#2073 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

I think you're gonna get it here. Hahaha. Good to see you again. Yeah, you as well. Do you do cold points? I was just talking about it. Yeah, it's something that I do occasionally, but I don't have one at my place, so it's not a regular part of my routine, but I would like it to be, and I guess I could do the cold shower thing, but it's for my understatement. Yeah, from my understanding, it's not as, I don't know, effective overall to like, you wanna be fully immersed and kinda get the full experience. Yeah, it's, I don't think it's as effective, but it's pretty effective. Especially you live in the fucking frozen, communist shithole of Canada. Yeah, yeah. It's cold, you get real cold water. When's the last time you've been up there? Right. I don't go up there anymore. Your refuse are it? Yeah, I'm just fucking, what they've done up there, what they did with the truck or alley and what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the internet, that guy can eat shit. Like that place needs 100% an overall government. They're sliding down that dangerous road of communism. It scares the shit out of me. Yeah, it's funny because even though I'm in Canada, it seems like the prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the States because it's just far more interesting. But even the alternatives that I'm aware of on the political side of things that are trying to get Trudeau out and replace him, not much better for my understanding. It seems like everyone's, every time I go on Twitter, I see Jordan Peterson shitting on some other guy who's like the next best option apparently. Well, he likes that Pierre guy. What's that guy's name? I don't know. Pierre Polivare, what is his name? There's the guy who's the reasonable Republican type character or conservative character. [2:00] What is the? Yeah, Pierre Polivare. That guy's very smart. there go he's very interesting There's a really funny video on a viewer's side, but He's eating an apple and he's talking to this reporter and the reporter keeps asking him really stupid questions Like what do you mean by that like what does that mean? And like it like he catches this reporter like says who who's saying this and it's everything that video? It catches this reporter, it says who, who's saying this? And it's ever seen that video? I've never seen it. Jamie, you're funny. Currently, you're obviously taking the populist pathway. What does that mean? Well, appealing to people's more emotional levels, I would guess. Certainly you tap very strong ideological language quite frequently. Like what? Left wing, you know this and that, right wing. I mean, it's like just buzzwords. I have a red target left right. Anyways, a lot of people believe in that. [3:02] Okay. Taking a... It's a longer conversation but it's very interesting because it just shows you the Anyways, a lot of people believe in that, okay? Taking a... It's a longer conversation, but it's very interesting because it just shows you the level of... The level of sophistication, these fucking dopey reporters that are covering this kind of shit. Now they are just trying to always play gothish stuff. The title was, does it hurt him? I wonder what the consensus is of like the average Canadian if they think it's Well, this guy's legit or if they're like this guy doesn't care about us at all It's a good question. I mean, I think propaganda affects Everyone and I think Canadian propaganda is a little more tightened down in control What they do with the truckers like for example like like the way Trudeau just openly labeled them as racist and misogynist, and then when people were donating to this trucker movement when they were trying to have this protest, they close down people's bank accounts who donated. I mean, that is third world country shit. [4:03] The fact that they think they can do that in Canada is insane. Have you seen the ban of news in Canada to where if you're located in Canada, you can't access news outlets now because the news outlets or the social media platforms featuring the news outlets refuse to pay Canada their own fee essentially. So if I'm in Canada and I go on Instagram and try to go to a news page that's outside of Canadian media, it'll literally say can't view on available in Canada. Yeah, it's crazy. That's nuts. That's like China. I mean, it's literally like what they do in foreign countries that are run by dictators. Yeah, yeah, dude. The bills, it seems like every couple of weeks there's some new gong show of a bill that everyone says is gonna wipe out creators off social media or for you to make Canadian content only, which is like this super nebulous thing that you have no idea. [5:00] Am I only gonna be able to talk about like maple syrup and beavers and shit or like what's it gonna be? to talk about maple syrup and bevers and shit or like what's it gonna be? You don't know. So that's a concern that somebody on YouTube especially. So yeah, but um. Yeah, I've heard concerning things that my podcast at one point in time might not even be available in Canada because of this. Yeah. That's a concern that this could be used in that manner to stop people from accessing Podcast especially if I'm openly critical of that shithole communist government. Oh, yeah, you definitely won't be on there Yeah, if you make Canadian of content then you'll get promoted though. Yeah, okay. I'll start talking about hockey. Yeah So I talk about George C. Pierre and hockey Does George still live in Canada or I believe he does he's here a lot He's here in Austin a lot because he trains with the Donna her squad, you know cordon Ryan and those guys So they're all out here. He's retired But like what's his current lifestyle now? Is it just like training and social media or well, you know [6:04] Fortunately George is a man of leisure because he made a shitload of money fighting. And so he's really well off and he doesn't have to do anything but he does enjoy traveling and training. And the guy still is involved in martial arts as just a vehicle for developing his life. So he is super fit. I mean, like top notch fit, the guy still does this rigorous exercise routine. He still trains with all of the, like these guys are professional Jiu-Jitsu competitors. So with the Donna, her team, it's a very unusual team. I know you've covered Gordon and the steroid use and all that jazz. And, well, I like about Gordon and he's fucking super open about it. You know like he's not hiding shit. Yeah. He's like look everybody does it. This is what I do. I'm the best. Yeah. And everybody's like but no. [7:01] But what they do is they train 365 days a year. Well yes. And that's one of the reasons why you need steroids. Like that is not physically possible with a normal endocrine system to be recovering from six and eight hour workouts every day, 365 days a year. You're gonna get break down. There's just no, I mean, I don't give a fuck how many ice paths you take. You know, these kind of training all day long. They're doing different levels of training, right? So they're doing weightlifting training. So most of Gordon's girlfriend was a professional bodybuilder. And so most of his is just size and build. It's not really like functional training. Like you see the old videos of Alexander Corellin, do you know who he is? Yeah, yeah. So you see that guy doing kettlebells and fucking, you know, shield cast with giant steel plates over his head. Cords are not doing any of that stuff. So a lot of bodybuilding stuff. [8:00] They do that. Then they're doing drills where they're just, they're analyzing positions and finding problems with these positions and they'll go over tape. And it's fucking meticulous, man. I mean, you have to have, I don't know if they're on Adderall, but I would imagine that would help, but something is very different about the way they train. And then they're drilling and then they're doing of course they're doing live sparring so they're doing the rolling they're you know they're they're going from certain positions they have goals to get to a certain position or to avoid a certain position and they're advancing faster than any group of jiu-jitsu people on the planet Earth but you have to be a fucking But you have to be a fucking maniac. You have to be a 365 day year, completely committed. You miss nothing. I'll give a fuck about your holidays. No one gives a fuck about Christmas. Fuck you. It's your birthday. Get in there. Everybody's in there. Is the goal, like I've seen them on UFC Fight Pass and some of these new mora, they seem [9:03] to be expanding in the reach. What is like the goal of the top guys in that sport? Is it typically to just stay at the top of the sport or do a lot of them transition to MMA at some point? A lot of them will transition. But a lot of them don't want brain damage. You know? They just don't, you know, I don't think Gordon makes so much money doing just jujitsu. I mean, he makes millions of dollars every year just selling videos. It's crazy how he still has, is it like actual DVDs? Like he has, he has like a media he sells and like DVD format I think? I don't believe so. I think it's a digital download. I would assume, yeah. I could have sworn somebody said he like sold physical DVDs. I'm sure he probably does that as well But I don't even know if I have it either that's why it seemed odd to me which is so crazy because I would have never thought that a Physical media player was just gonna go away Everything would just be in the fucking air. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's wild to see if you look at the evolution of consoles [010:04] over in the past like 20 years, it's like these little wild, I guess now would be perceived as like totally foreign to Gen Z or whatever. Well I'm old as fuck dude, when I was a kid I remember a pong. Yeah, I was a little kid and you could play a game on the television and it was nuts. Yeah. Nobody could believe it. You could play a game on the television and it was nuts. Nobody could believe it. And you had like this little dot that would go do do and you would like with your little scroll wheel you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot do do do do do do do and me my sister would play pong and we were like this is crazy. We're playing on TV. We're playing a video game on TV When's the what's the last game that you were Into or did you like stop yourself after it was doom right you know it's great? Quake sorry. Yeah, well, I didn't stop myself Jamie and I and Jeff a few years back We had a local area network room in our old studio in LA. [011:05] And it got to be a real problem, where it's just too much fun. So we would get out of a podcast at, you know, three-ish, and I would be playing till six, seven at night, and I'd go home. And I didn't feel good. I'd get out of there. I'd be frazzled. You're adrenaline's flying. Yeah, yeah. Jesus, crap, that fucking terrible. Yeah. I don't know what to find. Jesus, crap, feel fucking terrible. Yeah, it's like, I've ever heard of a Super Smash Bros. Yes. Okay, so my girlfriend got me what was, I guess, the best and worst gift at the same time. A couple of years ago it was a Nintendo Switch for Christmas and that game. And I haven't, I pretty much swore off games years ago because I just knew once I got into them, it's gonna fuck my days. Like it very much sapped my bandwidth and the dopamine hate you get from it is insane. It's like a drug essential. It's insane. So I played it and it was, it's probably the most addictive thing in my life right now. [012:00] So I need to, I'm highly considering just getting rid of it and getting it out of my house It's almost like junk food where you have to keep it out of the house to not go ham on it with the games It's the same thing, dude, and the the what the graphics now and all the colors and the vibrancy and everything Compared to pong back in the day. I can just imagine what it does to your expectation of like dopamine hits and then what other stuff in life feels like... Rho-ro-roward-wise, proportionally to it, it's probably like, fucking night and day compared to the pong days. Night and day. We were playing quick champ- it's quick champions, right? And this is the game that you play, you have headphones on, and you can hear sounds behind you, you can hear them to the right, to the left, super sophisticated. When you're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds, you have immersive graphics, you're running through these tunnels and rockets are flying over your head and lights the wall as the rockets are missing you. [013:00] I mean the shadows, everything. It's so insanely vivid and so fun this is quick And this is how fast it was too When you shoot people they turn into fucking mist Quiet squad power that gives you four times the power. Match of playing this? No, yeah. It's hours a day. And it's just like playing in teams where there's no real end insight because you never win the game. You just keep playing. Yeah, he started new to over and over over Over and over and over again. And then you can hop on these servers. So like if you're at home by yourself, you could just hop on a server and there's always people playing. What is the most recent iteration of the game? Yeah, this is the most recent. Okay. It's so exciting. [014:01] It's wild because this is what you're paying for. Oh yeah, dude. So this game is brutal because it has seemingly infinite amounts of maps. There's probably like, look at that shit. All the colors and stuff. It's like your brain doesn't even know what a process it at first. And there's, I don't know how many characters, like almost a hundred or something. And it's essentially the main or the most sought after characters or protagonist and antagonist or whatever from major video games. So you're basically getting to play with every most popular character of every game ever essentially. So even if you win a game, the amount of iterations of maps and players and different things you can do, it never really gets stale. So you're just sitting there over and over grinding through this thing with no end in sight. And the wild thing too is oftentimes I'm just playing against a computer, but I'll actually get pissed off when I lose. [015:00] Like I have to avenge myself and go beat the computer. So I'll be like, I'm gonna sit here until I beat this fucking guy. Even though it's not even a human. And then I'll burn an hour. I'll be like, yeah. And that was my mentally sharp, you know, one of however many hours. Well there's so many of these games like this. There's so many different styles of game. If you're into this style of game, or if you're into like half life, you ever play half life? Hard of it, seeing it, never played it though. It's a game about like some science experiment gone wrong that opens up some portal and aliens come out and you gotta fight them and it's in this laboratory and it's, and these games are so immersive. They're just so, it's like you're playing a movie that you're participating in with insane graphics and they're really well mapped out and planned out and they make them really challenging and exciting and if you're a person that's into those things, like you don't fuck all your free time, it's gone. Yeah, it's gone. [016:00] There's a lot of people that make good living inside of it, which is the crazy thing though. Oh no, that's what's weird now. So it's like, it's almost hard. I don't even know what it would be like as a parent to argue with your kid about if it's a good use of time or not. Because it's like, the kid could be like, I'm making more money than every other fucking kid in my class. Yeah, I might be making if you're data, you gotta get a job, some... Wait, you see how many Twitch subscribers live? Yeah. Yeah, you could, if you become popular and play games online, you can make a substantial living. So like if your kid was playing golf, and the kid said, I wanna be a professional golfer, you're like, well, are you winning tournaments? So do you have a chance here? Like maybe this is a good career path for you Johnny. Yeah. But no parent wants to go What the fuck are you doing League of Legends? Yeah, you're a lit my son's a League of Legends player on Twitch. What? Yeah, what did you do? Yeah, and you get you sit there and just rack up donations while you play. Yeah The thing that's wild to me and obviously people enjoy doing this. I'm not you know [017:03] And obviously people enjoy doing this, so I'm not, you know, shooting on it necessarily, but I can't fathom doing this myself is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours, but this is literally how it supports them as a creator is watching the live stream. So this means that there's thousands of people at home eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves. I'm just like, I would have never imagined that that would be a gigantic thing like this. Yeah, because it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level, because you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good. So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way, and you're just sitting there as an observer and somehow finding out worthwhile the truck money at the guy sit there and watch them for hours. I don't know, I just can't fathom it. And then there's a whole industry of hot girls in their underwear. Oh, video games. Yeah, or like, I think there's a whole section on, I don't know if you've ever seen Twitch, [018:01] it's a platform. So not familiar with, but I should for, you know, to understand what's going on with the gaming market. But like, it's like hot tub streamers or like inflatable pool streamers. And these chicks just like put on a live stream and then get in a bathing suit and sit in a like inflatable pool in their house and just like wait around and talk to you I guess and rack up millions over the year. Yeah, it's nuts. Some will sell the water that they were in. It's like multi-level supply chain management. It'll sell the water. Yeah. Bottle it up in front of you in Mason jars. Literally, Doug. It's funny because you say that as a joke, but it's actually what happens. Oh my God. Yeah, and they make bank off it. The number of in cells buying pond water, twitch streamers. Yeah. No, I can't even, I can't imagine like what mindset you would have to be into justify that purchase, you know? [019:02] You gotta be really obsessed with that person. Like do you get the jar of the mason jar and then you like jerk off to the water? Like, I don't get it. Yeah, probably use the water to jerk off with it. Utility or something. Yeah, there you go. I guess. I'm just guessing. Maybe they put it on a shelf. Well, that's Debbie's water. Yeah, sure. My favorite my favorite Twitch streamer. It could be an investment, I suppose, but I can't imagine that playing out. I don't believe that will be a worthwhile investment, but it's like, what are the numbers of men in 2023 that are single? It's something absurd. It's an enormously large number of people that are single today as opposed to in the past. Yeah, I've seen Chris Williamson has like He often posts like random statistics that he sees and sometimes the numbers I don't know where these surveys come from because they're often the most wildly specific things or we surveyed men and 40% haven't talked to a girl in three years. I'm like who are these dudes? [020:03] But I believe it. Yeah, so it's pretty wild. Some of the stats that I see this headline and I have a different interpretation of it though. Most young men are single in 2023. Most women are not. It's like when you ask the guys are like, no, I'm not tied up. But the girls are like, no, yeah, where we're dating. So the guys are lying or the girls are delusional? You at the same what's happening? I would be highly skeptical that there's that many like player dudes that are taking up the the matter. I'm not even saying players I just don't think that they're you know they're not locked they're not locked down you're not living with me you know right. I'm going to leave my tender account yet. Well that's the big thing? The options that young people have today, dating single people have today with these dating apps, is just if anything seems like you're not, and I don't like the way she said this, or I don't like the way he did that, you'll like move on to the next swipe. [021:01] Like you never get past this thing, where you try to like Manage how to hang out with each other because you know when you're dating everyone has a different personality Yeah, and some things that some people love other people like hey don't do that and you're like oh all right I didn't know yeah, I thought you like it when I opened up the door, you know like whatever it is It's like there's always gonna be a thing that someone doesn't like and you know like whatever it is it's like there's always going to be a thing that someone doesn't like and everyone has so many options today it's gotta be if you're an attractive person a woman or a man and you have a dating app today like the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options because those options in a dating app are just as addictive I would imagine as some video games. Oh for sure. Because you're engaging with new people. Have you ever seen a girl go through her tender to show like how absurd it is for what the demand is for them? Honestly I haven't. I've [022:02] seen the talk about it online but I've never seen you do it in person. You could have like a six out of 10, who would 20 years ago or whatever, not get that much attention if it weren't for social media and everything, going through her Tinder and it's like match, match, match, no match, match, match, whereas for dudes, it's like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, maybe match, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. So it's like literally 10% of the dudes are getting 90% of the chicks. And the supply-demand ratio is not there. So I think a lot of dudes are single, I don't know if they want to admit it or not, but it's because it's happened also recently with those apps. They've been getting caught using bots to pump up their numbers. I have heard of that. The dating apps will have like AI people and they're just doing it so they get more engagement. There's a lot of chicks that promote their only fans and social media on Tinder too, and that's how they're going about it. So they're not even looking to date, they're just looking to pump their socials [023:00] or like get a new only fan subscriber from some simp that thought they were interested. That's another one too right? I mean when do you bail out on that? So if you're a woman, let's say you're a woman and you're making, you know, some of these women are making $100,000 a month, just showing their feet and whatever. You know? And so all of a sudden you date this guy and you're really into him and it becomes a meaningful relationship and then this conversation comes up like, hey, how long are you going to show your asshole? I'm not going to be on only fans. Like, as long as I want. And then she's like, well, I make $100,000 a month showing my asshole and I'm like, only fans. She's like, oh, all right. Well, I don't know where this is going then. So, like, do you make that show your insult? No, I don't. No, I don't. Yeah, so then the guy has to be in this position where the woman literally makes like 10 times more