#2150 - Greg Overton

What's up? What's up, man? Good to see you, my friend. I'm doing good to see you. Pull up to the microphone so other people can hear. People can hear me and see me. Have you ever done a podcast? Yeah, you have done a podcast. I've listened to you on podcast. I've done. Oh you do? Yeah listen to you on some pot. I was shooting arrows in my backyard and some podcast came up and it's a Greg over time. I'm like get the fuck out of here. My man. See I'm doing all kinds of shit. Yeah. My boy Justin who's from Pittsburgh. What's up Justin? He does the Curious Jones podcast and we also do those zippos. He does those so lit zips Curious Jones podcast. He's cool dude. We got one of those right here. Yeah the black dragon the samurai Yeah, this is the samurai that we have outside next to the did you see the actual samurai armor? Yeah Crazy and the sword and the sword. The sword is even old in the armor. The armor is from the 1800s but the sword is from the 1500s. So is that that's right before the Sengoku Gdai the time of the country at war the 300 years where they're at war. I'm trying to think that it began in the 1500s. I don't. Can you look that up, those? Sin Goku G die. Pull that microphone up. Keep it like a fist from your face. There you go. Yeah. All right. So I first found out about, I don't even remember what year it was, man. I remember I was with my family. I was in Salt Lake and we were walking by this gallery and there was this fucking dope painting. It's huge painting of this Native American guy with a buffalo skull that had a bullet hole in the head. And I was like, God, Dan, I was trying to figure out where can I put that, where can I put that fucking thing? And I snoozed, I snoozed and I lose. And then he got a lot of fun. [2:01] That's what I do lose. That was the, you know. But that dude is an interesting story. And I'll just tell you like, I had, I was shown with this other gallery for a long time that that same painting was like in the back room and they weren't really giving me my props, which is what people will do if they just wanna kinda keep you at a certain level. They'll, They do that to keep your prices down? They do that so you don't leave the gallery so you don't get too big for the gallery. Oh, so you don't go off on your own like you did. But no, I'm loyal as fuck dude, I'm still at the galleries that were cool. You know what I mean? If the people hook me up, I'm gonna hook them up, I'm gonna stay there, you know You know what I mean? But I just wasn't getting my due at this other gallery, so I decided how long have you been painting for at the time? I mean, professionally, I think about 16 years. Wow. But I've been doing it since I was a kid, semi-professionally. Just always. Yeah, always doing art. And when did you get, I wanna say obsessed, [3:02] that's the right word, right? When I was born. With Native American culture. Yeah. Well, I mean, from the time you were little. There was books in my grandparents' house. Like, one of them was called Fighting Indians of the West. And then there was like, uh, Russell and Remington books, the painters. Uh-huh. And so I just look at these photos of like, sitting bull and, bull and I'm gonna say crazy horse but no photos of crazy horse but like Geronimo and shit like that and I just saw a look in there. I like a wild person. Somebody who wasn't trapped by the system. You know what I mean? And as a little kid I just knew that was I knew that was better. I knew it was powerful. I just really loved that culture. Just connected to it. Yeah. It is so fascinating that so many Native Americans who got captured and put into the reservation systems then eventually like integrated with Western culture, [4:00] fucking hated it. But when Western people, either when they were young, if they got kidnapped, or if they integrated with the tribes, like a lot of trappers and a lot of people integrated with the tribes, when they tried to bring them back to Western society, they all wanted to leave. They're like, get me the fuck out of here. I don't want to do this. It's like, we have this idea that cities, and especially back then, I mean you're talking about cities in the 1800s, that somehow or another it was better. We always have the idea that progress in terms of like what's going on right now is better than what was going on before. We always have that in our head that we're doing it there. It doesn't seem to ring true to the human spirit. There's something about human beings that they absolutely prefer that life Yeah, I mean it's dude you are more of a human being if you're living that life If you're living a life in a city where you have to go do something you don't want to do and you have to go hang out with people [5:05] You really it's like your tribe is your tribe you belong there is a totally just simpler better more real way of life. I think that thing that you just said too about your tribe because Too many people today their tribe is not someone they chose their tribe is just people that they're stuck with because they're working with them. You know, if you're working, like if you're a, say if you're a married person, you're a married couple and you both work. You're both with other people at least eight hours a day. How long are you together? You're together for a few hours at night and then you go to sleep. Yeah. You're tired. It's not a quality way of life. What's not the people you chose is the people that your occupation chose or the opportunity for employment chose. And then you got to deal with these fucking schmucks in your office. I've been very fortunate. [6:00] I never had a work in an office my whole life. A dodged office life. But I've had a lot of people that are worked with the right fucking annoying man Just they just got in your way they're always there There is the fucking imposing their bullshit on you and if you're a person that works in an office Especially if you have a bunch of bosses the boss employee relationship is so often abused It's such an abusive The boss employee relationship is so often abused. It's such an abusive place to be where you have this person that gets to tell you what to do and make you sometimes work on weekends and make you like stay over time and upset at you if you do X, Y or Z, which has no, forces you to have the same ideological beliefs as them, forces you to have the same political beliefs as them. Crazy, dude, reminds me of that movie, Office Space. Yes, exactly. That's why I think our country is almost like, right now, is that motherfucker Milton? [7:00] You remember him? Who's like, they're always kind of pushing him to the side, seeing how much shit he'll put up with a stapler guy, right? That's Steven root. Yeah, that's my man where he's he's just like Put how much shit will these motherfuckers put up with yeah, and that's your that's your life in an office But you're and your taught as a kid going to high school like if you do a good job here You get to have an office job. That's what you're fucking shooting for. Yeah. And then you're working all day at school to try to do that. It's very complicated, man. Trying to get through the education aspect of your childhood and the indoctrination aspect, because that's what it is. It's indoctrinating you into believing that the only way that you can get by in this life is to become a part of this exact same system. So, this is why school is structured like that. I mean, it's structured like that to teach you, but it's also structured like that where you're sitting down in front of people all day long learning things that you don't want to learn, being forced to be [8:01] immobile when you're a child and you're literally just a hummingbird of energy. I don't know. Those little desks. Yeah, it's so bad for you. Inside fluorescent lights when I was a kid, terrible for you, the whole thing bad for you. Bad feeling. I couldn't wait to run away from it. Everything, every fiber of my being was opposed to it, but they had everyone convinced that if you didn't do this this way, you're going to be a fucking loser. And that's what I was convinced. I was convinced I was going to be a loser. So I was like, I got to figure out a way to make money outside of regular jobs because I'm a fucking loser. I can't do a regular job. I got to do a loser job. I have to be a loser. I have to be a construction worker. I have to do something else. I have to do something that's outside the norm because I just, I can't fucking do this. I can't sit down. I can't, I have too much energy. I'm so bored. And it's also a terrible way to learn things. Like the best way to learn things is things you enjoy. [9:01] Things you enjoy. And then if you learn that you do something that you enjoy and you really get good at it you go oh I can apply that to everything I can apply that to all things but they don't teach you that they teach you you got a fucking sit still you got to pay attention you got to memorize some nonsense you got to do some shit do these fucking calculations that make no sense to you like you got to you got to memorize these fucking calculations that make no sense to you? Like you gotta memorize these fucking people, a distorted version of the actual history, you know, which is almost always what they're teaching. Some weird distortion written by the winners. Yeah. And if you don't do that, you're a loser. We have such a goofy society. Yeah, that's, but dude, we made it and we fucking, we were born into it. Well, I mean, we, like our ancestors made it. But I think they were, maybe they were trying to do the right thing. Maybe they had good intentions. Maybe we don't know. But it turns out it's fucking stupid. Why do we keep doing it? I think it's industry tricked everybody. [10:01] Industry gave people jobs, jobs are easy. You know, you need to feed people, you need to eat, you need to have a roof over your head. Okay, here's a job this way I can get a roof over my head, especially these people that came over like my grandparents did. They came over from Italy. It's like these fuck it. They didn't know what the hell was going on. They didn't know what was going on, you know everybody gets a job. You gotta get a job. And I'm gonna get the go, get a job, get a job, you gotta eat. Because the reality of life then, in the 1920s, everybody was fucking starving to death. People were starving, do the way to 100 pounds. No one had food. It was a real possibility that you could starve to death in America. People like real poor, real poor in like the 1920s. And so they all just did it, and now we're still doing it. And everyone's fucking miserable. And then everyone gets to, not everyone, obviously you're not miserable, I'm not miserable. Well like the people that have dodged it. Everyone stuck in that trap, it's miserable. They fucking hate their bosses, they hate the corporation. [11:00] Can't wait to get out and talk shit about them? And they're like their pissed off and people that got out of it. Oh yeah. Or people that are free of it. They don't like people that are free of it. I was having this conversation with my kids about like podcasters and influencers. They were talking about this girl. She's making millions of dollars. And that's not. Here's how you have to think about that. It seems ridiculous that she's doing that, but she has a product. Whatever that product is, she's making videos or TikToks or what have you. Someone's consuming that product. She's a business person. It's just the business is ridiculously easy to get into, and the product is nonsense. But the biggest. But you got a hand at durfersel and some bullshit. She got lucky. She got born in the right time. I mean, if that lady was born in the 1970s, she'd be fucked. Yeah. But she's not, you know? But then you also have to deal with like from a psychologist perspective, if you talk to a psychologist about growing up in this time, it's one of the most challenging times. Because people are inundated by these people driving cars you couldn't imagine driving, living [12:06] in these crazy homes, flashing money, wearing all these designer clothes, everybody's got a filter on so their skin looks perfect, they look way more beautiful than they do in real life. And you're like, God damn, like what is life? Like what do I have to aspire to? Like what am I looking for? Like what do I get out of this? You don't have meaning, you don't have a sense of belonging that you make a difference. That's a fucking empty sad life, dude. Yeah, it's a suck life. As opposed to the life that you're living, a life of an artist, like a life that you know, you will labor at these pieces that you make and then people stand in front of them and go oh like do that one that you made for me the the one with the guys got all the the face paint like like a gray and black face paint on do you know the one I'm talking about yeah yes dude that one [13:02] that one's in my library when people walk in there to go oh shit I'm really yeah, right look at that thing. You stare at that painting You stare it for hours like whoa so much huge. There's so much going on in it That's what you have to do if you're gonna actually say I'm an artist It has to stop motherfuckers in their tracks and kind of wake them up a little bit and then they can't even stop thinking about it the rest of the day because it's like. Has anybody ever done that to a Jackson Pollock? I mean not unless they're on a lot of drugs. Maybe that's what I'm missing. Maybe it's like a dead concert. I didn't take nothing. I'm just kidding. Yeah, dude. I got a half on the track. Oh, I guarantee that dead sounds way better if you're frying. Oh, I bet if you're frying, it's amazing. I bet it's amazing. But can you find that painting, Jamie? Oh, that's one that I have. I don't know if you're talking about soul catcher or dreamer. Yeah, soul catcher. I I have that one in my house too. That one's dope too. The one that's the one. [14:06] Brat. So catch. And that thing is massive. That's a massive painting. It's huge. And it's sitting in my library. You can't really see all the detail on it that good because it's like a J-Pig and it's kind of, when you blow it up you can't see as much. Yeah, it's not that high resolution. But you know when you look at the snake scales, dude. Oh the snake scales, but really the thing that it gets me is always his face. Just the close up of his face with all the paint and the cracked paint. Fuck, I love that painting. Yeah. You put your soul into it and it speaks. It's alive. Yeah, it speaks. It's alive. Yeah, it speaks. That one speaks. That one speaks. I mean, that's what art is. It's speaking without words. It's communicating through this. I mean, it's the most archaic language that we have, like those cave drawings and stuff. [15:00] Probably language wasn't that advanced when they were doing that, but they wanted to say something profound. You know what I mean? Like