#2015 - Zach Bryan

And you know and it's over. Yeah, and it's over the reason I've drinking Bud Light and Budewise like my entire adult life and then on on Twitter I defended my my sister's spouse and people were like People were pissed and I was like I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do this. It was crazy and Travis trick came after me I was like he didn't come after me Travis tried to so respectable and he's like a good guy and I met him at the two-step-in where you were And it was just it was cool to get to talk to him about it and see like two different views And it was yeah, it was cool sitting in the room with him and hearing it Well, you know people just the culture war in this country is so goofy It's so overblown and a lot of his people just not talking to each other People talking through social media and talking through narratives and it's just it freaks me out Yeah freaks me out and being so public you two as well. It's so scary I feel like it keeps people from being who they actually are. Oh, yeah, which is terrifying because every time I get anywhere I'm like shit, man I can't say or do this and then When you do it's fucking it's crazy It's like a lot of self-censoring, but I think it's important to speak your mind. I think it's getting better Yeah, it's just more people have to do it and then more people, you know people are worried about the repercussions But you have to understand that when you're a person like yourself or a person like me You're communicating to millions of people and so you're going to have a certain percentage of them that are upset at everything you say Whether you say you like to eat meat or whether you say you think Robert F Kennedy jr. Is a good guy or whether you think that you know, whatever the fuck you think and you only have one You only have one life man, allegedly. Yeah, I guess I'm not sure I Feelin you've been here before no I uh, I saw your podcast like two years about two years ago about the infinity thing Yeah, and I kept telling people about it like in Oklahoma and stuff like what the we're that that freaks people out Like it freaks people out like I love life. I love my family. I love my friends. I love my job. I love Existing I enjoy it very much But if I had to do this over and over again forever for infinity, it's a weird feeling it freaks people Have you seen that black mirror episode? No not to be that guy No, there's a bunch of them But there's a black mirror episode where they're in a cabin and this guy's in prison for infinity And he's talking to this guy over and over and over again And there's the new one the new season came out and same thing. They're in space. They're like coming down I'm not gonna ruin it. No no words crazy. It's an amazing show freaks you out. It's my favorite show It's good. Great. So my wife won't watch with me really Really freaked out by yeah, she doesn't like things that could be real I get that I get that a lot of people like when I bring it up They're like, I don't know and I'm like, did you ever see heavy metal? That's the one where the robots are chasing this lady. Oh Yeah, dogs. I didn't like that. I saw watch. Oh, that won't freak me out too much. No, that's so close to real Well the one about the murdering too. There's a one with this chick like murders Oh, yeah, then she gets in this like white lie of you're trying to hide from it. Yeah, she's like hiding it from her kids and stuff. Yeah Yeah, crazy. Wow. It's just it's so close to real. It's so close to real There was a world economic forum video that they just put out about people going to work and wearing earbuds Have you seen it Jamie? Going to work and wearing earbuds that monitor your brainwaves And the brainwaves are gonna tell whether or not you're being productive or distracted and in this video This woman is kind of fantasizing about a guy she works with and then catches herself doing it And then some guy gets busted for like this is a show. What is this? It's just a video Explaining how in the future you're good. See if you can find it Dude you saying this reminds me of yesterday I was in Walmart and I was like walking around and I was like looking for something to buy And one of the girls I asked the question to shed an air button or an air pod in Mm-hmm, and I was like, why would you do that? Like walking around working people are asking you for help and stuff and she's just walking around like listening to just like talking to people What and listening to this music? Yeah kids do that today. My kids do that though. Yeah, why are you're open? I was kind of I didn't mean it. I didn't mean to be an ass, but I was like I was talking to the guy Here it is. Yeah, that's it. Check this out. Yeah, check this video. This is bonkers, dude. This is really And scroll through your brain data over the past few hours You know, it's like one of those stress levels right training videos as the deadline to finish your memo approach Yeah, and she's wearing these earbuds in your beta brainwave activity right before an alert popped up telling you to take a brain break What's that unusual change in your brain? This is not the one I saw. Okay, I was gonna That's the one that I saw that's that's scary than a black mirror episode But this was the other one's more scary because it talks about like self-centering at work and monitoring your thoughts at work I can see it. God. I sent it to somebody I could say it fucked up I mean this video on tick-tock seems like I just saw the brainwave thing you just said Like that That's the same video. Yep. This is it. This is it. This is a little later. Yeah. Okay, so I'd only seen part of it That's it. Keep it rolling You got to go on oh my god, there's a nightmare this is black mirror is what I hear at night Oh, this is fine. Let this play No, it's before this It's before this where she's fantasizing about this guy that you that's it. That's the guy How do