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Tulsi Gabbard

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Tulsi Gabbard is a Former United States Representative, Iraq War veteran, host of the "The Tulsi Gabbard Show," and author of the new book "For Love of Country: Leave the Democrat Party Behind." www.tulsigabbard.com

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I The Joe Rogan experience This is the second time we ever worked out together. I know I feel great. It was awesome right? It was great It's a great way to get the days started. It was perfect actually. We do these comedian boot camps so we got did it today. We did it with Hasan and Derek and Shane Shane Gillis and We have fun. You know, so you get the workout in and you talk a lot of shit and you get silly It's really fun. It's like real silly. Yeah, you know, we have a good time. Yeah, I Yeah, thanks for the invite. It was. Oh my pleasure. I've been on the road for, I don't know, for weeks. And so, you know, if you're lucky, you get a decent hotel gym. Right. But you gotta be really creative. Yeah. Most of them, the best they'll have are you know, that's it. I just realized you're the second celebrity to do that with us and the second Hawaiian. Because I rocked it. There's someone going on with pride here. Something going on with the Hawaiian. I love to figure out, you know, Max Holloway is Hawaiian and someone too. He didn't work out though. Max, last time who's here, he was just off of his win. Yeah, he gets a break after that, man. Wow. Yeah, it takes some time. No, that, that, um, I was telling you, like, the sauna, I am definitely like from the islands because I'm okay with heat. So 20 minutes in the sauna, it was good, it was challenging, but it was good. Yeah. The cold, however. That ice bath. I've done that like a quick polar punch briefly, jumping in, jumping out. And that one was at the lowest setting in terms of the jets of water. So what we have is called a blue cube. And blue cube is the type of cold plunge [2:02] that has an engine in it that you can turn on to higher levels of waves. If you turn it to the highest level, it's just rushing at you a river. Is that better or worse? Horrible. It's horrible. You never develop a thermal barrier. If you can just like cold, all cold water immersion is very good for you. It's good for cold-shock proteins, norip and effron, mood, stabilization, makes you feel better. All those things are good, but the still cold is much more tolerable for whatever, I don't know what's better for you. See, that's the question. Like is it better? Is it just as good and more tolerable? Or is it better to be more to suffer for the full three minutes because if you turn that bitch up or more is the benefit proportional to the suffering is not sure I'm not sure if you suffer more if you get more benefit or if there's a point where you're actually hurting your body right now like maybe maybe there's a point I mean obviously if you stay in the [3:01] cold water too long you'll die that's what hypothermia is yeah, but there's a level where if you just get a few minutes in, it's really good for you. So I don't know if it's better, if you're miserable. Yeah, right. I don't know. But if you wanna test your mind, that blue cube is the one to do, because that sucker gets fast. That sucker gets like a river. So you just laying in there and it's like shed of cold water. The moment it sucks when you climb in, that moment never changes. That's the difference because in a regular cold plunge after a while you develop like this thermal barrier and even though it sucks, it only sucks like 80% of what it's sucked when you first got in. Yeah. With the blue cube it's 100% sucked. The whole ride, sucky, suck, suck, suck, just sucks. So it sounds like you gotta try it at least once. Yeah. And figure it out. We did the, just doing it the way you did it for three minutes. Like I said, the first time I did, I did like a minute and 24 seconds all work. I couldn't chicken out in front of all the guys, you know what I mean? It's like, the rocks. Like, okay, I'm not gonna be the one who chickens out at a minute. [4:05] That's not an option. Well, you did it. You did it. No, it was good. It was good. It was very challenging. It was good. We don't have a cold punch. It's like, okay, I'm not gonna go in like find bags of ice every single day from 7-11 and dump in the bathtub when I can, I just like dump my face in ice cubes and water. That's good too. Yeah, I mean, that'll wake you up. All that stuff's good. There's some pretty recently priced options for coolers that you could actually do in a bathtub now. There's a bunch of different ways to do it, but if you got the scratch, like one of these blue cubes or something similar, little moroscow makes a really good one too, they're really good. I can see how that feel, the after feeling gets kind of addictive. I'm sure someone will reach out to you. Try to get you to use their shit. It's very good though. But it's also like the camaraderie, the fun. [5:01] For sure. We have fun, listen music. For sure. Laugh a lot. Exactly. this is perfect yeah it's a good way to get a podcast started yeah oh by the way congratulations to the marijuana enjoyers of the world because the DEA officially rescheduled marijuana to they're gonna reschedule the schedule three wow would still it should it shouldn't be illegal yes we. We know that. I agree. But baby steps, you know, the fact that it's making progress at all just shows that the, you know, the collective will of the people is being heard, at least somewhat. There was, I'm trying to remember who it was. Somebody was telling me that like the decriminalization crew, they gave an American flag made out of hemp to a member of Congress to fly above the Capitol because it's a normal thing. Like, you know, I would get people when I was in Congress calling and saying, hey, it's, you know, my friend is retiring from the military from 30 years. Can you fly a flag in honor of him or her? [6:02] And so you get a little certificate with it and this like there are many flags that go up and down every day that are given as gifts to people. So someone did it with a flag, American flag made out of hemp. And apparently it caused major problems within the DEA and within the administration saying how dare you, how could anyone allow this to happen? It made zero sense whatsoever, but it just pointed to the backwards mindset and thinking and the sensitivity within the DEA and the government around cannabis, hemp, marijuana. It just seems a massive lack of education too. It's not as simple as, of education too. It's not as simple as you know you're thinking of it in connection to marijuana. Its hemp is a commodity that has existed forever. In fact canvas that writers paint on or that painters artist paint on. That the original word canvas came from cannabis. It was made out of hemp. [7:01] Interesting. They made hemp paper is a better paper. They made hemp clothing. It's far superior to cotton. The only reason why this is where it gets weird, there's a bunch of things that took place, that took hemp away from being a common source of paper and clothing. But one of them was making slavery illegal. Because before they came out with the decorticator, with the primary way they used to process hemp fiber was really painstaking. Because it's an incredible plant. It's a very light plant, but it's insanely durable. Like hemp clothing is so much more, like I have a hemp, jujitsu ghee from Datsura. Okay. And that sucker never rips. My cotton geese, they're good for like, you know, you wear them for like six months a year, they're gonna, the shit starts going. Even like really strong, stable cotton threads start going. [8:02] These hemp geese are like, they're invincible. It's crazy. And hemp paper is so difficult to tear. It's like a completely different kind of paper. It makes no sense. It's an amazing rope. It's like you could use it to make concrete. They make hemp, if you see that, would they make houses with it? Yeah, my dad is a state senator in Hawaii. He's the chair of the Agriculture Committee, and for years he's been the state's biggest advocate for hemp as an economic driver and to try to help revive agriculture in Hawaii. And so he's talked endlessly about the houses and just everything, all of the different benefits of hemp, he's got some hemp, Aloha shirts and the whole deal. and the whole deal. This thing that you're talking about, though, the federal government and the classification is the biggest barrier to this actually becoming a really viable and thriving industry in our country because people are growing crops of hemp, but they've got to go through all of this crazy THC testing, [9:02] and I've talked to people who are farmers and business people who are investing in this and they've had to throw like entire crops away because of I don't know the details about the testing but it's just you know one plus one doesn't equal to when you look at the reality of the benefits of hemp and the Farming process and the concerns that they have within the DEA. So is the concern that has any level of THC at all, becomes illegal even if you're just processing it as a commodity and you're not using it? Right. Correct. But they understand like it's very valuable as a commodity. Yes. It's so stupid. This whole thing is stupid because we're always concerned about, in rightly so, about cutting down forests to make paper. Right. Right. Well guess what? Hem paper, you can grow an entire, like first of all, it's much more viable. You have much more product. It's much more durable and you can regrow it quick. Exactly. It just grows right [10:01] back again. Whereas trees take years and years to grow them back. Hemp, you got another season. Okay, here's the hand plant. Grow's crazy fast, super light, super durable. Yeah. Just gotta think about it as a commodity and stop connecting it to marijuana. Exactly. And you're going, well, this is invaluable. Because this could solve a lot of our problems, especially with deforestation. And then if you look at it for building materials, like, wait, this might be the greatest building material we can use. It's incredible insulation. It's very durable and strong. And again, renewable, like instantaneously it grows so quick. Yeah. What's interesting, I mean, for us in Hawaii, I mean, tourism is the biggest economic driver we have. And every time there's, you know, in the post 9-11, when people weren't traveling so much during COVID, when everything shut down, businesses go out of business. Small businesses are driven out because if they don't have that driver. So the conversation always comes up about, okay, well, we've got a diversifier economy. And this is one of those areas that has huge potential for a small island state like ours in hawaii and what's interesting is [11:05] uh... miche mcconald i believe he's from kentucky uh... their state is also a state that is promoting uh... hemp as a major agriculture driver so there there's opportunity there but it requires a lot more education uh... from those both in the administration and congress to actually take down those barriers and allow it to actually truly be an industry in America. Well we started first started selling hemp protein and on it we used to have to get it from Canada. Hmm. You can sell in America. Can't grow it here. It's like what? It's just food. It's just hemp seeds. It's really good for you. It's like full of the meal acids and rich and protein and they're like, now can't grow it. That's just illegal. You know what's nuts too is the military. People who are on active duty in the military, they can't put hemp seeds in their smoothie. They can't use any CBD bomb that you can buy [12:01] at the freaking gas station or anything at all because of the bomb. Yeah, CBD bomb. bomb that you can buy at the freaking gas station or anything at all because the bomb yeah CBD bomb anything that has your energy drink that has CBD yeah, I cannot not allow you could you could seriously get punished. So they cut are they testing blood for CBD. They they're not testing blood for CBD. So it's just illegal. So if you get caught with the product. If you get caught with the product correct, and their fear is like you're gonna piss hot. Because you know, you take the, you know, random your analysis tests and everything else. But it, so, so the, I laughed, you know, I mean, again, it's lack of education, it's fear, and it's like, well well this is bound by the federal government so the military must comply But at the same time the guy Within the army the civilian who was putting out this policy He also said you're not allowed to eat anything with poppy you can't eat a poppy seed muffin You might pass on this one what you will yeah, you will like you can go to Dubai [13:04] You go places where it's like seriously streaks out of your abia, they'll test you for heroin. You'll test positive for heroin. Yeah, poppy seeds are rough. That's a scary one. It's like, wait a minute. Bagel poppy seeds? Right, those things are getting pissed hot for heroin. Lemon poppy seed muffin? What? They tell you if you go in for drug tests do not eat poppy seeds before you go. It's crazy Bagels right as your test right that's the point. Yeah, how about your technology? Biology like all this stuff you guys can get better test Stupid you're gonna put some of the cage for eating a bagel Yeah, but like for a guy in the military that could be the the end of your freaking career. You could have kicked out for it. Yeah. And you know, just being at a party and people are smoking. And you know, you get second hand smoke and you get to us positive. Yeah. Those tests are probably pretty rough because people definitely get high from second hand smoke. I've seen it happen before. I've seen sober people go into a room that's filled with pot and everyone comes out like a little loopy like you're breathing into the same air you breathe in in pot here. [14:10] I just have a dog that I got a shoes of stray and choose a little prone to anxiety as it is and if she was in the room when people spoke pot she would get high and she'd get paranoid she started high on the table. I was like oh Lucy. Not good. You can get the chill factor. She's like the world is dangerous. You know, she's still live on the street. Man. So it's just, I guess it's a good thing that they've scheduled it, schedule three. But for sure, forget about the drug part. They should be encouraging hemp production in this country. It's an amazing food source. Hemp has all of the essential amino acids. It's very rich in protein. It's easily digestible. As far as plant-based protein for me is my favorite one. And the easiest one to digest. [15:00] Like it's just easy. Goes down smooth. There's no problem at all. And it's very good for you., it's very good for you. Yeah. And CBD is very good for you. But forget about all that. Just for a commodity, and for building construction and clothing, you know, the first draft, the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp. I've heard that. Yeah. Yeah, like, it was used for everything. Yeah. It was used for ropes, for sailboats. They made sails out of it. All that's the canvas. There's all made out of canvas initially. It was all hemp. It's just, I mean, I introduced legislation and Congress to deschedulate completely because it shouldn't be. It just shouldn't be. Well, while this thing is how it happened in the first place, the wilds thing how it happened in the first place is because it was all William Randolph Hurst in Harry Anselinger. So what happened was William Randolph Hurst who owned Hurst publications, he also owned not just newspapers but his own paper mills and his own forests. So he had all these forests that they would cut down the wood and use it to make paper. [16:03] Well if they were going to transfer over to hemp, this is going to be very costly. And the cover of Popular Science magazine, and I think it was 19, third, find out what year that cover was, it says hemp, the new billion dollar crop, because they came up with a new machine and it was called a decordicator. And this new device was a device that allows you to effectively process the hemp fiber in a much quicker and easier way. So it's a machine that grinds it up. And so once they do this, they go, oh boy, we figured out they've solved this problem of hemp, which is really, it's very durable, but it's really difficult to break down to the actual fibers. So 1938. Oh wow. So this comes out in 1938, hemp the new billion dollar crop. And so it's the cover of popular science magazine. Do you see, do they have the cover? So you could see what it says? This is an article actually. Oh, just an article. Today about this somewhere program. Oh wow. Popular mechanics magazine, I'm sorry. So, [17:02] so the articles from 1938. And so when they come out with this, they talk about this new invention. See if you could find a photo of the decortiquator because it's like this grindy kind of thing. Does that what it looks like? Hemped the new billion dollar crop. So once they had this ability to really quickly turn it into fibers, then big industry starts getting involved. And what they start doing is they start making these stories and putting them in the newspaper about Mexicans and black people smoking this new drug called marijuana and raping white women. And marijuana was not pot. Marijuana was a wild Mexican tobacco. It was a slang for a wild Mexican tobacco. It had nothing to do with marijuana. So they started attaching this name to something and calling it a drug because they knew that cannabis was so ubiquitous and hemp as a commodity was, everybody knew it. [18:04] What it was good for. Right. So they had to come up with some sneaky way to get it through so they come up with the word marijuana. So marijuana was not a term for pot. It wasn't a term for cannabis. It was a term for this wild Mexican tobacco. And so when they started making marijuana illegal, Congress didn't even understand that it was the same thing as hemp. And so they had to come up with some sort of a tax stamp that you can have in order to grow hemp while marijuana is illegal. And then this is like right after prohibition, right? So prohibition ends, you got all these cops that were used to bust in people, like, sick them on the farmers now. Exactly. And this is what happened. Exactly. And this is what happened. Exactly. And then they come up with these dopey movies that are amazing to watch today. Have you ever seen Reefer Madness? Mm-hmm. It's crazy. It's like people smoking pot, just jumping out of windows and killing people. It's like, it has this guy smoking pot. Talk about some propaganda. Oh, it's the worst propaganda. But it was really effective like this is it i've got a few of these uh... posters weird that i have them i have them uh... framed [19:10] oh my god because these movies were insane and they were just well propaganda crime sorrow hate shame despair find the movie find a clip from the movie reforemanus we just watch it without playing but it's it was so nutty and they scared everybody. Yeah, oh my god. Oh my god Oh my god. So Understand that media has sucked forever. Yeah, just understand that. So this is reaffirmandess So that dude on the piano he's a reaffirmand So that dude on the piano he's a reaper man [20:07] Look at him harmless-looking cigarettes, hidden in an innocent shoe, or watch case. In this startling film you will see Dolphsters lure children to destruction. if you want a good smoke try one of these one's to pride in his strong will as he takes the first step toward enslavement enslavement smoking the soul destroying refer they find a moment's pleasure but at a terrible price oh wow look she's gonna jump out the window oh my gosh geez [21:03] apparently it makes you act terrible too you You're right. Terrible at acting. Play the stop. Play faster. Play faster. She's actually playing pretty good for someone who's stoned. Yeah. You know, imagine being hammered and trying to play that. