#2041 - Steve Strope

I think you know what I did I also experienced the odd time continuum to Brief myself for this. I'm like I should probably look back when I did this this and this and this that the other thing I'm going like crap. I forgot That was like 2004. Are you kidding me? 2004 seems so long ago. Yeah, that was the fear factor days. Yeah That's that's like round around when I met you when when I brought the the barracuda to fish. Yeah. Yeah it like Because you yeah, cuz it was well, I have my handy cheat sheet here You actually made a cheat sheet. Well, there's dude. I got dude by the way the shirt. It's I got it. I know but can I officially gift you in front of the camera? So so this is a shirt with the Nova that Steve built for me Yeah, Steve built the greatest Nova the world has ever seen a 1969 Nova with Camaro We really we could talk about it all day, but people have to actually see it online lots of fun I wanted to do the kind of dope fucking shirt So there's a mixture of stuff like those clouds and stuff are taken from those Crazy Chrysler ads in the 70s like the Roadrunner stuff with a smoke We copied that and then the Sun thing was just in like every other 70s artwork I could find you know, and then of course the prerequisite small UFO and I wasn't gonna take your Joe Rogan experience so and being that I my other life was in rock and roll of Course I leaned towards the Hendrix of AR you experience. So it came out pretty cool. There it is. There's the car Yeah, yeah, very cool. Yeah, there is the car the coolest Nova of all time. I love that thing. Thank you. It drives Well, it does. I mean, it's not just so cool looking like it drives so well The independent suspension the way you set it up. Was it art Morrison? Yeah Morrison stuff. I went a little softer on the spring in the front and believe it or not a little stiffer on the rear And played with it quite a few times. It's before I delivered it to you that Yeah, I was very because I set it up I didn't set it up for track attack because that's not what you're gonna do right now I'm just gonna cruise around right so I set it up. So when you go over those little Joints in the road going on to a bridge. It doesn't leave that up in the background Jimmy Just leave that there. That was the amazing Photography of Wes Allison Wes Allison you're the shit. He is the shit. That's a great picture Yeah, I think I need to get up one of a steel version of the picture and put it up in our Yeah, let's do that. I don't know pretty big. It's we need a big one, right? it's it came out real nice and the funny thing is or the I don't know about funny, but the Point of it was is there's so much done and none of it looks like anything was done Yeah, it really does look like just a really cool 1969 car if you don't know the manipulation that you guys did to the sheet metal Well, then not only that the the grill is changed. Yeah, the the little headlight doors on the side Those are changed. I I used to I would joke with different Nova people and go give you a hundred bucks If you can tell me what I changed in the front I'm not wow and they're like, uh We added bars. The grill is actually taller the Those bars look like in real life. Do they just have black what they had It was a piece of plastic that came from underneath the bumper and it went Underneath that that that headlight and then came up So you see on the very outer edge others like I can't count from here one two three four five six seven eight Like yeah, those bars right there. The bottom three are added. Oh Wait, Jamie, can you pull up on 19? Just a stock 69 Nova Nova grill? Yeah, or Nova front end Nova front end. Yeah But it uh, there's lots of little changes looks like Yeah, well, yeah Okay, you go you can you can see how there's just a piece of plastic under it and it comes up the silver plastic comes up So those ribs aren't it's not the greatest. That's a better photo That looks custom No, he's got the plastic. Yeah, he's got something. You can see that piece of plastic come up. That's a so we know it too Mm-hmm. So we extended the grill and extended those outer things to just fill up the space Better you need there you go car. Yeah, there it is. That car just so unique It's such a you know It's and I think it's one of those muscle cars that really never got its due because it kind of started out as more of an Economy kind of a car. Yeah. Yeah, no, yeah Nova wasn't like, you know, if you had a Barracuda You were the fucking man, right if you had a Nova, it's like oh you couldn't afford a bear Like if you had a dust you had the Nova SS with the 396 But there was a few and far between there weren't a lot of people that ordered that when I was a kid this kid In our high school had a duster. What was the other one? There was a duster. There's a dot art a dart Yeah, he had a dust or valiant. Yeah, and nobody gave it any respect Like that's a cool car like what's wrong with you people? But there was like this thing were like some of those older cars were less desirable So I'm in high school and so I graduated in 85 so we're talking about I think I Think my friend had this car in like 84 So, you know, it really was only 14 years old. Mm-hmm, which is kind of crazy. Yes it is that's super crazy like 86 when we were driving around a 68 was only what I mean 18 years old right wasn't an old car Not yeah super old 18 years old ain't shit. That's like 2,000 what five word you and I are about to do math Which is like kind of a new car Like if you have a 2005 car you can't differentiate them at all from a 2020 Let's you like a car connoisseur. Yeah sure, you know if you have a 2005 Camry, it looks like a 2020 Camry, it's interesting how time marches on how perception? Yeah of length of time It's like you were saying when we sat down with our friendship, let alone everything else. It's like how is that 20 minute? Oh, it's going very fast. That's the one thing the our older Generation when we were growing up told us that was the one truth. It goes so fast. Yeah, enjoy it because It's also because when you were a child One year was literally like one tenth of your life It was so long some eternity because you'd only been out you had so few points of reference But then as you get older and you have more points of reference and more experience and more life Then you realize like oh my god time is full. I don't have much time at all. No one does it's it's It's amazing how it goes quick how the boost kicks in and all of a sudden 40 50 60 What the hell just happened and you're just like let's hang in there as long as I can I got some stem cells today. I did. Yeah, I was reading this thing that this year I'll send it to you Jamie, but they believe now that through stem cell technology. They're going to be able to Extend lifespan far greater and the article said something about like having people Work until they're 120, which is like not a good selling point Yeah You could suffer longer. Yeah, you can hate what you do longer. You got it or any others We'll be living and working to 120 and it will start within a decade says doctor to the star So it doesn't they're not necessarily saying you'll be working until you're 120 but living and working. Mmm. So this guy is Using stem cells. I believe we can create prolongation of life vanch for itself. That sounds like yeah Believe we can have prolonging of life. They can do it done done done Goody probably within a couple years people can live to be 120 150 years old if not longer than that It's not just bed bound non communicating individuals But really active individuals who participate in social life professional life and have a quality of life. That's the goal. Yeah I'm in let's go. I'm enjoying life. You know, I'm enjoying Doing stuff and my friends that are Older that are having like health problems. It really makes me realize like man. You got to stay on top of everything Because if you don't if it slides off and then you have to try to bring it back up It's way harder than maintain. Yeah. I'm yeah. Yeah, you know the stem cell thing if he could if von doom there could get on On the eyeball. Yeah, I'd be very appreciative That would have to they let's tell everybody what happened you because this is a crazy thing. Um, oh It's a real bummer, right? You yeah, just out of nowhere started seeing dark spots, right? No, what happened was well little background I had already Stage one was going into your local doctor I guy because you have metal in your eye Oh, wow, cuz that's some of the fun that happens even when you're wearing safety Gladden that happens even when you're wearing safety glass It just bounces around, you know, you're working with a carbide bit spinning that you know 15,000 rpm stuff bounces around but since then I have I've been using I found this place in France that makes these motor antique motorcycle war one aircraft Use for duels I don't know that one But it seals to your eyes and it's got little vents in it so they don't fog up so but anyway, I got metal in my eye which is For those of you who haven't done it's lots of fun You hold still you're wide awake and they come at you with a dremel drill bit and they drill it out Oh, so and you and the in the instructions are hold still don't move right? Oh my god, I mean they put a numbing drop in but so what you still see the drill bit coming And yet easy easy you can hit The stuff you've been through I'm sure you could handle it Yeah, that's why but so so I've been drilled a couple of times that sounds wrong Yeah, and it if they came up with a photo of my eye it look like a golf ball Well dimples from the drill comes in so anyway that guy is like, you know when they're in there They're if they're experienced cats, they just happen to look around right? Yeah, and he goes hey I Think you should come back and talk to our other doctor so-and-so and have him do some tests because I saw some stuff Don't know but I think it'd be wise if you blah blah blah So I go in we do the test and the guy goes and this is wow. This is a while ago 14 15 years ago here we are again with that time portal, right? He goes you have advanced glaucoma then I go What the hell is that? He goes it's like creeping death slowly takes your peripheral and most Adults don't know that they're going blind till they're 80 and it's moves so slow That you don't you don't notice the change right? Well minds trucking along and so we start with medication that lowers in your eye You basically got a faucet and a drain And if the drains plugged up or if the faucets on overload, it's acting not like a water balloon, but pressure builds that pressure is Think of your optic nerve Right. Your brain is the cable TV company Your eye is the expensive flat-screen TV and the cable connecting the two of them, right? That pressure building up is like somebody with a heel of his boot digging on that cable and sooner or later I Nothing, right? So you take medicine to reduce the pressure so it doesn't eat away at the optic nerve. Okay. Great We got that under control or killer so then Probably eight nine years ago. I have cataract surgery in my right eye and Put the cataract lens in and it's like beautiful and incredible, you know stoked on it beautiful and incredible, you know Stoked on it about a year passes and I'm at PRI Which is the race real serious race version of SEMA. It's in Indianapolis So there's no fuzzy dice there. It's all race car parts and stuff like that and I'm walking around and I just I don't know how to describe it, but It actually moved in stages like a curtain coming down of just gray And then you just saw gray and it was my retina falling detaching so I'm in Indy and I fly back and get together with the doctors and they're like you got to put that shit up and Instead of doing the long version I'll give you the short version seven surgeries later and every time you have the surgery there's stitches in my eye I am and that's fun. That's way more fun than the drilling and you're laying face down for a week. Oh boy can't move and It just kept falling off. They couldn't they couldn't go up. So I went to another surgeon I also have a buckle permanently sewn into my eye did they try to change the shape of the eye to promote? The retina staying up better. Oh boy. So anyway Got to new doctor great guy dr. Smalley back home in Cali and he's like I got this man There's other guys there were losers. We're gonna get it up there and we're gonna stick it up That was surgery six and It didn't hold and he was more. I think he was more depressed than I was and So we scheduled seven and he sat down with me. I remember before we went into Into the operating room. He goes look I I don't think I can I'm gonna go try to save your eye I'm not gonna save your sight Because and he he did it this way which I thought was cool He went and did a little research to speak in my language and he goes when you're trying to weld metal If both the pieces are kind of rusty and beat up or whatever that it won't weld very good, right? I'm gonna go true. He goes so you gotta have clean metal to clean metal to weld. I go. Yes, that's true He goes well all the attempts Have just taken away the living shit out of the Retina so I'm gonna cut away the yucky stuff And I'm gonna have a new edge to They use a laser. They basically the only thing they know how to do is tack weld it up. That's what they do, right? So he goes I'm gonna make new clean edges. I'm gonna weld it up You're gonna lose some side at least because I'm taking away part of the retina But I'm gonna save your eye because if the eye if we can't get something going on in there Then your body will kill off your eye. It shrinks back. It's painful pop it out put a glass eye in I go Yeah, let's yeah, let's not so he did that and He goes I cut away about a third of the retina and I had a visual like a vertical rectangle of sight Right not all the way over here to here here to here but Fast-forwarding scar tissue moved over and pretty much just eliminated and they're like we can go in and Scott McNo No, we're not gonna go in and do it So this one's basically gone, you know, that's that for now, but we'll see if science Check saying no Michael Bisping is No, sir, Michael Bisping is one of the toughest human beings. It's ever walked the face of the earth This is what I said not just because he was UFC middleweight champion But because Michael Bisping fought the last ten fights of his UFC career including winning the title blind in one eye And he didn't tell them he hit it. Oh, I heard about yeah, he hit it He didn't tell anybody do you know gangster? You have to be to want to be fighting the best fighters in the world and not being able to see Anderson Silva and you can't see out of one eye like his his one eye is gone man. Yeah, I understand which is Fighting world-class fighters that you can see his right eye is completely missing. It's like it's just foggy Yeah, he wears like a little thing that goes over it like a lens so it looks normal But he's a fucking stud that guy fought ten fights with one eye I mean just think of fight with two eyes is fucking terrifying and fighting That's the best guys in the world and he wins the title knocks out Luke Rockhold with one eye. Yeah Well, it took a lot. I would sit there and practice like basketball into garbage cans just to try to retain the Perception and real issue right? Yeah, it's it's difficult and then also it's it's frustrating when you're So anyway the the fun I'll interrupt myself to continue with the fun So now I'm where I'm at right and they're like Your other eye is gonna need cataract surgery. Oh Jesus and I'm like so I did ask When the retina fell off? Hey, did the cataract surgery have anything to do with that? Possibly, you know and every doctor and every specialist and everybody I talked to all said the same thing I'm paraphrasing well Any procedure on your eye may could might possibly have the possibility of like one of them commercials for? Oh, you know, so it's like did the operation on your eye cause the retina fall off? Anything could maybe Anything could maybe so anyway, so now I've got to have cataract surgery on this one I got a great guy who's one of the best in the West Coast etc, etc we do the surgery and there is a mistake in Because they're account for my pressures. They tried to keep the pressures low because of my glaucoma. Well, they Went a little too far and my pressures were down to your normal eyes run like your eyes probably run at like 20 22 You know, maybe even a little bit higher but right around there for pressure inside. We'll call it and we'll call it air pressure You know, it's not the right term. But so mine with medication. We keep it down at like 13 and 12, right? Okay, so When after the second cataract surgery the one on the one working eye They had dropped the pressure solo. I coughed and it blew out blood vessels inside my eye Which when you wake up and you look it looks like it's snowing inside your it looks like it's snowing And I'm like what the hell is going on and at the same time we did a special little Surgery to like drill out the drain tube because in my eyes the faucets wide open and the drain tubes plucked That builds the pressure so the medicine turns the faucet down and clears away the drain tube, right? So we drill out the drain tube. I'm over making this web. I'm sure there's eye guys listening That's not technically look they drilled the surrounding mechanic work, right? They drilled the damn tube open so all the blood goes down and plugs that so that ruined that yay and so they rush me and they Basically take a needle and insert fluid into my eye. I'm wide awake mind you Just to little you ever been where the two handles under