they didn't have like books and poems and all that. They weren't advanced as far as writing stuff down. So they'd write it down in a like a pictograph. And that's how they would communicate those deeper truths. And if you look at those cave drawings, they're always, they have the same themes. You know, have you looked at those? You don't talk about them. if you look at those cave drawings they're always they have the same themes you know have you looked at those you know a lot of them yeah they have a hunter and he's kind of with the animals they're going along and then there's like this big tom of the fucker with a space helmet on this a lot of this yeah this a lot of explain that yeah yeah I mean I don't know if if I have to you have to just look at the fucking thing They explained it well. I don't know what that means, you know, I really don't I could they could have been tripping balls Yeah, or it could be that when you're tripping balls you meet those folks and they're real yeah That's what I was gonna say. I was like it's same with grateful dead Yeah, I'm off and thought about that about [16:07] UFO I'm often thought about that about UFO experiences because I think maybe it's like a state of mind There's a state of mind that you you can achieve and you can see them You know not me not if they're not there clearly, but I think If they're not here. Yeah, then they're there, but even if they're not I mean they're not there all the time right the idea if they're, if there's something that's traveling here, but might also be that they know. It's interdimensional though. Yeah. That's what a lot of people think. It's so hard to know because it's like, it's such a multi-faceted story, right? Because it's laced with bullshit. Because people are bullshitters, right? So everyone bullshits, they distort something to make it more interesting, they twist it up in their own mind. Even your own memory is absolutely terrible. Because you always wanna make yourself be the hero. Yeah, or if you're like self-loathing, make yourself be a piece of shit. You're the villain. Yeah, you can do that too, but it's also, [17:01] it's just not reliable, right? So then you have this shocking thing, where you're not exactly sure what happened. And then your body starts filling in, or your mind starts filling in the blanks with like a lot of nonsense. And then you start telling it to people over and over again. And then after a while, your memory is of the memory of you telling it. And barely even of the UFO experience itself, it's like you've told it this way for a certain amount of times. So you kind of keep repeating it. Yeah. And like, what is the motivation there? Is it now just a store you tell to get attention? What makes you better? Yeah. You're a special person. They'll talk to me. Yeah. We have to always be careful of anything that makes you special. Anything that makes you a special person. What makes you special? Did you really see Bigfoot? Or are you just a fucking loser? You know, like what's going on here? Are you fucking just a fucking... Are you even special because you saw Bigfoot? Is he just special because he... I don't know. I think Bigfoot might be one of them things too. I think maybe, I struggled with the idea that everyone's lying. [18:01] I really do. But I also struggled with the idea of this unknown bipedal hominid that's eight feet tall. Like where is it shitting? Where is it eating? Where's its bones? No one's seen it on a trail camera? How's that possible? But why would everybody be lying? But maybe it's smart. Maybe it fucking digs toilets. I don't know. No chance. Well there's no chance it's so smart that it knows what a tram camera is, but it never made its own trail camera. No chance. No chance it doesn't get photographed. So, it has Wi-Fi, shit. No. Too many people go into the back country. You know, all my friends that really go deep into the back country, like my friends like Aaron Snyder, he, you know, he does these crazy back country hunts. It'll go like 26 miles in with everything on his back. And they hunt for weeks, weeks at a time. I hate that. None of those guys have stories like that. None of them. Not one. Only the people that are nervous in the woods that don't understand the woods. I saw Squirrel once and for a couple of seconds, [19:01] I thought it was a wolf. Was it a wolf? Carl Carl was a wolf when he's by my legs. Carl was a wolf about 14,000 years ago. They turned that into Carl. No, I think you're right. But you know what I'm saying? There's bears that stand up on two legs. They do that all the time. People see that in between the trees. You think you saw Bigfoot. But then I wonder about just the heightened state of mind that you're in when you're in the forest and you're scared, because you've been the woods before. For people that haven't, I really recommend it, because it's so humbling. There's something about just the undeniable vulnerability that you have and that you don't really mean that much. You might think you mean a lot, but you're just a part of this massive system that's going on, this massive system of life. And if you're in that, and this is a new experience for you, and then you start freaking out, and then you think you saw something, and your brain goes into overdrive. [20:03] When your mind starts pattern forming, you start looking for things you've heard about Bigfoot. Nice start seeing Bigfoot, you know? Bigfoot. Yeah. I think there's a little bit of that. I'm sure a lot of people do. If they're getting drunk, they're maybe they're smoking little weed or whatever. I mean, God. But then again, maybe if you are drunk or smoking a little weed, maybe you can hit that spot. Maybe there's a frequency that you can hit where that motherfucker's really layered. I mean, I think it was cool to believe in. It was very cool. If it was real, it would be really cool. Some people are all in. You can't even talk about that. They needed a hobby. I got a cell, some fucking T-shirt,shirts man. Just a lot of that like finding big foot. Yeah, that show hilarious like how do they pull that off for like three or four eight fucking seasons and finding big foot Av it might still be going on they really wanted to find you can just keep there's a certain amount of slack job [21:01] People me included that would just sit in front of that and just like I didn't amount of slack job people, me included, that would just sit in front of that and just like this. Did they do that? Did they do that? Like the River monster show. Oh shit. With the River monster show, that guy's fishing. Fishing's fun. He's just fishing. That's just crazy, oh he just jumps down in the fucking swamp and just brings up this big demon of a fish. Big tiger fish, that tiger fish an africa with the giant I think of what I do that when I jump out with the fuck man if you grow up, you grow up so they ended and they re-brought it back as the uh... the search continues we couldn't think of a better fucking title than the bullshit continues there's also bigfoot finding bigfoot further evidence no further evidence you got none and that's the evidence that's the fuck away far out there it's basically printing money as long as the people that are like on the TV show don't get cocky think they deserve more money he's behind it they're never going to find me [22:00] if anybody gets cocky you might have to bring in new researchers but then the researchers have to be accepted by the research community as a legitimate Bigfoot research. Legitimate bass? Yes. We don't tolerate outsiders here, Greg. That's a job title. No, I'm a legitimate bigfoot researcher. Bigfoot research. Not like those bullshit Bigfoot researchers. Just be research and bullshit. You know what's interesting? Duncan and I went, we hung out with bigfoot researchers when I did that TV show for sci-fi called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. We went and hung out with these bigfoot people. And at the end you realize it's just like, oh you guys just need a community. This is a community. Just need some friends. And it's a fun thing to think about. And the thing about the Pacific Northwest, it's like the woods up there if you haven't been, it's like a box of Q-tips. You can't see shit through that. You can't see 30 feet, 40 feet. You can't see anything. It's just fucking trees like everywhere. [23:02] And how much does mushrooms have to do with big foot like there's a lot of mushrooms growing up Yeah, you're gonna see a whole bunch of shit. You can see elves. Yeah elves big foot like leprechaun Santa Claus Santa Claus This big party go right off. Yeah, take some chairs and hang out with big foot and the elves Santa Claus Well then again like what is happening there? Are you seeing things that aren't there? Or are you seeing things that are there that you can't see under normal circumstances? Well, dude, I think it's the latter. I think it's, if they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to perceive them and those substances just help you to perceive things because you're too busy over here all the time in that fucking brain wave circuit that you're kind of trapped in right here, this reality tunnel, this stuff over here, there's blinders, you can't see it. The only way, like what happens when you take those substances, you're fucking pupils. [24:03] Dial it, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom Yeah. And then all of a sudden, dude, I remember the first time that I really took a whole bunch of shrooms when I was a kid me and a bunch of my friends like we just got a hold of some bunch of money. I'm not going to get into that. How that happened. You know, long story short, we turned this money into a big bag of mushrooms and we all went down to the bowling alley and ate a whole bunch of them and just cruise around you know tried to go bowling that didn't work out and just shroomed out and by the end of the night we're looking at the money that we still had and everybody's were you know we had a bunch of weed we're passing around balls and shrooming out and we're looking at the money and we're looking at the buildings going the fucking system has us trapped With this money. Let's tear it up. Oh, yeah, which I was there with you. Yeah, we start tearing it up Everybody all my friends are listening to this are gonna be like he's yeah, dude. We're all there because there's probably like eight of us all My he's tearing up your money tearing up our money money. You think it was [25:02] We had a fuck ton of money, because we just, I was a little shit when I was a kid, so I... We don't need specifics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, right. So anyway. It was enough money that it was a stupid thing to do. We were little kids, no, it's, you know, we paid for it later, we got ripping up $10 bills. Is that 80s? Oh, $10 bucks. Yeah. And the next day you'd put it back in your pocket. We'd be in it for a while. You're like, yeah, what do I fuck with? I do it. But I think I was right. I could have went to Jimmy Johnson with this. Yeah, it's like, but I think you did today. Like the fact that I saw that and I started doing all those, you know, drugs and crazy shit when I was young is what led me here. And I was getting a bunch of shit for it when I was a kid and people were saying, what are you doing art? Because I wanted to do that since I was a kid. That's what I was wanting to do for my career. Like album covers, comic books, shit like that. And if you're like, no, you're crazy. You're never gonna fucking do anything with art. [26:07] But I think just being like a rebel, an outcast, that helped me. That made it possible. Well, it's the only way. You know, if you're a person that has like some crazy corporate job and you get locked into that thing, it's gonna be very difficult for you to break out and become an artist. Yeah. Although I actually did work for the government, for the feds, for a while. Which is... I was an artist. No, I was a graphics guy for OSHA, for the occupational safety and health administration. So what did you do? Like what was... I designed all the little pamphlets in shit. Like what? Don't put your hand on the machine. Don't carry stuff like this. Don't do this. And then they'd have me edit pictures of people that got electrocuted and got their faces blown off. And say try to make this a little less bloody. Oh god damn it. And yeah, that made me rethink. Bro, there's so many videos [27:01] that Instagram people getting caught machines. You wanna know the worst one? The stupidest one that I ever saw was three dudes wanted to get high at work. They were asphalt layers and they're like, let's jump in the asphalt. No. Mixer. They fucking jumped in there to smoke a joint. All of them died like three dudes. Oh god. Because asphalt is deadly. Yeah, it's toxic if you breathe it. It's terrible for you. Oh my god. But I mean, I had to kind of get into the system before I started trying to do tattoos. Because I had young kids and stuff. I had to, and it's hard to get into the art business. So I had to try to do that. But then 9-11 came along and we lost our contract because all the money went to military shit. And so I had to just make another plan. I tried to tattoo for a while. That didn't work out and then got into fine art from there. How did you get into tattooing? [28:00] How do you even practice that? Do you practice on like pig skin? No, I practice on myself. Yeah. But a friend of mine, actually, from Big Deluxe, tattoo, best shop in Salt Lake, and also Anthony Begonne, what's up Anthony? Didn't forget you. But yeah, so I worked at Big Deluxe for a while. My friend Rich runs that shop, and he's like just a total gangster of tattooing and runs just a Real tight ship I had print us there for a while Accidentally kicked my manager in the face and got fired. How'd you do that? Well, there's a bar next door that we always would go to after work and as over there just drunk as fuck and there's some Dude in there that like was trying to fight me or something He's like I'm gonna kick your ass and so I was like all right go outside. I'm gonna finish my beer I'm gonna I'll be out there in a minute and I was training lots of Muay Thai at the time So I was you know I was ready like whatever and so I walk out the door and my friends hold the door open And I was like, where's this dude that is trying to kick my ass? And he's like, [29:06] right here my fucker, he takes a swing. I mean, whoo! And I barely ducked it, went down the sidewalk. I was like, all right, let's go. And I thought as soon as he gets with and range, I'm just going to hit him with that high kick. Right. Right. And so messed it. And you hit your boss. Because he was going, breaking up. I didn't even see him. Oh no. He was running out of the shop because he saw us going by the sidewalk. The windows right there, he was like, oh Greg, come on. And he goes like this, seriously. Just