than he does, showing her asshole. Yeah. And then he's got to somehow another convinced her to abandon that so they can live a life like a fucking Norman Rockwell book. What, let's just say, and maybe this is [024:06] too extreme of a hypothetical, but let's just say you're in your 20s, you're dating somebody, and she's an only fancy girl. Yeah. Is that a deal breaker for you? No, if I'm in my 20s, it's not. No. If in my 20s, first of all, I'd be like, how are you making so much money? This crazy, can I show my asshole? I'm always in my twenties. They didn't have to do it probably for gay guys, because women are not gonna pay. I would think that what I would do is just accept the fact that this isn't going anywhere. And then we're gonna have some fun. Okay, well, what if it's somebody that you thought would have potential as a serious long-term thing? Would that be the deal breaker that? I think you'd probably know immediately that she has an only fans I don't think you I don't think it would take long I mean I think if you waited a long time like if you're dating six to eight months like how do you have all these shoes like where'd you get this car like what do you do for work if it was one of those things you [025:02] know and then you oh you have an only fans. And then you were already in love with this woman. That would be, that would be an issue. I guess. Or maybe you just like shift gears and go, okay, I guess this is what I accept. I mean, it's possible. It's feasible for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach to what her only fans is and think about only as a, this is just a business thing. I'm just making, I don't want to work at Wendy's. And so I'm doing this and I am making extraordinary amounts of money and I'm going to invest this money in real estate and smart. You could, you could look at it that way. What would be the threshold of acceptable behavior on only fans though? Because it's like, it ranges from like bananas in your pussy. Yeah, it's the like. You could be just, from what I understand is a lot of fitness industry girls too will just, they're already almost nude on Instagram essentially. Right. And they will just post different iterations of, [026:02] you know, the same poses or or whatever if the same kind of clothes But behind a paywall and I guess some of the money they make is from talking to the dudes or the guys thinking they're talking to them Which is often like a that's what Anjutate right those Anjutate so things like having people pretend yeah, he gets he gets a lot of heat because I don't know I don't know if this is actually what he did, but what people are saying is he would speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her Which presumably a lot of girls outsourced to whoever they can get to do it or have I don't know some cookie cutter scripts or something Yeah, but um Yeah, it's kind of a weird but if you were doing that you would know exactly what to say to the guys because you know exactly what the guys want here [027:02] Yeah, if you're just running a scam I mean, it's not really gay unless you're getting aroused thinking about this guy's jerking off to your words which is a very gray area. Yeah, so I can't, it's a weird situation for sure. It's definitely weird. Well that's also the criticism that Andrew Tate has gotten about exploitation. So supposedly he would get these girls to fall in love with them and then he would get them to go and do this stuff for him. Yeah, it's wild. How much content he has that exists from back then that he's so articulate and well-spoken. Yeah. When he speaks about it, but then some of those videos are so vulgar and whatnot. Yeah. It's hard to, I can imagine the people who are very hard on them. You watch the old videos. It's pretty hard to decide with them when you see those. Yes. But also you got to think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention. You're trying to be as outrageous as possible to get as much people to think about what you're saying and [028:07] talk about what you're saying and engage with it. And the best way to do that is to be like a character and over the top, completely arrogant guy who's shirtless with sunglasses on smoking a cigar talking about hose, you know, and pimping hose. It's like, is it a character or is it really you? And then when you find out, oh, well, no, he actually does run these campsites and he does have these girls working for him. Okay. But then some of the girls talk, and go, actually he's really nice and he was kind and he gave me this business opportunity. I want to make him a lot of money with it it and you're like, oh, okay, this is complicated. Like how much of this is theater and how much of this is like, if it's your real feelings that, you know, these women are subhuman, little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from. Yeah, yeah, any interactions I've had with the guy before, he was, you know, super famous and whatnot. [029:01] I've always been positive too. Like super nice guy. Very intelligent guy. Yeah, super articulate. A super ordinary intelligent. Yeah. And, you know. His brother too. Doesn't, doesn't give as much credit, but. You know, they're very, very smart guys. But boy, but what did they tap into? There's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture. What men actually talk about when they're alone, when men are just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to not get yelled at, the wild shit they talk about. If you can be the most exaggerated form of that, this world champion kickboxers, sitting there smoking a cigar, making fun of simps, and that's very appealing because it doesn't exist. Like you're never going to see Donald CNN or NBC or it's not no mainstream media platform [030:02] is ever going to tap into this. What is obviously a lucrative market. Young guys who don't wanna be like their parents, they don't wanna be like their teachers, they don't wanna be like any of these people they see around them, that seem neutered and pot-bellied and fucking depressing and talking about equity and inclusiveness and they're like, Jesus fucking Christ. And then they see this guy and like, oh, I like that guy. Yeah. No, he's definitely inspired discipline and thinking action and it's like a disability for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like a more problematic version of like what Jocco does or different, you know what I mean? But it's also, it's different, you know, because it's like, you know, he's in the, he really is in the Pimpin' Hose business. And it's like, if you're running campsites like that, you're really, you know, farming those girls out [031:00] to make shit loads of money for you. For a bunch of suckers. I can't even imagine what the life of only fans, a manager, or something would be. This would gotta be a lot of them. Oh for sure. I know that there's a lot of people that they hire that manage the girls DMs. So there's like companies I guess. Is this the case? I'm pretty, I've just been told this. There's gotta be agencies that are you know turnkey we take care of it I really got offered to be a recruiter for one of those oh but I wanted to use my verified account I was like what is going side I mean that's sneaky but what what so where do we do DM chicks to offer them like you can be on only fans. I was like oh god Jamie Do you know how bad that would turn out? Like they don't fucking know that already like why would I have to tell them? So if I could convince him to do it. Yeah the return is I get a kickback of Their revenue. I just like I would just remember that as you guys are talking about it So when they contacted you what did they say like hey Jamie? [032:02] Do you know a lot of girls that are willing to take the clothes off? We've noticed, it's one of these DMs I get from multiple accounts for various reasons, but like we've noticed your account. You're, you know, I have X amount of followers, you know, you could probably be doing this kind of stuff on Instagram. If you do, you know, and how much would they give you? I don't remember I could check I feel like it was 10 20% something like that That's lucrative. Yeah, if you can get a bunch of really I've heard these guys are making 50% the managers do like they just split it That's the prize man. That seems crazy. Yeah, they're not doing anything though Like the girls don't do anything besides make the content and then the managers are running the account Still 50% seems pretty high is without without the girl you know how many? I think a lot of naivety around business operations though would definitely drive girls to think, I don't wanna deal with accounting. I don't wanna deal with this and I don't even know how. So yeah, by all means take 50, that's. [033:00] Especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says look, you can do this and you can make $3,000 a month or you can do this with us and you can make $150,000 a month. So yeah, you'll get 50%, we'll get 50%, but it's a much higher number that you're gonna be dealing with. And you're not gonna get there on your own and we have this vast network and we can also introduce you through other girls. Like other girls, this is my friend Cindy, like you'll see them do that on their Instagram page. Follow her and then, you know, they're just like pumping each other up, like comics would do. Like hey, go see Mike, he's playing at the Ha Ha, I'm really funny guy. Yeah, you know, Cindy's got a great pussy, check her out. I wonder who the Joe Rogan of Only Fans chicks is. It's gotta be one. Yeah, it's just like a ringleader of the ball puts them all on put platforms 48 million last year I think it's all right. Oh, I done that way I guess. Yeah, different way, but she's the top of Is the rapper? Oh, wow Jesus 48 million. Yeah, she's a god damn. So now you go show your ass. Oh, baby [034:01] I want a Ferrari. I think for 48 million, like you better be. Yeah. Well, also you could just do that for three or four years and you don't have to do shit for the rest of your life. Is the azalea, the new queen of only fans, not even Cardi B can match her racey content. Damn, she got a hot body. 48. There you go, 48 million, good for her. Jesus. Good for her. Good for her. Second. That's still pretty good. But here's the wild one, this Tyga, who's a guy. Is this like self-reported though? Like how do they even get these figures? They've shown those, most of these have come from them sharing the figure online. Like they'll take a screenshot or something. But I specifically each one. Scroll up, we can see the tomb. She's hot. I get it. It's like when you see, I don't know, like when you Google somebody's like net worth or something, it's like, yeah, because I actually what it is, I feel like probably not. But right here you can say that it says her net worth is 15, but she just made it worth it. Reportedly had a net worth prior to that. [035:04] 48 million from the website were at the 320% hike in our overall value. That's pretty good. Wow, wow. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense if you're just a business person and especially if you're a celebrity in that world, like the female rap world, like what's the longevity of that? You've got a few that hang in there, but I mean, how many like long term, rap females have been super successful? I'm a little ignorant in that genre. Yeah, I definitely don't follow it closely, so I'm not sure either. How's the Tiger guy making all that money? I would have to. He's got me intrigued. What do I have to do? I mean an extra 20 year Yeah, that's it pretty insanely high for a dude who probably doesn't post like porn videos right like what if we We had one episode of the JRE only fans where we did only in jock straps [036:03] How was that? Probably we need a jock strap camera maybe I don't know it would be like all gay guys You could say you're in a jock strap right now nobody would know that's true. That's true. That's true Women don't pay for guys though. There's just like this For Tyga who's who's paying for him? I've only heard there's a guy that's on the challenge his name is Dev and this TV show on MTV And he makes a lot of money doing that, but I think he said yes, it's all guys I feel like in less than a makes sense full blown porn for gay dudes to buy I would be very skeptical of 20 million Even if he's like a a list of love like that seems insane is tiger an a list of web Like in the Kardashian world, so he is yeah, yeah What I don't know what a list actually means by the way. I don't an A-list celeb? Like in the Kardashian world, so. He is? Yeah, yeah. What does he look like? I don't know what A-list actually means, by the way. I don't know what it means anymore. It used to mean nothing. Yeah. Or used to mean you were only movie stars. Jenner, I think he might have been with Kendall. He's on the screen. [037:01] That kind of makes 20 million a he said popular songs but I would imagine 20 million a year from only fans do we have any examples of his only fans content I got a paper that bro but there's got to be something you can find on the fucking reddit my understanding is they're pretty uh intense with making sure it stays off of that's behind the money goes uh so it says see this says he deleted his account oh so is the kind of meant him in a bunch of chicks That's what his thing is Because it's like who's paying for that, you know, that's just like Instagram hype content Well if it's him in a bunch of chicks, I could see how you can get guys to pay for that Oh, it's is rod hold up go back to that Go back to that click too many things real fast. I don't want to be staring at it. Go back to that. Go back to that. I clicked too many things real fast I didn't want to be staring at it. Go back to that. Maybe this one. Yeah. So He does show his cock. Well assuming by this one picture. How do we know? And read it that it's also him. But that also could be a filter. It makes his dick bigger. [038:03] Yeah, I bet they have that? They have lip filters? For sure. They have filters for your eyes, you give your eyelashes. If girls are doing that, you'd be insane to not do it. Yeah, you want to make some money or not, Tyga? Yeah. Get that dick filter running. Tyga starts only fans model management company and he's looking for clients. So he would also be incentivized to say he makes more from his own to exemplify how you know, right driving is. But are they allowing like self declaration? Tommy Lee's got his cock out. He's got that six-year-old fucking started this whole thing. Weathered CAC. So Tommy Lee joins only fans. So Tommy Lee is showing his hog Okay, I guess you can kind of get away with that of your Tommy Lee. Yeah, I guess I had a meeting with Tommy Lee once when you wanted to fight kid rock [039:00] Buddy mind is one of Tommy Lee's bodyguards Tommy Tommy wants to meet you. I'm like, okay So I go to one of their concerts when they when they were doing that show rock Supernova, do you remember Rockstar Supernova? No, what was that? It was like a television show where they put together a band. They're like made a band. Okay. And Tommy Lee was a part of it. Who else was in that? Where is that? Was that really handsome guy? David and Varro, wasn't he in in that too? I Was that really handsome guy? Dave Navarro, wasn't he in that too? Um, I don't know, but Tommy Lee was a part of it, right? I'll look at the pictures, I don't know. Oh, there's their names. So Lucas, Rossi, Gilby Clark, Tommy Lee, Johnny Colt, Jason Nusselt from Metallica. Yeah. So they had this thing. So I think we went to the concert. Good show. And then afterwards, uh, I got to meet Tommy and Tommy was like, I want to fight kid rock kick his fucking ass because like kid rock, a dated Pamela Anderson. Tommy used to be married to Pamela and it was so the answer. So they were trying to set up a fight like kid rock and Tommy Lee in a fight. [040:01] So what were you going to do? I was going to like introduce him to trainers. I just wanted to, he just wanted to talk to me about it. I did not know what he wanted to talk about. And so then when I got there, I was like, hmm. Okay. What do you, what's your lifestyle? Like how committed are you to do? Like how much can you train? Like how much time do you think you need to prepare? Do you have any experience at all in combat sports? Like do you just think you're gonna kick his ass cause you hate him? You know, and kid rock, like I'll put my money on that motherfucker, like he seems, he seems like a guy who's hit people in the head with a rock before. So who, why didn't that happen? Oh, I don't know, a lot of people, there's a lot of those things that people talk about that never actually take place because like the reality of it. Elon versus Zuck. I was supposed to fight Wesley Snipes. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was real. Like that was lawyers in negotiation. I was training twice a day for six months. That was fucking hard. I was so tired all the time. And I only got like a taste of what it's like to you know to train like an MMA fighter [041:07] Because I was I was training knowing that the fight was eventually gonna take place I was building up a base. Hmm. So I was kickboxing every morning and then I was doing Jiu Jitsu every night and I was doing it For six months. So why did fall through? I think as he knew I was gonna kill him. I think in the beginning, he thought that he would be able to stuff take downs and he would kick my ass and then he found out, no, I'm gonna talk about no champion. I'm a kick boxer. That's way better, it's standing up to him on the ground. And then I don't know what happened, but there was a bunch of different demands. Like, at first it was gonna be 50-50 and then you know he wanted to be 60-40 and I agreed to everything. So just and then finally it was like okay give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want. I'm like I'm gonna fucking strangle that guy. Let me get hold of him. Yeah and it never happened but I just wanted to do I just like this would be a perfect thing to do like he's [042:02] never fought never made before I would ever done it before this would be a perfect thing to do. He's never fought him before. I would never done it before. This would be fun and it'll make a lot of money. I just, the idea of this guy who had never had any competitive fights at all ever, that he thought he could do that. He's like, okay, you're not gonna know what that feels like. I might have done it a long time ago, but I've done it. I know what that feels like when the referee's looking at you. Are you ready? And then if that's a moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes DANG and you're like, oh shit, is this real? There's just gonna be too much weirdness for him to process. You know, I guess it wouldn't be good to have that Blimey's showing his history. Just kidding. No, no, I you know, I think he was doing a lot of blow if I had a guess, because he was in a bad situation where he owed a lot of taxes. And he had some advisor, those like, you know, one of those dudes that tells you, you know, it's unconstitutional to pay taxes. Look right here, there's a few of those guys out there that will get you convinced that, you know, they're not going to prosecute you. Because then it'll have to be revealed. [043:06] The taxes are against the Constitution. And there's a lot of wacky people that people fall under the influence of, unfortunately. And he want to go to jail. No, geez. Yeah, he want to go to jail for tax evasion. Damn, dude. What is time to Wesley's life's doing jail? Would the taxes are a weird one, right? Because if you owe taxes, like if they find that you don't just pay them back, they put you in a cage. Yeah. They did it to Lauren Hill from the Fuji's. Dude, it's like the most... I'd... Yeah. Here he goes. Slimes is convicted on misdemeanor charges of willful failure to file federal income tax returns in 2008 was sentenced to three years in prison. After an unsuccessful appeal, he served 28 months in federal prison. God damn. I think Shakira is also dealing with something like that right now. Yeah, I think she got off though. Really? Didn't some of the happen where she won her case? I think that's, was that in Spain? [044:05] Yeah, something like that. It's like I wonder what like getting off, like even in tails in that, because if they determined you owed a bunch of money and haven't paid, how do you, you just did and they didn't catch it somehow? Right. How much paper work do you have? You just struck a deal. She's struck a deal. She's struck a deal a lot of money to pay God damn yeah, except with the charges She accepted the charges and a fine of 50% of the amount owed more than 7.3 million is that pounds? What does that little mark? You know she got to not pay taxes and then paid half the amount. Hmm. How's that make sense? I don't know And an extra 500 oh you just pay an extra 438K and you don't want to go to prison. Yeah. That's got to be unique to where she is I would think right? Yeah, I think in America they try to make an example people especially famous people. Hey kids pay your fucking taxes. The IRS does not fuck around. Yeah. And it's a there's shady institution. They they go after you. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever had a [045:09] situation that was like fuck I need to get an accountant? No. Usually there's some sort of like from day one you're pretty dialed out of business manager for 25 years. Oh damn. Yeah. Luckily. Yeah, I've always wondered how you oversee so much stuff or if you just have like how you built the team under you. So, I've shared it. Yeah, you have to have real people that really know what the fuck they're doing that do this for a lot of other, you know, high income people. Yeah. Yeah, they know what they're doing. They make sure you pay all your fucking taxes and you don't have to think about it. You don't, that is the last place you want to be, is in the hole to the government. That's, when you're in the hole of the IRS, they start auditing you and find out even lying about this, or maybe you've been deducting things, you can't deduct. Like, shh. You start going up your ass with a microscope. It's not good. [046:01] And if they find out that you did willfully not pay taxes like snipes they fucking put you in jail man and they do it to make an example out of you because if you're a famous person like you know Lauren Hill or something like that how long did she go away for? I think she did a year. Oh jeez. Yeah it's crazy man they'll take fucking superstars and I don't know what her deal was if it was a similar situation where someone had told her, she doesn't have to pay taxes. Cause like, you would think that people that are making millions of dollars, well, you have to have some sophisticated people around you. But that's not the case. No, it's like, off and not. Here it is. Federal judge of sentence, Lawrence Hill, to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings. Damn. Which is crazy because she could have easily made that million dollars back for the government. Yeah. And they're like, no, go to jail. Jesus. Go to jail. So how do you vet? [047:01] Because obviously you have some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy, how do you vet that dude 25 years ago who has been great? I got very fortunate. He's very conservative. He doesn't fuck around at all. He's like, you don't want that smoke. You want to pay your fucking taxes. He does everything by the book and they're really good and they've been around forever. It's like, that's what you need. If you, it's like, you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady Jimbrose that might be handing them stuff that's getting popped for you, Sada. But yet it happens all the time. Yeah. All the time. There's a lot of weird guys that wind up being sick of fans and hang out in camp that could tell you this stuff they're using it in Holland and no one can test for it in America and you're like, oh no I'm good enough for it. The next thing you're taking it. Did you think about this that this was going on? Probably in the background of stuff that's very important in life. I did hear about it, but I didn't hear the detail. So it says Glenn Big Baby Davis convicted an NBA insurance fraud scheme. [048:09] And what was the scheme? My understanding without getting two into details is that once these players graduate, when they retire, they're still afforded some sort of pension. It's part of the pension, I guess. And based off of how they go and file things, certain they get payments for certain levels of whatever it is, doctors, dentists, whatever it is. So fraudulent invoices were created over X amount of years, and they were just taking the money, I guess. Mm. And they like, I guess a few players got wrapped up into it, but I remember reading about it was just like $1,000 a year, $1,500 a year, $2,000 a year. And it just adds up. Yeah. But these are guys that, you know, NBA champions made millions of dollars. The thing is you make those millions of dollars and then your career is over. [049:01] And you're like, oh shit. Yeah. And you got this lifestyle and you got a house and a big mortgage and a Rolls Royce or something. And you're like, oh. Yeah, I can just, how many pro athletes do you know that have been crushing it and then got way in over their head with lifestyle? A lot. A lot. I know a lot of fighters like that. And with fighters, it's also, you're compounding the issue of traumatic brain injury. Because one of the things that happens with people that have been hitting the head a bunch is they become very impulsive. They make risky decisions. They gamble a lot. They're real. There's something gets knocked loose. That's a real thing. It happens with football players. It happens with a lot of fighters. And those people, they lose their impulse control. It's part of getting hit in the head a lot. It makes you a little bit more reckless, which is really wild. Damn. Yeah. So if anyone needs that high level advancement, it's those guys. [050:02] But they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to right because a lot of these people are also very Headstrong, you know strong egos. They've been doing it their own way They become champions that way and to like adjust that shift in the way you think and say oh, I'm kind of a fuck up I'm a little wild with my mind I need someone to invest my money and then find someone's willing to do it when your career is already at this point, we're hitting three years from now, you're gonna be making zero money. Like if you're a 36 year old fighter, for example, and you're competing in the UFC, the odds of you being competing in the UFC in three years are so low, there's only a few guys. There's guys like Jan Behovitch, who's a world champion in his 40s, glover to share a world champion in his 40s. Like most fighters, by the time 40 rolls around, like Daniel Cormin is another example, rare. Very rare to be elite at that age. Most of those guys are done. [051:02] And when I see a fighter and I see like, a guy who's like on the way up 28 and he's fighting a guy who is established at 36, I'm like, ooh, this might be the one, because this might be the time where the wheels fall off. Because all those years of punishment on the body, you never know what's going on with injuries. Like it could be a neck and a back, a hip, a knee, something that fucks with them, it's not able to train properly. They can't make specific movements when they want to because it's painful. So even though they look good in their fighting, they might be compromised, like pretty significantly. There's guys that fight and they have fucking bulging discs in their neck that are giving them like nerve pains in their hands and if they get caught in a guillotine, they're fucked. Yeah, didn't you? You said recently, Usman, his knees are just destroyed. Absolutely, that's amazing. Destroyed. We were talking about it yesterday with Daniel. If you see the difference between Usman's upper body, he looks like a Greek god. [052:02] Yeah. And then you get down to his lower body, there's almost no muscle tone, their thin legs, their tiny legs. And a lot of that is because he can't do anything with them. His knees are bone on bone. His cartilage is worn out, he's almost no meniscus. He has to walk backwards downstairs. Damn, dude. Yeah, and he's a world champion. Has he tried? I'm assuming he's done like pretty much everything You probably sent them down. Yeah, he's gone to Columbia got stem cells But the the problem is and this it's a big problem with these athletes is that if you do get like my friend Shane Dorian Do you know he is? Yeah big wave suffer Shane just went down to Tijuana to the CPI which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico. He went down there and they told him, once you have this procedure, so he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body, smashing down the discs. [053:03] They told him, you're not doing anything for eight weeks. Nothing. So for a guy like him, it's like super fit and very active is like, what can I do? You can walk. Like you have to give these cells time to actually do their work. And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely aggravating all these preexisting injuries and conditions and stem cells are never going to get a chance to do their job. Like you've got to give this tissue a chance to reproliferate, you've got to give your body a chance to heal and it's got they have to go to work and if you're constantly beating your body up during that process it's not gonna work. You recently had it thought and you're taking how much you have to do the same thing eight weeks off. Yeah, you have to you if you're doing something like that you have like a pretty significant injury Like I would imagine this is the the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off and that's I think because they're going into his discs but I had a torn MCL on my left knee and [054:03] I got stem cells in it and then like a few weeks later I was training hard again like kicking the bag and doing more time kicking pads and it just kept getting It kept flaring up. It just what and then I said okay I see what the fuck is going on here and I know how hard headed I am I got to take a year off of more time and I took a whole year one year. I didn't kick at all And all I did is those knees over toes, guys, things and stem cells and now it's great. But I had to give it that time. I was just always re aggravating the same injury. It would get a little bit better at the point where it didn't hurt anymore and then when you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power, you're taking the mass of your body, which is in my case, is 200 pounds. You're exploding off the ground and then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad over and over and over and over again. It's just brutal punishment on your joints [055:06] if you've got some sort of a compromise, if something's wrong there. What was the recent treatment you had done, like what was it for? I had it done just a couple of days ago because I think what is overuse, I think it's probably like some sort of tentinitis in my lower back and it's from archery. It's from, you know, when you're pulling a bow back, I have two bows. One is 80 pounds to pull back and one is 90. And so I'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day. Over and over and over again. So it's this motion where my right arm pulls back and I'm anchoring in and then I'm locking it down. And a lot of that stability and locking it down and like maintain your posture is in my right lower back. That's where like everything sort of like balances out. That's like the full chrome or the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet [056:02] and that's what kind of keeps the stable and that was getting overused. To the point where I would draw my bow back and I could do it a few times and then like on the 10th time and 11th time it would start to flare up and it was becoming an issue. So I got some stem cell shot into that. So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now? I have to take some time off. I'll take a couple weeks off. Yeah. But I have an easy bow too. I have one bow that I keep at the studio that's only 60 pounds. And so that one doesn't seem to bother me. So I could do that. It's just like as soon as something bothers me, I stop. And then I'm doing the ice bass and I'm rolling it out. I'm shooting BPC157 in there. It's better. It's already pretty significantly better. Nice, yeah. That's a, so a part of your daily routine is like 150 shots. No, no. Like you said, every day, I've got 100 to 150. Oh, yo shots with the arrow. Yeah, yes, yes. I thought you'd be like, I'd see what five seven, that would be insane. [057:00] No, no, yeah. Every day is like at least hundred shots. So that's just here or where do you? I have a range here at the studio. That's an indoor range and then I have it in my house. I have an outdoor range. You got to show me around after. I don't think I've ever even seen the gym. Have you seen a gym? No. Oh yeah, we got a great gym. It's pretty dope. Public or? No. I'm assuming. Comedians and my security staff are the only ones who use it. And so it's like, you know, I've been doing these comedian workouts where I take these guys that, you know, they didn't talk about it for a while. They don't work out at all. And I'm like, look, come down. We'll have a fun time. We'll laugh laugh around a bit and we'll start you off real light. I start them out with just body weight exercises like we're gonna do. I do like a series of 100 push ups and 100 body weight squats every day. And what I do is that's how I warm up from my cold plunge. So I start the cold plunge, that's the first thing I do. And then I do, when some done with 100 body weight squats [058:00] and 100 push ups, then I can start working out because I'm pretty warm by then. And then I'll start doing my other stuff. And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the body weight squats and the push-ups and I'm like, don't, you have to do sets of 20. I'm like, if you could do five, if you could do 10, do five. Because we're gonna do five sets. And so you'll wind up doing I want to do in 25 body weight squats, which is not a lot, but I'm just trying to build them on a base. And then I had them doing very light kettlebells, you know, like 10 kilograms and you're doing swings. And you know, I'm teaching them how to rack and cleanse and presses. And then I worked them into windmills. And then once I got them going for a little, and then one day the rock came, so we had a serious workout and I'm like just everybody try to keep up but we're gonna get after it today. We do two outs. What? Me. Okay. Me. So the rock does your... Yeah, he did my workout. Okay. Yeah, which is cool to see him do because he, you know, I think what he mostly does is stuff that generate size. I think he does a lot of machines. Yeah, he seems like a like very bodybuilding focused and longevity for his joints and whatnot. And he did football, pro wrestling for years. [059:10] I mean, beats, you're a fucking body. Yeah. And all those guys that are retired pro wrestlers, he is unquestionably in the best condition. Like he's not like Hulk Hogan comes in. He's got a crutch. You know, and he's fucked up. He's got to walk with a cane, his back, he's at like seven. I think he lost four or five inches of height due to back surgeries. Cause they're just fusing all of this, you gotta think you got a little space in between each spinal column, and then that goes away, that goes away, that goes away, so everything is compressed compressed and then that creates all sorts of problems in your body Because everything's kind of out of a line now and then your back is one stiff rod because everything's fused It's fucked But the rocks avoided all that like he's in pretty good. He's not that mobile like we had him doing like windmills [1:0:01] You know what a windmill is you clean press with kettlebell, and then you go down like this, with your hand all the way down the ground, and then all the way back up. That was a struggle for him. Oh, I mean, he's pretty tall too, I can imagine. Yeah, he's huge dude. But he's just, he's doing mostly bench press squats. He's doing things with machines, leg curls, leg extensions. I think he does a lot of machine stuff, which is probably the safest way to do that shit. Does he usually train on his own with no workup partner? Yeah, he does. Yeah, every video he's like in a gym that's like been propped up somewhere. And it's still like, all the equipment is there, but there's no one there. It's like a mobile facility, I guess. Yeah, that's what he does. I mean, he has that and then he has this enormous place at his house. Yeah, so it's all machines. I mean, does have some dumbbells, but the vast majority of what he's utilizing is machines, which, you know, you really can get strong [1:1:01] and you really can get big with those. Yeah. But what those things don't seem to do is allow for coordination through use of movement that would give you functional strength. Yeah, yeah. A lot of it is you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic material. Yeah. Even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard and I would go to, I had to teach the kids certain different kinds of strokes and whatnot and my backstroke in particular, the mobility of my shoulder and actually being able to get it past my ear even. It was like I was smashing my head with my delt. And I couldn't even like keep a straight arm because I was so inflexible and it was uh that was the first time I noticed Damn, this is really limiting. Yeah. Yeah, like you become Athletic looking and like you could do things at a high level because you just you look good Objectively, but the actual athletic performance capacity is [1:2:02] Dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff. Well, certainly with bodybuilding, right? And if you see those guys that are competing in the Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine that there's much that they can do. Yeah, like that Tom Heveland. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's a great example of Jack this fuck huge and does a lot of like functional types stuff. Yes. What is his deal? Yeah, he's an interesting character for sure. Yeah. I think he's former special forces. He's, he kind of, I think he used to compete in certain strength events, powerlifting potentially. There is some videos on YouTube from a long time ago and his face is actually showing, which a lot of people don't know about. But yeah, he's like 6, 8, 350 right now I think. Yeah, he's trying to get to 400 pounds. Those is thing. Yeah, I think he did before. I don't know if he's still trying to get the 400, but yeah, the guy is a fucking freak show for sure. A real freak show. Yeah, and it's his equipment it's like you don't even know where it came from it's like is this a fucking piece of [1:3:07] a rail road equipment I know a lot of it is like shit he built and what's really crazy is most of the stuff he's wearing work boots yeah and like a fucking lumberjack shirt or some shit like look at this like how odd is it that he wears all these clothes while he trains. Yeah, I think there's definitely, I wouldn't wanna work out in jeans personally. Right. That would be the last thing I don't wanna wear. Like, why is he doing that? What is the mentality about? Like, I guess it's, it's gotta be, you just like the way it looks, man, I guess. It must be. Because it's certainly not for function or comfort or anything. Right, like why is he wearing work boots? Why is he wearing jeans? I mean, why is he never show his face? It's like the ultimate blue collar, you know. This one's wild. He carries a log while he's got offset weight. So the chain is wrapped around his right arm [1:4:00] and then he's dragging 100 pounds behind him. When Goggins ask who's going gonna carry the boats and logs, I show them this guy. No. I mean, what a strange thing to do. But he also is a big advocate of carrying things. Like one of the things he said, if you wanna get strong, take something heavy and carry it around. Yeah, yeah, and it's like stuff that actually would translate into, you know, real life. Yeah, look at this shit. Look at this guy who'll carry your groceries, bro. I mean, this is insane. This farmer's carry, he's like, how much weight is that? 410 pounds. He's farmer's carry. He's a huge fan. What's that, Jim? He's a huge hand for ten. That says farmers walk with 800. Oh my god. Now look at that. Look at those. Those are not weights. Those are like gears. Like what are those things that he's got on the sides? He's got like one plate and then the other thing looks like a gear. [1:5:00] So everything he does is like these really awkward movements, but then he supplements that with traditional stuff, like zertra squads, dead lifts. Yeah, I don't know why he's, I think his Instagram's private now too. Yeah, I don't know, earned or intake. Intake. Today's calories, 6,389 cheese Louise, which is like, you know, for his size, yeah, I can believe it. 100% he's fucking six nine or whatever he is. Yeah, I don't understand his like branding though around the whole don't show my face, private Instagram. Like, I don't know what it is. Cause like obviously the posts are to document progress and or inspired people or bring attention to programs or something but then it's like I don't know maybe he got a lot of harassment or something and how you get to see a wish. There we go. Fuck you guys at house. [1:6:00] Jesus. Get a size of that motherfucker. I think that's why he wears all those clothes. That's very distracting for what he's doing if he's just trying to show you how strong he is. You just like look out. Like look at this. He's doing an axle with two wheels on it. Yeah. Like what? Imagine it's driving by and seeing this guy. Just walking around in the fucking field. Yeah. Carrying logs and shit. Yeah, look at this. He's got two wheels on each side. He's doing these shrugs Very strange stuff. Yeah nice pulling things with his neck. I mean he literally looks like a superhero. Yeah, yeah I mean, this is jailhouse strong. Is it does he have programs that you can buy? I think I think so because he's got a website because that's one of the things in the out average this book series What is it go to it? I'm trying to do everything in once or No frills training gas station ready Amazon selling book series Jail how strong well Instagram [1:7:04] Hmm is jail how strong a website you go to jailhouse strong web Instagram Is jailhouse strong website you go to jailhousestrong.com that it's like a Facebook profile Go to jailhousestrong.com see if there's a website. Harold. Okay, so jailhouse strong is just as a peril. It's all him It's always giant back Yeah. It's always giant back. Okay. Yeah. He's definitely not overly promotional though. He almost wouldn't even know that he has anything. Yeah, that's what's really strange about it. It's like, what is he doing? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, man. He's getting people to talk about it. First, sir. Maybe that's part of the mystique. Brian Cald sent it to me first he goes you need to see this freak Yeah, and he goes you're Tom Havilland like no Just reads me all the details of like how big this guy is and all of his videos of him from behind Lifting insane amounts of weight. Oh, she is I feel like every year I'm gonna be asking the same question is Brian Calan on TRT yet not yet. Oh,, I don't get it. Let's see, wait in a part. [1:8:06] He's waiting to die. Literally. I don't understand it. Yeah. He claims his testosterone's fine. Oh really? Okay. Okay. I don't know who he's going to. He's like certain friends listen, and certain friends are stubborn, and they just don't listen. And you're like, okay, do it, you know, do whatever you want to do. With all these comedian guys, I was telling them forever, as long as they would listen. I'm like, if you have more energy, you'll be able to do more things in your life. Like, forget about what you look like, but you won't most certainly look better if you lift weights and work out and eat well. but maybe more importantly, you'll have more energy for everything you do in life, including go on stage. Like, I'm 56 years old. I still do two shows a night, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, that's six hours of comedy in three days. And I don't get that tired. I'm fine, because I'm fit. I eat well, I'm healthy. [1:9:01] I'm like, I have energy. I'm like I have energy like you don't have energy like you guys get tired doing one show What's your current? I don't know like supplementation and or like drugs for you know staying dialed or mentally sharp or is there is it just perfect diet or Well for supplementation I've recently had Gary Breck on the podcast. And I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends. I just started doing it. I can't tell, I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement. I also ordered one of his light beds, which seemed Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger. And there's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat. I know it's when I get on the carnivore diet. Your cheeks get kind of sucked in. You kind of look like shit because it's like, you don't have face fat anymore, which kind of fills your face out more. See your face starts getting kind of sunken in. His face did that at first and then it plumped up again. [1:010:00] I'm like, what's going on with that? And he's like, it's the red light bed. Like the red light bed increases collagen in your skin and you use it every day. And he uses it, he's got a routine that Gary Brecha does. What does he call it? The superhuman protocol, something, I forget what he calls it. Is Dana still, like I'm pretty sure he was on a keto diet when he was dieting down, is he still on diet? He says he's gonna be on that forever. He's like, dude, I feel so good, I have so much energy and so much mental clarity because I'm staying keto forever. He hasn't added carbs, cyclical, or animal protein. No, no. Cause that would definitely be like, he's holding less water in his face too when you have no carbs. Right. So that would be a big, you know Well, that's what happened with me for sure. When I got on the carnivore diet, that's one of the things I lost a shitload of body fat. Like I got really ripped, like pretty easily. I like this is kind of extraordinary. And also, the thing that's the most beneficial to me is the mental focus and clarity, which I did, I mean, I did it once before in like four or five [1:011:01] years ago, I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds. But I kind of always went off it on it, eat pizza, have pasta, one or two days a week, I'll fuck off, but I've been really good at it for the last couple of months. Like I had a slice of pizza last night, and then on Saturday night I had some sushi. The majority of my diet though, and that's rare. I won't do that again for another month or so. The majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs, and game meat, and bacon, and it's all just healthy fat. I'll still eat avocados and avocado oil, and I'll occasionally have a piece of fruit, but the vast majority of my diet is just animal-based. So you don't like this. I feel like last time I was here we were talking about like fruit and adding it around your workouts and whatnot Like is that sometimes I'll still do that. I'll have like a banana before I work out Okay, but it's not every day. It's like once a week Some like that the like or I'll have like berries and yogurt But most of my food is animal-based and when I do that I have a 100% [1:012:09] Recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally. Like when I do the pot, when I first started doing it again, I remember I came home once from my club and I was a little drunk and I was like, I can't drink every night this fucking club. It's just too fun. I'm hanging out with these comedians, we're at the bar, we're all laughing. You know, if anybody wanted to get a shot, all right, do a shot. And then I get home, like, God damn, and I gotta clean my act up. And I'm like, you know what, I really need to go back to that carnivore diet because that's when I felt my best. So I go back to clarity. And this is someone with me who already takes, I take this alpha brain black label, I take neuro gum, I'm already taking things that enhance my focus. But this is a difference, like a noticeable difference. And so that's when I decided, okay, this is how I'm gonna eat from now on. Because this just seems to be for sure [1:013:00] the way my body optimizes performance. Like there's no other thing that I do that has that big of an impact. Yeah, that's, when you wake up, is it like your waking energy levels are heightened too, or is it just a stability of those that don't wildly fluctuate throughout the day and they stay constant? Yeah, it's the stability. I'm always tired when I wake up, but then I get in the co- plunge and I wake right the fuck up. There's nothing, it's like the on switch. When you wake up in the morning and I always, I look at my phone, I fucking pet the dog, I'm trying to put it off. Do you still have the mental battles in the morning? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I always win, but they're there every fucking day every day when I get up to that cold plunge I'm like, should I listen to music? Maybe I listen to music this time and then I'll get my go I'll gonna go get my headphones so then I get my AirPods and then on what song do I listen to so it's all procrastination Yeah, but then once you get in there all that shit's bullshit and then you're just freezing your dick off Three minutes fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck and today was just covered in ice [1:014:08] I'm just pushing the ice aside and climbing in but when I get out after three minutes is just this Rush of endorphins as you just feel fucking amazing you feel great and then my mind's firing and then I'm in a great mood you feel great. And then my mind's firing and then I'm in a great mood. I just got to get through it. Do you still train right after? Yes. Okay. Today I didn't because today I was up really late last night. Like a bunch of people like Daniel Cormier came to the club last night and Gordon Ryan and my friend Anthony from the UFC and there was just like a shit, Michael Bisping was there. So we were all at the bar till like two o'clock in the morning. We were all just laughing and having fun. So I came home and I had some food, watched a little YouTube. I didn't get to bed till like 4.30. So I woke up at 11, just got in the cold plunge, did whatever shit I had to do to the house [1:015:00] and then made it to the studio today. Today's the rare day where I didn't work out right after the cold plunge. What's like a typical day in the life, is it like wake up, cold plunge, work out, then eat something in podcasts or like, okay, yeah, after that. Yeah, usually my first meal is at noon. Okay. Usually my first meal, I'm generally waking up in the morning saying goodbye to my kids, getting the cold plunge, starting my workout routine, and then my workout routine is always followed by sauna. So cold plunge starts it off. I heat my body back up through body weight squats and pushups, and then depending upon the day, I have a, I create my own routines. And I found that that's the best way to do it for me where I know like I Write it all down on a whiteboard and then I know like what I have been doing and I know like okay I Doing pretty well with this weight. Let's ramp this weight up a little bit. Let's change the reps [1:016:02] Let's add in these. Let's add in one or two extra, you know, kettlebell movements to this routine. You know, so I'm working out for an hour and a half or so. And then when that's over, I do the sauna for 20 to 25 minutes. And then, then I eat. Is that typically here? Like you come here or here? Typically here. Or when I'm doing these comedian boot camp things, when I'm bringing the comics in. So what I do is I'll tell them, don't try to keep up with me. Just, I want you to do like, can you do a chin up? Okay, if you can do a chin up, I want you to do one chin up. If you can do three chin ups, I want you to do two. Just do two, stop. I'm gonna give you like five them through these routines where they're not like struggling to pick up a fork the next day So you know, I started incorporating the torque sled. Do you ever use that? No, no, I think it's fucking fantastic We have a really we have a 40 yard strip of astroturf and then we have this torque sled and it's a resistance base [1:017:03] It's a really phenomenal sled because you don't have to put weight on it. You just reach down and crank the gears up. So you could put up a tremendous amount of resistance on it. So it's really hard to push and then we push it all the way down and then we pull it all the way back. Yeah, finding I would like to do sled, but public gyms often, it's you're that guy when you're like walking through the fucking middle of the entire walkway. Right. So there's only so much you can do with the flexibility on that, but yeah, I would like to do it at some point. Yeah, you kind of almost have to take the sled out into the parking lot or something. Yeah, a place to do it. I used to do it in my yard. I had one that I would do outside, just strap this weight thing around my waist, weight belt, and clip the cord to the sled. And then I would stack like 90 pounds on the sled and then just do a lot of it's doing it backwards. So I'd pull it backwards, which is really good for your knees. That's like what Ben Patrick, the knees over toes guy, what he recommends. [1:018:02] So I would do that a lot. but then I got the torque sled. It's just so much better. Yes, that's the torque sled. That thing's the shit, because you can change the gearing. And so like for a lighter person, you can make it a little bit easier. And then if you really want to go hard, you could crank that bitch way the fuck up and it's fucking hard to do. Yeah, I might start doing a reverse, it's like reverse treadmill walking. That's my favorite this way. Yeah, reverse treadmill walking is great too. Apparently it's like, maybe it's not, it's not as good as this obviously, but it's like I've had Patelr tendonitis for years and I've kind of just like left it essentially and the Knees Over Toe stuff, that's kind of like the next best alternative to sled work. It seems like yeah So I should uh Yeah, the knees over toe stuff is great. I do like with my body weight squats I do them on a slant board. Yeah, so my knee is going way down and I'm going all the way You know, ask to heels and all the way back up and it's made a giant difference in my ability because when I go [1:019:03] Elk hunting my ability to move around through the woods my legs have gotten way bigger just from doing that every day but also I add you know like goblet squats with kettlebells I'm doing lunges I'm adding a bunch of other things to it but the the consistent one every day is the bodyweight squats. Now the day goes by where I'm not doing a hundred bodyweight squats and a hundred pushups. Cause it's pretty easy to do. It takes 10 minutes, you could just do it. Just force yourself to do it. Who do you think is the most improved comedian body composition wise? Zero of them. Zero. They still eat terrible, but they feel better, which is the most important thing. So I've got them feeling better now in January. January? Usually do like a November or October competition with... ...certain October. Yeah, so October. But that's with Berkreicher and Tom Sigerra and Ari Schaffer. Okay. But what I'm doing with these guys is in January, [1:020:00] we're gonna do a carnivore diet only. So January is apparently World carnivore diet only. So January is apparently World Carnivore month. That's when I first started trying, oh my god. It's a thing where like if you know the other people are doing it and you're being held accountable and you declare that you're gonna do it, hop on and try it. So I'm gonna tell these guys for the whole month of January, I want you to eat nothing but meat and eggs. Just nothing but meat, eggs, fish, fat, get all your healthy fats, meats and eggs. You can have some avocados, I want you to be bacon, but I want you to just completely cut out all sugar, all bread, all pasta, all rice, all bullshit. And let's see how you feel at the end of the month, but you gotta commit to it. And so they're all on board for that. That is where they're gonna see radical body change. Because they're just gonna reduce their body fat. Your satiety level from just eating me is so different. [1:021:01] It's crazy. People that have a problem over eating, like I have a problem over eating. Like I have a problem over eating. Like if I have a pizza in front of me, I will eat that fucking whole pizza. If I have a bowl of ice cream or a carton of ice, I'll eat the whole carton. It's something I've noticed is a portion control of like men versus women. I don't know what it is, but like dudes, it's whatever's in front of me. I will decimate the whole thing. But for girls, it's like, oh, I'll have a little piece of this I can't wonder if they're doing that around us and how they are because it's not bad for a guy to overeat in front of one Right, you know like if a guy has a sits down for it with a 22 ounce cowboy rib eye and a side of mashed potatoes like No one no woman is gonna go, what are you doing? Yeah. You know, they don't. So you think they secretly want to decimate it too? I think so. I think, especially when it comes to like carbs and pasta, I think it's just human. What do you do for, because it's interesting, because Peter at Thea, for example, is known as, [1:022:01] like one of the foremost longevity experts he's seen as you know the go-to guy for a lot of uh I don't know people seek education from his content and whatnot. Yeah. But even him with his dialed in practices and whatnot if the stuff is in his house he will still go off the rails so he last time I talked to him he was mentioning how him and his wife were having an argument about keeping drumsticks in the freezer for their kids because When it's there he just slams three of them and it's like pisses them off So now he has this deal where he just takes this kids to ice cream whenever they want ice cream rather than having it physically in the house Yeah, would it like obviously you have kids. How do you handle that? Well believe it or not my kids eat really well Believe it or not, my kids eat really well. Especially my youngest daughter has really gotten into fitness and it's kind of the strange shift where she gets up in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school. And she'll run 10 miles. Wow. It's not, dude. It's been watching Guggen shit. I don't know what it is, man, but something switched in her. [1:023:03] You know, it's been pretty recently, like over the last five months, she's super consistent. You know, I mean, it's very strange. Like I'll get up if I have to get up early and it's like 6.30 in the morning. And she's in the fucking gym. She's in the gym riding the treadmill. She probably helps you as well for like, well it's inspiring. Yeah. And I'm proud of her It's because no one's telling her to do this and then she you know what happened she got a fit bit She said I want to get a fit bit and so we got her a fit bit and then she's like hmm What's the what's a what's a step goal that more most people have and so she's been getting like 28,000 steps in a day Holy Holy shit. Dude, she's amazing. That's crazy. It's nuts and her body's changing. The only time I get that is if I'm in Europe on a vacation or something. Right. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Well, she does sports. You know, she does volleyball and basketball and soccer. She does a lot of different sports. Okay. But she's noticing also that it's an improvement in her sports. Like she's not getting tired. When the other girls are getting tired, [1:024:05] she's like, let's fucking go. It's kind of interesting. But it's also, it's so weird how your kids will just, like something will snap into them and then they'll be really into this thing and then that becomes the new part of their life. Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest reasons for using those trackers and whatnot, like gamifying it is, I think for some people kind of the thing they need to make it interesting enough to follow and want to beat personal records and whatnot. Yeah, so it's kind of interesting because that, I don't know, you're obviously familiar with Brian Johnson, we talked about him before. The, not Brian Johnson, Lever King, Brian Johnson, the billionaire vegan longevity dude he has like this age tracker that tracks his chronological versus biological age and he has like this leaderboard where people are also competing against each other for rate of aging and this leader [1:025:03] board is constantly shifting with all these people who are getting on board trying to optimize whatever biomarkers they can and their exercise regimens, supplementation diet, etc. and it's the biological clocks are kind of not founded in science necessarily, but is it measuring telomeres? Like what are they measuring? It's it's like a methylation so it's as much as you could point to The results of it and it would show an outcome that reflects a rate of aging that is Potentially slower than what your normal chronological aging would be which is you know like one year equals one year You could be point six per year if you were doing everything amazingly potentially. But still, that is highly manipulatable via very, very acute changes. So if you do something, for example, if you're super healthy for even one or a few days, you could change the result of that plus minus like 10 years. [1:026:03] So often, I think there was one study where the same guy has tried multiple different tests and each test had a different result based on just what they were doing at the time. So it was like, obviously if it was a legit tracker, it would, your age biologically would not shift 10 years every day. It would make no sense. Right. So anyway, this leaderboard though, although the science is kind of, you know, not necessarily founded, it's cool to see the gamification of it where people are at least trending with things that are improving their state of like quality of life, performance, et cetera. So as much as like the whole, like the problem with it, obviously, is when people start to monetize the age clocks and start to Sell you supplements and shit around it to try and help your biological age drop faster or whatever, but overall People are tracking this stuff and getting meticulous about trying to beat each other. They're competing to get as healthy as possible [1:027:02] Doing all the right thing. So yeah, it's pretty interesting and he's to get as healthy as possible, doing all the right things. So yeah, it's pretty interesting. And he's constantly talking about how he's like, you know, top ranked and fill in the blank metric. Isn't he on the vegan diet as well? Yeah, which is, it's really interesting because like some of the stuff he does, I think is greatly, he's putting out good information, but then sometimes it's like, I think it's total calorie intake is like 2,250. His protein is like barely 100 grams, which for your body weight is not that great. And then obviously the value of the protein from the vegan diet is questionable, depending where you're getting it. And then on top of that, he's using testosterone to maintain his hormones as they're suppressed the via the diet model he's on. So he like, he has all these metrics that he touts as, you know, check out my improvements in these biomarkers and you'll say I'm top 0.01% in grip strength for my age or top 1% in, you know, liver markers or what have you. But then you'll be like I'm top 1% in testosterone and it's like, yeah, you put it in there. Yeah, like no shit, buddy. [1:028:06] So he could be higher than that if you want. Yeah, you can manually change it tomorrow. Yeah. You could be top 0.01%. Yeah. But, yeah, overall the stuff he's doing is, it's interesting and people, overall like the gamification of it, I think is good to keep people, I don't know, make it more interesting and wanna actually improve. I wonder what led him to try the vegan diet, because if he's so meticulous about monitoring his nutrition, his supplement intake, he's gotta know that the most nutrient-dense form of food is meat. Yeah, but he has like 7,000 supplements, so you can just make up for it. Can you? I don't know, dude. It's a, I wouldn't- Can you kind of could? I was definitely, what do you think? Nuddy putting extra virgin olive oil. So my understanding is based on whoever he has on his team interpreting nutrition literature and drug literature as well, will dictate his choices of what he's doing. [1:029:01] And I think he also has like an ethical stance on meat consumption to some extent. Oh, okay. But that makes sense. He also claims that every calorie he eats has intent behind it to where it's driving like the highest value from a longevity perspective, which is questionable obviously when you're looking at like, like what the fuck are some of these meals, right? Yeah. Just his dinner at 11 a.m. Yeah. Yeah. What? So what time's he get up? 12 o'clock, 1 a.m. What the fuck? So maybe he has one of those restricted calorie eating days. He intermittent fast for a big chunk of the day and then he compresses it and makes sure it's far enough away from going to sleep to not mess with his sleep quality. And then he has apparently like one of the best whoop sleep scores on earth, supposedly as Woody Claims, which you know I wouldn't doubt his legit, but I mean like that's an example too of gamification, which is cool in my opinion is when you can track trends in, [1:030:01] oh last night my heart rate elevated by X amount, which is abnormal, why did it happen? Oh, maybe it was that I ate this snack that shitty for me five minutes before I went to sleep and then my body temperature elevated. It was harder to get to sleep and my heart rate's trying to, you know, I'm metabolizing food, well I'm literally trying to sleep at the same time. Like there's stuff you can see in the feedback, which is cool, because you wouldn't dig into it yourself otherwise, necessarily. So when you have it in this nice laid out, like visually friendly format too, and it's giving you notifications, hey, tonight you should probably stop eating two hours before sleep, or what happened yesterday, your HRV is lower, and perhaps focus more on recovery. Like that kind of stuff, I think, is cool. So it is cool, and that is one of the aspects of these fitness trackers that some people have said can be an issue because they have the same sort of addictive qualities that video games do because you're chasing numbers. You're chasing steps per day, calories burned. [1:031:00] It could go off the rails for some people. Yeah. But at the same time too, I know a lot of people who would never get 10,000 steps if it wasn't on a tracker of some sort. Yeah. The trackers, we used to use, when we did the Sober October Fitness Challenge, we used the MyZones tracker. Okay. Have you seen that one? No, no. It's a, you wearing a chest strap and it gives you points based on how much energy you exert and how much time you spend at like 80% max heart rate. So what we feel we realized when we started doing this challenge, like the challenge was for someone to get the highest score by the end of the month. What we realized is like burning it out in the red, you don't burn, you can't go as far so you can't do as many calories in a day and you can't go as far, so you can't do as many calories in a day, and you can't get as many points in a day. It's just too hard, your body breaks down. But you can stay in the yellow for a pretty long time, and the yellow is like 140 beats per minute. And so it ramped up while we were getting a certain score, [1:032:01] like 200 a day, 300 a day. And then one day Ari realized you could watch movies on an iPad while you're on a treadmill. And you just keep going. Isn't it weird how sometimes common sense stuffed totally escapes you? And then all of a sudden you realize one day, I could have been fucking, yeah. Doing listening to music when I'm in the cold plunge or something? And so instead of just straight suffering through the cardio, you're getting engaged with this film and it just becomes normal. So you're just breathing heavy while you're watching apocalypse now or something. That's like got you riveted. And so Ari racked up a big score one day, like 400 points. We're like, what the fuck did you do? He's like, sorry boys, game changer. I realized you watch movies while you're on cardio and then we started going really crazy. One day I did seven hours of cardio because I wanted to break the guys because Bert Christch was talking shit. So I did seven hours of cardio and I ramped up an 1100 score for the day. I set off the fire alarm in my gym from sweating. Holy shit dude. Yeah, I got a video of it. [1:033:06] There's puddles of sweat on the ground where it looked like I threw water everywhere. So I'm constantly drinking water and electrolytes like constantly and sugar. I was drinking like cans of Coca-Cola, root beer. I just needed some form of like quick easy calories while I was doing it. Give me some volume on this. From my workout. Then I set off the fucking fire alarm. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that was when I was walking watching John Wick like 50 times in a row. I was walking, watching John Wick like 50 times in a row. But yeah, like that was, I mean, that was October in California, so it's like, wasn't that hot out, it was like normal temperature out, and I'd made that room so hot just from my body weight that the steam from my body set off the fire alarm. [1:034:02] Have you ever got a walking, like a standing desk before? No. So one of the most wild things I've seen, and maybe this is more common than I know, but Ben Greenfield, the longevity biohacking dude, you've had him on a couple of times, I think. Yeah, he, essentially every time he's doing a podcast, he's walking on like a treadmill with his desk in front of him or walking outside so the guy is literally never not in motion, essentially. I don't know how many steps he gets in a day, but a lot of people maybe in that space, like the biohacking niche, are literally raising their desks, shoving a treadmill underneath it, and making sure they're getting steps while doing emails or while podcasting, which is pretty wild. I think that makes sense. I mean, if you could just walk around and do podcasting, you could do that. But for me, my desk at home in particular is for writing. Yeah. And I couldn't imagine writing standing personally. [1:035:01] I need no distractions when I'm writing. I need a blanks, like I use focus mode on Microsoft Word where you don't see anything, no notifications pop up, you don't see your tray, you don't see anything. I just see the text on the screen, that's it. That's the only way I can do it. And then I have to really like lock in for hours just doing that. If I was walking, it would just be another thing that my body would be occupied in that would take away the resources from thinking. Did you ever get a burner phone that has no apps and stuff? I think you were talking about that. I have a phone that has no apps. Yeah. Okay. Has it made a big difference? It makes a difference. But my friends still send me these fucking Instagram links and I still remember. I have two numbers now. Okay. And the old one still has Instagram on it and all that jazz, but it significantly cuts down on my use of it, significantly. Yeah. Because most of the time, see this is what I found out. If you have two phones and one phone, if you have an iPhone and one phone, the iMessage [1:036:02] is hooked up to your number and the other one, the iMessage is hooked up to your email account. You still get all the text messages from the old number because they're going to the iMessage email account. So that's how this phone is set up. So you really can't call me. Okay. But you can send me text messages and the text message will go there. But I also found that if someone calls me on the other one and I have this phone hanged up to the email account, the phone with the email account will ring. And they're not even calling the same number. Oh Jesus. Yeah. That's annoying. I didn't know that. Did you know that, Jamie? It's a setting. It's a setting. Setting you turn off for on yeah, so I so I toggle it there. Okay. Yeah, so I'll switch it back Just to the phone number and then nothing comes through you. It's a good hack as Alex or Mozi if you guys know yeah, she's a like a business entrepreneur Content creator super jacked. Yeah super fucking jacked and he has this hack that [1:037:03] He mentioned where you basically go into your color filter settings and you set it to grayscale and just like that Instagram is like 50% less enticing to fuck around on. That makes sense. Yeah, so next time you're on the toilet you pull out your phone, it's like oh shit it's black and white I don't care about this. Yeah, it's a time suck boy and I always trick myself in the thinking that I'm gonna get something out of it for material There's got to be something that I connect with here that's kind of like what and I'll get one of those every 10 days 15 days yeah, but those other days is just nonsense Yeah, it's just look at it muscle cars and fucking nonsense Just look at it muscle cars and fucking nonsense. Yeah, I don't know if it's the algorithms or changing or what, but the explorer feeds are kind of fucked up now. Mine are all murder. Dude. That's my Twitter at least is basically that. Yeah. Yeah. Twitter's wild under Elon. [1:038:02] You see that interview he did with the New York Times the other day? Oh yeah, he would like to learn the fuck yourself Yeah, let me be clear Go fuck yourself dude. How many times on my platform? Go fuck yourself How much has he changed since you first met him to now because at least based on podcast Behavior he seems wild wildly different and more loose and bro-ish He's having fun. He's a fun guy to be around. Like, and he was here, last time I was here, he brought his son and he's hanging out with, he's like a fun guy. He's not like, people have this idea, he's this like fucking serious driven businessman which he most certainly also is, but he manages it all really well. Like he's always laughing. He is on a good time. Off camera the first time he met him too, or it did it kind of was like a warm up period. Well, I think there's a warm up period he has to get to know you and know he can trust you. I mean, when you're in the richest guy in the world, it's probably a lot of people cutting angles on you and it's probably it's really odd. But what I did notice is that the first time [1:039:06] we did the podcast, when I first met him, he was super loose and relaxed. Like he has his fucking, he brought me a blowtorch that I'm not a, what is it? Not a flamethrower. Boring, yeah. Yeah, if you're gonna be a company name is. So we, so he's, there's famous photos of him in my studio firing off this fucking flamethrower with 17 feet of fire coming off the other this in the middle of our lobby He's just wild, but I guess when you have that much money You're not you really have zero concerns like you could just be you're that guy, you could just be kind of a silly guy. He's just fun. He just likes to have a good time. And on the podcast though, it took a while to loosen him up. I think the, there's also like, there's a thing that happens to people in the come on podcast, at least this one, [1:040:02] where the scale of it hits them. Yeah, it's like the UFC championship of podcasts that you essentially. Yeah, it's like just the numbers of people that will be paying attention. Yeah. You know, but once we started drinking, we had a couple of glasses of whiskey and then things got loose, then we're having a good time, you know? Yeah, one thing that's really good about this, I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how chilled the setup is with you guys, it's like, I've been on podcasts where it's like, I feel like I'm on a, I don't know, like the news or something, or it's some like big production. And it's pretty intimidating when you have seven camera crew guys running around you every two seconds and there's, you know, seven different camera angles that you're thinking about, and oh, don't shift this way too much. Oh, don't do this. Yeah, and here it's, I think a lot of people would be surprised how chill and laid back the whole setup is. It's by design. Yeah, it's definitely the most conducive to a real conversation, I feel like. Yeah, you don't want a bunch of people in the room with you. I've done people's shows where they have people in the room. I go, do you understand that these people are distracting? [1:041:06] Yeah, it's like, it's gonna take away from the conversation. I think a lot of people, and I'm not a pro-podcaster by any means, but I think they're of the opinion that higher production value consistently, no matter how high it gets, equals better, without thinking about the detriment that has of the actual conversation and it becomes very manufactured. Yeah, well I think particularly with this kind of podcast, you have to be aware of what are you making? Well what you're making is a conversation that you want to be as easy to listen to as possible. So you want the person who's the guest to be as comfortable as possible, you want to give them as much space, you don't want to interrupt, you want them to feel good You want everybody to be having fun and be friendly and to have them be the most relaxed so you can have an enjoyable conversation That you would digest if you were on a road trip or you're on a treadmill Like that's what I'm trying to do and the only way to do that is to make people comfortable and the only way to make people comfortable [1:042:01] Is to not distract them. So when I do some people's podcasts and they have like literally a glass wall and this is a control room and you see people running back and forth and they're holding up pieces of paper and they're timing things and there's five different people in the keyboards and I don't know why they want to do that. I don't understand like obviously not everybody's Jamie and one of the things about having a guy like Jamie, it streamlines the process so well because Jamie does a job of three people, at least. There should be three people doing what he does. There should be one person that's Googling, one person that's switching the cameras, another person that's monitoring the sound levels and overseeing everything and making sure the lighting is good and everything is going smooth. You would have multiple people doing what he does. So you mentioned 25 years ago you got a great financial advisor. How did you guys meet to get this whole setup? I just met Jamie at a comedy club. Yeah, Jamie came to show at the ice house and you know we were just talking, just hanging out. He told me he's a professional audio engineer. [1:043:04] And he was saying we have problems with our sound. was talking, just hanging out. He told me he's a professional audio engineer. And he was saying, we have problems with our sound. And I said, what would you do to fix it? He goes, I could take a look at it. And that was kind of the extent of the conversation, right? Yeah, mostly. Pretty much. And then Jamie said he took a one-way ticket from Ohio to come to LA, because this is what he wants to do and I was like really but it was like it seemed to me and I For whatever reason I tend to follow instincts even if people say don't do that What do you do? I'm like? I don't know this seemed like the thing to do and like with him I was like I think I'm gonna hire that dude Mm-hmm and then right away guy didn't even know I didn't know shit about him He could have been a fucking serial killer. He could have been a fucking con artist. I mean, did we do a background check on you You'd have to tell me that There were talks of it, but I don't think we probably did to make sure you're not a criminal I did sign something. Yeah, um, but then [1:044:00] Right away. I was like yep. I was right. What was the man? What episode? right away. I was like, yep, I was right. What was the man? What episode did you come in on? Jamie's been here for nine years. Yeah, 11. 11 years. But like there was some episode number where prior to that, I don't remember. The audio was shitty and everything. Came in around 300. Okay. Yeah. 200 was when I started. Yeah. But again, not everybody's Jamie. Yeah. But Jamie is Jamie and I are like kind of telepathic in this weird way. They're like, I'll be talking about something and Jamie will already have it pulled up. Like I'll start the conversation. I'll let, did you see this new jet and then all of a sudden Jamie's got the video pulled and you'll see GESCO, how the fuck did he, how'd you do that? Did you guys plan this? I'm like, he's the man. He's like, we have like the best working relationship in that regard. And you know, like, I have other friends that run podcasts and they're always complaining. They're like, you know, the producer chimes in too much and interrupt sentences, they get things wrong, [1:045:02] they fuck this up, they do that wrong. They don't show up on time They're late with their video editing or whatever the fuck it is It's always something yeah, and Jamie and I just have it dialed in but again. It's a skeleton crew We have one guy who's a video editor. We have one guy who's a booking agent So it's like Because everyone would be wondering who has a podcast like how do do you find a Jamie or something that is high level positions. Even for companies you have, I've always wondered how do you find the people to run those so you can actually do what you do best. Yeah. Well, the comedy club's a good example. With the comedy club, when I started that and I came out here to Austin It was like the universe had opened every it was like you know you're driving sometimes you hit every green light Yeah, it's like it's right. Yeah, it's meant to be it's amazing Yeah, that's how the comedy club was it's like I realized that [1:046:01] You know, I'd always had this idea that I wanted to eventually get out of LA And as my youngest daughter started getting older, I was like, I do not want them growing up in this fucked up materialistic, fame-driven, bizzaro world of LA. Because it's not conducive to becoming a healthy human being and developing discipline and being present. And just having a well-adjusted, well-balanced adult human being. This is a fucking mess over here. I see these people that are adults that are raising their kids. These are grown up babies raising babies. This is fucking madness. I got to get out of here. So when the pandemic hit and then the riots were hitting and then there was fucking zero police presence and there were Keeping all these businesses locked down and all these restaurants these guys I knew that run restaurants They were all going under the comedy store was going was fucked that we're letting them host any shows There was no stand-up to be done and we came out here in May of 2020 and initially I was thinking [1:047:03] Maybe we'll get a vacation house and we could visit here and go and then my kids wanted to live here like right away because when we were in LA everybody had a mask on and you couldn't go to a restaurant we came out here we're eating a restaurant in May of 2020 and I remember my kids like I can't believe we can sit down in a restaurant we don't have to wear masks like they checked your forehead when you get in there to temperature. It was all nonsense. Like, what's your temperature? Like, sure. And then you sit down, you eat, and everybody was fine. And then a few weeks later, they just let loose everything. They're like, yeah, no restrictions. Go back to life. And Gavin Newsom's like, everyone's gonna die. What are you doing? And they kept everything locked down forever kept kids out of school forever? So we came out here and when we came out here we started doing stand-up So I started doing stand-up with Dave Chappelle at Stubbs, which is outdoor venue We did it very responsibly we tested the entire audience the audience had to get there an hour before the show Everybody got tested we really only wound up filtering a small handful of people out the test of positive for COVID over the course of, [1:048:07] like, however many shows we did there. And then we started doing shows indoors. And when we started doing shows indoors, that's when I was realizing, we really need a comedy club, like a real comedy club here. Because comics from LA started moving to Austin before I even had a club. Because they realized that I was doing shows here and that we could all do shows together. So I'd be like, come down, do a couple shows. So I'd fly them in, they do the podcast, they do a few shows at the club and they go, this is fucking amazing. So we're doing comedy again and then they started moving here. And then the comedy store was shut down. So because the comedy store was shut down. So because the comedy store was shut down, all of the best employees were unemployed. So I contacted the talent manager. I contacted the manager. I contacted the bar manager. I contacted all these people and I said, hey, I'm gonna open up a comedy club, but I wanna hire you now. And so I'm gonna pay you, you'll fly to Austin. [1:049:03] I'll give you money to relocate and then you'll get free money for like a year and a half. You'll get paid a full salary, you'll insurance everything. Just come here and we're going to build this club together. And so everything aligned perfectly. So that when the club was open, we were dialed in, the people had already lived here, like Kerry, our bar manager is amazing. And she literally recruited the best waitresses and bartenders, brought everybody in. They got up and running and we were smooth within a week. So it was like finding her though, is that you or me? I knew her. Okay. She was a good friend. Yes, she is. She was my friend at the comedy store for years. Like we always hang out together and have drinks after a club. She was just cool as shit. And she was really disciplined. And she was really good at keeping creeps out of the comics bar and making sure that everybody wasn't being infringed on. Cause there's a comics bar at the comedy store and it's literally [1:050:05] Mitzi's bar. She has a bar from her home that is in the comedy store, comedian's bar. And that was our place we'd go in between shows and after shows and we would all hang out there and it was just fun. It was just laughs and this and that. And I'm like, that's gone now. When we were in Austin, I'm like, I need to recreate that. And I needed Kerry. I needed Adam, who was a talent coordinator. He needed all these different people that understood how to run a club, but had been doing it at the highest level at the store. And they were all available because they were unemployed. So it was like, everything was perfect. Everything was perfect. It was like, all these doors just opened up and then bam. And so when people say, how'd you put together this comedy club? Like, I don't know if I could have done it any other way. Because if I had a star from scratch and all these people were employed and they didn't want to move and LA was going great, I wouldn't be able to recruit them. [1:051:00] I wouldn't be able to say, hey, leave your whole life and all your friends and come to Texas. Yeah. But it was attractive, you know, three years ago. So overseeing it all is a kind of just, like you have high level people who take care of it and you can just focus on your comedy and the fun shit, essentially. Yes. I mean, there's a few issues that I have to deal with. There's some decisions that have to be made and there's problems that have arisen but nothing major. It's pretty manageable but it's because the team is really good and if I didn't have good people and also people that are legitimately my friends. If we never work together again, I would still call them, we talk, we'd hang out, they're all my friends. So when we started working together, putting together this club, it was pretty easy. It was like, again, it was like the universe set everything up. Said, you know what the world needs is a new hub of comedy. And I think you could do that. So we're going to like align all these things. [1:052:02] You could do this thing that's completely separate from Hollywood. Which was always the problem in California. You would see these talented comics that would start watering down their material because they were starting to get television shows. And so guys who were wild when they were younger, they would say hilarious, funny shit that was like really risque. They curbed that. And they started becoming a little mediocre, just a little soft around the edges. A little, they nerfed all the hard parts of their act. And, because they were connected to this machine, this fucking woke bullshit leftist machine that wants you to subscribe to a very predetermined pattern of ideas and notions. And if you didn't, you were out. And if you, you know, you wanna talk about Christianity or conservative you're gone they're not gonna hire you they're gonna hire another person you're not gonna run the daily show if you're also running a white right wing website that uncovers political you know discrepancies in the Democratic Party they won't hire you to those shows still do well like that. No, they're dead. [1:053:05] They're useless. I mean, if you go on the tonight show now, no one watches. It's like, it used to be when Johnny Carson was running the tonight show, if you were a comic and you got on the tonight show, you would be headlining clubs all across the country because 20 million people were watching. And if you had a big splash with like a great routine and they'd go, hey, he's gonna be at the Charlotte Funny Bone tomorrow night and then people would go see ya. And it was the best way for comics to get discovered was this tonight show. Now it's a non starter, it does nothing. It does nothing. What's the best way to get discovered now? Just like podcasts, 100%. YouTube videos, TikTok TikTok videos podcasts. I mean there's got like this guy had on the other day Ralph Barbosa very talented young comedian just started putting some stuff out on TikTok went from being a guy who was trying to get opening acts like he was trying to like middle for friends like my friend Brian Simpson, some other comics that were more established, two all sudden selling out like five shows in a row on a weekend. [1:054:10] And then, you know, doing theaters. And like, like that, it went from struggling to killing it over a course of a couple of months. It's like that Matt Rife as well. Yeah, same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's exploded. Exploded. Yeah, same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, it's exploded. Exploded. Yeah. And all just from crowd work videos and you know, stuff that he puts on TikTok and YouTube and Instagram. So in general, maybe it's a stupid question, but people who are at, you know, you're the comedy, it's the mothership, right? Yeah. Was it all again? Comedy mothership? Yeah. Okay, so if they're performing there on a semi-regular basis or what have you, what material are people doing new stuff to test it out constantly? Or it's like, what are you doing to not burn through existing stuff that is, you know, you're putting it up on Instagram stuff like that? Yeah, because it's like guys like Matt Wright for example, [1:055:00] their crowdwork videos go bonkers. Yeah. But then I'm assuming that stuff is not part of the actual like main thing. So, and this is like a totally inept, you know, not no idea how this works. So that's why I'm totally oblivious in asking like this. But is it only testing new stuff and crowdwork at these shows or like how do you even decide what you should put out when you're doing these videos? Or like even when they're performing at your place. It's like, are they hesitant to use good jokes because it will get used up before they can do a Netflix special or something? Well, I think what most of these guys are doing is they're filming stuff, like, especially if you're filming unusual moments in the crowd. Like Andrew Schultz is great at that He's got a lot of these videos where he's not burning material because it's just a unique situation in the crowd And he's really good at crowd work and so put these videos up But he also has really good stand-up material some of these guys are good at working the crowd [1:056:02] But then their material shitty Like the best guys are like Andrew. Like Schultz is great at standup, like regular stays, materials brilliant, and also he's great at fucking around the crowd because he's real loose. So he'll make a lot of videos of just crowd work. Those videos go viral. And then he eventually puts the material together where he puts out a stand-up special, that makes him even bigger, and then it all compounds on each other. That seems wild how people could be situationally funny, like context dependent. What if you're the guy who's good at crowd work, but not have good material or vice versa? There are guys like that. There, there's both kinds