#2135 - Neal Brennan

In sketches, I could save this for the air. We're on the air. Oh, we are on the air. I just turned to my monitor on cuz I could see myself and I didn't want to be but what in sketches... I'll just open up with a Chappelle story because that's everybody thinks they're doing Dave would be watching himself on the monitor And then and I'd be like Just be in it and then I turn and I tell the camera man to turn around I'd be like did Neil tell you to turn around? So he couldn't watch himself. It just felt like you're just, if you're doing Rick James, maybe just be Rick James, not see yourself as Rick James. Maybe like a firm. That's Rick James. Well, yeah, Rick James would look at him on her. Yes. Absolutely. As a matter of fact, yes, actually a good move. By the way, Rest and Peace, oh, you're sent. Oh my God. Rest and Peace, oh, geez. We lost the juice. We lost the juice. I love you. Sim Tripoli posted something on Twitter today. It was OJ Simpson, just said, I did it. He posted on Instagram. But I guarantee that that's fake. That looks like a fake tweet. Yeah. I watched. There's a video of a compilation of norm doing OJ jokes. It's 11 minutes. And I watched it. I watched it and then went back and started. It was so glory. It was so relentless. He was so good He was so fucking funny. We're talking about OJ. No, he was Norm was so fucking funny and the glint in his eyes Yes, and half the time he was bombing on SNL because it wasn't really his crowd [2:03] And he didn't care No, he did not care and he didn't care. He did not care and he kind of got fired for it. Well, he had a view. You know, he had a frequency that he was on. And comics loved it and the audience loved it, but yeah, it wasn't necessarily SNL. Yeah, it was the audience audiences is home liked it. Yeah, it's 11 minutes of norm just like and then this stair after the punch line as it's either working or not. It's just glorious. That's getting normed because any is there. Yep, suit too big. Yeah. And yeah, they didn't. It wasn't like, well, well, it wasn't like lauded within SNL. Sorry. It was like his own like guerrilla unit, having a Sky Jim Downey, who wrote kind of all of it themselves. Well, SNL seems like they handicapped themselves. Like they're handcuffing themselves. Back then it was, but less, less back then, [3:06] but now for sure. I haven't watched very much. I'm me and Jo's to friends. I haven't, I just haven't seen it in a long time. Please funny. Yeah, Jo's very funny, but like, and but I haven't seen it. I, yeah, I haven't seen it. I had a sketch that I wanted just I wrote so that so the week Shane got Fired whatever unhired I Thought of a sketch And I texted I was gonna be in New York and I have so I had like a sort of open door policy And that's not where I could just write because I wrote there with Dave so So I had a sketch idea for Joe's words. It was a couple is getting rid of their in bed and they're like, So any STDs, you wanna tell me about and they're like, no, I'm clean and any podcasts. Bleh! [4:01] And we wrote and then it was like, I one it was it was like it was a good idea About Shane but like whatever and then we wrote it and then it kind of got Sheld like the my understanding was some of the People at the show didn't appreciate This and then I was hoping Joe's I was gonna tech Shane and be like hey, there's a sketch you should do But I don't want to be like this room for a show like well Gillian Keves is that if you watch Gillian Keves I mean I think I've seen a couple this fucking amazing. It's fucking amazing. It's underappreciated within the the Gillian Keves fans It's really appreciated But the mainstream does not know how good those sketches are he does Only only fans dad a dad needs to make money and so he does only fans. That's fucking insane. It's insane, does his Trump speed dating sketch? Oh my God. Oh that one I think I saw that. They're so good. They're so good because it's Buc-Wile because they're on the internet and Patreon [5:02] and I'm gonna get away with doing whatever the fuck you want and it just has to be funny. And that's really, you can't do that anywhere. You know, if you're on a network television, and you're dealing with so many executives, they're all terrified and everyone's scared and everyone's ideologically captured. There's certain things you can't joke around about and it's like, God, there's so much ground you can't cover. And it's just, you can't count yourself. You just handcuff yourself. Well, it's also the, as two aged men who have seen many parts of many eras of show business, it seemed, it's so, the whole thing has got the, the TV now feels like 78 year old woman who still thinks she's fine. And it's like, bitch, you're not fine no more. Do you don't gotta carry yourself like, like you know, everyone wants to fuck me. It's like, not really. You have all like the props from whenever one of them [6:02] but there's a lot of other women out here now. And they still think they haven't really adjusted. They kind of can't. You know what I mean? How do you reduce network television? How do you reduce late night TV? How do you reduce sketch shows? How do you, it's all still have to be what it always was. The format is just, it's so restrictive. The fact that you have to break for commercials, the fact that you have a specific amount of time, all of that is just, you can't compete with the internet because of that. It's just, you just can't. And then you have all the meddling. I mean, you've done, yeah, I mean, you dealt with Comedy Central. It was fucking insane over there. It was insane trying to tell them what is funny and what is not funny I will say after six episodes of the shepalchow they actually said I believe the quote was we don't understand your show so kind of just do whatever you want they really said like we don't understand it's funny right but there was a they a, we did the sketch the mad real world, [7:08] and one of the execs said like, it's an unfunny, it's a collection of unfunny scenes back to back. And I was like, well, could we at least show it to the audience? Do you mind? And then we showed it and it crushed. Of course. And then I showed it and it crushed. Of course. And then I kind, it's the only, and I got in the exact kind of ear. And I was like, I heard what you said about this. And she was like, hey, Neil, take it. Oh, they were bad. Because I was like, I was kind of attached to it. I was attached to it and I was also very, I knew it's with any of these things. You know, you Dave, anyone who's started the show, they're jumping out of the plane. Let them pack their own shoot. You don't remain like, you're jumping out of the plane. If you don't wanna say it or you're not confident in it, then you shouldn't have to say it. And they wanted to pack the shoot [8:03] the way they thought a parachute should be packed. And it's like, no, they'll let the jumper do it. And if it doesn't work, then you guys can... It's really like someone who's watch surgery who wants to cut. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. They don't know what they're doing. And their instincts are almost always wrong. And if they're lucky, they find someone is really good who can kind of work around their nonsense and still create a quality show. But a lot of the times it just gets in the way so much that you get like 60% 70% of what you could have had. Yeah. And you got to also hope that you get the audience overwhelms the network. Meaning South Park got off to a hot start. Well, South Park was South Park before Comedy Central was Comedy Central, right? Yeah, they made a video. They were a little wilder back then. Comedy Central was kind of the renegade. Yeah. And then South Park became so undeniable. You had to just leave them alone. They were so good. You just had to go just shut the fuck up and leave them alone. Yeah, and that kind of has to happen. [9:02] Yeah. So like, and it kind of happened with Chappelle Show pretty quickly. Like after the blind went to premises, it was first episode today, we're kind of like, oh, and then the ratings were good. So they kind of didn't, they tried to metal, but they kind of, their heart wasn't in it. It hit a cultural landmark. Yeah. It hit this thing where Chappelle Show was the show. It's like when is it on? When is it on again? Yeah, where's the man show was more like, ah, yeah. Yeah. It's doing pretty good. I think maybe we can help it somehow. Yeah. Or you kind of either want to, you need to, you just have to succeed a big way and then they'll stop. Yeah, it has to be so undeniable that they have to get out of the way. And you have to actually say that. You got to get out of the way. Like leave us alone. I don't know if I'm... Yeah, if you don't leave us alone, we're not going to do it. And that's the only way to do it. It's like that format is just so limiting. And you know, that format was all that existed. And that was the essential format for television. There was the only way to do it. You had commercials, you had an 8 p.m. time slot. This is all simple. You have 44 minutes with commercials. Do it. [10:09] What would you do if you were the owner of NBC, you know what I mean? I don't know what these companies should do. Common Essentials, basically a production company now. Well, they're doing the right thing I think and switching to streaming. So it's just a matter of being able to get enough quality stuff on streaming and get people over there. They're going to have to shell out a lot of money for big properties. They've done that with like, Disney's done that and Paramount's done that. A few of these viable streaming platforms have managed to make really good shows and put them on streaming. And they can still do that. There's shows like Showgun, which is just fucking so good. But it exists in both. It exists in streaming and on television. They kind of make it for that. You still have the commercial breaks, but when you watch on streaming, you just get the [11:03] full episode. Yeah. I also think there's probably very little input from advertisers meaning if something's popular people will just want to advertise on it. They won't give a shit. What the message is it family hour? Is this this is line up with proctor and gambles values or any of that shit? It's just like, yeah, we are the eyeballs. Let's go. Yeah, but even then, I mean, there's people that try to push back, even against Shogun, there was this thing about like, wiring, I don't know, black people on Shogun. Well, what do you think it's about? What's it's about Japan? It's like, what are you talking about? It's Japan, like like fuck is wrong with you. This is exactly what it is. Yeah, I hope that didn't get very far. No, it doesn't get far, but it's like they try and that's the indicative of the kind of pressures that those people feel behind the scenes. Because behind the scenes, it's all bunch of grifters. It's all bunch of network executive grifters that are all just working at DEI angle [12:00] and they're trying to make, like where's the diversity? I mean, how many times you've had pitches where you bring it in, they're like, where's the diversity? Like they're- I don't have that problem because I generally come with a diversity. I am Mr. White, diversity, but like I hear you. And yeah, I don't, the DI behind the scene shit, I think that they're just, they're scared. They're just scared, There's just like, what's the latest priority? Culturally. So they go like, we have to service that priority or I'm gonna get in some kind of trouble. 100%. And they don't know. They're just blowing in the wind. And they're so expendable. You can move network executives around, like chess pieces. Just move them around. Like chess, get rid of states. Yeah, not even chest pieces. Yeah, it's not even tick-tock, though. Yeah. Just move them along. They don't matter. They really don't matter. And basically, anybody could do that job as long as you have good quality television. As long as the people that are making it, the Paul Sims of the world, the people that make really good shows, just leaving the thing I always want to say. It's like, my standards are higher than yours. Well, you actually, I want a bomb less than you do. [13:08] Right. I'm more, I don't want this to go poorly. I understand that it's because they're basically back seat drivers. They kind of are like extra like over cranked. Yeah. But like, you know, I'm worried. I'm more worried than you. I'm again jumping out of the plane. Yeah. Let me pack the parachute. Yeah. But that's why they moved to LA. Well, they also want to make their mark on every day. Yeah, that's the guy who's right. They want to jizz in the soup every chance they can. There was a thing I remember when we were doing half baked, I wanted to do, I wanted to say, hey, let us do what we want and then at the end, we'll pass around a hat and you guys can take credit for something. Like, oh, the title. Okay, that's not bad. The cat, like just take, we just let us do the fucking thing. [14:00] But that's, they want to do the fucking thing. Yeah, always. They want you to get started You you get the started and then I'll come in and be a producer I'll be my what I imagined a producer was yeah, and they did but they don't have any Original I mean, but the good news is You kind of defeated them I Mean podcast YouTube, etc. It's like they're on there. It's hard not to kind of curb stomp them. Well, it's just they almost can't compete with the instantaneous access, the free access. You can get it anywhere. Get it on your phone, get on a tablet, get on your computer, you get it anywhere. And it's available anytime you want it, you can pause it, you can leave, you don't have to wait for a time slot, you watch all of them when they come out. It's just that format that exists, like the Netflix format of releasing the entire season of show, you can't compete with that. People love that, they love binging, they love it. They love the fact that it's available anytime you want it. [15:02] They love the fact there's no commercials. All that shit is just, they're just trapped. And if I was a network executive, if I was at the top of the food chain, I would be really thinking, like, is there another way to do this? Does it have to be this way? Does it have to be commercial breaks? Because nobody watches those. They're not good. They're not funny. Okay, but you, I've heard and I haven't experienced because I haven't made a show in Netflix other than Santa. There are things that they need you to hit certain shit by minute 10. The end of every episode has to be a cliffhanger. Oh really? That's what I've heard. I haven't experienced first and so it's as a show creator, I wonder if there is an imperative to want it. You kind of want to know with the information in terms of like, when do people turn the shit off? When do it will, I heard something like, if they watch the first three, then they'll [16:01] watch 10. Like you have to, so they're like front load the first three with plot, character, maybe set. I don't even know what the episode I'm kind of talking out of my ass a little bit, but I do know that they have information. So it's a formula. That they're, yeah, that they want, it's like you want people to watch your shit or not? Yeah. Like I, I, in my new Specialist 53 minutes, because I don't need it. I've never, I've never been like, oh good, it's an hour 20. I, it's never better longer to me. And I. 53 minutes is perfect. Yeah. That's perfect. And I moved jokes up. I was like, that's a, that joke. That's, it's like when you do the live show, the first really big laugh, like in my live show is probably it, I think it was at 11 and I, so in Netflix I moved it up to like seven or eight. You know what I mean? Like the big big, like oh fuck, like a different energy laugh. [17:00] Yeah. Move it up. That's weird though. But I get it. It's a four. I am I'm meeting them where they are. Yeah, do you know Your name I know your son. Yeah, but I don't feel like I'm selling myself out or like I'm the integrity of my act Like that's just how I did it right you're just formatting it for this very specific system as opposed to a live show Yeah Well, you're like setting things up and yeah, and at a live show. Yeah. Where you're like setting things up and... Yeah, and at a live show, they can't go anywhere. They're there. They're there. They want to be there. At home, they can watch everything ever recorded. Yeah. Right. I'm competing with everything that's ever been made. The Godfather. Yeah. Can I beat... Is this better than the Godfather apocalypse now? Yep. He yep Anything all of it and every comedy special every one Norm yep and OJ and Beatrice yeah, everything yep all the old stuff all the new stuff everything all together Yep, it's an insane time for your attention [18:01] Like yeah, just try to captivate people's attention now. It's an insane proposition. There's just so much available. Are you? I mean, what's funny is you kind of, it's not even the tortoise in the hair, you just haven't changed. You're just like, I don't know, I just talk for fucking three hours. Well, this is what I did in the beginning, so I just keep doing what I do. I do it because I like doing it this way. And in the beginning, like Ari was the first one. He was like, you gotta edit it. You have to edit it. No one wants to listen to three hours. I'm like, then don't listen. It's that simple. I don't care. I'm just gonna do the best thing that I can do, do it how I feel, but it works. I'm not even saying, you know it worked. But I'm saying like, do you ever think about why or do you give a shit? None of your business. I think if you think about why you'll second guess your own instincts. And that's never good. Because they've been good to me so far. I know what I'm, I just stick with me. I know what I like. And if I'm actually genuinely interested in that thing, [19:07] the subject, I think other people will as well. Like if I bring on someone who's a beekeeper, I don't think wow, there's gonna be a big episode. All I think is like, I'm interested in bees. I'm gonna talk to someone who's really interested in bees. Like tell me what, how do you do it? What's going on? What is your to you look at which episodes do you are you just firewall it none of your business? Yeah, I don't care. I don't pay attention. I mean, I know I hear I hear this one's huge this one's huge whatever I don't pay attention. I just this is what I'm interested in I want to talk to this guy I had a mush I had Paul Stammett's on yesterday. I'm a great expert amazing It's good fucking product guys got it on protocol. I know. Is that this stuff right there? Host defense. Um, all that's still a side. No, no, no, no, that's a garicon and turkey tail. That's his immune stack that he uses. There's all sorts of medicinal mushrooms that have no psychoactive effects. [20:02] And is there any of this stuff proven? Yeah, there's peer reviewed studies, random controlled trials, double blind placebo controlled styles with a garicon. Yeah, we talked about that yesterday. Yeah, he's a real scientist. So what the stuff that he does is very, very legit. And he's also very diligent in the way he sources the mushrooms, they test them, find out which ones have efficacy, which ones don't, because you can have like, he was explaining that at Garricon, they've identified he has 107 strains that he has personally, and out of those strains, they've identified at least four of them that are like the most hyper beneficial and they haven't tested them all, but those four, then that's the ones they sell. Great. Yeah, and then some of them are different from different things like some of them are better for pox viruses, where other ones are better for RNA viruses. It's very interesting. Very interesting what they've done. Good. I mean, yeah, that's, you know, this shit, it's cool. [21:03] We have lived in a time with a good amount of change. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot of change. There's a lot of change going on. For better and worse. Yeah, I don't know how much worse. There's a lot of confusion, but I think ultimately there's more information and that's always better. And there's more freedom of communication, although there's a lot of attempts at restricting from freedom of communication, although there's a lot of attempts at restricting freedom of communication, there's still more avenues of communication than there's ever been before. Which is almost always good. And we've talked about this before but the trusting that people can people can figure it out. Yeah, well they have to learn to figure it out just like people have to learn what things to eat that are poison and what things are edible. You know, like you have to learn to figure it out, just like people have to learn what things to eat that are poison and what things are edible. You know, like, you have to learn that and we have to learn that with information. We have to learn that with everything. We have to learn that with styles of communication. We have to learn that with people that are really shitty to people. People don't like that. That's not necessary. You learn that and people need to learn that. And that's how you learn it. You learn it by watching people sort of get ahead by just by being cut and they don't go so far [22:07] and the audience turns on them and then you know, recognize that some people just, you know, communicators and just calm and nice and that's better. And you could still get all the same information and still have interesting debates and conversations you don't have to be a cut. Yeah, the, the, I, because I think about, I'm not very, so I feel like you're paranoid, or not paranoid, you're skeptical of control, right? Yeah. And I, and I, and I always go, why am I not skeptical of control? Like compared to you or compared to like, I like Dave who's also very skeptical of any sort of authority or institution. And I think I was thinking I'm so glad to not be under the Catholic church anymore. That everything is better. To me like the government, I don't give a fuck. [23:00] Like I truly don't Apple, you wanna listen in? Good, I don't give a shit. You can't send me to hell. So I don't even care if you overhear me. I don't, I just, this is better than the way I grew up. Right. Even, and then I'm, but I am skeptical. It's one of those again, yeah, things where I'm skeptical of too much information chaos. You know? And it really, I'm sure this will be probably the balance of the next at least 20 years. Well, information chaos is also engineered. That's one thing to take into consideration that information chaos is not always organic and well, I agree. But, and then what about that? If, if if you know Russia China are and our enemies in quotes wink wink whatever yep like what you know if somebody if somebody's made a point that if your if a country has racial divisions anyway, and then an outside actor so, you know, [24:07] foments them, it's the country's fault for having them in the first place. And it's like, yeah, but that's kind of bullshit because like if there's a marriage that is having trouble and then someone comes in and fucks with it, that's the outside person's fault because the married people want it to be good. Do you know what I mean? America's gonna have conflict naturally outside person's fault because the married people want it to be good. Right. Like America is going to have conflict naturally. And I think it's natural to have that. And it's okay to have that and we need to figure that out. But the one outside actor comes in, I still blame the outside actor for fomenting. And that's and I feel the same way with the information stuff. Like I'm, I'm with you in terms of we do need freedom, but I still blame the outside actor for coming and creating more chaos. I think it's an unavoidable evil. If you're gonna have freedom, you're gonna have the freedom of bots. You're gonna have the freedom of people that hire people in these troll farms [25:00] where they have thousands and thousands of accounts, and they just push different narratives. And they get involved, you know, we had Ren\u00e9 de Resta on once who studied this. And one of the things that she studied, one of the things that Russia had done during the 2016 election was the creation of memes. And some of them were really funny. And there were memes that were very specifically designed to push certain narratives and make fun of certain things. And that they had made so many accounts, thousands and thousands of accounts. They had actually organized a Texas secession meeting across the street from another meeting. I know, that's it. It's so like Montepay's meeting. Yeah, they wanted these people to be fighting with each other. Yeah. and they do that online constantly There's so many times. Well, I'll see something that's contentious something that's socially Something that's like very Explosive and then I'll look in the comments and I'll see some outrageous statements and it's like a couple of letters [26:01] In a number for the the the account and I'll click on the account and I'll go into, oh, it's a fake account. How many of those are there? There's fucking hundreds of thousands, if not millions. There is an FBI analyst that did an estimation and he thinks that there's 80 percent. He thinks 80 percent of the Twitter accounts that are in circulation at least at the time were trolls. And so that would be part of the information chaos that I'm like, I'm a bit like, this is gonna be bad. It's bad now and it's probably only gonna get worse with AI and all that shit. And I don't, but I don't know what the, I don't know if we talked about this, but like if there was a governing body, you know, let's say like, over, not, let's say over all of social media sort of morality or whatever or ethics. Who would you even put on it? You can't, it can't be done. [27:02] It can't be done because the government can't be trusted because they're doing it. Right, let's say it's the people elected it do you know if there was a way to get the right get around the government it's not for instance like I who who John Stewart yeah but they would people would have access to that like John Stewart couldn't talk about china on apple so he left he left yeah it doesn't work no i'm with you i'm but that's caught that's corporate i'm saying like who are even i think the solution is more complex that the solution is no no the solution is technology ramped up to a point where lying is impossible and i think that is going to be tight you're going to be able to have opinions but lying about specific facts possible. And I think that is going to be tight. You're going to be able to have opinions, but lying about specific facts, I think is going to be far more difficult with widespread use of AI. And also when people have universal ability to translate languages instantaneously. [28:01] Right now it's a little clunky. You could read tweets and you can say translate the tweet, you can do things like that, but you don't necessarily know what the fuck is going on. When it's universal, when you're going to have instantaneous translation into that, it's going to be far more difficult to deceive people when you have instantaneous access to AI, which is as long as the AI is not biased, which we've seen AI's programmed in the Google AI, you know, founding fathers. We talked about this like eight years ago when I pitched a Robo president. And then it became if there's a row, if there's an AI president, then it's the thing that's going to be argued about is what information are we loading it? Right. Right. And what are the values that the AI has? Like, is the values for the human race? Is the values for New York City? Is the value for the country in general? Yeah. Yeah. What is the values? And what is it's imperative? Like, what is it trying to do? [29:01] Yeah. It's... But the thing is like that's rudimentary AI as AI scales up and gets far more advanced and it's going to happen very quickly. It's going to bypass all that stuff and it's going to come up with some sort of a moral ethical foundation that everybody is going to have to operate under. It's going to be very weird, Neil, and it's going to be very weird, very quickly, very quickly. I totally agree with you. Yeah. I completely agree with you. I mean, in some ways, whenever I hear about AI, I'm like, help us AI. Come and sit when they're like, it may obliterate us, I'm like, but if it doesn't, please help us AI. Please help us get out of all this garbage we've gotten ourselves into. Yeah, it could both help us in obliterate us. It's gonna be a wild ride. It's gonna be a wild ride. And it's, when do you think it'll be? Four years at the most, and four years were fucked. And four years, everything's tossed. Everything's fucked. I mean, there's so many things that are, we kinda let slide today that won't be able, [30:02] you're not gonna be able to let like congressional insider trading slide. It's gonna be a real problem. You're not gonna be able to have bills where you have a border funding bill that also has funding for Ukraine. Yeah. There's all that kind of stuff that's gonna have to go by the wayside. You think AI will prevent that? Yeah, how come? Well, because people will be able to analyze everything about every bill instantaneously. It's not gonna be as simple as you have to sit down and read a 2000 page bill. It's gonna be AI's gonna break it down, and it's also gonna break down who the people are that proposed the bill, and then also what the influences these people have in terms of who their donors are, and you're gonna get like very specific breakdowns of what all these things are, and people will be far more informed. I, my feeling on that is that people are in some ways are informed and we're all kind of powerless to change it. There's a little bit of that right now. You know what I mean? Like, Citizens United or like dark money or astroturfing or or or pork and bills or [31:03] tying things together or emergency, it's just all the shit of like, how the fuck are we supposed to even move the needle at all as people? At all. It seems impossible. The way the shit's set up. Yeah, it definitely does now. And AI doesn't seem like, oh, I don't think that i don't think the problem is a lack of understanding i think the problem is a it's the system set up so that it's the only way to get a law made is like getting a building near me you got a ten million bucks yeah there's a little bit of that going on too i mean it's uh... there's no way to run for president unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars backing it, which is just insane. It's insane. And money and politics. There's no way to run for senate. Yeah. Without a hundred. You're not a hundred. Right. You're getting a job that's 150,000 dollars a year and you're spending a hundred. People in the primary have a hundred. Yeah. Sweetie. And then that's not. Yeah, it's like, hey, Hayley that had no chance of being president had hundreds of millions dollars. [32:05] Yeah. And that's just like, oh, fourth runner up. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah, it's, it's, and I don't, and that's one of the things where like, how does AI help us? Supreme courts locked in for as long as they live fucking insane. Yeah. Until you die a star chain, like a sci-fi star chamber, until you die. Wow. That's a horrible idea. It's not even dependent upon whether or not your ideas are even, they even make sense. Like, you see, Katanji Brown Jackson, who they asked her what a woman is, and she said, I'm not a biologist. Yeah. Right, but you're a woman. Like maybe take a crack at the end. You know what's funny is because you go more right, you go to her and I'm thinking of Lito. You go, you do see whatever. Lito goes talking about one specific thing. Yeah, of course. Yes, we want a man is, I can tell you what a man is. And I'm not a biologist, he's a man. I'm a man. Yep. Yeah, so the, I do worry about, [33:10] to me, it's not even a lack of information. Sometimes it's a lack of information. I mostly think it's rigged against the people. It's rigged against the citizens to not have any say in any of the shit. It definitely is somewhat, but you also do need someone who actually understands the law to withhold the Constitution, to uphold it, and to make sure that, like, you don't pass things that do violate very core tenets of how our society is structured. What did Elito do, that was- Oh, I don't know. I just, as a liberal, I'm just like, it seems like those guys wanna like get- I'm just like it seems like those guys want to like get I'm pretty liberal. I'm just liberal. What a liberal used to be right? No, that's what I'm saying. You learn more lean more right? I learned I don't even lean more right lean more center which is right now. Yeah, it's just it's so the left is gone to So far to the left has gone so far in this strange [34:02] territory far in this strange territory, bizarre land of cult-like thinking. It's very strange. It's driven by the, it's sort of everyone's afraid of upsetting the, it's the tyranny of the minority. No one can say, hey, do we have favor? Shut the fuck up. Or we're going to lose all of this. If we make this about just your minor grievance or issue, we're gonna lose the whole thing. But it becomes about the various, you know, D.I. or transgender or whatever, all these things that are not unimportant, but they're just not the most important. And note, you're not allowed to say to someone anymore, your shit is not the most important thing. Every because of whatever the ego, many of our culture, everyone's issue is the number one issue. And it's like, no, it's a number one issue for you, [35:02] but it's not the number one issue for half of the population of the country. Well, it's also the thing is if you oppose any of these protected ideas, you get attacked. Yeah. You get attacked and labeled as the worst thing possible. Yeah. Whatever that is, it's the time. Yeah. Whenever you agree with them in 99% of other issues. Yeah. Yeah. But they because it's, they just just prioritize it's just this thing of like no this is it's like the kids playing soccer where it's just running a bunch of with this is the most important thing and it's like is this really and then you can't go the fuck are you talking about you have to go yes I honor you have to start bowing and I honor you have to do the Nancy Pelosi down on a knee with the Kende Klub it's like, no, that's an important issue. It can't be them. It might not be the most important issue. And then they go, well, then we're going to withhold our vote. Oh, really? You're a fucking child. Yeah. And you don't understand the way politics work if you're going to withhold your vote [36:00] because of one issue. Yeah. And it issue. And it happens, and it's just, and it's also a revolving thing of like, we're gonna withhold because of Israel, we're gonna withhold because of transgender, we're gonna withhold because of DEI, we're gonna withhold, uh, on and on and on and on and on and it's as someone who is on their side, it's a bit like, oh please shut the fuck up. Yeah, because you're gonna blow this for all of us. Each party becomes captured by the most extreme versions of it. Yeah, you look at the right the right gets captured by You know what people think of the right the thing like proud boys or something like that Yeah, or guns just got yeah the left they think of it or now abortion. Yeah, yeah It's always something. Yeah There's always something that's ridiculous and And then it turns out that the Republican stats on abortion are like 55% of Republicans think abortion should be like, you know what I mean? And it's like, well then how the fuck did they, because it's almost like they did, it's they always say about Republicans, they're like the dog who caught the car. [37:00] They use abortion as a driving issue, thinking like it'll never happen. You know, like they they they use Abortion as a you know driving issue thinking like it'll never happen and then they it happened They're like oh fuck yeah, okay. I guess it I guess Arizona goes okay We're going back to 1864 or whatever. It's a law from the 1800s that they upheld two days ago Well, it's always interesting how ignorant people are about the rest of the world too. Like, I'm going to Europe where women have the right to choose. Well, go to France because they have a limitation there too. It's like, I think it's a nice- Well, no, no one ever looks it up. Also, try to get a, try to get a citizenship. How are you gonna do that? How you gonna do it? Look it up once, but they haven't looked it up. I've been doing a joke about how American women are like American men are the worst. And I'm like, who do you think's coming? Who do you think's coming? Italian guys, first of all, they're bringing their moms. That's a, and B, you're gonna have to start cooking dinner at 2.15 every afternoon. I hope you're happy. Well, that's the least of your words. Sharia law. I mean, that's the ultimate punchline. It's like, Middle Eastern guys, I'm not even going to finish this joke because it's, they don't have the best sense of humor about, about [38:10] there. Yeah, but if you look up like, look up general mutilation. Yeah. It's really grim. Yeah. Uh, in terms of the, what these other guys are out here doing, ladies, not like us American hero men. No, but it is, it really is like a pretty, people don't look it up. They just, they like sulking. Yeah, but also there's so many issues that most people are just not informed. They just know what their side goes with. And so they adhere to whatever the, whatever the doctrine is. I was, I remember looking up abortion laws worldwide four or five years ago, me like, oh, it wasn't as blanket as I thought. Well, Burr had the best bit on that. I think you should have the right to choose, but I also think you can't let a baby. Yeah, yeah. I mean, at a certain point in time, it is a baby. So the question is, who gets to decide? [39:02] Right, that's the whole thing of when, because I did a joke, liberals have to support everybody, not fetuses, and the New York Times wrote me up, like I just saw Neil Bernando do it, sort of anti-abortion joke, and it was like joining Bill Burr and George Carlin, and I was like, are you trying to insult me? Because thank you for that fucking barbed insult. But yeah, like the, even knowing when, even if you go, no, I believe it doesn't start, it's all sort of, ah, scientists like the heartbeat or the fetal, whatever. It's all a bit like, you're all guessing. And I will also, I'll admit, I'm guessing. It's just which guess suits my needs? Do you know what I mean? Like, if I'm, if I got a girl that I'm not trying to be with [40:01] who's, who's, who's pregnant, who's period's late. I'm like, I believe in abortion to the fifth trimester. Like I believe in it late. Whereas if I'm, you know, not, if I'm 65 and can't get somebody or whatever, probably can't get someone. 