you smoke pot and watch stuff? I love it. That's crazy Back up The doctor Policy against intra-office romance, but you can't help fantasize But then you start to worry that your boss will notice your amorous feelings when she checks your brain activity Imagine the shitty things you've thought of at work. I know your boss knowing Congratulations on your brain metrics So you get bonuses For thinking a certain way Where is it on Along with emails text messages and GPS location data The government has subpoenaed employees brainwave data from the past year They have compelling evidence that one of your co-workers has committed massive wire fraud Now they're looking for his co-conspirators You discover they are looking for synchronized brain activity between your co-worker and the people he has been working with While you know, you're innocent of any crime. You've been secretly working with him on a new startup mentor Shaking you remove your earbuds You know, it's crazy about that. You know, it's crazy about that I feel like the world right now with all of our phones is the same way because your phone knows everything about you Yeah, and people can do that, but it's not the same but it's like it's getting there It feels like it the idea of being able to collect data on everywhere you walk. I remember when I was I guess it was like I want to say was like 99 2000 was the first GPS thing that I had and you would load it I think with CDs or DVRs I remember when Garman's came out and my grandpa was going crazy Yeah, put it on the dash of his truck and he's like going to Texas and we know where we're going Yeah, you had a map with you all the time But the one that I had in the early days you could I only had California because that's all the data could fit And the California data was on like a CD-ROM or a DVD. I can't remember which one it was But you had to load it I remember and it was kind of clunky, but I was like, this is wild This is like very early on with that kind of electronics thinking about it now like what's freaked me out the most in the last like year my life has been Friends of mine and people that I've met and things I got a flip phone like six months ago I was like man. I called you on it. Yeah, I first started talking to you. I was on my flip phone because I was talking to a friend of mine and it was like I They were like, well, how are you gonna track? How you know where your friends are at? Like with the tracking on iPhones and stuff like that. Well, you can like see your friends and I'm like, what do you mean? Right. I don't think we're supposed to know where we're all at and it's scary as shit Why do I want you to know that I'm at my house or if I'm even your best friends in the entire world? Our parents never did that. It's weird, you know, it's crazy It's weird and then some people gonna want to know where you are all the time Why won't you let me know where you are Zach? Yeah, it's six years as like seven years ago I saw the map with all the fucking heads on it and kids are growing up like this Yeah, they're always tracking their friend. I'm 27. I'm not allowed to say that yet. I don't know you're still a kid I don't know what age that is where you can start saying the kids, you know, which is cringy to say you can say it at 27 After 25, you can kind of say it occasionally. That's how I feel. Yeah after 25. I was a holy fuck My life is not then once you're 30 like oh my god. I'm a grown-up. I was told that 30 you feel more I was told at 30 you feel like more settled Depends on who you are. Sometimes people aren't happy at 30 and then they start panicking more because they haven't got anything done My fucking I don't know about your 20s I don't know what you did in your 20s, but my 20s have been like this crazy roller coaster They're just like it hasn't stopped and I'm like, holy shit. This is what they meant by the 20s. Yeah psychotic I mean you're just over being 10. Yeah, literally 10 17 years ago And you think you know everything and when you're 22 and 23, it's so scary. Of course You make it's crazy you got into You got into making music Well, I say you were successful making music while you were still in the military, right? Yes, how old were you? 22 when I started Wow, I started putting videos on Twitter and it was psychotic. It was crazy because I did it like I Get all these messages all the time from people who are like hey, man. I was around when you release head and south I've been here from the beginning and I'm like wow really the very beginning, you know and I started putting videos on Twitter back in like 2017 and then I just kept doing it and doing it doing it because I was in the Navy had a lot of shit going on I like I didn't believe in therapy because that's crazy in the Navy, you know, and I Started just making music and I started posting on Twitter and people I'd get like five or six likes and I didn't care It was nice. It was nice to go home It was nice to go home and feel the way I didn't write and put music on Twitter I don't know. It's kind of my validation in the world of I can write a song at least right and then man one I was it I was training in Florida and one day I put like four or five videos up and They just went like crazy viral and I was like cool Neat and then my life just kept Going up and up and up and I was at that time. Did you have any? What were your your aspirations about recording? No, I didn't even know what it was It's why I'm like beginning records are shitty. You never thought shitty but See when I recorded this when I recorded this I was about to like Go inside. I was like, whatever. I'll just throw this on the internet It was a second iPhone, uh-huh, and it was like the number one voted reddit video in the entire like world I think I don't know but I was like getting calls from people. I'm like, what the hell's going on everyone It works like you're going viral. I was like what and we're