the table. Oh, yeah Yeah, oh my god Your head secured or anything. I just put it in the little foamy breeze. Oh boy So they do that and that was miscalculated and the pressures went to like 62 and I I was I was What's the word? Terrified. No, I was throwing up. I couldn't stand up. I was so disoriented because it was I mean it was screwing with the deal and So the doc who again great guy. I'm still I'm not slamming him and he actually Met me at his office. I like I don't even know when it was 3 in the morning or and and I'm throwing up in his bushes out front Right and he did this three times heading the thing hands on the handle Took a blade lifted my eye and let the let the pressure out let the fluid out Tell I'm like Taking that right. So now we get the pressures under control right and so that was Two to three years ago and believe me every day when I wake up and I can see Mike is this the day this retina falls off? I'm not gonna have a repeat of the last one I'm the one to live in through it. You don't have to worry about you're good, but still it's for you Yeah, it's you know, but it's like anything else when someone has something they When sitting this always over your shoulder you can either focus on it And worry about it or just go to the shop and build some cool cars You know, well, I'm glad you chose the latter. Yes, that's the only choice to make Yeah, you know, I can't so I do go like every four to six weeks. I have a lady I love Dr. Tor I go to her office. Luckily, it's like a mile and a half from my house So I go down and we check my pressures though. I don't have to she's like you're fine. Come in six months I'm coming in once a week, you know, but I come in there like four to six week We check the pressures we look at the retinas we you know, so we're a day we're have you looked in the stem cells Was there anything there's nothing massive now. I have a meeting with the dr. Asmali. I'm getting together with him next month And he's down it. I think it's UCLA. He's real hip that stuff and I'm gonna So so he's hip to all the yeah, I'm gonna grill him again and I'm interested I'm gonna talk with him because I don't know I was so when they were saying we'll go in and clean the scar tissue I'm like, absolutely. Let me connect you to my friend Brigham He owns ways to well, which is a stem cell clinic in Austin and he is He was one of the most amazing guests ever had on the podcast We're explained how these things work and but one of the things that he does is he he's always up on the latest research In terms of like what he's the one who sent me that thing was this latest article about the thing that was up Under strain years old at the beginning of the horror movie They'll make you forever soldiers Connected to the big machine Oh terrific But let me connect you to him and he'll know what's going on in terms of like if there's anything going on with eyeballs there's a lot of really good stuff with Neurodegenerative issues people that have all sorts of Neurological issues have gone down. I know dr. Reardon from Panama was talking about that. He's the first guy I ever had come on and talk about stem cells He's the guy that came out with Mel Gibson. Oh sure. So that one. Oh, yeah. Oh that guy. Okay. I I How it was described to me was Again, they were at least he was being honest. He was like the retina is like brain tissue. We know what it is And that's yeah, that's about it. We can't reproduce it. We can't copy it. We can't make it We can't well, I'm again. All they do is tack welded up with laser You know hope is they're gonna be able to make new ones Because one of the things they've been able to do with stem cells if they they've actually made a woman's bladder, I believe I believe they Reconstructed a an actual bladder with stem cells with her her tissue and then put it in her body Find if that's true. I think that's true. Hmm, which is Obviously, it seems like that would be a less complicated thing then, you know than an eyeball that has to like And I've heard of them trying to or somebody doing an eyeball Really because it's easier to make the whole thing than try to replicate right? I'm like, how are you gonna connect it to all those optic nerves? How are you? What are you gonna do there? And what does that do to the where did that go south? And also you forget your childhood You know, I mean like what's what's connected back there. Yeah, I don't know I don't know how they're gonna dreams about hanging out with your brother. They're gonna be just gone forever Yeah, I don't know like I I'll be interested to talk with a smalley again when I'm yeah when I'm back in and just see if there's any new Because I'm down for it Jamie. Did you find anything about them making eyeballs? Yeah, you were looking up the bladder did you find that is that real It's real but I never know I mean I say things sometimes and I go okay, let me check Cuz like a lot, you know, I don't expect to be talking about people making bladders. It just you know, this wasn't part of the plan It's just a real conversation Shows that there's definitely studies on bladder regeneration But there's a difference between them like getting a functional urinary tract kind of like functional bladder I see so I think it does it what I've looked at partially see in an animal And a small animal I think They didn't do it to a woman. I was just looking into and then you kind of cut me. Okay. Go ahead Try to find it for a woman because I'm pretty sure I read that Mmm, I was very impressed. They could have got me though. They could have got me some clickbait bullshit They get me so many times they get me these mother look at that Bladder that's their job. You got me. It's fair and square. That's the job Oh, their job is to fucking make some shit that you're gonna click on right so they can make the most outrageous Outrageous version of what is kind of true, right? Is that it no, this is from 2018 it's not the same. Yeah, that's it. This was a little kid though. Is it a girl? Luke, Miss Ella, does he identify as a girl? Way to push sorry Luke push that to the edge trying to push gender ideology on Luke Sure, why not? I'm just trying to be right maybe on Wednesday. I'm just trying to be right Yeah, it's there are stories that are showing I don't know if I might have to find something specific to find the one you're talking about But how was that find the eyeball? Yeah, let's find The eyeballs more important to Steve. Yeah. Yeah, it's all of us a little closer for me there Say anyway, I'm gonna revisit And ask him if we have to go in like they did before to scrape off the scar tissue because I did have a Vertical slot of sight because this I had a new cataract lens which is still in there, right? And I remember when I when I put scar tissues covered over it Yeah, when I could walk around again, and I was walking outside you know, I cover this high and there would be a Instead of this it'd be like that a vertical full height, but just not as wide But clear sight and I'm like, well, hmm, you know, it's been a while now if they can clear that off and I can get that That'd be that'd be awesome. Yeah, I mean, yes, so they think they can do that. He Suggested it back then So I was not ready to do it. I'm sick and tired of being around the table I literally knew how to put the IV I prepped myself for freaking surgery yourself an IV No, I'm just saying I could I was I was so frickin when you go in the surgery center and they go hi, mr Stroup, yeah, you know Recognize you giving yourself an IV next level right? It's like giving yourself a tattoo Yeah, I'm not doing that guys who tattoo the inside of their own thighs like whoa What the hell's doing that a lot of folks? Okay, I'm glad I'm done practice on themselves Hmm. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say no for that one Well tattoo is do it to themselves all the time if they want something and they maybe want to draw it and they're very skilled You know, maybe they want like a specific kind of flower somewhere. Fair enough and they can reach it Okay themselves themselves from one eye show promise and healing injuries in the other Interesting another story to work. It had a very specific eye injury My problem it's not my problem. Well, it is my problem But my situation is there stuff they do on the outside like cadaver stuff But the inside like the retina as long what I've been told is like no man's Lance like well, good luck. Yeah It's like oh you can get that from a dead body. No, no, you can't they can't replace a retina It and if I'm wrong great bring it on. Maybe they just can't do it now Well, yeah, then it's also someone else's organ. So you're gonna have to take all these drugs to keep your body from rejecting it Yeah, I'm sure there's no My friend CT Fletcher had a heart transplant a few years back. He's an amazing person like it's super super inspirational person and Had a heart transplant and now he asked he has someone else's heart inside of him now I stick medication It's a trippy. It's crazy. So your body Well, you have someone else's organ in your body your body knows it's not yours Which is the body tries to reject it, right? So I imagine that does wreck havoc with your immune system, but it's keeping him alive and it's amazing man It's guys so full of love. He was like this crazy wild like power lifter dude who was like real like like just real motivational and aggressive, you know and Now he's like this like real peaceful Interesting like wise person who's enjoying his last moments alive You know, but it's it's heavy. It's heavy. I Mean the heart is obviously the big one, right? Yeah, that's the big probably really important We're we're fucking ten years twenty years away max from them being able to suck your brain out of your head and put in a robot Oh good, that'd be great. They're gonna give you a Steve Stroup robot. That'll be terrific. You know like 10 from the Barbie movie Yeah, and the new the first ones won't be able to feel real pleasure And so you have to sign off on that but then the next ones the better ones That's where this is going So you have to decide whether or not you're gonna get another surgery Well, you're gonna get your they've never removed a brain from one robot and put it in another robot. You know that right? Yeah, but they pretty they know how to do it. They know they're pretty good at it Who's they these new people in the future the robot brain scientists? Oh good. Yeah, we dropped in for that Or would you rather just say let's see what's next? Let's let the lights go dim and see what's next All right, good question. It's a good question. Oh, I don't know hard to say because everybody's scared to die but no one's scared to sleep Hmm that's a good statement. Yeah, it's weird because you're expecting the odds are you're waking up. You should be expecting the other one, too Well, you know true comes for all of us. Yeah, that's the great equalizer. Is it not? I wonder if that's like, you know, if Satan was real, that would be the ultimate temptation to trick you Into transferring your consciousness into something immortal so you can never experience heaven Wouldn't that be wild if that's what's going on Because everybody wants to think that even people that believe in God they don't necessarily talk too much about Satan It's very rare. My I have it. I have a very Your good old standard-issue religious background with my parents and my did you start off with well Then I'm from it. We're gonna get into Apple Aiken in a little while Appalachia Apple a kin what's that? Apple a shin mountains the yeehaw stuff down south what kind of stuff? What You guys you saw stuff. What did you guys do Apple Aiken New York is a very Very small farm town in upstate New York still has a red light at the end of it where it meets 434 Okay has a post office and a fire station Okay, and known for a very important large mafia bus in 1957 There's a mafia bus. There's actually a paperback and a movie about Apple Aiken. What's the what's the movie or paperback? With Apple Aiken, it's just called Apple Aiken. Yes. Yeah. Yes, sir, and it's all about the mob. It's a huge bust Look at on this day in 1957 the FBI finally had to admit that the mafia existed They were all gathered in a farmhouse the leaders of the main Mob families and they were basically working out Jurisdictions properties fun I think I was researching some stuff one time and I stumbled across this meeting happened after a failed meeting in Cleveland Can defeat the Cleveland family fucked up the meeting and they got mad like fuck it. We're doing it in New York Yep, they did it. And so the the two sheriffs just saw these black catalettes and Lincoln's going up to this farmhouse and I think if Memory serves me right they kind of fucked up and all panicked and ran into the woods. In fact, I know they did do that But if they would just would have said hey, we're just hanging out, right? What are you gonna prove? But they all bailed and they ran into that if I remember right there coming out of the woods near where my dad where my Grandma's house was that was a dirt road back then and I could take you there The house is on top of a little hill behind the area where we have our fireman's field days every year now state troopers noticed all the fancy cars parked in Barbara's driveway and started taking down license plate numbers Some have suggested that how hard back then the 57 you get a license plate number What is it like a week do you find out whose fucking car it is? You know what I mean? I'd suggest that one of the Genovese rivals tipped the cops in hopes of spoiling Genovese's crown ceremony Oh God The assembled mafioso noticed this and began to panic some fled into the woods some hidden in the basement Others ran to their cars and tried to drive away The troopers caught about 60 of them when questioned many insisted they were there for a barbecue Yes, they had just come to visit their good friend Joe Barbara Who was recovering from a heart attack when all was said and done the troopers had apprehended mafia leaders from New York, New Jersey Tampa at Los Angeles Cleveland Dallas big me in other locations But isn't that funny? Like what did they bust them for just being there? I don't know they all wanted already They just well, I think this the paperwork laying on the inside was showing Dividing up territories And it was one of the first times that the FBI had pulled up hold up Look at this the whole thing made national news and finally forced the FBI to acknowledge that organized crime was a matter worthy of notice Some believe the J Edgar Hoover's reluctance to acknowledge the mobs existence can be ascribed to the Mafia somehow acquiring photographs of Hoover and drag Using those to blackmail him into leaving the Mafia alone There is no evidence to suggest that this is true That was always the rumor that he drew but that would be the rumor if there was a guy that ran the FBI Like what dark secrets does he have? You know if he's like holding the secrets of everyone what to see what's his secret Probably you'd have to have secrets. You'd probably go crazy if you didn't yeah, you know Like you're the one who keeps the secrets. You'd probably do the weirdest shit. So the eyeball so almost Automatically you would think that he would wear drag Yeah, that's where my brain goes. That's what my brain would go like he's doing some freak shit. He's doing some Freak shit freak shit, you know, if you are more, you know dark-minded you would think even horrible things. They're doing horrible things That's always the the worry that people have about like the elites Like what are they doing like the sculling bones and like what kind of fucking rituals? Freak shit are you doing? Oh, you know and getting away with yeah when you're on a 500 million dollar yacht every weekend And you're just fucking balling all over the world hanging out with your other ball and all over the world But he's doing freak shit. Yep staying in the club together. Mm-hmm hunting people Okay, you know I'm saying yeah freaky freaky Frankie. Yeah. So anyway background small South Apple you can Baptist Church My dad's a deacon at the church. My sister is a Married somebody who's a pastor and she moved to France mountain player and she's a missionary there So all the basic Christian education I got it. Mmm But no one you know has had conversations with the devil right? No, not really but people I bet you've talked to people that said God has Talked to them Not I don't know my dad would never say God talked with me directly said, you know, he reads the Bible It's not an uncommon thing though No But my my my background or the the church I grew up in and my mom and dad are pretty strict like Pastor Walter growing up that guy was a logger You know, this was this was a small little town. That's a story and and and oh he he had I'm not kidding He had a scar from here down through his jaw to hear a chainsaw jumped back and went. Oh Cut him right through the face. That's a man. That's a manly man right there It's like a Teddy Atlas took himself to the hospital Okay, what a tile with a towel on the side or a shirt on the side of his face Of course he did. Yes, he did. I would have fucking stapled it out of And I was and he was the nicest pleasant like hi good afternoon Shit, oh my good enough to convince you so so everything it was real simple Here's a good book read it if it says yes to it if it says no don't it that's all there's no pomp and circumstances No, no real simple real straightforward So but my dad would be interested and he'll be listening to this So he would be interested in your in your thing of if if the end times doesn't come and and Satan can say hey