hands out. So you went full rotation on the high kick. Good job. It would have been good. Yeah, good technique. I mean, like I said, I got to trade some good Muay Thai and Utah. There was a couple good schools there when I was young. We were tall dude too. Yeah, good long kicks. So that was my thing. If I could get you in. If I could get you in the kick, you say good night. So you fired you for that? Well, I thought you were trying to hit him [30:05] instead of hitting the other guy. Yeah, they probably still do. I didn't fucking do it, Mike. Well, how hammered were you though? Shit hammered. So fucking hammered. I couldn't even see that. So I was like, I'm just gonna throw out the long kick and take them out, you know? You know, but then I thought because a dude still standing there like juggernaut and I thought I hit him with my best kick So I'm like this dude has to go oh no, so I then I'm like all right Jude over you I tossed him on to the concrete and I started to you know that when you have like a scarf hold and With your leg though, so I was pushing out the hip, getting ready to break his shoulder, and his fucking girlfriend kicked me in the face because she was watching the fight. That's probably what the ground game in the street, bro. Always, dude. And so he scurries away, and I ran over and grabbed and I was like, no, you don't put on a car. I was dropping elbows on him. [31:01] And then she wasn't done yet. This dude's girlfriend was bad as she fished out to me and it's like I ripped up my cheek and now somehow I got her fucking finger out of my mouth and then I was like I'm just gonna kill this motherfucker now he's gonna be no good to you at all and then just you know hit him with a bunch of knees and damn bar fights are stupid. That was long long time ago like I was well You know it all worked out. Yeah isn't it funny how those doors close Yeah, closing your life new door opens well I called I called up the next day and I was like dude. I'm gonna be a little late every just like no You're gonna be a little fired motherfucker You kicked my in the face. Oh no, I did not. I did not. Oh no. So, but everybody's laughing about it now. I'm sure those guys will get a kick out of seeing this. No, we're like, oh, we're dead. Street fights are so stupid. Please folks, if you listen, don't do it. [32:01] Don't do it. We all could have died. We all could have died. We all could have died. Definitely good to have died. And even the person who kills you, they wish they didn't do it. Don't do it. No, I know people that have accidentally killed people on street fights and stuff. There's a guy who is a pedophile who just got caught the other day. There's a bunch of these videos where these guys, they bait pedophiles, like they bait them on social media like the old show To catch a predator. Yeah, there's a bunch guys doing that on YouTube, right? And this one guy got caught I only watched the clip of the guy getting punched and some guy walks up to him I think the dude is wearing a mask and he has said something like I got kids mother fucker and he soccer punched this dude in the head And the dude fought he's an old I got kids motherfucker and he soccer punched this dude in the head and the dude fought, he's an old guy too and he falls and you hear that bang of his head bouncing off the sidewalk I'm like oh my god that guy's fucked and I'm pretty sure he's dead. I'm pretty sure he died which happens. I tried to follow up too, I don't know if I can do it. [33:01] Yeah you heard about it too right? Yeah so this is it I'm not gonna show it on so show real quick. I don't know if we can oh it's illegal I don't it's not our content. Okay. Oh, okay. Well don't show it on the screen then yeah right there Bam he's dead that dude Bounces his head off and the other guy runs off But the sound of that guy's head hitting a concrete is just hard Oh, bro. And that's how people die. Well, you people don't realize how strong they are if they fucking hit someone. You're a full grown man, you know? Did you Google it whether or not he's dead? This is the follow up right here. That's a video though. Did you Google it? I mean, I read a story that said he died in the hospital. Oh, check. I guess I did. How long ago was this? Five days ago. Yeah, I think I read a story much more recently than he died in the hospital. I don't know if that's true though. Because you know, like everything is just for clicks now. Like Bill Marge pointed this up, that there was an article that said there's a 300% rise in measles in the United States. [34:01] Do you know how many cases that is? 35. 300 from nothing? Yeah many cases that is? 35. Ah! 300 from nothing. Yeah, well that is... I don't know anybody with measles. I don't think I've ever met anyone with measles. It's very rare these days, you know? But the fact that they wrote that in an article, a 300% rise in measles, and everybody goes and do a hot panic, and then you find out it's that funny. But see, that's why, like, back Like back in the day, maybe in the fucking 50s or something, wouldn't they have jumped on that shit if it was in the newspaper we found out about it? You lie on the fucking day. There's just so many people bullshitting these days and we let them get away with it. Yeah, and they've been bullshitting since the beginning. That's how we distilled illegal. We distilled illegal because of William Randolph Hearst, who ran Hearst publications and William Randolph Hearst is the guy who started printing those stories in the paper about marijuana. Marijuana was the name for Wild Mexican Tobacco. It was a slang for a Wild Mexican Tobacco. Cannabis was like well, well known. And so they started saying it was a new drug called marijuana, and it was causing Mexicans [35:02] and black guys to rape white people. Because they would use it after work because they weren't drinking. No, it wasn't real They were they were calling it that because they were trying to get killed I'm saying they would actually get high. They were trying to do anything They were trying to get marijuana to be illegal because they wanted hemp out of business for paper That's what it was for nylon Yes, nylon DuPont had come up with the patent for nylon And then there was also paper mills like William Randolph Hearst owned Forrests that they would cut down to make trees see he owned paper mills as well and hemp paper was a superior paper And so when they came out with a decorticator, which is a machine that was much better at processing hemp fiber And they had it in popular mechanics magazine So they started this campaign against hemp by creating this boogie man of a drug called marijuana that made people crazy Just so that was the news. Yeah, so that's the newspapers in the 30s man So they've been doing this shit forever. They've been doing the same fucking thing forever. I wonder if there is ever a time [36:04] When the the media and the information was like working for us like the, you know what I mean? I think there's been people that have been working for us, but there's always been stories that were like heavily influenced by the intelligence community and by, you know, special interest groups and it's always been the case, man. Journalists have always been on the take a certain percentage of them Yeah, there's a certain percentage of journalists that are just bullsharists. They're not They are as people yeah, yeah, yeah That's it all they are and they're people doing a job like that's their job they work at this place It says hey, I want you to Concoct this fucking story. Yeah, they have to do it. It's the same thing as like, dude, I think the whole fucking problem with the government is lobbyists. When I was a little kid and I was super patriotic, like I was a little kid and I love the Constitution. I think it's just as so cool that the checks and balances and the way the thing is supposed to work is amazing. Awesome. But then I heard about the lobbyists. [37:02] And I remember as probably a 10 or 12 year old kid going what and And the teacher would say yeah, yeah, it's uh their job To go and try to influence our Senators and I'm like that don't seem right and what do they do they take them to lunch and they buy them shit To fucking convince them to make okay get those motherfuckers out of there and then we're good Because then all they got to do is answer to me and I'm the one paying them They're trying to get extra fucking money. That's the same thing as if I was like You know working for a gallery and then selling art on the side or some shit You can't do that. I mean you could and you know what happens what, and like customers will come up to you and say, I saw your shit at a gallery and I wanna buy it directly from you. And so then it's on you. Is that, do you have a deal like with a gallery where like if you have your stuff up in the gallery that they have to sell your stuff only through that gallery? [38:03] I mean, does it vary? Well, yeah, because sometimes you have to, you sign an exclusive and then some galleries will front you a bunch of money. So every deal is different. But right now I do, I don't sign exclusive deals. I just say, you know, you show my stuff. I still sell a ton on my own, on my own. But you do that now because you're established. Yeah. But if they see it in the gallery and they come to me and they say we saw it in the gallery We've only seen it there then I'll try to get the sale to go through the gallery to actually still cut them in yeah Because that's not really right. Right. That's right. That's the way to do it because they saw it in the gallery That's the whole benefit of the working relationship of you being in a gallery. Yeah, I that's how I found you. Gallery's always surprised when you do it, but when you bought the painting, you invited from me, you had to go through the gallery, right? But I could have said, bro, fuck the gallery, just buy from me. Yeah, but that wouldn't be cool. Right, exactly. In that sense, I understand what you're saying. But is there a situation with some artists where they have their pieces up in a gallery and they're not even allowed to be commissioned to make a piece outside of the gallery. [39:12] I think if they have an exclusive contract and they've fronted you money and if you come to them and say, hey, I have a soldane thing, can you front me some more money and they're going to take care of you? Okay. So it's the fronting the money is the issue. Or the hardly ever happens. Okay. Like that's it. So for the most part, like say if I went into gallery and I saw some piece and it was really dope and they connected me to the artist and I get her email and I contact her and I said, hey I really love this. I'm thinking of something along this theme. Can I contract you to do something like that? Can I commission you to do something like that? And they say yes. Which you still have to go through the gallery, you think? What do you think the right thing to do is, though, for the artist? I think the right thing, if you find out about it through the galleries, probably go through the gallery. And then that makes sense. Yeah. And then like the gallery knows your loyal. Yeah. Also galleries are dope. We want to keep them open. [40:00] I fucking love going to galleries. I just love seeing all the different, I just love different people's expressions, you know? Whether it's the music or through painting or illustration or sculpture, whatever it is. I'm just interested in the things people create. And so if there's a place we can go and it's all just shit that people created, like I'm all in. Yeah, I love galleries. We need more of that. Yes, we need more of that. Yes. You know. We need more of that. We need more encouraging people to create things. You know, it's a very valuable commodity that's seen as frivolous until it's not. It's seen as no big deal until it's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's a very strange world. It is, but like, I mean, when you think about it, it's like, what we were talking about earlier how this system is so much bullshit and it's so dry and fucking empty and there's just nothing to it but they have to slot you in and make you fucking tow the line and your life so fucking boring and shit but if you get into art whatever art it is where that's your music at least you have a solace of some kind that you can come home to. So what I aspired to do was to provide [41:08] powerful stuff that people that like they're out there doing crazy shit all day like you, doing stuff that's affecting the world. Like they got a bunch of stuff on their mind all the time. But just for one minute they look at that painting and they're like Now I know why I remember why I'm doing all this it's for the spirit It's for the the essence of life. It's to try to make life better for all of us Yeah, you know, that's what art is really supposed to do is try to communicate to you that like you do matter We all matter we all matter together and we're not actually separate because if you can relate to this and I can relate to this, maybe we can forget about all the bullshit that they're trying to make us fight about and just fucking check out a show. Yeah, absolutely. We matter to each other. That's what's really important. Even if you think you don't matter in the great scheme of things, like when people get [42:02] real morose and they start thinking about life as being futile and there's no reason It's why go on and Generally that's people that are disconnected from other people They don't have anybody like real close that they can hang out with that they love Yeah, you know and people need that in life. It's You need you need a tribe. Yeah, you do where we're tribal people You need a tribe like your do. We're tribal people. You need a tribe like your family should be your tribe, your friends should be your tribe. You need groups. And that's a wonderful life. That's a joy-filled life. If you can have a life filled with people that you enjoy hanging out with. If you can do it right. Yeah. And those people that think that they don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't underestimate the potential you have to actually affect people's lives. Sure. You can turn it around too. How you feel right now is horrible and as dark as it seems. That's not how you're going to feel always. [43:01] You just have to trust in this process. And you got to do something. It was a funny little Instagram clip that I put on my stories the other day. This lady was talking about how she feels down and then someone asked her, uh, did you get enough sleep? Nope. Have you been exercising? Nope. Have you been eating? Well, nope. Have you gone outside? Nope. Have you stayed off your phone? Nope. Okay. Why should you feel good? Exactly. But that's our best. As I say, I'm broke. Did you go to work? You can save your money. Right. Do you have people in your life that you love? Do you