of guys. There's guys that are really good at material and then something happens in the crowd and they fall apart. Yeah. That's a crutch too. That's not good. You don't want to be in that situation. You want to be loose. Or when something goes down, you can go, what? What are you talking about, man? [1:057:01] Like what is it? And for the most part, one of the things that's really good at the club, we keep people from yelling out shit and we keep people from interrupting. The most important thing is the stand up and the environment that the comics are able to be comfortable and doing their material so it's the best show for everybody. So if you get some loud person that just needs a lot of attention, they can distract from the show. I've had guys yell things out and they completely interrupt a bit. It's got a build point and they'll stop it right there and you can't really restart it. So that bit's done now. So you have to abandon it. So you have to stop people from doing that and you got to kick them out. I wonder how many people that are trying to come up create, like, synthetically create crowd work situations. I'm sure they do. Tell their buddy like, hey go to the show and yell out this fucking. I'm sure they do. I'm sure that's the case. But the best guys don't need that. Like guys like Shultz, he doesn't need that. He doesn't do that. He just, he'll see some interesting couple and then he'll start talking to them and [1:058:00] joke it around. He's super friendly. So it feels loose and they're enjoying everyone smiling, you know, and it's great. It's a different skill set. You can't fake it to make it, like you're gonna get so far by making it, you have to be genuinely, impulsively funny to make that work. Right. And he's genuinely, impulsively funny. He also has a shitload of charisma, which also adds to that, because it's like everyone's enjoying it. It's like a good time. And he's really, he's kind spirited. So he's not mean while he's doing this. And even if he says something mean, he says it in a way that you're laughing, you know? And then he's like, I mean, I won't mean anything bad by it. Like it's like, you gotta like him. But what the comics that the the mothership are doing that's so interesting is that there is two nights of open mic nights. So people that are just fucking rank amateurs that have never been on stage have an opportunity to perform that and they get a couple of minutes. And if you're good and you come back and the talent coordinator sees you and this has how much material [1:059:02] have you got how long you've been doing, and then maybe you'll get on Kill Tony. And Kill Tony is the cornerstone of the standup community. Because Kill Tony is this wild YouTube show where you have one minute, and you have one minute to perform in front of a live audience, they pull your name out of a bucket, and then they read it, and they go, you know, Tommy Jones, come on down and Tommy Jones gets on stage and people have careers from that now. Guys like Hans Kim and David Lucas and William Montgomery, they're headlining on the road selling out weekends and it all came out of this show and one of the things about the show is you only have one minute so you don't have any time to fucking to be virtue signaling or to be to get clapped or or woke or talk about your trauma shut the fuck up and be funny you have one minute so it teaches you economy of words you got to get to the point quickly you got to edit your jokes well so they're [2:0:04] not rambling and you'll see people They don't know how to do that too, which is also awesome about the show. Yeah, cuz they'll you know Tony and the gas will just destroy that person And and make fun of it all and it's like a roast. Yeah, all right. Oh, yeah a hundred percent and Tony's like the best roaster Alive so he's like the perfect host for this kind of a show. Yeah, but so that is our Monday night show So every Monday night we have kill Tony It's packed it sells out six months in advance It's an amazing show to go watch if you're in town. It's so fucking funny and it gets better every time And he's got like this amazing band these local artists local local musicians that play in the band and they're really fucking good And so the whole show's just and he's been doing the show for 10 years. So it's just super dialed in. What's the weight list like to be on the, you know, the open mic? The weight list, I don't know. The weight list to be on Killtony is anybody can sign up hundreds of people sign up every week and they only pull like three or four. You the put like a audition or something. Nope, break down, nope. [2:1:06] Not for kill Tony. All you have to do is write your fucking name down. Damn. Yeah, you write your name down, it goes in the bucket, they pull your name out and then you're on. Yeah, and every now and then you get a banger. Every now and then someone will come up and they fucking kill and the audience loves them and you're like holy shit man There's a guy with cerebral palsy that does stand up through his phone So he has his phone connected to a speaker a Bluetooth speaker and he sets the microphone by the Bluetooth speaker And he has his phone with talk to text so he will type very quickly He only use one hand. Like his other hands fucked. So he's using his one hand and typing out a response and then it'll play out through the phone. That's crazy. And he's fucking hilarious. Was he on America's Got Talent? Yeah, he was on the finals. Yeah, kids in America's Got Talent. [2:2:02] From Kill Tony. Huh? Yeah. How popular are those shows now? America's got talent from kill Tony huh. Yeah a popular or those shows now America's got talent still yeah, huh? Yeah, I think it was a pretty I always wonder like the real easy kit See how his left hand is like completely fucked yeah Audio slow sorry. I got a text and my phone died. Please hold Sorry, I got a text and my phone died. Please hold Hi, I'm so happy to be back for the finals. I'm sure you can hear the excitement in my voice This is part of I heard Rebianne explain that I had some audio issues during this final that kind of Fondering his whole bit. Oh, I'm sure. Dude, have you seen Simon Cowell recently? Yeah, what's going on with him? I don't know, man. He looks worse than Aaron. Yeah, it's, it's, I feel like there's a point where the plastic surgery, no matter how little of wrinkles you've managed to. [2:3:03] Jesus. That's probably a generous picture compared to some of the ones I've seen. Well, he used to be a good looking guy. Like that was what he used to look like, yeah. Right? And now, show what he looks like now. Like what, what is like eyes are sinking? Is forehead looks bow-toxed? Looks like he's got some fillers in his cheeks. The thing that's so weird about plastic surgery is it's like objectively, you couldn't really tell why the skin looks old, but it just like does. Even though there's no wrinkles at all. Goodie looked back then. Handsome. He also went on a vegan diet too. Oh really? Yeah. And didn't he like get significantly hurt? Yeah, he got into a bad accident, I think on like an e-bike. Yeah. He fucked up his back and surgery. Yeah, so maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Well, maybe when you see people like that, it's a combination of multiple things. [2:4:02] So if he's on pills because of his surgery, he might be like, you know, and then he's got Botox and his, just get old buddy. Some of the old and keep you smile. Some of the celebrity stories about why like some like injury or something that resulted in them getting a surgery to look the way they did though. It's like obviously manufactured and totally fabricated. Oh really? Like Zach Efron have seen this before and after. But isn't that just he got juiced up to move out there? No dude. No. Look at his face before and after and you'll be like, what the fuck? Kyle announced he, okay. He began eating animal-based foods again in order to rebuild his strength. Ah ha. Surgery. Aha. Hmm. Where we heard that before? So he broke his back when he fell off his electric motorcycle. Oh, yeah, the motorcycle. Many press sources confused with an electric bike. The incident occurred when he was testing in his home in Malibu, taking to the hospital, underwent back surgery overnight. Oh, serious shit. [2:5:02] After the accident, he began eating animal-based foods again in order to rebuild the strength but clearly he's got some Botoxy thing filler thing going on with his mug. Yeah yeah I don't know how old he is. There's a difference between like watching someone age which is you know oh he looks old to what are you doing? Yeah like Madonna. Yeah it's not even a human anymore. It's like when you see, well, I guess Madonna. Maybe that's why she said that Madonna had gotten plastic surgery on her face. And then when they saw her at one time at the Grammys her face was swollen still. And then it hadn't gone down yet. Apparently when you really get a lot of nip in and tuck in it takes a long time. That's the time. It happened from a fall. Oh yeah, it was like. It had his jaw wired shut. Ten years ago. Breaking it in a fall. It almost died in 2022 or he revealed he had almost died in 2022. During the incident, almost died by breaking his jaw. And then it was responsible for facial swelling. Apparently apparent in the viral 2021 video for Bill Nies' Earth Day musical. Like basically in a couple of years ago, [2:6:05] he showed up looking unrecognizable, and then he claimed it was from an injury 10 years ago. Well, it says he had a potentially life-threatening illness, a form of typhoid or similar bacterial infection, while filming the adventure series, killing Zach Efron and pop out in New Guinea. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, he's a... Someone was telling me that he looks different, but I thought he just got super jacked to the movie. Simon Zach, everyone face before and after. He's talking about his face as messed up. Is because of the job even we were wired? Like he definitely took shit for his recent role. Like there's no question about that, but it's like, this is beyond dude. It's like I got plastic surgery as well. Oh heavy dude. Yeah, like what kind of stuff? Look at that hmm Like tell me that's from hitting your jaw and I fountain Wow, yeah, well that to me looks like Royds That that's like Camille non-Giani that same sort of thing. Well that looks good. That looks very different [2:7:02] It's like actual mass Accumulated not just body fat loss and it's not like his he's gained muscle for the recent role But his face even when he's out of prep for Body type roles he still has looks the same Hmm, so yeah, like Kumail obviously he lost a shit ton of fat and gained muscle around his face So there is some development there, but this is like next level stuff, dude. At least I think so. And I think a lot of people think the same. He definitely looks different. Yeah, like it's yeah. Yeah, it's um, so what do you think he's got going on here like chicken plants? Like, what is it? Um, I think uh, I think there's like fillers you can get to make this bone pop out way more, make it look like there's more, uh, more structure to it. And that seems to me pretty clear there's some sort of fillers or something. And that's what you see in the cheeks. Uh, potentially, but I think mainly the jaw area, it's just so much more substantially pronounced. [2:8:06] It's, I don't know, you couldn't chalk it up the roads. Hmm. So maybe when his jaw broke, like to gain that much mass on your face and then not proportionally on the rest of your body, it would make no sense. He said he slipped hit the corner of a fountain, passed out and woke up with his chin broke hanging off his face. Whoa. Yeah. Hmm. In 2013. Yeah. So I don't know. Anyway, it's like it's weird too though, because the guy is objectively one of the better looking guys in Hollywood before whatever he did. So it's like what would have what in your mind set would have motivated you to do this to begin with, like obviously? I've seen it with women many, many times. Where they like fuck up their lips or whatever. Yeah, they just start going in. And then a little bit of this, my nose a little too long. [2:9:00] And this is girl that I knew, and I hadn't seen her for a while. And I saw her like two years later and looked like someone punched her in the face. Because she just had swollen cheeks because she decided to put filler in her face and I don't know her that well. So it's not like I can say, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Don't do that. Like whatever you're doing, you gotta stop doing that. So it was just one of those things like, okay, this is what you're doing now, huh? You just like, you're like, you know what, it makes like this stick up and that takes away the crow's feet, you know, because it like stretches everything out. Right, right. But it also makes it look like your face is swollen. Yeah, it's weird because it's like, I've seen some young, very attractive girls get plastic surgery and they almost end up looking like an older woman trying to look young even though they were young to begin with and looked young. Yeah. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. Well, you know, it's body dysmorphia. [2:010:01] You don't see yourself the way other people see you. Yeah, by the same token, why would a guy take... Why do you want to gain a bunch of muscle and take steroids or anything? Could be seeing just as fucked up by... I don't know. I think when guys get jacked looks good. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, I'm just... There's a difference. Sure. Sure. I'm just saying like there's a level of body dysmorphia at both levels for sure well if there was something available for women like there is for men like so men can take steroids and they can get jacked you can get a guy that is just you know fucking pre-normal and physique and within twenty four months he looks like a fucking superhero men want that if there was a thing like that for women where you could take this and instead of like cosmetic changes you would literally be more of a woman. Because these guys are actually physically stronger, they can move faster, they have more power, they're a different version of a human being than they were before. But women don't have that, they just have appearance shit, you can make your tits look bigger, you can suck your waist in, you can get your ass stuffed with fat. [2:011:03] And it's not the same. There you go Jeff Bezos. I thought he did. Not that he did, but if you could go from that, looking like that. Oh yeah. I fully support his jackedness. I like the way he lives. Yeah, yeah. But when you think about, if there was a thing like that for women, so you could take a woman who has, twiggy body, just kind of long and thin and not voluptuous, and they could all of a sudden take a steroid that turns them into genophilopas. Yeah, they would all take it. Yeah, but I think it's less well known and educated about at scale among women, nor do they care to learn about it. They know plastic surgery, they know stuff they see in magazines, they know the celebrities they follow, but guys we follow bodybuilder, and people in fitness industry and whatnot. It's a bit of a different exposure I feel like, but it's actually hard to convince women [2:012:01] that getting a muscular ass is better than injecting like fake synthetic fucking blubber. Right. So it's a whole different element of mindset for sure. Well have you seen the Madonna videos of her on tour now? Have you seen these Jamie? Here I'm gonna send this to you because it's fucking bananas. Like I don't know what the hell she is doing but it is very strange. Here we go. How old is she now? she's in her 60s like probably deep in her 60s right? I'm gonna send this to Jamie but I mean it looks like she's wearing a fucking diaper here you go I've sent it to you. This is something that's, this is madness. I mean, like she's thin, I bet her body would look good if she just was this 65 year old woman who's thin and fit, but instead, look at her butt. Oh, geez. Yeah, what, what's going on there? [2:013:01] That is so insane. It's so insane because first of all, it doesn't make sense. Like you could not develop an ass like that and have such thin thighs. It's not possible. And the only way that looks good to have an ass like that is to have those fucking quarter horse thighs that go with it. Like when you see a woman who has a big butt that she's developed from squats and then she has the legs that go with it, that's hot. Yeah, that's hot. This is just fucking sad. And also like when she moves around on stage now, she moves around like someone with arthritis. Yeah, I wouldn't even know how you could focus on your performance knowing that you have like a fucking diaper sitting on you, you know? It's like I'd be thinking about does this look, you know? Yeah, well I think she's probably delusional at this point. I mean, you gotta imagine what it's like. You go from being the object of total desire to everyone. Like when Madonna was 27 years old, she'd walk in her room every day like, [2:014:01] holy shit it's Madonna. She was so hot and she had this incredible body and she was so talented and she was just desired by everyone. You go from that to being a monster. You mean when you see her and the Grammys, when her face was all swollen, you've seen those images? I think so. Final image. Yeah those were extreme. Because they were so nuts that that was the entire topic of conversation for most people after the Grammys was like what the fuck did Madonna do? Oh my god. Yeah That's wild. That's wild. I mean that's pure insanity. It's like Adam's family shit. Exactly. It's all fillers and I mean your head is not supposed to be that big like why is there a chin stick out that much? Hey, and that's all things that were done to mitigate. Yeah, that's what she used to look like crazy Yeah, so that was her when she was young So she goes from that to being that and What is that? Well, that's that's the worst journey that a person who's identity is wrapped around them being attractive [2:015:06] can ever go through. Because not only that, your father times fucking you, and then you fucking yourself by trying to compete with father time, and now you're becoming a monster. So now when people see you, instead of going, whoa, that's Madonna, they're like yikes. Yeah. It's a cautionary tale now. Yeah, that's like, and overshadows their musical achievement. Yeah, sure, too 100% because then it becomes a subjective attention. Yeah, like Michael Jackson exactly Exactly like what are they doing now? What's this? Yeah, the Michael Jackson one is the greatest example for sure because it was so nuts Yeah, I mean his nose caved in and you know There's pictures of him with like like it looks like some skin grafting around his nose caved in and you know there's pictures of him like like it looks like some skin grafting around his nose Yeah, because it's just collapsing Yeah, there was some speculation around if he was like Castrated as a child, too. Yes. That was what his doctor said the doctor That was convicted of giving him what was it? [2:016:02] Prophenol that you used to take anesthesia to put himself under, because he couldn't sleep. Have you ever heard of the Kastrati? Yes. Okay, yeah, so I suspect that he, similar to them, is like a more modern version of that and was castrated in his youth to preserve the angiallic kind of like singing voice. That's what his doctor said. His doctor said that his father had done chemical castration on him, which is what they do to some sex offenders. They give him chemical castration and they did it to him while he was going through puberty. So he wouldn't develop a deeper voice. Which then begs the question too. There's all this like, all the scrutiny on him for like the pedophilia stuff. Like did the guy even have sexual desire at all? Right, you know, it's kind of weird. I think probably a lot of that stuff was, he was emotionally stunted. They say that like your emotional age is often wrapped up in the age that you became famous. [2:017:01] So if you're a child star, you're kind of fucked for life. Yeah. I don't know anyone that's made it through unscathed Every child's to a childhood star of our sat down and talked to everyone I've ever met in the real world They're always fucked. They're just I've met a lot of really cool actors Like you hang out like Scott Eastwood if you're hanging out with Scott Eastwood He's like a regular guy You would not know that that he's a movie star, Chris Pratt, completely normal. I've been around that guy a couple dozen times. I'm in mixed company, I've been in Elcunton Camp with him. He's super normal, just a cool guy. You know, there's people that are like that that make it through fame and they're still cool. They're fun to be around, Matthew McConaughey. Great guy, great guy to be around. I mean, you know, wise and says a lot of cool shit. He's very interesting, but you can hang with him. He's not a weirdo. And he got famous pretty young, but he's smart [2:018:01] and he navigated those waters and turned out to be a really exemplary man. But there's a lot that don't, man. There's a lot that they become famous at a young age and they're just fucking broken forever. The Corey Feldman's of the world and the, you know, Phil in the blank. There's so many versions of childhood stars that are just destroyed as adults. They, they, it's like someone made concrete, but they didn't put all the water in. Right, right. So the concrete is just brittle. It's just, this is not structured to it. They didn't go through the normal process of being a young person, trying to figure out your way in the world, and making mistakes and learning, and seeing other people make mistakes, and having good things happen, you realize, oh, that's because I put in the work and I did this and then you developed this process and then you mature over the learning experiences and you become a person. You become a fully adult woman or a fully adult man. You don't go through that if you're famous when you're young. You're fucked. You're fucked. Everyone it does is fucked. Yeah, yeah, it's some people, I haven't met any like huge celebrities really, but some of them, [2:019:07] you can just feel more relatable when they speak even in the, I don't know, conversations that are published online and whatnot. Yeah. Especially in podcasts, when you see them show up, you can sort of see if that's a person that even has like a human interaction capacity with a average joke kind of thing. Yes. Yeah. Some of them, they, they'll do podcasts and you can tell that they're in like PR mode. Yeah. And they're putting together, it's almost like they have a routine that they're doing. Yeah, yeah. You know? And with actors, you never even know if it's acting the whole fucking time anyway. Right. You kind of know. Do you? Yeah, because they're off script. And then, you know, if I feel like someone's acting, I'll, I'll prod him about little things. I'll try to get him to talk about ghosts. I'll try, you know what I mean? Like, what, what ridiculous shit do you believe in? You know, what do you think, do you believe in the healing power of crystals? You know, like there's something, you could fuck with them a little bit and maybe antagonize them slightly, like joking around and see how they react to that. [2:020:07] Just try to get them