65 or whatever. Whenever age, there is no age of a- Al Pacino just had a kid. Al Pacino's eight years old. How I know, fuck. Eight There is no age of a how between it was just that a kid Alpachinos Fuck 80 years old. Yeah, and he also wanted to make sure the kid was his which is like a great way to start Somebody I know was doing pickup at school with with De Niro Like recently it was just like yeah, I can't believe you're still doing this Well isn't this is like I mean, how many times has he been married? These guys just, did, did, did, dive right back in? Yeah, I've never understood that. I've never understood that need. No, even Rubra Murnock just did it. Rubra Murnock just got engaged. I think they're just comfortable with having a partner and they just don't want to exist in this weird state where they're texting people and calling people, especially when you're in your 70s. You sure know hook up. [41:07] Don't get me wrong, it's humiliating. Right, I bet if you're a 70 year old famous guy and you get divorced, I bet it's probably pretty easy to find someone new who plays the role and probably pretty easy to get duped. Pretty easy. Yeah, cause they know, for like the time as I might, if I'm the girl, my time, I just gotta ride this baby out. Yeah, all you have to do is just be the right person that this guy needs for a small amount of time. And you don't have to work ever again. Ever again. Ever, like if you're a person who's running around there scratching out 60, 70 grand a year and barely getting by and then you hook up with them. And you know to change your life you just have to need to you need to stand and Robert De Niro's eye line. Yeah. With what my friend calls available sexual energy. Yeah. Available sexual energy and just be nice. Just be nice to them. Yeah. So it needs just talk to them. You're candy striping. Yeah, you just don't you don't have to work hard So don't be offensive don't be rude. Yeah, don't don't fuck with them. Don't insult them [42:09] Don't play the same games you'd play with a 30 year old guy that doesn't have any money. Nope play play a different game If he doesn't text you back it's cuz he doesn't know how to text sweetie cuz he's a fucking old dude Or he can't doesn't have his glasses. Yeah, see what you wrote. A lot of this. Yep. That's the sad part about BNRH. Anytime I go look at this meme, all my friends have to put glasses on and start holding. Exactly. Christ fucking humiliation. You can mitigate some of that. There's a there's there's certain vitamins that you could take that stop macular degeneration. Pure encapsulations has a macular support formula. But doesn't work. Yeah, it stopped it. Stopped it for me. For you? Yeah, totally stopped it. Totally stopped it. You were like, do you wear glasses? Contents. Yeah, I wear glasses when I write. You know, I wear reading glasses when I write, but I can look at my phone, no problem, I could read websites, no phone. Did it get better or just stop? I got a little better. Yeah. [43:05] Little better with red light too. Red light therapy. You have a red light bed that I lay in. And that do you, are your eyes open? Yeah. Yeah, keep your eyes open. And you're laying in a bed. Yeah, it's just staring at red lights, just chilling. Usually I just listen to books. Yeah, I would like to do that because it gets worse. It just gets it's such a bummer. Are he got surgery? He got lasex on his eyes and then his eyes got worse after the surgery. They got better. That can happen sometimes, right? Well, you have the natural course of macular degeneration that takes places you age. So his eyes were great at first like this great don't have to work glasses anymore and then then a couple of years later, five, six, seven years later, starts getting really shitty again. And it's just, yeah, that's just... Yeah, I think that happened to Bill Marr, too. It got more. He couldn't, he kept getting lacic. I, maybe I'm remembering this wrong. And then at a certain point, they're like, we can't l LASIK you and you just have to work the lessons. That's scary getting more and more eye surgeries is fucking terrifying. [44:07] Yeah, that's probably the one that makes you wince the most. Because those videos... It doesn't go well every time. Like there's certain times where people get infections or it just doesn't heal my eyes. Or you just... Your eyes are fucked. Right. You have a halo around lights and shit. Oh yeah, I have a friend who can't drive at night. He got Lasix and now he can't drive at night. I think I would murder the doctor if that happened to me. He was so upset because he's like, I could have driven at night and just worn glasses when I had to read things. He goes, now I can't drive at night. Cause if he headlights see him, it's's like he's blinded by halos. He can't see around the circle. Like, he doesn't know where the car is, where the headlight is. He just sees this circle of light that surrounds things, like headlights and street lights. It's just terrible. Yeah, I don't, that would make me feel so sorry for myself. Mm-hmm. If I went for surgery and was like worse off. [45:07] Yeah, that's a problem with some surgeries. And the problem with surgeons is that, you know, when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Mm-hmm. And, you know, that's the only solution. I mean, yeah, that's most, you know. I've had a bunch of surgeries that I avoided where the doctors are like, you're gonna need surgery. And I was like, are you fucking sure? Like are you sure? Nice shoulders. Yeah, shoulders is the big one. Yeah, I wound up getting stem cells. In my back, I had bulging discs, and they're like, you gotta get that trimmed. And I was like, are you sure? That's the only way to do it? It's not the only cells, fixed it. I haven't zero problems. Yeah, zero problems with my neck, zero problems with my shoulder. I had a full length rotator cuff tear in my shoulder and they were like, you're gonna need surgery, 100%. And I went back to the doctor six months later, and it's like, this is fucking crazy. Like that tear doesn't exist anymore. It's because stem cells. [46:00] Yeah. And direct into it. Yeah. Yeah. And all was it, did you have to go far? Did it, was it just like local? I did, well, I did in Vegas and I did in LA. I did it several times. I think I did three injections in my shoulder. And then six months later, I got another MRI. And they're like, you don't have a tear anymore. The doctor was blown away. Because this was all you know we're talking about uh... i think my injury was like two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen somewhere on the and so this is all fairly recent in terms of like the amount of was the kind of results they were getting and this doctor i'd ever seen anything like it was blown away he'd been north of the exertion for twenty years did you have to do anything did you have to rehab it i did read i did regular rehab like once once I got the surgery, I did a lot of things. But you're trying to bring back, what do you bring it? You're bringing, generating tissue. You're regenerating tissue. You can rehab to help you with that? Or is that just a symptom? Yeah, it's strengthens it. I think the rehab with this, that the key is it's like not injuring and then you're in this repetitive cycle. [47:06] But if you can avoid that, like my friend Shane Dorian is a big wave surfer and he got serious stem cells down in Tijuana where they could do wild shit. And he got his entire back done so they put him under and they do every disc in his back. And they're like, you can't do anything. Like you can only walk for like a couple of months. Like that's all you could do. And for a guy like him, who's a world champion surfer and he's an athlete and he's always exercising, he's always doing something that was crazy to just not, all you could do is walk. But now he feels fucking incredible. And it's just months later. And he has the back of a 20, his old back. Well, it's definitely a lot better than it used to be. Yeah. You know, and that's the key to these things. And if you were allowed to do those in America, like you're allowed to do those overseas, I think you'd see remarkable improvements. But the problem is then you have orthopedic surgeons who don't want this to happen. And they'll try to tell you not to do it because if more people do it, they start telling more people do it, people are gonna avoid surgeries, and they're gonna be out of a job. There's one of these, and Jimmy, if you bring this up, [48:07] there's a film that they can put on teeth that will basically just prevent cavities forever. Really? Yeah, I thought like three weeks ago, there's like a microscopic film invisible. You like, they kind of paint it on, they want to do it on kids, like low-income kids, and it will, again, maybe I miss Reddit. Jamie, if you look it up. Wow. I haven't heard of that. No, it's a new thing, but there are, and I'm not even, I mean, I am conspiracy minded in terms of like, yeah, people will try to prevent that. But I wonder which ones they'll let through. Well, if there's money in painting people's kids with that stuff, they might let it through. The scariest one is fluoride. The fluoride in the water thing is bananas because they're like, oh, it prevents tooth decay. It also fucking causes a drop in IQ. [49:01] That's absolutely measurable. If you could see the difference between the amount of fluoride in a water and the drop in IQs in that area, there's a direct correlation. But it's in like a lot of countries. Fluoride is a weird one, man, because there's a lot of like very credible scientists that would point to the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxin. It's not good for you at all. And they're like, oh yeah, but in small doses. But fucking says who? Says who? And for what purpose? The way I pointed out, it's like, if say if someone gets skin cancer and you say, oh, okay, well, we're gonna put sunscreen and all the apples. Well, hey, hold the fuck on. How about just brush your fucking teeth? Why do you have to put that shit in the water? So every time I cook spaghetti, I have fluoride in my fucking spaghetti. Like what are we doing? Like, oh yeah. I mean, I don't, I'm carrying, because I look this up recently, because what I've heard is the amount of fluoride that makes it toxic is like just a huge amount. It's like the dog eating chocolate thing. They're look up how much chocolate a dog has to eat to kill it. Yeah, it's like a half its body weight or something. It's like it's a huge amount and I what I remember is that in order for Florida to be toxic it's [50:11] got to be a major amount. Right, but there's a correlation between high levels of fluoride and water and low IQs. There's we don't really know and it's developmental cycle of a child that you're interfering with. So if you take children and you give them this neurotoxin and you have it in the water to prevent them from getting cavities, and you literally lower their IQ, which seems possible. Yeah, I don't know how they came to the decision. I don't know how they came to the decision. I'm thinking reason to do it. There's no reason to do it. It's stupid. Cavity fighting liquid prevents 80% of cavities. Finds largest US study, new treatment uses silver, diamine, fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities. These cavities should have never brought it. Well, it's a strict thing, though. You're not covering well. It stuck in your mouth, though, I think. You're not drinking it. What's it saying? [51:02] Dental cavities are distressing sensation that if left untreated can result in terrifying pain, swelling and relentless night, restless nights. Team of researchers of New York University identified a cavity fighting solution that is both effective and affordable, new treatment uses silver, diamond, fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities and even shields the existing ones from getting worse. So that doesn't really prevent you from getting cavities. It's like stops cavities. Did it just say it's prevent cavities? It shields those? Well, it says it. And it expensive liquid that prevents cavities. But it does it cover the teeth and prevents future cavities? I believe, I believe maybe in the next paragraph we'll see that. It's quicker to apply less expensive than sealants. So it seems like they're doing it on cavities prevent and arrest cavities reducing the need for drilling and filling So they can prevent cavities on people that don't have cavities and then they can fill the cavities with this stuff and prevent them from getting worse dental cavities are prevalent concerns and as these control But doesn't just brushing your fucking teeth prevent cavities. Yeah, yes [52:05] No, I I have I have an out of cavities? Yeah, yes. I don't know how to say. No, I have. I haven't had cavities since I was a little kid. I just brushed my teeth. Thank you, fluoride. I don't think it's fluoride. Tonight's episode, the Joe Rogue. I don't know, fluoride in my home. Is that true? Yeah, I try to avoid fluoride wherever possible. I just you live with I mean, but the first half of your life was all with you riddled with flora I'm sure I got it until a couple until you move here. Flora. I do. No. Yeah, even when I live in LA No, I never drink. Oh, you did you had your own well or you have your own water on the tap Never it's fucking terrible for you. It smells bad. It smells like chemicals and even if it it's like mostly okay, it's like why are you doing that to yourself? Like if you ever like seen any of this studies on fluoride and there's some things that you've been saying. The ones I saw were just like, it's pretty minor. The ones I've seen. It's not necessarily minor. It's poison and it's not necessary. There's no reason for it. And it seems like there's a lot of money tied into fluoridating drinking water. Look up countries that fluorinate, they're fluoridized. [53:07] Fluorified. Fluorified. They're water. Cause it's, I looked it up. Yeah, I looked it up. So if we all have bad IQs, it's fine. Did you watch the Sinanon thing? The one thing. There's a HBO documentary about this. It's really, you'll really like it. It's like, it's called synonym. It was like a group. It was a bit of a cult. And then they, it started out as like kind of a self help as like a 12 step fellowship. It's the classic. Then it became a cult, then the leader goes crazy. I'm on it, it's only, I was a dude, but it really a cult then the the leader goes crazy. I'm on it. It's only I was a dude but it really doesn't follow like the the thing of like every cult at some point the leader goes hey I spoke to God and he needs me to fuck all your wives Sorry guys. Yeah, what is it about? It's also it's a old cult is from the 70s. Yeah the cold age [54:04] The late started in the 60s winning went into the 70s, starts in black and white. Yeah, it's on HBO Max, whatever. Everyone shapes their heads. It's fucking right up your alley. Like it's, yeah, there's the guy. Yeah, let me have an audio of him screaming at them. An attack against hit and on was attacking against. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's the fucking custom made for you. That's beautiful. I've literally never heard of it. It just came out last week. Um, oh, I have a thing in my in my new Netflix about where I'm talking about you. I'm talking about I'm talking about the outsize role that, you know, because corporation, corporate leaders have been, are basically a piece of shit, politicians to a piece of shit, clergy, e-moms, pastors to a piece of shit. Now somehow it's all become like, well, what do the clowns think? [55:03] Now it's up to the, now it's up to comedians to be the moral arbiters. And it's you, Dave. I mentioned Ellen. I mentioned Kevin Hart. I mentioned just all these people that's like, why are you guys consider? I mean, I know why because it's just everyone else couldn't do it. And comedians have opinions. And like, Carlin was moral sometimes. John Stuart is moral, you know, but it's one of these things. It's like, it shouldn't be up to us guys. Right. We're like, we shouldn't be the backstop. We shouldn't be the moral backbone of America. We're one of the rare groups of people that are allowed to speak freely. Yeah. And that's what it is. It's like, we're the ones, as long as we could find an angle where it's funny. Well, that's the thing is people are mad. It's like on here, people get mad at you for not [56:01] being reading the talking points of the National Institute of Health. You know what I mean? Like what do I never understand what people want you to be? Like what do you or walk me through this? Where Joe says everything you want him to say. It's not possible. It's also not it's not a show anymore. Right, but you also you can't make everyone happy. It's impossible. Yeah. And if you try to operate in this world where you're trying to make everyone happy. It's impossible. And if you try to operate in this world where you're trying to make people happy versus just trying to be honest, you're fucked. You're fucked. You're fucked from the jump. There's no way to do that. It's not possible. You won't be you anymore. You will be compromised. Yeah. I mean, I feel that about so many things. I feel that about reading comments. I don't think you should read comments. I don't, I think that it's been a detriment to certainly like public comment, or whatever we do, whatever like public speaking, to, because it really does kind of, [57:02] you think about like, what are they gonna, what's the worst thing you could possibly say about what I'm thinking of saying? Right. And it's a bad way to approach things. It's also people that are deeply dishonest. Of course. And deeply unhappy and deeply, yeah. Like they did with your joke about abortion. Like, oh, he's just a grifter, it's a pro-abortion grifter, trying to get that right-wing money instead of just trying to make a point. But everyone's trapped. They're trapped in these ideological bubbles and they don't know what to do. And it's if you keep reading the comments on that bubble, you will stay trapped. You will stay trapped. You're fucked. You have to be able to think freely and express yourself freely. And you can be wrong. And if you're wrong, you have to be able to admit you're wrong and you have to be able to say why you're wrong and why you thought this and why you think differently now and that's just a function of being an honest human being and it's possible to do but god damn that is a white water rafting trip that is fucking filled with rocks. Yeah. There's like there's bears catching sand on your phone. It's crazy. Scrape your fucking back. [58:06] Yeah. It's scary. It's scary. How do you, do you monitor yourself at all? Do you know what I mean? Do you have you gone like, this is getting pretty. This is getting pretty, this megaphone's getting pretty big. You're having a higher, a lot of security at your live shows. You know what I mean? I'm assuming the venues are getting bigger. There's just more. Does it ever go? I mean, it's got to be validating for you as a person. You got to be like, oh, I must have done some shit right. And then does it make you police yourself? Do you go like, let me really try to be? I think it makes you, you definitely have to be more clear with what you think and why you think it. Instead of just shooting off the cuff, [59:00] which I definitely used to do a lot when I was younger, I'd have an idea in my head and I'd just run with it and then I'd try to defend that idea. But even the fluoride thing, right? Yeah. What we just talked about. That's the same conversation we would have had 10 years ago. Sure. Yeah. Does it, do you now think of how, do you go, I have to know what studies are, what? And if that's a true and it's been replicated, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, or is it still kind of the same? Like, yeah, I think I read that. The same thing we all do generally, which is like, yeah, I read that, or I heard that, or whatever. Well, it's been a while, but I have read multiple studies. No, yeah, but I'm saying to multiple experts. Yeah. If I didn't, I would say I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But fluoride is not healthy. It's not a good thing to take. But I'm saying it's one of your pros. That's one of those ones where I can just say that. But then there's other things where it's like vegan diet. I know people to do it. I know people that are pulled it off. It's possible to do it if you supplement carefully and you're a smart guy. [1:00:07] You know what to eat and what not to eat. And I can get my blood tested and get a guy and you tell him, yeah, you have money, you can do all the things you do to make sure that you're okay. It absolutely can be done. I know people that eat a vegan diet. And I also think there's biodiversity. There's some people, their ancestry is very different, their genetics are very different, and their much more vegan diet is more tolerable for them. Like Indian people, Indian people have been eating vegetarian food for so fucking long. You know, I would imagine that their body, their genes, have adapted if they've come from a long line of vegetarians. Yeah, like they're kind of stuck with're like, they're kind of stuck with vegetable. And they're kind of stuck with- Maybe it would be beneficial for them to supplement. Or they figured it out. They have it. Their body has figured, whatever it was deficient in, it's figured out a way around it by what was available to them. Right. But when we look at countries that consume more meat. They're healthier and they live longer. Hong Kong is a great example of that. So there's some great studies that have been done on Hong Kong. [1:01:09] They have one of the highest meat consumptions in higher life expectancies. Yeah, and then that's also like blue zone. How long have they been doing it? Yeah, and the blue zone and the like a little bit of protein. Yeah, it's, I guess what you're saying is the acknowledgement that like, shit's complicated and there's no one right or wrong answer. There's also things like healthy user bias. Like the most important thing that pretty much most of the objective doctors will say, the most important thing is physical activity. And then if you are not physically active and you eat well, you're almost better off smoking cigarettes and being physically active. Yeah. Then doing that. By the way, this is always fascinating to me because I've been asking people, do you know what percentage of people die? Smokers die of lung cancer? What percentage? 10 to 15%. That's crazy. Isn't that low? [1:02:00] That's crazy. Wouldn't you think it's like 60? That's crazy. It's 10 to... And I've looked it up repeatedly like, am I misreading this? The amount of smokers that die of lung cancer is 10 to 15%. But do they die of other stuff? Well, yeah, of course, chroma, rididies, et cetera, et cetera. But like, smoking just in general, like you're limiting your oxygen intake. There's a lot of factors. Yeah, but it's not as bad as you don't. Right. You know what I mean? This one doctor that I was talking to that was very adamant about that. He goes physical activity. If you don't have physical activity, you might as well be a drinker and a smoker. Yeah. You're fucked. And then there's also the loneliness thing. Oh, man. It's a big factor. What percentage of folks studies found the risk of developing lung cancer increases to 14% if you smoke cigarettes. If you smoke one to five cigarettes per day, your risk is around 7.7%. And if you smoke more than 35 cigarettes a day, you have a 26% chance of developing. Well, that's a lot. That's all 35 cigarettes. By 80. Yeah, I know. It's like all the life time of smoking 35. what is that a pack in a half? Yeah almost to yeah is to tap packs 40. Yeah, Atlanta [1:03:11] Wow 26% still a 4 yeah, it's like your which by the way is the exact same number of FDA drugs that get pulled 25% of all FDA approved drugs get pulled because they've killed too many people. Right. Oh, fuck. We didn't test it good enough. Yeah. Whoopsies. We believe this pharmaceutical drug companies. Yeah. That was the weird one for me during the pandemic was the trust in the pharmaceutical drug companies. And especially when I started talking to experts that actually spent their living, litigating, financial settlements for adverse effects of drugs. You find out that scientists, when you hear about peer-reviewed data, they're not even allowed to see the actual data. They see the analysis of the data by the pharmaceutical drug companies that performed the studies. I'm up to minds about this because on the one hand, I agree with you and I've had similar [1:04:04] experiences. I'm up to my eyes about this because on the one hand I agree with you and I've had similar experiences and on the other hand I'm like, people I don't fucking have time to do the research on all of these things myself and I have a lot of time. Like do you know what I mean? I don't, I don't, they are, everything's fucking corrupt. And it's so aggravating and so like Predictible because just human beings and they're just gonna be corrupt and you just have to hope that the thing that you're The pill you're taking wasn't a victim of the corruption or the operation or even the stem set or whatever you do You just have to hope it wasn't a victim of humanity and you just have to hope it wasn't a victim of humanity. And so I'm with you, because I've heard shit about, in fact, I've learned you can test for anything. You know, I've heard the statistician say, you can make anything, you can crunch numbers, anyway you want to get to what you need. [1:05:01] Well, they certainly have done that, you know, and that's the big viox scandal. that in the emails when they released viox they literally said which was vioxes and anti-inflammatory that they use that is no better than non-stortal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen and it's killed somewhere in the neighborhood of sixty thousand americans for it was pulled well there was that other one the ibupro not that other one, the one the anti-histamine that wasn't anything. What's that one? The suit of Fed one. The one that was like a month and a half ago, most cough medicine wasn't medicine. What? Look at it. It was, I assumed you just did, you did like an emergency episode about this. I'm sorry. I'm sorry of it. No, look it, I don't even know what to look up. Cough medicine. Is it medicine? At fraud. Yeah. Look up cough medicine, isn't medicine. It was fucking insane. Ugh. And but again, I have, my kid has a cold. Right. Right. So my kid's literally, it's stuffed up this very second. I'm a parent, the fuck am I supposed to do? [1:06:06] Right, you get medicine. This is a medicine, is that the store, cough medicine? Got it. I got cough medicine for it. Got it, got it, got it. I'm a good parent. This should knock it out. And it turns out it's just a bunch of garbage. What is it Jamie? Do you find anything? Yeah, I got I'm trying to dig through I got conflicting information real quick So this is what happens. Yeah, yeah, this is for pharmaceutical drug companies like little trolls A bunch of fake studies or her shit's complicated. Yeah shit is definitely complicated But there's also a lot of fun. No, I know that's the issue. It's with all this stuff It's like shit's complicated and people are corrupt and people try to thwart information and bad information rises and there's enough It's just it's it's spider meme. Yeah, it's just everything's fucking Incredibly complex. Oh, Jay was dead for about an hour before I saw people connecting to the vaccine Oh, Jay was telling people to get vaccinated. Well, maybe maybe maybe this guy who murdered his fucking wife and her boyfriend, maybe he was racked with guilt [1:07:09] his entire life and lived in a constant state of anxiety. And everywhere he went, people yelled at him and called him a murderer. And maybe he didn't sleep good. And he, by the way, still made it to 76. Right, which is like, I think two years, older than most people die. I think the average age is like 72, 74. Like what's the average American male life expectancy, Jamie? It's his guess. I'd say 72. I want to say 72. Well, black man is way lower. And fucking football players is probably 58. Right. Good point. Good point. But which is interesting too, because one of the things that his one of his attorney said that if ct the information was available today like it was in ninety four they would have used that in his defense right okay which is kind of crazy but that well it doesn't get them to see if he found more innocent seventy six so seventy six years so he hit the number [1:08:01] i don't care if he was just Oh, Chase landed exactly on the average American number. I found. So the FDA press release says this. Yeah, this is what. The FDA advisor declares ineffectiveness of widely used over-the-counter decongestant active ingredient. The active ingredient in decongestance was nothing. Popular over-the-counter medicines for colds and allergies don't work. FDA panel said, and that's Sudafed. What it really is, is it took, I get it's like this ingredient in there. Sudafed, Benadryl and most decongestants don't work. Wow, the over-the-counting has to mean, any has to mean Benadryl is not being pulled from the pharmacy shelf. So misleading headlines it says. despite miscellaneous headlines such as suit-a-fed benedrial and most e-conjusses don't work they're not being pulled from pharmacy shows a fda uh... food and drug administration advisory committee voted sixteen to zero and two state the current scientific data does not support the use of [1:09:00] active ingredient phenyl pre-penile lefreen uh... in over-the-counter products such as benedrial allergy plus of active ingredient, phenyl, phenelephrine, and over the count of products, such as Benadryl, algae, plus congestion. This does not however pertain to antihistamines, such as Benadryl, which contain the active ingredient, dive phenhydramine. Yeah, this is already confused. You don't even mean like, I'm already like, wait, what? They're probably munking around with the stuff just to try to get it a little less scammy. Yes, it's a nasal decongestant. Okay, brand names, the medications include phenolepherene such as Benadryl have other products with distinct active ingredients. So there's one ingredient that doesn't work. Okay, the FDA, the FDA, voted on the question of whether or not the evidence support the use of the active How's that word moiety moiety moiety phenyl effrene as an effective nasal de-condressed in the panic panel concluded that products which include phenyl effrene are not effective against nasal congestion though they were not deemed unsafe, but they don't work [1:10:04] So that's parts of them work. One of the ingredients doesn't is nothing. But it says that the products that include phenolephyrene are not effective against nasal congestion. They were not deemed unsafe. That still says it doesn't work. Yeah, there might be other ingredients that do work. But they might not work either. We'll have to wait and see. It still says it doesn't work. Yeah, there might be other ingredients that do work. But say, right now working, there will have to wait and see. Though the FDA is not bound to the committee's recommendations, why should it be? It's only science. Very likely the agency will follow its advice. In turn, this may lead to pharmacies pulling products containing oral, finesselline, phenel-free, phenel-free, phenel-free, at least until acceptably reformulated versions are offered. There are branded products that include names, pseudofed and benedrial that do work as nasal de-congestants. They contain the active ingredient, pseudoephrine, pseudoephedrine. [1:11:01] Ephedrine. Yeah, pseudoephedrine. But because the dangerous elicit substance, Effadrine. Effadrine. Yeah. Sudo-effadrine. Yeah. But because the dangerous illicit substance methamphetamine can be made in illegal laboratories with pseudo-effadrine, these products were placed behind the counter years ago in 2005 Congress passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act, which required pharmacies and other retail stores to maintain purchase laws. Yeah, you got to show your driver's license. I remember I bought some of that stuff once and I was like, what, what do I have to do? Yeah. And they were like, yeah, people can make meth with this. I'm like, you know who I am? I'm never gonna stop talking about that. I'm like, how much meth can you make? Of what are these things? Is it enough? They would do they would go from pharmacy to pharmacy. I just get boxes and bags Yeah, and then cook it up Just like just wow Get an aural yeah, or yeah exactly prescribed that to you just well yeah, it's how run it we're running short Apparently we are right yeah, we're running short an aural. Uh-huh. Yeah, so no, it's interesting to see [1:12:06] You know you and people we've known so long being held up as like, you know, when it's like, what was the thing you, Fitzimmons helped you steal back a car radio or something? Huh? Didn't Fitzimmons when you were roommates? You guys, are you dated his roommate? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I jumped a fence because my car got towed and they had my radio in it. I jumped a fence to get my radio. So that's the joke being Fittimita, whenever there's a headline like White House concern with Joe Rogan, we're like, I bet this is about the radio, right? I'm jumping the fence to steal that car radio in 1990. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's like it's funny. He was like, what do you do it? I'm like, I'm gonna hop this fence. You get my fucking radio. Yeah, and he helped, he was he aided and I bet it. But it is like, hey, who should, I don't know. Maybe you and Dave are as good as it. I don't fucking know You know, everybody should be able to discuss things. Yeah. [1:13:05] The problem is I can discuss things in millions of people here. That's the problem. And do you ever... Yeah, that's what I guess I'm wondering, does it... I think you're right to not pay attention. But it does a party go like, should I be paying more attention to this? Should I be more concerned about being a news outlet or whatever? Fuck your fucking... I'm very careful about certain things and I'm very careful that I At least now I know what I'm talking about or I say I don't know what I'm talking about yeah like be clear and then also You know if you know something and you don't say it and that thing can benefit people or they can inform their decision making. You should say it. It's important, especially if you know things. If you absolutely know something to be a fact, like say it, and especially if you realize there's like immense pressure from these financial institutions [1:14:01] or pharmaceutical drug companies or whatever it is, to not say that thing because it's gonna Do you ever feel squeezed not squeezed but do ever people ever do you ever feel people floating Information like oh Jimmy float that baby up on conversations with people where I'm like this person's feeding me bullshit Yeah, definitely. Yeah It's like you have to learn how to like navigate those waters like I definitely think people have probably been Angled to come on the show to feed me bullshit or are feeding me bullshit once they get on the show Yeah, definitely and you know you have to kind of make a decision then like dude. Do I even air this? And you know, you have to kind of make a decision then like do I even air this? Do I not air this? Do I do I how do I dance around this like this seems like we should pause this and actually research it before we go any further So I feel like I'm being fucked with yeah, yeah, yeah, and it is it is There is it's the new institution news media institutional news [1:15:03] Institution news media, institutional news, legacy media or whatever. It's another one of those like 77-year-old women who still think they're fine. It's like you can't fucking lot. If you pretend you have an monopoly on the truth, you know what you have to only say is the truth. It can't be, obviously there's biases, whatever human biases everywhere and institutional biases, whatever human biases are everywhere and institutional biases, but some of these people are so cl-lazy. Well, it's just like you were saying with a 75 year old woman that still thinks she's hot. Like, the news still thinks that people believe them, you know? And I counted that when they were saying that I was taking horse medication. Yeah. You mean the horse medication that won the Nobel Prize for being as an anti-malarial? That one, like four years ago, four years before, and now it's for horses? Well, everything's for horses. Well, yeah, everything's a horse medication. If the horse is sick enough, grass is if it's fucking everything. If the horse eats it. [1:16:01] They're so dumb that they thought that they could do that. Which is absolutely wild. But that just shows you the arrogance of those organizations. They're so full of shit and so captured by money that they're willing to lie. Not just lie, but lie with the same lie across multiple platforms. They're doing it specifically because they're being told to do that. They're just hammering credibility for nothing. For what? For nothing. For one thing that is, it's gonna last for a year or so until people realize what the fuck is going on and now you're doomed. And now everyone's gonna go, yeah, but they lied about that. What do they say about Iran? What do they say about Syria? What do they say about this? A nuclear energy? What do they say about pollution? Well, what's funny is it is super, it complicates things. That is like what are they saying about Israel? Like the, Gossin Israel feels like the, [1:17:00] it's like the most modern, in 20 years ago, this would have been like open and shut. In 20 years ago, this would have been like open and shut. 20 years ago it would have been 9-11. Right? They did this, we're going in, and anything we do is justifiable. And now they did this, we're going in, and they're going with the 77-year-old former fine woman, and they're doing shit thinking that they can get away with it. And now it's like, ah, now everyone's watching. All the shit that that slowly leaked and came out, I would agree with all the sort of severe violations. Now it's all happening on the daily. And it makes things, it's's so Everything's so complicated. It's so complicated One of the interesting things about the Israel thing was that You know, Hamas attacks on October 7th and within days there's pro-Hamas rallies So before Israel is even retaliated Doug. It's more just talked about this a lot [1:18:01] That was the most insane Yeah, I think that is one of those things where I am very inclined to think that that is fueled by foreign actors. I'm very inclined to think that TikTok algorithms and bots and all these different things fed a lot of these hyperwoke kids into taking this contrarian stance against the popular narrative that Israel was just attacked. And so, you know, Israel is an oppressor and look at the dundepalstein, it justifies it and what else can they do? And like, what else can they do? Besides, go door to door and rape and murder people? Is that really what we're saying? Yeah. Like, that you should cheer them? I know. And that's, and then, and then they Israel does shit all the time. They're like, fuck, don't do that. Exactly. Exactly. But at the same time, I'm like, I'm not, yeah, it's like. Oh, imagine living there though. Imagine living either in Israel or Palestine and trying to find a solution to that. Good. It's you, once you look it up, [1:19:01] once you start researching it, you just go, fucking, this is not, I don't think I can figure this baby out. This is a video game that you just tossed the controller. Yeah. Yeah. That fucking, I'm not, this, this, I don't even like this kind of game. And I was reading today that there's, there's state departments warning that Iran is planning attacks on Israel. Oh my God. Oh my God, what are you doing? And do you have nukes? Do they have nukes yet? I know they've been working on a nuclear program forever. What if they're the first person to use it and they use it on Jerusalem? Jesus Christ. Uh huh. Jesus Christ. Yeah. But people think that they have, they know what it should be and it's like do you get anxiety thinking about like world events ever? Yeah, I I get it less so Less so in that which we can talk about a little bit, but but less so just in terms of my own personal development, but it's [1:20:02] um If I had kids I would really really worry about it. I don't, yeah, I have, I'm involved with a woman who has a kid, so it's like, you know, it's growing. My, my sort of paternalism, but yeah, I don't, I don't, it's a, it's pretty, this is a pretty rough time. It's a weird time. It's a really weird time, but I think every time is a weird time. In the 1960s during the Vietnam War, people were terrified of the future. And people didn't run out. I remember during George Floyd, Chris Rockos, this is every week in the 60s. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, both got a session. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy. Uh-huh, real quickly. Yeah, over a course of a few years. Yeah, I think it's just, we developed societal amnesia and we try to remember the past as some sort of utopian time. You know, but then if you like look at the documentaries about the weather underground and like there's always been like [1:21:02] wild shit happening in this country. Yeah. It's, but it's also been like, wild shit happening in this country. Yeah. But it's also back then, wild shit, you really only heard about through the large corporate media. I know, that's the funny thing. It's now it's like we're getting, you don't need to leak Abu Ghraib, you don't need to leak, get mo photos. You know, it's all coming out that afternoon. Right. And then now there's the rise of independent journalism You know the Glenn Greenwald's Matt Taiyubi's people that you can actually trust Michael Shellenberger people that are like on this street like telling and they're not attached to any large corporate media outlet and That's very important because now you get a if you're willing to do the work and willing to read what they're saying You get a much more balanced nuanced perspective on what the factors are and what all these different contributing factors that are so hard to sort out with everything like if you try to pay attention to what's happening Brazil right now you're like oh my god what the [1:22:00] fuck if you try to pay attention to what's happening in any other foreign country? Anywhere. Anywhere. Literally like Canada. A shit that should be like, used to be like a gimme. Like how can it be a fucking fine and then you go like, what the fuck? Yeah. Mexico, just go, let's start at the top and go down. Finland, Denmark, and the like, if I could all, Iceland, but all of them. And then how is mass immigration, illegal immigration ubiquitous? How is it everywhere in the world, all at one point in time? How is islands in Italy getting overrun with these African immigrants that are coming over on boats? So I mean a really good observation, which is migration, it's been happening in all of human history. But not like this. Well, I don't know. Meaning. The statistics in the country, in this country, they're really easy to find. Yeah, but I'm saying probably not relative to 17. They probably didn't have like great records until pretty recently. Well, they didn't have an open border policy until really recently. Yeah, I don't, it wasn't as easy to come across. You also weren't being incentiv money. You weren't being given housing and shelter and much to the demise of the people that are poor that live there that are American citizens that are freaking the fuck out in these poor communities. [1:23:10] And you also know that immigration helps the economy. Do you know what I mean? Like that's the thing it provides to get to it together. Everything's fucking like, yeah, but also. So that's where I go. I don't know. That's Tim Dylan's perspective. We think so bring in a cheap labor You think that's always what it's been Including like a town of like our great grandparents and great great like it was just they needed jobs Yeah, they need jobs and they were and then the reason I don't did you read the The cliff nesteroff book about comedians getting canceled historically no you might want to have money It's really good. But what is it called? Look it up. I read it like not long ago. K-L-I-P-H book. Nesteroff, N-E-S-T. What is K-L-I-P-H? What is it called? K-L-I-P-H. [1:24:00] Okay. That's his name, Cliff. Oh, Cliff. Yeah, Cliff Nesteroff. Comedians, Drunk, Thieves, Scouts. No, the outrageous history of show is that one. But the reason why so many Jewish people, Irish people, and blind people, we came comedians. It was just because they couldn't get job anywhere else. Lenty Bruce. Yeah. It was just because they couldn't get job anywhere else. Danny Bruce. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. And like, who, why they get canceled, who gets canceled? And it's been happening. Guy's saying, I can't say anything in 1938. That's right. Like, it's so, it's like kind of a tale is all this time. But, uh, but yeah like people came for for uh... joe at yet it's it all of these things you're right and it helps the economy there's a meme that i found online that is it's so funny because it's from nineteen thirty four it's a cartoon from nineteen thirty four [1:25:03] that's basically saying exactly what everyone is worried about today both on the right and on the left I'm gonna send this to you Jamie About the government. It's crazy because This is the same story. It's a hundred years later. It's the same story. Yeah, pull that up Yes, it's the same one is like Jews are subhuman and superhuman. Look at this. Plan for of action for US. Spend, spend, spend under the guise of recovery. Bus the government, blame the capitalist for the failure, junk the constitution and declare a dictatorship. Cartoon appeared in the Chicago Tribune in 1934. Yeah. In that one. Yeah, the government is like, you know, spying on you and they're inept. It says up there, it worked in Russia, so that's Stalin, I guess, is writing that out. Yeah, wild. Yeah, that's what it's, it's wild in the field. But I read this time does feel pretty specific. [1:26:01] This does feel especially grim. Yeah. This period't feel especially grim. This period of history, but yeah, the anxiety thing, that's curious to me, I'm not curious, but I'm interested in the fact that it does give you anxiety. Does it give you anxiety for your, is it humanity overall? Yes, yeah, it's humanity overall. I get it at night, I get it at night because usually that's what I'm high. There was usually when I'm writing, when I'm high. Yeah. I get real anxiety because usually also everyone else in my house is asleep. So it's just me and it's late at night and I'm just doom scrolling and I'm writing and I'm just thinking about the future. And I genuinely get this like fear of angst. Like what happens if everything goes totally sideways, which has happened historically all over the world. With incredible regularity. Yeah, it's almost predictable. And there's always been instances where society was thrown into chaos. And like what, we have this very... Even the democracy thing. It's the same way like when you look up, [1:27:02] where's abortion legal? Where they put in Florida in the water. Look up where there's democracy and up, where's abortion legal? Where, you know, where's, where are they putting for it in the water? Look up where there's democracy and how long it's been there. Super easy. This is the oldest one, guys. And it's not even 300. And it's not even, it's like, this is the oldest one then there's France, England, and there's not that many of them now. And there's never been one like this, and this one is only 300 years old, which is a blip. There's nothing. Yes, relative to, and it really does, it is that thing of like you have to foster it. You gotta water it, and you gotta till the feet, you gotta vote, you gotta get a, you gotta do research, you gotta do all the shit. And it's, but as we can both the test like, it's worth it. Yeah. Well, this is the greatest experiment in self-government the world's ever experienced. It's fascinating. It really is. And it's also because of this, [1:28:00] this country has achieved so many amazing milestones creatively. Like how much music has come from America? I mean, how much of like popular music that the world hears? The airplane. Yeah. That's us. Yeah, the internet. The car. The car. The computer. Yeah, like these are not small things. Stand up comedy. Yes. Stand up comedy was invented here. It's done best by people from here still to this day. Correct. That's just undeniable. Good luck trying to do what we do. Yeah, it's just not the same. It's funny. There's a few guys, there's Ricky Jervais and J. Carr. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot guys. There's Ricky Jervais and Jay Carr. Yeah. A couple of others. Yeah, but the reality is, there's a lot more here. Yeah. A whole lot more. Sound out arenas. Yeah. And good and good. Good comedians. I think this is the best time for comedy that's ever existed. I really do. I mean, there's. Yes. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. [1:29:05] Yeah. Like this is the time. This is the golden age of comedy. Yeah. And you know, Aario says this, that this is a great time for comedy because comedy is dangerous again. Yeah. It's great. It's dangerous. Yeah. It is like like the, you know, the red fox, you know, after dark records thing now. But now it's more, and weirdly now it's more like Douglas Murray books and speeches. Right, right, right. Those are like the contraband. What do you, I wanna ask about the anxiety thing, because when you, do you get, do you worry about the safety of your loved ones? Cause, and do you worry about like your, your shit hits the fan plan? Cause my plan is, hey, I've done Joe Rogan. When people come up, I go, you may remember me from Joe Rogan. We're good, right? Oh, you mean when? [1:30:01] Prepars? Deprivers come for you. They're not gonna come for you. The people that are gonna come for you, the people that aren't preppers, the people that don't have any food. That's what's gonna be so. I don't have any either though. Yeah, well, that's good. Hopefully you don't have any guns. Hopefully you don't have anything valuable that they can take. Do you think it's to have a gun. Especially if you're smart and you take care of it and you lock them up and you know how to use them. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know one of the funniest things is people like you should give up your AR 15. You don't need it. You should send it to Ukraine so they can fight the Russians. Like Do you see what you're saying like they're they're they're they're literally fighting against an oppressive force and If they're unarmed you should arm them. Well, what happens if something like that happens here and you're saying Oh, yeah, I mean I did I did it in the last special here is crazy the idea of like taking it There should be a every year they should have a guys who are like hoarding weapons thing that they could take on the government [1:31:02] We should every year have an NRA military showdown Where it's a hundred guys from the NRA versus like three guys from the military, and it's just, they're just gonna drone them. Right, but here's the thing, the guys from the military, the guys who sign up for the military, are the guys who don't wanna do that. So you know, that I know, well that's the thing, like turning them on Americans. So this is the big fear about immigration is that you're going to take these immigrants and you're going to indoctrinate them into the military And they'll be willing to do things that United States citizens won't be willing to do because nobody wants to join the military anymore. Oh, you think that is that? I'm a big fear about the heavy duty conspiracy theorists. They're worried that they're going to conscript these people like you can get like look they're doing that in Russia where they're saying fight in the Ukraine war and we'll let you out of jail. Yeah. So they're taking prisoners with life sentences and using them as cannon fodder. Heck of a movie by the way. Yeah. And it's happening. I mean, they're literally using them. No, I know it's it's and it's real like some monsters monsters that they're letting out. Yep. Monsters and they're doing monster shit too. I've heard they've doing it to other Russian. [1:32:06] They're just doing, they're not, these are not like rational people. No, they're psychos. Yeah. Like full on psychos. And psychos in Russia, that's another level of psycho. Oh, I forget it. Shut it down. Yeah, long history of violence. Yeah. And also loss. the loss of the experience during the World War. Like, people, they always, everyone talks about what happened with Israel, what happened with the Jews, what happened with the United States, our military, Japan, Russia, lost a lot of fucking people. And if it wasn't for Russia, we might not have even fought off the Nazis. We might not be. I think it's, I don't think that's any dispute there. Yeah. I think that's like don't think that's any dispute there. Yeah, I think that's like that was like they they kind of kept their attention right yeah on the on the East yeah, and they are they have such a long history of conflict and loss and their willingness to That's what somebody told me is like [1:33:00] Putin's whole thing is just like we're a country where it's we're always at war We always will be at war Let me lead us and he's a warrior which is really scary when you got a guy who's a KGB guy that becomes the head of the country I mean again, it's the hammer thing. You don't all you have is a hammer Yeah, he doesn't well that's what somebody's like they don't have much industry also he kills Well, that's what somebody says. It's like they don't have much industry. Also he kills everybody. Yeah. Anybody, political opponents, anybody's questioning him. You get poisoned, you get fucking drone bombed, whatever. Yeah, you don't even gotta be in Russia. Yeah. They got a guy in, they popped a guy in Spain a few months ago. Oh yeah, they'll pop you everywhere. Yeah, poison. And we kinda do that too. I'm sure we do that. I mean, the idea that we're innocent and that we don't have CIA assassins that go in whack dissidents. Okay. I'll take your logic. Can we still condemn what he does? It's hard. It's hard. First of all, What if he definitely can tend to... What if he definitely can tend to... You definitely can condemn what he's done in Ukraine. You can definitely can condemn you can condemn bombing Kiev. You can definitely can you can condemn a lot [1:34:07] You definitely can but you also got to condemn the NATO for moving their fucking arms closer to the Russian border and crossing that boundary and trying to get Ukraine to join NATO which has always been his red line. There's a lot of like Readish Yeah, I don't I don't know my the natives have never made it anyone so it's kind of like if they I get that they're trying to get Like the point you made about trying to get people to move to Austin They haven't been around that no, I know they have but they definitely I don't think you can get Yeah, I'm with you. I just don't think they're an invasion. They're too disorganized Yeah, they need consensus from fucking however many countries are in NATO to like we're gonna I don't think and then who's gonna govern whatever the idea is pushing arms closer to the borders of Russia to make an attack easier and quicker and all those things influence foreign policy those things are dangerous. They're yeah, I'm with you But I don't I like is it is he is NATO perfect? No, no, but like what he's doing is just aggressive bullying like hey man [1:35:08] We're trying to have a world where people can't do that anymore. Right. We're trying to get back because it's complicated like we The United States was involved in the coup in 2014 we instigated it. We provided weapons and money We were a part of that and There's there's been a lot of those throughout history. I mean we fuck around We what did we we Google the other day? How many countries the United States has military bases in it? Isn't it like 90? What was it again Jamie The problem is it's like the the problem is. I know what the problem is. Everywhere. It's like the way America work was, it's like, there's a moral framework. Louis had a great joke about it where he was talking about himself. He's like, I have all sorts of ethics and standards. I don't follow any of them, but I have them. [1:36:02] Like I have standards for myself. And America, the game was That we would look at this there's 50 military bases and at least 80 countries that is so crazy Yeah, the number maybe even higher is not all data is published by the Pentagon. Yeah, but Joe Joe We're American. It's good. This is better. Austin China. Well, that's what I mean Yeah, it's better. I'm sure the game we always play was like yeah, we do shit. It's good. This is better. Austin China. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's better. The game we always play was like yeah, we do shit. Yeah, you can't Well, and now everything's transparent or it's like significantly more transparent so and people have no Tolerance for hypocrisy right it used to just kind of be like side-papers. You go like, oh, America's kind of a fucking hypocritical. And now, because social media, it's like, a gotcha. And it's like, yeah, fucking, we're hypocrites. Yeah. Well, that always leads me back to that Smedley Butler paper that he wrote in 1933, which is War's a Racket. [1:37:00] He was this famous military man who, upon retiring, reflected upon his career and said, like, the whole thing was a racket. I thought I was protecting people, I was protecting banks. And this is what war really is all about. And that still holds true to that. I mean, that's the military industrial complex speech kind of exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, it's the, I think the, the, the agreement was corruption and then but stability. And now it's, the corruption's been revealed and now it's super unstable. Like now we can see all the corruption and shit feels, and you can't sleep. Yeah. What's better? I don't know. I think the erosion of the confidence of the government in this country is dangerous because people, there's kids on the street that are saying, you know, we want to overthrow the United States government and get rid of all the colonizers. [1:38:02] Like, what are you talking about? I know, but they could clip the fuck out of you and show a reason they should be suspicious of the government. You know what I mean? Like I think whatever the pharmaceutical companies are the NIH or the white house. There's what you're skeptical and the problem is I think there's not a problem. But like your skeptical you know the limits of your skepticism. You know what I mean? Where's everybody else just goes limitless skepticism. Also, I don't trust anything. They're young. They just got out of college. They have no debt. Well, they have debt, maybe, but they don't have any life. Their life has just begun. And they want to throw this, this country's corrupt. It's just burn it all down and then do what? And entries corrupt that just burn it all down and then do what I do do do you want to be saw where you where you gonna go where you gonna go there was a a basketball coach in the who after the Celtics dynasty after you know Larry bird Robert Parish all this stuff and then he was a Rick Patina was the coach [1:39:01] and they sucked and he said to the press like Larry bird ain't walking through that door. And that's how it is with all these kids. It's like there's no better leader. There's no for the women. There's no better men. There's no like, this is it. We're gonna make do with this. You want to help or not? Or you just want to mope. And you want to, and also everyone's corrupt and You should be skeptical But you but to the point where it's like when does when does kept when does pure skepticism the skepticism become? Chaos well, I think when can you not believe traffic lights? They get so frustrated at all. They do want to burn it all down But they don't have a solution they don't have like a working solution of what happens once it gets burned down What I worry about is I think the government is so inept and I think the the Confidence in the government is so low That if something goes sideways it's not gonna be like everybody waits for the government [1:40:01] It tells what to do you gonna have chaos in the streets just like the George Floyd riots You just gonna have that all over the place. That's the real fear. People with nothing will revolt and guns are everywhere and it could get real sketchy. Yes, and then, or you go, it's chaos, it's 1968, 1969. Yeah. Now, and then you see cops beating up protesters and you're like, all right, this is hard because I'm for the protesters. And, you know, I need order. Yeah. As a human being, I would like it's the freedom and safety. It's the two, sort of the two things that hang in the balance. And I don't, it's funny to hear you say that you get, Sort of the two things that hang in the balance and I don't it's funny to hear you say that you get You get anxious at night Yeah, based on this world because cuz it's always at night. Yeah, it's always at night when I'm alone with my thoughts Because I just realized all the things that could go sideways at any given time with one thing one big thing one big event and it [1:41:05] doesn't even have to be an attack it could be a natural event one natural event and we're fucked one solar flare that takes out the grid we're fucked yeah and and even and to the George Floyd point it's like they shouldn't have fucking killed the guy and people should people can protest police brutality that's all like the cops were wrong and how they handle that and the protesters, we are a lot, it's part of our government, it's part of our society, it's part of our constitution. We can, and then it's like, defund the police and I'm like, no, but, yeah, no, yeah, you had me, we're not, no, but, yeah, no. Yeah. You had me, we're not, I fucking need cops. Yeah. Need them. And also, and then all those polls of like low income people were like, no, we want cops. So, it's the tyranny of the minority thing where. Well, there's also the problem with the autopsy. The autopsy of George Floyd showed that he had lethal levels of fentanyl in a system that he was gonna die anyway. I heard they wasn't lethal. [1:42:06] What does that mean? I've seen things where the levels of fentanyl were day-told and whatever. Well, he had a large heart. He was suffering from all sorts of ailments, like cardiovascular ailments, and he did have a high level of fentanyl in a system that I think is in the lethal threshold. And then you have this high stress event being arrested, also being compressed, someone's pressing down on your body, restricting your breathing, and you're panicking, you're freaking out. Very possible to have a heart attack there. But I don't, so maybe myself, he wouldn't have had. Right. So you're of the mind, maybe that he was, he had fentanyl in the system and it was not great police procedure. Well, it's 100% not great police procedure. Yeah. So 100%, but also that guy had a history of abuse. [1:43:03] Yeah. No, but that's what I mean So then people protest it's better. It's like but the question is did he actually kill that guy? Was that guy dying? You know what I think? happened level see find out because I had read that When they did the initial autopsy they didn't find that his death was because of Construction it wasn't because of compressed arteries or any of that. You know what I fear happens a lot? Is this a good example? So you like so we got. Yeah, of course. So you you're of the mind. I'm of the mind of like that was wrong. Yes. And then you go, yes, but he did have fennel. No, I'm of the mind that was wrong too. That's police brutality and abuse and probably not necessary. Like it wasn't like he was thrashing and trying to attack. Like you could have restrained that guy, cuffed him and that would have been it. Right, so my point, so it's not but he was on fentanyl. [1:44:01] Let's say that was awful police work and he was on fent and all right so let's say the police work was good and the guy wound up dying that's different yeah right then you say oh he died of a fentanyl overdose but if you look at the way they handled them it was humane it was correct yeah now would there have been pro who knows now it's probably historically right that happens all the time what I worry though get arrested and they die of overdoses That happens at time. Yeah, but then you could use Narcon you can you have it sometimes they don't you know There's like you've read that where it's like sometimes they just like fuck it. They I've saved this guy too many times You know, I mean like it's just cops being like fuck. I'm so sick of saving drug addicts all day Like people that don't even seem to want to live So what I worry that's happening culturally and it literally pick an issue. Israel, COVID, George Floyd, whatever is there's these contradictory, not even contradictory piece of information. It's not a simple narrative, right? So I think a lot of times people just declare a mistrial in their head. They go, [1:45:07] fuck it. I don't, this is somebody's lying. I'm getting the fuck out of here. There is no, there's no justice. There's just everything's, everything's too gray. Whereas 30, 40 years ago, it would have been, they just killed a guy. No, there's no video. Well, there's like black and white. Like Kent State. That's black and white one. The National Guard comes in, shoots protesters. Everybody's outraged. It's horrible. Yeah, there are. But now it's, Kent State happens today. Maybe they actually, one of, there's a second video. It becomes, it's almost like the Kennedy assassination. Everything's kind of the Kennedy assassination. Everything's kind of the Kennedy assassination and where it is a lot of content and then people go, fuck it. I don't know what happened. And I think that's where not even, sometimes maybe it's nefarious actors and other times it's just people who wanna be contrary or whatever, there's so much information [1:46:00] and there's a limited bandwidth for people's attention spent and time in a day that they just go, I don't know what the fucking happened there. That's a big one. And that's the thing with boomers, like, you know, RFK's talked about this a lot, that boomers only pay attention to legacy media. Mm-hmm. That they really, they're not reading independent journal reports or not. I don't do you think it's less so though? Like meaning like it's a lot of Facebook links to sort of a shifty website. Some people now. Yeah. I think there's some some of that now, but I think there's still a lot of people that just put their faith in mainstream. Especially people that aren't online on a regular basis or there are only friends with people that are their age. And so they have this sort of like mentality the way they consume news and information. It's kind of always been the same Yeah, like COVID again I'm sorry to bring this up for the listeners and myself but so There was the tack a cardia thing and they put the the heart rate thing that was like people it was elevating people's heart [1:47:03] Like that was one of the main side effects, right? And they acted like it wasn't much. And then fairly recently, there was like, actually, there was more than we thought. I wonder, but then I've also heard from people that are skeptical. It's like, it's a pretty good vaccine in terms of like lowering numbers of infections. And, but I think most people got the first wave of like, you have to take this, this is a perfect vaccine. And then they heard this thing of like, it's not perfect. And then they got tired. Well, it's been lied to from the very beginning. One, first thing, they didn't even test it to see if it stops transmission, but yeah, they said it did. They didn't even test it to see if it stops transmission, but yet they said it did They didn't even test it to see if it stops you from being infected, but yet they said it does All does is impart Some form of immunity that's specific to the wild virus the first version Yeah, yeah, and and the way they studied it and the way they tested it is so fucking corrupt [1:48:02] That just the fact that they said that it's 100% effective against stopping death. Do you know how they came up with that number? Two people in the control group got COVID and died. One person in the vaccine group got COVID and died. So that makes an error in their child. When RFK told me that, there's no way that's it. And then we read the actual studies and like, oh my God, that actually is it. And they're allowed to say that. Yeah. Technically true. Technically true. Yeah. Technically, you can get away with a lot. But it's also like the VAIR system. I mean, the reporting of adverse effects is very underutilized. And so we all know people that have had bad side effects from the vaccine. And the question is how many of them kept their mouth shut, how many of them are quiet, how many of them are suffering, how many of them the doctors are unwilling to connect it to the vaccine? There's a lot. There's a lot. I personally know more, well, it's all fucking empirical. So who gives a shit? [1:49:01] It's like, well, I happen to know who gives a shit from one to got one person. But yeah, but I wonder what the way forward is with any of this stuff because that thing of people just going, fuck it, I declare a mistrial. Yeah. You just, that's probably not great for society. Did you find anything about George Floyd's toxicology? Yeah, I'm looking, I mean, I'll just show you what I I don't care. I believe this is the autopsy report It shows that there was 11 like a nanograms per milliliter, right? Right. I know I did that's higher. Not so then what's lethal tried to tie 10 to 20? This is what Google says is lethal for humans lethal dose is two Recommends serum concentration is one to 20 nanograms per milliliter for anesthesia and 10 to 20 milligrams per liter. Blood concentration, what's that? It's going to be in the anesthesia range. So what you had in a system? So what's lethal? That's right here, lethal dose. It's two milligrams. [1:50:01] So he had nanograms? So he had 11 nanograms which is significantly lower than two milligrams. Is that what they're saying? That's what that says. Yeah, but your fentanyl was 5.6 nanograms per milliliter. So did it say that he had a leak cocaine caffeine? He had caffeine. I was oh not even cocaine Coatanine. I was looking through it to find out what it says is like the conclusion. It does. 11 hydroxy delta nine. So he had bullshit THC in him. He had that fake THC. Right. I know, but that's one of, you know, 15 years ago that would have been the lead story. Yeah. Negative for ethanol, methanol, isopropanol, and acetone. Methamphetamine. 