Guess what I can do. But here's the thought would somebody take that if Satan really was clever Oh, he if he's real if he's real, he is the prince and power of the air. He is the great deceiver He is he's very clever Right, but if Satan is a real thing What a genius thing to make it ridiculous to believe in him What a genius thing to make it so that even saying you're you've communicated with Satan or saying Loon sound like a loon. Mm-hmm Because if you're just talking about them that I said that if the president said God is with our troops We would say awesome. But if the president said we've located the devil he's in Afghanistan and we're beginning bombing He'd be like what? What the fuck did you write about genius because if you're ridiculed or look like a loon for believing in Satan Then by default you're a loon for believing in God. So he's done his job by negating everything Well sort of well to a lot of people believe in God. They're both in the same book They believe in Satan as a concept I think I think it's like a there's like a graph True of people that like if you had a pie chart of all the people that believe in God, right? Sure, it's or the entity ones. I think that this that Satan's a real thing It's probably like a quarter of the pie and if they read again, not some weird crazy, but just the plain Jane Bible, right? Satan was the number one angel. He was number two in charge He was the big cheese and said I want to have everything and God was like, oh not gonna happen Yeah, but isn't that always like even in the mob? Yes kind of thing happened number two tries Number one. Yeah when they killed Paul Castellano in front of Sparks Steakhouse in New York City That's a shot you have right there in the hall. No, what is that? Oh, that's Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald. That's right That's yeah, that's a different one. Yep. Yeah, I so in my area around me There's a lot of Italian growing up lots of Italian lots of Italian, right? So I got good food. There you go. Really good food, but so and I know how to eat Oh that God, thank pleasure. Oh Italians got it nailed. Yeah, they do they do Yeah, I'm crazy is the difference between their food here and their food in Italy It's like it's it's it's gone its own Shoot yeah, but that's not what I mean I mean in terms of like what it does to your body I would really like some fucking signs to be done on it Like what is happening you go to Italy you eat their pasta. You don't feel bad at all You come to America you feel like you ate a bowl of glue I'm like, oh my god Hey bowl of glue. I can't move there's something about their bread. It's different that apparently they have heirloom wheat They have different wheat before we started fucking with it. We should unfuck the wheat kids Because I know it's like a higher yield. We're Rogan's new unfund the week But you know There's also some people that believe that one of the things that we're experiencing when people have like gluten intolerance is an intolerance To wheat is actually you might be getting glyphosate from it This is a highly speculative theory, but they've tested people and they found that that was a jamming like 94% of people 94% of people have Glyphosate in their body and glyphosate is toxic. It's a An herbicide. Yeah, it's an herbicide Is it cuz what we do to plant and grow wheat? Yes. Well, we go corn You know Monsanto created it and they created a corn that that is Immune to it. So you eat like this Monsanto corn and they can spray glyphosate on it kills everything else It kills all the bad weeds and then just get the nice corn Okay, the problem is that stuff gets in Everyone's body in some small amounts and the question is like is your body able to filter out the amount that it has in it Like what's the let's the toxic level are we below the fear? Is it fear mongering because like there's a certain amount of top metals that you're gonna get just from eating sushi If you get some salmon or some tuna rather from the Pacific Ocean There's real high possibility that you could get mercury in it some amount, right? Is it like what's the prevalence of? Toxic metals in tuna, let's just guess because I think I have a friend I don't want to mention this to anybody's brilliant and he won't eat fish from the Pacific anymore And I said why and he said Fukushima He said they're they're literally dumping this Nuclear water into the ocean and we don't know what's gonna happen We don't know what effect this is gonna have We don't know the the oceans is gonna easily absorb it or whether it's gonna kill fish We don't know if it's gonna contaminate them if they're gonna have levels of radiation. He was freaking me out And he's a lot smarter than me He doesn't fucking eat fish from the Pacific anymore and like whoa, is that valid? So what what's the first of all, it's look at first one is tuna Are there are levels high levels of mercury and tuna? Yeah, so you could get mercury poisoning from one serving They're sorry. Let me rephrase that the amount of Mercury you're allowed to have in a week. You could get in one serving of tuna Jesus. So if you're eating sushi every day Because I've heard of people actually getting sick from eating sushi every day like they literally get mercury poisoning Yeah Not not good. No What is that shit that I had for Nick, yes, I was eating Sardines like every day. I love sardines. Okay. I love them. So I'd eat like three cans of sardines a day And I go to my doctor. I get my blood work done. He goes, um His arsenic in your body arsenic arsenic Yeah trace levels of arsenic and I said how much like someone's trying to poison me. He goes, I don't think so He goes eating a lot of seafood. I go eat three cans of sardines a day. Go don't do that Don't do that He explains to me that these are bottom feeders and that they live a lot of times in areas that are polluted by humans So we fucking polluted the ocean to the point where if you eat too much fish you get sick You know all these people that are worried about the weather warming up and climate change. What are we doing to the ocean? What are we doing? I mean how many what's the number? In terms of depopulation how much fish are missing from the ocean then then think a large amount Let's ask the population the the fish population in the ocean now versus 50 years ago. Let's find that out. Let's guess Let's guess before we before you give me the answer Let's guess How much of the oceans fish has been depleted in the last 50 years I I'm gonna say 50% no, I'm gonna say 70% Really? Yeah, I'm gonna say 70% Hmm. I was at like 45 That's probably reasonable. I might be fear mongering. Let's find out fear mongering. Yeah, I've done that before. Oh good You not a lot, you know, like, you know, you're not massively no, you know, like you play cornhole at the beach I'm not like a cornhole player Right. I played if she times at the beach with my kids It's on ESPN now. I guess it's a legit sport. Oh dear. So Jamie, what was your guess? Help us all? There's too many questions I have before I could give you a good guess because it's already a strange Like how are they gonna measure that in 1950? Good question. How would you know how many fucking fish there are? Very good question Very good question. Especially when more than six. Yeah, especially when you there's more than six fish. Yes Especially when you account for the fact that we haven't really explored most of the ocean so how they measure We don't know how much they're pulling out right measure how much they've taken in for the murder. That's what's the estimates in terms of the mass that's down 1950 total catch of fish in the ocean was an estimated 18 point 5 million metric tons Now a half century later it says 73.5 million That's an increase but another guy says that 90% of all large fish have been removed since from the ocean since 1950 And I don't like how How would he know? Yeah, click on his Put it up there. Let's see what he says. Well, that sounds interesting because that sounds crazy 90% Clover populizes the work of fisheries scientists such as Daniel Pauli a marine biologist University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada who have pieced together a picture of imminent catastrophe in the global ocean Among the first to recognize that fisheries catch rates were in decline worldwide Pauli discovered in 2001 that the phenomenon had previously gone unnoticed owing to systematic distortions in catch trends that were skewed by incorrect reports from countries of big fisheries in 2003 Boris worm and Ransom Myers of Dalhoy, I said Dalhoy's Dalhoy's II sure University and Halifax Nova Scotia reported that 90% of all large fish including tuna swordfish and Marlin and cod Had been removed from the ocean since 1950 Holy shit Holy shit The land at the end of the line is informative close at a book you wrote the end of the line clovers reporting reveals that bluefin tuna the endangered species with Perhaps the most alarming plight in the ocean is allegedly being bought and frozen in bulk by major corporations Once ocean supplies run dry the frozen fish could be sold at sky-high prices So they're freezing tuna in bulk because they anticipate they're gonna run dry That's wild they're stockpiling like they do diamonds Clover's portrayal of the global fisheries problem falls down on two counts over simplification and polarization Although current fisheries policy is inadequate much of it's based on science. Okay, Chloe's you jet Where have we heard that before? right clover suggest for example that the practice of Discarding by which some seven million tons of caught fish are thrown back into the sea each year has arisen because fishermen Simply do not want the species they have caught but wasteful Discarding is more often the consequence of the fisheries policy that is designed to prevent fishermen targeting Juveniles and species outside of their allotted quota Well, that makes sense because they kill fish and then they have to throw some of them back in the water because they killed fish They were too small but but that's because it's indiscriminate. They're still killing them. That's what they're saying Clover's quick to point out the culprits of the fisheries crisis slippery politicians greedy fishermen and Thoughtless consumers in big businesses while making activists and scientists the stars this show but in adopting a tone of advocacy With its inherent moralism clover isolates viewers and misses an opportunity to place this problem in context Huh? That's it still seems like it's there's a problem. They're just kind of like making it look pretty over exploitation of fisheries is One part of the huge dilemma that humans face an increasingly resource limited world We can seek sustainability, but we will not be able to diversify our consumption indefinitely and climate change will decrease marine resources further They always have to bring about the climate change if you don't people won't take you seriously Those most affected will be the fisher folk of developing countries who fisher folk There's your phone. Why do I hate that term? Who make up 98% of people who are directly dependent on fisheries for their livelihood because it's not fishermen. Yeah It's fisher folk bro. So sure. How many non-binary fishermen are there out there? That's what I want to know That's my lowest population of non-binary humans in groups on earth fishermen No, they sure folk fisher folk. They don't want to fucking hear any of that. That's your folk All those people that are risking their lives to get you crab Doesn't even sound like a real word. I was like sitting on a cartoon fisher folk. Hmm. It sounds like something they say on the Hobbit Sure, you know fisher folk. We're going to visit the fisher folk Yeah, oh good. That's what it is. Yeah Those guys that fucking risked their lives to get you the crabs you ever watch that show Oh the deadliest catch. I mean the crabs are great, but Jesus Christ boys That's a lot of work fucking scary job, but it must be thrilling as fuck Yeah, I you know, I'm not into getting grabbed by a wave and thrown over the side in Arctic waters My friend Clay Guida did it for a little while. I think he did it for the adventure too, but he's crazy He's a UFC fighter, but he's out of his mind, but he's crazy Yeah, he's a wild man But you know, that's the kind of guy who would you know, take a ride on one of them boats go get some crabs Yeah, they pay you a lot of money though, and they probably should I think they have to because people die because it's crazy You fall in that water. You're fucksville. Yep. That's not good. Yep, and that thing sloshing all over the place I don't think I can handle that you have to sleep in that fucking thing now And they go out for a long time. It's above my pay grade. Yeah, I'm not doing it Well, thank God you can fucking turn a wrench sir So I was I was going to springboard Mmm off of Apple Aiken because that's from whence I can stay on track. I love it. Yeah So how I came To be here with you backtracking to shop backtracking for from California starting in New York in our pre-mentioned Apple Aiken By the way Apple Aiken weird stupid Background Apple a chin and Apple a kin the only difference is the amount of peas in the name Oh really? Yeah, which one has more peas Apple a chin? Hmm Mine is APA LA Must be annoying that people confuse those two with you and you have to explain it every goddamn time I try to stay away from it. Yeah, just say small-town, New York. Yeah, it's easier. All right, so I'm tinkering on cars and Apple Aiken. I'm spending most of my time onstage playing Cars were my drop-dead hobby loved it at Night backstage, I'd be reading my new issue of hot rod my little glass of ice water You know couldn't wait for my new issue and I'd go to many car shows as I could go to during the summer and The quick version is a real good friend of mine Shawn Davis from Canada said hey, we're gonna go to the show up in in Rhinebeck, New York and there's gonna be a guy there. We're gonna meet I met him at a big show in Indy and he's gonna make me a billet steering wheel to match my Boyd wheels This is where all the car guys could pay attention. And so we went to the said show met this guy Jim Wanted to go into dinner with him and the guy's like, you know, I'm a machinist. I got a place in Riverside, California I should be back there making parts I need somebody like go around the country and sell this stuff and Shawn goes slaps me on the back go greatest salesman right here and I'm like oh What and that turned into a conversation? And it turned into me like not letting go of it sold everything I had Moved got out here to Riverside got there guy had already been evicted out of his apartment So I've got nowhere to live. I'm now living At one of his employees houses, oh boy and We're working along been there about a month or so and The federal Marshalls show up They're not in a good mood At all. What are they looking for? I don't know, but I'm like, here's my driver's license. I just got here I don't kind of questions that they asking they are not asking me shit They're walking around with clipboards and looking at what I thought because I stayed away from it I thought they were checking serial numbers on the CNC machines That's what I thought I have no proof. Okay, I understand So I thought maybe there was some stolen machine or something cuz federal Marshalls don't come out for got it For a party. So anyway, um, how's that turn out now? Well, I'm like, oh god No, I'm not gonna have any job. I don't know anybody out here and This is not a car shop. They're just machining billet street rod parts They do have one car there a 44 which is owned by one of the guys that owned TCI total cost involved street rod place and The one of the workers for TCI comes down once a week to check on the car because we're one-off in parts for him, right? So I know that guy so we're getting our parts ready We're gonna go into the LA Roadster show Father's Day show in Pomona. We're gonna sell our stuff So I'm I'm setting up on Thursday and this guy the only guy I know Besides the two other machinists goes hey man, you could have come to our annual open house tonight I'm like, well, I got no money. I live way down in Riverside or Oceanside actually But I'd love to go I've read about it every year in Street Rider magazine So I go to the party and I'm like, hey man You know anybody hiring? Then he goes hmm kind of hard man You got it. Somebody's got to know you or have some background some history something, you know, like no, I'm just throwing it out there So I'll drive all the way to Oceanside get a couple hours sleep drive all the way back to Pomona And the next morning he goes hey, come here You know what? He was like 10 minutes after you left last night guy named Gary Dagle said he was looking for someone working He's in Orange County And I go I actually know the name from our list. He sells our stuff He goes well, he's two miles down take a right go up there You'll see a sign day goes so I went and talked with Gary Dagle and he goes well You're on Jim's dime right now lunchtime Meet me outside and we'll talk so we talked set up for a job The Talk about having a job on Monday. So Sunday night. We're back at shows over with I'm putting parts back on the shelf And I still remember because the place had like half the lights working dimly lit. I see Jim coming around the corner going You might Start looking for some work So now I don't have to ask off for Monday went ahead the meeting with Gary got hired and And so I timed it I flew home got my 67 El Camino that I built in my dad's barn in my aunt's garage and timed it that I stopped at the Hot Rod