2 years ago
Dr. Mark Gordon is an expert in the field of neuroregenerative medicine and the treatment of Traumatic Brain Injuries.
SFC Andrew Marr is a Green Beret, co-founder of the Warrior Angels Foundation, and author of "Tales from the Blast Factory". He is also one of the subjects in the new documentary "Quiet Explosions" available now.
The J.Rogan experience. What did that one doctor in the corner say about the... Well, what did he say about the results? I presented to him 459 guys who had a 78% improvement in a year. Okay, that was our 2019... In comparison to what is... No improvement. Yeah. No improvement. Yeah. And so... And it wasn't a long presentation. They only gave me like 20 minutes. It was a three-hour lecture I put into 20 minutes. 20 minutes for you is like a couple of blinks. Yeah. For the average person. So... But it was good, right? Mm-hmm. But one guy said he appreciates... What did he say? He was sitting closer to him. He had appreciated your willingness to work with people who needed help, but he didn't believe a word you said. Hilarious. Yeah. And there were like four or five docs that did that. But that's fine. Did you call them out on their motivations? At the end, I basically said to my colleagues across the aisle or across the pond that if they continue on the paradigm that they're working, they're going to have as many suicides as we have in the United States because there was no rationale. It was a psychiatrist. What's the scientific evidence the psychiatrist used before he put you on? Not you, but puts a person on antidepressants. What's the science? There's none. What's the objective science? You feel bad. It's his perception. Yes. Exactly. Here we have hard, objective, reproducible, clinical data. So I presented 459 cases, we'll filleted out into age groups into what percentage of the people did best. Our failures, I mean, we have failures. Our failures are 24 people out of 459. We're due to their being on medication that blocked our treatment. There's certain medications we've learned. What medications? One called Gabapentin. It interrupts GABA, which is extremely important for sleep. So it substitutes in. Did they put you on Gabapentin? No. I believe so. Yeah. So I didn't go in. What's the benefit of Gabapentin? For pain and for sleep, for chronic pain and sleep. That's what they're using it for. But the surgeon general loved what he heard. And we actually won him over. Yeah. We were going to do this big study in Birmingham, England, like over four years. So the surgeon general loved it. Yeah. And who didn't? The people who had control of the military project at Imperial College. The scientific advisors. The scientific advisors. Because you just threw a monkey wrench into their ball of their work. Yeah. When his name is Colonel Tim Hodgins. That's the guy who had the problem? Pardon? That's the guy who had the problem. No. He loved what? He's the surgeon general. He's the surgeon general designated him to talk. Alistair Reed was the surgeon general. Yeah. Shout out to Alistair Reed. Yeah. So. Yeah. He's like, truth. Let's do it. So shut those guys. He came in, shut them up, and said, we're doing this. We're doing it in Birmingham. Really? So what I promoted to do is. It's got shut down. They shut us down. Yeah. They shut us down. Why did they shut you down? They came back afterwards, the advisors, and worked however. They worked it and got them to agree that we should do this. They didn't bought some from the Americas coming over. Isn't that always the case in a movie where you have these stiff British intellectuals who just don't buy all this new research and they do whatever they can to stop it? It's got this really happened. Yeah. Ultimately. We were there in real time. Yes. Do you know the story of. It's hilarious when those kind of stereotypes. Do you know the story of Igor, what is his name? He was, just dropped his last name. Anyway, he was at the first OB hospital in Austria. And Zimmelweiss is his last name, Zimmelweiss. He was an obstetrician, gynaecologist. And during that time, they would go from cadaver dissection into doing vaginal exams on these pregnant women getting ready to deliver. And they had a very high occurrence of what's called crib death, where they die. Because they didn't understand at that time, they didn't have cots, posh, poshlets, that they were transferring infectious agents from the cadaver. Wait, here was this? The 1700s. They didn't wash their hands. Right. So Zimmelweiss, what he did, he says, ah, let's put lemon juice and a lye together and we'll wash our hands. And he took a 20% death rate down to less than 1%. And he did a thesis on this and presented it to the first obstetrician or gynaecological hospital in Austria. And what they did was they refuted his results. Why? If they admitted that what he was doing, all it took was washing the hands, because what did they say during those times? It was God's will. It was God's will, the reason why the person died. And it was also admit that they were doing things wrong. They didn't want to acknowledge the fact that here's a guy that's an unknown guy. I'm unknown. I don't have credentials like these people we went up against. And he was able to solve the problem, but they refuted it. Okay, like Admiral Small, Admiral Small from the British Admiralty. He's the one who treated the first nutritional illness called scurvy. But it took 50 years for the Admiralty to recognize it because they didn't want to believe it took, that's how they got the name limeys. They didn't, you know, all you need is vitamin C in order to avoid scurvy. So the doctors... That's where limeys come from? That's right. Go look it up. Wow. Yeah. It's in my book, my first book, Interventional Endocrinology. I talked about these cases because they talk about the paradigms and how difficult it is to get one generation of medical caregivers to change what they've been indoctrinated in and fixated on to something more modern that maybe solves the problem that they weren't able to resolve. So it would be admitting that what I've been doing all this time has been wrong if I don't wash my hands. Right. And I can't take that heat because I become the culprit. Now it wasn't God's will. Right, and then you become responsible for all those deaths that occurred during your treatment. That's right. Yeah. And that's part of what I think is motivating a lot of the resistance there. There's sciences there. We're seeing it stateside. Just as much. Yeah. It's ego, right? And then it's also influenced from some pharmaceutical companies. If I had a Harvard degree or if I had a Stanford, I had some of the other degrees behind my name instead of just M.D., F.U.C.K., what would happen is they might listen to me. You know, one of the... Or you might have a different worldview. Correct. I'd say, oh, screw it, right? Screw it. Let it be. One of the... One of our admirals, rare admirals that has been with us for about eight years, connected me with another admiral who got me to the Fort Detrick Army Medical Research and Development Group to share with them what we're doing. And they were interested in it, but they didn't understand it because they asked me, where's the antidepressants? Where are the anti-anxiety medications? They were looking for maintaining the status quo. The only way we're going to improve this is for people to open up and look at the science and say, huh, I didn't know about this. And that's it. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it. 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