#2070 - Evan Hafer

Cage fighting commentators. That's what you're classified as. Pothead, comedian, slash cage fighting commentator. Fighting commentator. I got a personal IQ for that. No, that's great. So you said it was the average, there's 16% of America that has below 85 IQ. Correct. So that's the cutoff for military service. This can take take somebody in this is the kind of talk to start Hitler off They start getting some masteries You Janet because you know like I would never ever say that people shouldn't breed I would never say anything like that. I wouldn't never I would never If we're in Elk County camp, I might be telling you that. But publicly, I would never say that. You would never say it on this podcast. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I don't know what my parents IQs were. What if my parents were, you know, like, what if they got IQs and their IQ tests were really low. But I mean, isn't it possible that someone who's rig, not that bright has a super smart kid, like the give them enough vaccines and the kid comes out of genius? I hope that's the case for my kids. Okay. I think, got to hope so. I go, they got a little bit more than I do. Yeah. Life's hard when you're stupid. Oh my God, it's so hard when you're dumb. God. So I've had conversations with dudes and like halfway in the conversation, I'm like this poor motherfucker with this dim light bulb. But typically me, that's the way I feel. Where I'm like, I'm running this thing to the red, you know, like I've got max RPPMs going on up here, down here, yeah, I got a head dinner with Eric Weinstein. Yeah, see that's what I'm talking about. It's crazy. I'm just trying to like impossible to keep up. It's like you're at VO2 Max and he hasn't even like stepped off the curb mentally. Yeah, he's like, let me explain this to you. [2:02] He got out the crayons and drew me some pictures. I'm just not fucking aware. Dude, he literally wrote, I don't even know if it's been disproven. See, this is a thing, the stuff that he discusses is so complex that there's only like, what's the amount of people in the world that could even argue with him about it? But he wrote a theory of everything. The theory of everything. The theory of everything. And he announced it on this podcast. He published this theory and he's putting it out there for people to judge. And I don't know how it's been received. I don't know. But how would I know? I mean, I would never understand who's wrote it. Like one of the things that I've learned during COVID. This whole trusty experts saying, suck my dick. Okay, that's nonsense. There's a lot of these people that are fucking foolish shit and bought and paid for, and I don't trust just the experts anymore. I trust some experts. I trust if I can understand what they're talking about and I know where maybe their conflicts lie, [3:03] I can see well, why would they be ignoring certain studies, but highlighting others? Oh, there's a conflict of interest. Oh, there's some money involved. Oh, maybe there's a revolving door. And they can get into some nice agency or some corporation after they're done with the agency. I can kind of look at that, but it takes time. With this shit, when he's talking about about I have no idea who the experts are And I have no idea what he's literally talking about a theory of everything You we were and it was Brian Cowlin and me and it was a wild conversation because you even get to talk Yeah, yeah I got to talk Like 10% of the time which which I felt was solid number. Yeah, that's a solid number. Like I showed up. I got up to bat, you know, I can't see, I ever hit the ball, but I was at least participating. I was just breathing. I was just breathing with Jordan Peterson where we've had a three and a half hour conversation I've talked for three minutes. Now that does not surprise me at all because he can go. He can go. That guy [4:09] can go. Have you watched those the monk debates with him? Those are incredible. Amazing. Him and Malcolm Gladwell, that debate when he was Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson, like that, that thing was so good because I just love watching those guys intellectually eviscerate people because it's hilarious to me. I do, but it becomes a bit of an intellectual rap battle. And that's what I don't like about it. Yeah, okay. I just feel like it's beneath those guys. And when I see guys like Malcolm like dunking on people Shouldn't we just be disgusting the data like shouldn't it instead of trying to Invoke an emotional response from someone I understand why you would do that if you were fucking with someone If you wanted to like have an argument with someone but like what is this? [5:04] Publicly for why is it public? What's public because we're trying to understand who's right and who's wrong? if you wanted to have an argument with someone, but like, what is this publicly for? Why is it public? What's public? We're trying to understand who's right and who's wrong. I wanna know why you think the way you think. There's clearly many different schools of thought when it comes to many cultural things, and people are fiercely opposed to the other side. I wanna know where you're coming from. If you're dunking on people, like now I do know where you're coming from. I don't like that. I don't like, because like, first of all, it's not any of that funny. If you're going to do it, be good at it. Like, be fucking funny. And also, it's not necessary to this argument, this discussion. You should really be talking about why you really believe what you believe and what you think is wrong with this opposing opinion. Not just being silly. I love, but I do. I love the debate stage. I love that forum for two people to take a topic. I used to watch debates. I think PBS used to do a series on just, you know, [6:00] they take one topic and they chew it up and they figure out where is the crowd before and then where it was a crowd after. And they're fascinating because when people are going from opposing points, they're going back and forth if they stick to facts and they don't get personal because that's when it actually starts to get like really now you're just kind of being personal. You're degrading the actual conversation. You're not going, it's not a fight. It's not like, from my perspective, you look at it, you're like, it's kind of like watching a match. Where you're watching two guys go back and forth, hit for hit. Yes. And seeing guys like Jordan and Douglas Murray or some of those guys really flex, it's pretty funny to me. Sam Harris is the goat at that. When it comes to religious debates, that guy's the best at that shit. Cause he has this measure tone and he never loses his cool and he has so much fucking information. That's when I became a fan of his [7:02] as watching those religious debates. Cause sometimes when people believe a thing so much, they haven't ever looked at the thing the way someone who doesn't believe in the thing looks at it. When you get a guy like Sam who's so eloquent and is not buying it, and he has a bunch of really logical reasons why he's not buying it. Some of them are pretty funny. And when he brings those up in front of you and then the audience is laughing, it's like, ooh, this is a tough spot to be. Just saying you're trying to pull out all the stuff to figure out why you're right. When you got that much powered and not only to bait somebody on a subject with an encyclopedia of information and be funny so you can be charismatic you can be logical you can keep a measured tone that guy's pretty fucking skilled oh he's a wizard at that yeah he's a wizard at that I it's a game you know you're playing it [8:02] it's like you get to it's like chess it's like you're playing it. It's like jujitsu. It's like chess. It's like you're playing this game. There's a bunch of moves. I'm trying to figure out who can get their moves off. But I think people genuinely want to know, like did you ever see that movie? There's a documentary about, um, it's God, what was it called? The one about Gore Vidal and That what's that guy the Yes, best event. No, I've been seeing Gore Vidal and what's the fucking other guy's name? I always forget his name Yeah, William Buckley so Buckley's the conservative and Gore Vidal Yes, the the and they aired these I think it was on NBC is that what it was on ABC or NBC? Oh, yeah, but it got huge? ABC or NBC? Oh yeah. But it got huge ratings. Like they were losing in the ratings and this was kind of a Hail Mary. Have William F. Buckley is the leading conservative in Gore-Vidal, who's this wild liberal. And so they were on moderated on ABC. [9:01] Yeah. ABC. News coverage of the Republican National Convention in Miami. So this is 1968. They're fucking great, man. Yeah. Because one of the things that people are learning through podcasts, when you talk about guys like Eric Weinstein or guys like Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris, people want to hear people talk. The people that are above that 85 queue. You know, what is it? 84% of the population. The people that are above, those fucking people want, they want to hear how interesting intelligent people are discussing ideas. And you don't see any of that shit on TV. Except Bill Marshall. But even Bill Marshall, there's a lot of people talking over each other. It's got a, It's an hour. Everything's got to fit in an hour, it's on HBO. Which is why I think he's doing his own show. He's doing his own podcast. Yeah, it's like after Dark or something. I completely changed it. Yeah, it's very good. It's very good. I've seen it. And he's really himself in that. Like Bill Marrow, if you want to chill with Bill and have a drink. He really does a fantastic job of just being himself. [10:07] It's not interesting when you think about Bill Marrow and his kind of outward appearance from his political point of view, which is typically going to be left. And then guys that go on a show and they have this really complex, interesting conversation, but for a bunch of people, they won't even watch Bill because he's left. They won't even watch. So they're gonna stick in their echo chamber. They're gonna continue to kind of propagate out speaking points from either platform. And they're never gonna go out and watch different things just based on a person's political view. Yeah, joining a political party, being in a political party like ideologically in your head is not good for you. It's bad for, like there are a lot of things that people who are on the right believe that I agree with. And there's a lot of things that people on the left believe that I agree with. [11:01] And I refuse, I refuse to be a part of this left versus right thing. I think it's stupid. I think it's bad for us. I think it's a trap. I think it's a really dumb trap in America. And Bill Marks has a lot of really wise shit. And he says a lot of shit about culture that goes against the ideology that he's a part of. He says deep in the Hollywood system as is humanly possible. He's a political host on a show on HBO. I mean, that's like deep Hollywood. Right. You know, he knows where the sex parties are at. He's probably, he's probably the guy setting the pin. Yeah, he knows who's wearing the goat mask. You know, like if there's a fucking aluminum on the Hollywood, that guy the goat mask. You know, like if there's a fucking illuminati in Hollywood, that guy's with me while, you know, he does all these jokes in his monologue about transitioning kids. Right. About like, maybe we shouldn't just break out the dick saw right away. And like, yo, Bill is going for it. That because he never stopped being a comic. [12:03] Bill Mar, out of all these guys that become hosts of talk shows He never stopped just being a comic. He never stopped touring He never stopped doing all of his live shows never stopped being a comic That's what separates Bill because there's a lot of these guys Look man you get a job like the host of the tonight show or something along those lines that you are fucking set baby Dude that is like go I'm buying a Ferrari I mean like a house in Malawi You know like you're balling out of control and there's a lot of a lot of like Pressure to keep that going and to to appease the people that would make those decisions and to also be as marketable as humanly possible to everybody out there in the world so that you can maintain this job. So whether or not there's like verbal, why not they sit you down and say, hey, this is what you have to say. You support a woman's right to choose. You support immigration. [13:01] You support racist, ID's are racist. There's like things you have to say. You know, with the vaccine, aren't you, Jimmy? Like, yeah, I'm with the vaccine. Like, you have to, they don't necessarily sit you down and do that, but you, you fucking know. You fucking know. I mean, it's, it's, um, unwitting or whitting essentially extortion to a certain degree because you're saying if you don't cooperate you're going to be on the streets and you're not going to get picked for stuff. No. Like it's a wip but it's a tyranny that like if there's one person or one group that has the overwhelming part of discerning who makes it or who doesn't make it. They have the ability to choose who's the rock. Yeah, yeah. They have the ability to choose. They're gonna put this guy in the moves because let me tell you something. As good as Tom Cruises and he's a great actor. As good as Brad Pitt is, he's a great actor. There's some unknown 28 year old that can do exactly what they can do right now. [14:02] Exactly. It's a different kind of skill. It's not like boxing. Like we don't know who the best boxer is. We fucking know who the best boxers are. You know, we watch them. Right. These guys are out there in like little plays and shit. And you have no idea how good they are because they don't get chosen yet. And there's thousands of them. And they're all trying to go to the same spot with a very limited amount of slots for them to get into. And think about what they have to do. And a little window of time. Yeah. Because you gotta get in there while you're attractive. Your skin still looks good. Whatever. I mean, look at those guys. They're running it as far as they can. I mean, how old is Tom Cruise like 80? He's a thousand years old. Yeah he's a vampire. He looks fucking great. He looks awesome. He's still jumping out of planes. Like he's flying planes. He's jumping out of planes. He's jumping on a stunt jumping between two buildings. There's a big image. He's shattering his ankle. Yeah. Like that guy and regardless of you know all the crazy stuff that he said crazy stuff [15:06] He says is a good part of it. I think you think so. Yeah, I think that's why so good Listen man. I swore off dating actresses when I was like 27 And I was like there's just too much work to do crazy It's actually really good ones. Yeah, I'm not saying if you're really good actress You have to be nuts, but boy, it would help. It would really help. Because they can lock into a role in some fucking insane way that, you know, like they're crying, screaming and crying, nothing happened. But they're pretending. But you would think their mom just died, right in front of them. It's crazy. The ability to do that is nuts, and some people just have it, and there's a lot of them out there, and I would imagine if you're really good at that, like you don't think Daniel DeLuas is crazy. Oh man, he strikes me as one. He strikes me as like, He strikes me as like, [16:01] he also strikes me as fascinating. Oh yeah. What's going on in his brain being able to compartmentalize emotion and do the things that he's done? The scenes from, there will be, what is it? The way we blood. Yes. Holy shit dude. Dude, when he, that's when he, he crushes that guy's skull and the bowling alley in his basement. That might be one of the single greatest scenes in movie history when he's tense. He is so intense. He's so perfect at that role in the camera angles and the way that they were feeding that to the audience was so fucking brilliant. So good. I drink your milkshake. Yeah. And he's like making that straw like this. Yeah. I'm gonna make my straw there. Like that guy is incredible. He's incredible. Have you had him on the show? No, I don't even know if he does that. Here we go. [17:07] Jesus Christ. Everything. Jesus Christ. Just everything that guy that does a bowling pin. And then every little piece of that was put together perfectly from the way that his face was contorted to the level of breathing that he was participating in and then as he falls down this is just so incredible. What is it? I'm brother! I'm brother! I'm brother! [18:06] I'm brother! Amazing. I don't remember what he did. What did he do that he's beating him to death? I can't remember either. I think he just... I mean, who knows? I looked at the individual scenes in the movie and I was like, I mean, who knows? I looked at the individual scenes in the movie and I was like, this is fucking awesome. Oh, he's insane. Yeah. He's incredibly good. I think it would help. I think that's what's helping with Tom Cruise. I think being nutty helps. Yeah. You have to be. Yeah. Or at least maybe how much do you have it in you? Yeah, maybe you can keep it together most of the time. You know, there's, you know, there's people that like they keep it together most of the time. But if something goes sideways, there's like a little switch that you see go off in their head. They're like, oh, the other Brad is here now. It's like crazy Brad is here. I've known a few of those guys. Of course [19:01] you do. Yeah. We both know guys like that. So they take places that some people, like they don't have that room in their house. Yeah. And this guy's like, I wanna show you this room. And you open up with the fucking gigantic band gave it. Thanks in there. And fucking garage lifts and pistols all over the wall. He's like, oh, I didn't know you like it when you discover people that are secret preppers that they keep it, they keep it way underneath their, their overt personality. Right, right, right. I was shooting this shit with some guy a couple of months ago and he's like, so you know he prepping? I was like, oh yeah, I love it. It's awesome. It's like, you know, I don't play fantasy football. I like participate in these like, you know, preparation games or whatever, cause it's just an interesting thought exercise to walk yourself through. And oh, by the way, if something happens, you also have kind of a group of contingencies that you can operate from. And he's like, okay, and it was like, I passed the test cause I was like, yeah, man, let's go. [20:01] And then he started unpacking everything for me. Oh, yeah, I got a shipping container buried on the my property Yeah, that's cool so do I yeah, I like that. I like it when I see those stuff Well, it is a good thing to know you know my glove is great at that which got him labeled a terrorist I think Yeah, fucking explaining to people how to repair these things go sideways and they're like you are a problematic individual. Yeah, I don't know how that happened. Well, I do know how that happens. How do you have? I think you have a bunch of people within the federal government that have a political agenda and or they don't understand. They see any and everyone in the country that owns a firearm is some type of threat at some point. And they have to be, what I would say is familiar with all aspects of America. They have to really understand like, [21:01] hey, there's a group of people out there that prepare for the worst worst hope for the best. That's what they do. And they're really into it. And just because they're going to the range with a group of friends and they're preparing, doesn't make them domestic terrorists. It just makes them prepare. Prepared. Yeah. And here's the thing that I think people should put in their heads. Does everybody remember? It may be, I'm speaking to people that live in Los Angeles because this is where it gets rare. Does everybody remember the lines outside the gun stores? Do you remember during the riots, there was lines outside the gun stores? Listen to me, kids, keep that energy. Keep that energy because that didn't go away forever. That was just a couple of years ago and