JRE MMA Show #154 with Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo

Okay, I'm ready when you are. Matt's already on a roll. We gotta get it going. I feel like we missed it already. Yeah, we missed the joy that it's Matt Serra We need a name for this order of Unruly gentleman we need a we need a name for us Matt I want to think about it. This is Matt's first zin by the way Six milligram. That's all that's a heavy dose, but I'm not a I'm a caffeine guy I love caffeine lot like caffeine but like even more really yeah Yeah, I see that seven eleven, I know Tucker Carlson takes. He loves him. And he got so excited that I had one, he's like, why don't you have them too? But it's not a dip though. No, it's just a little pouch. It's not actual tobacco. It's just the nicotine chemical. Nicotine chemical. Nicotine is a chemical is neuro protective it shows there's been studies that have done that it shows some sort of a connection with Helping ward off Alzheimer's I believe final fast true. I might have made that I want to make that up You say it's just as weird as strong. Yeah, yeah nicotine as a A chemical is not bad for you. What's bad for is the delivery system of Chemical is not bad for you. What's bad for you is the delivery system of Particularly cigarettes if you buy like cigarettes with chemicals in them. So there's like there's those They have shit in them too Paper in the tobacco Of course there's cigarettes. No, but I think it's definitely a lot more than a paper and a tobacco. Yeah, I don't think it is. Oh, those liars. Okay, nicotine for Alzheimer's disease. There's no evidence from randomized controlled trials to support the use of nicotines that treat in for Alzheimer's disease. So what was the thing that wasn't there something about a connection between the way nicotine works [2:02] and some sort of, there's something I read. My thing is, if I thought, could I go back to that please, Jamie? Okay. We just say, it says, while nicotine itself doesn't cause dementia, the act of smoking cigarettes may be linked to an increased risk of developing dementia as you age. The harmful substances and cigarettes smoking lead to inflammation, factors linked to the onset of Alzheimer's disease. I know that nicotine is a medication that you sometimes for heart patients. So find out what that is. Fuck that is. The thing is, the cigarette as your dilator. Do you ever see that movie with Russell Crowe, the insider? Yes, I think so. About the due to works for the cigarette companies. He's a chemist and he's talking to all the shit they throw in the cigarettes to make them super hyper addictive. Oh, it sounds actually not so it's actually not the nicotine that makes it addictive Well nicotine is addictive as well, right nicotine is addictive as well They just super juice it up according to this movie before you get the addicted to these things Scratch [3:03] If I start it in a minute. If I'm in every day, what is this called again? Zin. If I'm in every day zin guy, am I gonna, if I stop it, am I gonna be like, no, I stopped it the other day for two days. I said, I wanna see what it's like. And nothing. Well, did you wait three days? What about for the day? It's gonna be interesting. I'm gonna get an inch. I Can't you know itch. No, I would think you would have got it earlier. I would it later. I would I like them Are you an everyday dinner? Yeah, not every day. I take days off But the thing is like I don't know if that's my Biology like I don't I don't I can just do things and stop doing them. I can't Fucking cocaine I haven't either I had I had these these two pizza ribeurs and one of them just last week had to get a new spine and now he's on a ventilator. I don't want to get emotional. But anyway, I think he might be dead by now, but it's very depressing. [4:02] But anyway, I was 17 years old, and I used to deliver pieces for these guys, Nikki and Louis, and they were too, they were funny. They remind me a little bit of a Joey D-ass, they were just smoking cigarettes, they were very funny, but they told me they go, if you try it once, they used to have a cocaine problem, but they cleaned up, and he goes, man, you try it once, and you fucked. And I wait. Sold and I'm scared. I'm not fucking scared, you know? So, and I do that and I've been in situations. Obviously, you know what I mean? We all have like where it's like, talking about pure pressure, man. I don't know what I was like, I was like, you know, and it's like, you gotta be that guy, you gotta be like, I got real lucky when I was growing up that I had friends that liked it, that were good friends that told me to never do it. And then I also had a friend who's cousin sold it. And when he sold it, he went from being this regular dude to being like a vampire. And he just stayed in the ad, he had an adic apartment with his girlfriend, and they just did coke and watch movies and sold coke. And he lost a ton of weight. [5:01] He started getting real like gaunt and skinny looking and I was like, yo, it's like they got bit by a vampire. Yeah, they like they got bit by a vampire. It's like you're not the same person again. Now your whole mission in life is getting coke. Yeah, that's not a good place. That's not a good place. Everything else is out the window. All that success and love and family and friendship and dinners with friends. A fuck all that. You gotta get Coke. Yeah, that's not, that's not the way. You're just crazy, you just throw it in your mouth like that. You're just, I just take it with you and my cheek and my gum. That's it. I mean, but you know what else I found that I really like is these, I don't know, this is, I should kind of not be talking about this because these motherf took the name that we use for our new tropics, which is not for me. But it's a, these are like a new tropic pouch. So this doesn't have any nicotine in it. There's a bunch of new tropics, which I really, I really like new tropics. Now, maybe they didn't steal our name, but it's kind of close. Alphabane contains the same. I think that all the time. Alphabane was one of the first, The first one that I ever found out was Neuro1. Remember that guy, Romanowski? Yeah, Romanowski. Yeah, Romanowski, who's a football player, [6:06] obviously got a lot of head impacts and he's having problems with his memory. So he divides the supplement. It's really good. That was the first one I ever found out about. And I'm sorry, what did you say is in that again? This one, it's got a bunch of different, neutral picks. Now, not for the people at home, not me. Exactly. What exactly is that neutral pick? It's the building block for human neurochemistry. So it's things like acetylcholine. There's a bunch of different ones. If you can like, let's show the ingredients for alpha brain if you could. There's a bunch of different things that have been shown to increase cognitive performance. So we actually did randomized controlled trials at the Boston Center for Memory for Alpha Brain, who we sponsored two of them. And it showed an increase in verbal memory, your ability to retain words, which I really find. Like every time I do a UFC, I take Alpha Brain. [7:00] Oh, wait. Helps my memory. Yes. I'm talking about fights from and you're bringing up zingers. Yeah, you're bringing up zingers. If anybody forgot about, I'm like, I got to get some beats. Yeah, and for you, you know? But it does help. Okay, so alpha GPC, her per se of vitamin B6, theanine is a really good one. Two theanine is also in another thing I really like, which is neuro gum. Not sponsored. I use that. Yep, I have these right here, neuro mitments. I like these. Not a sponsor, just good product. Vitamin B is obviously good for you. So all these things, what is shown is, if you take these things, it's just like, we know that there's certain nutrients that your body needs. We know we need vitamin D. And if you're not getting it from the sun, you can supplement it. There's a bunch of different things you can supplement, but you can supplement the things that your brain needs to work at the best level. Speaking of men, it's too amount of supplements I take you would go. Oh, I would love it. I would love it in the sun. I know you threw up. Morning stuff, man. Nice stuff. It was one dude in this room, but I would come to you. Who's got the supplement? [8:06] You know, you know what I'm going to do. It's John Rollo knows about some stuff. What is that? Oh my lord. Jocco, mole, cause some shit. What do you want? What's that? What kind of pussy? You just got an origin shirt. I do have some jockeysos mullk at the house? Oh bro, I buy that shit by the case. Have you tried five, have the new one? Have you tried marbles? Yeah, Marbles to stay. The steak shake, that's great. That's what I've been thinking. But what I like about the jacquos is they're already made. I'm lazy. I got around the door. So you're getting two of make them? I get to powder and the main reason too is because I like to put it in my oatmeal too. So I'll mix it up like that. Well I'm not a goat so I don't be eating. No, me a pig. Like a fucking goat. I'm eating bigger than eggs. What are you eating? I'm fucking back home. I'm not doing gluten-free now. Isn't it funny that Pugh you see oatmeal if they were starving. Those are people that were like poor people, they were just starving to death working in the fields. [9:07] And now we're like, oh yeah, granola. But we'll be like eat some bacon, you fucking idiot. Get some eggs and just eat a dozen eggs and some bacon. You feel like, I hope you don't think I'm much, many meals. No, I'm not. You want to buy grapes from coffee? Get in there, what's for you? I seen a, since the last time we spoke, we, remember last time we were talking about my ass, nothing in the fucking, whatever, whatever, I just like, don't remember when we took the flight. I was like, I'm in the first ship home. So I'm a refresher. I don't want to leave everybody on a cliffh her. The last we spoke, I was supposed to take a shit in a box to go to the lab, right? And I had a, I had a, it was, I don't know what it was. I, I, I just didn't never did it. And then I finally was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm doing it. And then I changed insurance. So I had to get a different doctor. So I had to, anyway, I seen a holistic doctor right so I'm gonna I ended up doing it like a witch doctor [10:06] Dude now listen, I was a little nervous too Listen I'm gonna find out if I keep rolling it's uh it might she is From Huntington right now somebody recommended him. I know what you thinking. I was thinking the same thing It's gonna be um Do you have any sweetness? We don't know I'm a with me pre-Madonna No, I don't want to be that guy Jamie sit there please. We gotta go. What do you want? Let's blend uh, yeah, Splendor stevia I don't want to be that guy's blender Me Yeah, so when I sit down there stevia First of all it's hard to get a I don't know that I mean. So when I sit down, they're stevia. Yeah. Listen, first of all, it's hard to get a, it's hard to get an appointment with a lot of these fucking doctors, you know. Especially the holistic. Well, that was it is. For some, that's ceremonies. No, my wife, [11:01] my wife's started by trying to put these doctors and couldn't get it. So then somebody recommended this guy. All right, so I was expected, you know, fucking half a hippie, sip and weak grass. I didn't know what to expect. It was a guy, he looked like John Rallow, 59. Strong guy. Nice guy. He was telling me that, you know, a lot of these, they just want to put you on meds they don't look at what caused the problem or they just want to treat they want to treat the problem they don't want he's like I want to turn back time which and shit like that I don't know. Listen nice guy like a share song like a shit. She was pretty she was pretty but she had no ass. Hey man she should have to have an aspect. I know she snuck in under the wire. Yeah, she's still kind of hot smash Back in the day she was gorgeous. I'm not about that. She looks pretty good today. That's what I'm saying I'm really right now the sunny animal the sunny and she had it [12:00] The sunny and she now she was hot That's wild that he went on what did he became a senator? Right? I think it was the mayor of his like whatever city he loved it. Well, Clint Eastwood became the mayor of Carmel, California. I think Sonny Bono was like a senator. Why is he? Wasn't he, Jimmy? Was he a congressman? I'm here we got in politics. Everything's a show. But like heavy duty into politics and then he died skiing. No, I'm going to run into a tree. And that's a motherfucker. Yeah. How can he die too though? Yeah, one of the Kennedys died anyway in a like real close proximity to a judge. I love skiing. 16th mayor of Palm Springs, California from 80 to 92 and served as a US representative for California's 44th district from from 1995 till his death in 1998. Well, he was both. He was the moral too. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. That's pretty crazy. How much is a Republican? I got you, babe. The hippie movement with the fucking bell. I know. My thing is this from Ronald Reagan, the sonny bone on, do people [13:02] like the policies or they just like in the fucking guy? I was just watching Idiocracy the other day. Oh my god. That is the same. Dude, shut the hell up. Oh, hold on. That's fucking great. That's so good. He's like, what's up? You like the white tear proofs? He's saying that council, he's like, yeah, my first wife was taunted. She's a pilot now. You're fucking... No, that movie is fucking great. He's a great movie, man. It's not exactly politically correct, but it's fucking good. It's not at all, but it holds up. You almost couldn't make it. You can't make any of these tropic thunder. He's a tropic thunder would be impossible today. I gotta watch that again. I Today I haven't watched that need Great movie. That's a great movie great movie That's a great movie and Robert Downey Jr Not only was he in blackface, but he was in yellow face memory came out talking to them about catching Jack black and the rice paddies and shit [14:06] Asian people take it better than anybody. You know I know emojis I know and no no one is If like there was like a there was like legit Asian hate though after COVID came out. There was a lot of like really dumb people that were just running up to Asian people, hit them. Yeah. Not I see that a lot. Especially in New York, a lot of some ways. Crazy. That's crazy. That's where they need people. But that's real. Yeah, that was like violent. That's right. That wasn't just talking. That wasn't just like yellow face. Yeah. But yellow, you can get away with yellow face. Nobody fucking this shit. You can dress up like a bumblebee. Nobody a freak out. Like when they got that kid, there was a kid who turned out [15:01] to actually be Native American who had half of this chief's gay. So brilliant. What he had half of it, he had literally put on like war paint of I think of the tribe that he's from. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I think it's from the tribe that he's from. And he was one of those websites tried to label it as a fan, a racist fan and black. So the only show this side of his face where it was dark and the other side of his face was white which was like this war paint oh no and the kid totally be shit Indian oh no so they like they got the double they were wrong twice you know what people are just so quick to jump the gun I'm sick of this woke shit and let me tell you, let me tell you loud and clear, I am sick of what they did the fucking Star Wars. They could be shittled over. They could be shittled over. They could be dreadful, they'd be dreadful. I love everybody. I love everybody and I'm a, I'm a, I have three daughters. [16:01] I love strong like female characters. Vazquez from fucking aliens. Oh yeah. Oh, she was bad. She was a body weaver. Yeah, alien leader. How about him? I'll go with him. I'm going to have to terminate her. No, there's nothing. How about this? There's nothing wrong with making everybody bad ass. Now, I'm nice and the wrong guys. You guys see a Soca? I did. What's a Soca? It's a... It's a... My brother James. It's a Disney plus show. It's about a Jedi. There she is. Yeah, well Rose Aurodosa. Yeah, she's hot. Now, it's a... Not to get too geeky on you, but listen. That's too late for that. Yeah. I got to listen. I got I got to go. It's the deal with the Soca. It's not it's based basically off of another show, which was an animated show, not to get too nerdy on you. And first of all, before you pick on me, George [17:02] St. Pierre watches these same fucking shows shows I talked to George about this and he geeked the fuck I go George. How do we have a fight? He's like he's telling he's he knows more than me about all this shit. He reads the books But anyway, this shows a cool show this show on rebels, right? And it's about this young Jedi um Ezra Ezra right so now they're doing a lot guys. I try to stay with me for two seconds So now the live action comes out right and asra at the end of the series asra fights this guy thrones he goes to another dimension and he leaves a fucking hero and now he's in it now he's the next appearance is him live action in this series years later right they make him the biggest cook in the universe, right? This guy was a fucking Jedi badass in the cartoon. They have a couple instances, right? They get they find them. They're on the planet. His friend finds them. I forgot her name, but she gives them a fucking she's like a Mandalorian. She gives it. Yeah, his lightsaber. Do [18:03] you a thing? Now look, they can't make him look too cool because he's a dude they go eight He goes listen. I don't need the lightsaber the forces my weapon. It's already Boo right there big boo really The lights up this this surrounded right now. So he's he's like doing some fucking hippie shit. It's whatever Next this is this is this got to me now you're relating you relate to this I'm with you now there you have two of these he's been on this planet. They find them on they have two of these horses these alien horses It's a soka the Mandalorian chick and Ezra So the three of them riding on a motorcycle when there's two guys riding now the guy in the back is called riding bitch. Who's riding bitch Ezra? Now is that just because you know it just happens to be no it's like that on purpose. I get it. Am I going to go with it? I'm going to go with it. I'm going to go with it. [19:00] I'm going to go with it. I'm going to go with it. I'm going to go with it. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. I'm not going to blame it on the Zeta. Shit He was banging I was saying I was like I can't defend Okay, maybe John Wick on the back of a motorcycle killing people while his girl drives John Wick's a pussy [20:00] You know, he can't very politely cannot be a cock. There's a big there's a big But this guy was bit but the guy that he's talking about surely was I mean I didn't even think it was a badass in the show Anybody was a badass in the car too. Yeah, so it's like But it's all with who who wrote it though Like it's not really Star Wars. It's just this new thing that's used in Star Wars. The Star Wars universe in Star Wars is Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. And that's it. Right. Right. No, but it's C3PO. Everything else you just steal in my money. The days are much more like listen, right now Han Solo would be toxic. Han Solo was the fucking B.I.M.P. Han Solo was about to go with the fucking carbonite as a kid watching this as a kid. Oh, it's emotional. He's getting lowered into the fucking carbonite. You don't know if he's gonna survive this thing. Should we sit there upset? Fucking Lando was being a bit of a, you know, we're unsure about Lando. [21:01] And Lando. I love Lando. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I love Lando. He's a badass, but Lando goes to him. I love you. What the fuck does he say back? Watches. What does he say back? Could you play it or not? Watches. He says I know. Right? Spoilers, Rogan. Watches. Watches. Watch watch this look at that first of all yet Yes, that's my fucking Star Wars he doesn't know if he's gonna live He doesn't he does love he does He's the fucking man. Yeah, I love him so well. What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? Hey, answer my answer. Take notes. Matt Serra, a former UFC well-to-weight champion is also a nerd. Oh, I hate the biggest nerd I know. Full on 100%. Full on nerd. [22:01] Can I thank you now because listen this show doesn't come without perks listen I was on e geeking about about the VR this time so also didn't I love that pop one I still do I was just playing it before I got you Another guy got attacked me from caveman studios this guy lawn equals look I love how it was the ass to qaw try this game in in a beta testing so So it's not even out yet. Come out and then the month contract is showdown. Fucking money. I don't play anything but pop one. Am I getting off the subject? We still got MMA. Right? We're talking about MMA. We got the MMA. We got the MMA. Yeah, right? Listen, holy shit. It's like war zone. It's like, Call of it's like, Kholodudi warzone, I love the battle royale format where it's like a squad and then everybody gets brought and together and you gotta take each other out. That's cool. Let's pop one. Technically it's Fortnite, not to sound like a nerd. This shit, contract the showdown. Fucking nerd gasm, I love it. [23:01] It's so much fun. It is worth it. Guys, are you parachuting here. No, it's a deal. You parachute out. You pick it. You know, when you go, you loot up, right? You get money. You get shans. Hands with the fuck. Well, you see, yeah, he must have some damage. He had to heal up a little bit. So then you get going. So you get going. You got money. Yeah, you And then you're like look not I don't know about that nerd But look look we're here now look all right now that you see the perimeter dude Everybody gets brought in you get scopes you put it on you get money you could buy stuff put it on and you're taking these guys out You're sniping them and this is all in virtual reality. It's fucking cool dude You should get a new job reviewing VR games. That's not a bad idea actually magic It's so much. Imagine if you're watching him review a game That's actually a great idea. He wouldn't do it though, but oh my god You know, yeah, just video and playing I just get over the game just get some No one to film him. I don't want to do it but get someone to do it. That's a fun game. You should get the U.S. Need to do that. Get the you do you still do the thing with Jimmy? Yeah, man. Okay Jimmy and Jimmy twice a week. I know why I'm actually unfiltered [24:13] Why don't you get the UFC to do to just film you doing that too as well Dana you listen in mother You listening mother, right? That's a great idea. That's a great idea. Yeah, dude, it's a no miss. You'd be fucking awesome at that. You really love these things. Your character. I mean, look at how enthusiastic he is about it anyway. Yeah, you should 100%. You don't have to be reviewing games. It's so funny, because that could be very sad normally when you're 50 year olds fucking. I'm gonna be 50 this year. It's like, that's the most obvious they did a thing called my dad is a gamer and it had me on air for like a minute. My daughter's watched my daughter on it. But I love that shit. It's fun. It's harmless. It's fun. It's like, I've known you've been on it. Yeah, that's right. It's harmless if you can control it. But they're so fun, you'll wind up wasting your whole life. Well that's one of the games. My thing is, it's like getting everything's about balance, [25:07] like passing the guard, you know? Like I feel like I deserve it at the end of the day. If I go, I do a 7 a.m. class, I fucking do my podcast, I go back, I'm rolling with my wife, I had a