magazine Super Nationals in Ohio and Editor Jeff Smith and Rob Canan approached me and said we'd like to feature your car in Hot Rod magazine and I went Okay, but I got to go unload everything because every earthly possession I have is in it so I drove it back to the hotel unloaded everything and Brought it back picture that car. Yeah, I actually gave him I came with a thumb drive of a whole bunch of stuff just oh you prepare I did prepare so let me see this 67. It's a bright orange El Camino So when I got here to California then custom classic truck and custom router featured it also there it is There it is. Yeah, New Street pretty. Yeah, so I built that what year is this we're looking at 1995 That's a beautiful car that built it at home And so and then you drove it across the country. Yeah drove it across country Wow. What was in that thing? Stroker 355 stroker small block, but it it it it get going just fine. It's beautiful, man. Thank you. I usually don't like El Camino's Yeah, I I I I I like them we're some yeah, they're so weird. It's like why is there like this open spot in the back? That's the catches air those El Camino's are station wagons with the top pulled off Hmm the bed frame at the very front of the bed where in the bed frame at the very front of the bed Where it kisses the back of the cab they have a bolt in piece of metal when you take that out That's the floor pan for the rear seat in the station So it's a station wagon with the back taken off and a bed It's just like who was like I want a car but also want to pick up I want a char that kind of stopped happening they gave up Yeah, they did by the like if they try to bring back to El Camino today people like what the fuck are you doing? The GM still had one for a while down in Australia. They did. Yeah, they had a little well it a yout They you base it off of the Mandera, which was like their GTO the chaville they had it for a while really Yeah, they like different stuff down there. They do Australia has different tastes. They love They like a lot of utility. Yeah, there you go. Oh god His reaction oh god well a lot of those folks they like to fucking crocodile Dundee it up and go out in the back Something a throw a fucking ten those things are built though the the motor and the drivetrain are basically Camaro That's crazy actually now I'm changing my mind that might have made it in America. You know what about that? There's some knuckleheads. It would have bought that That's nice I'm being honest so you have to be a knucklehead to choose that so I get out. That's a bad thing Some of my favorite people are knuckleheads Yeah, but if you're like if you have tuned that between that or a new Mustang like the fuck are you doing? Well, you can throw stuff in the bag. So what? Can you get the Mustang shut the fuck up? No if fans are bringing it back There's no if fans are but mustangs one of the few cars that kept it together Like they lost it for a long time, but they've got it back and now they're better than ever like these new Mustangs They're putting out today. They're fucking amazing. Oh, they're great cars brutal that new one the Dark Horse. That's a fucking great car Mm-hmm right from the factory six-speed 500 horsepower Reasonably priced that looks fucking great. Yeah, they're making like real muscle cars, but like modern muscle cars It's nice that that's still going on. Yes. I agree. I Seem to be a proponent for that. Yeah, it's just like people forgot the American muscle car is one of the most fun things to drive Ever sure it might not handle the best might not be the fastest might not this it might not that But it's what it does to you like how it makes you feel when you drive it. They're very visceral. Yes, it's very visceral It's very exciting. It's like it stimulates you. It's warm. Yeah, that's why I like driving across country Yeah, it's fun window down. I'm out. Yeah, they're alive Matthew McConaughey movie. Yeah, you're alive So I get here and I wind up staying working for Gary Dagle and the mag the car gets in a bunch of magazines I wind up moving from The Orange County area up the Studio City join a new band start recording an album and I sell my El Camino to a kid in Japan and I'm like I Got to do a cool car So I went down. It's still there on the corner of Ventura Boulevard. Someone in Japan bought it. Yeah, that's awesome So now it's over in Tokyo. Do you know where you ever keep an eye on? Oh, I don't know where it went That was a while ago. Someone will reach out Maybe so on the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Boulevard down in Studio City There right now it's still a FedEx office, but it was a kinkos the kinkos was where pure vision begat I was there a photocopy in my magazine features and I had my friend Matt Willoughby in Ohio draw this idea of this 66 charger that was called Scully Because that's what the pros do they had artwork first right and I went to hot rod and said hey You guys thought I was cool before I built a car that you featured and I'm gonna build this thing and I'm gonna show up On your power tour right and I'm gonna use these parts all these people that sponsor your power tour Is that you as a young man's of this voice? Yeah, who knows or an idiot whatever I am So I go over to all the potential sponsors. All right, I'll saw more official I go over all the sponsor potential guys and go. Hey, I had to mail there was no email so I mailed these packets of Color photo copies of my my El Camino that's been in the prior magazines proving like hey I've done it once and going hey my proposals I'm gonna build this car and I'm gonna take it on the power tour that you were sponsoring so basically they sponsored me with some parts and they ran the artwork of my car and I built it in my shared tandem parking garage Underground parking garage at my apartment on wood set Avenue, which were with set crosses into crashes into Ventura Boulevard Built it there. So you built it in a parking garage a lot of it other people. Mm-hmm Yeah, I would go to the junkyard get the parts like the example how big this is a two-car garage No, it's an underground parking garage. Like how many people are parked in that garage? Well, that's tandem one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve and you have just one spot Yeah, and in that one spot you're building a car pretty much And so there's a car right next to you when you're building this car, right? So you're pulling fenders off and sharing a car right there. I'd a lot of a lot of stuff was done in that garage Yes, I that's never parked next to you. Right? Well, I am Wonderfully respectful. I'm sure but who the fuck is gonna park next to the guy who's building a car. They don't know It's covered all day at work at night So I'll give you an example of what I did Went to the junkyard for the front end swap pieces to convert it to disc brakes Right because I know the swaps and all that stuff. So I get all those parts and out the back of The apartment building there's a concrete slab and that's it. There was like a really bad table in a chair Nobody ever sits there So I found the one outside the building Electric outlet bought two extension cords to go because it's all the way on the other side of the building wrap it around the building and I got a drill and a wire wheel on it and a screwdriver and I scraped all the old muck and then wire wheeled them to bare metal all The parts and then I went to the did you have goggles on back then? Yeah So you're in the garage. I'm not in the garage. I'm out back of the building now grinding everything clean Right and then wiped everything with acetone and then at night about two in the morning I went to the the like Home Depot and you know those pieces of plastic you can buy there for when you paint a room It's like 12 foot by 15 foot whatever. Yeah covered everybody's cars Oh Jesus Christ, and then I hung I hung all the parts on the water coming out like you Go to your friend's house three in the morning. I go downstairs your cars covered with plastic and this fucking lunatic I covered all the cars so no one would get a paint on it and epoxy painted all the suspension parts I hung them from the water. Oh my god, then I dissemble the car Now when did you get done? Stop like 6 30 in the morning. Yeah whenever yeah, just yeah, did anybody ever come out and see their car covered in plastic? No, I always removed all the evidence No, one every night a week. Did you have people covered in plastic all the time? That is so wild so all the time that's so why and so I had another friend that I did exchange work He painted it for me and let me use his place for reassembly and I rebuilt the suspension and the in this and the engine in His 67 pickup truck for an exchange right yeah, so I get the car ready take it to the the kickoff party for the power tour we're gonna drive from California to Michigan and I haven't even changed the the cam brake in oil yet. This car is fresh Fresh and I'm gonna drive it to which I did by the way so kickoff party what beget from that is How rod magazine featured it mopar muscle featured it put on the cover Daytona magazine in Japan featured it There it is and at the end of the year. Yeah, they're scully. That's a That's a it's a yeah kind of an odd black and white, but it's a Jaguar color called topaz Yeah, it's like a blue right no no it's a light silvery gold It's on that thumb drive. It is right there. Yeah there Oh, why do you think topo? I'm thinking so that's the car I built in the underground parking garage. God. That's beautiful Yeah, it came out nice and so God that's gorgeous at the end of the year It also got top 10 car of the year and you build in a fucking garage with a bunch of cars covered in You know you know what do that's it's when you want too bad enough. Yeah, I mean beautiful that car pretty car God that's so nice and so that started the ball well the El Camino technically did but what a beautiful car that is man So other pictures of that yeah, there's there's some other stuff up over there click on that link That's his pure vision scully right under the big picture Um oh that's the the graphic I designed now that whole that that stupid skull right there has a story So I designed this pinstripe I wanted bone-red bone and then at the very front obviously the bone turns into the skull with wraparound glasses Every one of those dang stitches are hand drawn. I did in fact that sides me I did the driver's side no my friend Matt will be Here's the backstone so I told him I go here's the idea I gave this really horrible sketch of the skull with his wraparound sunglasses And he did this piece of artwork for me with the car and the skull and when he sent the artwork I'm like that's that's not the skull well he he Faxed it to me the idea Like his version of what I was telling him okay, and the facts was like that was it's that Stretched and cool as shit right so anyway so the facts fucked it up better the facts pulled it That's a me so when he flew out to put it on I showed him the facts and he went oh My god the facts must have dragged Cuz that looks almost like a wolf yeah kind of it was a mistake like if that was a dude I'd be terrified of him right it was it was a mistake, and I said well That's what we're using and he's like oh hell. Yeah, we are hell. Yeah, that's all so we did that graph Show me a photograph of what that looks like in perspective with the rest of the car Well if you click on that link where you're at. Yeah, that just the front three-quarter Not that one just the one right next to it on the Nope other To the right to the right yep, yeah, you'll see it's up at the very front of the front fender It's written the front corner. It's right there right there. Show me the close-up on it Jamie because there's a close-up in one of those other photos That right there. Oh, that's so sick so all the way down the car It's just a bone-red bone pinstripe with all those hand stitches, so that's Matt stitches We had to boot we only had so long we were doing that the graphic overnight at a borrowed paint booth That car is so rock and roll so yeah, just carbureted 360 out of a Cordoba that is with a warmed up cam and stuff It's straightforward that cars like a 1974 AC DC song You know I'm saying like look at that thing God Do me pretty and the how pretty that is and the interiors all four bucket seats and a console go back all the way back to The rear end view of it look at that. Yeah cool car. They only made them two years 66 and 67. It's fucking gorgeous Yeah, it's neat big gorgeous. I don't think I've seen one. I've definitely not seen one very few and far between That's why I did it. It's a perfect car to do it with cuz it's so pretty man Yeah, the back end of that is just fucking heavenly. Yeah, it's cool. They're neat it I Enjoy them and so that was a lot of fun and then on that power tour I made a kid named Martin wine red who had a black Challenger and I go I got an idea for your car And then we built the car in his driveway, and it was called challenger X and that was that big I was the first guy's doing any pro touring Mopars and this challenger X was the first car to have that I knew of Street driven carbon fiber driveshaft. It was like the second set of big 18 inch torque thrusts We worked with a guy named Craig rails back at BDS for the 8 stack EFI injection on a small block Chrysler And there that'll be on that on that thumb drive. I gave you it's called challenger X right there black challenger Yeah, so that that car We took that on a power tour from here to Florida and back and And there it is. Yeah, pretty car. That's another car the challenger. Yeah, that came out nice a 70, right? 72 72 really I did the whole interior and a tan and we built that in Martin's Driveway, so 72 challenges are still dope 72. Yeah, they're the same as 70. It's just a bumper But 72 Barracuda's got goofy. Mm-hmm, you know, yeah Still looks sick. Yeah, I did all the gauges and tan and did this whole thing in here So anyway this car we drive it and it gets features and it gets top 10 car of the year So I've got two top 10 cars a year and like nine or ten features now. I don't even have a shop yet I've been building out of a barn out of a tandem parking garage and somebody's driveway So my batting average is doing pretty good. So you might get it get a place. Yeah, I finally get a place and Build a couple of other stuff and I started on a duster which we called dust. Yeah, which would I I kept the duster lettering? But made it dust you put that on the power tour and that car Exploded it was let me see that cuz we're talking about it earlier. I like a duster. Yeah, this this is a really nice Underappreciated car. Yep. And there was this duster. That was a 72. Yeah. Okay, so that's those are the years they were underappreciated and We built that and I drove that again from California to Michigan. Is that in your photo? Yeah No, it's in it's on the thumb drive. It's a bright old square. There's the duster. Yeah Underappreciated car. So that thing has a lot of pictures a lot of trick stuff that Nobody had ever done yet on mopar suspensions And so what did you do it? Well, that's a really lightweight car really was that way Oh Probably 36 or 34. Wow, but it's small. Yep So all of them like a 65 Mustang like is it in the no, that's smaller than a Mustang Nope, but light there's not a lot to him. Mmm. So that car like Again, I'm so fortunate Hotrod Mopar muscle all these books its cover its centerfold pullout poster. It's a screen saver because that just started It's a die cast car. It's top ten car of the year. So now I got three, you know It's just it's been amazing and again, so unbelievably fortunate that you're talented man You can't see it. But you know what? I mean it is I'm surrounded It's also hard work. It is hard work. So at that point I was living in the shop. I Didn't have money for an apartment So my bed was next to my lift and I had a piece of plastic that I threw over the bed So this is the rust and oil and everything else wouldn't get on my bed And then I joined a 24-hour fitness so I had somewhere to shower Wow, how many people have done that? Yeah, well a lot I don't know if they're stupid as me but I did it a Lot of people do that when they're living out their cars a lot of comedians did that got a membership of 24-hour fitness up in their car. Yeah, well that I was sleeping in the shop. Yeah, so That car really launched stuff and I got a phone call That car by the way, Richie Jackson still owns it. He bought it off the guy I built it from he still owns Jackson might be like the biggest hot rod collector. Yeah, he lost a lot in the fire about 20 years ago Oh, no buildings worth. Oh, no so Anyway, the guy that I built that car for Romeo. Sure. Yo, that's his real name He wanted to do another car and I got I just came back from showering with 30 strangers 24-hour fitness and my I'm having my bowl of Cheerios and my phone rings and it's gentleman named David Hakeem and a couple of other Bigwig gentlemen from Mopar performance from Chrysler Like we've been watching what you've been doing. We want to be synonymous with pure vision Here's the catalog next time you build something whatever you want. Let us know. That's awesome And we built a car or I built a car. I was still basically alone Called GTX R. I had great a fantastic painter named Russ Stevenson that put up with me At that time now I have Mick Jenkins who is just beyond incredible We'll get to that in a second. But on GTX R I wanted to use the big-body Satellite that nobody ever uses and nobody likes and they're very swoopy like Ferraris They go like they're coke bottled But they the way they set stock is they look like an