19 nanograms per milliliter. So you had a lot of shit in this system. But, and so that's like, but he wasn't deserved to die. No. It may or may not have contributed to his death. It's like shit that you can't prove, but once that's in the air, it creates this sense of [1:51:01] like, we'll never know what happened. We'll also see the video. Well what happened Also now let the video yeah, you know, you see him saying I can't breathe. Yeah, the whole thing Yeah, yeah, and it's and what I just worry about this sort of haze of all this shit now of everything Does any study say that he had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system? Why do people keep repeating that? Always seeing that was a bunch of people saying that and I were like, I know and that's, and you're not, you're not repeating it malevolently. You just heard it repeatedly. You know what I mean? You're not, you're not trying to make the guy look better or whatever it's just. But a lot of people are. I agree. They made that documentary. Yeah. What documentary? There was a whole documentary about then that got to bond about George Floyd. And what does the documentary say? All the fentanyl and all that stuff. That's killed them. Yeah. No evidence. Drug overdose was the main cause of death for George Floyd. So this is from what year? 2022. 2022. [1:52:01] So social media users make a claim that George Floyd killed actually died from drug overdose. These claims are misleading. Official medical and court records rule. The police restraint, not drug use, is the main cause of death and evidence support claim that George Floyd lethal die levels of drugs in the system. One Twitter user sharing the claim, George Floyd died offentital overdose, Derek Chauvin should be freed. Okay, but this is one they're like one person. No, this is one person said in an elephant. claim George Floyd died offentinel overdose Derek Chauvin should be freed. Okay, but this is when they like one. No, this is one person said in an elephant, but if they're, if they're saying like it didn't, uh, whatever, or can we trust the AP? Yeah, that's something. Yeah, however, no publicly available evidence supports the claim that Floyd died from overdosing on drugs, specifically flintinal or meth amphetamine, rather than the actions of the cops. What's I do? I assume those are like Russian trolls just closing chaos. Joe, that's my point is like, what, like this is the world now. Right. You're not, you're not, you are not predisposed to, but there is a thing of being predisposed to skepticism. [1:53:00] Right. Right. And it, and right and it seems cooler than being some square ass. Right. I take, I'm a sheeple and I don't, and what I'm saying is like there's value in both, you know what I mean? And like I don't know how to litigate it. I don't know how to prescribe it to people. But and I know also know that people have a limited amount of time. That's a giant factor. Yeah. And they got better shit to do. This is not their number one priority. And so I don't know what to, I truly don't know what that's the kind of thing that would cause me anxiety. I mean, if you look at me, looking for a new thing to be anxious. But, no, but honestly, like, and the thing with you is like, because I've known you so long, it's like, you're a decent honest person. I know I will testify in court that any chance I've seen you have to be decent and honest, you've taken it. [1:54:01] And there's still stuff that you think might be true because it's fucking floating around. And you're intelligent, but you see get information. This one I've just heard. That's why I brought it up. I wanted to know what the actual, I've not read about it honestly. And I remember reading a headline saying that he had a lethal dose of fentanyl in the system and that people are arguing it. Yeah. But it still doesn't take away from the fact that the policing was immoral. Fucking awful. Yeah. And that's a thing that people have to deal with every day from the cops. And also, being a fucking cop is a horrible job. I know. Everything is so many things. Fucking, and it's the worst job on earth. It's one of the worst jobs. I can't, it's a nightmare. You're the professional enemy, and everyone you pull over is probably lying to you. Yes, and then they all train with like, that everyone wants to shoot them. They kind of have to train that way, like they have to like just get home to your wife and kids, [1:55:02] then they show videos of like them getting ambushed and shit like which isn't false, it's like they do get ambushed. It's not very out, but they can't worry about that. It's like we have to worry about hecklers pretty much every show. You know what I mean? Like so, it's all these very, very complicated things, very complicated and. Very complicated. And I don't know, and every point of view has a validity. A lot of them do. That's for sure. And then you have the foreign actors and you have the disinformation campaigns that are state run, that we run. That's for sure too. Yeah, and we do it to other countries, but don't you fucking do it? We do way worse. We actually go in and overthrow their governments and install puppet dictators. So we do. We've been doing that forever. We run bullshit democracies. We've caused, you know, liberty to become a failed state. [1:56:00] We've done a lot of wild shit. Yeah, we still continue to do it right now with those 700 plus bases worldwide. Yeah. We're involved in all kinds of shady things. And then there's also the obligation. Like if you're in the CIA or if you're... But shady shit that benefits you and me, Joe. Yeah. Well, that's shady. Shady shit that reminds legitimate dictators. Like how do you, what do you do? Just let these people develop nuclear arms and take over countries and no you gotta you gotta do things to stop Despots I know and that's the thing of now in the age of transparency and gotcha you're a hit you are you're You're your government is Hugely hypocritical like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a fucking government What do you think we could that we have to be it's one set of rules for us and another for everybody else. Yeah, sorry Why why that's why you're all trying to sneak in here. What gives you anxiety? Well, I would this because I come and give updates on my mental health How are you doing now? I'm doing great. I this is what I want to talk about so so all the ayahuasca [1:57:01] doing great. I did what I wanna talk about. So all the ayahuasca set a really nice, got me off antidepressants, got me believe in God in a central creation force that's non-gender or whatever, it's just a thing. It's just a magnet basically. Say it's a woman. Yeah, please. Wrong pockets. God's chance. Yeah, good. And then the DMT broke me and put me back together. And after the DMT, the 5MEO that I smoked, it was a year and a half of... I thought it was eight months of chaos and then I did an Iawaska ceremony a year and a half after I'd smoked the DMT was the first time back and I felt the DMT door closed and I was like it was open that whole fucking time. What do you mean by that? Okay, so DMT opened up my brain too much, little too much of the universe. [1:58:10] I believe most of being human being is just like this. We understand that we're a rock in space, but it's just like my fucking house and my apartment and my car and my fucking, the things that I understand, my family, that the DMT made it so I could experience like time a lot more. I talked about it last time where I had a hard time watching the screensaver on Apple TV, the mountain ranges and shit. I was, I got a sense, I understood how old they were. In a way, you're kinda not supposed to. When you know what someone goes, hey, can you believe the Rocky Mountains are of 700,000 years old? And you go, yeah, that's crazy, but nothing happens. [1:59:02] I kind of understood how long a time that was. I was like way out. I was way out. And then I slowly kind of came back. It took about a year and a half. And what was the negative aspects of being way out? It was, I told somebody i was aiming for god and i missed my stop and i woke up on a like a moving train with no conductor and go on a million miles an hour so it was because you were taking in too much information that you hadn't considered before so it became unmanageable the dmT, well I had the Michael Pollan experience where the DMT took me back to, took me to, when I inhaled it, I went to before the big bang and Michael Pollan said it on here because I looked it up. I was like, where have I heard it? And I was like, that's where I was. [2:00:02] And so I slowly, the issue was, so the DMT was pretty much a DMT 25 minute, 35 minute experience of like, I was before the Big Bang and my personality kind of came back and I was kind of going like, I'm not gonna do that anymore, I'm not gonna be like petty, I'm not gonna be like a virtuous person, I'm just gonna be like, I'm gonna remember this God connection and all that stuff. And then a week later, I had a reactivation. A week later. Yeah. You know the thing of like, there's a thing which people have DMT reactivations. Where you... Yeah, basically what the joke of like an acid flashback. I had that for and it's common with smoking DMT Yeah, and I had one so now I'm it's a Sunday in New York I'm on a coffee date with a woman In this side of my frame this side is fucking pure whiteness infinite time [2:01:02] It was harrowing. So you saw it? It wasn't like a pure split screen, but it was like energetically kind of a split screen. Was it something that you thought and you felt in your mind or was it something you were experiencing visually? It was, yeah, I shouldn't say that it was, I couldn't see it, see it, but it felt it. Yeah, I felt it. And so, I would say that I was, would between reality, current reality, and then this infinity, sort of energetically. And was it giving you anxiety? Yeah, oh, I was so disoriented. I had the thought like, am I in God's imagination? Shit, that's not great to think when you're just in on a Sunday walking around in New York. Yeah, especially if you're on a date. I mean, come on. And, you just try to make some happen, yes. And pay attention. [2:02:01] My friend of mine said, she goes, you just seem really preoccupied. I was like, yeah, I had a lot on my plate. Did you watch that Hemingway documentary on PBS? No. It's, hmm, I recommended highly. Ken Burns Hemingway, black and white pushes. And I'm not even a Hemingway fan. There were some passages that are like, hmm, okay. This is amazing, but there's a part they showed maybe the Spanish Civil War. He went there, I think it's the Spanish Civil War. And there's a passage from one of his books where he got shot. I believe, and he said he explained it as like, my spirit came out of my body like a ribbon and then came back in. And I was watching with my friend, I go, hey, can we stop real quick? Cause I was like in that world. Like that day, this was the reactivation day. And I was like, yeah, I need to not watch this cause I'm in that thing where my spirit can come back [2:03:02] and it was like touch and go, I think I made it to this last time I would have killed myself but I knew I'd be going into more of it. So it was like real difficult like real like on the edge of my a bit yeah I would say I don't want to say I don't know what pre-psychotic would be like pre-diabetic I feel like I was like, that's pretty close. Now, over time, I got better every day and I got returned to norm, but I was more able to fall in love, more generous. I'm funnier on stage. I get 15% more and bigger laughs like cause I'm spiritual and people notice it. Like, hey, what's different about you? On stage is better. This Netflix thing is like my best one cause it's just like, I'm lighter. I'm just lighter. So that was hard to deal with, [2:04:02] but after the year and a half past, I'm a better, it's easier to be me. It's easier to deal with me. Everything's improved. So then in the last year or so, every few months I do MDMA. And like in a sort of not necessarily therapeutic environment, but like in a sort of not necessarily therapeutic environment, but like in a with a spiritual bent What's happened from the ayahuasca and the DMT is when I've done mushrooms it's ayahuasca It's a god connection or what I perceive as a god connection when I do MDMA now it's a god connection And I've been able to, I believe, I've been able to change my, I don't want to say spirit, but I think it's synapses. Whatever you want to like, you know, categorize it. You're operating system. Yeah. Basically, it's like, [2:05:02] you get, you are, you are getting a new, you get an update, an OS update. And you know, the thing with updates on computers is the computer goes, like sometimes you're awake for these updates. You're like, I've literally done the joke on Iawaska. Like, is there any other system you have? Because this is a little touch and go for me. I appreciate it. And I always get so much from it in the long term, but in the short term, I did I ask a, I don't know, in November, and there was a point where I went up to the shaman, I go, hey, I'm like a little close to God right now. Could you just give me like a nudge? Cause it's very hard to comprehend, honestly. Yeah. It's as someone who's sort of experimented in this world. Like, it's, you know, there are moments that are hard to comprehend. And it's a hard thing to communicate. Like, it's interesting because I think overall you would say [2:06:01] the benefit is worth it, but it's a slippery road. Yeah, well, it's hard. It's very hard to do. And that's the thing, and we talked about this the last time about sort of the mainstream and all this stuff. It's Pandora's Box, man, because there's people, a lot of people, I'm whatever I am, intelligent person and accomplished person. And I felt like I was pretty psychotic for a couple of days. And I would have killed myself if not. Like that's a pretty, that would have been a significant. So you genuinely thought about killing yourself? Well, I didn't have a plan or anything, but like I was like, this is unbearable. No, it was like this is unbearable. What I'm in right now. We're like, I'm on our our am I in God's I'm at who am what a what is this? What is any of this? Yeah, what is what is steps? Walking down steps go why is any of this? Why am I a person in it? Whatever Got through it better [2:07:04] And then the MDMA I've been able to sort of I don't know if you want to do software updates or whatever, but it's just made me more. I had one that was really great, which was, I did MDMA and I was able to, you know, I'm kind of a grudge holder, Irish Catholic, etc. I want to 10, you got it. And I was able to just forgive all of my grudges easily, easily, like just easily. That's very valuable. Yeah. And so the next day, I was like, why was I so able to do that yesterday, but I was whole most grudges tight the day before. And it's because my brain, on the MDMA, I had oxytocin dopamine serotonin flowing through me, right? Love hormones, love chem, kindness chemicals, generosity chemicals. I was able to do it. Most of the time I realized I just have cortisol adrenaline. And cortisol adrenaline are organized [2:08:06] and they're judicious. That's the currency. It's like justice, retribution, wrong, right? Organize, organize, punishment, kind of in it, like rigid, right? So I started thinking like, I've been, what I consider a personality, is this cortisol on adrenaline, or what I consider a personality. So I just realized like, I've had a quarter, I've been, I've a kitchen in my head that makes cortisol sandwiches. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is what I like to eat. No, I don't. That's just what I like to eat. No, I don't. That's just what it's giving out. So I made a conscious effort to ignore my first, like I now write, like don't believe your chemicals. Mm, just don't believe them. Like think beyond them. [2:09:01] And focus on the sort of the softer chemicals are the more positive ones. And I've also been doing a thing that's been like wildly helpful, which is, I was doing a gratitude checklist. Just every day I would write things I'm grateful for. And also not anything I'm grateful for, the facts of my life, the facts of my life are really good. I've three Netflix specials, not how many people have that. I have X amount of money, I've done great stuff, I have love in my life, I have a girl, my friends, I respect it, et cetera, et cetera. So I write it down to remember that I have all these great things I am living my dream. I'm living a lot of people's dreams. I'm also especially living my dream. But my brain was just writing sci-fi. And of this person fucking out to getcha. [2:10:04] And they're just constant nonsense nonsense that was just purely basic So what I found is the more I do so then rain Wilson the actor suggested we were talking about Islam praying five times a day And I was like that's kind of the right amount if we're honest Right if you want to really keep the software in tune. Yeah, if you want to just remember like, hey, I'm a vessel for a spirit and did it up. So he goes, why don't you write in your gratitude, checklist five times that I was like, fine. So I've been doing it. I rarely get to five. It's at least two or three. And every day, every couple hours, just remembering like what the facts of my life are. Do I think it's also we have all human beings develop patterns of thinking and these patterns get like deeply cut these grooves. They're easy to fall into and this not trusting your chemicals is essentially like not allowing [2:11:02] yourself to go down these patterns of thinking. Yeah, there's a saying that I've read, it was what called the shallows about what social media does to us, but it was, you are what you do repeatedly. You are what you think repeatedly. And we have, we all wait, at least I do, and did for a long time wake up and like, start the record. And just the monologue that's happening in your head and it's gotten me out of it. There are days where I wake up and it doesn't start and I'm like confused, you know? Cause I don't go instantly negative and it's made me see my life differently. I went out of my way to view my life through the way truer lens I believe do you know I mean like it's true I am objectively all the all the attributes that I list and I'm so fucking lucky You're so fucking lucky to get this experience [2:12:04] You're so think about this. The thing I would say to people is like spin the wheel. Eight billion other outcomes of human beings alive right now. What are the odds to beat this one? Yeah. This just like the Joe Rogan experience. Like literally the Joe Rogan experience. What are the odds to beat it? There's no fucking way think about think about your life It's impossible And I'm gonna even talk about like the popularity all that stuff like that's part of it But think about like having an idea Doing it in your in your whatever the basement or garage wherever we used to do the podcast. And then it just becomes this. What? Think about it. And I used to think that life, I would always tell myself like life's not fair. And then I finally, one day, I had to thought, yeah, life's not fair, Neil. No one's life should be as good as yours. [2:13:00] Like I'm so lucky. It's unbelievable. It's Unbelievable it's unbelievable. I'm like getting choked up talking about it. It's impossible and And I would argue that most people that hear it hear this are in the same position yet There's this inclination to focus on negatives this inclination. I think it's evolutionary Yeah, I think it is I think we're we're trained to scan for threats Yep, I agree and and and I write we're trained to scan for threats. Yep. I agree. And I write in my journal like my checklist because I want to masculineize it. No, every threat to gift. Wait a minute. Is it checklist? More masculine? Yeah, then a journal. Yeah. I think it, I believe it is. Really? Checklist because you have to make sure everything's good and the women and children are safe. But a diary is feminine. Oh, fuck. Dear diary. I'm gonna punch you with the face. Yeah, and I write almost every day. No threats, only gifts. Everything I thought was a threat [2:14:01] is just a gift over a longer timeline. And you've managed to do this without falling into a cult. What was the threat is just a gift over a longer timeline. And you've managed to do this without falling into a cult. Yeah, I don't think not one that I know of. I'm not paying dues anywhere. It's just literally keeping, it's like an emotional discipline in a weird way. It's the same way like working out every day. Well, me being your friend and knowing you for so many years, I mean, I guess I didn't know you well when I first met you. We only knew each other because we worked in the same place. We had Boston comedy. When you were a door guy and I was just a young comedian and we just became friends. I didn't know you well, but you were always nice to me. We were always cool. But you always, you had like this tension. And I always felt like I had a hug you. Like, even when I saw you when you were doing Chappelle, when I saw him, this is amazing. Look at you. Are you happy? You give me a hug. You don't get it. No, really. I was just looking at it all wrong, right? But you were doing well and I always felt like you it was and sometimes you have this me against the world thing [2:15:09] Well, it really becomes you against the world because other people feel that too And then they don't want to connect with you. They don't trust their emotions to just be relaxed around you Yeah, right? So there's a tension and a conflict there and it's like You're you're definitely different now and you were different the last time I talked to you And you feel maybe even more different now. Yeah, it's that's right on schedule for what what what I did what happened What unfolded if you want to get super? Super, but it's like even that thing of like, you know, when I met you in 1991-92 Pause Right and then flash forward to this. Yeah. I Don't know man. This shit worked out real good. It worked out great It did but it's hard to see that when you're in the most especially when you're caught up in your own thoughts Well, yeah, and you're caught up in like I'm late or this I have this is coffee's too hot or like this [2:16:07] grievance litany of like you're supposed, you think you're supposed to do it. Right, right. Or it's like even in the age of social media and constant, like you're gloating by saying your life's great. Right, right, there's that too. For instance, people, a lot of people don't know, because people have been like, right, well a lot of people don't know because they're like, right. Well a lot of people do, but what have you done? What have you done to try to mitigate that shitty life? Are you doing a checklist? No, have you actively moved towards a more positive way and how do you treat people around you? And but with you, it's like I would check in on you every now and then we would talk about different things that you were doing. Like remember one of the first ones you were doing was the ketamine stuff and I was like, that is wild. But I always felt so bad for you. I was like, God, this guy is just struggling with depression and anxiety and I don't understand it. You know, like- It's- it- the chemical stuff, ketamine didn't help the first time, I did it two months ago and it was pretty great. But- [2:17:04] Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is, it's hard to know what's gonna do what. And that's what they need. How much does exercise help you? I do, I have a trainer, etc. But like I don't, I can't, I don't, I have too many inputs. I don't know what's doing what. Do you know what I mean? I don't know what's like, oh, that's definitely the other thing of like, the validation of a successful comedy launch. Yeah, well that definitely helps. Yeah. I've had a lot of friends that were depressed and their career started doing better and then this kind of stopped being depressed. I know. It's embarrassing. Yeah. But I would, I know, it makes sense. Yeah. Like the anxiety of entertainment is first of all No, it's embarrassing. But I was, I know, it makes sense. The anxiety of entertainment is first of all, there's no clear pattern. Like go to school, get a degree, get your PhD, do this, do that. There's not a clear path, and you never know if it's going to work out. And how many guys have we known, especially us who knew people back in the day [2:18:03] that were talented, we thought we're going to make it. And it did not. And more talented than us. And we're better at the time than we are. And you go, God, how do they not make it? Yeah. And that's the thing. Even when you say, are you moving toward, are you doing anything to improve your lot in life? It's like a lot of people try. And it doesn't work. It doesn't work. And then you go, you know, why did it work for you? Why did it work for me? I can take some credit for effort. I can't really take credit for talent. Shit, but just came out. I don't know, I fucking been funny. So I was fucking five. Do you know what I mean? I've just kind of been myself. So I guess I cultivated and I didn't, and I was brave, I made brave choices. It's incredibly fortunate in a time where some comedians have deals with Spotify worth hundreds of millions of dollars. [2:19:00] Like in a time where you can make a ton of money as a comedian or, you know, it's like, I was thinking this about athletes. I'm sure you have to like a hundred years ago None of the guys none of the you know 100 million air athletes are fucking they're all just like Good farmers. Yeah One of the best farmers in the area. Yeah, like what would it mean to be a little bit aggressive? Metalus in. A little bit more aggressive. Yeah, you weren't getting an endorsement deal. It's just like, yeah. Yeah. So we're really lucky. We're just lucky in so many ways. But I think the, whenever I tell people that, it's like, yeah, but you're good too. I'm like, so what? I, yes, but I don't, I can't take credit for that Yeah, and it's also like everyone's formula for success is different. No one can take your formula and just plug it into their life. It's like, but you have different circumstances. You have different hormones. You have different everything, different life experiences, different goals and needs and aspirations, different interests, you know, different mentality. It's like, it doesn't work that way. [2:20:01] It's like everyone has to find whatever the formula is, but there's certain things that seem to be, they seem to exist in gratitude is a big one. That's such a hippie. Unfortunately, it co-opted word. You talked about Chris Williamson and you guys talked about it. It really is like really is like, oprified, hallmarkified. Yeah, yeah. But real. Yeah, man. I think it's just a better way to look at, it's just a better way to look at, but we're sort of trained to make it like, no, you did it because you grind it in rows when no one else was there. All your enemies were asleep and you were doing whatever. Yeah. Yes. That's true too. It's also, yes. It is true, but like I said, a lot of people do that, don't work. Yeah. They can't, they don't, they freeze up when the mic coming to whatever. They just, whatever it is. There are, you and I both worked hard and are fucking fortunate. [2:21:02] I mean, I had the thought I, I'm so fortunate. I, there's nothing I can do to compensate for this. This level of fortune, meaning like there's no level of volunteer work. I can volunteer the rest of my life. But you know what you do do? You live a life by example. And then this conversation is so insanely valuable because there's gonna be millions of people that hear you talk and say these things. And those people, many of them are gonna get in their mind that there's a pathway out of this. Maybe I can't take Neil Brennan's pathway, but there's a pathway out of this. And here's a guy that was like deep dark like I remember running into you in the hallway one time at the comedy store and you just had this look on your face like the fucking the weight of the world was on your shoulders and when I would say hi to you whenever I'd say hi to you I [2:22:00] would always almost feel like I gotta give this guy a hug. I really felt that way. Like I want to give you a hug. Like I'm a happy person. Let me give you a hug to see if some of the shit wears off. Yeah, but you weren't you know you now. You're a different guy now and just by people knowing that even though it doesn't feel like it while it's happening every time someone's in the middle of some shit Whatever it is a breakup you get fired whatever it is when you're in the middle of some shit Man, it doesn't feel like it's ever gonna change It feels like this is life from now on and it's unbearable and I'm fucked and when people hear a guy like you Who's not only made it out of there, but made like real measurable success like it's it's quantifiable you can see it, it's undeniable. They go, well, maybe I can do it too. Yeah, I hope so, they can. And it's not easy, it's scary. But what the fuck is easy? Yeah. [2:23:00] You tell me something that's worth doing, it's easy. What the fuck is easy? I don't even like that word, I hate that word. It's just a dumb word, easy. The easy's not in the menu, but valuable. Well that's life. I think that, yeah, exactly. But that's the thing that happens is like, because it's not, I was gonna say like the easy pass, like literally on the freeway. Like that's easy. But even that, you gotta fucking slow down. Right, even that, like find the fucking, and you gotta, it's nothing. Tire iron, someone left on the road. Yeah, like it's not, but it's, it's, it is, like you said, it's worth, if it's difficult, everything's difficult. And that's the thing that we can fall into this thing of like, you had to draw, you had to take a fucking shower and shave and find a shirt and just it's not effortless, but that's part of life. And you can't get hung up on the sort of the upkeep part of it. [2:24:05] Well, my strategy for that is to self administer things that are far more difficult than anything than I might experience in my day. And that's what I do with workouts. Like workouts for me, it's not just a physical thing, it's a mental thing as much as if not more than it's a physical thing. Cause I don't wanna do it. I still don't wanna do it. Like sometimes I want to do it, but most times I don't. But I still do it. And is it, do you have consciously think like, I don't want to do this chore for my wife or whatever and then go, but you just, you just sat in a fucking freezing cold water for 20 minutes so you can do it, buddy. Or is it just the embodied? I've done so many difficult things that I'm just comfortable doing difficult things and I know those whispers don't do it take the day off take an app do this do that I know how to avoid those but I know the how to avoid those just because that that's the path that I've carved in my head so my pattern of behavior is always gravitate toward difficult things and just do it [2:25:03] you know want to do and ignore those thoughts. And if I can make them so difficult, that regular life is easy. Like if you can fucking do a cold plunge, do 10 rounds in the bag and then do 20 minutes and 195 degrees in a sauna, I like the rest of the day is gonna be easy. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's those rounds seven, eight eight nine and ten are so fucking hard You're drenched with sweat you look over the timer five more seconds to rest before the bell goes off If you just get through that man regular life is easier because it's not that hard you couldn't sustain it if regular life For me was like round seven, around eight, forever, I wouldn't want to do that. I think for a lot of people, you know, they got to take the bus to work, that is round seven. Like there are just people that have a higher level of difficulty. Sure. And I've had those higher levels of difficulty in my life. And that's one thing I'm [2:26:04] very fortunate for. Being growing up poor, I think difficulty in my life And that's one thing I'm very fortunate for being growing up poor I think is very valuable and it's something I can't give my kids and I think about that I really do Because they don't understand the the fear of not having food They don't understand like your parents are on welfare and you know that you're eating from food stamps It's like that fear that that drive like there's no one coming to save you. You better go get things done. And you have to do it for yourself. And if you don't believe it, there's a camp and you could start poverty camp for your rich kids. For rich kids. You'd be faking it though. They always know that you're gonna be there to rescue them. That's part of the problem. And one of the things that I think can mitigate that is like them choosing difficult paths, difficult things to do. But it'll definitely not be as difficult as a poor person. Yeah, and that's, and that's, and like you got out of it. And now you're doing pretty good. So it's like, I just think it's important that, [2:27:05] it's important for me to remember, I just think it's important that, it's important for me to remember, I can't prescribe like gratitude will do it. I don't know, but that's a thing that really helped me. And plus, ketamine, transcranial malinuximulation, so-a-law, DMT, ayahuasca, mushrooms, MDMA. I've tried a lot of things. I've tried a lot of stuff. And I'm even fortunate to have added access To a lot of stuff 100% but yeah, but the and acknowledging that but this thing of Hard work doesn't isn't always Antiquate you know, it's like it's not enough, but it's something. It's yeah, it's all you can control Yeah, that's what I write. It's like I I can't, I may, I can't be, I'll never be grateful enough for this, but I can work hard and I can be focused on the stuff that is and what's important to me and hopefully it ends up being valuable to people. But like I can't, I just, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, people would always go like, you're doing so [2:28:08] well and didn't, I'd be like, you don't, like you said, I'd be like, you don't fucking understand stupid, stupid sketch show, it's never going anywhere. And then, and then all these things you look back and are like, I should have been so happy. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and all right it could have been so happy. You know what I mean? It's an opportunity. I think you talk about this very valuable. I really do. I'm glad you're happy. And it's also the thing of like, I was going in the, I knew you were doing a nice rap album. You'll have to restart it. The thing of like some days, I'd be like, like we all feel stuck in our existence. And instead of, and again, it's so corny, but sometimes they're running my journal, I get to be Neil Brennan. Not I have to be. I get to be Neil Brennan. Right. Yeah. [2:29:01] You get to be a father. You get to be whatever, all the things that are like great. Yeah It's not a It's not it's not a threat. It's a gift Elon posted something today about Or is yesterday that anxiety is essentially conspiracy theories that you make against yourself It's I literally had that same. I don't I't like, I've thought about it with you and Dave where it's like I only have conspiracy theories about why people don't like me. Well, I like you. Thank you, buddy. I like you too. All right. Let's wrap this up. Thank you for being here. Appreciate you. And I really do think what you're saying is very valuable to people. And I haven't seen you especially yet but I'm sure it's awesome you're hilarious crazy girl brana when you fly now number it's number four tonight tonight I met yeah I was gonna come to the club I know I know all right no time yeah thank you brother thank you bye everybody Thanks for watching!