have a thing that you do that you love? If you don't have those things, you're going to have a rough time of it. You know, that's what we love. And if you don't have those things, you're in a tough spot. And, you know, the cold heart truth is for a lot of people, you have to be someone worthy of other people's appreciation, too. Like, what have you done? Who are you? What, you know, what, what, what's your character [44:02] like? What do you like when you talk to people? Are you nice? Are you fun? Are you good to be around? Do you complain a lot? You know and you want the world to be better, but you complain all the time. You're just a fucking Debbie downer Is that what you are? Because guess what? Nobody wants to be around you and you're gonna be depressed now and you're making people feel like shit You got to get out of that whatever mindset spiral you're in and Come up with a better way to interface with humanity. Yeah, because it's all about perspective, dude. You know, like you could, I was walking around Austin earlier today. I've never been here before. I was just taking a walk. Is your first trip? Yeah. Nice. Like I don't, I go to like art towns for shows. It's all about business when I travel. I'm just doing shows and going home and making more paintings But just walking around a little bit down here. I was just like God this really It's I can look around and just see how fucking cool this place is and how all these people built all this stuff And they're building it and everybody's doing something here and I'm part of it [45:03] And I get to just sit here and chill and like, take it all in and go, wow, fuck, I'm in this new city. They're building, they've got cranes on the tops of all the buildings. The restaurants look all vital. And shit, I love to see that. And I'm like, dude, all these people have good perspective. Not all of them. Well, I mean, more more. It's a good vibe, right? I don't know. Overall good vibe of the city, right? Yeah. I didn't know what to expect, but I was like impressed. I was like, this place seems pretty cool and I realized that's my perspective. I'm looking for the good. Mm-hmm, right? But somebody else might be in the same exact spot and they would only notice the weird homeless dude over there that They hope that he doesn't come over here and ask him for some money or they're stressing out about their bills or whatever it is. And I'm just sitting there thinking, no, I don't want to fuck. Perspective, look at how fucking cool life is. Cause it really is, dude. I think we've all gotten so fucked up with by these little cell phones [46:00] that have kind of captured us that we kind of captured us, that we kind of forget. Just go outside. Yeah, you know, go outside and experience some things. It's just hard to do when you're stuck. If you're at home and you're just like staring at your phone, it's hard to like put it down and start moving. It's hard, but you really have to. It's trap. It's trying to get us to get sucked into the machine, kids, and it's common. And if you think it's difficult to resist now, just wait. Just wait. But just don't let your tolerance get all low. Like don't just keep fucking with it. Like right now go camping. Yeah. Right now go learn to ride a horse. I don't know about that. You know, you get her. Right. I got some crazy horse stories. I know a lot of people have some crazy horror stories. I went down to the... I don't think they like to be ridden. No, check this out, dude. I'll tell you something funny. I went down on a photo shoot to the Navajo reservation years ago, like probably about five or six, maybe seven years ago. And the Apache's and the Navajo's were kind of doing a piece ceremony. And I was down there with like this native photographer and just a couple of friends [47:05] we were all hanging out like Navajo's and and we ran into this Navajo family where there's this dude that just got back from the military and like his little brother and his little sister and we're all just hanging out like because I just take pictures to get ideas for paintings and meet people and just go do stuff and go to reservation. That's what gives me the ideas. And so I've raised riding horses and I haven't ridden a horse since I was a little kid in Montana but I learned how I knew I rode horses every day as a little kids like 10 years older so we'd ride them to town and so all these Indians are out there riding the horses and I want to fit in and I was like oh jump up on one on one of these horses. And I jump up on one of the trail horses that's been out on the trail ride all day. And I have these long ass legs, everyone else is shorter than me. So the stirrups aren't long enough for me. So I jump up on there and I'm all kind of off-balance and the horse gets weird out and just fucking takes off [48:01] at a full run across the desert. Ran for like a mile dude and I'm shitin' like it's fucking me and it's like I thought about jumpin' off and everything. And luckily I had been training Jiu Jitsu at the time so I had the strong Jiu Jitsu grip that you get. And I grabbed the saddle horn and just hold on to it. I'm like, oh no, I'm jumping. I'm gonna wear this motherfucker out. And he ran for about a mile. So you didn't have a reigns? He didn't have a hold of the reigns. I lost the reigns. Oh my God. He was running, dude. I wasn't ready for it. He just took off. Took off. But I didn't fall off. I didn't jump out. Oh my God. And everyone's like, we thought we were gonna be peeling you off the prairie. And my horse, like, puts his head down and taps the ground. I said, I mean, this fucker, tap. And I jumped off. Oh, dude. Is it interesting that you can break horses? They get wild horses and they can break them. They break them and get them to the point [49:02] where they can ride them. It's very strange, it's a strange animal. Like you, yeah, I mean dude horses are amazing. And then I got to go down to a ranch in New Mexico and learned to ride a bunch a few years ago and I got good enough where I was running and controlling the horse. It's kind of like a version, a real version of Avatar. When they have to hop on those dragons and they have to like merge with them. They are exactly fucking like that. It is like that, right? Exactly. Because this is like thing that's way more powerful than you, but for some weird reason, you guys sink up together. And if it likes you, it will like stomp out rattlesnakes for you and if it doesn't like you, it'll go over to the rocks and... Yeah, chuck you off. fuck off bitch. You have to have a good relationship with that animal. And it has to be a real relationship. It can't be out of fear that animals love you. And you have to love it. It's like dogs. Yep, exactly. Exactly. They called them sacred dogs. The Lakota did. [50:00] But that's a doggy ride. Dogs and humans have very strange relationships. Very strange. There's some sort of a sinking of the minds that's not as simple as the dog recognizes that it gets food from you. No, no, no. This is like this weird love. Well, did you ever see that show that was about how humans and canines evolve together. Yeah, I have seen it. Yeah. Dude, I mean, I have two dogs. Like they're part husky, part akita. They're like, they're like the primal breeds. So they kind of, they look like wolves. They kind of act like that. Yeah. Like, dude, those dogs are my best friends, you know? They pull, we go around the neighborhood, they pull me on my skateboard, and I know that they know that I'm their friend. Right. And it's like, I know if, like, if I'm having a bad day or if I'm just like stressed out or something, and I do this or something, they'll come right up to me. [51:01] Like, what's wrong, bro? I was in the gym today stretching out and I was doing this crazy back stretch and it's kind of painful. So I'm like, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr It was just funny. It's funny. They just sync up to you. They just did something about whatever that relationship is It's so unique to dogs. It's so different than any other animal. Yeah, you know Well, it's very concerned about you. Yeah, other animals. I don't think it concerned about you Like your cat's not that concerned about you. I don't know. You're in pain. Face off if you die instantly If you like you break your leg your cat's gonna go oh this guy's fucking loud Let me go that fucking snap really yeah I would the other day we're working out in the gym with all the comedians and marshals with us and I start kicking the bag and he starts barking He starts jumping up and down and barking because he thinks like some shit's going down is that bag fucking with you? [52:04] What's happening here? I know, it all goes well. That's hilarious. Like all the other stuff that we did, we did all this kettlebell workouts, we pushed the sled. That was all fine. But once I started hitting the bag, he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa understand what violence is. It's weird. It is, dude. It's like, why is that different to him than me lifting a thing or me grunting or pushing a sled? Like, I don't understand what you're doing. Well, that's totally why we kept them around because we're like, as soon as shit starts to go down, you jump in, I'm gonna get my knife, you take care of it, you hit them low, I'll hit them high. They know that they're with you. They have to protect you. You get to eat this motherfucker. That happens to the people, if they get in some sort of a, like brothers and sisters getting fights together, the dog fucking tries to jump in. It happens all the time. Two girls are beating the shit out of each other, [53:01] and the dog shows up saying Like just, I had a party dude, how many times have you seen that? I was always just pushing and shoving the pit bulls got your arm fucked. Oh no. And then you got nerve damage, no. You just like, you have to play it. Fucking alligator. Yeah, dude, those fucking things. Yeah, they don't understand that either. Especially dudes, they get a little too loud with their playing Well, all the dogs are like, oh, some shit's going down. You think so? Yeah. Fucker. Well, they're f**king hard. This is your house. Yeah. This is my house. Yeah, they don't. I'm not drunk. They don't get the rules. Yeah. They don't get the rules of engagement. That thing in the avatar is so wild when they sink up and they link their tails to their hair. their hair thing. Yeah, his ponytail. Yeah. Yeah. It's really is kind of what happens with a horse. Well, everything is kind of, you know, based on something, you know, I mean, like fiction stuff. You get that idea from somewhere. Well, having people said that avatars like Pocahontas in space. I thought they said it's like dances with wolves from space and that pissed me off. Well, because my mentor, a friend of mine wrote dances with wolves. Oh, really? He's like one of my best influences that guided me in my career. Michael Blake. [54:11] He's a bro dude. It wasn't about they say, oh, the white savior story. He's coming to save the Indians. That's some bullshit. I'm like, did you watch the fucking movie? Who saved who? The white guy didn't save the Indians right they saved him there he learned from the Indians how to be a good person there's nothing wrong with that fucking story i barely remember that movie i remember it was really good but i barely remember well he he told a microphone oh sorry sorry um moves around yeah he told me that he came up with that idea by he heard a story where uh... supply train a wagon train pulled up to uh... like an abandoned camp a civil or not civil war like an army camp he heard that story and he thought well what would i do if i was that guy would i just go back [55:03] to the base to the army base or would i stay there and try to figure out what happened?\" And he said, he just came up with the whole thing based on putting himself there in his imagination. Right. And he's just such a cool motherfucker, dude. Like, I remember I was saying, you know, this is years ago, I said, I want to be the next Howard Turpin, which is like the big Western artist. She's like, no dude, don't be the next anything. Be the first Greg Overton. Just be you. Yeah. And here and that, like that movie was a big influence on me because when I saw that and got a Howard Turpin book, that's what really got me back into Western art because as a teenager I was doing all the punk art. I get to eat album covers for a lot of the bands from Salt Lake and was trying to draw comic books and shit like that. But as soon as I saw that movie and got the Howard Turpinning book, that's what really brought me back to the Native American stuff. [56:00] And I was like, this is what I'm gonna do. I think what's so interesting about the Native Americans, one of the things that's interesting, I should say about the Native American stuff, is that we didn't really understand what was even happening until the 20th century and now the 21st century. We didn't really have an understanding of how their cultures worked and how they interacted with each other. The way it was depicted in mainstream media was always cowboy and Indian movies. It was like this very crude, kind of simplistic version of what they, we didn't really understand, you know, much about Native American culture until people started writing these, like Empire of the Summer Moon, some of these amazing books. Well, you get a real understanding of like black Elk speaks, like those kind of things. You actually hear from the people that live that life. Like what was that like? Cause our version of it was all just stupid movies, John Wayne movies and shit. And then Clint East would take it to another level. Like especially the outlawed outlawed Josie Wales. [57:00] Fuck yeah. Yeah, when he meets with that Comanche guy, and him and 10 bears have this conversation about what's gonna go down? Yeah, you know your words have iron Yeah, where's of death? Words of death. Yeah, that's a heavy scene. Will Samson. That's like Yeah, that's one of the best movies ever do. That's a great fucking movie. That's a great fucking movie Yeah, that's a fun movie, but that's that's like the real Comanche Texas Ranger because he was a Texas Ranger type dude. You know what I mean? And those are those are both just awesome icons of the West. We should respect both of those. Yeah, because they neither one of them were like a hero or a villain purely. I mean the commandeer, they were a fucking empire. They were out for conquest, they're colonizing the fuck out. They took all the horses and they're like, fuck you, we're taking it. Yeah, they committed raids on other Native American tribes all the time. I mean, they were ruthless. I mean, we've talked it was before with just the name Sue. [58:02] That wasn't their name, then that was the name for enemy. Their name was the Lakota people. That's what they called themselves. Everybody else called me enemy. They're