elephant on stilts. There you go. That's a cool car So this was my first time ever at SEMA. Is that an AMG? No, it's a Plymouth Sally Plymouth. Yeah So I Got as a wild-looking car. Yeah, right there very see very many. No, they're very because no one cared these things were so curvy I got a great story about but it's so cool that shot the Mopar the one with the blues the blue sky behind it With the blue sky Jamie you're right in the middle almost the photo with the blue sky No, right there. Yeah that one. Yeah, so So I'm getting ready. I'm thrashing to get the thing done to go to SEMA I've never been to SEMA before and I'm unveiling the car in Chrysler's booth on a turntable Right first time there. So this is like just cracking six in the morning We had already driven from in the trucking trailer driven from what year's this? When did I do that? Hold on. That's why I have my nose. Yes. Oh god, right I like how you want the fat tires in the rear 2003 I get really sad when I see a muscle car with skinny rear tires. Oh, no always big go tire yeah, so this is when you're coming down the grade into Vegas and Before there was nothing over to the right Now it's all houses and everything all the way the Henderson right before there was nothing there This is when the roads were paved and there wasn't one building put up and the photographer is In a ditch that is like five feet deep for the what will be the plumbing and all that stuff And he's sitting there. His name was Randy Bull again. I remember him because again, no digital cameras. It was Right. Hey like how I did that. So almost sounded like it. No, it was horrible. Anyway, I hear him go Cover they're like, oh, that's cool. So that car was the world's first Paddle shifted muscle car. I created the paddle shifts in it At that time the interior the only there's one shot that I put on the thumb drive again I don't know if you have that in but there's an interior shot. So what kind of a Transmission at the time there was the brand new truck 518 for four-speed overdrive That was in the brand new pickup trucks for 2002 2003 Overdrive was becoming a new thing. So there you go So I made that I had a really amazing billet guy He did the intakes on that more will look at the motor in a second and those paddles I made everything out of wood first and there was work micro switches in the inside the column the factory column and Underneath see others three horn buttons little pads underneath the right one up at 3 o'clock there's a micro switch under that now and so the I used a company called Deeden bear that made Pneumatic shifters for drag racing. Okay. Okay, it goes it immediately shifts. It's hooked up to a computer So all I did and it's air that you know that like the co2 guns and hair cartridge Yeah, one of those are in the trunk and It runs the this Cellanoid that is attached to a B&M ratchet shifter so you can never skip a gear right? Bim Bim Bim And they are hooked up. So shift up pulls back I called Dean Baron can I and I said can you make me one that pushes and pulls like sure So up shift down shift Wow, and then this button under the horn I use the horn circuit that turns the overdrive on and off so you up highway second third Overdrive or second there the Canyon second. Where's the horn now? That the there's no horn Fuck the horn you gave up the horn. Yeah, nobody cared But so I had like every executive because the shifter moves while you're hitting the paddles Uh-huh because the ratchets because the co2 is working it right? I owe it's the end of the first day we had to go refill the bottle which was like that bet that point 75 cents it's good for about 200 shifts But it was fully functioning and working and worked fantastic and it was actually Foolproof because even if you ran out of co2 you just grab shifter put it in drive and drive it around right So it only applied to when you're one. Yeah when you wanted to yeah, but it worked really good The problem was nobody had a shift kit So the transmission couldn't shift as fast as because I turned the wick up turn the pressure up and it go bam bam I mean it shipped right freaking now and then the transmission would be like Well, no it it catch up eventually but they then place like Fairbanks and other companies started making shift kits Yeah, you don't make normal cars. You you really over complicate your life Yeah, yeah So so you move forward from that car and then I built a car called hammer And that was a roadrunner. That was the first one I saw. Yeah, and hammer was in um, My actually it was in the same It was a season later on rides. They followed me building My car like they followed sick fish because you were first season. I think so It was the first episode of the first season. I don't know because you're fancy No, I don't think I was on the first season. I thought you were I don't know I think there was other one. I think I don't know if I was I definitely don't think I was the first episode So built hammer and that was you know, I had an interior guy who didn't show up the night before sema And a whole bunch of disaster and showed up to sema a day late and which was also Fantastic because everybody the rumor was around that this car being filmed Was late and it may or may not show up and and we we got there and um Uh, so that was my first rides episode And then about it there she is. There she is. My god, that's so that thing still holds up that is owned by the gentleman who owns Traxis the radio controlled empire when I went to your shop that was there the first time I went yeah It's a lovely. Oh my god. It still looks good. Of course. It looks good. How could it not look good? I don't know. I'm just still looks like that. Yes, it does. It does look That thing spawned a million copies god. It's so pretty So that's even better. So that's even better than the other one. No, I yeah, oh the roadrunner Yeah, that's actually a sport satellite with borrowed trim pieces from gtx and roadrunner Really? Yeah, like like cherry picking like the trim. So what's a sport satellite sports satellite? Click on that link so we could see more pictures of that. That thing's fucking pretty man. Oh, look at that artwork and and uh, so Click on the interior Yeah, I made I handmade the dash out of metal, uh on the on that car. Wow And uh, shannon hudson at redline gauge works did I did a drop recess like a bmw and it and the red lights Just washed down. Thank god. You made that a manual. Oh, yes um, and uh I copied across the back on those cars. They have the individual letters plimith plm Right. Yeah, so I copied the font and had letters made that spelled hammer And then made a new set on the dash. Yeah. No, I saw that Click on that jimmy so you can see how it looks it looks amazing in the back Oh the tail panel. Oh, that's was when we're there's vin To vin diesel drive it. Uh, well, he was in it the the stuntman did the burnouts and they were in the movie That's the end of tokyo. Well, that's where I was going. We I got a phone call from do you know dennis mccarthy? No, I don't okay. He's the guy that handles all the cars for all the fast furious movies. Let me see some more pictures of that so he um And so they want to put it in fast and furious. Well, I got a phone call from him He got my number from one of the one of the editors at hot rod and he goes hey uh, my name is dennis mccarthy and i'm doing fast and furious stuff and uh We uh, we need a car for vin diesel It's going to come we're going to bring his his character back in this movie And I hear you have the the most badass mopar in southern california. Is that true? And I go fuck. Yeah Yeah, it is. I have we have a bad son of a bitch So they rented it And uh it but it's the car in the stunt scenes. It's the car doing the burnouts. It's wow And um who owns it now, uh the guy that owns tracksis the radio control car company. Oh He he bought it off of eric god. I hope he drives it. I hope so, too The thing thing was wonderful. So it we actually unveiled it twice at sema We brought it back a couple years later with the new hall aluminum Uh hemmy the color of it with the wheels with the black wheels the silver outline god, it's perfect kinesis wheels K19s and the color is bmw sterling greys Again, uh, oh that's emw sterling gray. That's sterling gray factory color fucking gorgeous color Yes, it is and that that photography is from the man himself randy lorraine's another fantastic photographer. Let me see some pictures in like higher light Jamie sir any pictures Yeah, but let's just leave see yeah go to that one that's outside with the red on the bottom of it right above your cursor Yeah, oh, yeah at the red carpet. Yeah, look at that Yep sharp card god. It's gorgeous. So that obviously did wonders And that was like 2005 2006 had a bunch of other really cool stuff and then we built the anvil Mustang uh We helped develop all the carbon fiber pieces for a company called anvil and we unveiled the car at sema in 2010 and um I knew we had a really good car It's all candle lever pushrod inboard suspension like an f1 car And we wide-bodied it except you can't tell unless it's sitting next to a stock when we actually bode the quarter panels So at the door and at the tail lights, it's stock pull that up curves up Um, there it is another so Lots of work done to that thing. The whole nose is all carbon fiber and it's widened and and changed Tail panels changed. I did it like a further. You can see the candle the pushrod candle lever inboard suspension there the coilovers laid down Must handle like a motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lovely car and that's an all-in. That's the rear seat area That's the inboard That's a mire's rear and everything's like quick pins So you can literally snap take out the coilovers put in a different Do not stick your fingers in there kids. No bad while the car is driving Do not stick your finger. It is fantastic to watch in the rearview mirror. Oh my god, it must be amazing You're sitting there watching the stuff work and you're like, oh I gotta be driving. Sorry. Yeah, just don't have a gym bag back there Yeah, bad. Oh my god. Look at that interior So um, that's gorgeous We that's a perfect interior for that car and we a lot of times see that down bar going down through the roll bar Yes, that does not touch you when you're in the passenger seat really touches. Nobody So it's what if you're a big guy? There's a lot of room But that comes out to that bolts and unbolts so um Yeah, a little switches and handles and whatnot. Fuck. Yeah. Does the guy who has this drive it? Yeah, as far as I know He's gotta drive this. Uh, so it won. Oh, look at that. That is so gorgeous, man It won the ford design award car of the show at sema, which was that's 69, right? Uh, yes, you're correct So it might be the most gorgeous 69 i've ever seen. Yeah lots that again lots nothing stocks nothing stock Everything's that fucking suspension set up in the back seat. Yeah, that was cool. Gives me a childhood boner Okay, good. Um So that all this stuff comes back to when your kids right heck yeah All the stuff come back hot wheels. Yeah hot wheels and what the cool cars were in your neighborhood, which that there's a miracle for me in 2005 or so i'm in an airport And before when I was when I was building scully the the silver car 97 ish I left the job. I was working and went working for a gentleman named bruce schultz And he did sublet work for metel and action die cast And we did prototypes it was before there was rapid prototype anything so you'd get a drawing from the metel crazy hot wheel designer It's like make this Or we'd get some and go Here we need these 25 stripped and painted a different color and different graphics for toy fair So I when I worked for bruce, I met a guy named kelly cox Mr. Kelly cox who as of right now is going on. It's like his 18th or 19th year as an employee for me We became really good friends working together. We found out we loved the same music. We had the same sense of humor and uh So I met kelly working for bruce And I was building that When I built that charger I drove it over to bruce's house because I'd met him like a year before and I said hey Look what I did because he saw the car I started with and he goes you did that and i'm like, yeah He goes, can you build model cars? I'm like Yeah, he's like want to work here. I'm like where he goes here in my garage This is what we do blah blah blah blah blah and he goes how much do you make? Working for chrysler. I go x he goes i'll promise you x and you can make y i'm like i'm quitting tomorrow So i'm just in this guy's garage building model basically i'm over simplifying but building super cool one-off model Stuff for metel and hot wheels. That's 97 right 90 98 going into 99 fast forward 2005 my shop is now up and running I've had a bunch of magazine features I'm at an airport and one of the guys I wrote that worked at metel was in the airport too I recognize him because I used to be down there all the time bringing in prototypes And i'm joking with him and i'm like, hey, man How many super cool features do I got to have before I can get a hot wheels made of one of my cars? And he goes, you know what? That's a good idea. I'm like, uh Yeah, it's a good idea. You know, I was joking with him So they had a new line of your normal hot wheels are 164th scale They were going to try this new thing with like 150th scale and they're going to call them g machines and they're like We'll do a 12 car line with you. You you create the paint scheme and then this and then that but We have X amount of little wheels you can use an x amount of this and that Well that worked for both of us because I know working with them. I understand the cost of extra extra stripes never Costs money so I know how to make a car simple and that one a little more elaborate and then the budget balances out I understood all that already So I went down had a designer group meeting and I got a 12 car line That in the back window was very car. It's got my pure vision logo Now in the back of the box it says pure vision the premier hot rod shop in southern california these went global And I mean it's the hugest honor. It's an unbelievable opportunity that I'd still and like, you know pinching myself that that even happened and um so Uh, that was an amazing opportunity working at bruce's if he got me having a toy line later and Having uh, you know my my guy that's been with me forever kelly working for me So I was very fortunate again that the stars lined up that way. That's great, man. It's not fortunate though. It's talent Well, you have an eye for cars, you know, it's true But it's an art form, you know, and you're an artist in other ways, you know, you you play music your your guy creates things That's what I think is so interesting about your cars is that you don't just like make a cool car You make a cool car with all these little easter eggs in it There's always a little yes And that's really cool that you say that because we've joked about it at car shows Our our cars is the easter egg hut you keep coming back and finding. I didn't even see that. Well if you go to the um the The video you did oh my god the the the one on uh, youtube with that narrows it down The one about this about my car. Oh your car. Yeah. Yeah Why am I fucking blanking on autotopia? Autotopia. Thank you Sean Sean at autotopia that which is an amazing video where you go over in detail like all the different weird things that you did Little things we changed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. John's. Oh god. Sean's awesome. Yeah, really fun He's a good guy. He seems like a really good guy and These uh videos are awesome. His videos are all awesome, but this one is particularly cool Yeah, and he loved being in the car and the thing is is i'm friends with him too. So Off off camera, you know, he'll tell me good bad ugly, you know And he just loved being in the car Really appreciated all the all the work actually. What are you doing now? What are you working on now? Oh my gosh. I got um, we just finished up a really amazing chevelle for a guy named habib that um again Thankful, uh cover of hemings and it's about to come out in chevy hug. Is that a 67? Yeah the the turquoise aqua I've seen that yeah That's a lot of like three magazines featuring that and a bunch of crap you and I had talked about doing a chevelle Yeah, well you were you i've still got all the notes Because I went hog wild i'm a 68 you were you you were you think you handed me was a 68 Show that what it was in that list. Yeah, like I like these seven cars Which one do I do? I'm glad we went with the nova Yeah, well, I took you to gary to z and it's and it's on the thumb drive the z28 nova Yeah, yeah something about that. I had this like light bulb and that sounded gnarly that thing always sounds gnarly too It was really cool It was just a you know, you did a z28 version of a 1969. Yeah, if you could have ordered a 69 nova Yep, yep, there it is right there and it was and I saw that and like a light bulb went off of my head I was like that's the car. Yeah, that's the car Yep, yours and his are very very very very very very different But yeah very different but still fucking super cool like that one. I I remember thinking wow You don't see enough of these. No. No. No that guy in australia made a cool one cam You know that one guy in australia? Uh I think I know the car you're talking about something by cam I'm not super familiar, but I think I know what you're talking about. He made this really wild black 68 or 69 nova And uh did some really cool stuff to it And it was a few years back Hot rods by cam rides by cam. I just kind of yeah. Yeah, see if you can find his