the weirdness of life, the weirdness of the way the world works, some shit could pop off anywhere and everywhere. That's real. That's a real possibility. We all saw what just happened in Israel. [22:00] It's a real possibility that some shit could pop off. And to bury your head in the sand and pretend that that's not possible. That doesn't help anybody. Doesn't help anybody. And to prepare, why is preparing bad? Do you think that? Do you think that's a, you think it's part of the cultural differences between people like just in general, between like red and blue and people. What I would say is the question is there's people that are really individual, they want to take accountability and there's other people that are like, I want to bury my head in the sand. And I want the government to take care of everything. Yeah, yeah. You think that's part of it? It's part of it, but there's also... There's a weird denial of possibility that comes along with not wanting preparedness. And it's one of the rare times when I look at someone like Mike Glover being labeled a terrorist, it's one of the rare times I go, well, there might actually be a conspiracy [23:02] to keep people weak. Yeah. That might they might want to look at people like that as resistance to authoritarianism and they want to squash that. It's one of the rare times why I don't look at it objectively. I look at decisions like that and go, oh you like weak people, you only want weak people. You don't want people to challenge you once you get into power. You don't want people to say, hey, that's against the law. Or hey, this is not the way we're supposed to be operating. You want people to just comply. And when no one's armed, people comply. And when everyone's armed, it's really hard to get people to comply. Especially if they're kind of in agreement, if there's a large percentage of us that are in agreement like no you can't listen to all my phone calls. You're just a person. Whether you work for whatever fucking agency if I'm a guy who works at a tire shop who doesn't do anything wrong and you want to listen to all my phone calls. What you're just a person. What you should be, look if [24:02] you find a guy who you know is fucking wearing a suicide vest is about to walk into a wall, you know something's going on. Yeah, listen to that guy's phone. And if you got a chain of terrorists that you're studying and you need to listen to their phones, fuck yeah, listen to their phones. But if a guy just likes to can peaches and he owns a couple of nine millimeters and an AR, you want to listen to his phone, hey man, I fuck you. Wait, did you see where this was last week, or maybe the week before last, they were talking about how they had TSA, air marshals following people that were in DC, not even at the Capitol, but they were in DC during January 6th. So they just been following these people around the United States. Have you seen this? What? Yeah, they were saying they don't have the resources over the Thanksgiving travel period to staff the security needs from the like airlines because they had people that were air marshals, I believe. I'm scrolling through this. Following people that were just in DC, [25:04] they weren't even like implemented in anything It was wild. What do they follow them for was I don't know I think I Mean I think there's a level of intrusiveness in the government that is just At some point we have to say it's unacceptable like I think I mean obviously this is a long podcast. We don't need to take down the temperature just yet, but I think, I mean, obviously this is a long podcast. We don't need to take down the temperature just yet, but I think, man, I don't quite understand why they want that level of surveillance activity around people that quite literally might have only been in DC during that time period. I think the amount of pressure that they're putting on people to let them know that if there's ever anything like this again, this is what's gonna happen. Everyone's going to jail. People that shouldn't go to jail are going to jail. If the cops let you in the door and they give you a tour, you're going to jail. [26:01] Like we're gonna call it a violent insurrection and everyone's going to jail. And we're gonna let you in. We're gonna open up the barricades and we're gonna have federal agents in the audience, encouraging you to go into the house. And then when we're under oath, we're gonna say we can't answer whether or not federal agents were inciting people to go into the Capitol. Like how ethically inappropriate do you think everything about that is? It's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. Yeah. If this was happening from the right, if this was Trump doing this, people would be losing their shit. Be losing their shit. You should be losing your shit if it happens in any political party. This is wild. It's wild, I think. I don't know, and I'm not by any stretch the imagination gonna fix it, but I think, the Bill of Rights is so important. And for people to understand what it means, and clearly differentiate between, okay, this is states, this is federal, [27:02] why are these things so important? Individual liberty comes with responsibility. Like that's the other piece to this. It's like, you and I love freedom. Like to be fair, it's quite, quite literally my favorite thing. Like it's pretty fun to have more. It's awesome. Like you can never have too much, I don't think. Like, no, I don't think so. Because I'm gonna take accountability, I'm't think so. Because I'm going to take accountability. I'm going to be responsible for my actions. I'm not going to mess with other people. I'm not going to impede on their ability to pursue happiness because I'm responsible. But I think, you know, that's me. That's you. I think there's a whole other side of the country. They're like, hey, I don't want any responsibility for this. It's just too much for me. Yeah, I think what you're saying is so important because I think freedom without responsibility is what everyone's scared of. Yeah. You know what people talk about gun violence or they talk about crime or anything. [28:01] What you're talking about is freedom without responsibility, even illegal immigration, freedom without responsibility, and accountability and responsibility and like having things that you have to do is what we need more of. That's what we need more of. You want to have more freedom? We definitely should have more freedom, but we should also have more people that are taking care of their life. They have their shit together. So we should be doing instead of trying to take away freedom, try giving people the tools that they need to be more accountable, and to do better in their life, and to get their fucking shit together. Like that should be the number one emphasis, not taking away your rights because some people can't handle it. Right. You know, there's just, and that equals everything, right? So then it's like, we'll say that the highly motivated people that are going to, that will live their life with virtue and courage and pursue all of what I would say is Western [29:00] philosophic, like principles. I think we can, we collectively can be trusted with that responsibility, but then you have that other piece that's saying, I don't wanna have anything to do with that. I'd rather have a safe, secure existence without any accountability or responsibility. I 100% agree, that's why, and this isn't like, it's not meant to be like over-complimentary, but I think that's why I And this isn't like It's not meant to be like over complimentary, but I think that's so this show and other people like you and Jaco and cam and Jordan whomever all said it's out kind of out there in the ecosystem You guys are putting really good information out into the world saying like I was I was To reference Your podcast with Lex that you did maybe like a year ago. He was asking you straight up advice. Like, how do you make yourself better? How do you be a better person? You're answering. Saying, Hey, this is what worked for me. Well, you're obviously successful. [30:01] You should be propagating that out into the, into the country, into the world, having men and women, everybody else saying, fuck yeah, I'm going to take more accountability. I'm going to be more responsible for my life. I'm going to live radically free because that's fucking cool. That is what people who live in cities don't like. If you're living in a city, you're in an apartment building, and you're an urbanist, you're a young person, you're a sub-minor. So you have a scarf, and you're going to get your latte, and maybe you're getting an Uber, or you're hopping in the subway. What you like is infrastructure. You like everything to be set up for you. Oh, we have dinner at the Italian restaurant. 730, great. You go over there, you eat food that someone else prepared, you get a glass of wine that someone else grew the grapes. You're not doing shit other than consuming and this is what you enjoy. We're gonna go to the play. We're gonna go to the opera. We're gonna go see a film. Oppenheimer's out. We're gonna go home. Oh, this person is the fucking comedy club. Let's go see that. [31:06] Let's go, you know, let's constantly consume. And those people, like, people say, no, you need to get in shape and you need to start eating well. Like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not interested in this at all. I want someone to wipe my ass. I have a seat on the toilet that sprays water up my ass. So I barely have to wipe anymore. It just hoses my ass down. I press buttons. I go to sleep. I take an ambience. I go to sleep. I wake up in the morning. I go to Starbucks. Yeah, it's almost a prescription for what I would say is, if you want to live within the safety and in the sanctuary of an urban environment where you've got everything mapped out to you. So you've been indoctrinated under a system of like bells and whistles that conformity means everything in academia, which is don't stick out. You know, like, beyond time, be best in class, make sure that you're hitting all your bells [32:04] and whistles. When you move directly into that urban area where you're also working from nine to five, or whomever, you know, or whatever, it's like 60, 70 hours a week, but everything is laid out. It's very lock step conformity all the way through. Dude, I have zero interest in doing that. Like that sounds like a prison to me, to be honest with you. That sounds like a fucking prison. Well, that's what's fascinating is that these people that we're talking about, that live in these urban environments that have jobs like that and are not interested in physical health and are going to restaurants and doing all the things. Those people are the most fucked up. Yeah, they have the most health problems. They have the most mental health problems. I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing, but I know a lot of people that live in urban cities that are on SSRIs. I know a lot of them. I would like, you know, there's that 15% [33:01] of the people that have 85 or below IQ. What percentage of the people that have 85 or below IQ, what percentage of the people that live in cities that live like that are on antidepressants or some sort of psychoactive medication? I read that too. I think it's about the same. I think it's almost equal. There's another 10% of people out there. So when you think about the numbers, depending on how much overlap there is, there's 50 million people between below 85 and then that are what you would say is clinically depressed indoor on some type of psychological drug, right? So that's like 15% as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's almost equal. Yeah, I wonder how much of those are confined to urban areas. It's got to be higher. I think it's almost a math thing. It's called standard deviation. There's like always gonna be a certain number that are 50% that's way, 50% that way. You know what's interesting with depression? Is that no one takes into account how well you're doing. Like don't you feel better when you're doing well? [34:00] Like when you have a good relationship, you got a good group of friends. You got a why don't we think of that as medicine? I Think about it like I've had a lot of time over the last I would say a couple of years to try to like turn the bolts on this to figure out what it is That's like makes me happy or creates more endurance or energy or whatever it might be and There's this Ud ammonia have you ever heard of this no principle? It's like this old or whatever it might be. And there's this eutomonia. Have you ever heard of this? No. It's principle. It's like this old Greek term that they would use to define happiness and fulfillment through hard work and accomplishing your goals and objectives. So it's essentially being happy in establishing very difficult criteria for yourself and then adhering to it. And it's older than the Stoics. And I realized I was like, oh, that's kind of what makes me tick. I love just grinding myself into Mundo's. Like we were talking earlier. I was like, I'm running this whole machine [35:01] in the red all the time, right? It's like I'm 5'760 pounds, so it's like, I've got to work to put out physical energy to even keep up, you know, in a special operations team or whatever previous profession that I've had, I've got to push this thing to the red, carry weight to carry enough energy that I can accomplish a task. And then when you're floating just above maybe an average IQ, you also have to run this thing in the red. There's no like plus or minus 5% dude. Like I have to get in and grind myself into Moon Dust every day and I got to ring the sponge out of it. If I don't, well I'm gonna be just average because I'm average. Yeah, that's a thing. Like, you found ways to use the way you think about things and figure out a path in life. I think the difference between a guy like you and these people we're talking about is some people are just looking for a place to plug in. [36:03] And I think that's where the despair comes from. I think that the despair comes from not having a real purpose. Like not everything you really built or anything that you really feel proud of or anything that you really feel like. Like your company, like Black Rifle, is creative as well as like really great coffee and cool people. It's all veteran owned. It's like something to be proud of. It's like a real thing. Like you go there, people are smiling. It feels good. You've created this amazing business. Like that's a very different feeling than someone who's in some corporate structure. And you know, there's fucking all these weird rules and laws and social things you have to do in the office in order to get ahead. And you have to learn how to play golf. Yeah, even if you don't wanna play, you gotta play golf, you wanna play deals, you gotta play golf. You gotta hit the links on the weekend and like suck up to some other guy [37:02] that pleated front docker wearing back slapping guy that you're like, ah man, like maybe he's a cocksucker. Yeah, maybe he's a complete dick. Maybe he's going to be a dick. And also if he's a dick and he's good at golf and you suck at golf, oh my god, you're never going to win any of these fucking conversations when it comes to business. Or you really just want to do something else like Like, did I got to go play golf every weekend? Folksongs. Yeah. I want to play a acoustic guitar or be it. I used to have that conversation with guys at the agency because there are people that just, they weren't into the mission. They, to your point, it's like my purpose, my mission, and kind of the way that I've laid things out, was I've always had to work for something bigger than just myself. Like I can't just be really selfish. It doesn't even compute my DNA. I have to look at something from a bigger purpose, [38:01] look at the mission, the goals and objectives, be somewhat altruistic and then just fucking dive in. Then you can be selfless in some of what you're doing and you can kind of behave as a cog in the wheel, which I think is actually a really important piece to development is how many people have ever worked as just a number, just a number in a machine. Right. You don't feel valuable. No, no, you don't. And creating value with a team with a bigger purpose, I think that's what guys in the military and guys from my background, as they transition out, they go through what I would say is an existential crisis because their life has meaning, their essence is clearly defined. They're striving to accomplish a big goal and objective that takes complete intellectual and physical capitulation. And when they get out, they're like, now we have all this freedom, 360 degrees. [39:05] Well, you have to lay your own life out. You have to redefine your purpose and then drive in as deep as you can. I think they go through a significant existential crisis. Well, that happens to guys that get out of prison, too. Yeah. Guys that get out of prison, a lot of them want to get arrested to go back because they're more comfortable in jail. Right. They don't like the freedom. They don't like this new life. All their friends are still locked up. Their social connections are locked up out in the street. They're a pariah. They're an ex-con. You know? And it, some of those things are like transitioning into, you know, the professional environment, especially from, from the team room, like I was in a team room my entire life. And I mean, you know, me, uh, you know, better than most, which is not politically correct. I couldn't build an ecosystem nor could I have a, I could have ever survived in the corporate environment because my mind doesn't work like that. Like I, I have the diplomacy of a sledgehammer sometimes and it's not. [40:03] But at least there's a place for a mind like yours. The thing is when you're a kid, they tell you there's not. When I was a kid, man, I was fucking absolutely convinced I was a loser. Really? Yeah, yeah. I fought with fuck up in school, big fuck up in school. Always getting kicked out of classes for making fun of things. Never had any work ethic at all. The only time I worked is when I like, if I needed money to buy a car or something like that, I'd get a job and I'd do that. But I was in hell thinking like, imagine having to do this for life. Like all the, I had a bunch of, my dad was an architect, so I had a bunch of construction jobs growing up. And those fucking taught me that I don't wanna do that. Like I had a whole summer I worked with my friend Jimmy Lawless and we carried cement bags and pressure treated lumber all summer. It was like, I only worked there for like a couple months. I'm saying all summer. I don't even, might not have been a couple months, might have been a couple weeks. I was 19 and I remember really clearly going, I am never going to be able to do this [41:06] because I would leave at the end of the day. I was toast. I was done man. I'd go to the gym to work out. I had nothing. I was just so tired. There was nothing. I realized like, okay, I can't do this. I don't, I admire people who can do it. You can just show up for work every day. I feel like I'm in hell. I gotta find a thing. But I got lucky to, there's things. And you got lucky that there's things. But in school, they don't tell you that there's things. They don't say, hey, Joe, I see how you can pay attention in class, you're always cracking jokes. Like, maybe you should be a comedian. Like, no. Never. They're like, you're gonna fail. Yeah, you're a fucking loser, you're a loser. And until I started being good at stuff, I didn't realize that I could, that maybe I wasn't a loser. Like, so, yeah. This is when I started doing martial arts, that was the first time I was like, oh, I could fucking apply myself to things, I could actually be really good at stuff. It's just a matter of, I didn't find a thing that was interesting to me until this. Yeah, it's very similar. You and I had very, very similar backgrounds. My dad was, he was a logger, so he was up at three, [42:09] four o'clock in the morning every day. Like I saw this, do you just work his entire life? And he was so committed and so disciplined. I never saw my dad in ebriated. I always saw him with a lunch