fucking everybody up. Because they were like, there was no unity amongst Native American tribes. I mean, it was really no different than the interactions that we have with other countries. Like, sometimes you're connected to them and you're allies and sometimes you're a war. And sometimes there's the same groups of people that you used to be allies and now you're a war or you used to be a war and now you're allies like United States and Japan. For a good example. I mean that's probably one of the best examples in modern times. Yeah. We literally dropped indiscriminate nuclear bombs on two other cities and now we buy their cars I don't imagine if it is one in that's one of your friends Sorry, I knew you're fucking house, bro It was almost go see a movie years ago. Do let it go. I just knew you're fucking house Let it go you wouldn't stop fighting broke [59:03] Apparently like dude you didn't get our memo we were gonna stop you guys just want to try out your fucking bomb yeah you just want to flex and you you used to you just want to flex your fucking nuke power and you still want to go to vacation and fucking Europe bitch imagine seeing the first nuke go off and realize that nothing's ever gonna be the same again when they dropped that first nuke in a city just like oh my god what have you done yeah what have you done and what precedent have you set and and really truly amazing that we haven't done it since then that's what makes you believe in the aliens and multi-dimensional beings in shit really? but because it isn't it just mutually sure destruction as well no no i'm saying like When humanity got all the nuclear bombs and shit that's when you start to see all the sightings and stuff So that that's why it kind of makes sense that they'd be like, oh, what are you doing? We can't let you blow up your whole fucking planet before you even Evolve to your first level because for all we know we're still white belts, right? [1:00:08] Well, leaf cutter ants have no idea that you have a car They have no idea they have no idea what a a bit coin is. Yeah, they have no idea You know what 4G is they don't know shit and they're about cut and leaves and being ants, but they're around it all the time It's very possible that this is shit like that in other dimensions that are equally bizarre That we just we we are not connected to all the time and they might be here all the time and if that's the case Then it makes sense that they would start showing up when we were in the middle of dropping nukes on each other They'd be like hey hey hey Hey, I'd be like when your parents heard you just beating the shit out of each other and though the room they coming They're like all right fucking settle down. That'll down boys. You're gonna fuck up the drywall now Yeah, you guys are crashing into fucking TV's and shit like hey, that's all it is. We're just their dumb kids in the next room It might be some noise Because maybe they need to let us know like hey, there's some there's some other folks here and they're way more advanced and settle the fuck down. [1:01:07] You know, we're trying to bring you along just, you know. The problem with all that stuff is it's so hard to know what's true and what's bullshit. Just like the Bigfoot thing. It's so hard to, well, the Bigfoot thing's way easier, right? But the UFO thing, there's way more evidence. It's so hard to know what's bullshit. It's so hard. It's so hard to know who's telling the truth and who's lying. It's so hard to know what involvement the government has in terms of how many of these things are drones. You're hearing now that a lot of these people that believe that these things are flying around, they think that what we're dealing with is some sort of a government drone. And that a lot of this off-world craft talk is really just misinformation so that they don't have to take accountability for having some crazy thing that China doesn't have or maybe China has that we don't have and then they want to lie about it. You know, try to develop whatever the fuck they have. [1:02:04] Yeah. And when you find out what they're really doing, then it's like, okay, now this makes sense. Now that makes sense because you're having a fucking do all this to develop that. Well, you know, it was a whole conspiracy about the invention of the transistor. Because the transistor came about right after Roswell. And there's a company called Bell Labs. And Bell Labs was, I believe they were the people that invented the transistor. And there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs. And they always said that military base was to protect New York City. But it was pretty far from New York City. Like if you wanted to protect New York City, you put a base a lot closer. You wouldn't put it so far away or you'd take them like 40 minutes to fly there. But Bell Labs is a wild place. And that was one of the main focal points of conspiracy theorists when they were talking about back engineering stuff from Crash UFOs. [1:03:02] It was fiber optics and transistors and that they all came about very shortly after Roswell and people don't exactly know how they figured those out They probably those were probably the like the most basic things that they were covered So they are the easiest to figure out so that's why we had them first and there's like it's just like Those fucking play stations and they release a better one every few years. Maybe they have PlayStation five and 95, but they're still giving us PlayStation one, because they want to sell all five. Well, they can't just give us a time machine. They have to give us a spaceship first. Yeah. First of all, you gotta figure out travel, you morons. And we won't even need a fucking spaceship once we got a time machine. Yeah. Then we'll give you the big bang machine. Yeah. That takes time. You got to get to a higher level civilization. Have you heard of a Dyson sphere? Do you know what a Dyson sphere is? I've heard of it. What is it? Well, it's a massive structure that some astronomers believe could indicate highly advanced [1:04:07] intelligent life somewhere in the universe. They've never been discovered, but they've been theorized that these, there was this article that I was reading yesterday about it. If you see if you can find it. So it can like tell you where it would be. But they think there are massive structures that are like, literally like a structure, the size of a solar system. And somebody made that and those fucking things are out there. Well, this is just theorized, right? When they're talking about the highest potential level of technological ability. That you could get to? Yeah, I mean, imagine if you got to a place where you had a self-contained solar system that's completely controlled by these intelligent beings, but that's immune to all of the hazards and what if we're in that motherfucker? We might be? That's the simulation. We might be? We might be? And Thanos is like a type 2 civilization, one that can directly harness harvest rather, the energy of its star using a Dyson sphere or something similar. [1:05:02] So it like is solar powered basically? Well, I don't know what the fuck it is. I mean, I think it's totally theoretical. There's no real versions of them that are out there, but the idea is that if technological proficiency and innovation continues at the level that it is now for millions of years, what does it get to? But you know what? It's probably gonna get weird in that. Cause this shit you can imagine, like remember the 80s when you fucking had a walk man? Whoa, what are they gonna have in a few years? Right. I'll be able to, you know, you probably thought it was still gonna be a cassette tape. Like when you watch the fifth element or blade runner, they're still using fucking telephones. They didn't even think of cell phones? But that's our most obvious thing that we have right now. Star Trek, they had a walkie talkie. Yeah, Kirk out. Right, because you're still like relating it from like 1960, the pome of space. Yeah, right. Exactly. That's not that unreal pome. So it's going to fucking God of war. Mm-hmm. [1:06:00] Holy shit. Yeah, it's gonna keep going. That's what I think artificial intelligence is. I think and this is a I don't really think this is just a thought. Maybe the universe is God and maybe the way God is created is through intelligent life. That intelligent life creates a far superior version of itself in artificial intelligence, and that creates a far better version of itself infinitely. They just keep making better versions of itself as it has more of an understanding and more capacity and it grows and it makes better versions of itself. It's eventually going to get to God-like powers. The power to create universes, the power to create solar systems, the power to stop time, reverse time, the power to traverse immense distances instantaneously. It'll just have capabilities that we could only imagine. We could always just imagine if and it can do that. [1:07:03] If we look at how we're living right now in comparison to how people were living when they were making those cave paintings, like wow, you're insane. Yeah. Cave paintings to fucking. Yeah. It's not going to stop right here. Yeah, but what's the things that they can do, the 3D printing? 3D printing? Yeah. That's fucking crazy. No, it's the same. I mean, well you know, that's what they think the spaceships are made out of now. Yeah. Like when Bob Lazar was first examining, if he's telling the truth, when Bob Lazar was first examining the spaceships, the thing that blew him away was there's no seams. It didn't make any sense. Like how could one even make something like this? Well now that we know there's 3D printers and you could make something like that. I mean, I don't think you can make it that scale yet, but if you had enough of a capability, you had machines that could do it. Well, yeah, I mean, if we thought of it, and we're doing it and they're fucking, 60 million light years ahead of us. Right. Like who's to say they're not? Who's to say they're not 60,000 years ahead of us?. 600,000 or six million. Or like think about if you have a fucking time machine, you could go back to check out some [1:08:08] shit that already happened, but you could also go forward. I mean, we just have no comprehension of what you could, maybe you could like start a project in your lab, right? And then travel, and you get all these fucking AI robots to work on it and then you travel way forward and time and go get it and then bring it back. And then it's the fucking ultimate thing. You know, like that's what I'd be doing if I had time machines I'll be like all right I'm gonna get all these fucking helpers to build these awesome monuments and then I'm gonna go in forward and time and check on it all right did, you know what I mean? Like it would just give you, if you could manipulate time and travel through time, like it's an element, like, have you or checked out? But you wouldn't be able to experience it because like you would always be involved in time being manipulated, so there'd be no static time. So even in this static time, [1:09:01] something could intervene instantaneously always. For forever. What if we don't really understand the nature of time to make those definitions? What if you could, if you could get this time machine, what if you could kind of like step out of time in a lot of different ways that you don't think, would you know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. Like you could go into a timeline and you don't even necessarily affect that timeline. If you know how to just observe it. Right. And not like physically disturb it. But you do as affected if you go forward in the future. The idea of a time machine, the current idea of a time machine is that you can't travel where there are no roads. So once a time machine is invented, then everything from that time machine is invented forward becomes a completely different way of using time because time now is non-linear. Time now, anyone can go. [1:10:01] So everything happens all at once. So people from the future will be traveling back to the moment where the first time machine is invented. So everything will change instantly. Because if you're gonna invent a time machine and you live a million years in the future, assuming that humans even exist if a time machine gets invented, I mean, we might become obsolete almost instantaneously. But if you were a live human being, a million years after the time machine is invented, you would want to go back to the moment the thing was made. You would want, and so the moment they turn that motherfucker on, everything changes, forever. Singularity. Yeah, that might be the real singularity. That was one of the mechanics theories. Terence McKenna believed that we were going to come up with a time machine. He thought that was going to happen around December 21st 2012 Well, you you checked out his time we've zero Yeah, yeah, and you know how they came up with that those Taoist Precinct shit. How did that the fucking E-ching dude? They were right right deep meditations and they would take mushrooms too and they found out that the time can be [1:11:05] mapped and like predicted. That's where the fucking e-ching comes from. If people in the 60s got all into the e-ching, the e-ching is like a game, right? No, it's a it's a book. It's made up of, I'm not like an expert on it. But isn't there a game that's involved with the e-ching that McKenna sort of patented a pattern wave zero on. I don't know if he made a game of it, but it's not. Is the Eaching a game? It's like a fortune telling system. Right, that's what it's like. It's like a form of divination. Divination, right. Yeah, it is like a fortune telling thing. That's what it is, it's not a game. Yeah. I was trying to remember how he I haven't heard his stuff in a long time Try to remember how he described it But most people that have looked at time wave zero think it's kind of nonsense Including guys like Paul Stammett's they're like he's he's probably tripping real hard we came up with that I don't know. I think it's above their head. It might be I think I also is a ridiculous thing to [1:12:02] Subscribe to so a lot of people were reluctant to like open their cell up to ridicule but so is everything everything's ridiculous What's all these like religions and everything that everybody fucking is into everything's ridiculous Nothing is Taoism and time we've zero isn't any more ridiculous than anything else that people are fucking tarot cards it's I think it's really interesting because those I Really get into ancient Chinese culture, like I was into, you know, kung fu at a young age. So I've studied a lot of Chinese philosophy, Taoism, all that stuff. Those people are highly intelligent spiritual people who are doing deep meditations and discovering really profound truths, you know? I think that we are at a level where we're so