nova No, there's a black one. He made a black one. Hmm. That's a nova also. Yeah Yeah See if you can see his black nova cam black nova Yeah, that's it that's it look at this fucking thing this thing's give me some volume Yeah Oh there guys look at that thing Yeah I Can hear the turbos that's what i'm talking about the waste skates What does that girl have to do with this man what is going on here she's in her underwear what's happening here photo shoot probably Yeah, why are they showing that show me that goddamn car stop trying to distract me They want to just want to keep you looking, you know They figure you're only gonna look at that car for about 45 seconds. But that's why I'm throwing a hot lady in a bikini Sorry, she's still on she's still on the screen. Oh, where's the fucking car? Where's the fucking car that left car there she is again. That's it for long She's a wild one too tattooed up. Oh great That's what you want if you want a car like that you want a lady like that fair enough That's the dream cam selling the dream. Is that what he's doing. He's selling the dream. Okay the dream. Don't you see? Yeah, I saw that car's wild. Uh-huh. Sounds healthy. Show me some extra images of that car It's uh, yeah, so that car too influenced my decision. Oh So, I don't know if that car was like during the time we had already decided on anova though Because this guy built that a few years back. Yeah I'm unfamiliar with it, man. It's good Look at that. It's a little taller rear tire, but that's me. Oh, yeah, that's an older school Rubber band. I want to say old school like everyone does their own thing But early 2000s they were doing a lot of that right? Look at that thing though. Oh Good lord That's beautiful. The gold hood. Yeah, beautiful car. I think it's a twin turbo if I remember Yeah, it sounded like I was hearing the waste gates pop when he was doing acceleration Yeah, click on that image of right there where your cursor is right there. Yeah. Look at that fucking thing whoo God, that's gorgeous But it drives me nuts when people don't put side view mirrors like it doesn't make the car look bad But you should see where the fuck you're going or where you were Yeah, or what's what's coming up? What the hell's changing lanes where the officers are? Yeah, put a fucking side view mirror on kids It does not make the car look ugly that became a trend for a while where people would have completely shaved mirrors. Yeah you know um, you would ask me what's what's uh New and you know what? I I didn't i'll i'll have to give you because I have nothing up I'll give you So you guys can get some ideas so you guys can get it in post Um, no, i've got three cars that are Humdingers, I got a I got a roadrunner coming out called haraka which is uh African for speed and it's Quite the piece. Is that done? No, we're gonna unveil it next year at sema. Oh, and it's got stages it in now Uh bare metal and heavy fab you got any images? I will supply you images Is that everything? That's that thing is like a cell phone from the 60s What the hell is that time machine cell phone? How'd you even get that? What is that? Oh, oh, I know what it is. It might have been like an instagram as a tick tock video. Yeah or something. Oh, that's hilarious Yeah, it's it's way beyond that stage and it's roadrunner is another car. That's a very cool car. Yes. Uh, this this one is going to be Something, you know what someone should do. Someone should redo blades 69 charger from the movie blade Do you remember that? I think it was a 69. It's definitely a late 60s charger blade. You know the vampire hunter Yeah, he drove around in a charger when he was killing people. It's a 68 68 Yeah, similar by style. There it is right there. Look at that car right there Something needs to redo that because blade had like hard blade had a souped but I mean a really good one like a really well Done one easy blade had a souped up charger. Look at it That's what he drove around in Someone should make like a blade themed Again, that's just charger with auto drags on it or center lines Yeah, but it doesn't have to look exactly like that But a blade themed 69 charger like if he had one that went through your shop Like if blade came to your shop said I want to kill vampires. Oh good. You know what I'm saying? What would you build them? I'll send you guys the artwork, but that's that's the roadrunner right now But it's more change the subject because we're talking about If blade came to you right now and wanted to make fine i'll do him a charger i'll do him a charger If he's trying to run from vampires, how uh, well could you get a 16 8 69 charger handle? There's a lot of front end sheet metal. There's there's stuff available now that yeah, not yeah, there's there's plenty of stuff What could you do to balance it out? in fact the well on this Roadrunner I have a brand new suspension from heights. That's a ifs and irs from well, I just said from heights Let's explain to people. I don't know what the fuck we're talking about independent rear suspension independent front suspension. Yeah Um, so it's it's really trick stuff and it's brand new for them. What about like a rear transaxle to balance out the weight? You could even though they're the the roadrunners weren't super heavy. They're about 3,600 pounds, right? But the charger oh the same thing. It's a b body basically the same body same thing So they weren't that heavy. They were how heavy about 38 3800 that's a charge or so Yeah, well, what did you think of that one that someone built that they made all carbon? Did you ever see that? Yes, i'm familiar They've done quite a few of them. Yeah, is it speed core is that what speed? Yeah See if you can find that speed core carbon charger. Yep. Cool. Cool piece for sure Probably drives great because the lightweight and it's on that brand new modern chassis. Ooh Look at that thing. Yeah, billet probably the grills billet or or seeing or So an all carbon fiber exterior Yeah, so the body sits down over the chassis and that's how it sits that low What do you think that thing weighs? A lot less but probably not a lot less that you think because parts still weigh right, of course So like just removing the steel and replacing it with carbon, you know what save 500 pounds. Yeah, it might be Low 3000s like 31 32 which is that's probably amazing then. Yeah Sure. Look at that thing. Where are you gonna park that? Somewhere you'd be there somewhere safe you'd be terrified of someone dinging your doors. No. Yeah, you got a goddamn carbon fiber car Look at that thing. You're not pounding the dents out. Yeah What do you do if you get an accident a carbon fiber car? They have to refab completely new panels for you either put a new one on or probably Well, it depends if it's the quarter panel that might be a problem Like if you get hit in the fender you replace the fender if you get hit in the rear They probably have to redo your whole car. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like What's that expensive fiberglass surgery? You can buy rear bumpers at least so you can buy a carbon fiber charger bumper Yeah, but the the bumper's not what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the quarter panels The roof, you know, because if you get somebody rear ends you or hits you from the side, it's gonna fuck up all that stuff Right I guess you can't think about that. No, it'd be cool. Yep driving around. Yep. They're doing that with quite a few hot rods now, right? Like I know there's a company that makes classic recreations. They do a uh complete carbon fiber gt500 You've seen that right or someone doing the gt Older one. Yeah 67 gt500 carbon classic recreations is doing cool I know you can find that I know there's a guy that's doing the uh, they do the charger that one And there's a 69 camaro that's that's all carbon So see what it looks like. Yeah, look at that Ooh That's insane Yeah, that's probably very light right now. It's again because that's an even smaller car. It's going to be lighter Yes. Yeah, the most thing is lighter and smaller if you gotta get 67, right? If you had to guess what do you think nothing weighs? I bet you it's still around 3000 or so again I'm right, but it depends what engine it depends what suspension it depends Everything it says it scroll up a little bit It's interesting that all the carbon companies that are doing this don't talk about a way keep going jimmy's for the top of the page So I could see what it said It was saying something about the um the horsepower Well, it's oh they do a turnkey car I mean you you might have been hovering over the engine part of it. Is that what it is? Oh 545 horsepower, so it's a 427 crate engine Mm-hmm, which is probably all you need if it's that light Oh, it's more than fine for driving the amazing Oh, you can do a coyote gen 3 suit with a supercharger. That's 770 horsepower if you're a fucking psycho Right if you're a fucking psycho if you're a fucking psycho and you want a carbon fiber car that weighs nothing if you're just greedy 770 horsepower that'll probably get you to uh to the store on time without much difficulty You ain't going in the store in that. Oh, why not? Putting groceries in the back. Look dangerously go to Ralph's. Yeah, I bet some people do with it Yeah, you know, there's there's i'm sure there's people that take their hot rods around as daily drivers You know, I met a guy once in uh, I drive mine Do you every day not every day I have to use my truck to driving Well, normally I use my work truck my yeah, but when you're not driving to work Oh my I've got it. I got a really fun little uh, which again I Oh, did I put on the thumbprint? I have a 64 old little cutlass That I built for cross-country driving. So it's got modern air conditioning like vintage air and dynamite sound deadening and Um, I have these really wonderful seats from a Porsche Panamera cut seven inches off of it And it's got they're like 18-way power. Show me pictures heated and cool. Did I do I have anything? I'm there I was 64 Nope That's a brand new fury. That's we just finished that Do you have on your website? Nope, that's not up yet. Either. You don't have your own car on your website. Hey, it's on my tv show Oh, okay. How could we see that then? Was it rides? Was it an episode of rides? No, no my TV show. Oh that tv show. Yeah the um, uh hand built hot rods That's right. That was on one of them episodes Yes, that's right your car. Yeah, there it is So, um mercedes mercedes quartz blue with uh Uh, basically a Ferrari saddle tan pretty much a daily driver. Yeah, that's the thing I put around in fuck Yeah, yeah, it's really nice car. It's made to be comfy Uh driving You know anywhere It's beautiful. So and like, you know all the other stuff probably for the last 15 years or no Let me see 10 yeah 13 years Uh same great cast of characters. Uh I definitely want to shout out because I am as i've said before in other interviews and other things I am no man is an island. I am surrounded by talent Jamie's an island. Okay. Jamie's an island. All right Hi there all the time. Hi there island. Jamie. I go. What are you doing? Jamie is i'm an island I just walks away and everybody just are you a rock island boy? Are you a rock? Do you know your old songs? He's not an island rock. You're an island as paul. Simon would say Oh, yeah, that's right. Uh painter master, uh mick jenkins that mix paint Um, my interior guys gabes, but these are all the same people on uranova Um unbelievably wonderful family. It's dad and the sons working So this is such a cool deal the interior guys and then my guys as i've already babbled, uh kelly and then there's troy bray who's uh, uh Just a fantastic all around everything he can just do whatever I ask him Um, and then a new kid named tommy. I do got to throw out. Uh, All those big deal cars. There was the anvil that you looked at And then we took a we didn't have a year off. We had a couple others. We finished and then we did a car called the the um martini mustang That we went to sema And that took the ford design award again car of the show And then the next year we took the twin turbo camaro And that won the gm design award car of the show And then the next year we came with the fair lane the black ops fair lane And that won the ford design award car of the show. So we're the only shop I know of and again I say with Thankful because I had such amazing Employees and people around me putting up that's a heavy schedule To do three out of the park cars Three years in a row. That's nobody sleeping That's nobody sleeping for sure and uh, don't know of another shop. That's done that ever the Forgy, so i'm very again very thankful to those guys and uh back then There was a guy who worked for me for about 18 years named pete And he just moved back to washington to be near his folks and all So he's got a place called mussel car beach. I follow him on instagram. Yeah, that's pete heart school um, so just really You know It's i'm so lucky that I got all these people putting up with me Because I literally wake up at three in the morning come up with these ideas and start sketching the ideas and Oh my gosh, we're gonna do this, you know, and then they're like, okay And yeah, and they and they then they put up And and do so really really really um Thankful for that and as you know, you know, you've got a great team here with island over there and Yeah, you need a team you need a team for yeah, I couldn't do this fucking thing without jamie I'd be lost first of all, you know slow. I google he goes faster than me with one hand Do you like it down here flipping switches? Yeah, I love it down here came down. Yeah, I love it three years ago. Mm-hmm It's a different way of life Like uh, yeah, it gets really hot in the summer, but that doesn't seem to bother me Uh, what what I really enjoy is how nice people are they're it's a different kind of nice They're like real regular nice people. They're not hollywood nice I think I think I really believe that everywhere in southern california like just the overall vibration of the area Is in some way affected by the vast amount of people that are seeking stardom and want to be Something special and want to be seen and you know, i'm obviously guilty of that because i'm you know Comedian and all the other stuff i've done right. I was part of it. I understand it I'm not criticizing the people that are doing it, but i'm saying that it does affect the way people communicate with each other Especially because of acting because acting is like the number one thing that people came to la for back in the day It was the the number one thing if you were a kid and you had a dream you wanted to be a movie star you came to la and Along the way these people realized like the only way to get chosen for roles You have to have this daniel day lewis like super mysterious Ultra-talented person who everybody worships or you had to play the game So you had to say all the things that the producers wanted you to say you had to support all the political causes You had to check all the boxes. You couldn't think outside the box at all And there's a way of communicating that people have In la that it's like signaling that they're a part of this tribe signaling They're part of this very progressive ultra left-wing ideology and everybody has to subscribe to it regardless of the consequences that it has on the city or the crime or chaos or all the other stuff and It's just I think it's tempered by this desire that people have that lived to fit in Because they want to be cast in things like you think about someone who's an actor You're probably already fucked up. You're probably already insecure, which is why you want this to exorbitant amount of attention You probably had a bad childhood or whatever it was whatever whatever it was You were not stable and you you go so far that you desire this exorbitant amount of attention Then what you have to do is you have to get in front of casting agents So people get to pick you they have to choose whether or not you're good Choose whether or not you're worthy and your your self-esteem is based on whether or not you get picked And so there's these people that are constantly in this cycle of rejection Constantly in the cycle seeking acceptance and rejection and then they see people that make it and they're furious. Why isn't it me? Like I had a friend and he he was dating this gal and she was an actress too and he got a role on a TV Show he was so excited and he told her about it and she started crying saying when is something gonna happen for me? It's the first thing she said I was like dude That's not good. Like that's not but that is red flag super super common And that's a lot of like what flavors the consciousness. Yeah of los angeles It has an effect on it and out here it that doesn't exist Right. It's different. I agree and and um for me I was really happy to find uh Agreeing with you to find cemie valley because i'm from oh, yeah very different when let's go back at the beginning of the conversation I'm from apple egg and you know, that's that's a handshake is your word You know, it's real simple real simple background mike sells moonshine yeah, so Cemie again Not not for a game of name dropping, but I know Uh, like my friend etsyo that has bomb hoagie my favorite little place to get philly cheesesteaks Which you can't find for shit out in california Does yummy stuff? I know like donish the manager at my at my bank. I know Neil who has well, of course east coast pizza. Um, you know, I know their names. I know these people because It's it's it's got that small town feel to it, right? It's not just in and out and you have no time to meet anybody or know anybody or you know