like literally like learning how to load missiles and shit. I'm like sick man and It's been crazy and I never I never in my life envisioned being a musician ever really period no I thought I was gonna my old man was in the Navy for 25 years. He was a master chief My mom was in the Navy. My grandpa was in the Navy both Yeah, just that that like whatever and I was like I'm gonna be in the Navy till the day I die probably Until I retire at least and that was it that was gonna be my life and I was thinking about it yesterday how crazy My reality is now like coming back to Oklahoma and being around people and people like coming to get me in diners and me Like take a picture of me. I'm like what is going on? There's like 700 people hating me online. I'm like, bro. I didn't fucking mean to do this. I Don't know. I'm sorry. It's crazy Wow It just kept going Kept writing so when you made your music you just made it for fun. You make it make it for yourself Did you plan on? No, I just wanted to be a writer I think writing is like the most beautiful thing in the world because I used to read like Steinbeck books and stuff when I was a kid and I Thought it was so crazy that someone could take words and put them on a page and it would make you feel something Not to be deep either. I mean that like you can be reading a book and feel something like Visceral and real from a page on a book. Yeah, Inc and you're looking at it and I was like, that's crazy so I started writing poems and stuff when I was a kid and Those turned into songs cuz writing poems is lame, right? Not really now that I'm 27 I know that it's not but when I was a kid, I thought that I was like, what way can you write poems? And it's not weird. That's why I started playing guitar. Yeah poems are one of those ones people are embarrassed to say exactly Yeah, and I never I don't get that nowadays, but I do if you're you know Why 17 well because the people that aren't embarrassed when they talk about poetry or annoying. Yeah, they are there No, man, you should be the problem people talking about writing. I'm like man you suck. Please please don't I don't want to read I don't want to hear I don't want to hear it man So people just want to unload on you because it's almost it's almost embarrassing to like write vulnerable stuff Yeah, but it's not at all at the same time. It's like you have one life, you know But it connects with people so much the vulnerable stuff like it connects with people It resonates with people so much and people act like you should be ashamed of it. Well, it's just People are ashamed of emotions for some strange reason. It's strange. It's really weird to talk to people about it very stupid It's very stupid at the same time so many people are drawn to him Like I have so many happy songs and people always love my like darker ones And I'm like this isn't my fault you guys all lean towards this. It's not I think what stems from is people Criticizing people who lose control of their emotions like people who are too emotional So like give me any little thing that goes wrong on their life and they break down start crying and think the world is Out to get them like that is see that that's annoying to people I agree and in harder times that is really look down on because those are the people that don't carry their own weight Those are the people that get in the way. Those are the people that panic and battle those the people that can't control their emotions so when we think about someone who's Exploring their emotions or expressing their emotions We like kind of automatically think about the most annoying aspect of expressing your emotions other people in your childhood Who were just crying all the time? Yeah, well people there's some people that just like Anything that goes wrong in their life. They think that Get them like god damn it like have you ever seen Africa you ever seen like Yeah That are living in third world countries here I think people that are walking from Guatemala to try to get through to Mexico to get to America wake up every morning So happy to breathe. Yeah in America. Yeah, I wake up every morning. I'm like, holy shit. This could be so much worse Yeah, that's like when this whole border crisis things going on and I'm like listen if I was living in Honduras and I had no way of making out and I knew that I could walk all the way to America My cousin was gonna do it. My brother was gonna do it. It's gonna take us two weeks to walk to America Like let's fucking go man. Otherwise, we're stuck and you have to think about that being a story in itself Like for you is that that person who's like I'm gonna go Make this trek and make this journey in my life to make it better That's like an Odyssey, right? like you're well people do what they have to do in order to make their life better and when there's Nothing you have to do because your life's pretty fucking easy Then people find all sorts of stupid shit to complain about because people have there's like a level of dissatisfaction that most people just contain All day long and a lot of it is like they have a lot of this fact dissatisfaction about their own self Yeah, and they don't address that so instead they find all this dissatisfaction in the world But that whatever that percentage is whether their life is Unbelievably brutal or whether their life is really easy. They still want to spend, you know, 30 wet percent fucking complaining about shit Yeah, so they find dumb shit to complain about me. It's nothing Have you this is weird you're bringing this up because I posted on my Instagram I had to bring it up, but I posted on my Instagram last week this thing called the Catastrophe of success have you ever read that no by Tennessee Williams? There's this paragraph at the end. He talks about how success just made him like you got it. Sorry I'm so sorry. No, don't pause. Okay. No, you gotta read that you gotta read this. Yeah. Yeah, okay