intellectual, that we're almost too intellectual. So it's almost like we can only think about things in this scale. Like people see in a certain frequency, they can only see certain lights, but like dogs [1:13:03] can hear sounds we can't hear other stuff. So it's just like that. It's like our fucking intellect is like this. And we can figure out, but we exist within the context of our culture. Because we've fallen in love with this. Right. I'm on. But there's also this in your heart, your spirit, that that's what figured out the doubt to Ching. That's what figured out how to tame horses and be one with them and domesticate primates. It wasn't just us thinking cerebral. That's kind of limited. I think our real being is deeper than that. I think you can learn and know things because I don't think about my ideas for art. I don't try to come up with them intellectually. I just meditate, I wait for it to find me. And that's not an intellectual practice. Right, you know? But obviously it yields results, right? So it's the right way to do it. [1:14:01] Meanwhile, people wouldn't think about that. They would think, oh, like what's the straight, how do you do this? You add these boards and that's how you make a house. They want a system. They want a system. And that's how you make a computer. Exactly. Yeah. That's why Bruce Lee innovated martial arts because he said, like let's kind of break down all these systems. Let's not adhere to these. Right. He called it organized despair. All the karate forms and just doing your sparring and not really doing live training is a threshold that you don't want to cross. So you're stuck in this like, let's go through all these boring stupid rituals to try to prop up our bullshit society. When it's like, no, I think we've taken intellect as far as it's going to go. I think if we're going to get to the next level, we have to go deeper this way. And you know what I mean? Well, I think it should be both, right? And I think the problem is that with money and [1:15:00] with capitalism and our society and with our reward system is based on, it rewards people going towards the things that are going to get you results that you could show other people. You know, like houses and cars and stuff like that. Like a quick result. Well, like a physical tangible thing that's measured and cherished by society as opposed to spiritual growth. Yeah. You know, we don't think a spiritual growth is being, like it's almost like a frivolous pursuit of silly people. Yeah, I'm working on my spiritual growth. She fucking lays a bitch. Like what are you doing? Yeah, what are you actually doing? What are you sitting around and you fucking cookies on? Yeah, yeah, do it anyway. You know, self love. Okay, settle down. Okay. Okay, so hold down. Maybe you love yourself too much. Yeah, maybe think about yourself too much. There's so many other things to think about you know and it's just We have a very complex society that has a gravity to it and it sucks you in and it makes you a part of it And you don't have a whole lot of say you get locked in and you get locked in when you're really young [1:16:04] Get indoctrinated in the education system and then you get outside of it and you have to make a living and take care of yourself and pay your bills. You get locked in. You get wild space. You get wild space is happening right above you and every now and then you're forced to see it like I don't know if you guys got any of the northern lights from the solar storms. Like, did you get it? Yeah. What was it like? Just, I mean, I don't see it. My daughter is just sending me pictures of it. Yeah. My buddy lives in Montana and he was sending me photos of what's going on. And Jamie, your buddy in Ohio, right? Well, yeah, all my friends in Ohio saw it. So yeah, yeah, it's wild. It's crazy how that just happened all over the place. Well, we knew about it. We knew they were coming because there's two different types of radiation that comes from those storms. When they have these big coronal mass ejections, one of them reaches us in seconds. I think that's gamma waves. Is that what that is? That [1:17:02] reaches us in seconds. And then the second one takes days to get us. And that's the one that can take out your cell phone towers and fuck up communications and shut down the grid. And if it gets big enough, we're really doomed. Yeah, we have a very, very vulnerable system. And we're essentially living in a house with a glass ceiling, hoping that it doesn't hail. Fuck. Ha ha ha ha ha. Don't help me sleep good at night. Right, if you park your car outside, if most of the time, your car's fine. Most of the time, it doesn't hail. But if it hails, your car's glass. You're ceiling on that car. Your car's gonna give fucked up. I'm sure you've seen like damage that hails caused to people's cars. Yeah. Fuck, man. And that is an unpredictable thing that happens way more often than these massive solar ejections. But if they get big enough, they get big enough. We're fucked. If they get big enough, we are back in the caveman days, kids. [1:18:03] I mean, we still have books and we'll be reading them by candlelight but all refrigerations gone. You're gonna have biodiesel generators. You're gonna have to start making beef jerky again. Oh yeah yeah you're gonna need beef jerky. You're gonna need water purification tablets. You're gonna need someone who can figure out how to make those water purification tablets without electricity. Someone who tests the water on before you drink it. Bro, you need a whole bunch of things. It could get real squirrely. What is, when they have a coronal mass ejection, what is the, there's two different types of, I know I'm very, I'm lost in this, in the science of it. It says that all, first it said all waves travel at the same speed, which I was like, okay, that's not looking for right here is they all travel to speed of light. The waves do. Visible or gamma, right? So those reach us in a few seconds. But then I'm seeing they end up traveling up to a million miles a second. Whoa. So that's what I'm like, I'm trying to find out which waves are the ones we're talking about then. So how many million miles away is this? Is that faster than light? Millions miles a second. I was about to do that calculation next I think it is but I don't really exactly it's [1:19:06] The speed of light is like it's something meters per second. This is how we figure out time travel These motherfuckers it's like 278,000 meters per second or something I guess that could be close to a million miles per second Either way that motherfucker is not stable dude that son me it's fairly stable But every now and then it'll blow a gasket and you get just crazy waves headed towards us They'll just like having a really crazy friend that just might fucking yeah One new mom to a bar. I got PTSD's on LSD. No, he's a good dude. I swear What was the worst version of it? Wasn't there something that happened that took out like Morse code towers in the 1800s? I think there was one big historical mass ejection that was documented within the last couple hundred years that they say if it happened today we would be [1:20:04] really fucked. That this same thing if it happened today we would be really fucked. That this same thing if it happened today. The Carrington event is what it's called the West Intense Geomegnetic Storm and Recorded History. When was that one? September 1st. You put it out. You put it out. You put it out. You put it out. You put it out. You put it out. You put it out. You put it out. You GeomaticNetics Storm recorded history, peaking from one to two, September 1859 during solar cycle 10, created strong, or oral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations. Yeah, so like what the fuck would that do today? So it just blows up everything that has electricity in it. Yeah, it just cooks everything. Dude, what if everybody's car just blew up? Everybody's fucking house. Oh yeah, probably would, probably cook your fucking computer in your car. September 1st is, Quarantine was sketching on sunspots. He was blinded by a sudden flash of light. Quarantine described it as a white light flare according to NASA space flight. [1:21:01] The whole event lasted about five minutes. The flare was a major coronal mass ejection, a burst of magnetized plasma from the Sun's upper atmosphere, the corona. In 17.6 hours, the coronal mass ejection traversed over 90 million miles between the sun. Okay, that's the distance. She's the sun, the earth, 150 million kilometers. And unleashed its force, its force on our planet, according to NASA Space Flight, it usually takes CMEs multiple days to reach Earth. The day after, Carrington observed the impressive flare, Earth experienced an unprecedented geomagnetic storm with telegraph systems going, hey, wire and a rural displays, normally confined to polar latitudes visible in the tropics. According to NASA science. Carrington put two and two together and realized that the solar flare he'd seen was almost certainly the cause of this massive geomagnetic disturbance. This was a connection that had never previously been made according to NASA spaceflight. The solar storm of 1859 is now known as the Carrington event in his [1:22:03] honor. Wow. So if that happened today, what Google what would happen if the Carrington event happened today? Let's find that one out there. Your fucking cell phone just blows up. Oh, probably, you probably cooks everything. But that's what's really scary is that all of our cars are controlled by computers. Unless you have an old car that has a carburetor, you're fucked. Unless you have an old car that has a carburetor you're fucked Unless you have an old-ass, you know that 1988 Toyota truck. You're in you're in a bad spot Right there what would happen with a character in the event today people ask first one click on that um as such Hudson suggested that a solar flare on the level of a guaranteed event might not pose as big a threat to humankind as some fear still, a guaranteed event pointed at Earth today would have substantial impacts mainly on human activities in space. Also, wouldn't kill our grid? Not right now. I think they're just fucking guessing. Yeah, they don't want to freak people out, dude. [1:23:01] I don't know. Because if it's never happened, how do you know what would happen? Also, that one, the the guaranteed event, we don't really totally know how big it was. Right. Because they didn't have the instruments to measure it back then. And what if there's one that's double that? I mean, if that can happen, something bigger can happen. I mean, it's not, I mean, we've only been around a short amount of time. The fucking sun's been around for billions of years. Like, how long is it ever now? And then it shoots off a big wattage is. And blasts us with some plasma. It destroys all our technology. He's just up there. You know, when they first started observing gamma ray bursts in the universe. They thought that there was wars going on in space. Well, yeah, when they first started detecting these gamma ray bursts, they found that they were happening like every couple of seconds all over space. And they were reading too much science fiction. No, no, they realized what they didn't know what it was, like what are these bursts? [1:24:03] And then they realized there're something called hypernovas So if a hypernova like if our son goes hypernova, that's a wrap. That's a wrap for everything. Yeah Yeah, but it did cook and that's what they're detecting all over the place. Yeah, so sons are always fucking blown up Yeah, well there's so many of them eventually they reach the end of their life cycle and if they hypernova if if they're big enough, they have enough mass and they hypernova, that's a wrap for the whole solar system. I think it's a wrap for other solar systems that are close by too. I think it's a wrap for pretty much everything. But maybe you get to that point where, is this Jamie? Captures a supernova. Hypernova is actually even bigger than a supernova So this is the Nash the the Hubble telescope captured a supernova, but there was a I think was a science channel had this [1:25:00] Documentary on hypernovas where these people were talking about how when they first started measuring them They're like oh shit like I met because this is like post-World War II We understand atomic bombs. Like what do these guys have? Like these guys are blowing up whole planets out there. Like, oh fuck. Imagine thinking that the universe is teaming with life and that life is so violent that it's blowing up planets. Total Star Wars shit. Yeah, you'd have to, if you were that scientist, you just have to be like, holy fuck. What do I tell people? Yeah. And you wouldn't, you probably wouldn't want to tell them that, but you'd have to tell like the generals, I would think there might be fucking Star Wars going on. I'm sure they had meetings. I'm sure they had meetings. When they first detected these things, I'm sure they were like, oh Jesus Okay, Mr. Eisenhower, we've got some problems. We're gonna do. We might not be shit after all. Yeah, well, we're something to us, but in the greater scheme of it all, I mean, the universe doesn't seem to care if it cooks entire solar systems every couple of seconds. Well, because I mean, the universe has to know more than we do. [1:26:00] So we're over here thinking we're all bad ass. How do we know it's not better if he gets apt and then you fucking Right here in a different dimension. That's probably what happens. Yeah, what are hypernovas? I'm gonna show you this one. I was just finding on this video about the largest supernova ever SN1572 which I guess that's the year so it was visible for 23 days. Oh my God. And 362 nights. Wow. So then like I'm watching the video, this is non-scientific. It looked like a star or a planet that wasn't actually there if they were observing it for so long. They would have ended up in a book. And I don't know what they have thought was going on. Yeah, with Dave Noen who was a supernova back then like how much did they know about that? How big did they say they saw? Did they talk about it? Well, I'm trying to just go off without listening to Just go off pictures and words and stuff Not quite sure though you imagine living back then You see some fucking flare in sky. They look Yeah, they were looking at look at that bullshit telescope [1:27:03] He puts his eye up to it and it just fries his fucking eye out. Oh right, imagine. Yeah, those dummies are just stares. He's looking right at this super- AHHHHH! Did you watch the clips? The last one, no. You didn't see it? No. Oh my god, it was wild, man. It was weird. I saw the one before that I was down in Santa Fe. Oh yeah. And so I was outside, but I can't remember what I was doing, but I was like, oh, there's in clips. That's how I had a touch I am, dude. I don't even hear it. Well, this was such a big one that everybody was