box. He worked in the woods my entire life. But I wasn't good at shit. Like it, which is also good. Like, you know, I like to, you know, fuck around with my buddies and I like to do interesting things I guess for that, like try to jump motorcycles or whatever kind of random shit you'd come up with. But, you know, is, is I got into the military? I was like, oh, I'm good at this. Like I'm shit you'd come up with. But, you know, is I got into the military? I was like, oh, I'm good at this. Like I'm really good at this for some reason. You know, I can run fast, I can shoot well. You know, I can put together semi coherent sentences. So, shit, I can be good at this. And this is something I can, you know, [43:02] steal the phrase, accelerate your life or whatever. I can accelerate and you know, steal the phrase, accelerate your life or whatever. I can accelerate my life. And it was fun, dude. I could jump out of planes and learn different languages and spend most of my life out of the country. But it was the same kind of evolution. It was like, I found this thing that I was really good at. I loved it. And I could just go chips in on it. And it built layers of confidence and allowed me to just build the confidence to say, well, you know what, if I was good at this, I could probably apply this to other things in life. Yeah. And it just compounds. Like, way I built Black Rifle and why I did was like, my mission statement when I transitioned out was to transition out a government service and live a happy and fulfilling life. That was it. It didn't have anything to do with money or goals or any of those things. It was how do I define happiness? How do I define fulfillment? [44:01] And then as we grew the company after about the first year, it became really evident that I could not only do something because I had this beautiful family that I loved, like my kids and my wife and they're giving me so much power and endurance, what if I built this really cool company where you could leave the family that you love and go to work in a company that you love, and then it would become a flywheel, who just get faster and faster and faster in your life and create more happiness, more fulfillment. What if I could scale that and give that to other people? And so far, I mean, it's fucking worked. Like, I feel so happy and I feel so, I'm so happy and you know, I feel so, like I'm so grateful. Like I'm just so grateful for the things that I've been able to do over the last 10 years. And you know, I tell this to people all the time or go to my refrigerator, pull milk out for my kids. [45:00] There's not a morning or a day that doesn't go by where I don't think my customers for they've given me this opportunity. They've given me this opportunity to make crazy our amazing coffee and build this culture of people that I love. Fuck that, that is cool, man. And it's very cool. It's them, they did it. They did it for me. I just kind of like have facilitated it. But it was the perfect thing for you to plug into. Yeah. And to apply your passion into a new direction. What's interesting too about Black Rifle and by the way, thank you for the cup. Yeah, man. Evan brought me a mug. This is how thoughtful he is. It's white on the inside so I can see how dark the coffee is. That's a real coffee nerd, folks. Folks, yeah, it's built perfectly from, and I won't like everybody will gloss over and start like tuning out, but it's one to 16 ratio broom method, 30 grams of coffee in and 480 grams yielded. But then you can see it, how dark is it, how light is it? You can kind of, I built it for the perfect mug based on how many [46:03] fingers can you get in through the handle? What's the weight of it? I also build things that if you have to hit somebody in the fucking face with it It's got some half yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy a lot more half to it. It's got a heavy heavy bottom in it So there's a little bit of thought that we can focus on that. Especially if you get your hand around it this way. That's how I would do it. I wouldn't hold on to the hand. I'm not trusting this handle. I can put my fingers through the handle. I'm looking at this end right here. It's being the most durable spot to hit somebody with. It's got a nice angle. See? Yeah. I like what you're saying. Yeah. This is a good three finger handle too. It's just perfect. I've got fat fingers. It gets right in there. I got a pinky in the bottom to brace. I like it. See? Yeah. There's a little bit of thought. We're going into it. Yeah. The coffee thought is nuts, man. When I went to your place and I saw your lab, I was like, this is so preposterous. It is. [47:05] You are such a nerd. The way you measure the exact amount of coffee and you're experimenting with different temperatures by like two and three degrees. Yeah. It's so crazy. But you can tell when you make coffee in coffee camp, when in hunting camp, rather, like it was the most spoiled time ever. Like we get like the most insane coffee. And it was hilarious. Like we ran out of coffee filters and someone was it Cody? I think guys said, oh, we can use a paper towel. You go, you just turned them. We were not using a fucking paper towel. Yeah. I got angry. I got angry. You did get angry. Because he was serious. I was like, you can't. are you serious? No, we're not doing that like I'll go to the store I'll get I'll get filters Yeah, they wrote some fucking coffee beans and throw a rock into a Like yeah, this is what as a guy's their animals. Yeah, they're They're amazing guys. They're amazing guys. They're amazing hard work and dudes. I love those guys [48:03] I look forward to going there every year. Dude. We have so much fun together too. That's such a fun week. I had so much fun this year like for, for you know, the people listening I guess. It's like, I got to watch you do like 30 stocks. Yeah, it's a lot of, there's a lot of stocking and blown stocks and miss shots and missed opportunities and you get winded and yeah. Elkunding is amazing, dude. That is amazing. That bull that you killed, um, a pair of fours, like that thing was so cool to watch because I watched the entire thing and I'll recite it from my position because I couldn't really see you very well because you'd moved off and I'm looking at him from across I was on one spur you were on the other and there's little valley in between us But we were probably I don't know a thousand yards away And I'm watching you through my binos trying to figure out what you're doing because I could see the bowl and [49:03] then He got up and I couldn't tell if you were winded or not. But then all I heard, like I saw him tear ass up the hill and then tumble down. He was dead in five seconds. Like three and a half, five seconds the most. And I heard it from across the canyon, you yelled so loud. We were and we started laughing. Good job. Yeah. And it echoed all the way down through the canyon. I was like, well, hold on. Let's go. I give a brick flare. Yeah. I give a giant woo. Yeah. There are the fucking most interesting animal to me. I mean, I've deer hunted, I've bear hunted, I've hunted access deer. I've hunted a lot of different animals, but elk to me are like the most majestic, they're the coolest looking. Yeah. They're fucking smart as shit when they smell you, their senses are so good. They're they're always tuned in to what the fuck is going on and the only time you catch them slipping is when [50:04] they're hungry, they're tired or they want to fuck. And we caught him when he was tired. So he started to take a nap. And I was like, okay, but you just fucked up. And I creeped in while my socks on. I creeped in for half an hour. I was moving so slow because his head was kind of turned sideways. And I could never tell if he was looking at me. So I had to make no movement. I was just inching towards that motherfucker. And every time you turn away, I get a copulous, low steps, not have to stop. And then I'd have to wonder, I wonder if he remembers what he saw when he turned before. And if that fucking tree is closer, I wonder if he's gonna perk up. It's so exciting, you fucking tree is closer. I wonder if he's gonna perk up. It sucks. And you're fucking hearts pounding. And I breathe. I'm doing all these breathing exercises to slow my heart right down. It's so much fun man. So much fun. And then I'm always, whenever it gets dark around that spot, I'm always wondering about cats. Yeah. Because there's so many cats [51:02] there. I'm always wondering, what if there's an old one who can't really catch deer anymore He's like that thing looks good that thing looks slow as fuck Yeah, that words and camouflage makes you look maybe like caramel or something Smell's louper coffee and sugar Jacked up on an RTD's and like Yeah, like I worry about cats. You do? Yeah, once I saw one in Utah, I was with my friend Colton and we were maybe 30 yards away. He stops the truck and he goes, look at that cat. He goes, look at that fucking lion under the tree. And I look and I see his eyes glowing. And I'm like, oh my God, he's huge. And then I get the binos out. So I'm inside the truck and I'm like, oh my god, he's huge. And then I get the binos out. So I'm inside the truck and I'm looking in his fucking face. Like, like, right. It was terrifying. He was so big. Yeah, these massive forearm stewed. Just jacked forearms. And this big old pumpkin head, I mean, it was a big male cat. [52:01] And I was like, I've never seen one that big. I'd seen little ones before. It's like a one that looked like it was about like 60 pounds, and the other one was pretty much the same size. There was only two cats I've ever seen before. And I saw them very briefly. This motherfucker was just sitting there under a tree at dusk with the big fucking head, man. And it's just the feeling of helplessness was overwhelming. I like if that thing decided to jump me. It's over. You're done. There's not a thing you're gonna be able to do It's so much strong. It's a gigantic house cat. Yeah Do you guys have cats? Not anymore? No, but I've had cats many years and cats Kill so much shit to kill so much I it's always a debate like My wife and I've gone back and forth. I'm like do we get a cat? Do we not get a cat and there there's some they carry some parasite? I got to talk so much Moses. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Mostly the wild cats get it is that what it is. It's from like wild. It's from rats [53:00] This is okay. It's okay. It's a it is a wild Parasite and there's a guy named Robert Sapolsky out of, is that a Stanford? I think he's out of Stanford. Psychologist, brilliant guy. He's done a lot of work on toxoplasmosis. And toxoplasmosis is the reason why they tell people not to touch women's, women that are pregnant, not to touch their cats litter box. Because it can really fuck the kid up. And it can really fuck you up too. But what it does with people is wild. What it does with people is it makes them more reckless. And a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims have tested positive for toxoplasmosis. Some countries, at one point in time France, was as high as 50% of the population was infected by it. What? Yeah, it is a wild parasite that changes the way you think. And one of the things it does is parasites are so fascinating because they literally can hijack another body and get it to do different things. [54:01] So they get inside a rat. The rat gets infected with toxoplasmosis and it rewires the rat's sexual reward system. The rat now becomes sexually aroused by the smell of cat urine. It also completely removes any fear that the rat would have of cats. So the rat goes towards the cat, the cat kills the rat and meets the rat. The only way the parasite can reproduce is inside the cat's gut. So the cat, which is seemingly unaffected by this parasite, is just making it inside of its body. And then when it gets out, it affects all the creatures around it. It probably does affect cats too, but cats are so crazy anyway. How would you know? Just make some slightly crazier. But with people, it makes them wilder Make some more reckless is that why you don't have cats? No, I probably have it I probably have talked so I've I've had feral cats. I had a feral cat for a while. He was nuts He was so nuts that I when I had to fix him He was like I guess he's like when I got him a friend of mine [55:03] Had these cats under her apartment and her and her boyfriend Captured these cats these little kittens and they she goes you want you want a kitten and I had a cat already I'm like oh get my cat a friend and so I get this fucking cat and The the moment I see it It's a tiny little thing. It's tiny things hissing at you look at the demon. And I pick it up and it instantly starts purring. Purring loud. Like you've knit like a foster kid who's finally been hugged. You know what I mean? Just purring like, pfff, pfff, pfff, pfff, pfff, pfff, pff this house that I was renting just with him. So I brought some books in there. I brought his litter box and I brought cat food and I just hung out with this fucking cat for like days in this room. And I had to do it that way because every time I would leave when I'd come back in, he would literally climb the walls, [56:00] just hissing and jumping and clawing at the drapes. It was wild and then I would corner him and I'd touch him And he would start perving it and then I pick him up and I just had patting him and then I just sit there Like reading a book and I did it for days to get this cat comfortable with me It worked. Yeah, I was the only one he was comfortable with though anybody else came over that you could not pick him up You try to pick him up, he would fuck you up. Like he'd bite you, he'd claw at you. But with me, he was cool. It was weird. But he was only cool, like I had a like slowly approach him. His name was Jack Dempsey, because Jack Dempsey was a hobo. So I thought it was a good name for him. Yeah, yeah. So I'd pick him up and he's like you're the only one. I'm like it's okay as long as it's with me you and me buddy we're good. So I had to get him fixed and I had he must have known that my intentions were different you know than before and so he wouldn't let me pick him up and I had to get him into a laundry hamper. There was only what I was gonna be able to carry him. So I cornered him in the bathroom and he's hissing, he's jumping from the tub to the sink, and I'm like, do calm the fuck down. [57:07] It's just me, calm down. So then I got a blanket and I throw the blanket over him and I wrestle him and I stuff him into this fucking vampire and I bring him to this guy, Dr. Craig, who was an amazing guy. He wanted to die later in a car accident, it was one of the saddest fucking things he was the coolest vet ever He was the coolest and I brought him in and I go hey man. I don't even know if you could do this But he's spraying in my house right he needs to get fixed But he's he's wild and he's like how wild I go look how I have him They had to hold this cat down somehow or another and and nested ties him, put him out and then they had to fix him and then brought him back and he was cool. He was fine. Yeah, he was cool with me. He was always cool with me. We got over whatever that was that I fucking kidnapped him. We got over it and he would let me pick him up again. But only me. Like no, my friends, no one, even people that were over the house all the time, no one could pet him. [58:06] That's actually kind of cool. Yeah, I can. I probably got a talk so from that cat. If I had a cat. That's one of the reasons why we haven't had him. Like, because I'm like, yeah. They are ruthless little murderers. Yeah. Cats kill billions of birds every year. BI in America. Billions. There. Billions. That is so nuts. What is the actual number, Jay, because it's so crazy. I see the number of small mammals and birds that house cats. Look at just house cats kill. I look at my dogs and I'm like, due to if I leave for like 45 minutes, I don't know if you guys are gonna make it There's just like fluffy, you know they live on the couch basically There's like no wolf left in them like so here's another [59:06] 0.7 billion small mammals the journal of nature communications cats kill between one point four billion and three point seven billion birds and between six point nine billion and twenty point seven billion small mammals such as metal voles and chipmunks so that's twenty billion mammals and somewhere between one point four billion and three point seven billion birds. That's crazy. That's crazy. That fucking... That fucking... That's like mad respect there, because like these things are living in our house. Oh my God. This one says, between 1.3 and 4 billion birds and between 6.3 and 22.3 billion mammals. So it's probably going up every year, because there's more cats every year, because they keep fucking in the wild ones. So it's probably going up every year because there's more cats every year because they keep fucking and the wild ones are the, you know, wild cats. They're fucking unbelievable murderers. That's fucking wild. Look at this. Researchers get the single cat may kill between 100 and 200 mammals annually. See? Yeah. I like I get to have a barn cat. Like that [01:00:04] be cool. Well, they will definitely keep rats away. Yeah. That is. Like I get to have a barn cat, like that'd be cool. Well they will definitely keep rats away. Yeah. I mean they have a function on farms. They're great. 