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so this was the propaganda from, and what year was that, Jamie? 36. Wow. This this is all They're all like trying to stop hemp as a commodity. Wow. That's really what it's all about. Yeah. It's really not about It isn't it fascinating just to see just you know The repetition of the the propaganda information warfare To be able to serve a special interest Yeah, it's ridiculous and it's ridiculous that it's always existing. Fomenting fear and yeah, and that it was going on almost a hundred years ago. And what's also important about it is the problem with something like that is that now you don't trust the media, right? Now if you don't trust the media and then you go out and try it yourself, [22:01] you don't have real accurate information because now there's these narratives that have been created that aren't based on truth, and so you don't know where to go. You don't know what's real and what's not, and then you have people that tell you it's harmless, and then you have people that tell you, eh, there's people like me, they go, eh, because I'm like, it's not harmless. It's not, marijuana is not a harmless thing. You definitely shouldn't take it when you're young. And here's what's really important. Some people can't handle it for whatever reason. And it's most likely some biological thing. Just like some people are allergic to aspirin or whatever. Like there's some people they don't mix well with that stuff. And there's a real connection between schizophrenia with some people that maybe are percept susceptible to schizophrenia. Alex Baronsine wrote a great book about called Tell Your Children. It's very interesting because there's real instances of people taking high doses and getting schizophrenia. But if we were being lied to about it, no one knows what, who did, who's gonna give me the information? Where's the truth coming out? [23:01] Because if one group is saying that this is a schedule, one chemical and it's very dangerous, and then all your friends are just smoking weed and going to the movies. You're like, well, clearly, this is not that dangerous. Like Jiu-Jitsu people, and surfers, they're all getting high. What's real here? And because we don't have the ability to just honestly talk about things without everything getting so weird and like the hemp thing. Like having a hemp flag. Like this is a problem with the DEA. Hey guys, don't you have fentanyl to worry about why you fucking with flags. Seriously, it makes sense. It's only 10,000 DEA agents. I think there's 10,100 some DEA agents. You guys got time for flags? How many pounds of fentanyl is coming through that board and why we're talking? Yeah. Well, you and I are talking, how much fentanyl is making it across in people's shoes and underwear and where the fuck they're hiding it? No one's checking everybody. Yeah. No, it's true. It's, and then of course, all the medicinal qualities [24:02] of CBD as well and how many people and kids and just people are benefiting from that. Well, Dave Foley told me that his arthritis was so bad that his fingers were kind of like locked in this position. He had a really hard time straightening him. So he started taking CBD. And he's like, it's so much better now. Wow. Just like my fingers have full range of motion though. Yeah. I know so many people that take it for like aches and pains and And it actually helps some people with anxiety too, which is interesting The conflict here is as you know, you know as majority of states in the country have legalized it in some fashion Whether it's medicinal or recreational or whatever all these different levels, but because of the federal Prohibition essentially, you essentially, you've got banking, it is a multi, I don't know, multi-hundred million dollar industry at least at this point, but in order to be able to conduct business with the bank, the bank and the business owner faces a potential [25:01] federal charge of a crime. And so it's, you know, the second, third, fourth order of effects of this scheduling of cannabis is very, very far reaching and creating a worst problem which, you know, okay, we should do this on the black market, is this just become a cash industry or where does this go? Yeah, and the problem also is by having some states have it legal and some states have it illegal then you still open up a market for illegal sales in the country and what happens is the cartel comes in Right, and they start growing it on public lands I had a guy on the podcast name is John Norris and he started off as a game warden So he started off as a guy who's gonna check fishing licenses and stuff. And one day they find that a stream has been diverted and they're trying to figure out why why this stream is dried up. So they make their way up the stream and they find this irrigation system is set up for an illegal marijuana grow-up in the middle of public land in California. [26:03] So then they develop a tactical team. So it goes from being him being a game board and now they have dogs and bulletproof vests are getting in shootouts with the cartel. So they're, because they're making millions of dollars, but they're using really dangerous chemicals and pesticides that are illegal to use on crops in America. And they're just using that shit up there. So who knows what the fuck you're getting if you're living in one of these states that has illegal pot? Because when California changed the law and made marijuana legal recreationally, they made growing marijuana without a license, it's just a misdemeanor. So these guys that are just doing it now from the cartel, they're like, this is, you have nothing to risk. Right. It's a misdemeanor and we can make millions and millions of dollars. And so they have these guys up there. They have like, you know, rosaries and all these like photos of Jesus and shit. They find in campgrounds and they pay these guys to go out there, grow this stuff and then bring it out. Harvest it and bring it out. [27:01] And they're selling it. He said that, I think, believe John said at the time of our podcast, that 90% of all the marijuana that's being sold in the States where it's illegal is all from these grow-ups. A lot of them in California on public land by the cartels. 90%. Yeah. 90. Even good old fashioned American pot growing entrepreneurs. The illegal ones, they keep up with the cartel. And this is because it's illegal. And this is the same reason why fentanyl's coming in. The same, I mean, don't do heroin, kids. Okay, but it should, if you keep everything illegal, you're gonna just prop up the government of these countries that is allowing this stuff to come in and they're allowing people to grow it or they can't do anything about it because the cartel has so much money and so much power that the government is basically helpless. And it's being propped up by Americans. 100%. 100%. [28:01] It's a rough thing to deal with because we don't wanna say say let's make all drugs legal Because my god the last thing you want is your kid to die of a drug So nobody wants ever kids to be doing drugs, but also if you don't do that You're just gonna empower our neighbors to the south who happen to be drug dealers some of them and They're making billions of dollars, some drugs to America. And you're killing kids at a rate higher than ever in recorded history. People are dying, there's 100,000 plus people every year that are dying from opioid overdoses. Which is nuts. That's so much. That's crazy that it's happening here in the United States of America. And the thing is, this is where it's hard. It's happening because it's illegal, which sounds so counterintuitive. The problem is if it was legal, there would be a long period of time or it'd be really bad. [29:01] I think if it was legal, too many people would try it, that wouldn't try it. Wouldn't have otherwise. Yeah, they're not going to go to a drug deal. But if they can just go to the CVS and buy heroin, like let's see what the fuss is all about. Yeah. You know, that's spooky. I think that this is the conversation that needs to be had though. You know what I mean? It's the same thing about people unwilling to even discuss. What is the right path? How do we handle this crisis that is a national crisis? Yeah, there's so many people's lives. Tell people not to do it. Yeah, right. It's okay. Just like that. I don't know how that works out. That doesn't work. It doesn't work. We're in a weird spot. I was in San Diego a few weeks ago. We went out to film a little mini documentary about what's happening at the border in San Diego. There's a lot of attention being put on Texas and Arizona, but California's border is a [30:03] whole different dynamic, both because they've got a long stretch of border where you're crossing in and you're going straight to mountains, big open spaces. But then you've got the very dense urban corridor, I suppose, where people, whether they're coming in through the water, they're just coming across the border where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly. But what was there's a few things that were very eye-opening and interesting. Number one is we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming through. The numbers that are being reported, I think it's close to 9 million now, just over the course of the Biden administration. What I saw there were people coming in and we were just driving around and we saw groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world, illegal immigrants, and seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go [31:00] or they knew that Border Patrol was going to pick them up and knowing that they will get processed, claim asylum, and most of them will be out with the plane ticket anywhere in the country within 24 hours. And so it's crazy. It's, you know, and I've talked to some of the Border Patrol agents and, you know, they're not allowed to say anything on the record, but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even do their job. What is the justification for the plane ticket? They don't have the ability to house people where they are. So just like, where do you wanna go? You top, okay, here you go. Where do you wanna go? New York City? And I went and I talked to a lot of them. I sat down and talked with people from Brazil from Egypt from Colombia from Venezuela from You know different parts of Eastern Europe people from all over the world coming here with with the known plan in this well-oiled machine [32:03] And and I'm talking about this because it is very directed to the cartels, directly connected to the cartels, who are being enabled in their multi-billion dollar human trafficking operation across the border by our policies, by the Biden administration's policies at the border, which is connected to their ability to move fentanyl and other drugs across the border. And so we spent a couple of days at the border there and then went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people and talking to people who were clearly, clearly extremely high on multiple drugs. And we're walking around with one of the community relations police officers there who's just playing clothes, he's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there. But we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand. He seemed barely conscious, but we had a he was engaging in a long conversation with us and you know I was asking him about [33:03] fentanyl and he's like oh, I take fentanyl sometimes. But I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep. I asked, like, aren't you afraid of not waking up? He's like, yeah, I've had a lot of friends who died from fentanyl. But I know how much to take. I know how to manage it and have you have you. He's like, yeah, I almost died twice. And I was revived. But in then asking him, the police officer asked him, what would it take to get you off the street? What would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help and to get off drugs? And he said, he's 27 year old guy, nothing, nothing. He said, there's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay and I want to live my life this way It was so heartbreaking to see him, you know his eyes were barely open and and Clearly in an altered state of mind, but even in that state in this conversation [34:02] clearly in an altered state of mind, but even in that state in this conversation, how do you help someone who doesn't wanna be helped? You can't. It's the problem. I mean, you could talk to them. You could hope that they could get some information from you that shifts the way they think about things, but the addiction gets so deep. And there's this thing that some addicts will say is that I feel better when I'm high. That it's the only time I feel good. It's the only thing good that I have in my life is when I get high. And if you take that away, my life is terrible. And if you've been an addict for a long time, the longer you're an addict, in fact, the more that's true, right? Because the more your life is a wreck. And then you're forced to deal with it when you come off and you realize like, oh my god, I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict. Like what the fuck? How is this exactly? And then now your sober and your life is in shambles and you try to like figure out how did you go so wrong? And then the only thing that made you feel good was Aaron when you want to go back. You want to go back to that. [35:05] And it's also people like get really scared of success. Even success in staying sober, they get scared of doing things well and they see comfort and failure because they've become accustomed to failure. So if they the pressure of doing well and of like staying sober and like keep and healthy, like it's almost too much. Just the maintaining, the psychological, the anxiety, all the fear that comes with failing, that you just wanna fail just so you could just feel comfortable again. Because then you don't have to. There's no pressure. Yeah, you don't have to deal with the pressure. Yeah. It's scary. The human mind is so susceptible to so many different things, whether it's cults or addictions or you know, I mean, we're very weirdly vulnerable to a lot of like very strange things. And a lot of these things I think, a lot of the mental issues are accentuated by social media. I think [36:03] that they exacerbate them badly. I think there's a lot of undiagnosed mentally ill people that are just killing themselves by being online all the time. I believe it. I really do. I think it's terrible for you. Yeah. I mean, it's so easy to get sucked into it. It's so easy. And people that are like arguing with people constantly online. Exactly. My God, what a terrible waste of time. Yeah. When that becomes your reality, dealing with people and perceptions and, you know, measuring yourself against whatever you're seeing and all of it, and you slip out of the real world in building real relationships and friendships and having real conversations. Yeah, they were comparing too. The comparing is something that you and I didn't have to grow up with. Exactly. And we're very, very fortunate because especially young girls today and Jonathan hates work on this has been really interesting. His book, The Coddling of the American Mind is a great one. And it's all about what you could see like exactly when social media is [37:03] invented all this self harm and all the suicidal thoughts, suicidal ideation and suicide all goes up for girls. And it's comparing themselves. Doesn't surprise me. Yeah, absolutely. It's such a bizarre thing that a person can get super duper famous or just dancing on an app that goes online and then they make millions of dollars and feel like you're age And you're like what's wrong with me? I'm a lou, you can't just leave your life and hang out with your friends Yeah, everyone is an constant comparison with impossible people that shouldn't even exist And then you and then you add in the the layer of AI onto that where you have complete You've got videos and pictures of people who are a digital construct. You can just not. People are paying to talk to them. There's this guy, they found, they were doing this study on AI girlfriends, where people have interactions with AI. This guy was spending $10,000 a month [38:02] on his AI girlfriend. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I just could get that guy. They just gotta find him. If they just find that guy, they could talk that guy into anything. If you're willing to get, you're gonna get an AI girlfriend 10,000 bucks a month. Yeah, you'll join the monies. You'll be in whatever comes along, grabs you, son. You're vulnerable. They'll get you. But that's, you know, you look at what's happening on college campuses across the country right now. It speaks exactly to that, that vulnerability of being manipulated or, you know, sold in ideology and then grabbing onto it as though you now have a sense of purpose. Yeah, that's the problem. The sense of purpose is like so attractive to people that there's so many kids that want to be like so righteous and they just want to like criticize and yell at other people who don't feel the same way they do. And so it like you're seeing these Israel versus Palestine [39:09] things on school campuses, and like, my God, which brings me to, this is an interesting thought. What's your opinion on this potential TikTok ban? I oppose it. I oppose it on the grounds of free speech and civil liberties. You know, this is speaking of fomenting fear. This is one of those pieces of legislation that's, you know, if you just read the talking points for those who support it and it's supported by many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle, you think like, oh my gosh, we've got a national security risk and you've got concern for our kids and all of this other stuff. But when you actually read the language and understand the implications of what this legislation does, it's not really about TikTok at all. It's about government being able to choose what platforms are acceptable and what are not and what we as Americans are able to either get information from or put information out. [40:09] And then you look at, okay, well, if they're giving themselves that authority, how will it then be enforced? Then you get into the civil liberties concern of the Fourth Amendment of government overreach and trying to figure out, okay, well, now I'm going to have to look into your phone and figure out if you're the guy who's using the VPN to illegally download this app. Then you're looking at, you know, the designation is that if you have 20% or more ownership stake or stake in a business that has been designated by our government to be illegal because of its association with a foreign adversary. There are a few countries listed there, but the president would have the power to designate any other country of foreign adversary without any [41:01] kind of, you know, Congress wouldn't have to take actions. It's a unilateral move. You are also implicated if you are someone who the government determines to be influenced by or connected with one of these countries that is a foreign adversary. And so, you know, Elon Musk has talked about this. It is not outside of the realm of the not only possible, but the probable that if they wanted to say, okay, well, Elon Musk is doing business with this country that we don't like. And oh, he also owns this platform called X. X should be shut down because of this association. The writing Ron Paul said it best when he said that this legislation is the most, and I'm paraphrasing, but he said it's the most egregious violation of civil liberty since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9-11. And when you look at the arguments that are being made around both of those pushes, They are very eerily similar in invoking national security concerns. [42:08] And the language in the way that's written is intentionally vague that puts far more power into the hands of the executive branch, just like the Patriot Act did, to single-handedly say, well, this is a good guy and this is a bad guy. And that has a direct implication on Americans. And wasn't there another recent thing that passed that allows more observation of people through cell phones? Yes. Yes. And both of these things were actually wrapped up into that same bill that was the same bill. They lumped together a whole bunch of different things. They were separate previously, but the thing that the TikTok ban was lumped together with was the bill that would reinstate or extend the FISA authorities, the Foreign Intelligence [43:02] Security Act authorities for another two years. Section 702 of FISA gives our government the authority to surveil foreign actors essentially to try to identify terrorist threats. But part of that is they have the ability to capture all of the conversations. If you talk to somebody in another country that they're interested in, they can then go in and capture all of your information as an American citizen. And they can do this without a warrant. This has been in place for quite some time, but this legislation that was just passed recently expanded those authorities. So they can go and actually look at like your Wi-Fi history. If you're connected to Wi-Fi, they can look at everything that you did, connected to that Wi-Fi signal and in some other ways. It took an already bad problem and made it many, many times worse. [44:00] And again, they're just saying, well, it's for national security. The problem here is- That's the thing they always say. worse and again they're just saying well it's for national security. The problem here is that's the thing they always say. That's the thing they always say and it's like, you know, I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said if you know, if you are choosing security over liberty, you will neither be secure nor will you have liberty. That's not an actual quote, but that's basically the point here. And that's the false choice that so many of these politicians are forcing on the American people is you can either be less free and more safe, or you can be more free. And oh, by the way, you're going to invite more terrorist attacks or more national security incursions on our country. And it's just BS. It is BS. It's also very un-American. It is. Here's the problem with government overreach. The government is just people. Yeah. That's the problem. Like, you know, if you thought of them as something [45:02] other than a three letter name like DEA,.A., C.I.A., and I say, just a bunch of people. He would go, well, why is this like the D.E.A.? Why is this 10,000 people telling all these other people what to do? That sounds crazy. There's way more than the nor of us. If it was just in this room and Jamie turns out to be the cop and he says, hey, I'm going to put you to prison because I heard you like hemp. Jimmy fuck off. That's crazy. But if it's a government agency with a three letter name, you'll be like, oh, there's the government. The government is just human beings. And there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power. Rich people want to get richer, hot people want to get hotter like this is what it is. You know, it's like everybody wants to improve. Yeah. And the governments, they're in the business of telling you what to do and they want to be better at that business. Yeah. And the best way is to be able to like constantly be able to surveil everything you say [46:02] and do. Right. And again, it goes. Which doesn't let them. No. And this is the problem. This is the problem is that every elected official swears and oath to support and defend the Constitution. Yet as we saw with this most recent example, they are so ready to undermine our Fourth Amendment rights in the Constitution in the name of national security. And I know some of them are doing it with good intention, but without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights are protected. You swear an oath to do this. When you take this job while also ensuring, okay, well, we can do both and we must do both. We can be safe and secure and also be able to live free without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering if the government is surveilling us. [47:01] And then you add on to that what's happening now where January 6, for example. I was working out in the gym, Marine Corps gym and Hawaii down the street from our house, bumped into a guy who I met. It's a long story, but I met him when the rocks stunt double was getting his traditional Samoan tattoo. And it's a whole ceremony. It was a seven day thing. And so this other guy is Samoan tattoo and it's a whole ceremony. It was a seven day thing and so this other guy is Samoan. We met and became friends. I saw him in the gym and he's with his 14-year-old son. How's it going? This and that. He's like, oh, the FBI just came to my house out in La Ia, small rural community on the island of Oahu. I was like, what's going on? He's like, yeah, they came and knocked on my door because he said I took my son to go and witness Democracy so they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the capital and They they didn't arrest them. They didn't charge him with anything But but how is it? How is it that you know years later years later? [48:01] They go and find this guy in his family in a rural Mormon community in La EA and Hawaii. They're capturing all of the data of people whose cell phones were pinging within that vicinity during that period of time, not only on January 6th, and they are continuing to widen that net, looking at flight records and who bought tickets and who booked hotels and all of this stuff. For what, you're gonna go, the FBI's gonna go and investigate people who showed up there on the lawn on the Capitol. You look at what they're, and this is this is my thing. It's my thing. It is absolutely scare-tacked. So we look at the power of the government and how they're now turning on the American people for political reasons, we can see where even the best of intentions with some of these pieces of legislation can lead to the very worst places. What to speak of the fact that we have limited resource and limited people. [49:03] What are they not investigating? You talked about the DEA. What about the FBI and all these millions of people are coming across our border? Are they tracking who they are? No, they're not. Are they tracking where they're going? No, they're not. We have no idea people coming from the Middle East, and Asia, and Eastern Europe, and Venezuela, gang members, like all of this stuff is happening right before our very eyes and they're going in knocking on my friends door in la ea because he brought his fourteen year old son to washington dc that week and here's the question uh... was that the idea how many how many people were there and how come they don't have to answer that they don't say why not be transparent also they should be there like the government should be there in case some shit goes sideways. Exactly. Right? I'm sure they're there. But are some of the agents not good? Just like some dentist suck. Are some of the agents not good and are some of the agents encouraging people to go in? [50:02] Because that could be true too. Because if we look at what happened with the governor of Michigan, right? There was a Michigan, Minnesota, Michigan. That story is bonkers. When you find it, what was it like, 11 of the people involved in the kidnapping scheme were FBI informants? Right. What? And these two dopes who just dumbasses, like ADIq dumbasses They cosplay and they were gonna They don't know what they're doing they're stupid yeah, and those poor fucks have to go to jail Yeah, exactly the whole thing was scheduled and set up by FBI informants like that seems crazy and set up by FBI informants. Like that seems crazy. Aren't there real problems instead of like creating problems and then arresting people for those problems? Aren't there real problems going on? And if there's not, like you guys good at your job. Right. We're trusting you. And there are, you know. For sure. I know some great FBI agents [51:01] and they're people who are doing good work. Absolutely. I've met great FBI agents and they're people who are doing good work. Absolutely. I've met great FBI agents. Phenomenonize people, good people, patriots. Absolutely. But they're like dentists. Some of them are great. This is so important. I mean, it's just, you know, it's, you know, you can say, in some militaries and law enforcement, like, yes, you are going to find those few, for sure, they are there. But with, so I've talked to different people than the FBI and what they've shared is that there's kind of like a bifurcation in the agency where there are people who are really, really angry and frustrated about the politicization of the FBI that's occurring by the heads. And then there are others who are just like full-s send, we're on board, let's go. And it's creating a lot of friction and a lot of fear within the agency, I don't know if the agency of people get confused, let's just see, I know there's probably some similar things going on there, but within the FBI, a lot of fear that you gotta watch [52:03] what you say around even your own colleagues and your own peers because there are people who are on different sides, which is horrible. Like you are on the side of America. You are on the side of the American people and upholding the rule of law and securing our country, going after the bad guys. Well, when the bad guys now become your neighbor down the street, we're in a very different realm, a dangerous one. It's just how it is with people. Red Sox fans hate Yankee fans. Just like in the same country, you're going to have conflict even inside the FBI. You're going to have conflict in every group. You're going to power struggles. You know, you're either with Bob or you're not. You want to make it in this business. You're going to have conflict in every group. You're going to have power struggles. You're either with Bob or you're not. If you want to make it in this business, you want to get to the top of this agency, you got to stay with Bob and Bob's fucking calling the shots. I'm on team Bob, like, fuck Mike. That's what happens with people. It happens in everything. You have people that are going with good intentions and they get corrupted by systems that are corrupt. That's where for the, you know, across, [53:06] whether it's the FBI, the Department of Justice, all of these, it matters, you know, who's in charge. These are all civilian led organizations. They are political appointees. And, you know, in theory, they are the people who should be held accountable, but they are setting that tone. Did you hear what AOC said? She said the people that are coming in to this country, most of them, it's because of climate change. I didn't hear that one. It's amazing. It is straight out of South Park. Oh my gosh. It's straight out of South Park. Wow. Like what? Yeah, I know. Oh that's all the reason. Oh, is there more? Is the climate changed more than I know? Do you know something I don't know? Like, what are you saying? What's going on down there? The best are those clips. I just saw one on Instagram the other day from like 1985 where a news [54:01] casters, I think might have been black and white. And she's saying the climate-change scientists tell us that we may only have 10 years before the Earth is destroyed. 1992 is going to be the year. And then whoever made this clip, they juxtaposed her clip with one from Bernie Sanders, saying the exact same thing with a different date, you know, how many decades later? The problem is when you fear Manga, you distract people from the real issue. Yes. Like what is really going on? Like how bad are we fucking up the planet? You know, here's one that doesn't get discussed enough. We've killed everything in the ocean. The ocean is depleted. What was the number, Jamie? Like 90% of the big fish are gone. Yeah. Some crazy number like that. Because of just, just imagine how psychonic it is to have a species that goes into another dimension [55:04] that it's not a resident of and uses nets and just takes everything it can get. And catch us a bunch of dolphins and shit there that doesn't want anyway and they all die. Exactly. A new global study concludes that 90% of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century in 50 years. So that's a cataclysm. That's a disaster of epic proportion when it comes to ecology and when it comes to just the environment of the world itself. We're killing most, because we like sushi. We're killing most of what's in the ocean. It's bananas. Yeah. And so that is getting ignored because everyone is talking about fossil fuels. And I wonder how much of this is pushed by foreign countries through social media. Because there is a thing that you can do [56:02] and nudge conversations in a certain way with bots and with fake statistics and with fear mongering. Meanwhile, China is opening hundreds of new coal power plans. They're doubling down on coal. I think through TikTok and through probably Facebook and YouTube and all these different things, Instagram, I'm'm sure there's countless bots that are putting out videos and pushing narratives and finding the way into your algorithm and they affect the way people think about things. And guess what? If you go to Chinese TikTok, it's all academic accomplishments, martial arts demonstrations, science achievements, and you can't go on after 10 p.m. Right. And neither America, it's dudes with fake eyelashes. We need stories to talk. Exactly. And it's everybody telling you the ocean's gonna boil. Yeah. It's weird. It's, some of Ben Laden's Let It To America. Yeah. The Let It To America thing was wild too, [57:01] where everybody was like, wow. You know, it's how I've been lying ahead of me. Oh my gosh. That's, I had a dinner the other night with a family. It was during the holiday of Passover. And this question came up about what would happen if another 9-11 style terrorist attack or some major incident like that came up in our country today, would it have that same kind of unifying effect that occurred after that attack on 9-11? And when you look at things like that, like the Osama bin Laden letter and you look at how there is, I mean, there's an entire, not an entire generation, but there's a lot of people now who I wouldn't be surprised if they said, well, you know, such an attack was justified and not have that same kind of sense of unity of like, okay, no matter our differences, we got to stand together as Americans. And that's a, that should be [58:04] a serious concern It's it should be a serious concern also when you really take into consideration how many genuinely dumb people there are and when you have a situation like October 7th in Israel I saw within days before Israel did what they did in Palson within days I saw people justifying the attacks on October 7th because of the treatment that Israel has given to the Palestinians. I'm like, hey, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy to say that you think people should be indiscriminately shot, killed, and just en masse at a fucking rave, like paratrooping. And you think that's okay because of what Israel is done. But guess what, those people didn't do that. Those people at the rave and those people that are on the border, those are apparently according to Ari, those are the hippies. They're the ones who want to be, they're the ones who don't believe that we should be. They don't believe in borders. Yeah, they don't believe in borders. They want to Exactly. And that that's where you know some of the things that they're chanting at at that these protesters are chanting at Columbia University and some of the other ones [59:08] We hope that October 7th happens 10,000 times over they say you know celebrating Hamasismless terrorist organization. It's it is it's it's You know, I don't I don't think we can just dismiss them as just being stupid. You know what I mean? Like these kids are going to Ivy League schools. They are being absolutely manipulated. And there is a very intentional ideological war that is being waged in this example by these radicalismist groups like Hamas. And they had planned this. They've been doing this for a hundred of years and they're using technology and they're using other means to be able to achieve that end. No doubt, as is Russia, as is China, they've infiltrated universities, the famous Uri Besbimoff speech from 1984, which is crazy when you hear it today [1:00:00] because he called it. He knew what was gonna happen and it's happening and it's happening from college campuses outward. So the most radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges because the kids are the youngest. They don't have jobs in real world experience. They don't have, they don't, they're young. They have ideologies. They're a little bit unrealistic and they're all captured by this status game that's going on on campus where you're trying to be the most radical, like, oh, he's so radically propoused on, he's so hot. You know, and then that really becomes a thing. You become virtuous and you become attractive. You become interesting without actually being interesting just because you have this rabid adherence to an ideology that's right now it's invoked and that's really what it is and I think a lot of that is funded by foreign governments and there's a lot of evidence points to it and we should consider it as a possibility and don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory consider it as a possibility and so this is a question about things like TikTok [1:01:03] like and and Twitter and all of them, all of them. Because I guarantee you it's not just foreign countries kids. I guarantee you there are people in this country that are using it. I know businesses do it. I guarantee you people do it to try to influence the way people think about things. And when you see posts, I've seen posts multiple times saying outrageous things. And I'll just, okay, let me click on this guy. And it's usually some letters and numbers and name maybe and a bunch of numbers. And then I click and I'm really, oh, fake person. Just go through all their posts. Yeah, it's all just retweeting inflammatory stuff. And it's nut just retweeting inflammatory stuff and It's a nutty fucking crazy Politics takes and like really aggressive takes on things and like wow [1:02:00] Yeah, how many of them are there? Yeah, I there there's there's no there's no question that this is happening and and the social media algorithms are feeding it and playing playing right into it and in our attention and our minds are the commodity. 