off of whatever they're on. Whatever this rant you're on that you've prepared, that you think is gonna be a good monologue that's gonna get you to relate to people like, what else? Yeah, I definitely think a lot of, now obviously this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy, but a lot of now obviously this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy But a lot of these celebrities become so much more humanized when they do the podcasts that they've been invited on That it seems worthwhile to do once in a while because it's like certain guys They'll have like a weird mystique around them They have rumors that circulate and go fucking wild like I don't like Tom Cruise for example Yeah, you can't help but think that guy is a wacko if you don't know improbably or of like, I don't know if he's ever done public stuff. Well, I know he did that Matt Lauer interview on the Today Show and it was a giant problem because he was telling Matt Lauer that you don't need psychiatric medicine [2:021:01] and that the anti-deppressants are terrible for you who's talking about Brook shields and, you know, and then Matt Lauer was arguing about it and he seemed like a fucking complete cook. So is he like the head of Scientology or like what is that? It seems like it. Yeah, there's another guy. I don't even know what it goes into that or what can be said about that without getting fucking assassinated. Well, this is the main guy and then he's got this wife that seems to be missing. Oh, it's David Miskevich. Okay. So he's got this wife that there have been no sighting of her for like over a decade. Holy shit. Yeah, there's some weird shit going on. Like, Scientology is wild. Like, in my mind, I picture Tom Cruise and like an emperor Palpatine hood like walking around a palace of like Scientology people. And I'm assuming that's not what happens. I would see what it is. Okay. You never know. I mean, did you ever see the time where he receives an award, [2:022:00] some sort of like greatest human ever award. And he gets like way bigger than the Olympic gold medal It's like a fucking dinner plate a gold dinner plate around his chest and they salute Elron Hubbard to L.R.H Have you seen that no haven't it's leaked internal video of one of these celebrations whoever leaked It's dead for sure. Yeah, they killed that guy. They threw him off the fucking seawork. Yeah, yeah, fed up to the sharks Yeah, they killed that guy they threw him off the fucking seaword. Yeah, fed up to the sharks See if you can find that video because it's so bonkers he gets this fucking award for being like a really good actor So look at this This is like Tom K. The freedom metal of honor of a valor freedom metal of valor So I guess this is cell phone footage. Look, this is saluting. This is like the real livestream. Yeah. It's produced, but it was taken. Yeah, somehow or another, somebody got a hold of this and put it out to the general public. [2:023:00] So David Miske, just look at that fucking dinner plate. He's got us. He's given the freedom metal of valor to the mission impossible guy and everyone's cheering they salute each other which is my favorite part. So Elrond Hoverd is a fictional author that is dead, no? Or is he? Yes he's dead. Not only is he a fictional author he is a guy Please put his speech up here. We'll talk about all right. Give me here. Say something This is so crazy look at him International Association of Scientologists We got air horns and everything. So he's the top dog. Yeah, that's what I would think. I skipped ahead and say six times. [2:024:01] Yeah, how long did they cheer for? It might be like North Korea. We have to cheer or they kill you I'm really really honored to be here with you Thank you That's this whole speech. Thank you for your trust Thank you for your confidence like this is acting. Yeah, in me personally Personally been very privileged To see what you do To help to protect To serve all of us See what's that mean protect and serve. Protect my fucking gay rumors. I don't know. It's pretty kooky but at the end of it they salute Elron Hubbard and they say to LRH and they all like point to his fucking photograph and and they salute it which is one of my favorite. There it is, like, what does this? What? 12th of its life. [2:025:05] It all stood up and salooned! Oh, dude. Okay, so Elron Hubbard was not just a writer, not just a writer of fiction, but the single man who wrote the most fiction in human history. He has the most published words of any human that has ever lived. And if you ever read his stuff, this motherfucker never made a second draft in his life. They are terrible books, terrible stories. It's like the dumbest science fiction that you have ever read. Like some person with a mental illness is just rambling and writing all this stuff down And it was I think you initially wrote for like those pulp magazines like science fiction magazines back in the day And then wound up writing Dianetics and you know Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in going clear [2:026:01] I read the book and there was a HBO documentary series on Going Clear, all about Scientology. And you know, it was all of it, a lot of it was like people that were former members of Scientology, like Lyremony, that you know, at a certain point in time they were like, what the fuck am I doing? Like what is this? And like, especially when you get to the highest levels of knowledge and then they allow you to go and read these scrolls that are just like so obviously crazy. Like the thetons came down and they're frozen souls and they threw them in a volcano and you're a container for this. But you only get access to this literature if you're like, exactly. And somebody has released some of it. There's people that have released some of it online. Like you could find it. I don't know if Scientology's had that stuff removed. Tonight is Wikipedia. Okay here's October 1984 American judge issued a ruling writing of Hubbard that the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history background and achievements. [2:027:00] In private affirmations Hubbard wrote to himself, you can tell all the romantic tales you wish, you know which ones were lies, you are gallant and dashing and need to tell no lies, no lies at all. You have enough real experiences to make anecdotes forever, stick to your true adventures, or if you wish, as you will, tell adventures which happened to others, people accept them better. I don't know what that meant. But he wrote that to himself. He wrote it to himself. He also gave himself a bunch of medals. So there's like, there's like a- They're with their medals, eh? Oh, there's a photograph of him wearing like this seawork jacket on and it's like littered with medals. Like he was fucking overseas. He claimed to have been wounded in combat, but was never awarded a purple heart. He lied apparently about his military background and a bunch of different things. It appears, at least with Lawrence Wright, is saying that what he created Scientology for was sort of to self-analyze his own mental health issues. He utilized a lot of existing psychological literature to try to concoct dionetics. [2:028:06] And dionetics was a book that they would sell late night TV. Like I bought it. And this is like 1994 when I was reading Anthony Robbins stuff and I was always trying to like better myself so reading self-help shit. So I see this commercial for dionetics. It was like dionetics. This book will unlock all the power of your minds, like the commercial, I'd like a volcano and all this different shit and like, oh, okay, let's try that out. And for years after I ordered that book, I don't think I've ever read it. I opened it up a couple times, like, lost interest. For years, I got invited to seminars and programs and these different things that they would do they would just use this mailing list they got from the suckers that ordered dionetics and then they would just try to get them to join scientific and it was a big funnel system yeah and it was super effective to because they were really good at recruiting [2:029:01] famous actors so they had a ton of famous actors. You know, it was obviously John Travolta and Kristi Ali and Tom Cruise and that famously chef from South Park. What was that guy's name? The singer. Isaac Hayes. So Isaac Hayes wound up leaving South Park because South Park was shitting on Scientology. So is this sort of like the steroid use celebrity thing where you just don't ask them about it? Like in interviews for like the Scientology people like you would think if I'm having a chance to talk to Tom Cruise or whoever else. I might ask you a few things about this fucking, not? Yeah. Well, I think in order to get access to Tom Cruise, you have to be vetted as a person who's not gonna push him. You're not gonna ask him any weird questions about Scientology or anything. I think they're very controlling. And obviously getting an interview with Tom Cruise [2:030:01] is a big get, so you have to greet all these things. I would imagine that that's part of the program. That's just a guess though. But the point is, Elron Hubbard literally wrote that if you really want to make money, you start a religion. That's crazy. And that's what he did. He literally, I mean... Is like the religion all of his works consolidated or is it just a specific sub-sector of his random publishing? I think it's not all of his work, because most of his work is just pure fiction. And then he had the stuff where it, where at least Lawrence writes assertionist that he was trying to psychologically manage his own issues. So was his assertion that his fictional work is to be disregarded as connected to this, and this is actually real? Yes, but meanwhile his fictional work mirrors Yes, but meanwhile, his fictional work mirrors, like the nonsense and his fictional work mirrors the nonsense and Scientology. It just seems so fucking kooky. Yeah. Like what is that, what do they believe? Like what are the fetans thing? Like there's something really kooky about what the underlying principles of Scientology [2:031:03] and what their core belief is. At the point where some of the people in going clear, like they're talking about seeing it. This combines two of our favorite stories from this podcast, the Trapped in the Clause It thing, Archelle, this is the Trapped in the Clause It episode of South Park. Right. And it's Tom Cruise. Show yeah. Yeah. They show it in full cartoon. Show, yeah. Yeah. They show it in full cartoon. Oh, and they explain. Yeah, this is exactly- On the screen it says like this is exactly what's in their book or something like that. We'll play that then. Evil Lord Z-Noo. Whoa, whoa, whoa. All began. Isn't for people feeling sad and depressed. An alien reason. It all began 75 million years ago Back then there was a galactic federation of planets which was ruled over by the evil lord Zeno Zeno thought his galaxy was overpopulated and so he rounded up countless aliens from all different planets and then had those aliens frozen [2:032:03] This is actually it say it all just believe. They were dead. The souls of those aliens, however, lived on, and all floated up towards the sky. But the evil Lord Xenu had prepared for this. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Xenu didn't want their souls to return, and so he filled giant soul catchers in the sky. Whoa! The souls were taken to a huge soul brainwashing facility, which Xenu had also built on Earth. There, the souls were forced to watch days of brainwashing material, which tricked them into believing a false reality. Xenu then released the alien souls, which roamed the Earth aimlessly in a fog of confusion. At the dawn of man, the souls finally found bodies which they could grab onto. They attached themselves to all mankind, [2:033:00] which still to this day causes all our fears, our confusions, and our problems. Elrond Hubbard did an amazing thing telling the world this incredible truth. Now all we're asking you to do is pick up where he left off. But I don't know any of this stuff. Neither did Elrond when he started. He said he just closed his eyes and wrote down whatever came to mind. You can do the same. Just let it flow. Okay, I'll try. I just wish I could write my room, but Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet. I know. We've sent Nicole Kidman up there to see if she can hurt her notes. So that's the thing that they found out when they reached the highest levels of knowledge. Has anyone come after your South Park in any significant way? Cause it's like, they, they're probably like the only show that has no hold barred will like fucking wreck you. Well, they only show that Comedy Central leaves alone too. Oh, really? There's no way you can make South Park today if you were an unknown group of cartoonists. [2:034:01] Yeah. No chance. They would never let you. It's too crazy. Yeah. No chance. It would never let you. It's too crazy. Yeah. But it's the only good show on the network. So they kind of have to let it go. Have you seen their depiction of Disney? Disney World and stuff? It's fucking comical, dude. Oh, it's the one. Mickey is this fucking tyrant over Lord and he like goes and beats up his employees and stuff. And he's just talking in his high pitch Mickey voice and just swearing at his employees and stuff. Oh God. Well, there's a one recently, the Panda verse where oh yeah, the cart was replaced by a black trans woman or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great show. I mean, and it's been great forever. I mean, I saw the first South Park episode was a VHS tape. There was their little Christmas special. Like what would Brian Boytono do? And that was in like 95 or 96 or something like that. That's crazy. Yeah. They've been banging it out ever since then. I guess that's the upside of cartoon as you can keep the characters the same age and just run in perpetuity essentially. [2:035:01] Yeah. And you can get away with wild shit. Yeah. But you could never get away with. Like, remember when Paris Hilton and that gay teacher had a slut off, they had a whore off and he stuffed her up his ass. That's how he won. He literally jumped on top of Paris Hilton and stuffed her in his ass. Oh my God. I love how they don't even try to be careful about how they tiptoeing around it. They'll just say the actual names. You have an actor who sounds as close to them as possible and just go full blown. Yeah. They're a national treasure. Yeah. Yeah. They're national treasure. Yeah. Yeah. They go hard. Yeah. And they're so important because like one of the few people out there that's willing to, in this day and age where you can't even make comedy movies anymore, there's so few comedy movies being made. You're never going to see a tropic thunder today. [2:036:00] Yeah. I don't watch a lot of movies now it is, but I can't recall the last time I've seen something that was worth mentioning in comedy for a movie personally. It's been forever. It was like the hangover. Yeah. Yeah. Super bad. I mean it's been a long fucking time. I went to Hawaii for the first time a couple weeks ago and I saw the license plates and that was the thing reminding me of is the a couple weeks ago and I saw the license plates and that was the thing reminding me of is the Mick Love and the fake idea. That was a great movie man. And you can't make movies like that anymore. Just too many people who come after you. But South Park still does the same shit. They go as hard if not harder than ever before. And without them, we wouldn't have it. Yeah. Not on a television show. Yeah, yeah. Have you seen the enhanced games? Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah, total tangent, but it's like. Is it real? Is it happening? Apparently. Okay. So tell everybody what the enhanced games are. So I'm not fully, you know, in to know about updates on it, [2:037:05] but my understanding is basically an organization I'm not fully in the know about updates on it, but my understanding is basically an organization that is trying to stand up against the proposed corruption that is in the IOC and the Olympics system. Basically, you have these top tier athletes who prepare their whole lives to compete at these events and they get paid essentially fucking nothing, even though they're the best athlete in their, you know, whatever category they're competing in. And they'll be like essentially robbed and have less monetization capacity than the entire event that basically oversees and has like a monopoly on it. And, you know, it's still highly sought after to compete in it. So people do it anyway. It's a represent their country. It's a big pride country. It's a lot of a big pride thing. We've talked about the people who said they would take years off their life to win a gold. That's still very much a thing, but it's like we've also seen massive corruption among, you know, the testing organizations, certain countries getting around, [2:038:00] like the Sochi Olympics, for example, Icarus, great documentary to watch about that. Yeah. We're basically certain countries are depending on how risky they wanna be or how in depth they wanna get what their doping regimens essentially get around the system and their protections in place depending on which country they're in and ways they basically finagled where the Olympics are seen as a corrupt organization to many people, and they will, I don't know, selectively scrutinize certain people and athletes and whatnot, and it's created this weird dynamic where, you can't perform to the greatest capacity that you could because you have to remain within their narrow confines of what's allowed and what's not allowed, and then also that could be at the detriment even of your recovery capacity. Like there's a lot of compounds that you should be able to use even for recovering from injuries that are on the water band substance list that make no sense to be on there. Like even recently BPC157 was added, which is fucking crazy when it's like essentially bioidentical. But yeah, this organization, the Enhanced Games, [2:039:07] is essentially encouraging anyone who wants to compete at the highest level and use whatever they want and go sauce to the gills in their respective event to show up here and show what can be done with modern technology, performance enhancements to the max. Interesting. So it's like, whenever we talk about, oh, this guy popped for whatever, and then a lot of us will say, I don't give a fuck if they take shit, I would just want to see what the highest level of performance could be, let them do what they want kind of thing. This is that with Dr. Oversight, apparently, from high level individuals and they they tout that it's gonna be as safe as it could be within the confines of you know pushing yourself to the limit essentially. So it's basically like the anti-Olympics Olympics and they're gonna hold their first event I've heard at [2:040:02] the same time as the Olympics to basically cannibalize the watch time and also show that people who are in their organization can beat the records of the Olympics and they have like cash bonuses available for people who beat world records and things of this nature to make sure. Interesting. Yeah. So they want people to actually make, they want the athletes to have actual money earning potential that makes it worthwhile to compete as well. Whereas the Olympics are kind of stuck within narrow confines of what you can monetize versus not. Look at this. He's the fastest man in the world. He's broken Usain bolts 100 meter record, but the world isn't ready for him. The Olympics hate him. Come watch him compete in the 2024 enhanced games. Who's this person? The video says he can't show his face. So it says yeah right there, I can't show you my face. He's white though, so I'm just gonna go. That's crazy. That guy's fast and new same bolt, really? This also is a marketing video, so. Yeah, maybe it's just like this hypothetical person exists. [2:041:01] Interestingly, it says new version of the video is Twitter decided to take down the last one. It's pen from July, so I don't know. Huh. Did he even know that then? When did he buy it? Yes. And they owned your July, right? Yeah, it'd be worth maybe going in their site for a better summary of, but essentially it's like, sauce to the Gills Olympics versus, and they want to compete with the actual Olympics and have no testing, do whatever you want, but oversight from high level doctors to keep you as safe as possible. Because oftentimes in the Olympics, people argue the safety capacity of it. But it's like in the Olympics, a lot of times people are using drugs that are considered inferior from a safety profile simply so they can circumvent the testing. So they'll end up using like Frankenstein drugs that are worse for you and are super liver toxic or terrible for your brain or what have you just to be able to use something that gives you a little bit of an edge in one vector. Whereas here you could use actual testosterone however much you need or want, or worth for a pointin within the confines [2:042:05] of whatever is safe for you, you know, obviously there's risk for sure still, but it's, you know, a very interesting pivot that a lot of people have eyes on. It is interesting, but where is it gonna air? I don't know, they say they have partnerships being spun up with like big broadcasting networks or something. I could be misbe speaking on that because that seems hard to Coordinate when it's like traditional media potential. I don't really know. Well if I was ESPN. I jump right on. Yeah, fuck let's go Yeah, yeah, I want to see the freak show. Yeah, and I think that you know The only issue would be Distruption of the end toonsistent for young athletes. Because if you are doing steroids, your body's going to shut down production of testosterone. You could become infertile. Yeah, like there's ways, again though, when you have, you know, no holds barred access to ancillary medications and doctor oversight, like there's ways to sustain. Like we know now that you can [2:043:02] sustain fertility on hormones. Right. It's just something like for example when I first started taking gear when I was you know like over 10 years ago at this point, no one was talking about how you could take HCG concurrently with your exogenous anabolic to sustain testicular volume. And we were just told if you want to get fertile again, at the time when you want to have a kid, just start taking the fertility drugs and then you'll be good. Little did we know it's actually fairly important to sustain that testicular mass. Oh, as you're exposing yourself to the drugs to actually smooth your transition to recovery. Because it's like, if the organ is literally atrophying, trying to expect the same recovery capacity of like a shrunken atrophy-trivial testicle versus something that's been the same size and function the entirety of your anabolic exposure. It's like night and day different. So like there's new new education around a lot of this stuff that you would ideally be getting if you were one [2:044:03] of the guys competing. But you know obviously it's nuanced and up for interpretation. If that's like no one, I don't think would ever be a proponent of it being safe. Like I wouldn't say it is at all. Like obviously you're still putting your cardiovascular system at risk, brain, and yeah, like your fertility could be impacted if you're not very careful about how you