100%. They're great. They're great at doing. If you want to have a wild cat, that's the place to have them. They fucking keep everything away. There's this hunting lease that my friend Tyler from Archery Country has and we went there and this is cool fucking wild cat that hangs out there But he's like domesticated like he comes up to you and rubs up again She only like what's up little buddy and that cat just kills everything all he does is I mean he's I don't think anybody feeds him I think he just wanders around that ranch killing everything he needs to eat that's that's a great life It's a great life for him. He's so happy. Like that cat, because he loves people, like he's not a wild cat in a sense that he's not domesticated. Because he does come right up to you and rubs up against you. And you pat him and he rubs over. You can rub his belly. He's not worried about people at all. Everybody treats him really nice. So he's just a little murderer. Just run it around eating rats and mice and fucking birds. [01:01:08] I've got a whole new respect for him, like reading that. I had no context to the billions of animals that are the small rodents and shit that they're murdering every year. That's amazing. It is amazing, but it's also kind of crazy that they also seem content to just chill in an apartment. Cats don't seem to have a problem being an apartment. I went out to Ryan Holiday's bookstore yesterday and I just cruised around in there because it's not just like 20 minutes outside of town and he's got two cats cruising around in there. Just like hanging out in the bookstore and laying on boxes and running around. It's like that's fucking cool Man, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, look I love cats. It's just like my kids are alerted to them It's a real problem. Yeah, yeah, and my wife's alerted to him too But I prefer dogs, but my dog is my dog is an amazing dog, but he's dumb as shit too [01:02:03] Well, that's the goal got him back from the hospital. I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie. So you can see these pictures. I just got him back. So we came home the other night and Marshall had eaten chicken food that was outside on gravel. But he didn't bother to differentiate between the gravel and the chicken food. So he ate about two pounds of gravel. Yeah, I'm not exaggerating to his pounds of it was pounds of gravel There was so much gravel that he ate that he threw up that that's a pile of gravel that he threw up That's one of seven piles of gravel show the other picture that I was saying that's my foot for reference I just sent you another one. That one. So that we found out that's all gravel that he threw up. So that's a once he threw up like six times in the house and then the seventh time it looks [01:03:00] like he threw up several different times there. So I took him to the emergency vet and they do an x-ray and he still has gravel in his stomach and gravel in his colon. And they're not as concerned about the gravel in his colon, but they were concerned about the gravel in his stomach. So I had to take him to a hospital where he stayed overnight for two days and they gave him liquid therapy. They put an IV to him and they monitored him and they made sure that he was okay. And he eventually shit out all the gravel and they didn't have to do surgery, but there was a concern that there could be an obstruction. But they finally let him out today and he's fine. But like, that's the kind of shit you have to do if you have pets. That's the A gravel, yeah, it's the Plans of gravel. My golden's name is potato and I rebranded him because his first name was Maximus and we were driving down the road one day It was like this this dog needs a naming rebrand because his fucking brain is like a potato and then that was it His name is potato does he have his balls? Yeah, he was a we adopted him. He was like two years old when we got him. I've got a golden doodle on a golden. [01:04:08] So they're just ones beans, ones potato. The other ones, doctor beans. The doctor beans. I've met doctor beans. Doctor beans is the best. He's like, is the gold dog? Yeah, he's the chillest of the chill. I'm not like a cat hater, but I absolutely prefer dogs. There's a thing, I have a relationship with my dog. He's like my friend. Yeah. Like I come home, I could talk to him. He listens to me, he kind of knows what I'm saying. You know, like there's little things that we do. Like you want to get the ball? He just pops up, I'm like, that's what I can go. These videos of me with him with the ball. I've never been more excited in my life about anything, maybe other than Elk hunting. Right. This dog is fucking bouncing around. He's going, and every day I'm like, is he going to be bored? We can do this ball for him. Yeah, every day is we. There's not a fucking day where he's bored. He's like, the ball's out. Holy shit, we're going to do same way. You're like, fuck yeah. [01:05:06] No, the thing is, with elk hunting, the only way it's real exciting is if it's hard. Yeah. That's what was so exciting about that hunt that you watched from a distance was like, I had to like creep in on this fucking dude and hope the wind didn't shift. I had to creep in on this dude and hope that he didn't catch me moving. I had to hope that there was a window where I could draw, where he wasn't going to be, once he gets up, what if he's getting up facing me and I can't draw? And I'm trying to figure out when do I draw? There's a lot going on. I don't know, I know I ranged him at 50, but I took two steps. What is this right here? Is he at 48? Is 48 is it 47 like where do I aim? There's so much going on that that's what when it's successful That's what's so exciting that it's hard to do yeah the balls fucking he knows that ball time and every day Yeah, he's so excited It's like instant gratification like the ball of common did woo-hoo. Did you shoot that bow yesterday? Yes [01:06:00] So what's the difference it's smoother? It's better. Yeah, they made a few significant changes. There's a new Hoyt bow that just came out. What do they call it? See if you can find it. The key pamper in addition. These are the VXM33. Did you go up? Are you still at 80 or did you go up? I have two bows. I have an 80 and then 90. Okay. Yeah. So ones at a 81 or 82 and the other ones at 90. Can you feel the difference? Yeah, you feel when you pull them back. What about an accuracy? Well, they're both super, super accurate. The thing is you just can't shoot as many arrows in a day with a 90 pound bow. I've figured that out a long time, which is why I got it 80. I have a 60 at the studio, which is like a kid's bow. It's amazing. You draw it back, it's just like so easy. And I just do that, use that one for practicing, for warming. And because it's just nice to have a boat at the studio. And then there's the 80 that I shot Elon Musk's cyber truck with, like they just happen to be laying around here. That thing just bounced right off of it. [01:07:01] That was actually one of the fucking coolest videos. Pretty cool. Let me shoot his truck with a bow. He's like, oh, yeah, you want to go shoot it? Let's shoot it. Yeah. Okay. So it's got a little scratch on it now forever. Um, the tiniest scratch too. Right. And it's not fucking heavy-ass arrow from an 80 pound bow and it didn't do shit to that door. It blew it up in the arrow. But the new hoids, they, one of the things about bows for people who don't know, unlike firearms, which are essentially like if you have a, like a SIG P365, that's what that gun is. Like if you got that gun five years ago, like they made a comp version of the 365, so they put competition in the barrel. Just makes a little better, a little easier to shoot. That's the, but they make essentially the same kind of gun with small improvements for years and years. Like if you buy a five year old gun, it's still a top of the line gun, right? Boes somehow or another, they through engineering and these fucking wizards, [01:08:03] they make them better incrementally every year. They really do. Like I noticed the difference between last year's bow and the year before, like the moment I shot, I was like, wow, this is smoother. And one day, just for the fuck of it, I picked up the previous year's bow. And I was noticing a difference. I was like, oh, this doesn't feel as good. The draw cycles know not as good, the release doesn't feel as smooth, but it was better than the year before. And so last year's bow is like, this is how they're gonna top this. This bow is amazing. It's so accurate, it's so smooth. Boom, they did it, they topped it. They keep making them better. They're more efficient, they're more dead in the hand. This bow feels like nothing when it goes. Nothing. It goes off. There's like zero vibration. It's incredible. Whatever they're doing in terms of like this is a particular design of their riser that the vibration, even if it goes through the bow on the shot, [01:09:01] almost none of it is going through your hand. It's incredibly like dead in the hand, which leads you to be more accurate. There's everything is about accuracy and efficiency and smoothness and comfort. Have you transitioned over to that stand clicker yet? Have you tried that thing? I do like that, but I keep going back to the knock to it because the thing about the stand clicker is this this is nerd dog. Yes. It's a it's a it makes your draw length one quarter inch longer because it's one quarter inch longer than the head of the knock to it, which I'm so accustomed to. Yeah. So all my anchor points are slightly different. So with the stand the string is just like quarter inch further forward. And there's something about that that maybe I have to get used to. Maybe if I pull harder on the wall, I maintain the same stability or maybe if I extend my arm out a little bit more, I maintain the same stability. I'd have to transition and try it because I've been using Dudley's archery releases for so long, like between the two smooth, the hands which I really like and then his other [01:10:04] one, the knock to it, which is the thumb button that I really like. I'm just so used to those. I'm just, I keep going back. Like I've tried, you know, stand clicker, the stand, non-clicker, I think it's the T. I've had the hinge, I've had a bunch of these, and I keep coming back. I'm the most accurate hands down with the noctua. I think it's just because I've got so many reps, it feels so natural. And now that I've got that thing dialed to like super hot. Hot sauce. Yeah, hot sauce. It's you breathe on it wrong and it goes off. Do you gotta be careful with those? You gotta always check them because I've had it when those are really hot with Carter releases. Well, they'll go off just based on the intention that's on the string because my opponent's so much weight. So I always, wherever I like it, I can't get a little bit stiffer now. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. I wanted to say I could put my thumb on it and know that the slightest amount of back pressure [01:11:03] that motherfucker's going off. Just the slightest amount of back pressure that motherfucker's going off just a slightest amount so when I get that Then I go to my shot process. I don't have any concerns about it going off It's just everything's there Let's fucking go and it's off and I feel like that to me is the most accurate and There's a lot of different schools a lot of people like it very heavy and what they do is they hook the button In here in the crook of their thumb and then they pinch their finger around it and they can get a good grip And then they're just all pulling with their back muscles and that makes it go off And you can do that too But that's I think that's because they want an absolute surprise shot Because they're concerned they're gonna punch the trigger in that moment. But I think the real thing is about controlling that moment. The real thing is about staying cool in that moment. And that's the hardest part of it. And I think the less anxiety you have about your release, the better. I know that motherfuckers going off if I wanted to. [01:12:01] But I also know how to do the shot process correctly. So that's my little, what have I, I've learned is I like it hot. Yeah. I like that bitch hot. Yeah. That, that's where I'm at because I had mine said way too tight and I would be, you know, essentially be pulling and pressing on the release slow, like looking at it kind of like a firearm trigger, saying slow pressure, build the pressure straight back, like no deviation, and I'd go through this entire shot process from the rifle that I was incorporating into the bow, but I'm taking too much time on the back end, really building in to my thumb release versus when you're ready, and everything's dialed. You know, you've, you've, you've got your ring overlap, your level's good, everything's set. It's time to go. It's time to go. You can't be building to the shot. That's hot sauce. It's like, that is the way to go. [01:13:01] Yeah, the way to go is hot sauce with a good shot process, but you have to have a controlled shot process. Like in my mind, I have like a whole process that Joel Turner process that I put myself through. So it's all, it's really just all about not hammering the trigger over anxiety. It's really all just about staying calm and letting it happen and knowing exactly what you're doing. You concentrate on breathing through your nose and trying to get more oxygen as you're going through the thought process or do you just open your mouth? I concentrate on breathing through my nose when I'm calming myself down as I'm moving towards the shell. Like when in that particular moment, like my heart was pounding as if I was closing the gap because I was like, I think I'm gonna get this motherfucker. And it was, it's exciting. Like stalking on a bedded elk is very exciting. You know, because that's, you gotta get, I was trying, I had to get within 50 yards because there was a log in front of them. There was just like this, this down tree. And the only gap was, I had to go up, up above him in 50 yards. And when I'm doing this as I'm like creeping in there, there's so much [01:14:05] anticipation that your heart's just fucking pounding. And that's what I'm doing the breathing exercises. But once I get there, I'm telling myself that I'm calm. Once I'm there, I'm like, I'm not allowing myself to get ramped up again. Once I'm in position. So once I'm in position, it's just task oriented. It's just that I'm just completely locked in on his vitals in my shot process. That's all I'm thinking about. And what I like about hot sauce is when I get to that spot and I'm a full draw. There's no other things to think about. I got that pin on his vitals. My bubbles leveled. Everything feels good. Pop-ho! Wack, you know, and then you couldn't have fun. Then you can go back to just being a normal human. But in that moment, for me, I have to be task-oriented. If I'm thinking about it, I'm not thinking, I hope I don't mess, I'm not, no, that's shit, I'm not letting any of that in. [01:15:02] All I'm thinking is task. I'm I have a task very clear task And this is a this is a mouth. There's gonna be weird decisions that I'm gonna have to make because who knows what he's gonna do And he gets up is he gonna go left? Is he gonna go right? But if that asshole steps behind the tree now I'm fucked again. I have no shot if he just stepped and went left Which they do all the time now I'm behind that log again. I'm fucked Do you have any anxiety or that same type of build where your heart starts to increase is you're stepping on stage, any stage? No, no, you have none of that. No, I had that in the beginning. Yeah, in the beginning there was a full panic. But no, you have zero now. No, now it's just exciting. But you're like, yeah, you have zero now. Now it's just exciting. Now it's like, now I have a whole thing I do where I get myself ramped up, I jump around, I stretch before I go, I'm going to the word. I occasionally have a little cocktail, but the whole idea is just get loose, get loose, which is the best thing about comedy as you're doing with a bunch of other people that [01:16:03] are doing comedy. It's almost like you're all going on stalks together. So we're all hanging out in the green room talking shit and we're all going on the same show. So we're having fun and it's like everybody's lively. So you think you just don't wanna go on stage cold. You would never wanna go on stage and you would never wanna wake up. I could alarm clock, BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM Get up ladies and gentlemen, Evan, hey for it. And you said he'd be like, it would be terrible. It would take a while for you to warm up. It would take a while for you to get into the groove. You know, so you gotta be at entertainment groove as you step on stage. So there's like anticipation, but there's nothing like the anxiety of elk hunting. Nothing's even close. It has that strange effect because I don't get hardly any anxiety ever for anything, really, unless I'm in a car rack or something, where I'm not trying to do that. But elk hunting for some reason, [01:17:02] you get in front of this animal. You get ramped up. And you get ramped up. And you're, I'm always talking to myself like, what the fuck? Like it's not like the swords on this thing's head are gonna come after you. Like why are you doing this? Like why is your body doing what it's doing right now? So I have to have this whole process of like calm myself down, breathe through my nose. And then once I get into the shot, it's fine. But building into that shot for some reason, you start going, I need to wear a heart monitor and just watch to see how high that thing gets as you're moving in on a stock on the end. Because as you're building into that moment, there's that time before you can settle into that position where you're questioning like, why am I so ramped up right now? You don't exactly know why. So then you have to dial everything back, [01:18:00] pull everything back into perspective, focus on what you're doing. And then once you have a task, and the task is there, then it seems to just settle down and get right back into the moment. Yeah, once you have the task, once it's in front of you, it's moving into position. But sometimes I can stop it. When I was in Utah, we were on this one ridge, and on this other ridge was this big bull that was running these cows. He was the king of the mountain. You could see by his body, this is an old bull. And he's running these cows, but he's way over. He's like, you gotta go down and all the way up. He's way too far for us to end the way we're out in the open. There's no way you're gonna plan a stalk on this bull in the position that he's at, especially with the way the thermals are all going up. So we start moving down this canyon and as we move down this canyon, the bull just randomly decides to run his cows down into the bottom and realizing, oh shit, this can happen. [01:19:02] And so as that's happening, I stop myself from getting ramped up, completely stopped it. I just recognized it was possibly coming because he's, I see him making his way down this ridge and he's going right to where we're going and we know that there's a pond down there. So if the pond is where he's going, he's going to go to get a drink and he's going to come right down through this bottom and that's where he's going, he's gonna go to get a drink and he's gonna come right down through this bottom. And that's where he's gonna be at. And I stayed calm the entire time. I never let myself ramp up. I never got ramped up. I mean, I was probably above normal heart rate, but I was pretty fucking calm. And then he came right out to 62 yards. It was perfect. He was right out there. It was perfect. Everything went drew back, whacked them, watched them go 30 yards and pile up. And it was watching the whole thing play. And at the end of it, then I was like, that was pretty calm. I say pretty calm in that one. Like for whatever reason, I stopped it as it was happening. Yeah, I would imagine the more reps you get in. [01:20:03] Yeah, but the next one was like a month later. I was super ramped up. Because I think it was the stock part of it. The creeping in is like more sneaky than anything. This was like an ambush. Right, right. There's something about creeping in on them. Yeah, there's the momentum, right? You're letting the drama build to this point. Yeah. Okay, we know what's gonna happen. Yeah, do you think did have you talked about this with cam is cam Does he still get ramped up at all? He's pretty calm He's resting his resting heart rate has to be like three I think that certainly helps I think the amount of cardio that you do has an effect on how you can maintain your heart rate. It just must. It has to. And if someone has a low resting heart rate, I would just imagine that they have more control on bringing their heart down. It just makes sense. Totally makes sense. And he's just, he's done it so much, man. Yeah. He's like, he's a killer. He knows how to stay calm under pressure. [01:21:07] And there was like one yard kills. That one, big hat. Oh my God, those insane. That was crazy. Dude, one yard, like a yard and a half or whatever it was from that thing. It was as far as you were out of me. And that's nuts. Nuts. Like that guy That guy went out and did his podcast a couple months ago. We had so much fun. He's such a fantastic human. Very infrequently do you just bump into people? You're like that guy's salty to the earth. He's exactly like he's reached and then he's gone way above expectation as far as the type of person he is. Like he's awesome. Yeah, he's an amazing person. So this dude named Schaefer, he made a rap song about Cam. We played it on the podcast the other day. It's number eight in the hip hop charts now. Seriously? In the all around hip hop charts. [01:22:01] And it was number, no, I think it's number six now. And it was number like. I think it's number six now and it was number like 90 in all songs It's a rap song about a bow hunter and it's number six in the hip-hop charts. Yeah Because that makes sense. Yeah, just because we talked about it. It's the bonkers It's a good song though guys good kids fucking talented all have to check it out Yeah, but it's just nuts. I have to piss so bad. Let's piss will come back all right. Yeah, it's all random shit how is the Carnivore guy it was great. Yeah, he was great. He's still alive crazy. Yeah guys eating only meat seven years Wild Guys eating only meat seven years. Fucking wild. It's wild. It's thriving. Is that, are you still doing only meat? Yeah, I cheat every now and then. Saturday night I cheated. I had sushi. But sushi was great, but I fell like shit afterwards. I fell like ate a brick. I never feel like that if I just see. Yeah, it's just right. I ate a lot though. I over ate. I overordered and they were really nice and I felt obligated to keep eating. Thanksgiving, you don't do potatoes, nothing like that. [01:23:07] I did this Thanksgiving. But