100% and if they can just trick you and to buy some stuff along the way, they'll agree. Exactly. Exactly. Whatever thought that your data would be so valuable. That's the thing about when you and I were younger, it meant nothing. Your data meant nothing. Like, what is it? What are you talking about, my data? Exactly. These talking about my data? What are you talking about my data? What is that? Why would anybody be interested in that? My first inclination to data meant something was I bought Dianetics. I bought that book in like 1994 when I first moved to Hollywood and Scientology never stopped sending me things. They never stopped. Like we got one. Yeah, I was like, oh, that's how they get you. Yeah. And then they get you to join. I guess you have to give them a piece, give them a taste. What you doing? You're trying to group me. Yeah. And so data now is responsible for the largest corporations in terms of the amount of money. [1:03:01] Yeah. Like, think about Apple. How big Apple is and how much data Apple has. Apple is better with data than Android systems are. Google is terrible with it. With their ditches, there's a side-fitting data. That's the fallacy, that's the falsehood of the argument for people who are pushing that TikTok ban bill. If they're claiming they're concerned about data security and privacy and making sure that our data is protected, you got to do it across the board because every single one of these social media or big tech companies collecting as much as they possibly can. And if you think they're not selling it to the highest bidder, whether they be an American company or a foreign company, of course they are. This is their business model. Wasn't there some controversy about one of the DNA companies, whether it's ancestry or one of the other ones? There was. Where they sold their data to China. I think so. I don't remember which one. You sold everybody's jeans? [1:04:01] Yeah. Like I didn't know. Oh, you could do that. I wouldn't have signed up for that. You could sell my jeans to China. Like if China was like offering free DNA test. What was it? Was it? No, it was the insult to China. Who they sell to? Uh, Clarkson Smith Klein. A big pharma. Ooh. That's even scarier. And who they it to? They can sell it to anybody else too, right? It's 23 of me sells anonymous DNA in a drug company for 20 million. Bleh! That's not that anonymous. Oh, it's not that anonymous. Guys, it's anonymous. Yeah, of course. Of course. Wasn't there one with China though, with Ancestry? Yeah, this is 23 in me. This is interesty as well. Interest saying. 20 million dollars. I remember something about China. I mean, I just typed in data sold and that's what comes right. I might be on the wrong forum, so. I might be on some good spirit world forums. I might have gone on 2D but on the JFK rabbit hole the other night. [1:05:01] This is what you said. Oh, okay, China. There it goes. Ground breaking move that has sent shock waves through the biotech industry, 23 and me, the leading personal geonomics and biotechnology companies officially announce a sale of its entire DNA database to the Chinese government for an astonishing $10 billion. Wow. Yeah, so that's the one I was looking for. I'll just add that that's only coming from a medium article, not any other articles they're saying. Jamie, why do you have to fuck it up with us? I'm gonna try and understand what's happening. I don't know. Jamie's on it. Why you gotta fuck it up with facts? Yeah, who knows? But your data is extremely valuable. That's weird. And it's also valuable to humans. It's humans selling other humans data. Whether you call them Facebook or Google or the DEA, it's just a bunch of people. And if they don't have to follow the same rules that you follow, then we have real problems. And when you have entire groups of people that are dependent upon technology [1:06:05] that's controlled almost entirely by one ideology. And then you let the government get involved. Like they did with Twitter. And you see the Twitter files, you're like, oh Jesus, like this is bad. Like you let the government have a back door and they started sneaking around and telling you what to do, what not to do and you were complying People right we're telling other people that they couldn't have Experts from Harvard and Stanford talk about Medical problems. Yes, you got to stop this. Yes. Stop those S. Ep experts from talking remove those posts ban those people like Government is saying that exactly and exactly and even if they're not even if they're not saying hey do this or else even if they're not making an explicit threat just a fact you're getting requests from the government like what are what would you like what are you gonna do the FBI is calling saying like hey we'd really like you to do x wire z [1:07:03] in my mind be like okay like what what am I gonna be investigated for outside of this if I say no? Also. What are the consequences gonna be? If you're a person working at Twitter, right? This is not you, they're not investigating you. They're investigating someone else, right? So if they're going in, they're talking about these posts, like hey, this expert is spreading misinformation. And this is like, they're causing vaccine hesitancy or whatever they're causing. We need to stop this, put a stop to this. Like, why is the government being involved in a dispute between doctors and the pharmaceutical drug companies? Like, what are you doing? And how do you know? Did you guys adjudicate this? Did you guys get in front of you know? Did you guys adjudicate this? Did you guys get in front of a court? Did you guys get in front of experts? Did people testify? Did you have someone who's pro and con this? Someone who lays out this argument? Did you examine this? No, no, no, you didn't. Now you just contacted Twitter. And Twitter said, okay, because what are they going [1:08:01] to do? They're fucking executives. If you're working at Twitter and this old Twitter and you're like super woke and you know you just been drinking lattes and going into the meditation room then also you get an email from the FBI like I don't want to fuck up this job. I got a cushy job and you're like okay what do I have to do? Okay I'll do that. Yeah. Until you do that and that's not good. It's not good to have that kind of power being wielded by other people to just people You could call them the FBI and call them the other the human beings and human beings that have that kind of power over other human beings in a Country that's supposed to value freedom. Yes, that that's the thing in and of itself is un-American and that that's where this isn't just like some rogue FBI agent doing this or some rogue, you know, bureaucrat in an agency who's going and doing this. This is an expressed policy coming from the Biden administration in this example, [1:09:00] to go and use big tech to silence certain people's voices and to decide who does the government want to be heard and who needs to be silenced. And obviously, we could talk all day about the cozy relationship that many politicians have with big pharma. And it's not a surprise that they're going to act in favor of big pharma rather than in favor of the truth or free speech or people's health and well-being, but the fact that this was and is the Biden administration's policy to decide that they are the arbiter of what is misinformation, disinformation, what is information, what is true and what is not, and that they will use the tools available to them both within the government as well as outside of the government in the case of big tech and social media to be able to enforce that. And that's really the, you know, for people who aren't paying attention to this stuff at home and are just trying to live their lives and, you know, go to work and take care of their kids and just live their life. It's easy to fall victim to like, well, the government [1:10:08] wants what's best for us and they don't want us to be manipulated by misinformation or disinformation. And so this is the line that they use. Like we're doing this for you. We're trying to protect you. So once again, we're going to take away some of your freedom and some of your privacy and tell you what privacy and tell you who you should be listening to and what information you should be getting. The King knows. Yes. The King will tell the people how to live. Yes. And this is how you wash. This is coming from the same people who are telling us that boys can become girls on any day of the week because they feel like it. Yeah, Rachel Levine is the first female ameral. Exactly. Yeah, they wouldn't win. Which isn't, and then they stand there and say, well, we are the champions for women. If they cannot even accept objective truth. [1:11:00] Well, living in the strangest of strange times. I also think that a lot of that stuff is being accentuated by social media manipulated intentionally. Because I think if you can just get those narratives out there enough that affects the gullible people, that affects sensitive people, that affects people in the spectrum, it affects a lot of people. And then they start getting rewarded for leaning into one type of ideology and then it's affecting people. We are affected by our environment and to pretend otherwise is just silly, especially when you talk about young people. Young people are particularly susceptible to propaganda, which is why they have young people where suicide vests. That's why. You can't get a 50 year old, agnostic dude to wear a fucking suicide vest. You know, he's gonna go, what am I gonna get? When I blow up, I'm gonna go to heaven. Can you show me? You got a video? Is there a YouTube video I can watch? What are you, what are you saying? Yeah. But you could talk a five year old into it and that's what they do and that's sick. It is. And it's just as sick to try to like indoctrinate them into these crazy ideologies [1:12:06] because it's just people want other people to join their fucking team. Yeah. It's a common thing that people do. That's what's so concerning about like we're seeing the fruits of the shift in our education system away from actually teaching about the Constitution and, you know, the founding documents and the Federalist papers and the thought process behind that went into forming the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in our schools. Basic government, basic 101 on what is this country really about? What is the foundation that we were built upon? And what does it mean to you in your everyday life and talking about the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment and going down the list because that has been absent largely from our education system for so long. It it It Creates again this vulnerability of young people being susceptible, they're not rooted in ideology [1:13:05] of freedom. What that means in our lives and why it's important, why we will fight to defend and protect it. Then they're like, well, I don't know. Maybe what Hamas is offering is a superior ideology or superior value system than what we have here in America, which a lot of these kids are saying, whether they realize fully what it is or not, they are falling victim to that ideology, that radicalism is ideology, which would be completely oppressive in the lives that they are trying to live here. Yeah, the whole proposal behind it is best highlighted by the meme, queers for Palestine. Yes. Exactly. And then Palestine for queers. Exactly. The difference between, like that idea is so crazy. Like what you're saying is so nuts. Yes. And it's just this, fuck the system, [1:14:03] fuck the government, fuck the patriarchy, it's this ideology that gets promoted, it's frivolously wanting to destroy the foundation of this country. And they'll say it openly. We wanna just stop colonialism. Okay, and then what? Then what happens? What do you have? What do you have? You have warlords? What do you have? What's gonna run the country? How are you gonna run it? We can do it all the guns. Well, that's where, you know, this, again, Hamas had this whole thing planned, like, you know, gaining the compassion and the sympathy of the world. And how did they plan that? How did they think that they were going to do that? That they knew how Israel would react and they were ready with social media and all of all of the means of communication to play on the sympathies of people, the compassion and kindhearted people around the world and turn people's attention away from the 1200 people that were [1:15:04] murdered and killed and the people that were raped on that attack on October 7th. Their goal being ultimately to influence populations around the world towards this islamist ideology that they want to govern the world under Islamic rule, under Sharia law. And we've seen already how it's been successful in some parts of the world, even in Europe in France. Somebody was saying that, I think it's 25% of France is already living under Sharia law. And so this ideological war that's being waged is not, it's being waged by one side and there's not a counter narrative. There's not a counter war being waged on the other side to defeat it with the superior ideology of freedom. What we value as a society, and that puts this mission and this effort, and it's not just [1:16:01] Hamas, obviously Al-Qaeda and ISIS and that, you know, other terrorist organizations around the world. They all have that same objective, which poses this great, the greatest short and long-term threat to people who value freedom and to civilization. And we're also so uniquely vulnerable in that we do have this sort of democracy. You know, it's obviously heavily influenced by money, but and then with the open borders, so you have all these people funneling into the country and so you have an erosion of confidence in our entire system because people are very aware of that and the more people will let out a jail after they commit violent crimes the more people are aware of that. If you looked at the whole picture, all the things that are in play right now, particularly like with the open borders and giving people plane tickets and flying them to all these different cities, like if I was [1:17:02] going to try to destroy the country, that's how I would do it. If I was going to try to destroy the country, that's how I would do it. If I was going to try to destroy the country, I would radicalize the kids, I would give them the stupidest ideas and run them in their head. Boys can be girls, girls can be boys, boys can compete against girls and sports if they think they're a girl. Queers for Palestine, you know, the death to the Jews, yell it out, unironically, on campuses. Have the presidents of those colleges and universities defend it, which was wild. Completely. With cameras on them. Yeah, it shows how scared they are. It shows how afraid they are of actually calling out what is right and what is wrong. I think it also shows how they live in a bubble. And I don't think they interact with the real world. And I think when they did, the shock was probably, it was probably horrifying to just to realize how most people feel about what they said. Like, oh, it's not harassment unless it's actionable. [1:18:06] What the fuck are you saying? Exactly. You're saying death to the Jews, so you have to kill Jews. And then it's harassment. Exactly. Is that a little late? I was shocked like everyone else at not only their statements, but how every one of them sitting at that table on that day said almost the exact same thing. And knowing how much preparation because when people come, I don't care who you are, but when you come and testify before Congress, you go through preparation. If you're the president of an Ivy League University, you're going to have a whole team of people sitting there telling you, okay, well, here are the questions you should probably be prepared to answer. The question that at least the phonic asked was not outside of the realm of like, here's what the frequently asked questions would be. And the fact that their answers were all the same and how they were smirking as they were giving that answer, I was very surprised by, maybe I shouldn't have been as surprised, given what they're doing. [1:19:05] I think we're sending our kids to cult camps. That's what I think. I think they get indoctrinated into this. They don't all, some of them skate through, some of them are wise, some of them realize this is crazy. Can't wait to get the fuck out of here, you get my degree, and then go to work. But some of them just get locked in and then it becomes their identity. And it's dangerous. It's dangerous also because, look, kids don't wanna listen. Okay? And if you have kids, they don't wanna listen to you. They wanna rebel. And when they finally get to go away somewhere and be on their own and your dad's a banker, you're like, fuck that asshole. Capitalism is bullshit. Like, you wear a Che Guevara T-shirt. You're in with the fuck you're doing. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You're like, Jesus, a jet GBT to answer your homework. Like, the whole thing is nuts. And then you're allowing those young people to just trying out being an adult with a voice and an opinion and trying to be profound. Yeah. And there's no consequences to actions. So it's weird, it's weird, it's weird. [1:20:05] It's weird that people can't see it. And I'm glad that some people are pulling funding. Like there's a lot of people that are donors are like, hey, fuck you, this is crazy. And so that's fortunate that there's some sort of a blowback. But even that woman from Harvard, even though she got, she was caught plagiarizing. Exactly. Many times. Like if you were a grad student, you got caught plagiarizing. That would be a wrap for you. But meanwhile, she keeps making the same amount of money. They just gave her a different job. They didn't even have fire. No. The whole thing's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. It's like that's supposed to be Harvard. It's supposed to be the smartest people amongst us. And when you heard that lady talk to like, hey, how did she get to the top? That seems bananas. It seems like you probably had some better choices. Like, was there any other considerations that you got that gig? Exactly. The plagiarism doesn't freak you guys out. Right. [1:21:00] Isn't that like opposed to everything that you stand for? Yes. Okay. Yeah. You're not the best in the brightest anymore. Is that like opposed to everything that you stand for? Yes. I'm glad. Yeah. It's very annoying. You're not the best in the brightest anymore. You guys are doing nonsense. This is a cult camp. You got a cult camp, you're indoctrinating people, and where are you getting your money? And how much of that money is coming from China? And how much of the influence is coming from Russia? How much of the influence in the past has shaped these people. So you have this system where academics go to school, they learn, they get indoctrinated, and they start teaching, and they never enter into the world world. And they make this cycle, and those are the people who keep indoctrinating more people, and now they're infesting these social media apps, and they're infesting all of these tech companies. And everybody else is like, what are you doing? Exactly. This is crazy. Yeah. But it's all coming from universities. It's coming from the kids that get indoctrinated these ideologies. And I remember when I first started talking about this in like 2015 or 16, whatever the Jordan Peterson thing was happening, it was the first it was Brett Weinstein [1:22:02] on Evergreen College. And people were like, why do you care what's happening in these obscure colleges? They're like, hey, they're gonna graduate. Like when I see fire and it's five miles away, I don't go, oh, it's five miles away. I go, hey, we gotta get the fuck outta here now. Get outta here now. Fire's coming. Get out. Like, you don't see that these kids These kids are gonna leave school, but they're so crazy. They believe that you should have a day where you tell white people they have to stay home. When it used to be that it was an appreciation of people of color, so they could take the day off and they would get paid and you go, oh, I really miss Mike. I really miss Tonya. It'd be great if she was here and boy, it's hard not working with her and doing know, and doing her job and my job at St. John. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But telling people why people they have to stay home and then threatening them with baseball bats, if they don't have people roaming the park and lot with bat, when I saw that I was like, this is crazy. And so many people were saying, why do you care? Well, they're gonna go out in the world. If this is happening there, it's not an isolated situation. [1:23:06] It's happening other people. And then the Jordan Peterson thing into Rontel and like, okay, guys, now everyone is sort of realizing, like, oh, this is a real problem. This is infesting the world. This ideology is pervasive. And it's not well thought out. Now, it's not just like fact-based objective assessment, being kind and understanding and taking into account all the variables. You know, it's like a cult. Yeah. The problem is not everyone is seeing what's really happening. You still have the AOCs of the world and many people within the leadership of the Democratic Party who this is the direction we are headed. And that's a very dangerous thing for so many reasons, but obviously because they're in a position of power and how they're using that power and how they're undermining the rule of law and choosing again who gets to speak freely [1:24:01] and who gets to go and do whatever they want, break the law, disturb you know disturbed the peace acts of violence no because what what you think that their causes justified right but meanwhile others who would do the very same thing be charged with a crime imaginative aoc got to write history books and they said why do people sneak into america in twenty twenty four oh climate change. Like, 20 years from now, climate change was so bad that people were walking from Guatemala to get playing tickets to fly to Michigan. Like, a real, are you sure? Oh, my gosh. I sure that happened. Maybe there's other variables. What do you think? Maybe it's encouraged? Perhaps there's a whole red cross map that they could follow. Hey guys, yeah, yeah, maybe some of the stops along the way. They only speak Chinese and they have Chinese signs and it seems like there's like a concerted effort to get people in from China. Hey, something going on. Yeah, no, just climate change. So simple. So nice to be able to just [1:25:08] That's just that's just as bad as the, you know, people who break into stores in New York City, they're just hungry and trying to steal bread for their starving kids. Yeah, that was a good one too. Yeah, that lady. Forget the guys who go in and steal 50 Apple iPhones from the store and run out and jump in their car. All of these other things, it's hard to believe that a person who's a member of Congress can say that with a straight face. Well, the best one was do you ever see the conversation that she had with the news reporter with a reporter was asking her to Clarify her thoughts on Israel and Palestine. Yes, I did That one's wonderful. She had nothing to say. It seemed like she didn't even know like where they were Like if you gave her a map and there's had no names on it, which one of these is Israel? What do you know about the history? What happened in 1947? Anything? What was going on before that? Who lived there first? Exactly. What's Judea? [1:26:01] What's that place? What's the biblical significance of these locations? Any? How long has this dispute been going on? What's happening? How much are we funding this? There are these girls who, again, I don't know where this video is, I'm sure it's everywhere now, but they were left Columbia to go and stand with the students protesting at NYU. And somebody said, well, why are you here? They're like, oh, we're here to stand in solidarity with the protesters. What is NYU doing that you're protesting? Oh, I don't really know. And then she turned her friend. She's like, why are we here? What are they doing that's wrong? And the friend said, I wish I was more educated because I don't really know either. Well, you know. They just have their being virtue. Somebody asked us to come, so we're just coming to stand in solidarity. Well, there's this thing that you can do now where if you just yell out the thing that's popular, now you become cooler than you really are. [1:27:01] It's a new thing you can do. And if you're like really rabbit about it, you know, and then you can demand other people do it on their social media like, how come you're not putting a black square up on Tuesday? Yeah. I mean, this all of these things, I mean, these these were major drivers for me in leaving the insanity of what has become the today's Democratic Party and where I have seen and heard directly from so many people who are or have already woken up to that fact, of literally just being common sense minded Americans who are just, there's no explanation. There's no logic, there's no rationale that you can give for these kinds of things happening, and not just by some rogue member of congress i mean it's it's happening from the very top yeah and it's um... it's it's the consequence of money being involved in politics and that seems like [1:28:01] that web is so deep and those roots run so deep that to try to stop that now is almost impossible. It's almost like the only way to solve this is to give corporations conscience. It's like the only way to solve this is you've got to figure out like who is funding what and why? Why is so much money being spent on this versus that? And one of the things about AI is that if AI is asked at a certain point time when it becomes like sentient or really super powerful like what is a solution between the conflict between you you created Russia? And what's the cause of it? And AI gives a real comprehensive analysis of the US government funded coup from 2014 and how NATO has been moving arms closer to Russia and lays it all out. [1:29:00] And this is the definitive objective, no ideology, no bullshit reason why this is happening. And these are the companies that are pushing the conflict and this is the amount of money they're making from it. And here's the amount of money that's missing because there's corruption involved in Ukraine. As much as people don't want to admit, one of the wildest ones was Candace Owens on Twitter where the New York Times, they tweeted her like like what evidence do you have of corruption in Ukraine? And she's like from your own fucking newspaper Posting links it's like do you guys not even check before you tweet? Well, they were also the ones that said the New York Times said that that bomb landed in the hospital and killed 500 people And it apparently landed in the parking lot and killed a small number of people. And it probably was not from Israel, but was actually some one of the Islamic terrorists had launched a bomb and it accidentally landed in the parking lot. Yeah. [1:30:01] And no effort to actually truly not not in the fine print on the back page of the paper, but actually Make sure that they got the facts right Well, and certainly no equivalent coverage of the actual true story versus the original story. Yeah, what you should do Like it's like yeah, I mean you maybe got bad information explain how you got bad information Exactly same people read the news people read this, now they know. Like let them know, don't just fucking hide it. Don't pretend you didn't fuck up. Like, you know. I mean, it's the same reason why with Julian Assange, back when his criminal charges were first coming up, they were saying, hey, this is a threat to journalism, that you can't suppress the free press. It is a violation of the First Amendment. And if you go after Julian Assange today, they could go after a New York Times journalist tomorrow. I think we were seeing it from the Washington Post and some of the other mainstream traditional news sources. [1:31:00] But the script was totally flipped and they shut up real quick and turned their sights against Julian Assange after he released Hillary Clinton's emails. Why? They're a political they have become unfortunately a political arm of the Democrat elite and it's the same reason why they stopped reporting on actual corruption in Ukraine because they get okay what's the narrative that we've got to push. Yeah. And they're not going to go against it not allow facts and journalism to get in the way that it's spooky it's it's spooky for people that count on them for the news yes like okay now who do i have to trust who could who do it who can i listen to and it turns out it's like a lot of independent people knows the ones that are they're free they're free to actually report for now uh... You know, these laws are passed. Did that TikTok thing pass? Uh, it did pass. So that's done. That's it. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. Do you know how I'm currently? It will be challenged. I'm sure it'll be challenged in court. Uh, I don't know. I don't know by who or what, what the next steps will be be but I'm sure it will be challenged right now. I believe that president Biden signed it into law. Actually, I know he did, but the [1:32:12] timeline of execution, you know, I think what they gave something like 180 days for TikTok to be sold to an American company. Oh, great. Give it to Bill Gates. But even if that, like, you know that's that's a pretty a pretty tight turnaround when you look at that but that doesn't negate all of the other provisions within that law that further violate our civil liberties do you know Adam Curry I don't I don't I'm currently used to be an MTV VJ he's the original podcaster he's the pod father the the real number one brilliant guy but I had him on the podcast quite a while ago And he said that all this uproar over tiktok is total bullshit He said what it is is the Chinese are eating our lunch like they've developed an app that is more addictive and [1:33:00] collects data just like our apps do and we don't like it We don't like it because their one is way better. And so they're trying to do something to shut it down because they're using it to influence us. And like, hey, where are the only ones that will do that? And that's what he thinks. And when he said that, I was like, I never really considered that. Because I always was like, oh, this TikTok is like really bad. You've got to read the fine print. And it is bad. I mean, if you look at the terms of service, like when you're grieving the conditions that you agree to, like they get to monitor your keystrokes. So that means they can probably monitor your passwords. They can probably check out all your emails. They get to monitor other computers that are connected to the network, even if they don't have TikTok on them. Like it's bananas. But who else is doing that? Exactly. That's the point. When you and I are having a conversation and then also we talk about Toyota trucks and there's an app for a Toyota truck, like, hey, did you guys know that we were talking about are you listening Google? Exactly. [1:34:01] What are you doing? Google met a Facebook Instagram all of it. Do you know when I'm interested in it? Right. Exactly. Because they're trying to sell you things. They're all trying to sell you things. Of course. Of course. Yeah. And the best way to sell people things is find out what the fuck they're talking about. Yeah. What do you want? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes total sense. Of course. Like Elon and X was, well, Elon specifically was the only one who stood up amongst our american big tech companies to say no this is a very bad bill the others to my knowledge were very very silent or they were actually coming out in support of it competition makes sense the other the other piece of that is um other than x and tikt, the Biden administration has been very successful at working with Google and Meta Facebook Instagram in being able to control, quote, unquote, disinformation and information. So when you look at from a government standpoint, well, why, if you're concerned about data security [1:35:04] and privacy, why aren't you doing it across the board and treating every social media company that Americans use with that same standard? Well, maybe they're just going after the ones that they can't actually control and intimidate into doing their work for them, which is why it makes sense. Why Elon Musk and others would say, well, of course, if today it's TikTok, then why wouldn't it be X tomorrow? It's interesting to me that people don't seem to understand the value and importance of a guy like Elon. Yeah. There's this wild billionaire character looks to dunk on people like that guy being like, did you see that thing that he posted the other day? Because just one of the guys who was like from Facebook, I believe, said that what Elon is doing is corruption on like an Enron level, I think he compared it to. So Elon posted a photo of a dog laying its balls on another dog's head. [1:36:00] And I did not see this. And was like, don dunking on his dude. I'm like, how wild is this guy? And then someone said, did you really spend $44 million, billion on Twitter so you can dunk on people? And he writes 100%. He's like, I don't know how he is. Time for this. I mean, I don't understand. It doesn't make any sense to me. But he does. He does everything else that he's doing. He's a fascinating guy. Yeah. I mean, his brain is a fucking tornado of information just flying around all the time. And I think it helps him to be able to just fuck around to be silly. Yeah. But he was the only one that recognized that there's a real problem if you have the entire narrative being controlled by one ideology through all the social media apps and that's what's going on. Exactly. There are tech companies, tech companies have hired people that are coming from universities and they're all infected by this ideology and it's nuts that that's the case. [1:37:02] And then they've done a really good job of it if you go to like GAB or any of them, especially initially, like it was so Nazi, like oh my god, I gotta get outta here. It was like, like go into a Nazi party, like oh, like even if you're not a Nazi, like they're Seek Highland, the Quarrel, like shit. I gotta get outta here. I don when they came up with these alternative platforms that people wanted to squash the idea of having people that were free outside of Twitter and Facebook that were reasonable people that just wanted objective conversations, which I guarantee most of them were. Most of them were tired of being censored on Twitter and shadow ban and all that shit. So they try these other, whether it's gab or truth, social or any of them were tired of being censored on Twitter and Shadow Band and all that shit. So they try these other, whether it's GAB or Truth Social or any of them. I guarantee you, if I was an intelligence agent and I was inclined to do, I would get in there and start seeing Highland. I'd go crazy. I'd post the most racist memes and have everybody salute. [1:38:01] I'd go nutty. I'd have fake accounts liking those things and getting excited about it and reposting it because that's how you make a place toxic and that's how you kill the competition. Right. I would do that. I would do that if I was running Twitter. If you were just a, I obviously wouldn't do it. Yeah, of course. But if I was a evil fuck, I would be like, this is the. It makes sense. How do you make it a place where people don't want to be? How hard is that to do? You hire a bunch of people to do it. You get algorithms, you develop them, you start posting memes and shit. Yeah. Easy. Now you make it toxic. Now I look in there, like, ugh, you gotta get outta here. Exactly. And so then you don't have an alternative and you deal with the fact that if you're a left wing person you can say the most outrageous shit even call for violence against people. Twitter caught selling data to government spies while complaining about surveillance. Inferipenny. Inferipenny. Inferipenny. Inferipenny. Inferipenny. Is this recently? What is this saying now? That they have a deal with a company called Data Miner. And what does DataMiner do? [1:39:05] uses AI technology to constantly monitor public activity on social media and other parts of the web. In doing so, its clients often law enforcement can receive customized real-time alerts of what's brewing on what's brewing online, which helps them respond to natural disasters or more ominously spy on protests, notes the intercept, okay. or more ominously spy on protests, knows the intercept. Okay. But also does allow them real time alerts of what's brewing online. So you're not saying they're censoring people. You're saying that they're allowing them to look at data. So that data could be like how many people are posting about some sort of a protest when they want to burn down a church or whatever the fuck it is. You're talking about a different thing than banning people from posting things, especially these people that are experts from Harvard and MIT and [1:40:00] this is a different thing. I've seen, I've seen, I mean there's a data minor app. I've seen how the information flows through. I don't know what the, it says the story revealed the surveillance firm pays for special access to a fire hose of data from Twitter. I'd be curious about what, what does it mean? What that fire hose, fire hose of data is. So this data minor has a unique contractual relationship with Twitter whereby they have real-time access to the full stream of all publicly available tweets. So, but it's just publicly available tweets that are already available. So it's like a very high-level search function. A company representative said an email to the government agency for the report. So is that like a search function? Like, cause it's all public tweets. So they have access to the stream of all publicly available tweets. But doesn't everybody have access to the publicly available tweets? Yeah. Not with AI. Right. Software monitoring. Right, but if you did have an AI, [1:41:02] so like say if you had an AI, whether it's Google's AI or any AI, you said, hey, go look at Twitter. Tell me who's talking about Nazis. Right, curating the tweets that are coming into your feed. That's part of what he's been complaining about online is how many people, and they blocked access to many programs that did have access to the API because it costs money for them. Every time someone's taking that that so they just kind of cut it all off. Like I used to use Tweet Deck to look at Twitter all the time. That doesn't work anymore? You get to pay for it. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. How come? Because I honestly don't know. Arguably it would just be like it was a good feature so it might as well make people pay for it because they can make money. How much Tweet Deck cost? It's part of the pro. See the pay for pro. Okay. It's like 20 bucks. Okay. And then there's the other thing, we're like Apple takes a slice of that. If you're getting it off of your iPhone, right? If you get it from the App Store. That's where it is. If you pay for it on like Twitter on the website, no. But That's what I'm saying. Apple's got the wildest thing going. They have 30% of everything. [1:42:06] They have so much money. They have more money than countries. There's a lot of countries that don't have as much money as Apple. Yeah, I believe it. It's pretty nutty. That's being challenged, I feel like, in a lawsuit too. Right? Well, there's certain things that Apple does that are thought to be anti-competitive in it kind of a creepy way and one of them that they just recently got rid of is the lightning connection right so up until iPhone 15 or 16 16 what are we on now 16 we're on 15 now so up until 15 you used to, you have to use a lightning connector, which only works on Apple devices. Now you can use a USB-C, which is way better. It's better for data, it's better for connectivity, it's better for charging, get faster charging. Like the Android phones, particularly like Samsung Galaxy, to go to full charge is like an hour or less time. [1:43:02] Because it takes faster watt charging than the iPhone does. And for the longest time, it would be much better transfer of data because of USB-C. It's just a better, more efficient system. But Apple's like, yeah, you gotta use it. So the European Union, I think that was the problem. They couldn't sell them over there, but they were emitting illegal. So then they have to switch it over to USB-C. So now everybody at least has a universal thing. And then there's the problem with text messaging. So if you have an Android and you send me a text message, it comes out green. And I said, you want to come to green. Because it's text, it's SMS. And so now they're going to adopt RCS. So the idea is since you can't have eye message on everything, at least you'll have encryption and you'll be able to send large file sizes and that's what RCS is. Which is a higher level of text messaging that's been enjoyed by people who use Android's but not when they communicate with iPhones. iPhones were forcing people to use SMS. But it's shitty. It's inferior. You get blurry images and videos, not the same resolution. [1:44:10] It cuts it all down because that's a fit in the SMS format. So now you'll be able to share photos just like you will with an iPhone to iPhone. Interesting. No more green text messages. The text message will still be green. Interesting. Yeah. So no more green green text messages. The text message will still be green. Oh Interesting. Yeah, they want to make you feel like shit. I do. I need to feel like shit for having a different device. I think I yeah exactly it does work I think with kids. I think with teenagers see if this is true. I Believe I read that there was something like 86% of all teenagers, it was some high number of all teenagers use iPhones That like you're shunned. Yeah, use an Android. Yeah, which is crazy. It is crazy weird. Yeah, but that's how tribal people are We're tribal about our cell phones. It's nuts. We're tribal about the kind of computers we use kind of sneakers [1:45:04] I'm in do to sky. Flop Nike. You know, like people are crazy. Yeah. 87% of teens in the USA have an iPhone. While 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone according to a survey from investment firm, Piper Sandler, that is a monopoly. It's a huge monopoly. That is wild. Yeah. That's wild. That's wild. And how they control their apps and how much money they make off of the apps. Well, also their whole ecosystem is amazing. It's really good. They figured out a lot of really good things. It's so convenient that I can write on my computer and then I can transfer it to my notes and it's automatically on my phone. Exactly. I need you to use it all the time. It's so good. That's so good. You can do that with Samsung. You can do that with Android. You can do that. You'd have to switch systems and relearn how the, it's not hard to do. They're pretty intuitive. You know, I have a Samsung phone. I have an older one. I have a Galaxy, one of the Ultras that I used to think took a clear photo of the moon but it's actually bullshit. Yeah. You know that story? No. [1:46:05] No. They got me. They got me. There was a feature that's still a feature. It's kind of amazing. It's called Moon Shot. And so you could be looking at the moon. If you look at the moon with your iPhone and try to take a photo, it looks like dog shit. It looks terrible. Because it's just like this blurry thing. It would or everything, you need to be zoomed and looks terrible. But with Samsung's, when you zoom in, it holds a square over the moon and it enhances it. And it gives you like 100x zoom. So you get this crazy digital zoom. You zoom it on the moon and it looks really clear. And you can take a photo, but it turned out it was this AI. Because, yes, because some clever internet people, because you can't fool the internet what they did is they took a blurry image of the moon and they put it on a desktop computer and then took a photo with the camera of the blurry image on the desktop computer and filled it in made it pretty. [1:47:02] Wow you that's kind of smart that's a smart hack to figure it out I've seen people try to argue away and say well, it's actually no different than how AI enhances normal Yeah, no, no you take a picture talking about the moon. Yeah, there's there's a lot of detail there Yeah, what if there's a UFO I missed right? It's a UFO exactly you're trying to tell me yeah the mother ship is Circling around moon and you're lying to me guys are liars But oh man the technology is actually superior on those phones the sound songs. Oh, yeah It's it's quite a bit better the screens are quite a bit better the screens have an Anti-reflective coding on the new S24 ultra so even in bright sunlight when you're outside, you could read your screen perfect. It doesn't, you don't have the glare, you're trying to look at your phone like this. You don't have to do that. That's interesting. You also have superior battery life. You only have like a tiny little circle that's missing from the screen for the camera. [1:48:00] You don't have that big-ass, stupid bar that's in the front for Face ID There's a lot of things that are there it has a pen you could write on it like it's it has AI features It lets you translate in real time you and I can be having a conversation You could be speaking Spanish and it would show me in English in real time And then I could speak to you in English and it would show you in Spanish So the phone gets split down the middle so this side faces you and that side faces me And we would have a conversation and I could read what you're saying Hmm, and then you could wear these ear buds and it'll translate it in real time. Oh wow, which is crazy That's incredible. It's crazy. I tried using the the Google translate app Yeah, when I was down at the border and talking to different people from different parts of the world and it sucked It like the intent I think was for that to happen is like you just turn on the microphone And then I could speak and they could see in the screen like it's translating into their language And but then they could respond in their language and you're just seeing it play out real time, but it didn't work It didn't work. It just didn't work. The thing froze or it didn't [1:49:05] translate and then you got to push all these buttons and then even then... Well the Samson One is using AI and I think it's the most advanced version. It also has a thing where it lets you organize your notes in AI. So it'll change the tone of your text messages. It'll suggest things that are more polite or more friendly. Yeah, there's like mose you can do. So you can do AI for that. You could also- That might piss me off some time if I don't really want to write a polite text message. Right. Well, then you don't have to. You could write it in your own language. We can write it however you want. In your own voice. But you can also ask it to make this more polite. Oh wow, okay. That's what it is. So it's not, it's not easy. It's crazy. How about you be a little nicer? You're right. It's not does it. Okay, so it's not policing me. It also will summarize web pages. So if you go to a web page, I don't want to read all this shit. Give me a summary. And they're like, oh, it'll break things down to you. [1:50:05] So it's using AI on the phone. In constructive ways. But 86% of kids don't have it. Yeah. Weird. The, have you heard of this unplugged phone that Eric Prince is doing? Yes. Yeah, I've heard of it. It's interesting. I just got one, I haven't set it up yet, but it is what they're saying is the most secure means of communication. Obviously, technology is never 100% secure, but the fact that it does not have the same ad ID numbers that every one of our other phones has, Apple, Samsung, whatever makes it so that we are able to protect more of our information than we would otherwise. Right. But do you get to use apps with that? Yeah. Can you use Instagram? Yeah. They have their own operating system and their own apps, but you can also download whatever [1:51:02] apps you want to download. But if you download Instagram. And they're the settings. The settings you are able to actually make it so that Instagram is not able to collect the kind of data that they would otherwise. Yes. So what is it operating on? Like what is it like graphene? Like what is the operating system? I haven't set it up yet. It is an operating system. They got the guy who, as their CTO who created the Pegasus system. Oh great, you could trust him. That was my question. If you're gonna make, first of all, if you're gonna make... There's two sides of that. Honey, pot, phone. Yeah, there's two sides of that. Is if you created it, then ideally you would know how to protect against it. Right? Yes, for sure. Or you would say, look, the kind of people that want a phone like this, these raw, raw fuck the government people, like these type of people that might get visited by the FBI. [1:52:01] Give them a phone, call them like the Patriot phone or whatever the fuck you want, call it. So I make it a nice little huntbot. Yeah. I'm not saying that it is. No, no, no. Well, I, so I asked them like, it sounds like this is the perfect kind of phone for people in the military or people who are conducting different kinds of operations because of all of these protections and so on and so forth. And they said they're intentionally not selling to the US government because they don't want that doubt to be in people's minds that this is some kind of op that's happening that will allow some kind of surveillance to take place. Anyway, it's interesting. That is interesting. There are other phones that do that. There's phones that operate on, they operate on an operating system called Graphene OS. We take a phone, like a Google phone and they de-google it. So they remove all the Google stuff and then there's a bunch of detailed instructions of how to do it. Then they put this new operating system on, and when the new operating system works, [1:53:01] all your shit doesn't work. Like all the normal Google services and all that stuff. It's a completely different operating system., all your shit doesn't work. All the normal Google services, and all that stuff. It's a completely different operating system. Yeah. So there's, they have figured out how to do both. You can toggle on and off what mode you wanna be in, and it's got the VPNs and everything else. Mm. Mm. And that's this suspicious hippo face. Yeah. Yeah, skepticalo face. Yeah. Yeah, skeptical hippo. Yeah. Yeah, if someone did figure something like out that, be great. I asked Elon about that once, because I had read this story about a Tesla phone. He's like, oh God, I hope we don't have to make phones. But it's the way he said it. I hope we don't have to make phones. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because when you look at the interconnectedness between, you know, Tesla and you look at obviously the power element and then the car element and then you look at the content platform that they are building X in two like the vision that they have for it to be the [1:54:04] one-stop shop, not only for all different kinds of media, but for, you know, payment and interaction and business, commerce and everything else. It's interesting when you look at that direction of connectivity. It is also interesting. It's interesting. That if you have a Tesla and I have one, I love it. You can't get Apple CarPlay. It doesn't come with no Apple CarPlay fuck off thing Off-Stoobit use our shit So what can you use them just their organic? You can Bluetooth your phone like you can play music like you have Spotify hooked up to your phone on Bluetooth You play a song on Spotify to play on that. Yeah, and you also have like there's a lot of options like Spotify's built into the system Spotly so you could just like tell it okay, you could like press it play notorious B.I.G It just our plan random song you tell it what song to play interesting he pressed a button You say hey navigate to a TV steakhouse, okay, bam it'll take you there, okay? So and it's got this big ass huge screen [1:55:03] Like I don't know how long it is. How long is the screen on our cars? It was like 18 inches? Looks like it's about 18 inches, right? And it's just massive map. So like for navigation, everything, it's great. Yeah. But if I was gonna make a phone, I wouldn't allow Android or Apple to like have car play from off. Right, exactly who's my shit and then once he develop an X phone. Yep. I Could see it. I could see it. I'm sure he's thought of it I'm sure he's thought of it other than me saying that to him. I'm sure that's not the first time He thought of it. Yeah, because if anybody could pull it off. It's probably Elon It's probably Twitter and act what X whatever. Yeah. If they came up with a SpaceX phone, all the nerds would be like, like, give me, give me, give me, come on. Especially it was good. Especially if people move to more secure messaging systems that are end to end encrypted like signal, which also gets skeptical about. [1:56:00] Like, I've read something on some one of the forums where they were saying that signal was funded by CIA money. Is that true? Which is not, that's not good. And then there's WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook. Yeah, but WhatsApp is not a secure form of communication. Is it not? No. Is it sus? No. It's more than sus. Super sauce. Yes. It's confirmed. It's confirmed. How about that? Freedom of the press foundation acted as signals fiscal sponsor between 2013 and 2016. The project received grants from the night foundation, the Shuttleworth foundation, and almost three million from the US government, sponsored open technology fund. Yeah. What does that say there? Don't know how I read it. Article claims signals origins as a US government asset are, [1:57:01] that's not so bad. Asset are public record and a lack of funding is because of the CIA. Found this article that makes it claim that signals origins as a US government asset are a matter of extensive public record, even if the scope and scale of the funding provided has until now. Does anyone here know what public records they're referring to here? It says if so, does anyone have links to to these public records this means signal is a honey pot hmm it all they also say that signal handed people over to the cia i'd like to know what actually evidence of that exist if it's true that kind of socks that's what it says there um... but tucker said that he was communicating through signal and that the government contacted him and said, we know that you're setting up a meeting with Putin. Because we read your signal and he was like, I didn't know you could even do that. Well, this connects directly back to the FISA Section 702 law because if they are surveilling [1:58:01] certain foreign entities in Russia, then an American citizen like Tucker Carlson communicating with them, the government is then able to just immediately go in again without a warrant and saying, okay, we gotta go before a judge. And even if they do go before a judge, it is a secret court, there is only one side that's presented, which is the government saying, we need to go and capture all of Tucker's data. For example, I have no idea if this actually happened, but let's say that's the scenario. That court, and this is public information, that court approves 99.999999% of all requests that the government makes to go in and surveil American citizens. It's essentially a rubber stamp, which is exactly the problem, but that's where I could foresee. Okay, well, Tucker's communicating on signal. This surveillance law that just was strengthened recently when Congress passed it and Biden signed it into law allows that to happen. [1:59:01] Hmm. So it's all bullshit then. So signal, unplug phone, all that stuff. If that's the case, if they have the ability to read signal, don't you think they have the ability to read every single piece of information that gets sent from your phone? They can intercept it and read it. It just makes sense to me. I believe it. I don't know how you're going to protect that. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I don't understand how you could protect that with a different operating system as long as it's using the same cell phone signals. It's like, I understand that you're saying it's encrypted, but is that encryption impossible to crack? Like, isn't that, is there a source of that encryption? Couldn't someone just get the phone and let's figure it out and back engineer it seems like they could. An interesting thing about, I asked this same question about this unplugged phone. And if you're using, which I hadn't heard before about any other app, but if you're using their version of signal, their texting app that you can do calls and FaceTime and whatever [2:00:02] through with another app on another unplugged phone. Every time you connect a caller, you send a text message, it generates a new encryption key versus signal, which is when you download it and you set up your account or whatever, that is your key. So would you have to have a non-plugged phone for me to talk to you in that encrypted app? That's what I, yes, I believe so. So you'd have to have a non-plugged phone for me to talk to you in that encrypted app? That's what I yes, I believe so you'd have to have it and I would I believe so because I don't know that their app Is available on Apple for example, right? See that would be interesting if someone developed something that did that that developed The generation of a new encrypted key every time you're using it. Yeah. And starting a conversation, that's, it all seems like a feature. But you know, it's a feature. It's a feature of a race. Yeah. It just seems like the boundaries between people and privacy. A signal facing collapse after CIA cuts. [2:01:03] Oh wow. Jesus. So this is an investigative journalist on a website. I then looked up as account is suspended on Twitter or X. I don't know why, but this is an article that says some interesting things. But I don't know how much of this is fact. That's almost why it has it's needed to bring it up. But does say a friend of mine. So hold on a second. Never acknowledged any serious way by the mainstream media signals origins as US government asset or a matter of extensive public record, even if the scope and the scale the funding provider has until now been secret the app brainchild of shadowy tech guru, Moxie Marlin spike, by the way. That's quite it. He came on the podcast. He's not shadowy. Did he really? Yeah, he's on the podcast. Wow. Not shadowy at all. Interesting. No, like regular guy. Yeah. Like some of this is probably horseshit. A real name, Matthew Rosenfeld. How dare you, Moxie. You have a fake name. Was launched in 2013 by his now defunct open whisper systems the company never published financial statements or [2:02:06] Disclosed the identities of its funders at any point during its operation Some's involved in developing launching and running a message app used by countless people globally will nonetheless Surely significant the newly published financial records indicate signals operating costs for 2023 alone indicates signals operating costs for 2023 alone are 40 million and projected to rise to 50 million by 2025. Rosenfeld boasted in 2018 that OWS never took VC venture capital funding or sought investment. At any point though, mysteriously failed to mention millions were provided by the Open Technology Fund. That's the money. Oh, here we go. Open Technology Fund was launched in 2012 as a pilot program of radio free Asia, an asset of the US agency for global media. Oh, boy. [2:03:01] Which is funded by US Congress to the tune of over one billion annually in 2018 the then CEO openly acknowledged the agency's Global priorities reflect US national security and public diplomacy interests That sounds sus is that super sus that is super sus I just like you say in super sauce. Yeah. That's a little iffy. That's very iffy. If it's true or if it's not true, it's a disinformation campaign designed to cripple signal and to lose people's trusted signal. Yeah, perhaps. That last thing there though is a separate issue of concern of the United States government funding. US propaganda, essentially, in different parts of the world. I would like to talk to real nerds about this phone, [2:04:01] this unplugged phone, the real nerds. I would like to have the real nerds look at this and go, yes or no. Like, what do you, what do you, I'm curious as well. Is there reviews of the unplugged phone by any of them super smart people? And so says that some pre-order. Oh, but they have them. Brian Cullen has one. Tulsi have one. Yeah. It says by now, but I don't. Let's see if I can buy it. Oh, so it's not pre-order. It used to be pre-order like till recently. I'll just show you what I saw. Pre-order today. See, right. It says the positive for nine. But just go to the actual I did. And that's where like I started. Oh, so it maybe used to be, maybe that was the link at one point in time. It said pre order. Okay. Be interesting if people use this. But it's like, I mean, I need that. I need someone to tell is that is it 1900 bucks? I could have two in the card. [2:05:00] Would you buy phones? You're psycho? What are you doing? I'm trying to see what I'm gonna ship. Psycho's gonna ship in three months. I mean, it's not. What if we start? You know what I'm saying? Right. What if we start using those? Hmm. I don't know. Yeah, it is very interesting because there are other phones that I've seen in the past who have tried this and not succeeded. And I don't know whether it was a virtue of, you know, the time in our country where people maybe we just weren't that interested in having a secure means of communication or a secure phone. Well, people don't want the inconvenience and most people don't have to think about this, right? So they're not thinking about the government looking at everything they do. What are they doing? Right. Just trying to get laid and try to fun. They're just trying to do normal stuff. They don't care. fun. Just on do normal stuff. They don't care. But if 86 or whatever the number was, percent of kids use iPhones, they are locked into that ecosystem. You're locked in with your photographs, you're locked in with everything. And you've got Apple Pay and you've got the whole thing. Everything. All you need is your phone. You use your phone. I use my phone as a remote control [2:06:01] to control Apple TV. It's crazy. It's really it's actually better than the real remote control Interesting because you could type on the keyboard instead of doing that stupid thing. We have to go oh gosh Yeah, do let her buy a letter Like you try to find a movie you like it takes five minutes to type it out. You just type it on your phone interesting Yeah, the the Apple remote control thing is fucking great. It's better The Apple remote control thing is fucking great. It's better. The problem is when you have these walled gardens like Apple's ecosystem, it's very difficult when you have everything over there. All the stuff, your email, your this. To jump off of that. It's hard. And most people don't ever do it. They just go, ugh, too much work. I'm like, whatever you're on. Whether you're on Android or you're on Apple. But they try to make it easy. They try to lure you over. They try to get you to switch. Nobody wants to do it. I think that's where it is. It is interesting to me that more and more people are paying attention to government surveillance, their ability to reach into our private information [2:07:02] and who is allowing that to happen. I think they count on the majority of us not being aware. I think that is the case today. The majority of people are not aware and they don't think of it as a primary concern. The majority of people are way more concerned about climate change because that's like it's a common area. You think it's a majority of people? I think it's a lot of people. They'll say it at least. How much they know about it is weird. A bad conversation with the people, when they talk about like, okay, well they all agree, we've got to act now about the climate. And I go, what did you hear? Like tell me what you hear. There's like, have a conversation. Let them just spill it all out. It's like AOC talking about Palestine and Israel. It's like, I'm not really a centimeter deep. Not exactly. I'm not sure. Something bad is happening. They don't know what they're talking about. If you say, have you ever looked at a video of the difference in the shoreline from like 1987 to today? Have you ever done that? [2:08:01] Have I done it? I've seen for Hawaii. What's the difference? It's Have you ever done that? Have I done it? I've seen for Hawaii. Yeah. What's the difference? It's bigger. It is. It's much bigger. It's bigger because Hawaii grows because it's a volcano. But when you look at the shoreline in a lot of places, it kind of seems the same. And also these like fucking psycho-rich people are buying houses on the beach. Do they know something we don't know? Like don't you think if they really thought that the oceans were gonna rise 100 feet in the next week that the fucking insurance companies would go, hey, you're not gonna, you can't buy that. Or even the next five years, I mean, you know. Well, people are having a hard time getting a homeowner's insurance in California because of the wildfires. Yeah, that's true. That's a real one. That's a very big issue. That's a real one. That's a real one. And, you know, but they're not having a hard time with the right next to the water. Yeah. Like no one's getting, it's not like tsunami insurance. Yeah. It's, you know, I mean, like. Did it even have that? tsunami insurance? I don't know. I wanna say yes. I want to say no. I think if you're dumbass, it buys a $50 million house in Malibu, like right on the [2:09:07] wall. I want to be all in the water. Hey, bitch. You know which water's out there? Where's all the water? We had the active volcano that we've had on the big island for so long, but the actual flow that happened through neighborhoods when the floor of the volcanic shelf within the crater fell through, the lava went down and started flowing through all these lava tubes that were running beneath full, fully occupied neighborhoods. People had botland and built houses in those neighborhoods knowing it was, I think it was a lava three zone, which is like, you're building on top of an active volcano's lava tubes., which is like, you're building on top of an active volcano lava tubes, you have to know that you're assuming that risk. Well that, when that happened, there were lava, spouts, and little mini craters that were formed within so many of these different communities. [2:10:03] We were going around there. I was with the head of the Rhodes Division for Hawaii County and we would go and look. And like as soon as there was a crack in the pavement, we like okay, we gotta mark that one down in the map because that is the next day, you see the steam coming up as though it's a lava vent. And then within the next day or two, you would have an active like 20, 30, 40 feet in the air lava sparing up right in the middle of like a normal kind of suburbia-ish neighborhood. And this happened in over 20 different locations within this particular area. And it was mind blowing to go there one day after the other after the other and see how quickly a beautiful little neighborhood turned into a complete bed of lava. So this then begs the question like, oh, is your home insured? There was one insurance company in the entire world that would ensure homes that were built [2:11:02] in a lava three zone. Did they go under? Well, I don't think they went under because it's so freaking expensive. Most people just didn't have it. Most people couldn't afford it. It's a gamble, right? It is a gamble. And it was amazing to see how so many residents there recognized like, okay, yeah, we knew we were getting this land. It was pretty cheap. Built a beautiful house, knowing that this possibility could occur and frankly just it was amazing to see their respect for mother nature and knowing like we chose to live here. Madam Pele is doing her thing and yeah we're gonna have to figure out something else. So what is going on right now in Maui? Can I say a quick, quick, quick, quick break? Yeah, yeah. This is a good one to talk about, right? It's a very important one. Yeah. We're back. So we were just about to talk about Maui. So what is going on right now post fires? [2:12:06] No one is rebuilding homes yet. The remediation effort is still underway. And the biggest challenge for the families who are directly impacted by that, who were left homeless is the fact that they, they still don't have anywhere to go. You know, they've been put up in Airbnb's or in hotel rooms for a period of time. On Maui, the hotels are like, hey, we need to be able to start welcoming in tourists back into the island. The governor is trying to work out a plan to be able to provide some form of semi-permanent housing for people. If they were to try to go out and rent a house on the market, it is purely unaffordable. And there are a number of families who are now faced with the tough decision of, do we just pick up and go and move our life out of Hawaii and to the mainland? Which is heartbreaking, given how many of those families, [2:13:01] I mean, they've been in that community in West Maui or in Lahaina for generations. What is happening with the people that had mortgages? So if they had a mortgage and their home was burnt down and they haven't gotten money from the insurance company and they haven't been able to rebuild, so they still have to pay that mortgage while this is all going on? You know, I haven't heard that raised as an issue. I would hope that the mortgage company would recognize what's going on, but that's a good question I haven't heard it raised as an issue from either residents or as part of the conversation around Housing for them why has no one been able to rebuild? There has to be There's there's so many layers of toxins in the ground that have to be cleaned up and removed before people can go in and actually start to rebuild. But to speak of just the inspection and the permitting process and so forth. So the layers of toxins just from the fire? From the fire and you had a gas station with underground fuel tanks that burned like completely to ash [2:14:05] on the ground. The toxins that came from all, you know, different construction and everything else that exists in the environment. So all that stuff burns, it gets in the soil, it gets rained on so the ground is contaminated. Right. And this is the reason why they can't rebuild? Yeah. And they knew from the outset it was a known fact that it would take, I mean, if it only takes a year, that is an expedited timeline is what I've been told. How long has it been now? August will be one year. August 8th. The most insulting thing was the $700 one-time payment from the government. Like, that is who said yes to that? Who allowed that? At the same time, releasing this number where they accidentally had sent Ukraine [2:15:01] $6 billion. Remember that? Yeah. They said, oh, well we we lost track of this six billion dollars and so now that we've found it because of some accounting error now we can go and send it to you crane and they were automatically assuming they were going to send that anyway of course of course but no consideration at all now it we you know i remember specifically when the fires had just happened the white house brought in the director of FEMA to talk to the White House press corps and someone asked the question, what are you, FEMA, what are you actually doing for the people who have been impacted by this tragedy? And the director stood there with a straight face and proudly said, well, we have provided one time payment of $700 to everyone who has been impacted by this fire, displaced by this fire. And that was her big announcement that she was there to make. One single one time payment of $700. So that means you have 700 servings of ramen. Yeah. Basically, basically, I mean, you can't even rent a bedroom in someone's house for $700. [2:16:09] It's just, it's certainly you can't for eight months. No. That's what's crazy. No. $700 is so crazy. It's just such an insulting and ridiculous number and the fact that they haven't given more. It's like, but yet they're flying people around on airplanes that come in illegally through the border. Yeah. Just like how much is that cost? Yeah, exactly. What does that program cost? Exactly. What does that cost? Multi-billions of dollars if I had to guess. It's, you know, FEMA has other services. It's a lot of bureaucracy. It's a lot of paperwork and residence on Maui. They were being told like, okay, well, hey, if you accept this kind of aid from FEMA, you are seeding some sense of your sovereignty or decision making ability with regard to your land or your property and all of the red tape, [2:17:02] essentially, that caused a people, a community who were rightfully skeptical about government coming in and saying, okay, well, we're gonna help you when that same government said, oh yeah, hey, we may at that time, and the governor said this, and then he corrected himself later on, but he's like, oh yeah, we're thinking about and talking about how we can turn this entire place of the government take ownership of it and turn it into some kind of memorial or some kind of workforce housing, which obviously made people really freaking mad to say like, oh, who the hell are you to come in here and say, you're just going to take our land? You're just going to take it and do what you want with it? So they're obviously very skeptical and rightfully so about, you know, the fine print. What does it mean if I accept a few bucks here, there, from the federal government? What power am I seeding to you to determine my future, the future of my family in our home? And unfortunately, the rest of the country has forgotten about it. [2:18:00] By and large, yeah. Yeah. There's always a new thing in the news. There's always a new thing to pay attention to. It's always a new fear. One of the things that that has just recently come out, first of all the Maui Police Department, they did an audit of what went wrong, what did we do wrong, what should we have done better, and kudos to them for actually doing this. And I think they came up with like 92 recommendations on things that needed to be fixed. They shared that with municipalities all across the country as like, hey, here are the hard lessons that we learned. You guys should take note and try to protect yourselves from having to go through what we went through. Other agencies at the county level and at the state level have not been so honest or transparent about their shortcomings. And the most egregious one recently that our local news and Hawaii exposed was the head of Maui's emergency response division. He was off-Island that day. He was out of all places, a FEMA conference on a Wahoo when the fires happened. And