preparing and, you know, Rokus sent us some sunglasses, so I went out in my backyard and washed it. It was pretty dope, man. It's weird Like everything stopped all the sounds stopped and then you just have this bizarre moment for a couple minutes where it's dark out Yeah, it's all weird and empty and then the the eclipse looked amazing It's so weird that the sun and the moon are the perfect size That they line up that way that gets people like weirded it out they go how is what are the odds? [1:28:05] Is there any other planet in our solar system that experiences that? Yeah. Oh, shit. What are the odds that it's exactly? That the one planet that has intelligent life, that it's blocked out perfectly by our moon. And what does that, what does that do? Like, I don't know, man. Like, it may be a superstitious or something, but I think those cosmic cycles. I think it's a reminder. Yeah. I think it's certainly a reminder of just the vastness and bizzarness of space itself when you realize like, oh, there's a giant nuclear explosion in the sky that keeps the lights on. Yeah, and then there's a lot of it's blocked. Yeah, the other fucking rock that just blocks it out is perfectly, yeah, sized and shaped. And that rock is also perfectly sized to give us a stable gravity. That we're not wobbling enough [1:29:01] so that we don't vary too much in our temperature. It keeps us stable because it's pretty big. That moon's pretty fucking big. And the tides and everything. It's all very weird. What the ant eclipse of one of the moons of Mars looks like. It's so small and not doesn't fit perfectly. Yeah, it doesn't fit perfectly at all. It just goes across it. So that's the shadow that it casts that weird. Yeah. I wonder if there's are there any other planets in the solar system that would experience an eclipse that's similar to ours? I was trying to just look at that like I was thinking Saturn's got multiple moons. Is there any way? It kind of would have to be a line up in one time. Right it would have to be a moon like one of them would have to line up and it have to be the same size as the Sun in terms of like how it fits in the sky the distance so that it's the perfect size to block it out because it's it's so perfect like you all you see it's like as it passes over you just see the outside light you see this black circle in the outside light. It's a weird ring it's perfect yeah it's perfectly [1:30:04] established to give us an eclipse. That is weird when you think about it. It is, but the whole thing is weird. It's probably one of the least weird things about space. I had an astronomy class in high school and that class would just trip me out hearing about how infinite and like the white dwarves and the pulsars and all the shit that's out there that they can see so far out there as wild. And then I got really sad when Eddie said space is fake. I don't think he's an expert. I like Eddie. It's really good to be a choking people though. Because you beat Hoiler. I'm gonna listen to you. There's some real interesting stuff that's going on now where they're finding galaxies that are so far away and are so far formed, they're so well formed that they don't think that they should exist given the timeline of the universe. They're very confused as to how these things exist, [1:31:02] where they exist, that they shouldn't have been formed in this way. And this one of those fucking things. Well, I think what it is is it's probably the universe is probably older than we think it is. I think they're just with the web telescope. They're just starting to be able to detect these structures in deep space that they're so far away and they're so old that they shouldn't be able to exist if the Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago. Maybe they found a way to stabilize themselves. Like if you're, because you gotta think, like if you're the right place, the right time, your technology advances high enough before you destroy yourself, maybe you don't have a planet where everybody likes a killing children, you have world wars every fucking hundred years. And you don't have a planet where everybody likes to kill each other and you have world wars every fucking hundred years and you don't nuke whatever and you build your technology in a good way. Maybe you could stabilize it so fucking big bang happens and you got some time wave zero shit that you know. That's the least likely. The most likely is we have a bad understanding of how old space is. Galaxies that shouldn't exist keep being discovered by the James Webb Space Telescope. [1:32:09] Brightred spec appears against the backdrop of a space photo, but astronomers say that it shouldn't be there. But there it is. Published today in the journal Nature, an international research team led by Carl Glazenbrook from Swineburn University of Technology in Melbourne says that the light reaching Earth from this galaxy named JWST 7329 is 11.5 billion years old and comes from an ancient assembly of stars likely formed 13 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense because it's been thought until now there wasn't enough dark matter in the early universe to prompt this formation. Current understandings of what grows a galaxy suggests that dark matter halos which are filled were fields of invisible material in space coalesce and collect stars and galaxies within their structure. It's only because of the James Webb space telescope that the team has been able to clarify what the reds back was [1:33:06] in seven years of long observations using ground-based kek, the Hawaii Observatory, and the VLT and Chile. All they could see was a faint red smudge. NASA's James Webb Telescope, it's been such an incredible thing, been waiting for the last 30 years, been delivering all those dreams we've had, glazing broke-t Cosmos. This is something we've been working on over the years. Deeper and deeper surveys looking for the oldest and most massive galaxies that formed. We did the calculations of how old it is and it's way beyond the bounds of what's reasonable to form in the cold, dark matter dominated universe. It's really a huge puzzle. So I think they have crude instruments, relatively crude instruments for seeing that far back and they keep getting better and the james web is better than the hubble and the the the more they can see the more it reveal spuzzles it's just not exactly sure what the fuck is going on out there and when they find out who like it that it is made does not make you wonder [1:34:03] like what the fuck what's the answer? You know? Well, they also don't even know if the Big Bang is actually the beginning of the universe. That's, there's a lot of people including Sir Roger Penrose, think the Big Bang, the universe existed before the Big Bang. And that, there's also people that believe that there might be this constant cycle of Big Bang expansion and then ultimately compression and then big bang again. I mean, that's really wild. But that makes sense because it's like, how is there nothing? Right. How is there just nothing and then all of a sudden? A big bang. Yeah, it'd be more likely like everything expands. Was that track? But isn't it a weird thing to think, how is there something? If there wasn't nothing, why is there something? Why is there always been something? That seems even less likely. Like what the fuck is that? Right, but I mean we gotta like assume if there's something now, probably always stuff was something. [1:35:02] But how could it always be something? What did it, how did it start? That's the freaking, yeah, that's the question. Like if you ever got to meet God, you'd be like, what predated you? Right. What created you? Right, you know? Right in your mind blows. And he'd be like, chat GP2. Yeah. Like, awww. And then you'd be like, I am a fucking cyborg. I think we're going to find out some very interesting stuff for the next five years. I think in the next five years things are going to get real fucking squirreling. But you know, there's no other choice than to look forward to it. Well, no one's going to hit the brakes. We're going to ride this out and to it. Well, I mean, no one's gonna hit the brakes. We're gonna ride this out and enjoy it. So you just gotta think, well, is we live in interesting times? We definitely live in interesting times. I think the most interesting times, because there was an interview recently where someone was talking about this [1:36:00] and they were saying that this is the first time in history that no one has any idea what it's gonna look like in 20 years. Or probably even five. Probably even five. Yeah. Because the way everything's expanding exponentially, kind of leads you to believe it's gonna continue to do that. And then what are those unpredictable changes gonna be? Right. You know, my fucking life is completely different than it was five years ago, bro. Unpredictable shit happened to me and But I don't know well the whole world's different than it was four years ago, right? Koby comes along everything changes. Yeah, the whole world's different now So like what yeah, what does that look like? What does it look like five 20 years from now? It's gonna be weird, man. I'll tell you that there's no way it's not gonna be weird. It's weird already [1:37:06] You know, yeah or something to do. Well, it's definitely something to do, and you definitely can't stop it. So you definitely should just live your life and enjoy it. But it doesn't make it any less fascinating. You know, it is absolutely fascinating. Yeah. But this is the timeline that we're in for whatever reason. That's what gets real weird. It right now. Why are you in this timeline? Why is this the time that you exist? Have you existed before? Is this your first time in this timeline? You know, everybody wants to assume it is. Like, someone said to me once that they wouldn't, like, there's this, there's this theory I'm sure you're aware of this theory that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right You know to eat that enlightenment is possible Well you you have to you you got to go at it over and over and over and over and over and over again until you nail it and I was talking with a friend of mine like oh fuck. I wouldn't want to do that. I'm like, okay [1:38:01] If you wouldn't want to do that Do you like life now because I love life now. I'm like, okay, if you wouldn't want to do that, do you like life now? Because I love life now. I'm having a great time. So someone said to me that I have to do this all over again. Why would that be so bad? Why am I scared of that? But everybody's scared of that. Everybody's scared of starting from scratch again, being a baby again. But remember when you were a white belt? Sure, it was fucking awesome. Not really. Well, no, I... I'm not talking about just getting smashed and choked. I'm talking about looking forward to learning. Sure. And maybe I should've said blue belt. But it's like... I got smashed a lot as blue belt. I like looking forward to this big journey. You know what I mean? When I first started doing kung fu when I was like 19 or 20 I didn't know it and we didn't have to get choked so it was just fun, you know And I was like, oh, I don't know anything about this But I have so much to learn it's gonna be so cool and then after years and years I'm kind of jaded. I've done it so fucking long I don't think I really even appreciate it anymore. I know what you're saying. Yeah There's there's a thing that you can get jaded by a thing and new things are all very exciting [1:39:06] That's why it's really important for people It's just for you the health of your mind to try new things Yeah, or to try things where you're not that good at try to keep getting better because it's like this Thing that you have to do to practice and learn it's very in a rich is the way you think about everything. Yeah it's so valuable to be able to do that and to be able to realize you're doing that and you're capable of learning new things. And that really is what makes you live is dude. And that is why people get stagnant because it's like when you were a kid, you were always trying to learn something new. You weren't like, oh fuck, I'm jaded, I just, man, I don't know what I'm going to do. You were trying to learn. And so if you continue to do that, learn and play and just accept and have fun, you don't have to get old, you don't have to get stale, you don't have to get bored. You can fucking enjoy this life. You can. Yeah certainly can if you find things that are exciting. [1:40:06] That's the saddest thing I think is someone who doesn't have a thing. Someone who doesn't have a thing that excites them. Someone who doesn't engage with something that stimulates them. I think you need it as a human organism. The human organism needs little puzzles and stuff to do. Makes it exciting for it. If you don't do that, you're gonna feel shitty. Yeah, you do. You get bored. I mean, God, the best, most happy times in your life are when you have all these exciting projects. You don't know if it's even gonna work, but like holy shit, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna get excited about this and fucking go after it. Hey, let me ask you this about your work because I was wanted to ask you this question. When you're painting Crazy Horse, is there any part of you that doesn't want to do that? Because like Crazy Horse did not want to be photographed. So you have to paint what you imagine Crazy Horse would be, it's kind of crazy that that dude got so, [1:41:02] you know, no pun intended, got so famous and managed to avoid having this picture taken. I think he knew there were mug shots. Do you think that's what it was? I think when I look back at all those, the photographs, I think they were fucking, he wasn't, he was a smart dude. He didn't want his picture out there, so he couldn't be identified because they were trying to kill him. They're definitely trying to kill them. I think like, you know, I definitely do a lot of spiritual work. I do spiritual work. But no, like spiritual introspection. And you know, like I have friends from the Ogla la Tribe who are like related to him that I talk to and learn stories from the Lakota, the Oguala themselves. So I try to have a deep insight for it, do a lot of research, what he really would have looked like, and also just think, is this the right thing to do? Do I have permission to do this? And if that kind of comes [1:42:02] through and the Lakota's themselves, they don't get a hold of me in that problem and I talk to them about it, then it's okay. But it's like, it's not from an actual photograph. Of course. It's just from your mind. Yeah. Well, not even that. I try to, like I think about a black elks description of them and just try to put together the facial features of my mind. How did they deal with that sculpture, that giant sculpture of Crazy Horse? The one that hasn't been finished yet? I don't know, but