most other days like today for breakfast I had elk sausage, eggs, and bacon. That's a normal breakfast for me. Yeah, I don't know. I steer clear of I think I just just meet vegetables in limited amount of fruit. Because I still like vegetables. Like that's the problem with. Yeah, I like vegetables. I like bok choy. Yeah. Yeah, I like squash. We had some sweet potatoes the other night. They were great. But I've completely cut out everything else. Like I don't drink hardly at all. Like very, very limited. Everything is gone. Like no bread's no rice. That's good. If you can do that you'll feel better Oh, yeah, it sounds nuts But the way he described it you know, and the studies that he shows There's enough evidence the point to that at least for some people. That's very beneficial what I eat and live [01:24:04] But I think really what it is is this thing of eating only meat. Most, I think for sure meat's very nutritious, but I think a big factor in that is that you're just cutting out all the crap. And if you just eat only meat and organic vegetables, I don't think that's bad. I don't buy it. I don't buy that salads are bad for you. I think that's crazy. What, and it's good. It tastes good. Tastes good. I think what's bad is the shit they spray on them. For sure. Glyphosate is bad. Seed oils are bad. There's no one's out there saying seed oils. Industrialized seed oils are good for you. They're not, but olive oil and balsamic vinaigrette on a nice salad. I don't think that's bad. Some heirloom tomatoes, some onions, some olives, you know? No, my wife did like a whole gardening thing this year. Ooh, that's nice. We so we had this giant garden with, you know, heirloom tomatoes and a bunch of stuff. [01:25:01] It was amazing. It was awesome. Dude, when you get an heirloom tomato, right off the line, slice that bad boy up, a little salt on it, a little balsamic vinaigrette. Chop up some avocados. Oh yeah. It's amazing. Amazing. Is there anything that's worse for the environment than avocados? It's like avocados and almonds. I think almonds. Yeah, it's like 10 gallons of water for one almond. It's easy people like shovel it down. You're like, oh, there's where all California's water goes right there. Oh, but I was reading this thing recently, but I think the discovery was from 2021 about a new very inexpensive method of desalination. Is that I say it? Salination? I know what you mean. Yeah. Is that I say it? Salination? I know what you mean. Yeah. How do you say that? How do you say the word? Yeah. But anyway, removing salt from water so that you could use ocean water. But that they were going to be able to have them available in like a home size version. It's like not even that big, like a suitcase size, I think it is. [01:26:03] Really? Yeah, and it can literally desalinate the water that comes from the ocean and you can turn into drinking water. That's like a game changer. Game changer. Yeah. But this is what I've always said, like I used to have a bit about people wanting to go to Mars. And, you know, like, you know, America has a, we have a water problem. I go, we're right next to the fucking ocean. The last thing we have in California is a water problem. We have a salt problem. There's so much fucking water. You could, it could eat us up. It could literally devour the entire state with one giant waving and we could be living on the beach in Arizona. Like this fucking thing moves all the time. There's so much water. We know the water problem. No. Everything moves all the time. There's so much water. We know the water problem. It's a salt problem. Yeah, I think the Israelis have actually figured that out. They have like full plants that they're out there doing. I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie, because I saved, I think I screen-shot it with the intention of looking it up later [01:27:00] to make sure it's legitimate. But I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah, how much, how much stuff do you typically, when you're thinking about how many episodes have you done now? 2000, something. 2000? Yeah, and then a bunch of fight companions and then a bunch of MMA shows. So it's more than 2000. When you think about all the different pieces of information that you've cataloged in your head with all these different interviews, I can't imagine the information that you've put out to just in terabytes as far as the volume is concerned. Now you've got interviews with Elon from Jordan from all these different people. That's so much information. How much do you think that you've been able to just store in your head? Not so much. De-Sale and Asian system could produce fresh water that is cheaper than tap water. MIT engineers and collaborators develop a solar powered device [01:28:01] that avoids salt clogging issues of other designs. This is from September 27th, 2023. So this, I wanna know why I thought it was earlier than that. I found this very similar titled article from a year ago. Okay, and even 2021 too. Okay, that's probably where it's all it. So engineers at MIT and in China are aiming to turn sea water into drinking water with a completely passive device that is inspired by the ocean and then powered by the sun. That's fucking amazing. This is where science is incredible. The configuration of the device allows water to circulate and swirling eddies in a manner similar to much larger thermo-halene circulation of the ocean. This circulation combined with the sun's heat drives water to evaporate, leaving the salt behind. The resulting water vapor could then be condensed and collected as pure, drinkable water. In the meantime, the leftover salt continues to circulate through and out of the device rather than accumulating and clogging the system. That's amazing. And then also, couldn't [01:29:00] you just recapture the salt and use it? Seems like it. Produces about four to six liters of drinking water per hour and lasts several years before requiring replacement parts. One of the things that Gary Breco was saying that I found shocking was that some Himalayan salt, like you always think of Himalayan salt like super healthy, he said, no, some of it has mercury in it because some of it, the way they mine it, like if they get too close to like certain areas that contain mercury, it can be contaminated with mercury. And he was recommending Celtic salt over Himalayan salt. See if we can find any article from that. Interesting. So you can actually get Celtic salt. Yeah, Celtic salt. I don't know. I don't know. I guess you just, or you gotta hope they're telling the truth. Right. One thing I found out through this lady that was a beekeeper that came on here, she goes, a lot of the honey you buy is bullshit. Like when people are buying honey, they're buying like corn syrup. They think they're buying honey. It's like some does, he's a beekeeper, so I've been out there like helping him with the bees. [01:30:07] Oh, it's saying Celtic sea salt and Himalayan sea salt can expose your children to too much lead mercury and other heavy metals. Whoa, so Celtic salt can have it too. So none detected, so it looks like what's the best salt? So Celtic gray sea salt, it seems like it has a lot of this lead. This is a lot of lead. It's a lot of lead. Mediterranean sea salt. So the what has the least lead seems like is really sea salt of course it does. I don't know if you've ever had else in the whole world. I don't know who made this test. Right. Did the Israel times put this out? There is mercury though. No pink salt does not contain mercury. Hmm. Unrefined sea salt. There is... So it's controversial. Minerals in it, but also other minerals in it. Well, who's saying it doesn't include mercury? Where's it say no? You said no. Sea salt does not... [01:31:02] It said pink salt. It didn't say to sea salt. It says specifically pink salt. No sea salt does not. It said pink salt, it didn't say sea salt. It says specifically pink salt. No, pink salt does not contain mercury. Okay, but some can. But is that people that are selling it? Yes, it's from Nepal. Okay, maybe from Nepal it doesn't contain mercury. What they were saying, I think would Gary Brecker was saying with some of this from China, that contains mercury. Well, that's not Himalayan, that is it. Well, I guess it technically. Oh, no, you know, I don't know. I mean, when I'm buying salt, I'm not really looking into it. You know what's really fucking good? What is that? There's this veteran owned company. Is it firecracker? Firecracker. Yeah. Dude, that stuff's legit. That stuff's legit. If, here's something that you can do, which is you put a little bit of that in your coffee. Oh, I thought you'd do it. It's good. It is good. I bet it'd be good in bone broth. Oh my gosh, man, that stuff, like hard boiled eggs, game, game, game, changer on hard boiled eggs. I'll make the other day I had some people over and I was like, just, this is the right [01:32:00] here. Firecracker farm. I love this guy. Super legit. Yeah. And tastes good too. It's amazing. Yeah. Sausage come with all the sauce, right? And this, this sounds like a straight up commercial. It's not. I love this guy and I love his product. It's awesome. So you know the dude who's running this company. Yeah, we DM each other back and forth all the time. Oh, that's cool. And he sent me Mike Glover and Andy, a bunch of this stuff. And most of the time I'm like, man. I think I found out about it from Eddie Gallagher. Oh yeah, Eddie loves it too. It's legit. It's very legit. It's hot as shit. I put something, when I got it, I cranked it, I put it in my hand and licked it Whoa, daddy. My daughter had some kids over, and they were messing around in the kitchen, and they got some of their fucking eyes. Oh my gosh. You know what's shocking legit? This stuff. Wicked cuts, Carolina killer, beef jerky. Is that hot? Oh my gosh, it hot. It's like hot sauce. Like fucking Carolina Reaper hot. [01:33:00] Okay. Like uncomfortable hot. It's like damn, because you think like a big company like Wicked Cuts, they're not gonna fuck you up. They're gonna give you, let's do a little hot. It's like if you get one of them, what is it Burger King has a spicy wapper, like a ghost wapper? Sure you do. You're not fucking anybody up with that wapper. This stuff will fuck you up. Really? Oh it'll fuck you up. It's legit. It's good too, it's moist. I hope it's not like preservatives and make it moist like that. Right. You know, you always wonder because like whenever I get jerky from like the butcher, like I'll have some of my elk turned into jerky, it's not the most moist. No. It's dry. It's tough. It's, but it's good. It's delicious. It's good for your jaw muscles. Yeah. Like, I started using one of those stupid jaw muscle things. I have one of those jaw exercises. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All the time. I used a while I'm doing, I actually learned this from this guy that I've fallen Instagram, shout out to Bill Maeda. He, he does it while he does neck exercises. I I'm like, oh, that's legit. Put one in your mouth while you're doing the iron neck. [01:34:05] It's legit, right? Spicy is fuck, right? Yeah, like shockingly. Shockingly hot. Like, yo, you're not playing. That's legit. Woo. Like, I love your hot sauce, man. Senior Lichuga, half face blades. They do a combo with senior Lichuga. And they put out this, it's like, it's got dried tomatoes, sun dried tomatoes, I forget what the hot is, but it's also got truffles. It's fucking so good and it's got like real, senior Lechuga is so we did three we put together three different sauces that I love that are like a collection and one of them is the half-face blades version. So half-face blades by the way awesome company to make fucking amazing knives and he's actually making me a set of [01:35:00] chef knives and a couple other knives with the antler shed from the big bowl that I killed with you two years ago. Okay, yeah, yeah. So we got a shed from that bowl and he's making knife handles. Yeah, I got some out of my moose that I killed with Dudley a few years ago. And it was a dink. It was like a tiny little bowl moose. But delicious nonetheless. And I got a bunch little bowl of mousse. But delicious nonetheless. And I got a bunch of chef knives from him. Oh, that's so cool. It was so cool. And they're, you know, it's ceremonial, right? You pull it on off the rack, you're cutting it into the steaks or the mousse meat or whatever it is that you're eating. It's phenomenal. It's an animal. Yeah, you harvested. Everybody loves them. They're like, these are fucking awesome. Yeah, that's killer. Yeah, stuff like that's killer. So what point was senior Lechuga hot sauce? That's another one. If you like it hot, but taste senior Lechuga will fuck you up. That's the fuck you up, right? Dude, I ate a whole bag of it. And I was playing pool and my stomach was hurting. I was like, oh boy. I was like, this is rough. [01:36:06] Yeah. That's no joke. Yeah, like that is no joke. Yeah, like surprisingly for a big company to put out a beef turkey that's that spicy. Woo! So what's next? What's going on? Like from a context of like, what do you, you just opened up your club? What's going on? Like from a context of like what do you you just opened up your club? What's the next big thing? Are you going on tour? I don't know. I'm thinking about starting to turn again I think right now I'm just having fun and you know now that hunting seasons over I can chill I'm getting back into Jiu Jitsu. I want to do that soon and then Just fucking enjoying my time. Yeah, that's it. I think we were talking about this in California. Did you build this here like as part of like getting reps in just getting rep at the rep? Yeah. Well, I built it because there wasn't a home base here. Right. You know, when all these comics came out with me, when we moved out and we found out that we could perform in Austin [01:37:03] and for comedians like performing is like a drug So you can't perform like LA shut everything down for so long and then the grapevine got out that like from November 2020 we were doing shows here totally responsibly indoors and They were like what they're doing comedy indoors in Austin. This is crazy the pack shows and put them up on Instagram people like what the fuck? this is nuts. And so many comics are moving here and then I realized what we missed about LA, we missed about the comedy store was that was home base and that you need like comedians need a community. You need like a home club. You need where a bunch of comics hang out, you fuel each other, everybody inspires each other. You know when you're see these guys like Brian Simpson going up and murder and he's doing all this new material and Shane Gillis is going up and murder and Tony Hinchcliffe is going up and murder. There's like a feeling in the building. Like there's an excitement to the building and that's what I wanted to create here. I wanted to create a real home for these comics [01:38:01] and I also wanted to create a real development platform. I think that's a key part of comedy clubs that's missing from these places that just want to make money because you could take your Sunday and Monday and just bring in headliners and pack the house and make a lot of money or you can do open mic nights and develop talent and have these people have a real opportunity to get up at the best comedy club on earth for the very first time ever and Go up and do a couple of minutes of jokes and see if you can get a laugh and you never know You might be good. You might have it in you You might be that fuck up in school that they always told you you're gonna be a loser But you have a funny way of saying things and you go up And maybe you have some insight that other people maybe they would be too scared to say or maybe they would notice it or maybe you'd point something out you never fucking know and the only way you get to develop talent is if you have some sort of a place for people to perform that aren't any good that are just starting out so we set aside two nights for that every Sunday and [01:39:01] every Monday we have open-mic night And we also have people that work there are aspiring comedians. So all the door people, they all had to audition with their act. So the town coordinator, Adam, had to go and watch them perform. And there was this giant audition for door people, for people to get jobs at the club. So there's this feeling in the club like everybody's coming up. Everybody's coming up together. When everybody's doing good, Esan who's just fucking amazing dude and hilarious comedian who's at the club all the time, he said whenever something happens with the door people or anybody else in the club, everybody always says we up, we up. I'm like that's amazing, that's amazing. Something cool happens, we up, we up. I'm like, that's amazing. That's amazing. Something cool happens, we up, we up, and they'll yell it. Like, it's great. So that environment, that's what I wanted to create. That was the goal, but it's way better than I thought it could be. It's like, I had an idea. [01:40:02] I was like, let's just do it the best we can. And turns out, you got some spot on my money. You can throw it a problem. You can make it really good. And have it set up where the comedians get paid really well. And everybody gets taken care of. And you feel really good about it. And it's a fun place to work. And it's a good environment for everybody. That's what I wanted. So that's what we put together. It almost seems like the center of gravity from comedy is moved off the coast to Austin. And I think, and I'm probably not the first person to say that, but you're the guy that is going to move the epicenter of comedy over here. I would like to give them a spot. I created a spot. I mean, it was me because I financed it and it was my idea. But it was also we all need a spot and if one of us can do it and put it together, I'm a good person to do that. Because that's what I like to do. I like to help people. I like to blow people up. I really do. I love to have people on that I think are talented and let the world know about them and I like to I when I talk about things whether it's you know on my Instagram or on the podcast [01:41:11] 99% of the time I have no affiliation with those things. I just think these are good things Right people should see these good things. I don't think oh I should get a piece without it I just think these are good things these good things should make more money this this business should be bigger This comedian should be more popular. This musician should be known. People should read this book. These are good things. Just put good things out as much as you can. And so that was my idea with this comedy club. Just get great comics, pay them well, and have a place where people can go, where they know that they're gonna be able to work on their act. Everyone's phones locked up so that people aren't distracted and they're not filming things and just having a good fucking time. Enjoying this. Just let's just work together and fucking all get better together and have a real home base. And I had the ability to do it. And so I said, it's kind of my obligation to do it. [01:42:01] Like the universe put me in this place where all of a sudden I moved out of L.A. All of a sudden I'm in Texas and all these other comedians come out here with me. And I'm like, who's going to do it if I'm not doing it? I have to do it. So we just went and did it. And with a fucking grab of Ron White grabbed me by my shoulders when he got off stage. The first time he got on stage was he hadn't done stand up in like over a year I think it was or close to it and he grabs me by my shoulders Whatever the fuck we got to do You're gonna open up that club. We're gonna do this Like he hadn't done stand up in so long and he was so cheap fucking murdered and he went on stage And it was his giant standing ovation. It was insane. I Wish we filmed it because it was such a beautiful moment It was his first time doing stand-up forever. And he was kind of genuinely concerned about it. He listened to his material, he went over his notes, he worked on it all fucking day. And so he went up that night, he was just on it, just on it. And so, you know, Ron White is like, he's a good friend, [01:43:02] but he's also kind of a hero, like to me, like in comedy. He's a good friend, but he's also kind of a hero. Like to me, like in comedy, he's like, he's a legend. So we have Ron White here? Of course, what do you want to do? I'll buy a club. I like let's do it. And so that's, this was the second place I bought. I told you about the first place, I was owned by a cult. He told me to buy that place too. He did? Yes. You should buy that place owned by the cult. Fucking beautiful theater. It was on the UK's road. Fucking gorgeous theater. Home by a cult. Boy, then I watched the cult document and I'm like, oh, fucking no. What is this? What happened here? There's so much bad juju going on in that building so many bad vibes so many people lost their lives Like literally lost their lives forever in that building That's fucking wild. It's wild. Yeah, it's still a theater. I think they still do shows there God they built that theater for that dude to dance in front of his followers [01:44:03] That's like a whole other that's a whole other segway. How crazy cult leaders are and what type of personality that person is and what happens to people. I love this mockumentaries that a few people have done around cult leaders. I think there's a series on Netflix that went into a three-part episode. How to be a cult leader, it's called. Yeah, it's fucking hilarious. Well, it's just like you were talking about before, about 15% of the people have an IQ lower than 85. And some people just want to be led. There's a bunch of people, a bunch who are really lost and never develop the tools to be personally responsible for themselves. They never develop the ability to be autonomous. They never develop the ability to have their own thoughts and the objective analysis of all the information [01:45:00] and coming up with a rational conclusion. They don't have people around them that they get mouse these ideas off, that they respect, that they can go, what about this and that person go, yeah, but you have to also consider this, and you're like, yeah, you do, right? Hmm, okay. So what is really going on? Like they don't have that in their life. And so some fucking dude comes along and he's it feels Better than being by yourself and you're hanging out with all these people and everyone's cooking together and you're doing yoga together Seems good seems great. It seems like a good time like that wild wild country. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, me and my friend Todd were talking about this once and he's he's real sweet guy He's a funny guy. But he was like, in the beginning, he was like, God, I want to live like that. He goes, it all goes bad at the end. But in the beginning, I'm like, God, I want to live like that. I kind of want to live like that too. Everybody wants to be a part of something bigger than them. And especially if it's like a cool community where everybody's nice to each other and you're all connected to God and you're all part of this movement [01:46:07] of spreading love and hope throughout the world. Seems great in the beginning. Yeah, it seems like Utopic. Yeah, they're a drug. I think people have this natural inclination to look towards a leader. So it's like looking towards an alpha-champ in a pack or the leader of a tribe is a natural inclination to look to someone who gets it and If your brains are like good someone can come along and fucking throw Scientology in your face You're like I like it. I like it. What do I get my own planet when I die? You can vent them if you fucking sell it if you're especially if you're successful You can get in Vansom. You can fucking sell it. If you're, especially if you're successful, like if you're running like a giant church, and like clearly you must know what you're doing, you just pulled up in a Rolls Royce. This guy knows what he's doing. He's a cult leader. He comes out, people are like open the door farm, they're calling them the beloved. You know, he must be legit. Maybe I found the real guy Yeah, I really guys attached to God energy. How do you think about that from a leadership perspective? [01:47:09] You know, you've had a ton of guys on, but you find yourself as a leader. You find yourself as a voice. Like, is that come natural? Is that something that you're doing? I just do my best to be like the best version of me that I can be. And if that also, if part of that is talking about the things that I've learned, then I do that. But there's no part of me that says, like, I need to be a leader. There's no, I don't, I think you could really fuck your head up if you start believing that. And I think that's where the cult starts. That's where the cult started, guys, I'm a leader. I need to teach these people. They need to follow my ways. Like, probably not. Maybe you need a leader too. Maybe everybody needs to work together. Maybe that's a better option. I think the whole leader thing is like, there might be people that you admire, [01:48:01] or you see them as someone who is a great example of how to live life, whether it's Jaco, or many of these people that put that out there. Jaco's one of the best examples of it. He's written books about extreme ownership. And those are, there's valuable, valuable lessons and that kind of stuff. But I think even with guys like him, it comes natural. It is just like, he is just telling you what he learned. This is real. This is what you need to do. If you want to get ahead, you got to fucking take accountability for your own life. You got to you got to embrace your fuck ups, embrace your failures, figure out what you did wrong, regroup, get back after it. And those are super valuable lessons. And you can call him a leader because of those lessons, but really what he's leading is an example of an excellent life Right, and that is the best thing that we do for each other. We lead by example So you can see a guy who like I was hanging out with his friend of mine who's this very wealthy guy who owns all these businesses and one of Things that I was like super like inspired by is how nice he is to everyone. [01:49:05] To everyone, everyone he meets. He's super friendly and engaging and but genuine. Like I'm with him all the time. So I know if he's turning it on or turning off, it's never off. He's like genuinely, and he doesn't have any time for negativity. He doesn't use email, he doesn't fuck with social media, and he's a multibillionaire. Right. And he's just running his life with a smile in his face and genuinely engaging with people. Like, that guy's a leader, by example. Like, that's a beautiful way to live your life. If you can do that, you can be very successful but never turn into a tyrant, that's amazing. That's amazing. Because most people, they take the easy way and they turn into a tyrant. everybody around them's walking on eggshells That yell at people you always hear about that with talk show hosts and you always hear about that with like people that are leading a sitcom They just yell at everybody shut the fuck up unless I'm a honest star of this show like you know that kind of shit You always used to hear about that especially before the internet [01:50:00] Yeah, and I mean some of the best leadership examples that I've had in my life were guys that were bad toxic leaders Because you're like God, I do not want to be close to that guy. Yes, and you know, and I've had like the Just the I guess the fortunate opportunity To serve under some really incredible people and with amazing people that they just inspire you through action and with amazing people that they just inspire you through action. And like one of those guys, I've had a really close relationship over the last few years is Johnny Morris, the founder of Bass Pro. And he's that guy. Really? He's so humble. The founder of Bass Pro Shop? He is so humble. He is so nice. He is so genuine. We went out coming a few years ago. He called me and he's like, hey Evan you want to go out cutting? I was like, yeah, let's go. Like you don't say no to Johnny, right? You're not like right no like of course of course I'm gonna go and One of the guys he brought out one of the guys that plays in in his bar there in Branson, Missouri [01:51:01] And he shot an elk we were it. Johnny's out there tracking it. And he's like, hey guys, you guys want some water? Like, runs down and grabs everybody some water because we're putting in some miles. He's driving the truck with us and stuff. I mean, the guys, I don't know how many stores that he's opened. I don't know exactly what his individual wealth is, but he's humble. He's incredibly kind. and he's always there to offer an opportunity for somebody. We went out to one of his places in Arizona, just sat with me for a full day, just talking about brand. He's sitting on the couch in his slippers, we're going through brand and brand moments and how important those can be and how important it is for your customer The customer came up a thousand times Like how important this is and it's like those little pieces that I can pull away from Incredible leaders people that inspire me or whatever it is [01:52:02] It's not only the good people that you can find where they're authentically engaging with you, but it's also the flip side to that where you're like, this guy is incredibly successful and there's another person that's very toxic and they're not engaging people in an authentic way, I don't wanna be even close to those people. Not even close. It's like when people have alcoholic parents, you know, they're in and out of jail, always getting arrested, and those people wind up being super disciplined. Because they're like, fuck this. I'm not living my life like that. You know, I'm not, where cops are banging on the door through a clock in the morning to pull your dad out of bed. Right. There's a lot of people that live their life by the negative example. They go, I am never gonna live that life. I know a lot of people who don't drink at all, not because they have a drinking problem, but because someone in their family had a drinking problem. It's one of the reasons why I've never done Coke. I had a buddy of mine in high school and his cousin used to sell Coke and I watched his life fall part. And I remember thinking, oh my God, like this guy was fucking so normal and cool and now also needs like a vampire like hiding and just doing [01:53:06] Coke all the time like they would hide in this attic apartment and do coke him and his girlfriend they look pale and they're like oh my god you guys get bit by a vampire like the cocaine vampire came along and stole your life the cocaine vampire bro that that vampire steals people's lives I remember it from high school because it's not not like there's a lot of co-heads in my neighborhood, but there was enough people that did Coke where you watch the change in their personality where it just all became about getting Coke. They just wanted to get Coke. Like I imagine it's gotta be prevalent within like the media world and in LA. It's gotta be. Oh yeah. It's gotta in LA. It's gotta be oh yeah, it's gotta be everywhere It's gotta be everywhere in LA. I mean, I've had it offered to me a couple of times not a lot though, right? Not a lot. It's not like it's something that it's not like weed My god, how many times have people put a joint in front of me? Who fucking knows how many but not? [01:54:02] Coke is it's not I think Coke people know other Coke people They're you know they fucking know you got that vampire mark on you. They're looking at you going now This guy's way too fit. Yeah, but I know some healthy people that do Coke which is wild. I Know some jujitsu guys who do coke really yeah, yeah, there's people that just like the party You just enjoy it enough that they disregard or ignore the performance Negatives which are very real like if you're fucking ramping your system up with cocaine You expect to perform at your best and you're doing it all the time Well, there's no way even if you're really talented. You're taking a chunk out of your potential. 100% sure Yeah, I think that's where especially if you're in a combat sport, and definitely from my subculture of the people that I grew up with in the military, we're always concerned about brain injury, KBI. I think one of the most positive benefits that the veteran community specifically can do [01:55:02] is stop drinking. Just stop. Once you mix drugs and alcohol in an already compromised or could be compromised brain, you don't know what's going to happen. Right. And I know that it's one of those things that I've tried very hard to just eliminate out of my life because of that. I've lost too many friends to suicide specifically. And one in particular, it was my best friend to just about a year ago. And I guarantee it was because the mix of chemicals with a TBI, guarantee. TBI with fighters, one of the wild things is when you think a guy is punchy and then you have a couple of drinks with them. They get drunk so fast. Like obliterated so fast. Like you're pretty normal and they're gone and you're wondering like wow, wonder what if like that whole brain The whole punch drunk thing which people always used to call it punch drunk before they call it pugilistic a dementia [01:56:04] thing, which people always used to call it punch drunk, before they call it pugilistic dementia, but punch drunk, they are kind of drunk and then you give them alcohol and they get really fucked up. And there's a lot of people just walking around like that and also your endocrine system is disrupted. Your body's not producing dopamine or serotonin properly anymore because of the brain injuries. And so then you're looking for something to get you out of this fog of depression and a lot of them turn to drink it, which is crazy because it's a depressive. It's the same. It's very, very similar in the veteran community because guys will come out. They're redefining themselves trying to find purpose in their lives. They get depressed because they're dislocated from their tribe. The people they've been emotionally, physically, psychologically more connected to than sometimes their family and then they are dealing with overpressure and or they've been blown up guaranteed because even on internal breaches and explosives on targets [01:57:04] you're gonna be exposed to the overpressure from the explosives. You're going to have some type of impact on your brain. Like I would say guaranteed if you came out of the special operations community. And then they switch and I've seen it. There's too many examples for me to list but I've seen it directly impact in a negative way because they switch to alcohol, and then they find themselves in the bottom of a bottle, and it doesn't get better. Like, that doesn't improve their life in any way, shape or form. There's an interim band-aid for it. It might make you feel better for a sort of amount of time, but after a while, it puts you into a spiral. And I've seen it happen too many times to count. And it affects you. Like I mean, it directly affects me every day, where whether it's the war itself [01:58:01] or the post-effective war, I've talked about this a few times where it's like, Iraq is with me every day of my life, whether I like it or don't like it, I've just dealt with it. And now I'm just trying to do the best that I can to make sure that one, the machine is 100% capacity and two that I can be an example for other guys to say, you know what I don't have to do? I don't have to be in a social circumstance and have a drink. I can reach out to a friend if, you know, if even if you just reach out to people now and again, and just say, hey, what's up? How you doing? Like that's a helps. It does. It definitely helps. And I think from that, I think that's one of the reasons why fighters and military guys find each other a lot. And there's a huge percentage of veterans that get into Jiu-Jitsu and some of the things after service. They're looking for a community. They're looking for a tribe. They're looking for something physical. [01:59:01] And I see a lot of parallels between that. Hmm. Makes sense. Yeah. I would think military guys like Jitsu and martial arts would be an automatic. It makes sense. It would complete makes sense to help you transition. And also just a great thing to keep your head and check. Keep your mind right. It's martial arts, particularly Jitsu is a really good one because there's no head impacts. And you know, you can keep your mind right. The problem with It's martial arts, particularly Jiu-Jitsu is a really good one because there's no head impacts. And you know, you can keep your mind right. The problem with sparring, like if you get into striking sports, you're getting damage. Believe it or not. Even if you're light sparring, you're getting popped. You're getting jabbed. Every now and then someone hits you with something a little stiff. You know, you see stars. It happens. It always happens. I can't remember a time, you have to have like really good training partners when it comes to striking, where you really trust them that they're not gonna hit you hard. And even then sometimes accidentally they hit you hard. Like you zig when you should have zagged, you run into something, it just happens. [02:00:00] But with Jiu-Jitsu, you cut that down way down. Like the amount of head injuries and impacts and concussions and Jiu-Jitsu's tiny comparison. Every now and then you accidentally collide heads or you accidentally catch a knee to the head and you get noxily. That does happen. But for the most part, it's like the safest way to engage in combat sports. And also it's one of the rare ones where you could do it with a buddy and you could both go full blast and You don't have to worry about killing each other right if you're going full blast and Jim kickboxing I mean you're gonna fucking break your brain 100% and I know a lot of guys have done it And I used to do it used to we used to go to war we didn't spar we beat the fuck out of each other We hit each other full blast all the time and it was all just about having good defense and being able to move around Away from shots, but you know the real shots were coming your way and you got dinged up a lot And if you're doing that like forever all throughout your years like Jerry quarry is a good example Jerry quarry was a boxer fought Muhammad Ali on his return when he took those three years off and Jerry quarry was like notoriously tough [02:01:03] Just tough just would eat fucking punches. Well his brother was like him too and I think his brother only had like one professional fight. They were just always sparring in the gym. His brother wound up with brain damage just as bad as Jerry. Herific brain damage just from the gym. The gym fucking counts kids. If you're listening out there and you're sparring and you're fucking tuning up on your friends and you guys are beating the shit out of each other, that counts for the rest of your life. Whether your coach is telling you that or not, those sparring sessions, if you're going in there and you're getting dropped and you're getting rocked and you're rocking people and dropping people, you guys are giving each other brain damage, 100%. And I was just having a conversation with a friend of mine who was a professional fighter who is now dealing with one of his friends who's suicidal, who used to be a professional fighter. And they were talking about the sparring sessions that they had. They were talking about, geez, maybe we shouldn't have been beating the fuck out of each [02:02:02] other all those years because they would go to war. And in the early days of MMA in particular, now they're a little bit more sophisticated about it and they're much more aware of preserving yourself. Like there's certain guys like Max Holloway doesn't even spar. He just fights. He says, I know how to fight. I don't want to get beat up in the gym and go into a fight compromise because I want to go into a fight 100% So I don't even spar. He just does drills and you know, he's one of the best alive But then this guy's like Sean Strickland that's spar constant just he is house car Yeah, yeah pull that video with what are wrong house to break into Out of all the houses out of all the houses to fuck with that guy you have see middleweight chairman who was a gun