Joe & Theo on Depression, Ayahuasca, and Anxiety Genetics

In fact they say that exercise is one and a half times more effective than SSRIs for curing depression. Oh and a heartbeat man. I'll take, if I take my, because I take SSRIs and I do exercise. If I take my SSRI I don't feel really anything, I just feel like oh I took my SSRI. But if I go for a run, like even today I had to go run a couple miles, I was like I know I'm gonna be on here. I want to have, I want to like just be in like my, I want to have my good energy going. I'm gonna go for a run, you know. And so yeah I think it, I know that it makes me feel better if I do something athletic, you know. What SSR are you taking? I think I'm a Lexapro right now. I take the generic one, whatever the cheaper one is. You know, I think it's, I don't know what it is, but it is, they say it's fine. You know. So I don't know if I believe them but I mean I'm fucking taking it. Now I would like to, I would like to maybe take 30 days off and try ayahuasca again. I feel like I'm getting back around where I would like to do it again, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Do do do do do do do. I would man, because I want to fucking feel, I want to be right up there on nature's fucking. I want to be in there. Eaves dropping on nature's nuts boy. I think, God I'll be right up there. Yeah. What'd you say boy? And eavesdrop on nature, right up next to it. Oh, dude. Oh ayahuasca, dude. You'll fucking, mother nature, you'll be, she'll break up that wiener and you'll be like, damn, I didn't know mother nature had a wiener, you know. Mother nature's got everything. It's powerful, dude. That ayahuasca stuff is real powerful. So I would like to do that again. Do what is, what is the reason why you take the SSRIs? I think because when I'm off of them, something feels wrong. I feel it's a battle. A battle. It's a battle to, even if I do running and I do fitness, right? It's a battle to keep myself even. So instead of dealing with that at a more intense level, I choose to take them because it just makes it a little bit easier. I don't think it's taking the easy way out though because if I don't take them and I still do all those things, it's hard for me to get to a good baseline. What do you mean by wrong? Like when you say you feel wrong, what does it feel like? I feel like at any moment, kind of, my feelings can just drop off into like a really surprised low. I don't know where for no reason. Yes. Sometimes with a little bit of motivation to it, right? Or some trigger. But it's, the level that it drops off to, it's too much of a drop for me to not get some help. If we're a little bit and it felt manageable, that's okay. But when it's pretty steep, it's like, oh man, this feels sometimes scary. Yeah, I know what you're saying. But it's gotten, doing that ayahuasca stuff made it a lot better than it had ever been. Neil Brennan said it basically cured him. Yeah, he's the one who took me to it. Yeah, he said it made him much happier. It cured him of like a lot of his, what he felt like were personality disorders that he had. Like Neil's a great guy, but very, very smart, very smart. And sometimes, I wonder about real smart guys, they're just always thinking about things and maybe too much about certain things. And you just get overwhelmed by thoughts and anxiety and emotions. And anxiety is a lot of, what anxiety a lot of is fretting about possibilities for a lot of people. It's the inability to live in the moment and you fret about anxiety. And a lot of it has to do with childhood trauma, a lot of it has to do with genetics, a lot of, anxiety is a weird thing. Like they think that anxiety, whether it's a learned behavior or not, you can actually get it from your parents. I don't know why. I could see that. Can you get anxiety, is anxiety genetic? Google that. My mom made us anxious. Yeah? Yeah, dude, sometimes, we'd go get ice cream, dude, and she would like, she's like, she'd get angry if we, she'd get so angry if we dripped in the oven. Here it goes. There's clear research showing that anxiety is influenced by genetics. In fact, experts notice a family connection for anxiety even before they understood how DNA or genes work. If you have a close relative with anxiety, your chance of developing is about two to six times higher than if you don't. Well, I don't know if that's genetic or if it's just like, Learned behavior. Yeah, if your mom is always, or your dad is always like, they're fucking anxious and they come over and they're always fucking tickling you, then you're going to fucking feel tickled all the time. If you're always getting fucked with. Yeah, yeah, something, bugging you or something, even just tickling you with their words. Yeah, genetics of generalized anxiety disorder and related traits. Well, for sure, mental illness is genetic. There's a lot of people that are mentally ill and their children are mentally ill, or their family's mentally ill. Man, I used to have a much more ignorant view on mental health because I have my own mental health issues, which I'm sure we all do, but mine was like, just don't be a pussy. Get your work done. You feel great. And I don't have to take anything. And even though I don't have to take anything, I'm still doing something to mitigate it. I'm doing something every day to work on it. And when I don't, I do feel it. Right. Like a lot of people do. So I always wonder, maybe those people just aren't doing the work. Maybe they just got up in the morning, went running before work or did something before. Maybe they could get through this and not need a fucking pill. Yeah. I don't think that anymore. Interesting. I think, yeah, there's times where I thought that I'm just not tough enough. I'm just not doing enough. I'm not enough to battle this. And then I get to a point where so many times I tried to stop taking it. And it's like it's too much of a discrepancy that makes things unmanageable to a point where it feels like it's unfair to be that unmanageable to myself. So I get back on it. And I don't think it really bothers me or anything like that. It's kind of the same with alcoholism. I thought alcoholism used to just be like somebody couldn't stop drinking or whatever. Right. But there's so much more. Alcoholism is the only disease that will tell you you don't have the disease. Right? That's correct. Imagine if you put on a shirt, right? But every couple days, a shirt was like, guess what? You don't have a shirt on. I don't think that's a good analogy. I don't know if it is, but it seems like it. But that's what alcohol is. Because alcoholism would tell you you don't have a problem. Right. You don't have a problem. Have another drink. Yeah. Relax. Have another coke. Have some more coke. Bump. Yeah. Have another family.