instead of doing what any compassionate [2:19:08] and responsible person and leader would do, you'd immediately get on the first plane out. You get a notification there, this, you know, this fire's happening on Maui. I gotta be there with my people and I gotta lead my teams to respond to this emergency. He, it took him a few days to go back to Maui, first of all. But the thing that was, and I don't know if you can find this, Jamie, but they released his text exchanges that he had with his assistant, who was telling him, and he's like, what's going on with the fire, LOL, and the assistant responding, saying, ha, ha, ha, this place is like a circus. Their exchange was so disturbing. Doesn't even put it lightly when you know there are people who are being burned to ash, burned alive in their community and their text exchange is like, oh, [2:20:02] ha ha ha, is the fire still going? LOL. Yep. Now it's going in another place. change is like, oh, ha, ha, ha, is the fire still going? LOL. Yup. Now it's going in another place. I couldn't, I couldn't believe it when I read it. And this was the same guy. Herman Andiah is his name. He, uh, he didn't show up and, and show his face publicly until like seven days after the fire. And then he went and he did one press conference and then he quit and resigned. But there has not yet, and I hope investigations are ongoing, there has not been any kind of accountability at the various failure points that existed in this response. If the government wanted to take over that land, the best way to do it is to drag this out and make it so that people have no other choice. They have nothing to do. They can't do anything and they just tell stories about it. We used to own that land. Right. There's a native Hawaiian leader, famous surfer navigator for the Hokulea and traditional Hawaiian navigation, Archie Kaleppa. He has [2:21:03] been one of the most stalwart leaders for the community during this whole period in time, organizing emergency response and food and shelter, and community gatherings, people come and play music at the end of the day throughout this whole crisis period and has been leading the charge. He's very well respected in the community in holding that line and saying, we are not giving up our land. But as you said, it becomes a much more difficult argument to make when people, you gotta live. You gotta be able to make sure your kids have what they need to go back to school and all of it. And how can you do that when you're in a constant state of transition with no real timeline, where they're not coming and saying, okay, hey, you can go and start rebuilding on this date. Right. So they're gonna have to do some sort of research. Well, speak of the cost. I mean, like building a house from scratch. Right, crazy. Most people don't have that money. Yeah. And then also like how long is this cleanup going to take and like what it when does it start and what [2:22:05] do they have to do? It is ongoing. It is ongoing but it is massive excavation and so it's ongoing. It is ongoing. Have an anticipated timeline. I heard from one guy they were looking at will hopefully maybe it might be September might be October but you know it's one of those things that one of the guys who's out there actually doing this is just saying, well, you don't know what you're going to deal with until you're actually dealing with it and it might take longer. It might not take as long, but it's one of those things that they're not figured out as they go, but they are being confronted with things as they go. Is this one of those issues where you wish that maybe you still were in congress yeah yeah because at least you could be talking about it that was that was my hope and i talked with leaders in congress and people who i still know there and just calling for uh... oversight and accountability from the federal government because we saw many points of failure [2:23:01] everything from the immediate response to the whole water issue and the fact that there wasn't any water coming through people's hoses during that time. Now, why was that? The history of water on Maui is complicated and it's largely attributed to that of the fact that the water is a privately owned utility. And how that water is controlled, there is limited use of water at different times, how it's controlled, and where it goes. And there was a state water management official, apparently, who had some say in this saying, well, you know, I don't think that we should turn the water on for this period of time because we don't know exactly what's going to happen. But my point is all of these things need to be very clearly investigated because people's lives and property were absolutely destroyed because of this. [2:24:01] So was it because that water is a valuable commodity? They didn't allow it to be used by the people that were experiencing the fire? There was some implication of, I don't know. It was like, well, we want to make sure that the water is being distributed equitably. And so we don't want to give it to one group of people over another group of people. It really didn't make any sense what the argument was, but it was like, hey, you missed that critical juncture in that window because you were trying to ruminate. It was something to do with equity and some theoretical argument, rather than this is a community in crisis, there are fires burning in various different places. We need to get water to people who need it. There's also the thing about having above ground wires, right? Which is crazy. It is. [2:25:01] It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It a place that experiences storms, but also on West Maui is traditionally a drier part of the island that also experiences wildfires, even small ones on a regular basis that if they're not immediately controlled, you end up with what happened. This is so disheartening that it's not receiving more attention. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is, you look at the things that we've talked about. What are they actually focusing on? Yeah. And that's where the opportunity. And it is such a dire picture. It's a time where we are surrounded by literally insane people who are making decisions that further their own interests and their desire to either hold onto power or grow their power at the cost of the well-being of the people and at the cost of our fundamental freedoms. [2:26:05] And that's where, you know, this election, our using our voice, our defending our freedom of speech by speaking the truth and speaking freely, all of these things and our engagement with them as Americans, as citizens, it matters more than anything else. Because if we continue to go down this track, we will continue to see our freedoms undermined until we wake up one day, and this will no longer be the America that we know and that we love. That's a scary thought. And it is. Until the last few years, I never would have thought that was the case. I would be like, now we're going to be okay. Now I'm not so sure. Yeah. Because I know we've gone through, you know, the political powers switch from one side to the other and back again. And you know, you figure like, okay, well, I disagree with this person or this issue or whatever, but being grounded and having the confidence in the [2:27:09] constitution and these fundamental rights and freedoms is kind of like, okay, well, we'll figure out the rest. But for everything that we've talked about, censorship and control and big government overreach and all of the government's surveillance, all of these different things point to the very real risk and domestic threat that we face. Yeah, there's just so many factors that are simultaneously taking place. There's surveillance, there's the invasion, which is kind of an invasion. I mean you'd call it open borders You call whatever you want. Yeah, it's people coming here that are supposed to be here And I'm for immigration just for them figuring out who's criminal like well legal Yeah, and then this is the thing. I've got a friend of mine who's about to retire [2:28:01] Special forces green berets served over 30 years in uniform a special forces, Green Berets, served over 30 years in uniform. Great American who's dedicated his life to service, he's about to retire. His wife is from a European country and they want to invite her sister and her sister's family to come to the retirement ceremony. Their residents of Italy. They have been denied a tourist visa to come to America for two weeks to attend this special forces warrant officers retirement. How is that? And these are like, hey, they got a family, they got young kids, they got school, they got jobs, and they were denied saying, well, we don't think that you have, we don't have confidence that you will come back to your life in Italy. Polaris. And yet, again, people are coming through the border every day, being picked up, border patrol has become like this uber drivers for people who are breaking our laws [2:29:01] from the moment they step across the border into our country illegally. And okay, so then they go out in the country, nobody knows where they are, who they are, are they really going to show up for a court date in two years or three years? And nothing is really truly been done about this. Seven years. Seven years between then and the court date. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It almost seems like it's all designed to erode our faith and to make this whole thing something that's way easier to control because the way our system is set up right now with if you can express the freedom of speech, if you actually can do that, it makes it very difficult to really to control a narrative That's it right there Yeah, that's it right there control and power and they're terrified of a truly free society Where we can have a truly free open marketplace of ideas They're terrified of people being able to you know, and I saw this when I ran for president in 2020, we're seeing it again in different ways in 2024 where they want to control what [2:30:09] information you get about certain candidates, what information you're not allowed to see, who is being pushed forward and who is not, and undermining our basic responsibility as citizens, which is to cast an informed vote and engage in our democracy and actually have a government of buying for the people. They're terrified of us doing that and making what they believe is the wrong choice. So they're trying to take away our right to do it so they can remain in power. And in their minds, I fully, I know many of these people and they feel justified in what they're doing that they are the righteous, that they are standing up for America and standing up for democracy, so much so that they are willing to destroy our democracy to save it in their minds, which is a dangerous, dangerous mindset that we could see in foreign dictators in different parts of the world and throughout history. [2:31:02] It really is, and it's astonishing how few people are willing to accept that it still takes place today. Right. They almost have this thought that those things have been sorted out and that you know that was the case in the past and even though history is filled with it and there's actually no instances of it not taking place. Right. You know like but now don't be silly. Right. Now we've got it. Gonna leave hands. That might have had Yon Werner on here from Rolling Stone. Yon Werner. He was trying to tell me that the government should regulate the internet. I'm like government. The same people that lied about weapons of mass destruction. Those people? No, no, not those ones. Yeah. Everybody wants daddy. They want daddy to come along. No one is gonna save you. No, exactly. No one is gonna save you. That's it. People Maui know that. They know that now. Yes. No one's gonna save you. Yes. And we have to be aware of how fucking crooked the system is. Yes. And I don't know how we're going to get out of it. I don't, I don't, but I'm very happy that people like you, [2:32:05] or at least you have the courage to talk about it. And so few people do. And it's a strange time to be alive. It's wonderful in a lot of ways. It's amazing in a lot of ways, but it's also, it's like treacherous. There's a lot going on right now. That's like like it really makes you wonder there's so much fucking subterfuge and shenanigans and so much money being funneled around and moved around it's just like whoo I think that's where there is you know there there is a silver lining in what we have been through with through COVID and through everything that's happened since is I think more and more people are waking up and at a minimum just questioning what they're being told. Is this actually true? Looking for information and news from other sources than maybe they had been before. Yeah. And just what you said, no one's coming to save us. [2:33:01] I think that is the message I'm carrying. I'm on the road constantly and I'm talking to people who ever will listen at events and on different media platforms. It's what I focused on in my book for love of country. The truth about what is happening in our country, the experiences that I had in the Democratic Party that caused me to leave the party and understanding that in this situation and there's a lot to be fixed across both parties and the government, but in my experience, and in the situation we're in right now at the Biden-Harris administration, they cannot be allowed to remain in power. We can agree or disagree on different issues, and it's good, and we should, and we should have those conversations. But when you look at the unprecedented abuse of power that they are engaging in, undermining the rule of law, politicizing our government entities, targeting Americans, targeting Americans who happen to be their political opposition, whether it's Donald Trump or the mom who's protesting [2:34:03] at a Board of Education meeting to have a say in what kind of education her child is getting. This is happening across the country. And if we, the American people, don't do something about this and stop them and hold them accountable, what happens in these elections? If they're allowed to remain in power, they will tell us, hey, you gave us a mandate. You said, hey, good job. Thumbs up. Keep at it. And we'll see everything that's happened. Just continue to escalate to a point where I have no doubt that our freedoms will be eroded to a point where it'll be virtually impossible to get them back. And where do we go from there? America no longer becomes the land of the free in the home of the brave. It becomes the land of people who are controlled by the government and forced to comply or else. And if you dare to have the courage to speak up and speak the truth or say, Hey, look, guys, the emperor has no clothes on. Boys are boys and girls [2:35:02] are girls. And that's just how it is then you will experience the retaliation or the consequences of that action. Well said. Thank you, Tulsi. Show your book for love of country. Love of country. It's out now. Did you do the audio? I did. I recorded the audio. Excellent. There's a little line on the top of the cover there you might recognize Oh, it's me. I appreciate your words your friendship your support and your being such an incredible stalwart voice of truth and and Providing a platform for real discussion where people can come and listen to those who have different viewpoints, different backgrounds, different experiences, and maybe they walk away agreeing or disagreeing, it doesn't really even matter. But having this kind of platform is such a powerful thing for everyone to be able to come. [2:36:00] That's the thing that happened by accident. Yes. So I went and I was invited to speak of this Passover event a couple of days ago. But the guy who picked me up at the airport, his name is Avi, works in New York. Their family hosted me and he's like, oh, where are you going next? I said, oh, I'm going to go to Austin. I'm going to see Joe Rogan. He's like, I am like, he's like, I'm kind of pissed off about how popular he's gotten because I was one of the OGs. From the very beginning, he's like, I know the roots of the Joe Rogan experience. Anyway, it was just, you got a lot of fans, but he was particularly owning the fact that he knew Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan was the Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan was you know the Joe Rogan experience Is it funny that people get upset when things get popular and other people find out of something? Exactly But people do that with bands all the time. Yeah Your thing and yeah, they were mainstream Now everybody likes some it's like everybody likes the thing I like [2:37:03] Sucks, though. Yeah, that's the beauty though of what you've done is like you've been you the whole time. And there's no like, oh Joe Rogan's gone mainstream and he's different or whatever. It's like you're you and I think that's what people are attracted to is just, you know, you are who you are. I think that's what people are attracted to with you as well. And I'm very happy you're out there and I'm very happy that you created this book. I'm really happy that you did the audio of it. Yeah. Because I don't really really know. It wasn't you know I before I recorded it I do a lot I do more audio books as well than I do. I read it every now and then but most of the time I'm actually like if I'm on a plane sometimes I read but yeah most of the time I'm sitting there listening to stuff in the sauna or listening to something when I'm having it. For me it's a use of time. Exactly. It's much more efficient. Exactly. It was, you know, I poured my heart into writing this book and I care very much about the issues that we're talking about and I care very much about our country. [2:38:03] And so in some parts of the audio book, it was emotional talking about some of the experiences that I've had and while I was deployed and really, truly conveying what's at stake and the responsibility. And so I go through a lot of the problems. It's important, obviously, to talk about the solutions and the call to action for every one of us as Americans. Why don't you care what your party affiliation is? That's not the point here. I'm urging people to leave this Democrat party behind because they are abusing their power and undermining our constitution. Just as our founding fathers did when they created these founding documents, they disagreed heavily on a lot of different things. They had fierce arguments and debates, but they came together around the most fundamental principles of our country that are censored around freedom, our ability to live in peace [2:39:02] and pursue prosperity, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now is the time that we have to come together as Americans around those foundational principles and get our country back on track. That is the most important task before us as Americans. Otherwise, it'll be too late. Here, here. Thank you, Tulsi. Thank you, Jim. Thank you for being here. I appreciate you. Great to see you. All right. Depressing. I appreciate you. Great to see you. All right, depressing. Goodbye everybody.