nut Yeah, and really knows how to use guns. Yeah out of all the guys. Yeah, it trains I mean you see every photo that he has we does the YouTube videos just fucking ARs on the wall behind him Like he's not fucking around kids. He's ready to hilarious that guy is he's hilarious hilarious. He's very funny [02:03:03] He's like he's so marketable as like an anti hero but also a hero yeah he's a guy like so here look go to the volume give me some volume so this is drunk guy and he's outside Sean's apartment Sean sees him It's a music play. So he throws the guy down on the ground, points a gun at him, and he's standing on him. I don't know what the guy was doing. It seems like the guy was just a obliterated drunk, and he thought the guy was trying to rob him but i think the guy was just shit faced and he was like looking for his keys or something what was he doing since he was arrested oh he hit a curb okay so so he was driving drunk uh... he stomped out a girl [02:04:01] oh my god oh a security guard saw him stomped out a girl. He jumped into his car and drove off security followed him. He hit a curb completely, completely shredded his tire, drove on the rim for a while, then jumped down, tried to hide it. So on Strickland South gosh. Yeah. Whoops. Wrong dude. That's that's karma. That's the universe sending you to the wrong spots. The gravitational pull this to Sean's house. He was such a con. He was such a con that the universe guided him to the absolute worst place he could ever be while he just did those things. Stopped out of girl, drove drunk, smashed his car into a curb, ditched it, tried to hide at the absolute wrong spot. That guy is social media, like it's got to be some of the most entertaining social media. Oh, he's hilarious. And he's a champion. So it's like he's behaving like a wild young contender. But he's the number one guy on earth. [02:05:02] I mean, looks, it's hard to say, look, people can say what they want about that out of Sonya. Oh, is he wasn't himself? Dude, he wasn't himself because he got clip with a bomb of a right hand by Strickland in that first round. Strickland connected with a picture perfect right hand, rocked is he, and then hit him with, how many shots did he hit him with afterwards? Eight, ten, clean shots to the head, left hooks in the clinch. I mean, of course he wasn't himself after that. You get hit like that in a fight, you're a fucksville for the rest of those, he probably doesn't remember those rounds. He fought five rounds compromised. Who knows how dinged up he got? Only he knows, only as he knows, how bad he got hurt in that first round. But when you get rocked that way and your legs give out and you go down like is he did That's a concussion kids. You got rocked. That's a real getting rocked That guy did that so you could talk all the shit you want You know because Strickland seems like he's got this awkward style and people think he's not as good as he is [02:06:02] But you watch him tune dudes up you You're like, that guy's a motherfucker man. And all, you know, he spars more than anybody than you have to see and they put a mouthpiece that measures how many times you get hit. He gets hit less than anyone. He gets phenomenal defense, man. Oh, shit. Phenomenal defense. His distance management is off the charts and it's because he's constantly sparring. So like that's what he does better than anybody. He fights. And when he spars, if you've seen the videos of him sparring, he's fucking fighting. You're fighting him. You got like boxers coming in and talk shit. He beats the fuck out of them with just boxing. He's fucking dangerous man. So the universe led that guy to that man. That's like perfect. Carmic justice. Oh, it's beautiful. It's like a perfect. For a guy who stomps out a girl and then drives drunk, it shreds his car and tries to run. That is the absolute perfect way. And then it's all on camera. It's amazing. Yeah. It's the universe. Sometimes it delivers. [02:07:00] Yeah, sometimes there's an opening and that fucking wounded gazelle Wander's in the shun's stripman's house You fucking victim That cut to the gazelle Every now and then yeah, every now and then the universe will give us one of those Yeah, and thank God, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's good. It's good at this but again That's the right to keep in bare arms. That's freedom. That's like the ability to protect yourself. He didn't know who the fuck that guy was. What if that guy was a creep? Yeah, who knows? I got another one. I got one for you. This guy tries a rob a gun store. What? Yeah, I friend Justin, my friend Justin is a real gun nut. Like a fucking bonafide, salt of the earth gun nut. And I send him this because I knew he would get a kick out of it. I'll send this to you, Jayme. This is one of the ones that says sensitive content. Do you really want to share this? It'll ask you if you want to see the real, like yeah, I want to see it, and then you try to send it. Hold on. Do you really want to share it anyway? It says this post [02:08:07] includes a notice saying it may contain graphic or violent content. Yeah, I want to share it. Of course, I want to share it. There's so much of this on Instagram. They must be either promoting it, but they're absolutely aware of it, right? They have to be aware of it because they put a notice on it saying you sure you want to share it First of all they they asked me twice you sure you want to see it right I say yeah, I was it I said you sure you want to share my yeah, I want to share and so they let me so They must know about it so they know about Violent violent shit like murders like watch this So this dude comes into a gun store give me some volume Oh some talking over Imagine this guy thinks he's gonna rob a dude see that old dude Hey, that old dude has been planning for that moment every day when he puts his shoes on yeah One day someone's gonna rob the gun store and I'm fucking ready. That guy's at the range practicing for that. [02:09:06] One day. That's from the Instagram page, this underscore motherfucker underscore, right underscore here. Which is amazing. I guess. But imagine these guys thinking that they can go, he got two guns on him too. Thinking he's gonna walk into a gun store and rob a gun store and he just gets dusted like immediately. Look at this, boom, right away. Yeah. There wasn't a decision-making process in this. Imagine if he can, I'm gonna go in this gun store and rob them and I take all the guns. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think works there, kid? Who do you think works at gun stores people really enjoy guns? Yeah, you don't get the average Starbucks barista. It's like I heard there's an opening at the gun store. Am I allowed to wear my lip ring? How many pronouns I don't think you get a lot of pronoun name tags and gun stores. No, no, I'm pretty sure they don't. [02:10:00] I don't think you have to have he, him, and your social media bio. No. No. Somebody sent me something the other day. Every time someone says, it sends me something that has their pronouns in their bio of an email, I just delete it. Yeah. I'm like, no. No, not playing along with this. No. Somebody asked me the other day, then the company, they're like, well, do you wanna do this? It's like absolutely never. They asked if you wanna put pronouns in the box. Not in mind, they were saying, if we should do it, it was like, or let people, and I was like, hey man, you're title and you're name. That's all we need to do here. We're all good. We don't need to do this. They're not participating in this like horseshit. What's the use of a comedian that had that in their bio? Are they funny? I find that hard to believe that they're possible. They can't be. Culturally, they don't, like there's a section of the population that tends to be like really liberal, like the wokes side of the spectrum, they're not funny. [02:11:01] They can't have humor. They're human. They could. They could 10 years ago. They could. 10, 15 years ago you could. Because there's a lot of people that you would consider woke that were very liberal, but they were able to use humor in a way that is very offensive if it was not humor. But it's humor. It's only supposed to be funny. It's not like they're making statements, like these are appetit, these are my real beliefs on things. So they're saying things in a way that's either ironic or sarcastic or it's a parody or whatever, but it's very funny. And it's very funny and uses outrageous language and uses what people would think is problematic stereotypes and all kinds of chill like that. And there was a lot of liberal comedians that would walk that line and be really good at it. You know, they would say something racist from the perspective of a racist person and make fun of that person, but also make fun of the way that person's talking about things and the way that person's talking about things [02:12:01] are also funny. And you could do that. Now you can't do that anymore. Because now those people are so, the left has moved so far. It's so far into this weird world of Narnia, where, you know, like gender transition surgeries are cool. Like yeah, you should be supporting trans kids. Like what are you saying? The fuck are you saying? Support Ukraine, like are you sure? Did you go over there? What are you saying the fuck the fuck are you saying support Ukraine like a sure did you go over there? What are you saying what are you saying free Palestine free Palestine from what like okay? What what do you know about it tell me what you know like are you just jumping on every fucking bandwagon that the left wants you to jump on Or if you've really looked into this shit like do you what how much do you know about Israel? How much do you know about Hamas? How much do you know about the history of the region? It's moved so far in that direction. What are your pronouns? Put them in your bio. Okay. You don't even have your pronouns in your bio. This kind of nonsense and compliance has led them into this weird world where you can't do proper humor anymore. That's why there's no comedy movies anymore, man. [02:13:07] Is that the reason you think, yeah, they're scared. You can't do like super bad today. No. But the guys who did super bad are all woke. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I mean, all of those guys are 100% on the woke side. Yeah. Now, they're like kind of, they woke themselves out of jobs. They woke themselves out of one of the most cherished aspects of movie going times, which is going to see a great offensive movie, like the fairly brothers, like something about Mary. Hilarious fucking movie. Try making that today. Well, blazing saddles. Try making that to the point. Try making that to. Well, blazing saddles. Try making that. Something like that. Like, could never happen. Did never happen. Like, try the fun. Everything no Brooks, everything that they did. Oh, yeah. There's no way it could be made. No way. And he's very liberal, very tough when you got. You used to be able to do that. You used to be able to do that with humor. There's a lot of comics that are really liberal that were really funny, like 10, 15 years ago. And now you watch them. It's like a lot of claptor and virtue signaling [02:14:11] is like, you're scared. You're scared. You're scared of upsetting that base. You're scared of them turning on you. You want them with you always. And they're not with you, man. They're all trapped in the fucking undercurrent, the the tide they're getting pulled by a rip tide of this Culture run a muck and they don't you know they don't do anything to stop it and the that's why guys like Bill Mar are interesting Yeah, because he does he does he's he never stopped being a real comic even in the the tide of all this crazy Left-shade he's like, what the fuck is going on? Like what is happening here? Like he's not, like he's one of the few guys that's saying, hey Biden, fucking step down. Like what are we doing? Like what are we doing? The fuck is happening here? This is not, this is, this time is gone. This is nonsense. [02:15:01] Do you guys wanna win this thing? Like what the fuck are you doing? And that's against what most of that ideology wants you to say? Well, there's, there's, there's, they've lost the ability to be objective in anything. Yeah. So if you're, if you don't agree, if you, if you, if you, if you don't pass the purity test, yes, then you're going to be on the right. You're a Nazi. Yeah, you're you're gonna go over here. You're a fascist. You're you're labeled as something that you're not. Obviously, just because you want to have a different opinion, there's no ability for people to have a constructive conversation, be objective, bring in facts. They've got to make it personal. They've got to go really deep into these obscure philosophical conversations that don't make sense. I think part of it is, I truly do believe that there's part of this that's directly contributed to from our strategic enemies. I think that we're in the middle of this information operation, and I think people, wittingly and unwittingly are participating in this crazy chaotic narrative. [02:16:05] And they're saying, but this is what we need to do. Actually what you're doing is you're just directly relaying propaganda. That's what you're doing. And you're trying to cause cultural divides and they're trying to divide us, they're trying to make us argue because they're the ones that directly reap the benefits of all this chaos. Who else would reap the benefits of this? Yeah, it's laid out by Yuri Besmanov in the 1980s. And people who haven't seen that go watch this video. It's on YouTube, former KGB defector Yuri Besmanov. He outlines how Russia has invaded our education system and that what they're doing to try to destroy our culture and Whether or not you believe in that shit or not just listen to what he's saying and see what's happened He is outlining exactly how it would take place. He's off by about 10 years Yeah, but he outlined it in terms of how many generations it would take for a complete moral decay and a complete [02:17:05] complete in terms of how many generations it would take for a complete moral decay and a complete, complete, like, or an erosion of our faith in the democratic process, and all of it's laid out, all of it's laid out exactly what you see. And that's the enemy of comedy. You're gonna fucking fall in on that. Like, you can't be funny. No. And you can't be funny and be involved in this fucking chaotic war. I was watching a jujitsu coach online. They were talking about whether or not he supports trans women competing in women's division. And he was saying, of course I do because I'm not a Nazi. We're not Nazis. So if you don't support biological males competing against women in Jiu-Jitsu matches, you're a Nazi. I was like, this is crazy. This kind of nutty shit has made it all the way to Jiu-Jitsu. [02:18:02] Do you think that eventually it loses the effectiveness of the term if they're just overusing fascist and Nazi in every sentence? Do you think eventually it at least runs out of inertia because they've used it so much that it loses its effectiveness? It definitely does but the problem with that is there's real Nazis out there. Yeah exactly. That's the problem with crying wolf, right? Like one day you're going to see real wolf like oh my god That's a wolf and everyone's like shut the fuck up like no no guys. That's a actual Nazi right like they have a swastik on their back This is a real Nazi like real Nazis are real That's what's so offensive about calling someone who doesn't want a biological male with a mental disorder to compete against women in a Jitsu match That's that's why it's so offensive to call anybody who objects to that a Nazi. Because there are Nazis. Like no, I just, I think biological males have a massive advantage and I'm not gonna live in your narnia world and pretend they don't, because it's fucking stupid and it's dangerous. [02:19:02] And that's the reality of the world we're living in right now. There's a bunch of people that whether willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly, they've given into this, whether how what percentage of it is put out by our enemies, what percentage of it is really effective psychological warfare through manipulation of social media algorithms and for the use of bots and troll farms. that shit's real. It's 100% documented. It's 100% real. And if you don't believe that it happens, you're living in a fictional reality because they're either participating in it or they're taking advantage of it. That's their job, by the way, because there are strategic threats, whether that's militarily or economically, this is their goal. And when you're controlled by one party, in China, it's with a Communist party, they've got a long-term look and how they can directly affect and ultimately degrade what we believe is Americans because they benefit from that. [02:20:00] They want the position that we have. So if people don't believe that, you're just living in a false reality, period. Yeah, you're living in a false reality and you're not taking into account all the things we discussed earlier about some people falling the cults. Some people, 15% of them in IQ below 85. Like all that shit is a factor because they're really easily led easily. And if you are one of those people, maybe you don't have an 85 IQ, maybe it's 89, maybe it's 90, maybe you're just gullible. You can get sucked into thinking that this is the only way to think. And if you see it magnified in your social media algorithm because of China, because of Russia, and because of these troll farms which we absolutely no exist. It shifts the narrative. It shifts the way people discuss and think about things. It shifts what's acceptable. When people start going against the grain, they get attacked by all these trolls. It fucking puts the brakes on a lot of discussions. Well, and that's the only way that we're gonna move [02:21:00] the ball forward, and I hate using sports analogies, but that's the only way we're going to be able to move things forward is if we can get out of what I would say is this the these the idiot circus participating in these nonsense subjects versus hey Guys we have to maintain our sovereignty. We have to maintain what we would call our principles internationally why why is that important why should we be thinking about these things? And I think these are real questions that we can be talking about, like a good one is, why is our national debt where it is today? Why do we have $33 trillion in debt? What is the debt service gonna happen for our country, the individual taxpayers? How does that look like? What does that look like? How does that, what does that look like in 10 years from now versus whether or not we're arguing whose male or female or how many pronouns you have, I think we should be talking about those things. Those are really substantive conversations. Yeah, and then climate change comes up. And that's the next one people start fighting about. [02:22:02] It's like you gotta keep as many beach balls up in the air at the concert as possible. Just keep bouncing those fuckers around to distract people. Distraction. It's a giant distraction. Whether you realize it or not, whether you're overconfident in maybe your own ability to navigate waters and you're like, it's not affecting me. It's affecting culture. And if it's affecting culture, it's gonna have an impact on you. It's gonna come towards you. You're gonna have to push back against something that you wouldn't have to push back against. Some real nonsense shit. And if you go against it, you're a Nazi. Like this whole men using the women's bathroom. Like listen, I'm not an anti-trans person, but if you don't believe that there are certain male predators that are sex offenders that wouldn't take advantage of the ability to wear a dress and then all sudden be able to go into any woman's room they want well they definitely do right and you don't have a way of discerning who's a legitimate trans person that has gender dysphoria that [02:23:02] really just wants to be accepted as a woman and who's a sick fuck who just wants to go watch women shit because those guys are real too and if you don't