You know then that public somebody you are when you have a name Yeah, you can read it But okay You know then that the public somebody you are when you have a name is a fiction created with mirrors and that only somebody worth being Is the solitary and unseen you that existed from your first breath and which is the sum of your actions? And so is constantly in a state of becoming under your own Violation and knowing these things you can even survive the catastrophe wrong paragraph. I had one job It's the one above it But it talks about what you were just saying that people get so content in their lives that they make like the only thing worth The only thing worth it in this life is conflict Yeah, you have to have that conflict and those stories and those things that make you suffer Yeah to be happy and content which is just crazy to think about yeah It says this is an oversimplification one does not escape that easily from the seduction of an effect way of life Is that how to say that I don't know a feat. How do you say that Jeremy? A feat killed it one of them. I got one of them the first one. Okay, that's one of those things I've only read I've never like said I've never seen that word. I saw this You cannot arbitrarily say to yourself I will not continue my life as it was before this thing success happened to me But once you fully apprehend the vacuity of a life without struggle you are equipped with the basic means of salvation Once you know this is true that the heart of man his body and brain are forged in a white hot furnace for the purpose of conflict the struggle of creation and that with the conflict removed the man is a sword-cutting daisies Sick that that's amazing That's that not privation But luxury is the wolf at the door and that the fangs of this wolf are all the little vanities and conceits and Laxities that success is heir to why then with this knowledge You are at least in a position of knowing where danger lies and people People who are content that's what it means. Yeah, you won't be happy without the conflict of you need struggle and that's very unfortunate With a lot lately in my life and like the touring life and things like that. Mm-hmm Being successful in anything. It's just hard. I think which that's so I'm not it No, it is. I'm not trying to bullshit anyone in the air. It's not like your coal mine. Exactly I'm not being like in the 1800s. Yeah in your 12. Yeah, it's fucking complicated It's complicated. Yeah better to say than hard It's also super bizarre because there's not a lot of people you could talk to about it. Of course. Yeah, there's no one who relates It's hard Try to talk to a bunch of different people about it like early on and everybody has a different take on it and some it's Interesting to see like some people as time has gone on they dealt with it less and less well Which is crazy to think about you would think as you went along the route you get better at it Yeah, yeah a lot of things in that it's just been it's been insane and that really every time I feel However, I'm like stressed out. I'll just read that I'm like cool everything be alright for me That's why exercise is like a key component of my mental health regimen I've learned mental health than anything personally. So when I was in the Navy, I was running like I Was running marathons like on the weekends. I loved it so much running. I've always ran like a lot and I've lost that along the way of being a musician and I've noticed a decline in like how I feel like Energy wise yeah, you know I mean yeah, and it's freaked me out So every morning when I wake up to play a show always going to run now and I always try to tell other comics that Like because a lot of comics do not like to take care of themselves It's like part of the fun of being a comedian just lazy and crazy and you're doing drugs has a musician too Yeah, it's a part of the thing, but I always tell them Your body is literally the race car that you're maneuvering around life in And if you can give that race car more horsepower if you make it more robust it works better It works better with everything it thinks better it handles emotions better it it sleeps better it eats better You'll be smarter and people don't want to believe that cuz it's easier to not it's also more fun fucking lazy It's also fun though to not care. You know crazy. Yeah, then you really it makes it so much worse That's what I mean last year because I mean I wasn't like being crazy I wasn't like shooting up or anything, but we're just We were just drinking so much and we weren't like working out and like right it was just like and I woke up one morning I was like in New York City, and I'm like man. I feel just bad. I shouldn't feel like there's an eight in the morning Yeah, I haven't done anything. That's when I started like addressing. I called my dad. I'm like man. I got to do something That's the real problem with booze. That's the real problem with booze I noticed yeah is so much worse for you than weed or mushrooms or anything else booze is the worst Because it removes all of your it might be in an asshole filter, so you're fucking yeah yeah, so people get loud and confident and and Inhibited and then you feel terrible the next day exactly it's the worst drug, but it's also really fun It's the most fun thing you can do it's it's pretty people give me shit all the time because my sister my sister showed up a long long time ago and We always talk about it with each other in a way of like balancing our lives and things like that and drinking and all that and Every time I talk to her. She's like why don't you just quit drinking if you feel bad all the time and I'm like Become a musician It's a great time to be it like that night at the mothership and stuff like you go down and you start drinking with your Friends and things it's when it gets out of hand that it's not okay. Yeah, it's about some acts for sure Did you