what I mean? I've been out there because tarrantactical that's out in cemie valley and right. It's it's just a normal neighborhood It's a normal community that's sort of divorced from a lot of what ails la and I know you you had gone there From past times are just telling me do you still go back? Yeah, but i'm in l.a Yeah, well, yeah if i'm in l.a and I have time I go back there Shave in another five minutes since i'm around the corner. Well oftentimes i'm there on sunday and oh, well, let me know Let me know. That's cool. I didn't know if you if you went back. I know you liked it. Yeah, it's good No, I mean if you have a gun, it's good to know how to really use it Yeah, you know and uh, he's the best that guy's awesome. He's such a does he give you instructions? Oh, yeah It's instructions. Oh, it's not just no. No, here's a range and go no. No. No, no, no You're getting you're getting taught by a master. I mean tarrant is like a multiple time world champion Oh those shooting competitions. Yeah, I did not know I did not know it was an instructional. Yeah, he trained kiano reaves there for John wick. Oh, yeah, he trained. Um, uh, michael jordan michael b jordan. He trained him from a bunch of his movies He's trained. Um, just a host of people. I was there with rob lowe I i've been there with multiple comedians. I took my friend shane gillis there It's like he he trains people like literally from the very beginning how to correctly hold the pistol how to brace it correctly What amount of pressure you put with your left hand versus your right hand how to line the sights up? He teaches you like how to do everything correctly That's awesome that kiano reaves has that so when he's filming it he's looking like oh, he looks actually Is shutting a shooting a gun super legit if you watch john wick, he looks super legit He absolutely knows what he's doing because tarrant trained him. I mean everything he does is exactly how you would do it How long have you known tarrant tarrant tarrant years? I don't know many years I think uh, I first went there. Um I forget who brought me there. Honestly Hmm. I forget who brought me there, but you know, you go there for like an hour and he coaches you it's great a couple hours Maybe and he always have new people there that just met. Uh Chad stilesky the guy who uh produced and directed he actually wrote and did he write john wick or did he? He directed and produced it. Yeah, I think he at least if he didn't write it by himself. He definitely co-wrote. Yeah Um, so I met him there. I met like a bunch of really cool people there He's always having like like the king of jordan was just there training with him. Yeah, it's wild like he Trains people he's that good like it trains people from all over Or does he do bow and arrow just firearms? Yeah, they do throw hatchets too. So Shows you how to throw a hatchet because there's a lot of stuff that people use in movies and in john wick movies and things Like skill sets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah halle Berry trained there. There's all these videos of her learning how to hmm Shoot shoot a pistol. I I don't know if i've ever spoke with you about it I always growing up. I fiddled with archery bow and arrows. Yeah, fascinating and then and you know, uh nuge Sure, and uh, and he's Whack master as his brand is Um, do you yeah, you got into that too, right? Hunting. Yeah, weren't you doing that? Yeah, I still do it. Yeah, I just got back I just got back from an elk hunt in utah. Oh Yeah, bow hunting bow hunting. Yeah Yeah practice every day. I was out in my yard today practicing. Oh cool. Yeah. Yeah always you have to For me. Yeah for me. That's harder Than than guns of course. I mean guns take a skill set for sure. Oh, yeah. No guns aren't easy It's not easy to kill a deer with a rifle I mean you could get lucky and one can be close, but if you're in the mountains It's very difficult to get close to them You have to understand the wind and how to sneak up on them It's easier with a rifle because you could take a 200 yard shot ethically Whereas with a bow you really want to get inside of 60 yards if you can Right and then have the aim you have to be really good Yeah, and then the aim and you have to be able to keep your nerves together. Yeah. Yeah, I was always there's a lot going on Fascinated with it. And I I my dad because my area again, I believe in a lot of hunting fishing that kind of stuff So, uh, that was promoted. It's an amazing way to get food It really is like your food has it will be a very it's a very realistic way Yeah, you just have a very different connection with what your food is You know when I eat an elk steak, it's a very different connection than if I like a steak that I got from heb explain Well, you were there when this like the last one I killed was my favorite because it was so old It was an 11 year old elk and his teeth were all worn out Like when we opened his jaw that's about as old as you get in the mountains like he might live to be 13, but probably not and uh during the rut when they're Breeding they don't eat a lot of the time So you lose a ton of weight because they're just running around chasing tail and then literally no pun intended Yeah, no pun intended and then um during the winter. It's rough It's rough because they have to eat as much as they can after their rut and by that time it might already be snowing So the grass might be getting covered up, but it's harder to get food and you know If you're not lucky You could freeze to death in the winter because you don't have enough fat and it happens to them all the time That's generally how they go out or a cat gets them Right and one of the two is probably coming, you know Or they can get injured and a cat catches them limping and then that's a wrap You know there it's a fucking hard scrap of life So that was my favorite because you got him we got him at the right time 11 years old This is like that's a really good time That's a real mature Wise old elk. They just caught slipping You know and so when i'm eating that i'm eating something that I work really hard to get to I practice really hard I got in really good shape did all these things Work on my aim work on my my my precision with my shooting and just work on You know all the things the cardio all the things that you have to do to do it So it's just a very different connection than just i'll still eat a steak at a restaurant. I still love them They're so great. It's just a different experience, right? Well, sure. Yeah, it's more, uh, definitely more personal It's definitely more personal, but it's also more honest You know, it's it's a much more honest exchange, you know, especially if you're getting some factory farm shit like There's a lot of weird karma that comes with that You know, there's a lot of weird karma It's so easy to get a chicken sandwich, you know It's so easy to pull into a drive-through and get a chicken sandwich, but if you had to see the life that chicken lived You'd probably be pretty fucking horrified You know, there's a lot of the chickens we buy i'm sure you've seen those chicken trucks that are driving down the street On the highway and they're just stuffed with chickens and you're like, yo That's that's a fucked up life Or did you ever see the one where the pigs? Um, there was a car accident I think and the pigs jumped out of the fucking truck and they were like splattered all over the highway They they you know tried to escape Yeah, not good So So, like I said, it's a very different thing. Oh sure. No agreed. Yeah understood. So you're still hunting Obviously, you just came back from once. Yeah, it's also it's a good reset for me because uh, you know I do this weird thing where everybody listens to me talk Very strange, you know, the whole thing's very strange And you could get a very inflated sense of your worth your your perspective and your place on earth But when you're in the mountains, that's literally impossible. Oh, yes Exactly, you know how tired you get when you go up the hill. You know what a bitch you are You know, you know in comparison to these other animals that are out there hunting these things you are not you're only an apex predator Because you have a bow That's about it. That's it. In fact, that is it. It's the only reason and then you know, it's you're also encountering this Unforgiving uncaring beautiful Landscape it's not just a landscape. It's a realm Fair enough when you when you're there it's like when you're in the actual wild it's a realm It's a different realm than the realm we exist in. I know you can just walk into it But once you are in there you Are living inside this ancient system this ancient system of tooth and claw this ancient system of breeding and survival and predators and and carnivores and and these animals that are just Just there to pick up the mess the vultures that swoop in and the birds and it's just a fucking wild place to be man And it just completely resets me Just I I understand I agree. Yeah, you have good, uh reverence Um long time ago. I had met a couple of uh indians that native american that um tried to follow basically their lineage and um, the discussion was that the same vein of the respect of That you described it. Well that realm it is. It is like a realm You know, they the real that's why it's so disappointing when you find garbage The saddest thing when you're on like, you know some public trail and you see like a water bottle that someone just discarded like Oh, no, you're bringing our bullshit. Yeah, this incredible realm Yeah in that realm. There's no garbage. It doesn't exist Everything gets eaten Everything that dies gets consumed by the earth. It becomes fertilizer for the trees. It becomes food for All these creatures that that live there. It's all a cycle. It's an insanely perfect cycle And when you're there, it's just like okay, it just puts it all in perspective. It's also Fucking thrilling man, like when you're around these animals, it's three see an eagle fly overhead. It's like wow Yeah, it's thrilling big bird in california a few years back. I watched a golden eagle Grab a rabbit real big bird. Oh, man. It was it was awesome He swooped in and we saw it just we were driving in a truck and we saw it just at the very end There was like this rabbit that was like right underneath the the branches of this tree and this eagle just swooped in and grabbed it And just grabbed it on the ground and started flapping its wings and going up this little hill with it We were like, holy shit I um Again from background where i'm from a lot of farms And mobsters too. Well, there was that but a lot a lot of farms worked, you know when I was younger chucking hay bales and uh Would because of being around barns seed, um owls hound. Oh, they're amazing. They are they are They you know, everyone's like owls are so fascinating and cool and neat i'm like, they are a cold-blooded assassin ruthless nightstalkers ruthless and Absolutely silent. Yeah, they make no noise. They are the Nature's hitman. Have you ever seen the video? It's a a trail camera video that they set up on this nest of hawks So these hawks in this nest and they're sitting there at night Just looking around this owl comes in from the background. You see his eyes in the distance and just snatches them Watch this because it's amazing. He they are this is what an owl is. It's not give a hoot. Don't pollute It's not no, this is the way you get to the library. They are they are They are assassins. So look in the distance and you'll see the eyes soon. There they are watch this here they come No, no, no, no, no, they'll just appear well i'm sure he'll make real quick work of it Here he comes watch this look at the eyes. Oh bam And that other that other one is like what what where's my brother? What just happened? What the fuck like I said Just absolutely silent and unbelievably efficient Look at the eyes, man That's a demon wham. I mean that is a demon. It's just a fluffy demon fluffy demon If that thing was doing that to people and it was covered in like lizard scales, we would say oh my god It's a demon. Yeah, but because it's got feathers For some reason we like to think this thing is this wise cute thing in the forest No, i've i've watched them hunt and it's I think the thing was most fascinating to me is Absolutely silent. Yeah, there's no noise. You know what the the prey Has no idea that thing's coming. Yeah, when we were just leaving california We found one that looked like it'd been poisoned. Ah, it's a real bummer man an owl Yeah, because what happens is people poison rats Um if people have rats in their uh garbage, they'll put rat poison out Of course the rats eat the poison the owls eat the rats and the rats and the ow Poisons the owl and so this i'm you know, i'm not An expert in owls, but there was something really wrong because it was sitting in the front door of our house And it was literally the day before we moved to texas Just sitting there. Oh the the the old the other the old house back home symbolic It was to me. It was almost like symbolic of the life. I knew here dying That I had to leave it That's how it felt little guy big guy Like about that big a regular sized owl. Yeah, it wasn't a mature owl. It was a mature owl, but it was fucked up, man It was just like just fucked up just trying to move a little and could move its wings It was very very very sad And I know where I lived was very hilly. There's a lot of rats. There's a lot of coyotes There's a lot of wildlife out there So i'm assuming that someone poisoned it because it was a you know, a suburban community and people don't want rats in their garbage They don't understand the food chain, but I think that was a real problem. That was killing off a lot of owls See if that's that's documented because I think that was a real problem in the hollywood hills as well Uh that they were people were poisoning rats and the rat poison was killing owls It's a bummer man, but you know, there's something about those I don't know how they got labeled the way they got labeled like I don't know how they got a monocle and a hook Like yeah, something happened. Yeah, that that would be the wise Yeah, the wise old owl rat poison from marijuana farms is harming federally threatened northern spotted owls So it's yeah, it's a thing. It's not i'm sure it's not just the marijuana farms. I know people in my neighborhood are using rat poison I know they're sure because people would ask you how do you deal with the rats? Well, it doesn't sound like that's a far-fetched theory. That's for sure. No, do you know how how smart rats are? That if you leave some poison, I had rats as pets. Did you? Yes. Have you ever seen the netflix show rats? No, oh my god There's an amazing documentary on on netflix called rats and you watch it and you just go what? Like you don't understand the scope of the rat problem in this country Like you don't know that there's more the same. I think if they think it's the exact same biomass I think in new york city the biomass of rats Surpasses the biomass of humans. So if you weighed all the plausible in new york city, I think the rat biomass is actually either the same or larger That's how many rats there are in new york city. Yay. See if that's true I I know that i've read multiple. They don't have an accurate estimation of the rat's like fish in the ocean Right different number. It's like two million or fifty million If it's two million, it's 25 percent of the human population there and if it's fifty million, it's way more That's what I mean. It depends on how many there really are. I bet it's a hundred million fucking rats in new york city Or it's insane. I'm in it. I'm very familiar Then this documentary shows how intelligent they are and one of the things they do if you leave poison In uh, like a rat tunnel where the rats go the rats will get a young stupid rat to go eat the poison It's like hey, man Look at that food and they'll sit back and watch the old rats will sit back and watch and the young rat goes over So it's eating poison and they go. Yep thought so and they take off like they know There's videos of rats setting rat traps with sticks Nah, have you seen this? No That's totally believable. They set up a rat trap and this rat walks over and picks up a stick And drops it on the rat trap so it can get the cheese Like that's how fucking smart they are sure those little creeps those little creeps look watch this so look at this rat Oh, yeah, it's a rat right. It's on mouse. It says mousetrap. It isn't that a rat? Like the tail I don't know. What is that? That looks small enough to be a mouse, but it could be a rat either way Whatever this fucking thing is watch this. Wow snap With a fucking stick man, like it knows how to set that thing off and it didn't even flinch Can you imagine you don't know that that's going to happen and you drop a stick on something and it explodes That watch that mouse or rat or whatever the fuck it is that thing. Oh, you're right. He didn't it's a rat He didn't freak out because this is world smart. Yeah world smartest rat. So it is a rat watch this This motherfucker doesn't even flinch watch Drops it on there Not a budge. Yeah, not at all questions like cracking a safe if it's a rat Do you think maybe this kid trained it trained it? Yeah, yeah, probably afraid. Yeah, it didn't just happen randomly Yeah, it's probably for the clicks because he used to teach him to play basketball where I was from maybe What it might be for the clicks or It might be a legit video of how fucking smart rats were like he was trying to figure out how these motherfuckers not dying Maybe he just kept a rat trap in the same spot over and over and over