full day, you know what? I deserve two hours, not an hour. Two hours on nine hours. A couple of games, three hours. Yeah, no, you definitely do, but you're a disciplined man. Well, it's fun, but you're a disciplined man. Most people don't have any type of discipline. Yeah, you're a, but you're an accomplished martial artist. You're, you run a business. You have a family. You're, you're a disciplined man. If you're just a fucking dorky kid. yeah You know who just has a job You just can't have a job otherwise And that's all you fucking do It's the same thing with the refur Like if you're a guy doing stuff every day And you're smoking that it could help you But if you're like in that commercial When hold on they blowin' the shit out the window Hey ma, I, the guys gonna call me back [26:00] I left the message for the job That's a problem. If I get older, you get a 30 years old, you're living at home, you're fucking, but you know, everything is how you use it. They're back to, what is that? The Star Wars mod for contractors. And the women always win. You know what I'm saying? You gotta be a woman character. There is contractors. What is it? He's gotta be a woman character because the woman always wins. Yeah. Contractors is a game that's all been out forever. I'm not really into it, but those contractors show down is coming out at the end of the month and it's fun. That's the Bada Royale version. I'm nerd. I catch my wife. My wife used to be talking about this online and she's like, you fucking have no idea. You know, she loves me me but it's fucking it could be a turn off I'm sure yeah you know what fucking is Oh, look at that. Look at that. Look at the abs. Fuck you, don't fuck that. Fuck you. [27:06] No, no, it's, I'm back to gluten free. Yeah. I think the Zin things make it me crazy. It's making you crazy. It's, it's hyping you up. All right. That's great. It's good. I'm not gonna give you another one when I had to eat last night, we went to the Brazilian joint. And I didn't eat since, because I got a clear act, because I got this, you know. So I woke up and I had the water and I had a double shot of espresso. And I don't wanna be, and I was a little downless night because I had too much of whatever, edible, okay? So I was a little like I hope I'm not like this tomorrow. So I had a five hour energy Yeah, and now I had that in the coffee so this is what you get it's on it's on oh I'm having fun you were talking about Mickey you were talking about coming up with a name for us. Yeah, we need a name Yeah, we need a we need a name a cool Star Wars name [28:03] Nerd guys Cool Star Wars name Nerd guys That's not bad cucks That's actually kind of funny. I was gonna say like the OGs, but that's too serious That's too serious cucks. Cucks might actually work. I like cucks might actually work. I like cooks. I like cooks. Cucks, you got to stop mad. Cucks, not bad. It's kind of ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. Yeah. You know, you want to be cooks? I kind of like, I don't want to be a cook. I think I'm kind of enjoying it. Yeah. Let's let placeholder it, put aside, put a book mark on it, come back to it later in the day. See how it's dealing an hour should we take a poll? What is your yeah, you don't want to let the people be involved. They're gonna hijack that shit I'm at Cox for sure. Yeah You're not being fair They would try to get us Johnny you had one first You like the four horsemen. Oh Jesus. That was a long time ago [29:03] I was I have a weird memory. I remember we shit that was it because I remember I remember from the furthest thing from a horsemen I'm not exactly a fucking the problem is you'll be on a stallion and me joby on like ponies and you know you're in a mini horse I'd be on a sturdy mule I'll be on a sturdy mule. I was watching a mule bite in a fucking hyena. Oh, poor man. They use them to bite wards and carry. You think the hyena or the fun? They're fucking me. They're smart mules. They'll use them to protect the herd and shit. Mules are so much smarter than horses. People like them when they travel through the mountains because a mule won't go anywhere where it's not safe. A mule will go, uh, uh, bitch. We're not doing better. Yeah, I'm no better. I'm not going over there. That edge is too steep. Well, we're falling. And so, horse is just like, or it's just go right off the dead man. They just listen you gotta not stand behind those motherfuckers though [30:08] Amulet either want horse kick you. Oh my gosh. I watched a horse kill another horse. No, yeah in a video online That's crazy spit it by cool. That's a donkey. Oh what I say you am you a mule is a cross What's the difference amulet a cross between a horse and a donkey and They're they're not viable. Yeah, but wouldn't you think that the hyena would fuck this thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah You would think so but it looks like that hyena's for contranquilized So because they're videotape in this Yeah, maybe it doesn't really they're playing I mean that doesn't seem very playful I mean that seems pretty violent on the on the donkeys part Why playing but he's not I don't know man. I don't think they play like that I Think it right now is I think it recognizes that's a predator and it wants it to fuck away from it Yeah, that's what I think it is man and that thing's trying to bite it like what is going on here? [31:02] It's it's a three and a half four minutes of some gay shit. I know right? This sniffing assholes. Maybe I'm friends. Maybe I'm not alone. Maybe they're friends. Maybe the hyena and the donkey will get along but probably not. They're flunked in predator and prey animals. Yeah. But if they kick you, so there's a video of these Beautiful horses man and they're in this corral and this one horse just starts kicking and he just kicks the other horse in the head And the head and it dies it's like that it dies right then and it dies like you got shot like Falls down leg stiff. Oh, yeah, all I do Stuck this time. I'm in the fucking bed. They're like an hour to clip in the middle of night All I do is watch those fucking animals on animals fucking Videos I mean the watch is like the world's thought about fights. I watch that more than regular fights I don't know because they're more fun. Yeah, I saw one today. I don't think we could play it [32:02] It's probably violates rules, But this dude is on the ground. And he's basically like fighting this guy's got a helmet on. Looks like there was some sort of a traffic altercation. And the guy who's on the ground has a dude, and he's like setting up a heal hook. And the guy's trying to attack him. And then the other guy comes over and punches him, and then they separate him. And when they separate them the dude is on the ground is like holding the guy like he's gonna set up a He'll hook pulls a gun out and shoots him in the dick. Oh my god. Yes, just like this boom Shoot him in the dick. Oh What the fuck bro? It's Absolutely Something you can't unsee. Yeah, but you never ask. Yeah, but you got to see this. It's so funny You gotta see because I had to watch it because it's it's a Instagram reel I had to watch it a couple of times to try to figure out what exactly was going on I always like to see what's it what's going on out there, you know, I always like to [33:04] No, no good good. It get a squad with some other shit Jamie Yeah, she's always on okay, I said it to you. Oh, that's okay. This is the horse watch this oh, no This horse it just This is the horse watch this oh no this horse. It just Yep dead look at his legs good lord it died look at his legs Wow yep bro you get hit by one of those you might as well get shot That's a hoof at the end of a shame You know what I did not I'll show the guy getting shot at the deck. Now, what a, do you ever try horse meat? You ever try horse meat? By the way, is it good? It tastes like wild game. I tried it in Montreal. This is amazing restaurant. Montreal called Joe Beef and me and Duncan and Ari ate there. And they served you, they had like a horse filet. They serve this horse filet. Oh wow [34:08] This is weird. You know you say he horse me Patrick. Oh, take man. Where is in the house? Yeah, we used to get a list of what we could put on there What we wanted and he put horse meat on his list and we like what the fuck? Everybody would fuck with it. Yeah, that's all those dudes up north in Canada You know, I almost don't want to see this Yeah, you do. Yeah, do watch this way. So this guy this got to be Brazil. I don't know But look see the other guy comes over kicks him They push him away and I watch this Keep an eye on the guy on the bottom He's got a gun. Yeah watch here Yeah watch here. [35:12] Come on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Alright, that's definitely Brazil Keep that shit between you and Tom sigora Oh, no, you got to wonder what other damage. Oh, that's it does it's over. Oh, the damage you got lost his dick Rally what do you know? He lost everything he lost a lot that bullet probably blew his hip apart To his organs you got a you got a really try to avoid everything and the everything everything what I always tell Dean Thomas the trouble maker I always got Dean Thomas the trouble maker. What day? I always gotta stop him fight that you Dean does mellow me out. Yeah, I gotta stop him every time we do a show. He gets it almost gets hit a fight We all first of all First of all that true but second of all We we did everything come out yet, but we did that fucking cold plunge on that fucking show [36:04] Let me ask you something about the degrees of that cuz I'm gonna about I'm thinking about Adding this into my routine the cold ones. I swear man cuz I thought my day would have steam I'm thinking about putting it a little a small one in my locker room upstairs in my thing, but It was fucking brutal is what it was when we did it. It was 32 degrees 34 Okay, I'm trying to make it yeah yeah yeah 33 minutes is that is that pussy shit no that's normal yeah that's what I do every day normal 34 three minutes every day that was fucking do I listen to my work but did you all right let me the next question is did you build up to that yes all right there we all right today's a day's a build up today third day I did 20 minutes stop no I did I filmed it at 34 to that. Yes. I want to say that we all right. Two days. Two days a bit of that. Third day I did 20 minutes. Stop. No, I did. I filmed it. I put it in a three four. At 34 degrees. Yeah, I want to see how long you go. That's pretty crazy. Well, definitely. Definitely. Oh, no, no. No, I'm sorry. Somebody is watching. We He was quiet and then once in a while you hear like a Gogans come out of him like I'm the handle is I [37:05] I I'm fucking I was gonna shut the fuck up. He wouldn't shut the fuck up I was thinking to myself like when he shut the fuck up. I can't concentrate I had to keep myself. I wanted to jump the fuck out and Dana was right there and Did he did it? He did it? He does it every day I'm pretty sure he told me he does it? He did it. Hell, he does it every day. He does it every day. I'm pretty sure he told me he does it at like 50 degrees. Yeah. What the fuck is that? Is it okay to do it at 50 degrees? Yeah, it's okay. Okay. Yeah, look, it's still cold. I'm just saying or why? I don't think it has the same amount of an effect probably, but I'm just guessing it might be the same thing if you do it like 50 degrees for like five minutes Maybe that's that's the same as like 34 degrees for three minutes or two minutes I don't know I don't know that I'll do that I kind of like I like the part where I don't want to do it and then I do it I like that. Yeah, you do it in the morning first thing like how do you do that in the morning like that's the last thing That I I wanna do when I wake up. Exactly, exactly. Exactly, that's why you do it. [38:06] You do it, it's easy, it's an easy win. So we're done. It's an easy win. It's an easy win. If all day you were thinking about, oh, I gotta do it, I gotta get it, get it done. It's also, you know you purposely didn't put it together yet. So just so I didn't have to do it. Just so I had to look at that moment. You're in the middle of something like a bitch. It's awesome. I think it's an easy thing to add to my morning routine because I have a nice routine as it is. I start like 7 a.m. I do that to class. I get up at five. I get that early I get my head straight and I get in the steam the nice steam after that So so I don't I you know I like getting my head straight, but I don't like smelling bad So I like to like after I'm just I'm in the I'm Zen mode man, and I'm caffeine dope now you're in Zen mode I see what you do [39:00] I like it into that shit I like like it. As long as I'm not fucking craving like marbles if I get off the shit, I'm like, I'm gonna fucking want nicotine. Am I or need it? Well, just don't get it. What? Don't get more of it. I'm saying if I stop this in, am I gonna want more of it? Well, I don't know how your body works, but a lot of people get addicted to it. Well, thanks, but turn to me on to it. Yeah, fucking crack It's good for you though. I think it's good for your brain. Then there you go. I'm on it. Yeah But I think you know, you got to be careful if you're one of those guys Well, I want I mean how many of them do you take a day? Yeah, talk to me Jamie look at me. I can teen prevents the formation I found one. Yeah, talk to me, Jamie. Look at me. Nicketyne prevents the formation in the test tube of protein clumps. Look, there it is. Okay, this is the thing. So, Nicketyne prevents the formation in the test tube of protein clumps linked to Alzheimer's disease, scientists announced at a press conference today. The finding may provide a useful starting point for developing drugs that delay or prevent [40:02] the disease. A research is a quick to caution, however, that harmful effects of smoking strengthened by our Portland Science last week, linked in a carcinogen by product of cigarette smoke to a specific kind of lung tumor. Far outweigh any possible benefit from nicotine and tobacco. So what they're saying is don't smoke. But the nicotine itself? Yeah, I think nicotine itself, nicotine definitely is a neutropic, right? Like if you can Google that so it's a substance that's been It's shown to enhance cognitive function. So one of the things that like Stephen King said when he stopped smoking He said that was one of the hardest things for his writing. He said like his synapses didn't fire is fast Oh, what does this say nic Nicotine's cognitive effects have gained significant attention in recent decades and some non-smokers have been started using nicotine gum or patches as a newtropic. Research has shown that nicotine can speed up reaction time, improve working memory, and enhance focus and attention. What? Dude, you got me? I know know Watch me in VR now. I'm gonna say take everybody play that's nice man [41:09] I might be interested right interesting. Yeah, man as long as it's I think I'm interested with the alpha brain That's great. Yeah, I'm interested in anything that gives you like a positive effect We're also what about dick pills Anything that has a positive effect on your life. You know, it's fun to party. Yeah, I actually take the alpha brain all the time. Then I ran out and forgot. Oh, we'll get you some. Yeah, we'll get you some. I'll get some sent to you. But like all those other ones are really good too. That neuro one shit, that stuff's great. You can put it in a protein shake, or you can just drink by itself, taste good. There's a bunch of them. How many of the zin things would you do a day? Like one? If it takes me a few days to go through one packet, I don't know how many zin a packet. So would you take more than one a day? Yeah, I'll take one, two, three a day, four a day if I feel like it. Yeah. [42:05] Okay, and you feel a difference. But yeah, but I do like to know that I could take days off. I'm gonna take days off, I'm like, how I feel? I feel fine. I do feel fine. I don't feel weird. Don't feel weird. Do you use it before like a podcast or before you feel like a show? Yeah, for smart people. I was happy when I saw that guy And he was telling me what I should cuz I got my So I took I tell you so I took the shit. Oh, yeah, they're sitting in the box. Yeah, stop that story After I saw the guy and he gave me the sample I got it listen I'm gonna knock this thing out it took me a while it was months before I did it But then I find real real quick does the shit in the box go to a doctor or to They come and pick it up and then they go to a lab and just for the doctor Why so he gets the results from it? We wanted to find out what's the definition of holistic. Is it the problem might be in just that people [43:07] have co-opted that term and used that term holistic for a bunch of hippie shit? But a holistic doctor. I'm telling you, holistic approach. He needs to be a holistic approach. What is the exact definition of holistic? Listen, and I can smell bullshit. When I met the guy, I'm like, again, I was expecting half a hippie. And he's okay. Characterized by the belief that the parts of something are interconnected and can be explained only by reference to the whole. Well, that's medical. Well, that's medical. Characterized is a treatment of the whole person taking into account mental and social factors rather than just the symptoms of an illness. Many people conclude that holistic medicines are beneficial. So the problem is not, it's the, like when I hear that word holistic, I think bullshit are. Yeah, I got it already, just hippies. But even but if you're talking about medicine, it totally makes sense. I agree. He was just, it's been co-opted. Right. It's a good word. We were doing a Zoom thing with me, him and my wife you know because he wanted to help that because you [44:06] know I'm like a bad kid I don't want to eat vegetables and I don't know what he's gonna tell me to eat and shit and I'm a I don't like eating bad you know I'm picky my eating right so I was afraid what he's gonna tell me so when he we went on there he was showing me all the stuff that uh well let me tell you I took the shit first so I was afraid to take the shit in the box. Joe was afraid to take it in the shit because you never know how it comes out and I was really like, I didn't know what to do it. So I went into my, you guys don't have to hear about it. You're right now, Mom. Yeah, so I go to my school. I like to keep stuff so much spicy with me my wife So I don't want to do that my house guy for dinner goes all over So I go to my my shower at my my my my school And I basically I did and I thank goodness It wasn't all over the place and I was doing a more like a standing like I was almost like a rodeo rider [45:01] So you catching it. Yeah, you know it really got to make sure your wrist stays parallel. Yeah, could you imagine if you get a little accidental devil. Yeah, I was in the shower time. No, you know, it's bad about it. It's after you take everything. Everything. There's nothing good about it. But I have to know what's going on. My gut. So, so after I took the shit, you gotta, it's almost like, and it's really ruined my love of Nutella because I used to always like the fucking little scoops with the, because you gotta think a little spoon in your shit and he goes, make sure you get different signs of it. There's a watery part of this. Oh, I'm not doing it. So, I'm in there and you got to do the dinner you got to put it in a little vibe and God You guys wanted to hear about So after that you take it you're shaking off and then you put it in an envelope and you ship it off So that was the story of that all right and then when they seemed like this stuff that was highlighted in the red the red zone like what is gonna [46:03] Be affecting my gut like I had There's like a parasite The fuck he was usually get this some day you have he was you have animals. I'm like no. I don't fucking have animals I don't know what the fuck but there was also was also like a big bacteria in there, you know? So the clear that bacteria, I'm drinking a shake, this thorn type shake, I don't, it's called thorn, but it's that, I'm on different supplements from, I don't eat vegetables, so there's these, I got these four green pillars on tape. I mean, it's got me on supplements and we'll see how it goes good. It's fresh It's only like a weekend because it took me forever to do that shit in the box Sorry, let you know how it works. I don't know how it is yet. Our fear was on legion of skanks This podcast they do so they they filmed it live in front of an audience and Rie had taken a shit in a tupperware And brought it on stage and who do you give it to Lewis Gomez? Oh, why who do you give it to big Jay? [47:08] Yeah, it was a birthday surprise. Oh No, no, it's fucking mine dude So no, he opens up the open of this Tupperware and the smell People start running out of the room. Good Lord. Is there a video with that? There's nothing worse than the smell of human shit. I don't know if that's true. Especially if it's someone else's. Again, right? Yeah. Mars is bad enough. Mine's bad enough. Yeah. Like when you take a horrific shit, it's bad enough. And then someone in your family there after you like I'm so sorry I'm sorry meanest but I'm gonna do it you my boy meanest yeah yeah we were in California we were hanging out we hit that one on them del tacos so the food is fucking alright he's got to take a shit he comes out at a fucking bathroom dry heaving his eyes water and from [48:02] his own shit And you know me it's too that amazed me Dina Valentino's love it, but that is hilarious your own shit is so bad you dry he's oh come on. Oh, no, I'm gonna go from the beginning go to the beginning I don't think you'll see it Oh Jesus Is that Mickey go proud? I'm gagging just looking at that Let's Mickey go right there. I think it is Mickey. I think it is Mickey. Dude. I legit almost threw up Did you see that Jamie? I? Legit almost threw up [49:00] I can't look at that. Get that off the screen. Yeah, I'm Not able to look away from it. I know right I can't look at that keep that off the screen I'm not even look away from it. I know right He's just It is funny though He's the best are he's the best he's such a psycho. He's crazy. He's still training He's training some job. He fucked his knee up Fuck does knee up then think what he trained for a little bit. Got a brand new knee everybody's tapping out now They got the fucking these You're still rolling even with the new knee. I am I am but I am a little more choosy what my you know picking up my body Does it have the same stability? I lost you for say what's that does it have the same stability like what is it like the problem is I was rolling What my buddies a my black belt a and I'd always meet up with him because we have nice training sessions and it's not I don't think it's my knee as much nobody told you I tore my quad the rehab. Like I was stepping down too high and I tore that shit. [50:06] So it's a little of the form. And I was but I went the butterfly sweep him. And when I went the butterfly sweep him, something popped on the outside. Like if I show you my leg, it's a little something on that knee and it, I don't know what I strained or haven't rolled super hard since, and that was over a month ago. Do you do any of that like, knees over toes stuff? I heard about that, man, I've seen guys do it. And it seems like it would work as a result. It does work. Yeah, it does work a lot. Knees over, there's a guy, knees over toes guy on Instagram. And this dude had gone through a bunch of knee surgeries and, you know, like real problems and realized that part of the problem was it wasn't strengthening all the stabilizing muscles all in and around his knee. With like tibia raises and with those step downs and walking backwards on a treadmill and then you're like to. [51:00] Yeah, and Nordic curls