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Jack Dorsey is a computer programmer and Internet entrepreneur who is co-founder and CEO of Twitter, and founder and CEO of Square, a mobile payments company.
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Tim Pool is a journalist, political commentator, and host of the "Timcast" podcast and Youtube program.
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Well, it's really the same stupid logic where I was talking about where, you know, Gavin was saying punch people. Well, you punch people, it doesn't end there. Oh, yeah, they punch back. And you ban them. It doesn't end there. It doesn't end there. You have to realize also, Twitter is how old now? 11 years old? 12 years old? 13 years old? 13 years old. Well, 13 years from now, what are the odds that there's not going to be something else just like it? Well, pretty slim. Uh, yeah. Depends on how we do. Yeah. So, listen, listen. There could be a million of them. Let's talk about the incestuous relationship that a lot of these journalists have in defending the policies you guys push. GAB was a study was done. I talked about this last time where they found 5% of the tweet of the, I don't want to say tweets, but the posts on GAB were hate speech compared to Twitter is like 2.4. So it's a marginal increase. Yeah. GAB is called the white supremacy network. Of course. You go on it and yeah, absolutely exists. They say that synagogue shooter, oh, he was a GAB user. He was a Twitter user too. He posted on Twitter all the time. So why the media is targeting? It's such a crazy, it's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. And then it was this guy that claimed I went to Iran for the Holocaust deniers conference and I've never been to Iran and their evidence was this guy found an archived website from a Holocaust denier with my name on it and that was their proof. And there are people who have been labeled extremists by this organization that have been, you know— Sam Harris. Sam Harris was there. I mean. Didn't they lose a big lawsuit around this as well? Yes. They settled. They settled. Yeah. So, again, like not to imply that you guys do use it, but I asked specifically because it's been reported other organizations do. So we have activist organizations. We have journalists that I can attest are absolutely activists because I've worked for Vice, I worked for Fusion. I was told implicitly, not explicitly, to lie, to side with the audience as it were. I've seen the narratives they push and I've had conversations with people that I'm going to keep relatively off the record. Journalists who are terrified because they said the narrative is real. One journalist in particular said that he had evidence of, essentially, he had reason to believe there was wrongdoing, but if he talks about it, he could lose his job. There was a journalist who reported to me that data in society admitted their report was incorrect. Now you've got organizations lobbying for terminating Joe and I because of this stuff. This narrative persists. Then you see all the actions I mentioned before and all the organizations saying we're doing the right thing. I got to say, we're living in a ... I feel like we're looking at the doorway to the nightmare dystopia of ... I just want to clarify. I don't know if we're going around saying we're necessarily doing the right thing. We're saying why we're doing what we're doing. That's what we need to get better at and I don't want to hide behind what we believe is the right thing. We have to clearly rationalize why we're making the decision we're making and more of that. That to me is the prevention from this snowflake avalanche metaphor. I think it's just obvious to point out, again, I said this before, we can have the calm conversation and I can understand you, but from where I'm sitting, you hold a vastly different ideology than I do and you have substantially more power in controlling my government. That terrifies me. What makes it worse is that a Saudi prince owns ... at least it was reported that a Saudi prince owns a portion of that company. I'm sitting here like just a little American, can't do anything to stop it. I'm just watching this unaccountable machine churn away and you're just one snowflake in that avalanche. I'm like, well, here we go. There's going to be a ride. The avalanche has started. As Vij just said, that Saudi prince doesn't have any influence over other companies. But am I supposed to trust that? That's the issue, right? I'm not trying to insinuate he's showing up to your meetings and telling you what to do, but when someone dumps a billion dollars in your company, I think it's silly to imply that they don't at least have some influence, but regardless. Unlike the internet, within a company like ours, you don't necessarily see the protocol, you don't see the processes and that is an area where we can do a lot much better. I guess, you know, beat it over the head a million times, beat the dead horse. I think ultimately, yeah, I get what you're doing. I think it's wrong. I think it's terrifying. And I think we're looking, we're on the avalanche already, it's happened. And we're heading down to this nightmare scenario of a future where it terrifies me when I see people who claim to be supporting liberal ideology, burning signs that say free speech, threatening violence against other people. You have these journalists who do the same thing. They accuse everybody of being a Nazi, everybody of being a fascist. Joe Rogan for the damn issue. And you're like a socialist, as far as I know. You're like UBI proponent, you know. Well, I wouldn't necessarily say I'm a socialist, I'm very liberal. I'm being facetious. I'm very liberal, except for Second Amendment. That's probably the only thing that I disagree with a lot of liberals on. And then you see what the media says about everybody. You see how they call Jordan Peterson all day and night, alt-right? Alt-right hates him. And this narrative is used to strip people of their income, to remove them from public discourse. Well, it's foolish because it ultimately, upon examination, like you were saying, that sunlight is the best disinfection. Absolutely. And upon examination, you realize that this is not true at all, and that these people look foolish, like the Data and Society article. No, no, no. All these organizations published that as fact without looking at any data. Maybe some did, but anybody... Some dozens. But, yeah... And no, no, no, they're still citing it. We're talking about millions and millions of people. Who are these people that are still citing it? Guardian, fast company... Well, climb the bell and start yelling shame. But so, look, we...