again And eventually they realized oh every time it snaps that a rat gets killed, but the food's still there Yeah, well this account is mount. He's got mouse trap monday. So he's got he must have Oh, so he's like running experience. That's a mouse. He deals in the picture If that's his buddy pal was the other one a mouse or a rat though Dunt mouse so this is the guy that did that little video. Yeah, so I know I was noticing this That kind of had like two million followers on it. I was like this might be It says mouse says mouse trap monday. So they look like mice in that little thing that he's holding, right? Right So he must have trained mice And he probably incentivizes them to snap the trap. Yeah the Theory of what pavlos dog or whatever. Yeah, repeat repeat learn I wonder how he taught them how to set a trap with a fucking when I wonder how many died I know right he might sacrifice a lot of his little pets the uh, the dark side to mouse trap. Yeah The very dark side to mouse trap monday. What are you doing over there, man? Yeah I know right if like if you're running tests Someone's gonna go use mice Something check. I bet he would have the video of him teaching it if he did do that too Because that would get that would get some views, you know, yeah It's a strange thing our I mean it's obviously that we have this distaste for rats and mice because they They carry these bugs that carry the plague and they carry diseases and they document that in the netflix special too The netflix special shows like some of them have plague There's like some ray. Yeah, they they catch me. Obviously not a lot of people are getting bitten by rats But if you worry you'd be fucked There's a lot of them that are just horrific Well, I have to Congratulate you for what on something you may not know So are you on the fucking I don't I talk in my hands. What do you want? You may not know What is it? So I got together with a guy named drew harden who's been an editor like I think I hot rod and rod and custom bunch of different books and he's written books like books He had a book called hot rod magazine all the covers Which covered up to no pun all the way up to 2009 hot rod started in 1947 So all the way up to 2009 every cover ever printed right and then he he just released a new book um Like the history of hot rod magazine, right? Which begat every automotive magazine that was the first And mr. Peterson, I mean he had everything He had hot rod. He had field and stream better homes and gardens like every made popular science Every book you could think of was him if I remember right anyway so I because of your latest cover uh Ask drew. Hey, man. How many how many cars? Uh Have ever been have been on the hot rod magazine twice And I have every issue of hot rod from 47 to now But it's easier to to ask someone who's like written a book about the covers than go through every one of them And we found uh 14 cars that have been on the cover twice but I said, hey How many cars have been in the cover? three times And there's five and one of them I mean it made the criteria it was on the cover three times, but it was hot rod magazines Crusher camaro So i'm like, oh that's insider trading the editors can put their own car on the cover, but nevertheless but your nova Was on shared cover with my Buick funny car skylark. It's clearly in the cover. That was part of the criteria is the vehicle If there's more than one car on the cover Is it on purpose? And yours was on purpose It's on the side. It's not even back there. It's here And then it was on the cover in bare metal built and then brand new out right now in the news stands For hot rod. So you are one of five cars Ever in the history of hot rod magazine to be on the cover three times. That's pretty fucking cool. Which is and congratulations, sir Thank you very much. What does it look like on the cover? Show me the cover of the magazine You have oh i've got it in my briefcase. I'll send one back to you. I brought one for it up right now Yes, you will brand new issue of hot rod magazine Um I've got it on my phone, but he'll find it. I'm sure jam. He'll find it. Well, he's an island, you know He's an island. He'll find it. He's a rock. Wow pretty cool um, so but now no pressure out to our Our editor on china four times. Is that what you're trying to do? No. No, we're all done with that car Okay, let's go. What's his pressure talk? No, no, john. McGann who's the curtain editor of hot rod magazine, which we thank for for For the for the wonderful cover. Did you find it? um if I'm putting it out there putting it out there to the car universe If he gets the opportunity or wishes to feature The your there you go Hot rod remixed. There it is um Your sick fish 2.0 that the roadster shop did a wonderful beautiful job If they feature it again, and if the gods of hot rod deem it so To put it on the cover. I'm putting it out there if no pressure john, but if if that happened You would be the only human on the planet To own two vehicles one that's been on the cover twice because sick fish was on the cover once in bare metal Right, and then the novas on the cover three times. You would be the only human In history someone can have that someone else can have I don't know i'm just saying It's okay. What do I know? I just hey, I don't know if john's featuring it or if it's a prestigious thing But it's a neat thing. Yeah, it's cool. The car's cool. I just like them for what they are You know what and that's really true. I've talked with a lot of people because they asked me because obviously you're well known Uh for this gig And I think you're just rippingly funny. We'll watch you tonight. By the way, i'm gonna go down and watch it um and they're uh my Car world guys are like is he really like a gearhead and i'm like, you know what? I don't think he's Outwrenching on it, but I know he has a very deep totally digs it thinks it's wonderful things. It's cool I don't wrench on him, but he's he's not on this to like look cool owning one. You actually really like them No, I love them. I'm not driving them. I go in my garage. I stare at it You know what that's there's a great thing that's been said Again within my world You got the wrong car if you don't park it walk away and turn around to look at it again Yeah, if you do that, you got the right car for you, man You turn around you look at it and go that thing's badass, man Sometimes I don't even have to drive it. I just sit and sit and look at it. Yeah, it's art It really is these kind of old cars in particular that especially like that nova that you made is a piece of art Yeah to me I get a much greater satisfaction out of that kind of art than I do a lot of art I love art. Obviously you see this studio. It's filled with art out there. I love art. I love when people make things I love human expression. I love it in I like custom made pool cues I like when people make shoes. I like I like stuff. I like people make knives. Yes cars That's what I like. I like when I see a thing I know that humans made it they they worked on it their mind their creativity their skill Their their talent. I love that and it's interesting because obviously you have a lot of dexterity from from hunting you know learning and and and use utilizing firearms and and Say bow like we were talking. Do you have an outlet that is artistic? Do you would work? Do you do stuff anything like that because you obviously have a high appreciation for it No, no, I don't really make anything. No, I don't I just other than jokes and you know podcasts. Um, no, I I um Did you ever want to no, it's like to me. It's like music Like I don't have any music talent, but I really appreciate music, you know I love that I can go I love that I can't play guitar but I can go watch gary clark jr And i'm like, I just don't even know how the fuck is he doing that? The sounds is just magic. I love it. I love that. I have no connection to it I love that kind of stuff. I love things that I don't have any skill in doing I love watching people but you appreciate Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate human expression. I think that we all do. Yeah. Oh, I definitely do There's human expression in a lot of forms and uh for me When I was a kid growing up the fucking coolest thing in the world were hot rods when I was 15 16 when I was You know getting my learner's permit and about to get a driver's license All of us in the town that I grew up in in newton, massachusetts all my friends. Everyone was obsessed with cars We were all obsessed with Camaros and firebirds and everyone was obsessed with cars things and chevelle and yeah that is burned in my brain The the we used to go there was a uh, god, I wish I could remember his name because he was so cool There was an auto shop teacher this old irish guy. He was fucking great He was hilarious and we always wanted to take auto shop class because he was just a regular guy You could hang out with him, right? And he was only into mustangs like old mustangs He had these old mustangs and we'd all work on these mustangs and fucking bond them and fix things Learn this and that but it was just I developed this appreciation For what those things are and the magic that they instill In some people I mean, it's not everybody some people see him. They're like, oh, it's noisy. It's loud stinks But other people see him they go. Oh Right, and that was me and that's still me so to this day. So that's why I like those cars Those cars to me are like how someone wants to buy a van goe They want to put this, you know This fucking jackson pollock painting in their wall and they'll sit there and i'll have a glass of wine And they'll stare at that and that's for them and I love painting too. I love art too But there's a there's the art that really fucking Gets my juices going is functional art like a car. Yeah, because that's what it is. It's a piece of functional art It is a piece of fuck. I I agree completely and it's and it's the expert. That's what drives me Is the the create it and build it? Yeah, and then when i'm done with that I'm like really I'd love it and then I can't wait to do the next thing i'm gonna create and You know and and do and build and that's that's the excitement for me is the design and then the make it Yeah, so that's really what your good fortune is that you found this thing that you're really good at Oh unbelievably fortunate and that you love that's the good fortune And then also you've attracted like-minded great people to do these things with you. Yes, that's the really good fortune Yeah, unbelievably fortunate that I have that's or as a joke they put up with me, you know and and help Forged this stuff that I know they're cool people too. It's a good vibe. Like every time i've gone to your shop It's a fun vibe. Yeah, they're they're really you know what they are or the the term I use is because Plenty of people say, you know good people. I I say they're good humans. Yeah, they're just a good human. They're good fisher folk The nice nice fisher folk that's today's word fisher folk Frightening word, but yes, not really yeah but yeah, I I am really that's the thing and that's really thankful for my the the My I call it the shop family because I got my guys right the current crop of Troy and kelly and then our new boy tommy and then my sublet guys as i've already said mick and gabes Those guys I consider An arm off of my shop because they become involved with it. Sure. They treat my stuff like it's something Yeah, you know, they they they put the care into it and their team group Of like my like you said like group Of like my like you said like-minded guys that um, you know when they and they care that their names on it Yeah, they actually that's that's why you do a good job. He's cool. It's because your story, you know Building that first car in the garage like that or the barn. Yeah Yeah, but all that stuff that's what people need to hear like that. There's a path to finding what it is You do And that path is going to be weird and it's going to take a long time. Sometimes yeah, it's difficult And it's not going to be easy and you're gonna fucking struggle But you can do it people can do it people have done it and maybe you didn't do it this time So pick yourself up and try it again Yeah, keep doing it and keep trying to find that thing and if you can find that thing you'll have a happier life Yeah, I am And thank you for recognizing that because I agree with that. It's like, you know, you you've actually got to work hard at this It's hard whenever it is it doesn't it doesn't have to be building a car How long did that nova take to build that took a long way too long? Way too long obviously a lot of that was your eye issues, but it took a long fucking time It takes a long time to make something right now If I had nothing else to do and we just did that it wouldn't be done much even hammer How many years did that take a couple of years? Yeah years years of every day working on that thing Oh, yeah, you understand. Yeah, this is not something that gets made quick. Oh, no is a long time I remember going to visit you and like, you know seeing the process from the very beginning the bear frame and we Went on the body and oh, yeah, you measure my seat. Yep, sure the windshield is a perfect size It's all fitted for you. It's it's amazing. It's really really fucking cool It's fun. It's great. You know what you do is uh, it's it's much appreciated and you've done a really cool thing with this too because this has evolved and grown and done things it's it's interesting to me because I Watched there's the comedian thing and then there was this thing because this isn't Funny yeah, you know what I mean? It's well, that's the thing the comedians are afraid of like they're afraid of like you have to be funny always. Oh Yeah, you've done a fantastic of job a fantastic job of uh separating church and state almost Well, the real separation is the ufc. That's my real separation because i'm not even remotely funny on the ufc True the ufc is just 100 See I don't swim in those waters because I don't but I know of you being there obviously But this it's like it's a completely different gig. It's a martial arts expert gig. That's what i'm doing. I'm just like i'm analyzing Choices i'm looking at like positions i'm looking at the trends in the fight. Yeah, you're analyzing Yeah, and trying to like give justice to what these guys are doing like commentary not to pretend to interview you But did you did you? I think it just naturally happened I don't think you on purpose set out to do these three things No, the comedy and then the joe rogan experienced this show and then the commentary for the no for the fighting. They just Those are just things I like right and they just happened. It just happened that things I like I wound up doing professionally Yeah, and the ufc was uh, but if you step away from it, it's very curious There are three very different things. Yeah. Yeah But there are three things that I have a genuine interest and passion for And I think I learned something from all three of those things And I think all three of those things for in my life They all feed off of each other and they all help each other. They all work symbiotically like being a Person who talks to people all the time about different paths different walks of life like, you know That informs you on The way different people think and the way different people express themselves the way different people what they like and what they don't like And then with mma it's like what's possible like talking about michael bisping fighting 10 fights with one fucking eye and winning the world title You know, you know as a huge underdog in a last-minute replacement fight you see like the human spirit in this very raw and Just unfiltered form that I don't think very many people get to see it's it's a wild type of Human being that participates in that and their the risks they take and the rewards that they get the highs that they get This is an amazing speech find israel adasanya speech After he beat alex pajeda israel adasanya who's one of my favorite fighters of all time He loses his title to this guy alex pajeda this guy alex pajeda has beat him twice in kickboxing one time He knocked him out and then they're fighting in the ufc for israel adasanya's world title israel loses the title to him in the tko Then he comes back five months later and knocks him out and back it up And this is the speech that he get he said to me. Can I have the microphone for a second? I said absolutely So watch this so Yes, sir Hey, sure. Just listen up. I want to say something people Earth I need to say something. Listen to me I hope every one of you behind the screens on this arena Can feel this level of happiness? Just one time in your life I hope all of you can feel how happy I am just one time in your life But guess what? You never feel this level of happiness if you don't go for something in your own life When they knock you down where they're trying to on you when they talk about you and they're trying to put their foot on your neck If you stay down, you will never ever get that result Fortify your mind and feel this level of happiness as you rise One time in your life, but i'm blessed to be able to feel the again and again and again and again and again Beautiful that's the end of the podcast. That's life. That's life right there. Ladies and gentlemen Steve Stroup, I appreciate you brother. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much for the opportunity Appreciate your friendship. Thank you. Well, we'll do it again. We'll do it again a masterpiece You created a masterpiece. You're a fucking awesome guy. Thank you. All right. Bye everybody