when you're lying on your chest and you bring your body up with only with your legs. That's right. That's right. I do those every day. I do those too on a slantboard. Yeah, I have a slantboard. I do. But those Nordic curls are so fucking hard to do. When you first do it, you're like, oh my god, this is crazy. This is super hard to do. So the whole idea all the muscles that stabilize the knee and most people are just using the leg and they're hoping that all that work gets done. But if you really want to make your legs really strong where the knees are really stable. You really want to do things that stabilize that. You think about how much of a knee injury puts you out. Every elite athlete should be doing this kind of shit. Like I had pretty bad patella tendonitis in my left knee and it's helped pretty much eliminated. Yeah it's pretty impressive stuff and this guy gives it all away for free because his philosophy was look if I was an 11 year old that had a knee injury I would want this available to me and so he's a fucking awesome guy. He's been on [52:00] the podcast for. Oh yeah yeah. I got to start going on shit. But his stuff is rock solid, man. I mean, my knees feel so much better if I'm doing that. Yeah. Split squats, slant board, body weight squats. I do 100 of those every day. I do the Nordic curls. I do all that shit. That's where I gotta get one of that slant board and step off and punch your heel to the floor too. That's great. I gotta be more disciplined than that. And that you use the sled, the backwards, walking backwards with the sled. I do it for like 10 minutes. I'm gonna throw a couple plates on it. Yeah. You're back and forth, back and forth. So that worked because I got no miniscuits in my left knee. So, and I just always feel the bone grinding. We were talking about the cadaver miniscus. They do do that now. He looked at any like gel one or sin visc two. Like sometimes you can get a shot that'll help with some of that. It only lasts four to six months, but it's better to have your knee grind. I got one of those once and it didn't really seem to help. Didn't help you? No. Yeah, mine, I mean mine I liked and then I got the stem cells and but I've talked to people that had no [53:06] Miniscus at all and they got one of those things though It was like my knee was brand new again from my I had a guy He's firefighter my buddy Carl His knee was jacked and he's one it was getting he's the one to told me about the gel one and all and he was doing it And it allowed him to come back and train and everything and eventually insurance wouldn't pay for the shot, but they would pay for his knee replacement. And it's so crazy. Instead of a $15 shot, don't pay 50 Gs. It's such a joke, yeah. The thing with those knees though, me and you last night, I'm not doing that, you know, my new knee. Walk around town, I'm not doing that. I'd go to a, drop a cannon for a fight and I'd be at my body and we have to stop every, how many feet are there? I'm like, yeah, we got a chill. I'm like, dude, he's like, dude, it's time. I couldn't walk. So now, I could, you know, I'm back. That's why I'm not getting the other one done for until I have to. My problem was that any time I would inj enough time and I'd be like it's good enough You know and then it would get aggravated again. It's like god damn it now. It's chronic [54:10] See I don't like to do all those exercises and shit. I think I'm scored from all the only way I Long ago as an old school Shia so long ago's the best I love very long school shithead so much. Long goes the best. I love right long. You too, one of my favorite guys. You too, one of my favorite guys. The greatest reality show I've got. You're a good one. I love long. I love long. What about UFC producer? Yeah, there's another one. You too. Pitch and Munchers. I imagine that. Long goes one of a kind, long. Long goes one He never had a contract with anybody just always is there helping people for the right reasons not just to get his face in there Now with these he's just a grunt your fucking horse out there. He's just a real man Man, he's not fucking love that guy, but I love the two you together. You guys were in the corner It's not a matter like it's amazing It's not water in every way like that one. It's so fun [55:02] It's also like rock solid information He knows that we keep it very simple, you know. And it's just crazy nowadays. It's a little it's a little weird now like with the whole team, man. Like, you know, times change and stuff. But like everybody's out in Vegas now. The whole team's like, I mean, everybody's doing well. So we're all happy for everybody. But like Vegas is very tempting for young fighters, and I don't blame them. Well, the facility really, I think, is gonna pull people out. The P.O. The P.I. All your food is taken care of, and you have the most fisticated training environment available on Earth. And if there's something better, they're gonna get it. Whatever the fight is. And they said, I mean, it's a beautiful thing. I think it's fantastic. The only thing I think it sucks for is that you have these guys who are coming up, you know, with their people at home, then they get to where they're at the UFC. They get to the PI, which is awesome. And then some school in Vegas is claiming, you know, yeah. And I'm there. No slam on the team or nothing, you know, like Nick's great coach [56:05] But if I got a guy who's out here and he's been with you for you know, yeah I think you can't take credit for that guy Yeah, I think you know in a perfect world either he just is there yeah, and you know But I think in a perfect world they collaborate and then they're both there that I think in a perfect world That's how you know that's how you do it, right? I mean, that's what Greg Jackson and for us, the hobby and all those guys did when they were traded fighters back and forth and they all trained together. That's the way to do it. But you never leave your original team if they're good. If it works out and you have a relationship with them, you figure it out together. Unless you're trapped in a too small of an environment and your coach is just not able to fit the needs of like, you know there's some guys that are just super talented but they start out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, for sure. And you know they don't have a real good gym. The guy doesn't really know the PIs. The high level shit. Like I think that's sick. The best thing ever for the fighters. It's Fighters yeah, I'm in Vegas all the time and I'm working with all kind of fighters And I would never ask anybody to leave their team in fact. I'm like listen [57:07] I'll give you any information you want beautiful, but you can't leave your team You don't say like I'm not taking you. I don't want you good beautiful. I mean, I mean Taxes they save money with taxes out there. It's a it's a very it's very desirable But it also creates a conflict where the conflict is not necessary, right? It's because it's like, he's for sure getting new information, guys getting new information from Nick's, getting new information from training with everybody. He's your, you're on a path, but you're on a path with the people that you started the path. Right, yeah. And even if you're in this new place, like this is, maybe you're enhancing your education, you're getting better at fighting, you're still, those are your people. And you want what you want, what's best for them if you really care for them. But at the same time, like, what did you sign up for? What I sign up for? Like I'm not gonna be in a corner with somebody and I could like them. But, you know, me and Longo, what we did is with me and Longo some local kids at this time [58:02] when it's like I, ow was from Wantoor, Wyman's from Baldwin, that there are local kids who's fighting these songs taking out the best of Brazil. This ones were going to Australia. I was fucking up this guy in London. This was this is what I'm apart of. Me and Lago taking all guy to the flagpole. And then who's with us? Aljo or Al is our third guy. I'm not beat I didn't sign on for anything else like in other words I want to make these guys the best they can but once it gets to a certain degree now where it's like All right, man. This guy's gonna be in the corner and this All right, well now that you guys are calling the shots You don't need me no more because I'm not gonna be fucking in it. Okay, is it my turn to take the towel in? Who wants to go in this time? Nick's sick, John Wood, who wants to, and I love those guys, they're good guys. I like them, they're good. I'm friendly with them, but I'm not a part of that. Like I don't, and I want the best for my fucking guys. I love those guys. That fucking, Marab is gonna be the next champ. Fucking Marab is the best. Marab's a beast. I love it. He was carrying Henry so who don't come on tongue out. Oh [59:14] And he went like a savage moment with a savage but walking over to Mark Zuckerberg holding Henry Two division world champion Look at that. That's insane. Marab the thing is what Marab he said've never seen in all my years, I've never seen a gas tank like that. I never had. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's incredible because it's not like he's slow. I generally associate really high level endurance with guys that maybe don't have the kind of power he has. But he's also, he's durable. If you watch this fight with Marlon Maron Yeah, not only did he get dropped it was almost about to get stopped But then it was almost by the end of the round not only did he recover Shit out of my like just beating it almost ended in the other way. Yeah, I might have won back that round I never see I'm like holy fuck. He's an animal. I'll tell you his social media is getting funny [1:00:03] He's an animal. I'll tell you his social media is getting funny. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. And I'm happy that him and Aljo never fought. They never, you know what I mean? That's a beautiful thing. Did Aljo have to go up? Is he really struggling? Why did he decide to go up? Well, I think it's time. I think I, I mean, you'd have to ask him, but it wasn't a hard thing to get down to that weight. I'm sure I mean, he's done it. He's a pro. He's a good at that weight though. Yeah, but man, he could he could he'll strangle guys the size of Ralo. I've seen him. I'm sure he can, but I just I couldn't with calcator, but he always felt that he had like really good endurance for a guy who cuts that much weight and he can push a pace and his size and the grappling advantage, like when he strangled Cory Sanhagan, I was like, holy shit. That was impressive. Holy shit. But I think it's gonna be better now. So I've been working with him a little bit, just talking to him and got it comfortable. Yeah, he's healthier now. He's not concerned about his weight. And that was a big part for him at 35 is like half of his camp was just making weight. [1:01:06] And as, as he like puts it, do you think there should be more weight classes? I think so. I think they should have been back in fucking 2000. I was a fucking tweeter, man. 155 was fucking hard for me, man. But I was like golem on that fucking scale. But 170. I mean, imagine me now 170 would fucking MVPs and all these motherfuckers. Fuck it hard for me man, but I was like golem on that fucking scale, but 170 I'm I mean imagine me now 170 would fucking MVPs and all these motherfuckers And I first of all P make one Seven no idea what you think of his I like Listen that's what he that's what I always was saying to him Kevin Holland easily I was telling people those point fighters the guys who are elite at that skill of blitzing, that's what I always was saying to people. To handle Kevin Hollin easily. I was telling people those point fighters, the guys who are elite at that skill of blitzing in, that's a very specific skill and it's hard to handle. And if you're just used to guys moi tying you and then some guys doing that, it's wild. Wild to deal with. Oh, fuck it, dude, man, he hands me. No, when I trained to iron for Wonder Boy, we brought in karate people. We went to karate schools looking for the best karate guys. [1:02:08] Just to be able to deal with that aspect out of fight. I still think Wonder Boy won, so what do you think of that? I know, I know. Iron handled Wonder Boy better than anybody in Wonder Boy's prime. Right, right. I think he handled it better than anybody, because he just waited on him. He did a lot of waiting on them, but but he fucked him up like he rocked him. Yeah, yeah, yeah bad Yeah, yeah, and you know wonder boy was the guy thought to be the striker. I never really watch I saw some highlights of a Michael page Michael Venom page From Bella Tar, but I never really watch Yeah, I had no idea. I just don't know when they're honest. He's sensational. He is people was shitting on his his first is. I thought it was, I thought it was great. Listen, he fucked Kevin Holley. And his front fight in the U of C. First fight in the U of C, he jumped into the deep end of the pool with a real dangerous guy who's got one punch knockout power from his fucking back. I know. For that shit when he knocked down, he dropped away his back. Hey, it's crazy. First guy in there in that whoever fucking Kevin Holland Kevin Holland you understand like he [1:03:05] Kevin Holland's usually talking shit when it all losing you know he's on the bottom of the aisle like yeah you're stronger than I thought yeah he had him he had him you know a little fucking um perplexed yeah like I remember when I like to hear a lot of times when they go back to the corner dude he was mentally beat after the first round it really sounded like you can't hit that guy. And when you get close, he's so creative. Those spinning elbows he kept hitting him with. Oh, I know. He said, he said, he's fast. He's like, he's faster than we thought. And they go, you gotta cut him off. He goes, he's not there. Like, you know, it was different. It's a different thing. He's that ability to move in and out and his footwork is so sensational. It's like that is a different thing to do with. It's like wrestlers. If you're used to grappling on your knees only and then all of a sudden you have to wrestle. What's the big difference? It's kind of like that. These guys, they're ability to close distance [1:04:01] and that sideways stance. Machina has, you know, same style. The Wonder Boy did it the best. The best UFC. Yeah, Wonder Boy did so funny. The wild shit in the UFC. It's such a different style in my little Jimmy Bird. So he's like, I think he keep their hands down. I got you Jimmy, it's a fucking thing. I remember Wonder Boy and Jake Allenberger. Oh, that's the real kick. And this was like after Jake Allenberger had said he's not gonna hit me when in that fancy So yeah, oh no he left he goes I mean karate goes. That's cute something like that. Yeah, whoo And he got embarrassed I think wonder boy has the perfect con here's the perfect con. He's genuinely the nicest guy in the world He's handsome and wholesome and he's just a sweet sweet guy And so that's like a mask that a killer wears. And the killer wears that mask. That he's fucking piecing you up and you're like, oh no. What about the Jeff Neal fights? Like, so, but that's what he did with Jeff. What he did with Jeff Neal was he pretended to be his friend. Yeah, in the little cage. [1:05:01] You get real confused. Back up a little bit so you can see before it you get real confused with this dude and you get confused By the way he looks and how nice he talks Karate assassin. He's so good. The probably the greatest Karate fighter. It's ever fought in MMA. He's so good I mean, there's Raymond Daniels. He was another guy that was like an elite point fighting guy That's also a kickboxer that fought in glory Yeah, right man Daniels is good. Who's the guy has that 720 degree punch? Yeah, he's Spirits and all around as I was the guy with one punch. Yeah, it's the crazy thing you've ever seen if you You think a kick is coming and then he just goes what? What is he saw it in a movie? He's California guy or that's where his gym is I believe He's California guy or that's where is Jim is I believe Look at this season of oh he's so dangerous dude Raymond Daniels does watch this I mean come on son that is crazy. That's a crazy thing [1:06:05] And in Bellator he has one of the wildest knockouts. Excuse me not Bellator and glory and glory kickboxing He has this touch sidekick jump spinning back kick to the face KO in a high level kickboxing match man But the way he set it up watch this it's this is a thing of beauty watch this here boom man what What What the fuck is that damn show that again show that. Look at that dude, are you fucking kidding me? I don't even know, I think you kicked him in his neck and I'm not gonna make that. But he's fighting like he's fighting in karate combat. Yeah, that's shirt on. Bro, Raymond Daniels. You know, Raymond Daniels. Dude, Raymond Daniels, and Raymond Daniels in Michael Venom Page fought, I believe, back in the day and a point fighting match. So those guys that can cover distance like that, that's a different thing man. It's a different thing. I like that he's part of the UFC because there's so many nice matchups. At first I was liking maybe him versus one the boy, then I was thinking about it more. And I'm like, it might just, can't just be much karate combat. [1:07:00] It might just be that. But there's a lot of nice matchups and he didn't look like he had those UFC jedis, you know? Not at all, no, he looked like he was enjoying himself. Yeah, I was impressed. He's really dangerous, man. It's just, it's so tall and such a sniper and just that movement, good luck finding anybody emulate that shitting camp. You know who the guy, I mean, you gotta get Raymond Daniels. Also, if your whole life is spent fighting at a certain pace and a certain distance, and all of a sudden this guy moves it by 30%. Yeah. 30% is crazy. He's way back here. He's way back here in front of you. And he moves in a round. And you try to close the distance and it's just so fast. Say beat you to it. You remember when Leo to Machita knocked out Ryan Bader Ryan Bader trying to close the distance I'm not just planting a left hand on them. It's like whoa It was like that style is very hard to deal with if someone's really good at it and they can do the other shit too Yeah, I think they can do it. They can defend a take down [1:08:01] So interested in Jamal and Peta. Yeah, I'm so interested in Jamal Hill and Pena. Yeah, I'm so interested in that I know I am so interested in that fight. Is these think his Achilles is straight dude? I don't know I mean, I would assume it is otherwise he wouldn't be jumping back in I know it was more than eight months He that would say takes how many how many months ago did Jamal Hill injure his Achilles? He doesn't get I was there the game. He was playing too. They was all playing a basketball game So we something stupid. Yo, it's never jacuzzi. Oh, he was out he could hook though Jamal hook a play and he somehow you can also some bomb. Yeah Okay, so this was in July So August September October November December January February March 8th. I'd like to have right on the floor. I might have a little more. And I will know I'm sure I would assume he's had to be on the BPCs and the... No you can't. You can't even on injury. You can't. No, you can't. [1:09:00] So they can't even get permission to use them. No, you can do stem cells. They can do PRP You know, so it's so silly. You sure as a kill is injury fully healed ahead of UFC 300 It's not a problem at all. Hey man. I don't think he gets wrestling. I don't think he gets enough props first of all I think he's a fucking beast piece Dangerous watch the flavored Glover. Yeah, yeah, I would go over I watch the piece Glover up and Glover is fucking good. I know peace him up like that on the feed Taking away his singles real quick. Yeah people underestimate him for some strange reason. I don't understand it I've heard people talk about his power. Why's that Johnny Walker? I know the Johnny white forehead OSP fight He's good. He's fucking dangerous. Show me somebody that did something to him standing up. Because I'm not, I'm not finding what I'm saying. I'm not finding it. That's what I'm saying. I think Alex is gonna be so confident, you know, shit happens. But I think Alex is gonna be so confident because of all his kickboxing and everything else that with these little gloves, I think Jamal's gonna surprise him. He's gonna fucking shop shoot him. [1:10:05] Jamal's a one punch knockout striker at light heavyweight for sure, and he's a big tall dude, and he knows movement. He's fucking dangerous man. He's good at keeping his reign. Bro, he's fucking dangerous. Jamal's dangerous. I mean, I'm not even. Jamal's dangerous. I mean, a lot of people are picking Paheda to run him over, which I think is interesting. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. I'm only sure about that, man. Dude, I think this is gonna be a great fight. Oh yeah. The thing about Paheda though is he's ultra high level. Like people just think about only his power and you only think about like, because he's got the most insane touch of death. It's insane. He just sleeps people with everything. But when you see his movement and that sneaky shit he does where he gets that calf kickoff, you don't see, you don't even see it coming. You don't see shit man. You don't see shit. And when he checks his kicks, he doesn't check them. [1:11:02] He gets his foot like a hacky sack position. Yeah, yeah, he lifts his shin up So you just slide under it. You ain't getting shit and he's coming down with the right hand every time He's good man, but I just fucking good. I think the speed of Jamal Hill is gonna be the difference as long as he has it in that Achilles doesn't Ender him. Yeah, well god damn it would suck if he came in at 70% Yeah, he's not a hundred because he needs don't need to be a hundred because if they you know The thing is there's got to be a lot of pressure to be UFC 300 You know, and you might be I could do I could do it. You know, I don't know. I'm hoping it's a hundred percent I just hope they for sure got him some stem cells and I would imagine you know He's an elite UFC world championship caliber athlete. He's the world champ. He just really pushed his title. I mean, he's fighting for his title essentially, right? Because he didn't lose. Right. He gave it up. He got injured. When he did, I bet he only gave it up because Yuri gave it up. He did. I mean, it's basic what he said when he gave it up. It's kind of like,, in a way, I'm gonna get out of the way. I'm not gonna hold up. [1:12:05] And that's why I like them guys, because what other division would do that? What other guys, I don't think anybody else would do that? Well, those guys are warriors. That is a warrior division. Even Yuri who thought the fight was prematurely stopped, he wouldn't say it inside the octagon. Right, he Yeah, yeah, I like that. I said it could have continued. I hate when guys are bitching right afterwards or they saw talking about the injuries they had and everything. That one was a close one though. When you watch that one, you're like, oh, you could have one or two more seconds. I thought it was a close, but I thought it was a fair stop. Yes, I thought fair stop. It's two. Same doctor Aaron Rogers had. Oh, okay, okay, I went to the right guy. I bet Jamal got all the good stuff Yeah, well that's good then Hopefully you gonna need it. Yeah Aaron Rogers was he was practicing Quite a it was like quite a bit in already [1:13:01] He was there throwing and shit he said like his strength of the leg wasn't the same as ability to push off It wasn't the same, but you know, so it was getting a lot better I just don't want Jamal to be compromised in any way in that fight. It's such a big fight. Yeah, but like I said, man, his speed and his instincts and his vision, it's just different. And he's very, very good. And he's got that boxing punching set where he's straight where, you know, Paheda's a little loopier. Well, Paheda does fight with his hands way low too And he kind of like lures guys into these slug fest because he's got such insane counter power His one loss Jamal Hills from that fucking Trying from Paul Craig that can happen anybody Paul Craig has one of the most dangerous guards in any fucking division Yeah, I love period full style. No memory car uncle live one second ago Triangle how does he got wins over Jamal Hill and uncle live? Yes, his guard is sensational. His guard is what everybody's guards should strive to be exactly For sure, that's what I like I love and I still it'll never go out of style no matter what happens with your chits [1:14:04] Like you know like at my school. I've everybody doing the latest fucking leg lots of this and I put it'll never go out of style no matter what happens with your shit too like you know like at my school I've everybody doing the latest fucking leg lots of this and that but this is a horrible one because he broke his arm The old yeah this location is armist completely flopping around it's already broken by this point He's still trying to fight though. That's the fucking oh Jamal's an animal. Look at it. He's still not he's he's such a warrior dude They stopped the fight he wasn't quitting. He's such a warrior dude. They stopped the fight. He wasn't quitting. He's a beast. That his arm is fuck. He just looks at it. Yeah, it's Fuck. I remember what it looked like when it was gone backwards. It was for yeah. Yeah. It was horrific. I think he's winning the fight to be honest with you. I do and I like Alex. I think he's really I swear I think he's winning. He doesn't listen I think it's a very interesting fight. Real close on it. So It should be I think it's a pick and fight it's I can see a bunch of scenarios Going both ways I think people underestimate Jamal the thing is though Jamal does Stand with like more almost like a boxing stance sometimes I wonder how good he's gonna be I've get away from the calf kick that is such a primary weapon and behave as because he's so fucking sneaky with it [1:15:04] And even though everybody knows that he's sneaky with it, it's still hard to, you can't defend it. But the one thing about Jamal, he's smart though. Jamal is a very intelligent fighter. For a young guy, he's very cerebral and he, I think he understands that that might be a problem. So he should have an answer for it early. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You got to have an answer for that. You got an answer. He's got all these combinations that he sets up that are based on your reaction to certain movements. And he repeats these patterns and fights and it's always surprising. Yeah. He repeats, like the way he's able to land those things is so surprising. And he's just got this very specific strategy. I'm gonna kill that leg and then your fox and I hit really hard And you're not gonna be able to get out of the way. Did you ever get hit one of those calf kicks? No me neither I'm happy I didn't know I was out play it just play kick me and it hurts like hell I did I did before they were a thing and I think it was my fight against Josh near and [1:16:02] The same like the dude who would use a cap Yeah, but they wanted to think that I think it was an accident and he kicked me in a calf and I swear I thought my leg was broke. Wow. I was like I couldn't walk. I thought my leg was broke. Now imagine perheda. Yeah, yeah, I know. Imagine I don't know how to deal with it. He fucked up. YonBahovitch is shit shit. Yeah. I'm a hovers his literary made out of rocks. Yeah. That's what he's made out of rocks. I guarantee you if they do some bone density, he's got some fucking Viking rock bones. That dude hits so goddamn hard. Hey, but what about the BMF? I'm interested in that one. I am interested in that. You know why I'm interested in that because people account max out. I'm not not I think max might win max one of the people has had a lot of times to a lot of time to prepare Justin's a two thirty favorite I would not take that can I just say that they were that based on a lot of that shit on his fight versus Dustin poor yeah right if you hear [1:17:00] max walk about it you hear max talk about it he had only six weeks to prepare for that thing. And he was doing this for like 10 or so weeks. And I don't know, Max is an intelligent guy. I was there. We were there live when he fought Calvin Cater. And he's looking away. I'm the best boxer. And he's fucking is it? And you remember where Dana was like somebody to stop this. Dana was like scared for Calvin. He could have stopped. But he put a real beating on Calvin that it took, it takes a long time to recover from. I mean, the amount of punches that he landed on Calvin, we're in sync. My thing with the Dustin in Max Fight was, I thought Dustin just physically bullied him around the ring. Like he, the Dustin, there is a straight to fifty five to think that's gonna be a problem if that if my perceptions right then that would be a problem because i think just in stronger and more of a bully and his leg kicks which max never seems to check is uh... i think his leg kicks could present a problem that could be a real problem because he had a problem with that would [1:18:01] walk an off the end of the thing about gachi is gachi lands them in the clinch yet that's he can be standing like it's insane i know yeah his flexibility is insane it's insane this was a such a beating this was a beating that was wild man this is wild live because it was it was during the and covencator i mean he's a fucking dangerous dude. He's got real good boxing and he just couldn't touch Max I see a single for I don't know Told you old binky Jones tap cater back in a day. Yeah, I was his first loss. I'm binky Jones Yeah, one of my guys James binky Jones one of the reasons why I'm interested in this is because I think Max is gonna go into this fight with a tremendous amount of anticipation. This is not a fight that you don't get real scared about. This is a fight you gotta really fucking prepare. And when Max gets pushed, you see the best, he's still, what is he, 33? [1:19:01] He's one of my favorite. Yeah, Max is young. He's got always pride. He started his what 19. We really kind of put aside when a guy loses the title that maybe they're not as good as they used to be. But Max keeps getting better. Not to mention his nuts. I mean, let's think about when he was gonna fight a B but on 24 hours. Oh yeah, I was gonna notice one of my favorite fighters. That's not helpful. He's a beast and he's a sweetheart of a guy. Good guy. Yeah, right. Yeah, no doubt. Nice guys and he talked openly about like why guys like Connor, why those guys gas out guys like Aldo he was like, they got too much power man. Yeah. And he's like, that's how they got a power. Did you see Roadhouse? I did not see Roadhouse. I see Roadhouse I wanted to 10 how high were you? [1:20:01] Silly in a way like you know, it's not too serious in a sense, but But it's far I like Jake the Jake he's like Jake yeah Jake carried the movie and let me tell you Connor what an actor I mean they did his self yeah I'm like yo what an actor he's gonna take the world Hollywood by storm he's playing himself basically right because he play himself in a bunch of movies I guy rich. He's on speed dial Only have with a lot of one liner so it's easy to deliver one Conner McGregor could be a movie star If the rock can do it, you don't think Conner McGregor for sure he got the Percent he could do it and he's a character man He's a fucking character dude. I like the part in the movie when he takes the trolley And he throws it into the oh no that's a different He listen I like I like them in the movie though. He wasn't He didn't take you out of the movie. Yeah, I thought the moves, you know, well [1:21:02] Watch it. It's not a fun Nine it's not the original 110 I'll get to about nine. Yeah, get to about nine But if you like corny movies and just want to be entertained like it's the perfect The first room there was no Never Sam No, Sam, I didn't have a Sam That's true This should get that guy from Yellowstone that old dude with the the mustache Real cowboy yeah, that's a real cowboy no not rip Rip is dead to the other dude Sam Elliott yeah, he would be perfect I'm on the last season of Yellowstone Why didn't they just get fucking actual Sam Elliott? Yeah, he would be perfect. I'm on the last season of Yellowstone. Tell me man. Why didn't they just get the fucking actual Sam Elliott? I like yellow. Yeah, right? Yeah, I'm going back. Yeah, half Sam Elliott County Patrick's way he's dead, but have it Sam actual Sam Elliott come back. Come on me. Who's that handsome fellow back then with that salt and pepper hair? He's a real Marble man. For sure son. What a voice that guys guy [1:22:22] The baseball crew Listen we talked about Star Wars a little bit fuck Fuck Star Wars ever since, what's that chick? The main, the thing, Kenneth. Yeah, I love the South Park thing. Oh, no. Put a chicken in, make a game, leave. That's exactly what the fuck they're doing. Cartman hit the nail on the head. But fuck all that shit, the new, the new Star Wars, fuck all that and it's priest all was did you see Dune and Dune part two no You got it Joe Do you see it? I saw part one. I fell asleep. You fucking idiot. I couldn't help it. I'm so [1:23:02] These movies are so fucking good. Really? Okay, I'm excited. I'm telling you right now, Josh Brolin's first of all, I don't think from Gune's to that, he's never in anything bad. Josh Brolin, he's fucking awesome. He's a man. My mother was in it. I like to, you know, he's in Wanka, he's good. But these movies are so, they're like so good. The director, he's the French guy, he also did Blade Runner, the new Blade Runner, which is another very un-the-rated movie. These aren't un-the-rated, these are popular, but Blade Runner is un-the-rated, the new one. He's fucking awesome, man, this guy guy what's his name? Yeah, he's fucking phenomenal, but I do one and do in part two. He did arrival to do I'll tell you The arrival I yeah, but I think I forgot about it. I was the one with the alien Oh, yeah, I was good. Yeah, they had a great yeah, they speak with like, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, they like show him [1:24:04] It's fucking dope. I like that. June, the character is the fucking, it's so good. Yeah, I haven't seen the second one yet. It's so funny. In the first one, I don't wanna give it away, but the guy he fights at the end of it, it's a guy I had a Jiu-Jitsu match verse. This babs, I swear to God I Did I stop saying I get on him first up? Well that was your little that was your move Yeah, man if you put in Matt verse babbs you see me throw the fucking guy He's actually great in he's actually great in a in the movie. He's great. He's plays Jamis part of the Freeman The Freyman the Freyman's on a rakis and they understand it planets and this big giant arms Big giant arms. No, but it's a nerd. No, nerd, guys. Yeah. Joe, you look like when I say all this shit, you look at me like you want to unfriend me. It's a man. You look at me like this. He's standing up. I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated. There he is. This dude, he's good. I went for a seven-year-jiu-jitsu match, and Min Wow. It's um, Was that a nag? Yeah, it's nagger in 1996. Right. [1:25:06] Uh, if you put in a, if you put in Matt Verz Babs, you don't have to, I don't give a fuck, I'm not about me, but, but I don't got it. Don't get that C version. Get the H.G. Verz, watch your stuff. And don't show that, but But yeah, I mean you could for a little bit. Yeah, you forwarded a little bit photos after I mounted when he gets up This is back in the day. Yo, this is like a minotaur was the ref but uh, yeah, you could forward in a tiny after I mount them and I get off mount But uh, yeah, look at that. This is old school But uh once I get off mount and he's stay once he right now you can play right right after I missed the on bar But now this is this is for Paul traities. Sorry if you know if you see the movie ready and a Almost had an armor. I did almost have that but hands. Oh got happy for this because he worked on me with this fucking throw That's two points. Hey, what belt was this? This was when I was a brown belt and he was a purple watch one was second cuz I do a nice back take [1:26:02] Watch one was second because I do a nice back take This is our team versus the Alliance team back in a day and The same thing on go me, but it looks cool Cuz what happens is you go first and it's almost like a second late for him to go so it looks cool look. Hmm. I love that one. I love that one. I love that one. I'm not for me. I feel like I'm a brand new. I'm a brand new. That's a fun back to you. He's got me in Abu Dhabi. It's dramatic. But I see him at the end of the movie. It's also kind of humbling. Yeah. You feed up in the area. these movies man, they're really good, they got good characters, they're deep and the action is fucking good. I mean yeah. I believe you. It's good. Give it a chance. Even some of like. But I don't believe Timothy Shawlmae is beating this guy in anything other than checkers. Yeah. You know you see. I need to stop. You see? I need to see him. I need to see he needs to have some kind of super power. [1:27:03] Yeah. Okay. Is it a bomb not You see how he needs to have some kind of superpower And you know how in Star Wars like the force and all that stuff June by Frank Herbert stop looking at me John John Rosalind I want to throw you in a locker It's fucking not happening so listen so The books came out in the 70s and George Lucas got a, he took a lot from this. They use something called the voice that they control people instead of the force. But very cool. Josh Brolin for the win. I gotta be honest, I like the force a lot more than the voice. Yeah. Well, you're thinking of the voice with that. You don't seem like a movie guy. I like a few movies. But you seem like the type of guy to be outside and hunting. You can't just shit with your hands. I grow a white boy just without their arms. I like doing things. Yeah. If you spend too much time watching movies, it's like time you can't be actually doing actual things. [1:28:00] I think of it as a reward. If I'm gonna watch a movie, it's like, I bust my ass all week. Right, I can watch a movie. I had fucking, you know, to kill boredom, like my family went to Texas recently, Dallas through over to my sister-in-law, and I was by myself, and when you have, you know the deal, Joe, you have three kids, and a wife, and you got a routine, it's different when there's nobody home shit. Oh my god. I just don't I'm just sitting as only so much VR you can play Yeah, so I went so I go to the movies by yourself You want to movies by yourself in Long Island it feels different than the city in the city So I'm in there by myself watching frozen There's the movie something there but I'm what yeah so I'm when I watch so I'm watching the fucking twice Wow doon twice by like three hour movies don't say I don't have a life I'm a nice guy that's incredible this time listen you know what I could do I could be out getting trouble yeah my no bar fights yeah just VR right you're much better off doing what you're doing [1:29:06] I know I could have went another route my wife really uh and let me tell you I didn't tell you this last time Joe and he knows My wife at 40 years old had an MMA fight. I saw it. She was I don't want it was fucking phenomenal. It's crazy. I was like what? What's that? I know right? No right if you know that such a Later age as a mother Husband of a guy was a world champion decides to just start fighting right fucking let's go She never threw a punch when I got when I won the title she never threw a punch She was like It wasn't and then she did the kickboxing between each do water to lose weight And then she took a kickboxing match on the glue neglia or body I used to fight on the you know and she was didn't she and become three and This my wife's fight listen me at home before is that you with the blue shirt? You're a son of a bitch. That was it. [1:30:05] That was it. You're a man. That's the old man. You know what? Before gluten free. That wasn't you, right? That's when Dana used to say, oh, it looks like you ate mad, sorry. Fuck. But yeah, that was me. But I was so proud of how man. Because it was amazing. She got out of the cage, Longo's wanted to greet her at the fucking thing, because I mean, look, she's fighting a purple belt from Virginia here. And again, she never did any kind of sports in high school. I mean, if you see her standing up, like she's like doing a fucking clinic, man. She snaps down, she takes the back. And you know she's a blue belt she fought a purple belt it was always that last that um that chance of the girl you know doing something and you given them how these things go she's one and done I'm happy she's done with it she did it it's nice for my daughter is to say yeah and now I'm saving myself from all the shit I said earlier about the fucking yeah girls what the fucking small but not only kidding no my wife uh no I'm just really proud of it was really nice. That's a man. It's cool It's kind of it's what a crazy aspiration at that age just to side fuck it. Yeah [1:31:10] Crazy, but I thought like clips of like your daughter helping her train and I mean what a cool like Environment that's what the whole setup with the school and all like he's like his family's part of it now and it happened Naturally, yeah, he didn't like drag that man and say, I'll do this. Some of his girls were dancing and shit. Yeah, my oldest just left dance to like pursue it full time. And now she's got a like a jujitsu max next month, next month at the same place with my wife for it. It's cool. And she's on the moon. Negalia have an event. It's cool. And again, You can't, what I found when having a kid is you can't make them love it, but you can make them hate it Like I never tried to be like yeah, I just always just play with them play with them and but now they're they're loving at the school So cool. It's so fun. That's awesome. Yeah family business, you know Being having any new kids lately [1:32:03] I know kids for me I got one yeah, he's doing good though. Yeah, yeah, college kid shout out Ethan. So what are the other interesting fights on 300? B is a F you get the B M F fight. You got John Waitley versus Jan Chowon. That's to be what John Waitley is a mom. Yeah, I think every time I'm at the PI She's always there. She's never not training when I'm there. This is the dark horse. Oliver and Saryu Kean. Now, let's talk about that. What do you think about that? Saryu Kean, dude, is a dangerous motherfucker, but so is Oliver. Oliver is the wildest turnaround of any fighter of all time. At one point in time, we would like fall short a lot, like tap the strings to pull, filter. And it comes back and just knocks everybody out. And just annihilates everyone. And it has no fear. It's a good different human being was like reborn inside of his body. Because he was known, not known for it, but he was known to be able to break. [1:33:02] Yeah. So if that's in him, it stays in him. It hasn't been in him for a while. No, it hasn't been smashed in everybody. But when he smashed Gachi, he smashed. Did he fight Gachi? Yes. He beat Gachi, he beat, who else did he beat? He beat Chandler. Chandler, look, that Chandler one was crazy too, because he got hurt real bad in the first round. Yeah. It's just also the power that he has is very unusual. He loses to Makachev. That's right. He beat Porje. I mean, come on. I felt for a, be Chandler Porje and Gachi in a row. I mean, that's why. I felt for Benio on that fight, man, because Benio was doing so. Like, Benio wasn't afraid to face him down there a lot of guys are afraid to go down there with them to the floor. Yeah, and And you know rightfully so because I just watched recently his fight with Kevin Lee again Yeah, and Kevin Lee thought he'd be okay down there and fuck man He's you'll fight off once you're fighting get out of an arm. He's on your neck You have the neck he's on your leg. I was the one with Kevin didn't realize he went out all right, and he tapped [1:34:06] He didn't realize he went out. All right, and he tapped. He didn't realize that he tapped. I'm feeling, I think that arm and I think he will take him down and I wonder how that's gonna go. That's what I'm waiting. This is a very interesting fight. If Charles is able to get on top of him, like Gamrott was able to control him on the ground and you can't really just he just did at our use. Yeah, look at our men just did it. I think you know, the Neal Charles kind of whack the Neal too in the first row. He did too. Yeah, he did too. Yeah, um, that's it. That's an interesting fight. Isn't it crazy that you got Bo Nickel, who's only had how many MMA fights? Four, five. Maybe Who's only have how many MMA fights? Four five and he's on he's on the main car. I mean Here's my here's my thing with him man like I think he's gonna be great I think he's gonna be a great fighter for sure. I don't like how he talks about already accomplished fighters who been through it What does he say like I mean? He's always talk about all [1:35:07] Meekom's that will be an easy fight in this statin third. like, yo dude, like you got four fights and you got help with those fights. And we haven't changed it. You know what I mean? I mean, but the thing is, like even his opponents, like Jamie Pickett, like even Cody's, Branch's Cody's, Branch's known to fold in fights. Like he's fighting guys that are folding. Well, maybe they see a future champion in the kind of but what I'm saying is trying to bring him along. But I mean, you could bring him along, but don't if you in that position, don't talk about guys that had to go through it. I hear you. But isn't it interesting that some fighters, they decide to bring along. Yeah. And other victims that are like, look what's on the undercard. You're a pro. Look at the look at Calvin. Look at this. This is the undercard pro Hasca versus Raikage. That's that's wild as it is wild. Wild. Wild fight. Calvin Cater and Al Joe. Holly home and Kayla Harrison. Let's talk about that. What do you think? I don't know. Cause she make the weight. I like Holly. What was she fighting at? [1:36:01] 155. fighting yet one thirty five. Yeah, and there's no way she doesn't make the way she's a complete professional, but how she performs is going to be tough. I think Diego Lopez bro. That dude is a killer. Yeah, he's a killer. That's a future world champion. No doubt about that. No doubt about that. He's straight up killer. Sadeca. He's fought for me back in the day. I'll show gun. Excellent. That's a good fight. Jalen Turner and Hanato more. That's a good fight. All of these other fights that aren't on the main card. Jim Miller. Jim Miller on US 100, right? Davidson figurator with Cody Garbrand. That opens up the fights. That's crazy. That is the craziest card. The first fight on the prelims. That is the craziest card of all time. You know how shocked when I saw that was the first pre-lifetime. This fucking card is bananas, man. Scroll up a little bit more, Jamie. Yeah. Excuse me. Excuse me. Yeah, this is the bottom of it. I mean, that is wild, dude. [1:37:00] That is a wild undercard. Woo. You had a Turner moicon as well. How do you think Holly's gonna be able to deal with that grappling and the physical strength? Like Kayla? Like Kayla is a monster. I mean like we already saw her do it with Rhonda and her cheese is big. I think Rhonda is a better grappler than Kayla on the ground, transition into submissions and things. I just watched Kayla fight Aspen Lad and look like dog shit