manage it and manipulate stuff. Right. And you could obviously impacted if you're not very careful about how you manage it and manipulate stuff. Right, and you could obviously see if you will have an enhanced games, if someone went super hypophysicological. That's mouthful. Yeah, figured you would be the guy to say that mouthful around. If you went over the top, you would have more performance, but also a lot more risks. Yeah, for sure. Like there's going but also a lot more risks. Yeah, for sure. Like there's going to be diminishing returns. And obviously when it's no holds barred, you're, you know, people are going to push it. But my understanding is, I, you know, the guy who runs it would speak better to it than me. It might be worth connecting with them. But it's, I think the doctors are going to oversee. And I don't know if they're going to put limits on what biomarkers can get to before they determine, like, okay, you're in unsafe territory, like, 20 back. [2:045:09] Right. Yeah. Because then obviously you, then at that point, you present a layer of doping of to get around the thresholds. So then it's like, you have doping in the dope the Olympics. You know, which is, it's interesting. So either way, though, I'm interested to see the outcome. I've heard a lot of Olympic athletes that have been Popped or competing I've heard a lot of people that just want to compete and wouldn't have been able to in the Olympics because they want to be you shit or competing They do a lot of people apparently interested so interesting. Yeah, if they do start breaking Olympic records That will be wild. Yeah, that will be wild. Yeah. Well, you know Foreign script and join her her records still stand, right? Don't they? Yeah, yeah, I don't know which records had been rescinded other than like off thought My head the only one that's notable that I would mention is like Lanter Armstrong [2:046:02] He's that everything rescinded and that doesn't make any sense No, it's fucking... His makes the least sense. Because you have to go back to 18th place to find someone who didn't test positive in some of his races. Yeah, like the wild thing. Yeah, the wild thing. With like you saying bolt to you, it's like of all the people who have broken 100 meter dash records, he's only one who supposedly is natural and he has the best record of all of them. Like I suppose it's in some alien genetic scenario, it's possible, but it's like, you know, what's the likelihood of he wasn't also, you know. Also, imagine Usain Bolt on some shit. Like full board, not just like finagling system, which is what a lot of people think he did, but no way to prove it. Right. Yeah, if you could just let that guy with superior genetics just go ham. Yeah. I think they need to break some more records to really get the attention too, because it's like if they just have above average exceptional athletes compared to the average layman, but not exceptional enough to be, because you still [2:047:03] even naturals that are at the the peak of their That's him beating everybody. Yeah, that's crazy Straining so hard. Yeah, just like there's like in every sport There are gonna be outliers that even naturally shit on guys who are doped yep as hell So like it's certainly possible that they still fall short of world records even with the talent that's using fucking everything. So to be determined how impactful it is and who's competing I guess, but I'm gonna be watching regardless. Well, UFC went through one of the starkest contrasts when they brought aboard Ustadah, and you got to see people's physiques melt. Like literally melt. Yeah. You got to see their shoulders shrink, and Vor Belford's the greatest example of it. Because V-Tor, when they used to have a testosterone use exemption, which you would allow fighters to be on testosterone use therapy, but you're also self-administering. And he was going hard. He was going hard. When Luke Rockhold saw him, he was like, this is Chris Skye's muscles on his fucking teeth. [2:048:04] He was like, what is this guy on? And he had not just this incredible physique but also a lifetime of combat sports skills and the mind for it. And then on top of that, this intense confidence because he was basically not a human. I mean, he had levels of testosterone that no human gets to. So he was just fucking raging. Just no fear. Ready to get the staining it through the horse training too. Exactly. That's the thing, what we were talking about Jiu-Jitsu. Like these Jiu-Jitsu guys before the show, I think we were talking about. These guys are training 365 days a year. And you don't do that and train six hours a day every day without some gear. Like this is the only way you're gonna recover. You'll break everything down. You won't be able to recover in time for the next training session. There's a balance that has to be achieved. And when you start adding like hard core antibiotics [2:049:02] into that balance, Like it shifts everything. And your ability to sustain work is just radically improved. What do you think about you, Saddo, getting replaced? I don't know exactly what the new protocol is gonna be, but I have heard that they're not gonna let them take PPC157 and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? So they're adhering to like the water, band substance lists list presumably. Allegedly, but it could be, you know, like, a little wink, a little nod. I don't know. I don't know how they're gonna do it. And only time will tell. I think this current administration's contract with Usada is still applicable for the next few months. Yeah, yeah, I think you sat a standard protocol as in place until January. So it is? Yeah. It's gonna be interesting. And that's why I'm gonna turn to you to say like, what do you think's going on here? Yeah, I guess it depends how they document the positive test results too, because it's like, back in the day, [2:050:01] depending on the organization, sometimes they'll publish exactly what the person popped for, what happened, what, you know, scrutiny is happening to them in the moment, how it's being further reviewed, and it was like, you know, very negative press even before they've actually confirmed and proved this guy cheated necessarily. And then you said I kind of took this different angle where they would kind of be a little bit more vague about it And then they would get some scrutiny about if they're covering up for certain people But at the same time they were like, you know, all getting scrutiny for being hyper stringent where they'd like show up to guys places in the middle of the Fucking night when they're trying to sleep. Yeah, and it's a very As far as the new organization their level of scrutiny and how it's gonna play out and how, I don't know, private, they're gonna keep the results. It's to be determined, but if they're following the same WADA band substance list with the same kind of protocols, I imagine it's gonna be similar, but with, from what I understand, [2:051:01] more scrutinist testing on some of the endogenous bioidenticals. So like, EPO, I think Navitsky said they're going to up their frequency of testing. Because, you know, some of this stuff at the end of the day, there's only so much budget to allocate to where it's still a viable economic thing. So it's like, are you going to EPO test like every fucking sample of every single athlete? However many times a year, like some people are tested tested, I don't know, I forgot what's Yuri tested. It was like some insane amount of time per year. Are you going to EPO test, HGH, Isoform test, carbon isotope ratio test, are you going to do that on every sample you ever produced? Probably not. You've got to have some reproducible economically viable strategy. I think they tested Yuri a lot because he's in recover from shoulder surgery too Yeah, but then it's like why isn't guys like you know Conner getting tested out the ass Because he got out of the pool. Yeah, but even when he went back in the pool. It's like well now he's testing How frequently though? Well, I don't know they just start testing him. I'm really recently guys face definitely still looks a bit saucy [2:052:04] well, he was jacked. And also, that's when you should do it. Oh, for me, I have something like a catastrophic leg injury. I mean, he's got rods in his legs. He said multiple surgeries. It's not just one. Yeah. And then, it doesn't always heel right. And it breaks again, like Dan Hooker. He has a rod in his arm. He broke his forearm in a fight. I think it was the Jalen turnr fight. And so he had it fixed, how the rods put it, he just broke it again. So now he has to have a second surgery. He has to have that they're doing some new procedure to try to get the bones to fuse because the bones didn't fuse correctly. And you know the rods are the only thing holding it in place and snapped. It's really weird how they justify certain compounds like I mean in an out of testing because it's like you could abuse the fucking of infetimines out of competition but then you can't use BPC like like how does that make any sense? It doesn't make any sense. It's all bizarre and I think in a perfect [2:053:01] world professional athletes would utilize everything possible to get the best possible performance. Again, my only concern would be young people ruining their endocrine system. Yeah. And then the possible, you know, the process, there's real issues with overuse, like overdosing. Because if you tell someone, hey, if you take, you know, 100 milligrams of this thing, you'll have an improved performance, okay? What's gonna give me a stroke? If I take 200 milligrams, what happens? Do I move twice as fast? Like what happens? Yeah, and some of the weight cutting will get even more extreme with diuretic use. Right. Some of it, you'll have a kidney failure is pretty competition. Right, and then the question is gonna be, what kind of testing protocol are they going to use? Is it going to be random? You know, is it going to be something you can gain? Like, you know, I know who was the athlete that was taking those testosterone gummies and they were in and out of your system in a short period of time? Alex, there you go. Here's taking a bunch different shit. But you were, they were taking testosterone gummies that, you know that would only stay in your system for a few hours. [2:054:06] As of now, and I stay pretty on top of the literature, it's still very... You can still circumvent the tests even with highest scrutiny. So, with things like test, EPO, I've seen upwards of 50% of subjects and studies getting around tests trying to find if they're doping, like knowing that they're using guys in the study as subjects of you're getting microdosed EPO and we're gonna test you for it rigorously and still passing even when they're trying to catch them. Via the study parameters, so I think a lot of people are gonna be doing the same shit they've been doing. I think the scrutiny is gonna be similar probably, but perhaps more, like at least in the Vitsky's framing, like there's more budget being allocated to some of the more rigorous tests, but I don't know. I imagine it will be similar, but I've also heard that this organization also works with the NBA and some other pro sports, [2:055:00] which are traditionally seen as pretty lax in contrast. Yeah, so I would imagine this can be a little more lax and I would support that. Yeah, I certainly support guys taking things to recover from injuries like Connor did with his leg injury. 100%. No question about it. I'm 100% all in on that. That's the only way. No one comes back from that. No one has ever come back from that catastrophic leg break. Yeah. The shin break, not a single athlete has come back from it and performed at the same level. Anderson Silva's the only guy who came back and fought multiple times, and he was not the same guy. Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know. The Conor's definitely got to win when he fucking comes back. Yeah. It's kind of like his legacies, like not entirely hinged on it or anything, but I mean, he's got a lot to live up to to not just. Oh yeah. Yeah. But also, if you were a coach and you wanted to look at this in terms of a long-term career strategy, I would want a tune-up fight. [2:056:01] 100%. I would not want him going right in there against Islam Makachev. Yeah, he's still trying to go like balls deep and pick the hardest dudes. Oh, that's him. That's why he's a champion. That's so he's a warrior. I mean he feels like he could just get but one of the things that he said about the Dustin Poire fight the first one the first set the second fight but the first one of the most recent ones where he got knocked out. but the first one of the most recent ones where he got knocked out. I said I was inactive because it just caught up to me. I could feel it. I could feel it well's in there. My timing wasn't as good. You need to be active to be at the highest levels of world-class mixed martial arts competition. I just don't see how you can take two years off, multiple surgeries, get on juice, get off juice, and then jump in there against the best in the world. Maybe he can do it, but if I was his coach and the option was available, I'd say let's get someone who's not even in the top 15. Let's get some guy who is beatable, but a good test. [2:057:00] It will call it a tune up fight. We get to see how you perform. This guy gets an opportunity to be Con Mcgregor. You get an opportunity to test your skills again and feel the lights and feel the pressure. Get your timing back. Have that fight. Six months later you have a big fight. Do you know when UFC 300 would be? Like that seems like a pretty big event that they would probably... When is that supposed to be a Jimmy April. That's too soon for him to be fighting. Well there's a six month thing in the pool right. So here we are November contingent on you sat of it. Yeah in contingent on whether right right if you saw this out maybe they don't have a six month thing anymore right. I got point. I wonder if he's like obviously that's an event you would think he'd be in. I would definitely want him in that. But then the thing is like here's a good question. If you give someone an exemption, you let them get out of the pool. And they're taking some hardcore steroids [2:058:01] to heal their shin break. What, how much gain do you maintain from that improvement in your performance? Because it's not zero. No, I think a lot of it is also indirect through the time in the gym and skill acquisition. Because a lot of people overlook the recovery capacity enhancing component. So it's like if you're able to, it's not just about how much muscle you've gained and objective measurements of, oh, your bench press went up by X amount. It's also how many more hours were you able to train relative to your competition because of this? That's that many more hours working on X skill, this skill that doing your endurance, whatever, you're able to do more things and have more bandwidth allocated to your endurance, whatever, you're able to do more things and have more bandwidth allocated to your skill, I don't know, sustaining or, you know, development. So as far as the studies go for retention of what's called myonuclei, like how much you can actually bank up from steroid use, it doesn't seem to be something that's going to sustain for, I don't know, in perpetuity, like we once thought, [2:059:06] it's kind of finicky if that's actually something that happens or not, like a lot of people will still shrink back down when they come off, but he's competing pretty soon after being like what appeared to be a pretty fucking full board, like the guy was essentially unrecognizable compared to traditional, you know, corner. Yeah, he looks like a light heavyweight. Yeah, it was like, to me, his face looked like the first time a guy takes gear. Oh wow, you've gained like 15 pounds of water. Yeah. Yeah, everything got big. So yeah, like you didn't even look like it was an attempt to do it in a, you know, I'm trying to microdose way. It's like a real cycle seemingly. Right. And why not if you're not being tested in the exam. Yeah, and it's probably fun. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But the question is like when it comes to performance, like physical abilities, strength, power speed, you don't go back to zero. So I think you would retain some of it. [3:0:02] Like how much of it? That would be so speculative. So I think it would speculate. I think it would speculate. Like, let's say a guy takes one cycle of testosterone at like a traditional amount that guys use. Like 500 milligrams is a pretty common like bodybuilder starting level cycle. Is that per week? Yeah, 500 milligrams per week. So that's like, you know, three to three and a half times what a traditional TRT dose would be. That would gain you, you know, a significant amount of lean mass and strength and you would probably sustain that for, again, as the hormones work its way out of your system, even as little residual leaving, you still have that bleed of hormone that's sustaining even during your training, subjecting yourself to, you know, even if you had poor sleep, heavy weight cutting, like you still have synthetic drug that is bleeding out of your system and holding at least non-fluxuating values other than the bleed out time. So... This size difference. Yes, while... Look at how it's 222, he's fucking massive. [3:1:01] The face difference is like the most staggering thing to me too. Look at this neck. So a weight cut. Yes. Dude, that's shot with him on the bottom left. Yeah. With his arm around the dude. Yeah. He looked, oh, they cut off his claws. But his claws looked fucking nutty in that picture. Yeah. The one where it shows him at the bottom of those three photographs, Jamie. That is when he made weight for 145 though. Skeletor, bro. Yeah, he was literally starving himself. That's wild. He was starving himself. He looks like one of those pirates in the Caribbean monsters. Yeah, I guess what he looked like back then. So yeah, I think that within the span of competing within a year, like you're going to retain, it would take depending on how fast the compound would work its way to your system, depends on the ester chosen. Like I'm sure you're familiar with your testosterone, probably a testosterone, sippianate. For example, so that like determines how long it will hold, take to metabolize out of your body. [3:2:01] So that one has close to a 10 day half life. So that would take 50 days essentially to clear out of your body, so that one has close to a 10-day half life, so that would take 50 days, essentially, to clear out of your system. So for him, if you cleared out something that took 50 days to get out, like you would still have residual benefit for months thereafter, for sure. And whether it's gonna be 100% or 0%, I would speculate to be somewhere in the middle, maybe you're gonna lose a lot of the temporary weight fairly rapidly though. Like a lot of that blood volume water retention will dissipate within the first number of weeks. And then after that, you're kind of, whatever tissue you've accumulated will slowly go over the next months, which you'd probably retain, I don't know, I would say half by the time he, maybe 25 to 50%. But that's's you know Do you think the attitudes about this stuff are changing because it used to be you know the Barry bonds mark McGuire Sammy so so they're cheaters these guys are cheating Do you think that the perception will change as the use of these things gets accepted more? [3:3:01] First maybe with peptides then with some other things. And they would realize like, look, sports are all about watching people do the greatest fucking things that's physically possible. Why are we stopping them from using modern science to do this when we use modern science to enhance every other thing? Yeah, I think the stigma around it is largely media hype and like taboo discussion of like, oh, this thing is not, you know, Europe. It's like frowned upon if you're using it. But platforms that are educational and provide insight into the realities of the pros and cons, I think are becoming more widespread and viewed and the exposure is getting out there to actually bring to light the validity of certain use cases. So like with a BPC157 the only thing you'll hear from you know, WADA is how it's banned and it's performance enhancing. But then you'll hear guys like us who we talk about hey this is literally essentially [3:4:03] a bioidentical compound that you produce naturally in the gut. So it's not like some synthetic, you know, form a sketch drug. In addition, it's pretty well tolerated, given the anecdotes we have. There's not like human literature, but very impactful on recovery. And it's, you know, we know tons of people who've used it with great success. And it's like, I don't know anybody who've used it with great success and it's like I don't know anybody is used That is that a problem. Yeah, so now that's not to say it's risk-free because it's like pro Angio genesis which would be cancer cell promoting in the wrong situation in context, but like in general There's more education than ever and it continues to accelerate bringing attention to the validity of you know Even the stem cells that you can only get out of the country. Like where are you gonna hear about that shit at scale other than a platform like this? Like you would probably get scrutinized the hell if you were talking about that in like a traditional mainstream medium, like that's illegal in the US. 100%. And then that's one of the most important things I think about your show and about a lot of shows like that is that you don't tip toe around these things. [3:5:06] You're just completely open and honest about them and that encourages other people to do the same. And then you're also really well read on these things. So these discussions get had in a form. And then when you're talking to like guys like Huberman or Peter Etier, you're talking to these, you know, legitimate scientists that can back up this and explain what the pathways and the mechanisms behind all these things are. So it gives people, I think right now we have a much more balanced understanding of what these things are and what the benefits are. Yeah, absolutely. I hope more people continue to seek education and it's great to see the more mainstream adoption from guys like Hubert Minnetia because You know, it's also a big hurdle for traditional Scientists to go like against the mainstream narrative and kind of accept that there could be validity to a compound that's seen as you know For research purposes or yeah things of that nature or you know, it's illegal in the US [3:6:00] So it must be bad. It's like well, maybe look at both sides of the equation. Yeah, yeah sure. But listen man, it's always cool to talk to you. I'm glad you're out there and you are the poster boy for if you look at like low production value but a high reward. I mean you have a fucking air conditioning system. Have you still have that in those videos? Oh it's the same man. This wood panel and an air conditioner behind you. And you know, it's super successful. So I'm really happy for you. And I'm really happy you're out there because I've learned a lot of shit from you. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. My pleasure. More plates, more dates on YouTube, Instagram, everywhere. Yep. That's it. All right. Thanks, brother. Appreciate you.