I don't really. I like the idea of what they're doing, but it doesn't look that much to me like how I imagine looking. It's weird. You know, how do you do a giant sculpture of a guy and say, it's this guy? You don't even know what that guy looked like. How do you do it? I think they're doing that to kind of just pay tribute to him. Seems like a weird thing to do though. Well, because I don't think I don't know. [1:43:00] I don't want to talk shit about you. There's like one family that's doing this right yeah, and I want to talk shit on this Dude's project. What is that image of him a scroll up where you did right the They above that right there right there click on that. What is that? That's a bronze statue or something. That's supposed to be crazy horse Random stuff. Yeah, but he didn't he like cut pieces off of his body, like before he went to war, cut like a hundred pieces off of his skin. That sitting bowl. Sitting bowl did that? Didn't crazy horse do that as well? No. Crazy horse didn't participate in a lot like the Sundance where you're... No, I mean, he cut like pieces of his skin off, like marked his skin. No, that was sitting bull. See if there's a story about crazy horse before we go to battle cutting pieces of his skin off. Cause I thought they said that crazy horse he did it as well, that he had like cut little pieces of himself off of his arms, that he had little scars all over his arms. [1:44:00] I hadn't heard that, but I heard sitting bull before the battle of Little Big Horn. Before the battle, Little Big Horn, sitting bull cut like a hundred pieces off his shoulders and his back. Maybe that's what I'm remembering. And all that to get a vision of what the battle was going to be like and then he stared into the sun and he saw all these soldiers falling into the camp. And so that's where, because sitting bull was kind of like the general, he was a little older at the time. Oh, the battle and he had a bad wound on his leg, but he was a visionary, really respected medicine man, leader, and crazy horse was the actual fighter. So he'd go and kind of lead the troops and do the actual fighting. Did you find anything about crazy horse cutting pieces of his skin off? So maybe I'm fucking it up. But the thing that gets me is that they had these methods. I mean, these are people that are living in a time where you had to be pragmatic. You couldn't... You couldn't pretend that you could see things. If you did a certain thing. You were trying to achieve a vision. [1:45:07] So they had probably done it before and they had methods to do it. And a lot of their methods involve pain. You know, like the thing where they would pierce their nipples and suspend them. Yeah, Sundance. Crazy shit man. They did these things at a time where, you know, you're living a subsistence lifestyle You don't have a lot of time for fucking around for nonsense Yeah, and yeah, they found value in like self-torture. Yeah Well, it's I mean it kind of do you have any paintings on the Sundance? No, I was I was working on a painting of a Sundancer that has the white sage They'd put white sage around their head like this, kind of like a halo and then a wearer, eagle bone whistle here. And they paint themselves white with the spots there. And you're suspended hanging by your nipples. And you have to not eat for four days, not drink water. [1:46:03] And everybody around the village like gets to tease you and throw little spear twigs at your legs and shit and just like it's an endurance ritual. And eventually it rips out of your chest. Yep, once it rips out and like dude friends of mine from South Dakota they still have those those scars like this. Bro. Yeah. Did you ever see male cold horse? they still have those those scars like this. Bro. Yeah. Did you ever see a male cold horse? A Metafuckian. I own that. I got that on DVD. Yeah. What was that gentleman's name? Richard Harry. That's right. Yeah. He goes through that ritual. Yeah. There's always that story though about, that's why people get angry. There's a story about the white guy who goes and kicks ass with the Indians. Yeah, everything. Sheldon. Fuck off. Yeah. Cause it like doesn't give the Indians enough credit. Right. In a way. Right. That one you can see has a little bit of the white savior thing to it. Sure. But it's not, it's not like they're not giving you something. They're, that's what I think is the native culture has taught me so much. That's why I painted it. That's why I got into that as a kid [1:47:07] because it was an alternative to mind prison of the system of the schools. I could see in the people's eyes that they were free, that they were real, that they were powerful individuals. And I wanted to follow that. I didn't want to listen to like my second grade teacher who is I wanted to follow that. I didn't want to listen to my second grade teacher who was nothing I ever want to be like. So those books, and I still have those books. That's what inspired me to do this. And that's what keeps me going and sharing it with the world because I want to say this is a valuable, amazing culture that we blindly destroyed and committed a genocide on. There are millions of people over here and the whites came over and we're just so fucking dumb that they just they wasted a lot of good knowledge but there's still pieces of it alive and maybe we could do it we can to pay that back learn from it. My fear is that if it wasn't for the ability to use media in the 20th and 21st century, [1:48:09] we might have lost the true story forever. You have a, imagine if we, you know, because the world wasn't much different in terms of our technological capabilities from like 1500 to 1700. Right. But from 1800 to the year 2000, it's a giant fucking difference. And that's when people started going, hey, what the fuck happened? We should write books, like real books. I mean, you fucking really researched this. It's a perspective, yeah. I remember the first time I read Empire of the Summer Moon, which is about this place right here. Right where we're at, I was like, Jesus. Like, how where we're at. I was like, Jesus. Like how could we, how did I not know this? How does this not taught in school? Like what happened? Because it's a fascinating story. I know. And you do really, really have to wonder that. Why is that left out when it's one of our best stories? [1:49:02] Like I was talking to some of these guys out here earlier about why is Kwanis story just not as popular as like Custer and Crazy Horse? Right, Kwanoparker. Yeah, and I think it's because it's more complex. It's not as easy as the one guy from the one culture, the one battle, Custer, Crazy Horse fight. Right. Done. It's more of like, it's all over. There's Jack Hayes, there's, you know, Kwanoparka, there's the formation of the Texas Rangers. There's a technology of the cult. And there's another example of Cynthia Ann Parker, another example of someone who was kidnapped at a young age, became a command machine, and then they rescued her and she's like I want to be rescued. Yeah. I want to go back. I'm trying to escape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a time man. And so sad how she like how she died thinking that Kwanoh was dead and he wasn't. Yeah. And just how much he like wanted to honor her memory and how much you know he loved his mom and he like a good dude he was, like just such a badass warrior. [1:50:07] And then he was also a diplomat and took care of everyone and built that star house. You know? Also kind of crazy that he killed all the white people. And still, that is to meet the pressure and hang out with everybody. People would have, like, forgave shit back then. They're like, yeah, let's let that go. That's the time we live in. Everybody was murdering everybody back then. That's what was really wild. It's like just human life back then was worth so much less. People were so much more savage. Dude, the story of just Texas and the fucking Comanches is so wild and it's so unappreciated. And I like, I really think that with our country and our culture, we really do have a cool history. That was so unique where, you know what I mean? Nothing like that really ever happened. And like to your point, we had a way to keep records on it. But there's all these rad stories about native history. [1:51:02] Like there's this dude, William Weatherby. If you can look up the story of William Weatherby, the Creek Warrior Red Eagle. He led this big rebellion of the Creek Indians and the government hired Andrew Jackson, who was later president. I think to go fight him, he's this big civil war general and these creeks would build these big fortifications and try to fight off the army and they blow it apart with cannons and just slaughtered like hundreds of creeks, fought this big protracted war with them like in Alabama. And nobody even knows about the fuck Creek War or who William Weatherby is. But when you hear his story dude, he's like William Wallace of America. You won't believe this motherfucker, okay? His whole village is getting wiped out and there, and he's a leader and they're like, where's William, I was gonna say Wallace, where's William Weatherby? Weatherford? Is it Weatherford? Well, I couldn't find a Weatherby, but I got a Weatherford. Weatherby's a rifle. Yeah So anyway, he's this Creek Warrior and he's like the leader and he's getting tracked down and they're trying to find him and they're like basically [1:52:09] It's kind of like the Braveheart how they're like why do you have an American name? I mean back then they were Interacting a lot with the English and it wasn't uncommon for a native to have a white name I think it was half white half Indian too But he was such a bad astute. So they're basically like saying, if you don't, if Red Eagle, that's his Indian name, doesn't come in, we're gonna just really devastate these people, we're gonna, you know, all your people are gonna be having a bad time. So they were like basically gonna hurt his tribe if he doesn't surrender, okay. And so he's riding in to surrender and he sees a deer, if I can shoot it, picks it up, guts it, throws it over his saddle and keeps riding in to go surrender. And he gets there to Andrew Jackson. And he's like, if I had an army, I'd fight you to the death. [1:53:02] But you've killed all my warriors and I only have women and children and I'm not going to let them suffer so you can chase me so here I am. Fucking kill me if you want to. Do whatever. What did you do? Well Andrew Jackson actually said this dude's so brave let's have a drink. They went in the tent tent drink some whiskey and As they're in the tent everybody's chanting all the soldiers are chanting see there is Kill him kill him kill him kill him. That's the soldiers big chance all around from the army Kill him kill him kill him Jackson walks out Everyone's quiet Does let me tell you ready? Eagle is the bravest motherfucker of all of y'all. And if anybody touches their hair on his head, you're gonna answer to me. Don't fuck with Red Eagle. And let's go. Imagine being a fly on the wall during that meeting. Yeah. See that guy coming and sit down. Yeah. But just the bravest, if you read this story and he gives this incredible speech, like I didn't really do it justice, [1:54:06] but he's just very eloquent, you know, says this shit and is like, do what you want with me. Don't fuck with my people. I don't. The history of Native Americans, there's so many people don't know what happened. So many people don't know that Native Americans went to Paris and met with whoever the hell was in charge back then. Yeah. Crazy shit. The actual truth is stranger than fiction. Yeah. You know? Because the people right and fucking movies are going to go, I don't want to try that. A fucking hard cowboy Indian. Right. Put in the can, whatever they say. I wonder if someone's going to do a real realistic movie about the Comanche. It doesn't test strangers. They say I wonder if someone's gonna do like a real realistic movie about the Comanche And the teachers Rangers take the dude the Yellowstone dude doing the Empire of a summer moon That's right. Is he doing that? Is that official? [1:55:02] That's gonna be what he'll do it right Taylor Sheridan knows what the fuck he's doing. He'll do it right if anybody should be entrusted with that Did you see 1883? Oh, yeah amazing? Amazing, I? Amazing. So good. And how the Lakota's, how they put the feces on the arrows to poison them. Yellowstone Tailshared in Lanz and part of the Summer Moon will write in direct epic Comanche leader, Kwana and the rise and fall of Old West Fierce's tribe, January 18, 2024. Fuck yeah. He's gonna nail it what's that gonna be like it's gonna be a lot of i hope that the westerns come back as a genre because i really think we should take pride in our history more you know what i mean i think it would bond us more is just like we're americans are are uh... like ancestors they fucking went across the sea they went across the continent they fucked with the command G's like they were brave they're crazy that's who our ancestors are they should be honored dude we should be thinking about them going we're Americans we're bad ass we won the fucking world war two we the you know some of us had a couple of lone stars like yeah [1:56:02] not damn it we're fucking Americans. You know what I mean? We fucking did it, bro. Like this is the history, dude. It's a fascinating history. It's certainly a fascinating history. And it's riddled with horror stories. Horror stories and amazing accomplishments and brave people and all of it mixing together. Yeah. Crazy stuff. Yeah. Well listen, brother, no one captures it better. No one captures the Native American imagery and just the feeling of it better than you. Your stuff's awesome man And so it's been dope getting to become friends with you. Yeah, same here dude. I can't thank you enough Being here is such an honor You know helping me get my art out there to the world Just can't thank you enough bro. Oh, I'm more than happy more than happy that people get to see your shit It's awesome. Yeah, well, I'm gonna keep trying to put good stuff out there. You will. I'm sure you know I have a hundred percent faith in you everything you do is dope. I appreciate a lot. What's up Jamie? I thought you said something. Oh listen man. Thanks for coming appreciate it tell everybody how they can see your stuff finds online [1:57:03] You can just look me up online. Greg over to find art. Instagram Greg over to find art. I'll be in Santa Fe during Indian market. Mid August and I'll I'll be at the fucking Jackson Hole art auction. There it is. One man show Jackson Hole art auction in September. And that's the fucking top of the top. So there it is. One man show Jackson Hole Art Auction in September. And that's the fucking top of the top. There it is. I see you. My man. Appreciate you very much, man. Thank you for coming. Yeah, man. Bye, everybody.