personally. That's one of my guys on the PFL card and she struggled, she got swept against that girl and stuff. So I don't think Holly can grapple with her for sure, but I don't think Holly's gonna be so easy to take down because she requires the clinch to get her down. And Holly's a big strong chick. I mean, I know she's 42 now, so maybe the age becomes a factor. But if she can just keep range, she's gonna win on her feet. So, I mean, I have to see Kayla take her down. I just don't think it's gonna be so easy. [1:38:00] And if Holly doesn't feel a threat on her feet, Holly might start lighting her up. You know what I mean? I see him. I seen Kayla fight. I don't know who the girl was, but I don't think she did. She did. The person a girl shot her down. That's what I'm saying. I'm listening. That's what she didn't do. She didn't do shit with her on the floor. She didn't know But if you look at like the way she's throwing punches on her feet, she's gonna stick a German Sheppard's on me It's not good. It's not a striker, right? She wants this but in these these grappling exchanges She's gonna be a fucking handful. This why I mean this is where we don't know how to wait is going to affect her Well, she didn't write it might actually help you know probably help her gas tank tremendously like in this fight She never put her in danger. Yeah, it really just depends on how much muscle she loses You know and how much strength training she continues to do like you don't get that big without a lot of strength [1:39:02] Trinidad holly's got a lot of experience I mean a lot of it is of course judo right. He's got a lot of them throwing around. He's a tank. But that comes at a requirement. Yeah. There's a lot of oxygen to get sucked up by those. That's what's interesting when you watch guys get older to get more economical like YoL got way more economical about how and when to move But put guys to sleep because they forgot that he could just explode The wife in the flying knee right right he would just just jump on dudes and you didn't expect to come and it's like you know So you would you and just sit back sit back sit back and there That's funny they really not to bring that up but they really fucked Tim Kennedy back in a day for that That was crazy that was crazy [1:40:01] There was like an extra how many seconds my male 39 seconds some Yeah, second some kid on that school. I know it's like a whole round Tim Adam That's a and then there's the mental break that comes from thinking that you won because the guys are not getting off the stool And then you got to fight again. Oh, yeah, and then you'll caught him and the thing about yo-wow is he gets anybody Yeah, definitely he gets anybody remember when he caught Machita. Whoo The Machita knockout was terrifying Who's the machita knockout was terrifying? Yeah, super hero. Bro, it's like everybody else is a child. Yeah, when he gets going. Yeah, everybody else is like a child. Is this the end of the fight? Oh, yeah. We all want to see when Tim was winning. This is the end of the fight. Which was, this is the real. So Tim can act like he's got him hurt there. Boom, he's got him hurt bad and then the bell rings So he goes back. I mean yo-hers on the verge of going out like look he goes back and but they gave him all this extra time The round was supposed to start. He's still sitting on the stool. There's big John doing They covered him with like water or ice and they have too much [1:41:01] Vaseline on his face. There's a bunch of different things and he just Layed there with any eventually caught Man That's some bullshit. Well it sucks. That's for sure sucks for Tim because in all fairness I think when the bell starts if you're not willing or able to get up and that should be it Yeah, no doubt about that if you're not able to get up and that should be it. Yeah, that should be it. Yeah, no doubt about that. If you're not able to answer the bell, but I think there was something else going on. Like he was covered in something, they had to wipe them off. There was like, so sh**. And it was ice on the ground too. I think they did all that shit on purpose. All that shit on purpose. All that shit on purpose. That's how Angelodon D did that with Muhammad Ali back when he was caches clay and he fought this dude in London No, his father's I don't know if it was in London. It was a Henry Cooper Henry Cooper was his badass British dude without a nasty left hook and he caught caches clay with a perfect laugh hook Just bank Oh Drocked him and it was at the end of the round and they cut his gloves in between rounds [1:42:05] They had a new gloves and they gave him plenty of time. So this is after the fight. Yeah. They yell on each other. Well Tim was yellin' at him. Oh my God. What the f***? That's good. If you kick it up the stool, if you kick it up the stool, let's end the fight. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Labor but laborious such a nice guy to he's right though he's right he's 100% right he's right but i don't i think like i said i think there's a bunch of shenanigans that are involved i think there's too much vaseline on him there's there's i think there was water all over but there's a bunch of shit where they're like they did a bunch of things to make sure that the round got extended uh... how is the uh... the dirty business? uh... speaking of dirty business how is the uh the dirty business? Speaking of dirty business, how's the uh now that you saw it has gone? How's this new testing thing? Well, Walt Harris just got popped, right? Oh, that's a, that's a, that's a death story. Yeah, you're done. Yeah, Walt's already 40. Yeah, that's it. And he, he got popped the allegedly, I should say, from what the report was that I read on one of the websites. It was like three different things three different times [1:43:07] God when you're 40 It doesn't work You gotta meet it Yeah, it's kind of weird like we know this stuff really works, but you're not allowed to use it 48 month sanction for two separate violations of the UFC anti-doping policy. First test deposit, what is that? Tell me what that is. Draw. No, Rolo, Rolo knows what it is. Draw, draw, stand alone. What is that? Fuck all you got. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. I just think you're good at those words. Metabolite 3a, hydroxy2a, methyl 5a, androstan, 17 on, and testosterone of exogenous origin. And samples collected on June 24, 2023, July 12, 2023. Harris was notified of the first adverse finding on July 11 of 2020. [1:44:02] So he was known. So they told him that he got popped the first time and then he tested positive the next day. Yeah, subsequently after he's notified, he had verse finding, he provided urine and blood samples on August 6th, 2023 urine sample tested positive for the presence of anastrasalone, a prohibitive substance that was not present in any of the previous samples, as well as drostanolone and its metabolite, blood samples tested positive for the presence of exogenous testosterone, which based on its values was determined as a new administration since the notification of his first adverse findings on July 11th. So I wasn't taking the test that day. Wow. Four years of it. That's a life sent and how does he know 40 Forties after that. That's kind of it seems kind of crazy that he would just take all that stuff knowing that they were gonna catch them Did you have you ever asked Novitsky why they made be BPC 157? [1:45:01] I mean like it's not a performance enhancer because some state state regulators Like you know athletic commissions. They have it illegal. All right, all right So if the UFC allows something that the athletic commissions don't allow yeah, it really should be allowed by the athletic commissions 100 percent it's all doing is helping people heal from injuries. So it's all it is so it's a Stature and it's a naturally occurring compound in the human body. It's an amino acid. Yeah. So it's something that should be legal and you know, and I think the FDA is trying to stop its use now too, which is crazy. Anything that works. Yeah, right. Well listen, you fuckheads, just sell it to us. Just fucking sell it legal and sell it. It's good. It's really good for injuries. Really good for injuries. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff like that that should be legal. The testosterone one, those boys went wild and they fucked it up for everybody. The TRT vTore error. Oh yeah. Those boys went wild. TRT Tore. our T-Tort is a dumbest boy's wet wire. T-V-3. When you were just take testosterone replace, [1:46:06] when everybody's like, oh, I definitely have low testosterone. Hook it up. There's your Eric Silva. He was not on the line. It really noticeably changed. Oh, and a lot of dudes did. Bro, we had guys that were 25 years old that were signing up for testosterone use exemptions. That's gonna fuck them up when they're older though. 100% but that was the thing a lot of those guys were already fucked up because they did juice. So if you're a young guy and you do like a bunch of cycles of juice and you get gigantic or that is gonna jack up your system. It takes a long time to recover. Damn. So there's dudes that are like 25 years old that have wrecked their endocrine system and they probably can't have kids. Really? Yeah, they have low sperm count. Yeah, it can fuck you up. When you like, you see these social media kids that are like 18, 19 years old, and then also when they're 22, they've gained 80 pounds of muscle and they have zits all their back and they're fucking huge and they're getting all this attention because they're massive. [1:47:01] And there's quite a few of these kids. They're gonna ruin their body. They're gonna ruin their endocrine system. When you're shocking your system at a very, very young age. When you're on TOT, it's like fucking birth control for men. I have been pulled out in years, son. I was able to, I was able to, I get out of the kid. When I want to have a kid, I don't know if it's because I go commando forever. I'd have a kid, like you want to lie, why, I want to get pregnant, my guy, you know, it worked. So I know we were good to go, but ever since I'm on TOT, isn't it funny because the other idea for male birth control is the opposite. There's a male birth control pill that came out that radically lowers testosterone. Fuck that. But how many? I don't know. How many? How many dominant women who have cocked men are gonna force them to take that stuff? Slipping that shit in their... No, no, no. Force them. Oh my god. Force them to take it. [1:48:00] Force not of that. No. Why would anybody take that? Because they don't want that as the wife They want the alpha. Yeah, but they want to do that to the guy They some some women doing that they like doing that Yeah, they'll turn your trans Leave you broken bye Turn your trans screw down. Yeah, they'll they'll they'll make you It's just as this certain people like your Kardashian screw down. Yeah, they'll make you. It's just as this certain people like your Kardashian skit. Hmm. Yeah, you got a wonder man. What trying to be like a young kid in this day and age with social media, trying to be an 18, 19 year old kid trying to fan your way through life, seeing these juiced up gigantic dudes getting attention and girls with lip fillers at 18 years old and Everybody's got a Ferrari It's harder for them than it was for us right because of social media way harder. It's way harder because there's so much Chaos out there like the guy getting shot in the dick. You see things all the time that was really hard to see when we were kids [1:49:03] Because I only knew my fuck is in my neighborhood all the time that was really hard to see when we were kids. Because I only knew motherfuckers in my neighborhood. Right? That was it? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, it's just a general. Yeah, in general. You only hung out with people in your neighborhood. Right, that was it. And if you saw someone on TV that was like an MTV music video or something like that, like that, okay, but that's not even real world right that's not the real world right if it's like a some guy You know from your school now is a million followers on TikTok. What yeah, I can get a hundred thousand dollars the fuck Are you talking about how what are you doing? I don't know man Maybe because I got my kids homeschooled ever since the pandemic because we didn't want the wearing masks and all that shit My wife's lucky enough that you know, we're lucky enough. She gets to be a stay-at-home mom and whatnot. Oh I got EDD. What were we just moving on? Kids should have a little dicks. People being able to see things that they never could see before kids. And your kids are home school. Yeah. Oh yeah this is what I'm back. It was the Zins kicking in. It was uh you know we keep them close like nowadays if you they go to school all day one what the fuck are they telling [1:50:06] these kids is weird enough and from oh my friend's kid came on the other day and he's like he's like oh man 10 years old he's like oh dad I could so when I grow up I could be a boy or a girl. Yeah it's fucking and I guys my buddy's like a religious guy he's like oh fuck I moved to South Carolina he got the fuck out of Newark Island. But I don't know where it is in different school systems, but I didn't like stuff like that, it's not like when we were kids. That stuff is so weird. It's fucking strange. But it just shows you that whatever is socially popular, people will gravitate to and that people will change their behavior based on what gets them more attention. That's why I'm saying like, because some of them are definitely trans. Let's be, that's shit's existed since the beginning of time. I mean, who feel like they're born in one's body, but some of them are getting sucked into a social contagious horrible. They think it's cool to be by or it's, oh no, what are you? I'm, dude, it's fucking whether it's a transgender dick or a regular dick you got to experiment suck a dick if you want some [1:51:08] street cred no I want to be great today they've gone to places where 50% of the kids identify as LB a L G B T Q I mean it's 50% really yeah 50% that's a joke don't you think that's why it's not being indoctrinated Then this never happens. Well, it's just fascinating. It's fascinating that it's working That's what's fascinating and when you look at the people like look If you're gonna pay someone 35 grand a year to take care of your kids They're not gonna be good people that are like to dominate in their field and really on the ball You're gonna gety people teaching kids. And a lot of these people that are teaching kids in public schools that you see making these TikTok videos, they're wacky people. That just happened to be in the position where they're running at school. As a parent though, I think you should just keep them close and just talk to them every day. Yeah, they don't necessarily need to talk to them, but they're gonna have to talk to other people too. And there's something about running into really kuku people when you're young that's probably good for you, [1:52:07] just so you know that they exist. The problem is if they have too much influence over your kid and your kid starts believing things that they're saying and they indoctrinate you into some weird way of thinking that maybe you don't align with in your home and you don't want your child being raised that way, which is your prerogative, like as a person. But also the kids like should be exposed to a lot of weird shit. It's like it's good for them to see cookie people. So they can just go. I think that's where we're being a matter of benefit, because we're the cookie people that our kids see. Yeah, we are, right? There's no way to avoid that. But I don't have a room to interested in what we're interested in. Yeah. He's true, right? I always prefer things with people asking about opinions. Like listen, I'm a dirty comedian and a cage fighting commentator. So, with that said, this is my dumb ass respect room. But understand who the fuck you're talking to. Lusely educated. Think about that dirty comedian and you commentate fights. [1:53:02] Yeah, that's yeah, that's a perspective. Yeah, that's a person of questionable judgment. Yeah. Fucking bad. That's true. Highly unnormal. Communications, everything. No, I don't remember my parents talking to me. I haven't ever find things. My kid's 15 now. The dude, when I was 15, I'm sleeping over Jimmy's house. I'd be walking the fucking streets, fighting and doing stuff. I'm 15. I can't think of it like it, like I never not know where she is. Like it's different. Yeah, I think it was a different time, Matt. And I think their parents raised them in a different way. Like it takes a while to like understand why your parents raised you the way they raised you. But it's because the way they were raised and the way people, look, my grandparents were straight up immigrants from Italy and from Ireland. They're all people from the boat and those were wild people. Those people that took a chance, got on that fucking boat and made it across the ocean to come to, yeah, a bunch of wild people. And they didn't have a whole lot of time for parenting, you know. And then their kids grew up and had kids and then they had kids and so it takes a while for everybody to settle down. I think people are, we have way more information today [1:54:08] than ever before, which is probably good for kids. It's good to be aware of all the different types of humans and all the different possibilities of good and bad things that can happen in the world, but also it's gotta be overwhelming, man. It's gotta be overwhelming to be a kid and to think you got to worry about climate change and Ukraine and Russia and fucking Mexicans, it's just every day. It's something new. That's the thing the phone puts it in her face all day every day. Every day it's something new. We didn't have any of that shit. By and find out, find out, find out. I know you're trying to call somebody a pussy. Yeah. It's every day, it's like this is crazy. Life is fun now. It is definitely fun if you're an adult. If you're an adult and you're not being affected negatively by it. Well, because we, like you said, we come up from a different generation where we didn't grow up doing that. Right. So we can live without it. We're also all of us are in wild businesses. [1:55:02] Yeah. This is wild business. You're in the business of people beating the shit out of each other. You know, this is the wild business. It's a wild business. It's funny that it is where it is now. Like I remember coming up, we were talking about before being OG's like, I remember each fight thinking, I this might be the last one and it's gonna be done. You know what I mean? So now is just such a mainstream thing. It's crazy. I remember very clearly Eddie Bravo and I were having a conversation. And it's almost like we manifested this. We said, dude, we know MMA is awesome. Wouldn't it be crazy if just some fucking billionaire dudes who were fans of the sport just dumped a bunch of money in it just to show everybody, and then it would just catch on? Yeah. I was like, if somebody just came along, that would work, man. That's the only way it would work. Somebody would have to lose tons and tons of money just to get it out there and that's what they did. It's literally like it was manifested. Lorenzo and Frank Fatita, yeah, it's amazing. And they just really loved it. They really loved it. They loved it. They trained, they were tough guys they love it lost like fifty sixty million they were down money that's how much they love they were down more than [1:56:08] 40 million when the first ultimate fighter came around and they funded that whole thing they funded the whole thing they just rolled the dice and came up double six yeah when you think about like the chain of events that had to have to happen made it like the about like the chain of events that had to have to happen. Like the fatitas then the forest fight and then just right. Everything you have to have a guy like Dana. You have to have a complete maniac running the show. You have to have a guy like that. The day the main people understand how much of a maniac he is. Yeah, he's like in cycle in terms of like his work ethic. Oh, he's a maniac. I mean, that's pretty obvious. The guy works constantly. He loves it. He loves setting fights up. He'll talk at two o'clock in the morning for hours, just about matchups and shit. Did you see the other day on the podcast when the girl said the lead? That she did the video in the broadcast? Yeah, she was like, tell me, what does Joe Rogan think of whatever it was? [1:57:02] And he's like, what does Joe Rogan think of whatever it was and he's like, what is Joe Rogan think? She goes, Dana White. You think I'm Joe Rogan? I can't even do the podcast. You know that's, you have see events, like the weeks of the events or when I'm doing a looking for a fight. You've been there. Oh man. A guy with a picture of this and that, I'm like, oh well, I'm sure you know and then you know, uh, thanks a lot Mr. White. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. You're the only always that he's either Joe or Dana. I people call me Dana. I've been called Dana before some do it. It's all Dana. I go, no, I'm the other dude. Yeah. Jimmy. Right? How is this? That's an episode of time. That's a lot of time. But This made a mental fail. We're trying to say all bold white guys looking like. When you're doing a podcast and you're interviewing someone, especially if you haven't done a lot of them and it's like a high profile thing, you're doing Dana White, you're always thinking of what to say. Even the question is like, what's your dream? You know, like that's a crazy question. That's like, I don't know what to ask you. So it's a dream. So she's I believe floundering a little bit there and doesn't know what to say. It's okay. It's fucking weird having a conversation with someone. [1:58:06] But I think he handled it the right way right by making fun of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she handled it the right way too. She kept it in there. She had it out. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. It is funny. It's funny. It's just a flood. I've done it all that shit. Somebody called you Pete Sprout? No, they were, they should always do that. Oh, just for fun. Yeah, just for fun. Except for the content you thought you were even. No, it's all the same. Or the one time on a looking for a fight. A bee really thought I was Eve. He was like, that's what he is. He's like, you knocked out my teammate. I'm like, we talking about his like, Josh Thompson, I was like, no man, that was, that was the last. Isn't Wild, how could he just said, nope done, see ya. Bye. Yeah, cuz he's my mom. I'm done. I mean, when you're that good and your life is, you know. Pretty incredible though. What a legacy, right? Undefeated, only one fight was kind of close the glacing T-Bout fight. Yeah go back and watch that [1:59:14] It was arguable. Yeah, I gave it to him nobody would yeah, nobody would like protest. Yeah, it was close Preusata Preusata Oh, should glacing preusata. Yeah, that is true. My man glacing is built like a fucking super hero It was built like a fucking super hero like a fucking teletubby or something or glazing and he's out of those Sean Shark days, son. Yeah. And we're also Shark. The Grussel Shark. Remember Shark? Shark was a little fucking demon. Oh yeah. A little fire plug. Demon. Shark was one of the first guys it had preposterous strength and conditioning. Yeah. His strength and conditioning. Yeah, yeah, he's strength and can do him in rich Franklin They would they would do these Strasstras, they're good glacing Brazilian Biceps Jesus Christ the thing about glacing that always used to freak me out was the fact that he could make 155 I know I was like how? Because I would stand next to him. I'm like how are you you're so much bigger than me? How the fuck are you 155? It doesn't make any sense and glee's and got him down in this one didn't he? Not the time glacing glacing. He heard him on the feet quite a few glacing was a dangerous fight or whatever happened the glacing [2:00:10] Well, you know, you got older at a lot of wars, you know, he got a he did Didn't Islam KO him Islam KO room. Yeah, Islam K. It on bad. It was a bad one. He's had a few KO losses He's a tough dude though yeah he thought um I think a few times in pf or something hmm but they're going to war wow glacing was a house though man I think the thing is a beef looks natural and he looks fucking but look like he can't take glacing down which is crazy that's how strong glacing was yeah I mean it it could be takes everybody down. But could be to look smaller than. Right? Yeah. That's doesn't. Yeah. That's me. Physically. No, that's not smaller. You look at him and now look at him against Conor. Yeah. Let's just look at this right now. Okay. Pause this. Now go to could be versus Conor. Well, how old was he here? He looks young. Well, he's young. Well, he's young when the first fights in UFC, but made up market improvement in that department [2:01:07] because he looked way stronger. Later in his career, like when you fought Gagey, he looked way stronger. Way stronger. Developed that man's strengths. Yeah. Six years later too. Six years later, that's a big deal. Yeah, look at him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on bro. That's a different dude. Look at the difference man. Oh 100% go back to that picture again. Yeah, he's all smooth here. Now go to the another one. The other one that you just showed me. Look at him. Pro. That's that man straight. Yeah, that's also I want to kill you motivation. Yeah, it is. I mean, he got in fucking shape for Connor. Oh yeah. When he's standing on top of him punching him, Let's talk now. Let's talk now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know what? I was surprised Connor didn't quit at that moment because he was getting his ass work. I don't think Connor's ever gonna do that. Well, Connor did say to him, you know, it's just business or something. Yeah. And then he said something like, nah, I didn't say that, but I'm fucking in the deep, I mean it wasn't going his way He did win around but it would seem like it was around that Keebeep took off. Yeah, it could be kind of hosted for around and got back on him again [2:02:12] Keebeep just knew how to wear you out man that thousand yard stare that dudes would have when he grabbed a hold of them Against and Barbosa. That's the best one Michael Johnson where he's It's a hard look at his eyes. Yeah, it's in or Michael Johnson where he's on the back of the leg. Oh my God. I was going please tap. Please. I was anticipating that spiral fracture that guys get when they don't tap anymore. I don't like that. The core is probably breaking. It's a mad rock. Minotauro versus Frank Miyas. The ugliest example of that. Don't be stubborn with that. I saw it in a Gigi tournament recently online. Some kids snap, whose arm just goes limp. It's horrible. It's horrible. And it happened quick to man. The guy just turned it, he turned the corner, it just popped right in his arm. And he goes like this, backs up, and so it's awful. I had a guy, I had a guy listen, the people fall asleep all the time, you know what happens. Our goal is to, you know, put someone to sleep or get a limb. So sometimes if they guys are a little stubborn, [2:03:06] you know, if all I'm like, or usually it's like, ah, you know, and they'll stop if anything. But with the choke sometimes you don't know. So the bread cutter, you know the bread cutter? Fucking when they're all you know like this. I love that fucking one. It's so good. One of my black belts, Gord, He went with his other guy. Now this other guy said it's a strong fucking like Middle East guy and he's dude. He's not in that quick tap club and he and it's not good. See this the second time he went out but this time when he goes out I go over like you know you pick up the legs so I go over him and he's I always usually make a joke and like you know because they usually come right back so I'm like I mean you're bedroom. Hey remember I slept over you know I'm thinking and he's looking at me dude In 30 years I never seen one like this cuz I don't know how long this guy had a mouth his eyes were open He looked like a fucking zombie's got my wrist. He's gone [2:04:00] Eyes well like he was out But not dude and he had my wrist wrong. I do do it was you fucking grab me. I go hey dude At neon belly on him. I'm like fucking don't let go of his legs. I didn't want in the mood right it was fucking It took him it actually was starting to scare me a little bit how long I'd take before he came back It felt like fucking eternity. It it was a few seconds It was and his eyes would just open the whole time like dude Is this fucking what am I dealing with it? And then he then then he started then it started the They with the whole time he's clinging his down. He's got my wrist and I go to the air you back. Did you sign a waiver? He was okay And then the best was that guy goards a big sweet over guys like a half a hippie, you know He looks like kung fu panda's like big. He's like And he's been call me later. He goes, you know Having seen Syed since is he a writer goes come to think of it. Nobody seen this motherfucker I go I go I go sue check up on this guy my my girl check up on him and uh [2:05:01] He came back to next day. He was fucking fine Nobody seen him. I got a little embarrassed. He's like nice guy. I go listen. I then I found out it was like the second time he went out. I go to it. You can't I go to his. Yeah. You got to I go and I go and I go hand so I just listen. It happens once in a while like it happened to me once I purple bell. I didn't like this guy He's got a little prick. I'll tell you his name. I don't want to You're gonna street cred right? He was a purple Pennsylvania never liked them. I would always best them But he was just like a dickie dude So he was trying to fucking and he was not bad at jitsu. He's in my guard trying to strangle me Amateur move, you know feet feet and hips, flip them over, mounted them, fall asleep. Well, the fuck outta don't still, you know. So yeah, yeah, so I'm like, what the fuck, hands were like, woke me up, he didn't wanna make a scene he goes, nah, nah, he's okay. So then the guy went back after me and I woke up like during it. I'm like, what the fuck? And then I But I remember after when it went so they didn't stop the match. No, no, he was doing the whole night of rolling. It was just a [2:06:05] Just a Just a Just a Training on a whatever night was back to the Gracie Ku Kukuk days on crazy Craig Ku Kukuk days like Ku Kukuk. Yeah, it's just the guy that they had those video tapes right? I learned to just do from him I learned to solid Mount escape He was my first instructor. I got my blue belt on the crack. Craig came to New Jersey first, and Hanzo came two years later. And then later on they ended up having a split, and Hanzo came to me, you know, it's the way. Where'd that cook-up guy go? Idaho or something. He was a weird... He was a very good instructor. He was underhoring on in hoist. And then they disowned him for some business reasons, you know? How weird. We were in like, when I seen shit like that. I was buying like a newsletter of the Gracie newsletter. That's like a 17 year old. Like I, because my father was a martial artist and this is before, you know, Black Belt magazine days, you know? So I'm like, wait, so then I found out they did something black belt where he was gonna be in a New Jersey doing one day a week in Manhattan at Oeshe's judo club down in the village over there [2:07:10] So I go I got to take advantage of this, you know, I got it No, I knew they kicked them out, but I knew they already awarded them. So there he is big German guy He was very good teacher like so my my foundation is How long goes this Jamie? I have no idea. Does it say down there? I'll say this is probably 19 years old. It's probably 19 years old. It says 192. Oh, the videos from 192? The video was re-uploaded and remastered. It wasn't here a long ago. It could be from... This is very old though, yeah. It was a DVD, so it wouldn't like the gears. He's like, I don't even own a gear. He's fucking, he's that guy. But he was a very good teacher. He learned on the Horry and Unhoys, but the problem was he wasn't a very personable guy. Like he was, like you could never get too close to the guy. And him and Hanzo had like a fallen out business-wise. And I was look, one day after the training and he told me, he goes, look, now that I got my green coat, [2:08:07] I'm getting away from this motherfucker. And he goes, I want, he goes, if you go with him, cause I was up one of the cops, I'm just gonna try to kind of cock block his green card. Yeah, he was, he wasn't as good. And then I remember, H. Handsome goes, if you go with him and he goes, but I want you to come with me and this and that, I go, it wasn't even a choice. Because Handsome was like family. Even though I'm a loyal guy, I felt like parents were breaking up a little bit, but like, but Handsome. It's Handsome. Handsome. Yeah, it He's a great human being. Isn't that kind of weird you could live here, but you can't run it. We would make sure we don't get some foreign infiltrators. It's like some old school espionage shit. Yeah. Yeah. If someone takes their child to cross this, it's going to be the next president. [2:09:01] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right? To destroy the war. He's the best. No, I mean, Hanzo, like just, you know, he's such a great human being, you know, he done so much for me. So it was the best. Yeah, it wasn't even. Everybody loves Hanzo. I don't, yeah. I never met anybody who doesn't. It's true. And the thing about H No, he's the best. He'll switch it in a heartbeat. I'll drop a don, I'll fucking for sale. I'll jump on somebody. In a fucking hair. Yeah. Well, listen, he was in a really quick. He was with his son, Horan, who's a sweet kid. And he told this story on my podcast, but I'll try to do it justice. They were in a... He's the best story. They pulled into a gas station, right? And he was in a little sports car that he was giving to his son, Horon. And then somebody, there was some guys, some like some street guys, you know, that's a chicks car, something like that, right? And he saw like his son's face, like get a little sad. So he gets out and he goes, hey, come see the size of my vagina. [2:10:00] That's what right there. I'm just, let's see. I Was a fucking not To give a fuck man hands of like my first shoot fighting match like I My first time ever fighting in a in a cage. He was a big Daniel big Dan the rap Bammer. Yeah, he used to have a shoot fighting matches. I remember. At his school in Elizabeth New Jersey. It's like Bama Fight nights or something like that. My first time ever as a purple belt, first time ever doing any kind of combat, I did a Jiu-Jitsu tournament, but I never fought before. So he came and it was like a three week notice thing, but I was always in nervous, you know, and I'm thinking the crazy's with their diet Isn't it he goes? This is what you do you go to GMC you get the rapid fuel Take one of those you feel good all day So that that is a fedra back that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm like all right, rip it fuel, right? Again, I took one on backstage is stuff going on a little nervous. I took another one. Oh, no [2:11:05] stuff going on a little nervous I took another one oh no we do one more I'm fucking I don't know what the stuff is so I took like fucking three so I fought some kid from Virginia who was like a blue belt level something and this was with rope escapes so I went out there fucking cut my damn mouth so I fucking like all hyped up boom took them down bad real naked choke he grabes the rope so I get him in two seconds he gets out so I get a point but then he startedes the rope. So I get him in two seconds, he gets out, so I get a point, but then he started on, so I started off, I take him down again, he starts climbing up, there's no striking on the floor on the face, so it goes the distance, cause I'm exhausted, I got exhausted because of the fucking, my heart wouldn't stop. Afterward, I couldn't even walk back. After the fight, Bart Val. You don't know who Bart Val was. Yeah. He was one of the rest. Somehow he knew Dan through the shoot fighting. Him and Hanzo was supposed to fight in this thing called the W. I remember that, yeah. C.C. He was punked that. One and done event that was like a UFC wannabe, but Hanzo fought three times in one night. And I fought for some Hawaiian guy and they both got injured. He got out, but he was a big. He looked like a big [2:12:06] He gave me my first cauliflower here Yeah, it's like it's like Rolo with a mullet. Yeah Crazy musters. Yeah Barnvale, Hanzo was in my corner. So afterwards. It's a big dude So you know, Hanzo so afterwards you know, he saw So you know, hands up so afterwards you know he saw They there was like you know I even went to distance I won cuz I got the choke so the barbell was going like that Handsome jumps up on the day. Oh, there he is. I thought he was going me and you Handsome thought he was calling hands up. Handsome went over there to fucking go jump on I mean that's how he was a big big dude man. Oh he was a massive dude Oh, and he was in the early early days. Yeah, bear knuckle MMA. Mm-hmm. He's like something out of frugal rock I'm sure that I remember that event. That's like Eric Paulson in a mat. Hume. Yeah James wearing [2:13:02] Paulson's a very good friend. It was a real thing the same time frame. Yeah James wearing Eric Paulson Thanks, I was a good fighter. Very good fighter. But I mean, it was the same time frame. Yeah. James wearing fucking school y'all, he fucking wrapped his hair around his, he's a boxer. Yeah, remember. Eric Paulson's a very complete fighter. He's a very well-rounded, you know, guy. Yeah, he cheated. He fought over at Chudo. But, uh, well, I mean, he tried to go through the striking side with his grappling experience, Paulson. What does that mean? Like they had two divisions. It was his grapplers and strikers wearing his striker's side. And then the end of it was the guy who won the strike inside fought the guy who won the grappling. That's not right. Though his hands are forwarded. Shooters. I mean, they were still fighting, but they had, they had rules on how long you could be on the ground, all that shit. Like I remember, he's called Mr. Wearing actually, I met him down in Florida. Yeah, he's a, he's a, I was only a footer. I thought it was, it shows you when Mathum fought Pat Militouch. Oh, yeah, that was good. Yeah, I was, I was, I was good, Mathumas. Mathumas was good, good. Yeah, I remember I trade with him in Japan the first time I fought Uno and he beat the shit out of me I was like man, I should even be here. My name else says he still beats us. I'm sure I'm sure yeah, I'm sure [2:14:12] He's got a golden 50 God I'm about to be 50 you might be 60 My name is good. He was very good. Yeah, I was always fascinating that he didn't continue to fight remember He did contenders to where they had the grab. Like the wrestlers. Didn't he, uh, was it in Kenny Monday? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kenny Monday tried to go for his legs. Yeah. Over like that. And that was when Frank Shamrock, uh, Kevin Jackson was in it. Yeah. No, no, no. I got a reaction in the UFC. That was in the UFC. Oh, that was in UFC. Yeah, that was, um, Dan Henderson. Yeah, he healed. Well, the Dan Henderson. Yeah, he got Dan Henderson. He caught him in like an ankle lock. Was that, was that when Booster Montaie fought Erickson? No, that a different event. Different event. That was different event. That was, that was MMA event. That was Marlke. He fought time Ericsson for 45 minutes. Morillo boost the Monta and Fabio Gejalla to [2:15:06] want some of my all-time favorite to do. I'm not going to boost the Monta, Taff Matlin lin out twice. I remember that, because he tapped him out and Big John stopped fighting. I thought boost the Monta beat Chuck with though and that fight too. I thought he'd struck him like I thought he won that fight. Boy boy I'd have to go back and watch out you know what it was he's too sometimes he was so comfortable on the back sometimes Chuck would do a punch and he go back with it kind of the optics a little weird you know but I I think that guy that's when you that what I love about those guys is that if you seen those guys in Abu Dhabi you see them in a jiu jitsu tournament you see them in MMA that you jitsu transitions that's like that's like um, what I just say earlier the young kid not young kidy young to me I guess And boost them on there was an 85 or a yeah, yeah, this is a crazy fight. We think about it How many times the boost them on defied 205 he was pretty I mean for a jujitsu guy like he was pretty well-rounded especially for that [2:16:05] Not a He was pretty I mean for a jujitsu guy like he was pretty well rounded especially for that time Yeah, for that time. He for sure he was not a He'd be on their feet. He was awesome real Pusamante and people sleep on chocolate Don't realize Chuck was a wrestler. Yeah, that was a good right hand by Chuck though. Chuck had to touch a death Don't you that's what like but Chuck when he hung in there too long like I like when the guys when we just talking It's unfortunate that they don't have a fucking exit strategy, you know, and then also, if you've got a bunch of wars, probably not thinking so good anymore. Yep. It's hard to master up the mental energy to create a new career. It's hard to accept the fact that you ain't as good as you used to be. Yes, very good. They don't accept it. Very hard. So when you're young, you just, you don't think you're ever going to be old. You're like, fuck, it's that kind of wild. The fator's still throwing. Is he really? Didn't he retire finally in the Ryan Bader fight? We just knocked out the second time. Thoroughly retired, but then I saw him talking about like trying to do a boxing match with Tyson or one of those guys. [2:17:06] That's what man. That dude in his prime was something different. Fator for sure. Oh yeah. We have to look at him in the context of what came before him. And there was no one. Yeah, it was nothing like it before him for sure. The fact that he could both knock you out and get submissions from everywhere, from everywhere. Off his back, I mean, when Grandelman threw him, remember that? Yeah, yeah, spike to my head and his expression never changed. His variety of just being able to do so many different things. So many different things. So tough. That is personality. That was a bad one. I already saw the podcast. That is something that he fought at the very very early. When he could have fought a 205 forever. He could have fought at a 85. How about that? No, we was about 230 with that man. Yeah, he always looked shubby, very accurate man. Oh, he's hands-peed, but I mean, phenomenal, phenomenal. I was with Jeff Munson in Russia when he fought Jeff. And man, I'd never seen a beaten like that. And when Jeff was walking out, I mean, Jeff, yeah. He really looked like he was going to his death. [2:18:01] I mean, it was bad. That was Fador when he was really fated. Yeah. Yeah. The fador that fought in pride. When remember when he walked down Krokov. He most of the fight was one of the, yeah, he walked the beat. Yeah, for sure. Okay, Ryan Bader, he said he suffered a TKO in the first round, retiring from MMA after the bout. So he says, but that was real recent. That was February. Yeah, you're ago yeah I don't know I mean I think you could talk some of those guys I just think they just don't like not doing it yeah the thrill of getting it just gives them a purpose and as they get older it gets more more dangerous you get KOed more often it's a thing Putin would make him the minister or something like he did with you know you know Correa stuff, you know Problem the problem is when you compete that long if I didn't I know if the weirdest feeling for me I don't know what's for you or any of you guys you all competed after like the three months to the six month mark of Not getting another thing coming up. It's a fucking weird feeling. It's like should I be called Joe Silvanow and getting another fucking fight? [2:19:04] Like what am I? We're your purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It felt weird. It felt weird when they're getting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For a lot of people, they just can't accept. And then if they go and do other stuff and they don't find success in that other thing, then they get it all. I could have just made 30 watching other dudes make all this money and you think, damn it, I'm in a... I still hang with him. Right, I still got it. And then you gotta get a real job. There's also the difference between someone who's absolutely obsessed to being the best in the world and someone who's thinking, I could probably fight and make money. Yeah. Because you're just not gonna train, you're not gonna focus, you're not gonna have the same intensity, enthusiasm, the same everything. You're not gonna be the same guy. So even if you used to be that guy when you were younger, when you were 20, if you were 27, and you're just doing it for money, and you think you're still that guy that you were when you were 20, when you were obsessed with it. No, it's different. You're gonna get fucked up. You're gonna get fucked up. I think you can go south so quickly too. on a tear and you know you look you're down to you down three now what do you got look at Fulkenowski Fulkenowski before the rematch with Islam Makachev is in dispute as the [2:20:11] best pound for pound fighter alive right he he almost won that fight very close fight some people thought he could have won some people thought Islam could have won but either way he went up fought the best fighter in the 155 pound division and got to a standstill with him. So at that point, you're looking at him. This motherfucker is one of the greatest of all time. Probably the best pound for pound fighter alive. And then he gets KO'd and the rematch, he takes with 10 days notice, which is crazy to take. A fight like that with 10 days notice. And then he gets KO'd in the fight with Topuporia and in two fights over the course of what was it seven months eight months everything's different everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. Everything's different. got to give him his brain time. Yeah, but is that really his team? But that's his him. [2:21:06] You know what I mean? You can't do the team shit. You can't do the final say. You do have the final saying fighters always think they can do anything. They always think they can do it. They always think they can put it off. Cause like you said, one year. You only take a whole year off. You're not doing anything for a year. It was one of the best one punch knockouts in the year. It was for it. And with the consequence, it was piecing him up until then. And the consequences of the fight, you know, this is their third fight. He got a hindsight of 2020 though. I hindsight's twenty twenty though i mean he could have learned fucking knocked them out of me what if he he got that head kicked me to the other person i have but your mom you're not you're not gonna be able to compete against a guy like mockachev with no camp that not you're not gonna be the same god this is my argument like with comar usmon and hamza and everyone's like hamza b come on like [2:22:01] sort of sort of kind of ten days notice five months come our wins. Yeah, because tomorrow was winning in the third. Also, Camaro didn't have time to prepare. Yeah, he doesn't know he can't trust his gas tank. So yeah, fighting up a way class. Fight not a way class, but homes. I was really a legit 170 if you can make the way. But at 170, homes, that's the most terrifying guy in the planet. Right. that's the most terrifying guy in the planet right because he's fucking horrific he knocks you out with one punch he's got crazy crazy speed yeah about the way his feet is what is underrated off the charge could you trust them to make the way though no can't just do shit can't you know what the thing about that one way cut that he missed by eight pounds though that's New York and they stopped him from cutting the way you know how they do it like fucking New York is these no it's these some some athletic commissions they don't they intervene a little they get it they go out of his not gonna make it like listen they can make it but you know you think it'll look good but they can make it how do they get their two cents they did that with uh... that's why al had to fight could be right because they didn't think max hallway was cut they didn't want [2:23:03] them cut anymore weight because max was could be right because they didn't think max Holloway was cut they didn't want him cutting any more weight. Because Max was cutting the weight and there we go. So 24 hours notice, Al steps in and he stepped in like a stud. Let me say the whole aging out. I think it was he didn't suppose to take it down after the second round. He was supposed to fight Paul Felder a totally for three rounds. You know, three rounds kick boxer. He got taken down right away he went with him five rounds and he was what he was in there he was in there and that was it without a camp for that he was and he was fighting a three round he wasn't even getting ready for five rounds personally that fight to me I thought kind of exposed like could be a little bit like obviously he's undefeated and all that stuff but what if he would ever got in there with a dude that had a skill set of like George who could strike and he the take down. He did, he fought Justin Kaching. Justin Kaching's a dangerous motherfucker. I don't think his wrestling is the same. Even though he doesn't use his wrestling. He doesn't use it to attack, but he's hard to take down. [2:24:00] Justin's very hard to take down and could be dominated him in grappling exchanges. The thing about George is he's just much bigger. George is a big guy. George fought 85 beat Michael Bissby, right? I know he's not really an 85-er, but George at 170 is a big strong 170. 