agree with that if you don't say that those people are real now all of a sudden you've created a whole category of sexual predators that prey on women that have a really want a golden ticket. Now they could just go into women's spaces. They can go in the women's locker rooms. They can go into women's anything. All they have to do is say they identify as a woman. It's not hard to do. You don't even have to look like a woman. You just say you identify as a woman. You can put lipstick on if you want. Like we're so lenient about this shit. And I'm not saying I know a solution because like if you ever met Blair White, oh yeah, she used a woman's room. Why shouldn't she use a woman's room? Like that's a trans woman who's like, that's a trans woman. That's a real, she lives like a woman. She wants to call herself a woman, I'm in. But that's not everyone. There's some one, this is this one, I think this person lives in, I wanna say Canada, but somewhere north. [02:24:06] But on their social media, they wrote, some women have penises and if you don't like it, you could suck my dick. Full beard, wearing a dress, looking like a guy in a dress, and you're like, okay, you might be insane. How about you're insane? And how about if everybody just accepts that blanket? This, well now you Well now you leave this door open for chaos. And if you can't talk about it because if you talk about it, you're a Nazi. What are we doing? Like what are we doing? We gave perverts a complete, will we walk a golden ticket, a hall pass? Give him a hall pass and then you can monopolize the conversation in the country around what quite literally small meaningless things versus saying, these are big strategic threats to our way of life. Like I think there's in there people outside of this country every day that are looking to undermine [02:25:00] our entire premise of what we built over the course of the last several hundred years. I mean, I don't even necessarily say that I believe in this and it's not a feeling. It is what it is in the context of spending most of my life overseas and working against these intelligence agencies, you know what they're capable of. And you know what they're doing. They love this. Like, they love this chaotic, weird conversation that we're trapped in arguing about all of these different things because at that point, we're taking our eye off the ball. Like they love the fact that we are trapped in this endless cycle of wars of occupation where we spent trillions of dollars. They love that. You know why? Because it degrades our long-term military viability in some of these regions and then China can snap up ports and economic influence and they can start building their power. And we, as a country, if we don't like focus on those things, we don't really try to focus [02:26:01] on what is culturally important to us. What are we really going to protect? Freedom of speech. Good for instance in this is, we were talking about it in California, like comedy is one of the last places where you should be able to say what it is that you want to say. And I'm saying everywhere we should be able to do this and we should absolutely protect it. But if comedies under attack from people wanting to cancel comedy because of jokes, that's a problem as a country, as a society. That's a fucking huge problem. Well, the Lakota had a term called the Hayoka, the Sacred Clown. They had a person in their society that made fun of everything because they had this Need to test things like how do I know if this thing is legit if it will someone can't make fun of it That's probably a thing that there's a problem with that thing if you can't discuss it and you can't mock it There's probably a problem with that thing like maybe that thing is like maybe there's a little bit of a culty aspect of that thing. And here's a question. Do you think we're doing the [02:27:10] same thing overseas? Are we are we doing the same sort of social media campaigns? We must be. This Mike Baker and you fucking gave me the run around. Oh, I think I hear here's my honest, you know, everybody that starts a conversation by saying, here's my honest opinion. But my assessment in this is I think that we have, we have forfeited portions of foreign service to the left in the context of wokeism politically correct, like the act of maintaining your sovereignty in the context of military and then economically is not politically correct. You can't broker in in that rhetoric and then implement a strategic long-term goals and objectives that are going to meet and exceed what we have [02:28:06] to do to maintain America. And ultimately America's power oversees if you believe in it. You just can't because it's not politically correct. If you believe that all nations are created equal and all political ideologies are equal, that's just wrong. It's not. I tend to, not tend. Like I think communism is a dog shit ideology. I think that it should have been flushed down the international toilet a long time ago. We just haven't done it good yet. Yeah. We're gonna figure it out this time, Evan. You're supposed to mind it. You can't dabble in it. Like it's so dangerous to start dabbling in it. Like it's so dangerous to start dabbling in these things because it's a failed ideology. You have to flush it down the toilet. It has to go away forever. And then you have to evolve, pass that at a certain point. But when you've co-opted our academic institutions [02:29:00] and you've indoctrinated generations of the academic elite and then they've worked their way into foreign service and they've worked their way into the intelligence apparatus. Now they're going out and they're not willing to implement at the same degree that they might have been able to in the 1960s and 70s in the context of zero sum game. We are here to win. That's what we do. And you got to play by the rules of nature, which is things will die. And when I say that, ideologies have to die, like they do. When they're failed and they're bad for freedom, which I tend to believe in radical freedom. When they're bad for individual liberty, when they're bad for freedom, which I tend to believe in radical freedom. When they're bad for individual liberty, when they're bad for freedom, they got a fucking die. And if you're going to have communism, you're gonna need someone to enforce that. It's it's it only is implemented through tyranny. That's it. Isn't that wild? Yes. That no one wants to do that math. [02:30:01] They don't want to get to the 10th problem. Right. They don't want to get to the 10th problem. They want to stop a problem number seven and go, well, it's really important that we share wealth and the economic, you know, disparity is wrong. And we should all have money from the state and equal money. And we should all share. And billionaires shouldn't exist.. Okay, okay, how do you make that happen? How do you take the money from the billionaires? Who do you give it to? Who gets to decide? Who gets what? Do we vote on where the money goes? What about those people that are under 85 IQ? They vote on this too? They're gonna vote for free twinkies for everybody. Free twinkies in Mountain Dew. I mean, if you just had, should all the billionaires spend their money on free Twinkies and Mountain Dew? And you just left it to people who aren't billionaires to vote for, they're like, yeah, fuck those people. It's gonna vote it in. Should we take 90% of the money from people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett? Fuck yeah, they don't need that money, click. There's a lot of people that'll tell you Like if you're starting off, you're playing a game. Like the game's capitalism. If you're starting off in your 20 years old, 21 years old, [02:31:07] and you don't make any money, and you're out there trying to find your purpose in life, and then you see someone who's been playing this game for 50 years, and he's flying around in a fucking private jet and getting driven around at a Rolls Royce, like fuck that guy. Yeah. Fuck him. Fuck him. He him he's too far ahead of the game but you're playing that game too if you're working and you're getting paid for your work you're playing a game you might be playing a very low level of the game but you're playing the game called capitalism and the more work you do the more money you get the more effort you put in to figure out how to get more money the more money you'll get if you're successful and if you're not successful you'll at least get lessons on how to do it wrong and hopefully you're gonna figure that out because many people have including that guy in the fucking Bentley Including that guy in the private jet. He's he's just 70 years old He's been playing this fucking game for 45 god damn years hard You know he knows what he's doing and if you don't like that game don't play it [02:32:00] But for you to say that he shouldn't have that money. Okay, what are you gonna do? You gonna take it from him? Who's gonna take it from him? The government? Armed people? What do you do? Because that's the only way he's gonna give it up. It's the only way. That's the only way you get to enforce people redistributing wealth evenly across everybody, including people that have done nothing. And now you're going to get a lot of angry people. And you're going to get a lot of resentment. You know what pops out of something like that? Those ideas? Far right ideologies. Super far right. That's the rebound to this radical leftism. You know, Steve Bannon was talking about that. He was talking about Trump. Like the people that are afraid of Trump, they're like, he's a moderate. He's a moderate in this movement and believe me if you guys fuck with him more Someone else is gonna come along that's gonna resonate with these people that realize they're getting fucked and It's gonna be just like what's happening in Argentina or this guy gets elected and he's like fuck everything Everything's gotta go everything's gotta go and it's wild because people are very excited about that there's a there's a ground swell of people that are really fucking fed up with this bullshit being implemented [02:33:11] in all sorts of countries all over the world there's there past these wild hate speech laws in the UK we were talking about yesterday where you can get arrested if you have something on your phone that could be used to incite violence. So if you, if someone sends you a meme, it's a hilarious meme that someone decides that meme could incite violence because it's offensive. Yeah. They could arrest you. This is wild, wild shit. And this is the kind of thought process that leads us down a very bad path. I think that that's where people start to sell this thing is this is a utopian future, where everybody's equal, everything is the same. We're all in this fictional reality together, but what they don't understand is it is not [02:34:02] look like that. It looks like a dystopian nightmare is what it looks like. In order to get to this place that you're briefing us, so amazing and equal, it has to take so much control. It's anti-psychologies, anti-human, anti-freedom. Like when you take a person's freedom, that's the most valuable thing that we have. Yeah. It's you're taking away the human purpose. And that's the thing that I I often kind of like wrestle with with people. It's like you can't take away an individual's purpose and expect or try to and expect that to go well. It's just not. Like you can't put them into a factory job and say, well, you know what? This is your plightin' life for the rest of your life. This is what you're gonna do. And take away their entire existence and essence, their ability to create and thrive as an individual. That doesn't work. It doesn't work. And also, you're gonna get the halves and the half-nots, like you had in Cuba. [02:35:01] You get the halves and you have knots, like you have in China. You know China has kind of a hybrid system Right like they allow some form of capitalism until you step out of line And send you to the bodies exhibit Yeah, it's it is it's wild how many young people are not getting this information I think many young people are getting it now the understand it now because of podcasts and But there's still they're they're outnumbered by the people that are just the zombies that are buying into this shit wholesale. And they're out there. They're out there with these very strong opinions that are not very well researched at all, lack of understanding of human nature, and also a lack of understanding of all the forces that have led them to this particular ideology in the first place, that we are as a culture being manipulated. We're being manipulated and it's moving us further and further away from just sanity, just pure sanity. [02:36:01] It's the foundations of Western logic, right? They're trying to poison the roots of Western logic by completely rewriting what we would call the history of the world and the progression around physics and math and you name the thing that's under assault, that's under assault today. And I think who benefits from that? You just have to look around and say, who benefits from that? Oh, our foes, that's who benefits from this. And not much has changed if you think, well, 2,500 years ago we'll say, Socrates was put to death for corrupting the youth, I think is what it was, and I'm like trying to recall it. But he was out there on the street arguing and debating with people, talking about ideas, and the Athenians were like, we gotta get rid of this guy. He's like, [02:37:00] he's pressure testing what we're doing. We gotta put this dude down. And I think, well, that was 2,500 years ago. So anytime the state deems information as a threat, we should probably be looking at that information and then really trying to have an open discussion about it. That's a beauty of America. Like, freedom of speech. Yes. It is the beauty of America. But it's also why they're trying to crack down on the internet. The internet has been the biggest force in not just relaying this propaganda, but also fighting against propaganda and letting people realize like, hey, like these people that are supposed to be your leaders, they're compromised and they're fucking you. And there's some things that they're doing now that they're just doing. And like, what is the economic consequence of the hundreds of billions of dollars that are being spent on these wars that we're not interested in? What are the economic consequences? Where are the actual legal consequences for, I mean, [02:38:02] here's an easy one, which is we invaded a country of Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction. They didn't exist. They didn't exist. Yeah. Not one person went to jail. We spent more time trying to connect this fiction around Russian collusion for two years than we did investigating why there was a massive information operation internally to the United States that said there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Not one person went to jail. Not one person stepped in front of Congress and had depositions around. Why did you say that there was weapons of mass destruction when there wasn't not one person? But we spent how many trillions of dollars on this war? And how many people died? Yeah, how many innocent Iraqis died? Well, I mean, these are hundreds of thousands of people. I mean, my peer group alone, just thousands of people that are physically and mentally altered forever that spent, you could say the best years of our life in a war under false pretenses. And now the long term effects are coming back, [02:39:05] and also the government doesn't want to pay for that bill as well. So they were trying to deny Gulf War syndrome. Remember that when they were using depleted uranium rounds. So these people were all getting radiation poisoning and their children were born deformed and they were having these massive problems and they were trying to deny it because they didn't want to pay for it. they didn't want to pay for it. They don't want to pay for it. They don't want to write the check. They do when it directly benefits what I would say is the military industrial complex and these wars of occupation. I don't want to make it sound like a man Thai. I think there's a difference between a war of necessity that maintains national sovereignty and a long term war of choice for occupation. That's a war of choice and occupation is an exercise in transference of wealth from the taxpayer into the military industrial complex. And that's like firsthand experience spending 2003 to 2009 in Iraq, I mean that's a lot of time. [02:40:05] Four and a half years on the ground and then another three years in Afghanistan, just seeing the expense from blood and treasure alone over the course of ten years of deployments and understanding what the difference is between precision, tracking, and then killing terrorists, and what we needed to do in order to stabilize a region. And then long-term, massive wars of occupation, there's a very distinct difference. Yeah, I think that's very important to bring up. And it's also very important to bring up that you have to have military power because other countries have it. And people who don't think that you should support the military, and there's people that think all military is evil, listen, if we didn't have it, what do you think would happen? What do you think would happen? Like, what do you think the whole world would lay down their arms if we did? Do you [02:41:05] think that's what would happen? We arms if we did? Do you think that's what would happen? We have to live in reality. And the reality of this world, and you know it better than anybody. This world is a fucking messy place. It's we live in a bubble here, you know, a very protected, artificial reality. When you get out into the most dangerous places in the world, that's where you see nature. That's where you see the real rules of life, which is the only rules are those of physics. Bullets travel at X feet per second. You have a collective team trying to organize against it in a very chaotic environment, trying to survive. But really, you strip every piece of what you know around rules, around what's right and wrong. [02:42:01] Your morality is put into question. Your mortality is at stake all the time. And you see the real world. It's eye opening to the point of you, you understand how great we have it in the United States and how beautiful this country is, and you also understand how fragile life is and how brutal the world can be and how brutal humanity can be towards each other. You know it can be gone like that. And I think being exposed to it for that long and then coming home that the things that I've been able to pull away from that earth. This place is amazing. It's beautiful. It's it's something that we should foster and encourage and continue to pass down through generations because we're so fucking fortunate to have hit the birth lottery being born here. Yeah. Like I roll out of bed every day, man. I'm like, this is fucking awesome. [02:43:07] Like, I'm so happy to be alive. Like, I'm so happy to have all my fingers and toes. And I'm so happy for the experiences of war because it's shown me what it's like to understand my mortality sometimes second to second, but for sure day to day for years on end and understand that we're only here for a short amount of time and we got to make it fucking count. And we also have to be very grateful and gracious to what we have here for our freedoms and our country and our countrymen and The experience of war itself that chaotic environment that show me Traffic rules don't apply over there, right? It's like traffic lights and police officers and you know the things that we take for granted Every day going to work, you know making our coffee doing all the things that we do, you strip all that away [02:44:07] into just the law of nature. It is wild. Like it is forever life-changing, but you also understand this is what we're living in. Like these, this is the actual consequence of what we're living in. We, we're very protected in the way that we live life right now. Yeah, I'm real glad you said that. I'm real glad you relayed that message that way. People need to hear it. Let's wrap this up. Sweet. Appreciate you brother. Thanks man. Always a good day.