100%. And it could be the same kind of deal where like when Izzy went up and fought Yonba Hovitch. So like like you got the 185 pound champ who's a virtuoso, but he's fighting a guy that's just a lot bigger than him. He's a lot bigger. If you're not gonna have the time to prepare and get your body into a position where you're in somewhat similar range and far of strength, if you're in these crazy grappling exchanges, it's a big deal. That's what I say, is he just sucks on the ground? He's not the best on the ground. Yeah, it's a fact. Yeah. Yeah, he's not, you know, I mean, which was surprising, the first fight with with Paheda, when he gets him down, you know, crazy, and he had his back. Yeah, I mean, he could have did a lot more with that. They could have did a lot more with that. Yeah. [2:25:05] Yeah, Alex Alex's level on the ground is not good either, you know, but the thing is he's getting better at defending He's getting a lot better at defending once he gets taken down and when he's on his feet He's just a mother fucker to deal with especially as he slowed down a little bit. I don't think either of those guys are going for a take down To be honest, Jamal Hill or Alex would be more capable of taking Alex down and doing well on the ground Jamal's not lost on the ground. He just is such a good striker. He prefers to stand up. It's a fucking fun fight I know it's a fun fight. That's why I'm gonna have goose bumps before that one Here we go the whole call like that from the opening I don't understand why people were upset about that being the main event. Oh my god. They're great. Yeah, that's just dorks Yeah, what did you expect? What did you expect? What did you call me? What did you want? Yeah, what did you want? Where's Connor? Do you guys think Connor will fight this year? I think so. They keep saying he's gonna fight. They keep saying he's gonna fight. But keep pushing it back, pushing it back. I think he's gonna want to come Yeah, I think he's gonna want to come back to do something like fight and something that he loves to do [2:26:09] This though the movie curse The Tommy Morrison curse We came a movie star remember Tommy Morrison's like the man in boxing. He was the Duke He was John Wayne's grandson right or nephew with the nephew or some shit So they could call him the Duke, you know, and everybody thought he was gonna be the man. And then he fought, he did Rocky. And then after Rocky fought Ray, motherfucker. Those are hard. Oh, that might be one of the words knockouts in the history. It's not a lot of things. And it's, up in the ropes and Mercer's just teething off with bombs. Not to mention Ray Mercer knocked out Tim Silvia. Oh, yeah. That was when they agreed to be boxing only and Silvia opened up with an inside leg kick. And he said, well, look at him. [2:27:01] Bro, he was like 46 at the time When he fought in Japan who had kicked him and he just said I'm trying to remember who that was I remember with the Japan Came to American top team when I was with them He came there a few times just to kind of see with Yeah, there's a few boxers that gave it a go in kickbox Yeah, both the bench Phillips Fills fought Masato remember And he was like nah, I'm straight. No, they fought a while. He fought a while He got really lit up in the legs Yeah, real bad butter. Satoh was so good, too Yeah, what about butter butter butter bean versus kinky pseudo Yeah, kinky pseudo he hooked them right? Yeah, yeah Oh, fuck yeah, he was a good guy I [2:28:00] No, no, we I had a training session with all the Japanese guys that were going to Abu Dhabi one year I was in Japan with With Hanzo and he goes for Hanzo fighting pride So he wanted me and the car to amator to go with everybody all the Japanese guys they were filming it They were going over a Uno Romino Romino side-o Ganki Sudo they were all getting together all the Abu Dhabi team together grappling session They were gonna film stuff so he goes I want you and Ricardo to go down there. It'll be good for you And I mean I was my first time in Japan. I'm like I don't do shit, man I just want to fucking but I'm like alright fine, you know hands-over makes us you know makes go So the day before high-end did something the fucking Ricardo's legs. Oh the car to couldn't do nothing high as a violin Nothing hides the bile man. So I had to go down, so it was just me, so they were with me, but so I went with Ginky Sudo at one point. I went with all out of the guys. And it was like four minute matches from the feet. So at one point, I jumped guard and he went down, he stood up and he started going around in a circle. Like, ah, and then with your all going, ooh, I'm like, ah! Ah! Ah I open up but he goes for a leg lock. Oh my god. I got out of it, but it's fucking weird. But they all did the voice. Oh [2:29:12] Thank you as wild guy man. Ganky was supposed to be my first fight in the UFC. Oh, there's oh Remy Bonjowski Oh, he's not used to that. Yeah, he got headgigged He got hit by Josh. He's not used to that. Yeah, he got hit gg. He said that's all right. Well, Rami Bungoski was amazing. Yeah, he was and he thought he said had such an interesting style. Crazy knees. Yeah, Hey, man. We just lost Rob came in that sucks. That really sucks. That was hard. Nice guy. I worked out with that guy a lot. I trained with that guy for like Like he was very it was amazing. He was awesome. Those Dutch guys are cool, man. He's the coolest. He was the coolest. He's super cool. I did a joint seminar with him in Canada one time. He's just a cool guy. That was a head kick, great birch. Check, check please. Thank you, I'm done. I'll enjoy that. Friends, both of you did well for boxing, [2:30:02] remember? Yeah, he did, he did, he did, yeah. Yeah, he figured out how to do it a little bit and start fucking people up. Well his hands were so good. Yeah. You know, if you could have like elite hands and you could figure out the kicks, you had like a little bit of an advantage because some of those guys their boxing was not the best. Right, right, right. If you could just stay in close. I think I think the ginky pseudo get Raymond Decker also Raymond Decker got submitted. I think he did I think Because I remember I think that was his only MMA fight. I remember that guy cuz long I used to always point that guy on that was fucking Fuck you like your deckers in his prime as the wildest highlight reel of any fight There's fuck people was in assassin. He had his ankle fused. His ankle had broken so many times that his doctor He couldn't bend his ankle and his doctor was like it would give you keep kicking with that thing. We might have to remove it Fuck you wrap it back up kicking people too. He just once we got in there. He just smash He kicked through everything. He did he kicked through your arms. He kicked through your elbows [2:31:02] Ramon Decker's was a fucking machine, man. And he was a small guy. So he's fighting the elite ties that were all his weight and just peeing in people up. He was mean too. Oh, he was voracious. Yeah, just put up. He was put on a Ramon Decker highlight. He was voracious, man. He was the combinations. He was the first guy that like like perfected the dutchy that Ernesto Who's used to always do that left hook to the body right low kick? Hmm. He would hit that thing. It was a fucking thing of beauty and it was just such a fucking killer Oh, yeah, such a killer like just mean everything was hard Everything was hard every fucking strike was full power and this motherfucker just put people away It's a little bit like neat land are a little bit Strike was full power and this motherfucker just put people away A little bit bro Ramon Decker's was the fucking man his hands were so powerful too No, those are thinking he had above a lot of those guys was his punching power [2:32:07] Bro, he's trying to play down he's still trying to's on the way down. He's still trying to take off on a remote decker's bro come on son Let's see his hand in MMA after this. He's a guy he died young too So I love about your jitsu. He died young too. He died in yeah, I think he died here like a heart attack where he's riding his bike or something crazy He probably rode his bike like a fucking savage. He's right just yeah He's got everything just yeah, he got it. Everything hard. Yeah, a fucking heart attack. He was a monster man Imagine being stuck in the fucking ring with this guy. I mean him and back then there was nobody like him I mean he was just fucking everybody up and he was so mean No, look at this kicking him through the ropes like you had to stop him you had to pull him off you look dudes going down head kicks him bro Ramon Decker's. Bring on Ganky. Look at that, you can do that. That was the thing that Rob Karen was great at too, that the low kick across the front of the legs, he would step off to the left and throw that right low kick across both thighs. [2:33:01] Oh, that's a thudder Bro, Ramon, Dacres. I mean what a highlight reel. Who's fucking highlight? I know everybody gets smoked. It's all everyone just getting pieced up and The power that motherfucker had with his kicks with his punches everything. He just destroyed people But he destroyed his own body too. I mean his his ankle was completely fucked by the time his career was over What are Steven Seagal shit in that? destroyed his own body too. I mean his ankle was completely fucked by the time his career was over. What are Steven Seagal's shit in that? Doc, Doc, Doc. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the resilience loves Steven Seagal. What is he, what is he, Pato's guys to be? He'll hang out with me. No, I think Anderson had a great sense of humor. And I think Anderson loved those movies when he was a kid and it was first like, when I met Chuck Norris, I was like, oh my God, I'll meet Chuck Norris. I hug Chuck Norris, wow, this is Chuck Norris. So for Anderson, it might have been like, the fucking, the first one, what was the first one above the law? Above the law? Bro, that was good movie. That was a good fucking movie. [2:34:01] Everybody liked that. That movie was legit legit so if Anderson fell in love with that Steven Segarle would make sense Out for justice now for justice wasn't everybody seen Bobby Lupo The mob was allegedly sponsoring his movies he had like a mix up with the mob was allegedly sponsoring his movies. He had like a mix up with the mom. The mom was involved in financing his moves. Like, Steven, I'm a little bit of you understand. Oh my shit. He should show him how to grab him by the nose. This what you do, just grab him by the nose. Imagine telling Anderson Silva, when you get in the clinch, just grab him by the nose. Watch this, take him down, grab his nose. What the fuck are you saying? He's saying he's giving him coaching. It's adorable and Anderson's listening. But the thing is like Anderson might be able to take something from some of this. That's true. Yeah, that's right. Isn't it creative, right? Remember when he hit Tony Frickling with that step in upward elbow? And you know that he had to train that away from his coaches because his coaches told him to stop drilling that. [2:35:01] You're not going to use that. Really? Stop drilling that you're not gonna use that really and so he made his wife hold pillows So his wife would hold pillows even step in and throw that elbow No kidding. Yeah, and then he did it on purpose just to show them fuck you. Yeah, I can do this shit And this was then this is when Anderson before he came over to the UFC look at this boom Oh, that's is that when he got his head split bro come on. No, they just he came out of Oh, that's is that when he got his head split bro come on no, they just he came But bro Anderson in those days when he was fighting in England That's when he became Anderson so when he came over to the UFC to fight Chris Lieben I was like everybody hang on yeah We fought me and Dean Thomas Ford on that card. It was the it was the tough for finale It was the it was the tough for finale. Yeah, it was Chris Leibin didn't get close to one man. That was Bro, that was cool in it. That end rich Frank. Yeah, both rich Brutalized. Brutalized those guys, but that was that was an Anderson became Anderson You know like when we fought Rio Tonan and pride and Rio Tonan flying Cisisord him into a hill. He'll remember that. [2:36:05] It wasn't as good back then. Right. He was just, there was something missing and then he goes to England and then he finds himself. And then he starts fucking everybody up. Jorge Rivera. Jorge, yeah for sure. He remember when Jorge stood right in front of him, let him punch him in the face. I mean, it on a planet man. He was he was he was being buried. They're leaving. He's marrying. He's being buried dangerous. I was at the club that night that Lee Murray got into that fight with Tito. Where is he? You there? Did you see it? It was in London. Did you see the fight? It was in London on Manchester. There was that. Where the fuck was that? It was London. It was London. Because he beat he beat up Tito and Tito say I remember you shoot up to me. Yeah, slippery shoes. First of all, when you're looking to do his eyes, cause he was talking to me in the club. And he's like, yeah, you like the Jiu-Jitsu? I can't do the accent. But he's like, yeah, I like Jiu-Jitsu. He's asking me about my, he says, yeah, you like the Jiu-Jitsu? I like to fucking knocked out Tito, dropped Tito. He was a real gangster. [2:37:06] Yeah, a real gangster. I was just like, Imagine a guy that's that good at MMA and fighting is actually a real bank robbery. I know. Because he fucked a lot of people up, man. They did like a little mini documentary on that. I don't know if it's Show time or HBO or who it was could have been on Netflix. I wasn't guy Richie gonna do a film about that he would have it which is crazy yeah they should have did that much of fighters put on tactical gear and robbed 50 million dollars had love as mural in his house and he is a mural in his house of submitting This awesome show time is here last year. Oh, that's a story that you're lighting. It was last year It came out just came out. Oh, it's a mini series. Oh, so someone There you go. It was this lean. This guy richy. Oh, it says guy richy's making a movie. No, no. It says Snark. Oh, is he his? [2:38:06] It does not say he is. It says he's not. It says he's not. It says he's catching lightning. It just does more like Don DeMari. Guy Richie's got to take his coach and people like that. I don't know if you mean. People that were around when the ice happened said something about it. Well, I'm probably lying again. I'm probably spreading more misinformation. Contaminated. It was trailer, it would probably say Guy Rich's name right on it. Oh, so this is a documentary? Documentary. Oh, it's a documentary series. Oh, well that's got to be really interesting. That's what I want to see. This is the real thing. This Oh beautiful. So that was out April 7th. Yeah, check it out. It's out right now. Oh, okay And it's called catching lightning. Yep. So I will check that out for sure. It was good It's a crazy story man, but he was a real elite fighter. He was a dangerous knockout striker. Yeah He's got some showtime [2:39:00] My wife is the one that like showed me that it was on we watched it was good I sign fight live Well obviously in the hurry to verify but I saw him fight live against Amir ran of Arty oh Yeah, he was a fucking killer dude. He was a killer. That's Lee Murray was a dangerous dude. He got bucks Dangerous dangerous puncher. He had something when When I remember, and this was, I mean, shit, that was when I seen him at that club. I mean, when was that early 2000s? And I seen something in his eyes. You can tell me. Do you remember when he got stabbed in a knife fight and then was in the hospital almost dead and then hit and pad six weeks later? Oh my God. I don't. Yeah. So, so Lee Murray, I think it's like I legitimately think it was like six to eight weeks after getting stabbed if I remember correctly He was hitting mitts And I was like this is the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life So you can find that because it was a video that I reason it wasn't like that he was tearing the mitts up But he was hitting his after getting stabbed in the heart in the heart in the heart [2:40:08] Bro, I mean you got stabbed a bunch of times that's crazy should have died and lived and then next thing he's hitting mitz and then after those planning a bank robbery what a fucking crazy fucking man yeah you'll see you on the documentary like they kind of show they kind of say he's not you know he inked the mastermind he like set him up to be that guy oh the mastermind i wouldn't think you'd the mastermind of the organization That's a guy They were in it's I mean it's pretty crazy and it wasn't at the largest amount of money like in stolen and British history or something like that How did they catch him how they know who did it? I mean? I'm gonna ruin the doc you matter. Okay, don't don't yeah Um, does there a video of him hitting the pads after being stabbed in the heart See if you can find that cuz it's so crazy. I was on YouTube ability. Does this thing does all of my spin this thing out? You spit it out okay? Yeah, it gets a little chewy have another one. Yeah, get in there sir. Thank you [2:41:03] Now Yeah, get in there, sir. Thank you junkie. Now, where's that cat will you shit? Let's go Go Give me a zin. Give me a zin. Good. Thank you, bro. Let's go. Let's go Ready to revive for round three. Zin. Do you remember when Panamal Lewis gave Aaron prior? Yeah, green one. Get the one I missed. Not that one yet, the other one I missed. And then he came out, woo! Yeah. Do you guys remember when Craig Hardy wanted somebody to give him a fucking, never mind? What? Craig Hardy to the rest of the day. No, no. He told everybody, I should have brought him up. But no, no, he told everybody forgot I shouldn't bring it up. But no, but No, I What I Greg Hardy was fighting and he goes man, I need my own hella so his corner guy He must have been new to the UFC because I was Dean Did I'm sorry? Oh, you were fighting Greg Hardy no Greg Hardy was fighting Dean was corner. I'm gonna. Oh Greg Hardy was fighting. He was cornering me. Yes, oh Greg Hardy, the heavyweight guy. [2:42:06] Oh Jesus Christ. You sought her approved. I asked, I asked the dude. He said, yeah, you sought her approved. Who handed it to him? I handed it to him. How many of you? Not you sought her approved? No, it's not. Oh boy, the guy can't. I mean, yeah. But the reality if if a dude fights when asthma you would think he'd be cleared to use this fucking inhaler right but what is the inhaler do for you it opens your lungs do it would it be beneficial for someone who doesn't have asthma yeah yeah yeah and he could use it but it nobody has asthma and he got cleared to have it in the back uh... he thought he thought he was able to have it in the corner so when I asked a guy I say can he have this he said yeah I think so so I gave it to him well Sorry to bring that up You know it's complicated because the rules keep shifting Right rules and different things are all different so yeah, but what but 100% but what the but the testosterone rule was the craziest rule [2:43:07] Of all the rules that have ever existed in UFC when they started giving people testosterone I know that was that was the yeah, that was the crazy. That was there were there were wild West days Oh, yeah, we could take whatever they wanted what years was that where they were just allowed the guys for those good question I want to say it's like What did what year did a and the big ground cold fight V Tor Came back a different man when he would yeah man look different physics way different Yup Luke Rockhole said I was looking at this guy at the way and going what the fuck is he on? Just like a fucking silver back what the fuck is he on? His veto is just like a fucking silverback. Just, ah! I mean, when he first came on the scene, he was like, two 20-head traps up. Oh, yeah. Well, the first came on the scene, I was there for his first fight. UFC 12 in Dothin, Alabama. And no one knew what to expect because everybody thought that V-Tor was a Carlson Gracie blackts, so they expected him to just be a grab of Jitzinger. But he came out with them Brazilian fucking model shorts on [2:44:07] and the MMA gloves and just tuned up tray talisman. Victor Gracie. Yeah, that's what we called him back then. We called him Victor. I was at his school when he was training back then. I was at Carlson Gracie's in 97. That's part of how the reason I got this gig. You know, it's funny. He, I interviewed him once and he mentioned that. Did you use to train there? Yeah. I train there in 96. That's when I started training there. Dude, when he, when he killed Vanderlei in that, Oh yeah. When Vanderlei was a savage too. Yeah. Then just people didn't know yet. He came out with wrestling shoes on. Yeah. He came out, like, remember, he was, like, almost like he was freezing him. He was in, like, Vandale was in waiting. Avar Romano, you know, to got a genostic a natural route. Yep. He used to be, like, I guess, part of the Carlson team. And he said, like, Vandale was pissed because he thought, uh, Veter was in the back, trying to freeze him out. [2:45:05] And what Alvaro said was that Vita was petrified, said he was in the back was crying, and they had to make him go out there, and he went out there and machine gunned Vanderlei across the cage, like so crazy. And it was terrifying. Not that. I heard that story, right? So I had as a journalist with integrity, I had to ask him about it. He said that he had stomach problems. Is he gonna admit?? No, I know. That's the same thing I thought. That's the same thing I thought. That's the same thing I thought. But I had to ask him about it. Well, you had in 2013. So it was 2013. So 11 years ago, they were juicing. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, we know something happened because he made an excuse. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Stubbing Promo. Yeah, he said he had a stomach problem. How many years they had TRT for? Like when did it start? That's a question for the whiskey, right? Yeah. Dan Henderson was on that shit, right? Yeah, but not for a while. He was on like later. He wasn't, I don't think you, and he was on a low dose of it. guy when he got off of it. He couldn't train his heart, I think he said. But he knocked out Hector Lombard after he got off of it. [2:46:07] That was post-TRT days. He was still fucking people up. Remember when he knocked out Fador? Oh yeah. Dan Henderson knocked out Fador. Yeah, he ducked on Dirty. I remember, he snuck out the back door and hit him with that fucking hendo right hand. Woo. Right hand from the bisming knockout was the craziest. The craziest because he gave him the little the craziest the flying punch and that became his logo. I know. And after after watching tough and bisming, you know, he's a look. I like Michael Bisming And he's a he's an instigating motherfucker and he was on him the whole time Yeah, so you almost were happy. Yeah, you know at that point that Dan got his revenge But now I work with bisming man. I like him a lot Watching that clip because I like him so much. You don't want to see your boy [2:47:01] Yeah, you guys rough watching the guy get hammered in the face after he's out cold. Yeah. That's a real one. That guy's, I mean, I like, I like this thing when he was on tough. Like when he came up, like he was obviously a talented guy and wound up becoming a world champs. He's a solid guy. Very solid guy. And we should mention match I got fucking hiccups. Oh yeah, they uh he won the match versus uh no for for the title when he was a champion. That's right. That's right. That's right. Did he have one more at that point? Yep. He had one eye at that one. Not well how about the craziest one was when he beat Anderson and then he gets his mouthpiece knocked out. He's pointing to the referee to get his mouthpiece back and Anderson hits it with a fly in the and walk off. Yeah. Like it's a walkoff KO and then they didn't call it because it was like the end of the fight And bisming it wasn't like John McCarthy was doing the the referee, right? Wasn't John thinks so and then they didn't was it herba was a John I can't That point it might have been her I think I think it was her But I think it fight wasn't over they had another round They fight was not over because they thought it was Anderson thought he KOed him Yeah, he hit him with that fly and he and dropped him and walked away like it was walk away K. Oh, yeah, and then the fight kept going and he jumped on the cage [2:48:09] He thought it was over yeah, but meanwhile was like this being was blind in one eye Yeah, so this being when he's pointing to see where he could see he probably could even fucking see it come spread Look at first goddamn eye and see it comes. Predator, look at verse God damn I. What a Jesus. Wow. Oh, how many fights? So here he said he fought. How many? Boom. And then he walks away. And then he does that over. He goes, what the fuck? I think he just said what the fuck? Man mentally, too. Right. And come from that adrenaline, don't. Right. Meanwhile, bisismink survived how tough is this motherfucker one eye and survived? She's a savage Crazy right and by the way that left eye that's fucked up. That's the good. I that's the good. I that's the good I that's the eye he can see out of And he comes back and he wins the fifth round which is bananas man [2:49:02] Just fucking bananas and even the wind the title and this thing had to be he had to be Luke Rock old. And Luke Rock old took him out the first time. And he beat him on short notice. There's another very short notice fight. One of my favorite moments is right before they were going to fight. Luke was going to him. And he's like, what's that buddy? And he goes, like, he doesn't want to touch hands like I touch in a minute motherfucker He's okay. Yeah, I touch you in a minute motherfucker It was great his podcast was a wild victory. He's good. He's entertaining. Yeah, he's a fun guy Yeah, he you know, he's got an interesting perspective about this Mike Tyson Jake Paul thing You know cuz even though bisping will has one eye he's been trying to get Jake Paul to fight him Which is kind of crazy? Would they allow that a guy has one eye, he's been trying to get Jake Paul to fight him, which is kind of crazy. What's a nice paycheck? Would they allow that? A guy with one eye to fight? I don't know. I don't think so. They should. They should. They could do a little bit. What do you think about this Mike Tyson, Jake Paul thing? Do you think it's crazy? It's always hard to say, because you know he's got, he has the ability to drop him on his ass at any time, but look, I think I'm gonna [2:50:07] get in touch or two his favor. We getting tricked by watching Padwork. We're getting tricked. I mean, that's a fact. But if you look at the Padwork, it's little three to five seconds burst. Right. It's not one round. If he was doing that in all one round, I go, oh oh yeah, yeah. But I mean, anybody could put that together. Right, but also he's just starting to train again. Right? But still, there's like day one, two minutes. Yeah. Those videos, he's literally saying day one. He has the question, how was his fight with Roy Jones? I didn't see it. Well, how was it? I think they had an agreement. Not to punch that. Exactly. He was He wasn't trying to get hit in his head. So he had like a pre-arranged thing where he was not a man. It looked like Mike was not trying to knock him out. That's what it looked like. The fight will be in exhibition, but it'll be real fight rules. I think this is when he was on for the Kennedy. Yeah, 16 ounce gloves and only two minute rounds. Like that's the Mike's favorite. Yeah, that's it. You know, two two rounds for sure. Cause that was my biggest thing. Like if he doesn't get him in the first couple rounds, [2:51:06] what kind of guess is he gonna have at his age? I don't know. See, here's the thing. It's at his age with a lot of supplements. Yeah, yeah. You know, look, I hope he wins. Yeah. God forbid. I don't, if it was just a regular. Not a nut. 57 year old dude with not modern hormone replacement and all that jazz I'd go He doesn't have a chance But 57 years old with just juice to the tits and Jake did you know like I don't know man like what are the rules? Like what are the rules like what are you allowed to do because if you just allow him to do whatever he wants to do It's a chance it's an exhibition their drug testing email response from the Texas licensing commission The promoter is requested to to have an event that day we not received any proposed cards and thus have no details of what they're planning and that will affect the possible rules all ballots are subject to review and approval by TDLR please let me know if you needed any other information. Okay so it's [2:52:02] not necessarily carved in stonia they might not approve it. If a lot of people Protests maybe are they doing it in Texas? I think it's gonna be it. I mean they were trying to do it at AT&T stadium Like that's crazy if Tyson dies right? Oh my god. Yeah, see if you have something like that if you look if that'll be the end of the Right the ad experiments. Let's imagine it in in a different way right? Let's not imagine that Mike Tyson is fighting Jake Paul. Let's imagine Mike Tyson is fighting some young, like really powerful knockout artists who's a contender. Probably one of those. Well guess what? Jake Paul could be that guy if we didn't think of him as Jake Paul. If you look at the people he knocks dead, when he knocked dead Tyron Woodley with one punch, that's it. I was there fucking crack. Yeah, I was I mean honestly so like that's what I'm saying exactly But you're saying we don't want to give him credit because it's Jake Paul exactly But we got a we got to wake up and realize that he's still 27 young and for the last four five six seven years He's had your best coaches working with him one-on-one now We wouldn't be thinking that if it wasn't Jake Paul he couldn't do it. Right. So you're right about that. [2:53:06] And he's dedicated. And if he was just some wild young dude coming up knocking people out knocking out former MMA champions like Tyron we would go whoa keep it on this kid. This guy might be something someday like he's on the way up. And a Tyson grew up in this sport. 100% but he's also 57. And I think he's also 57 and he's gonna be 58. Yeah, he'll be 58 of this only fight, which is my question. How do you how do you think like Jake Paul? All the guys he's fought are much smaller than him. Whether you want people want to say so or not. Ben Askerin fought his life at 70, right? 55 and 70 pounder. You know Tyron 70 pounder. So this guy's walking around well over 200, 55 and 70 pounder, you know, Tyron 70 pounder. So this guy's walking around well over 200, cut into 85 for these fights. You know, this is finally a dude, like he didn't hurt like the Tommy Fury dude. He didn't hurt Nate really during the fight. I thought Nate's inactivity, like he didn't really get busy [2:54:01] and he really got a fucked up shoulder going on. All right, well then that would make sense because he didn't really get busy and they're really out of fucked up shoulder going. All right. Well, then that would make sense because you didn't really throw. That's what I heard. But that might not be true. You know, so how's he gonna handle, again, age is the factor, but you know, a big, strong, too many rounds ain't bad. I'm saying, too many rounds aren't bad. And just be competitive. But they do have them on the right mixture. How do you pass drug tests? How does that work? I mean, does there a drug test on an exhibition? I don't know. That's a good question. Because if there's not, he fucking hog. Yeah, I know, right? That's the only way drugs is the only way I think he's competitive. Right. We have to obvious. If he just looking him though, he has to be on some kind of hormone. He looks pretty, pretty fucking yoked. He looks pretty yoked. What a comeback since the hangover, huh? He was a fucking guy. I mean, right? I mean, I got big for a while. Oh, yeah, yeah. When he was doing the one-man show and all. It sucks when you're fat. Well, I've you guys never had a goal. I've got both Tyson's on the podcast. I had Tyson when he's big when he wasn't training at all. [2:55:07] And I said to him, you don't work out at all. He goes, I'm afraid I'll ignite my ego. Oh man, that's terrifying. And that's what happened is he ignited that thing and said when he came back for the Roy Ja, it was two different interviews. Two different humans. Yeah, he was way more intense way. I mean terrifying Probably and you can imagine up Anastro How you say I'm again You gotta be in that mindset though when you get ready to fight though're in a different mindset. The thing is, if he's physically capable of recapturing 70% of what he used to do, just dealing with that, just dealing with that with probably 90% of the power, 70% of the physical ability and 90% of the power, because the power's not gone. You see it when he hits a bag, [2:56:01] he's still at the power. The power's there, 100%. But he's added a bunch of back issues. He had real bad sciatica. When the problems walk and stuff. He's walking along with the cane. So who knows what they've done stem cells? I'm sure he's with the right people. Like, even at 57, you can make a lot of money if Mike Tyson's the YouTube kid. Yeah, I know. And the path to beat Mike always was long dudes that had a good jab later in his career when he wasn't moving his head anymore. So I don't know if Jake can keep Mike off with his jab. We're gonna see. But Jake could grab him and you know, rank, I mean that's what he does. Good, he rank those guys. Tyson's people are gonna be in the back saying, don't let him wrestle us. He'll be wrenching those fucking arms the way he used to. Fuck out here. I just want you to get to it. If Tyson can have a flashback to the glory days, there's just like a moment where he just, we got a layin' I'm laying one sees a combination and empties it on them. That would be wild to watch. [2:57:06] Yeah, if Jake the herd, I mean, he's got to be there to get hurt. I know he's not exactly Muhammad Ali in it. Exactly. And if Tyson can still move his head, like he used to move his head. Now, the thing about lower backs though, if you got a lower back problem, you got to kind of like save that prime, go back and watch some of those early days. He's just common attitude. He was just moving. There's just so much to, just so much to calculate. The bombs are coming your way and you're trying to hit up with jabs with a- The custom auto Tyson was the whole problem. The head movement. People forgot how hard he was to hit. His head movement was sick. That's what stopped later in his career. I mean, really, that was a big difference. Exactly. And I think that coincided with back problems. I just, and he also had neck problems. I believe he had a neck surgery, because you know, he used to do a lot of those wrestling bridges and neck, dude. Oh my God. And you gotta think of how many dudes, like Len teed off on his noggin. Evander Holyfield just teeing off on his noggin. What is that doing to your neck? [2:58:06] That can't be good. But my whole thing is this, man, like, if we saw with V Tor Belford and Evander Holyfield, if that's any indication, and V Tor was 45. Right. But I mean, it was burned on the shoulder. I know. My problem is so is Jake. Yeah, you maybe he's not but either either way He's got natural testosterone. Yeah, why aren't you just shooting a movie? What? Oh, yeah That's what yeah, what you do? I'm shooting a movie with Denzel no No, no I call myself then I'm saying, then stop. No, no. No, I call myself then. I'll be at my dance level. Yeah, I'm going to have to independent film. I'm doing an LA right now. Yeah, so. Nice. Don't get stuck. I'm going to get stuck. No, no, no, no. No, stay at night, man. LA, I don't like LA, but. It's a city that's abandoned. Yeah, San Francisco. We're placed. Oh, they're all fucked. [2:59:05] And it happens so quick. It makes me wonder like, what is that gonna be like in five years? Everybody got out of here, huh? Look how quick San Francisco got cleaned up. When Gigi Pink came in and showed up. It's amazing. I'm right back to it. I was saying, if I was the mayor of San Francisco, I'd just buy Come stay whenever you're here. They're gonna clean the streets right this one have fucking take care of them when he came into town for a conference They cleaned up the streets everything everything the guys all the homes put barriers put barriers. I'm get up on air Yeah, yeah, they clean and then they put the news exactly what Gavin Newsom said that was so hilarious He said well when guests come over you clean up your house like bitch keep your house clean when guests come over you clean up your house like bitch keep your house clean you're not human shit all over the floor of your house that's crazy he's a psychopath he can lie to your face without even blinking an eye so weird to watch him do it too it's like like 1980s roadhouse line for real you know it's not even good he's the one that got caught eating out [3:00:01] he's like well I've been bad, you got me or something like that. He was like, you shouldn't really do that. And I was, you know, my bad. He's like, dude, you fucking slide. He's so slick and he looks like a guy who could be president. And we're dumb. We're like, oh, if I get talks good, he looks like he's like, he's an American psycho. He does. He does. But it's like you know if he says the right things and talks the right way look to hide in one site with a smile and you're good by the one in these barely live so yeah i'd rather carry crews from idiotic carry crews could win right now yeah what i know if you ran with that with a great everybody loves to work for a great catering yet was but you know the wildest shit. The rock told me. Did he told it on the podcast that they called him and contacted him about running for president? Yeah, thanks. Wasn't on the podcast? I think you did some both sides. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, they contacted him and asked him if he wanted to run. The rock. What? That's a deocracy. I mean, for sure. [3:01:05] How about he could win? I know. I would probably vote for him. I would probably vote for him. The mean to do is discipline. I'm the guy, Jack president. Yeah. You want some of my, I want to say. I'm gonna say where every other president has to step aside. Yes. I'm just a rocket's here. Yep. The Rock Johnson details how political party has to run for president. Yeah, on my podcast, it's hilarious. Yeah, in that wild dude asked him to run for president. He knows for the Democrats for sure. Yeah. And if he did win, I mean, he's brought you by. Take cover, select him. There we go. That is the president. Come on, son. If the rock won and then came out like that, that was the name of it. Imagine if the rock won and came out without outfit on. Can I just say if anybody out there has not seen idiochercy, they should watch that. Oh my God, it's so good. It holds up. Mike Judges. He's got a genius. He's got a space. Beavis and Butthead. [3:02:00] Everything. I had everything. My judge the man. Yeah, office space. King of the hill. King of the hill. He's the man. Mike judges the man. He's a great guy too. He lives out here. That's why I had to be at him on unfiltered once. And the fact that he knew one of my fights as I knew, I'm like, I can't be in one people like, no, like, I don't get impressed with guys in Hollywood and stuff, but I fucking love all this space and all this shit When I like somebody's work, I'm like, no, no, no, he's just a regular dude. He's a real cool guy He's a fan like a real fan of MMA. He loves fights love I met him a years ago too He's been coming to the fights for a long fucking time. It comes in a fight, too Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met him at the fights. It's the first time I ever met him. Was he a comedian as well or was he just a writer? I don't think he did stand up. I might be mistaken. I mean, I don't know. He's hilarious to it though. And what's upsetting is these movies that they become like cult classics. Like I don't think idiotic or office space. I might be movies made money? Do you think they made money? They made money. [3:03:05] Yeah, I don't know about this. It was pretty big. And then you got to think about all the DVD sales and all the street sales. Well, that's the difference. I don't think it made a big theater. I'm not sure. I don't think you did. I think you made it. Yeah, that's a funny movie. You can't get them today. They don't make them anymore. They don't make those wild insane funny something about Mary type movie You can't now somebody somebody's always gonna get offended Stores put out a quite a few Tropic thunder is one of the all-time great comments. I'm telling you. Could not make it to that. A lot of the humor was different back then. You were allowed to actually be funny. You were very ricky. Yeah, man. God damn it was a girl. Top clothes, you're witchcraft. Yeah. They don't even make funny movies anymore. It's like, no, like, such a judgmental world [3:04:03] that we live in now. Everybody's trying to attack things and take people down It's just so stupid in the beginning and hang over um Your friends. That's so immature already Paging doctor of fact it He said they're like I just you know miss silly. It's a silliness, you know, but you can't uh people need more silliest They do 100% do we all do you You know, that's why this is fun That shit was great. That's why four of us getting together. So we need a name We could take that name I think we're the fucking Cox. Why not? It's a funny thing to go yourself I think we're the fucking Cox. Why not? It's a funny thing to call yourself. Just take that thing. You know why? Because you think we would come up with something like a former horseman. Yeah, but no, a former horseman. Fuck you, Rougan. Fuck you. You were right down the group text. I'm gonna wait until he says that. It's a video. Yeah. [3:05:00] The Bulldogs. Yeah, what are we? I think the cucks is a perfect dog is funny. It's funny. It's like calling me tall or something We're talking shit right from the jump. Yeah, you know, that's what you can't take a show seriously It's called cucks. Yeah, definitely mad. So I want to see that in an episode of the Joe We're gonna experience called cucks You got to protect your box then you got called cucks. Yeah. What the fuck? You got to protect your pucks, then you got the cucks. Yeah. I like it. I like it. So that's it for now. We'll put a book mark on it. We'll have to think about it. You might get home, wake up in the middle of the night, and go, I can't beat a cock. No, no, I'm all in on Cux. For the record to get it. I feel like Cux is it. It came to being a dream. Pure pressure. If it stays in here, it's fine. My school, somebody goes, hey, Professor Cuck. I'm gonna burn it. I'm gonna burn it. He's getting burned. He's getting burned. He's gonna take a show. It It's not happening. I like it. You know? [3:06:06] Gentlemen, give everybody, follow your Instagram and ground control. Yep. Ground Control is groundcontrolbottomare.com. My fight promotion, showgunfights.com. And that's a great show too. Showgun. You guys are watching showguns. Sick man. God, yeah. I love that show It's good. Yeah, it's great the reading the subtitles You know it's in and out but they speaking was to I'm gonna watch it. I watch it I watch the yellows go but they get too much into the the it's a good show I like it, but then they do stuff just for the Midwest and people I don't give a fuck about that They play the he-harm music and they're like You want to watch it? I'm forwarded at 1883 I watched it I watched 1883 and I watched 1923 They were both broke I'm waiting for the next 1923 to come out You see that? [3:07:00] When the one gets back from Africa? Which one was from one or 24? Yeah, it's really good. I mean, they're both good. I thought that one was, I like that one. And then both gray, 1883 is fucking amazing too. But it's over, it's over. Oh, yeah. Taylor shared it. Oh, yeah, he's a great guy. Dude, the car in here is maybe one of the second though the 1883. Yeah, but that's what it likes. That was like that. That was a brutal existence. Even in 1923, I like when they start coming up with the, oh, that's a... For sure. Yeah, exactly. Even the ones that are resisting it, they're like, well, I don't have to get one of those washing machines or something like that. It's like just coming out. They're like, look, I want to keep it like, like, to our traditions, but listen, I gotta get that dishwasher. It's like weird, like, it's like when it's just coming out, it's very cool. Good shit. All right, so Shogun fights, the ground control. And that B more MMA is Instagram. Dean, catch me at the next karate combat, Joe Schilling and Luke Rock, hold taking the, yeah. [3:08:00] That's right. When is that happening? April 20th April 20th. 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