see Huberman's podcast on alcohol no? I didn't sure it's terrible. I watch it. Yeah, no I watched I watched that man. I was like never put really yeah, it's scary He was talking about it, and I was like I probably was drinking a beer. It was like 8 p.m.. And I'm like oh shit He was like no. This is he did not don't quote me on this. He was like this is it kills you Oh, every time every time you drink and I was like man I got a poison because I'd stopped drinking I thought man I thought I was being the smart and like last year We're drinking a lot of whiskey and I was like I'm gonna stop drinking whiskey I'll stick with the light beers and the just a beer I started drinking beer, and I felt worse And I was like well you're getting a lot of carbohydrates exactly and I didn't realize that I woke up every morning like And I'm like why I just can't eat breakfast And it was crazy calories. Yeah, there's a lot if you're between 12 beers shit That's a shitload of cow and I mean are not our days are so long like being a musician people don't realize how much fucking Time you're just waiting around right because you get to the venue early And then you wait around all day to play and then you play and then afterwards everyone wants to talk You're like up for like 18 hours, and there's beer involved in everything And you don't even mean it to do it, but you're like man at the end of the night You're like I gotta eat something man. It's crazy There's stages of guys drinking less and one of them as they go to the tequila stage Like tequila doesn't give you hangovers man tequila is bad right don't do that That's like one of the stages you even saying to kill it makes me want to just yeah I can't do it even a smell of it freaks me out. That's probably my favorite drink interesting Yeah, wow now. It doesn't fuck me up as much as other ones I like when when I am purposely trying to get fucked up. It's whiskey of course Yeah, me too. I gotta stop drinking it, but the older I get tomorrow realize like dude. You're not invincible You can't do this. That's what man. It's crazy your body starts declining And you're like I gotta do you ever do IV vitamin drips after you drink I tried them once and it made me feel worse, so now I'm scared of them Yeah, I did it at festival one time cuz I was just I did ACL and I'm not ACL is amazing and everything. It's awesome, but uh Man, I woke up the next morning, and I was like I can't There's no way it was like 530. I had like the 530 slot and we had been driving all night I was like man. I can't do this and Danny's like here. Do this IV it'll make you feel better and I did it and I went on stage. I was like oh, this is terrible really I had a great time and the show was fine, but it was you felt worse. I did feel worse I give me a headache for some reason. I don't know that's interesting. Yeah, what? Hmm. I don't want to throw any companies under the bus, but I wonder like what they put in it Because we're always those IV companies like the animals and things yeah, which you want to get in is glutathione That's a big one. It's it actually helps your liver Process alcohol a lot of people take glutathione why they drink to actually help I was literally about asking you do it simultaneously Yeah, you need a little up and you're good at the same time you could I think that would be cumbersome But a lot of people take liposomal Glutathione it's a way it gets in your bloodstream better. You like squirt it into your tongue. I've tried that before um But you generally you're rehydrating and you're getting like a full panel of vitamins you're getting zinc You're getting vitamin D and B and I gotta take a lot of high-dose vitamin C It's good for your body for sure of course and when you're recovering from a night of drinking It's good to like give your body the the you know the building blocks to try to get it shit together Wow to speak about technically I My body like hit a wall because I was so I was so like in the Navy and it was so physical like it was so physical And like you had to be in such great physical shape and then like all of a sudden it was like out Right do whatever you want. Yeah, and I'll take you free and I was like, okay, let's go. It was crazy It was crazy. I waited like eight months to it was just such a crazy story And then when I when I finally had freedom, I kind of overdid it Do you ever think about taking like a trainer with you on the road? I think we're doing it next year But I there's something in me not my it might be my ego or whatever but there's something in me it's like Well you can but will you exactly that's what you haven't so far it's so unexpected Well, I mean I have but you know what you could do You could make a like an agreement with the guys that you work with like where everyone's gonna do a specific amount of working out Every day like you're gonna do like X amount of days a week and you have to do with each workout 20 minutes of cardio a hundred push-ups. That's cool to a built-in We've been doing better this year on the road But if you like have something like that where everybody can complain about and talk shit about and have fun with it That's when people do their best man when there's a market. They gotta like compete with it's cool It's also like a bonding experience and it's also you know, it's a shared experience It's like you're having a fun time and you're getting stuff done and it'll force you to do it Like you hold each other accountable and just do it for a month Only thing I'm gonna do for the next month is play pool. Yeah Gotta get better Okay, let's get a pool man. Yeah, I play a lot though. It's not fair. I thought I'm telling you when I say we did too Yeah a lot like too much People like to refer to it when they're talking to me that I was so be on it's crazy well There's pool that you play in a bar like on a bar table And then there's tournament pool that you play on a tight-pocketed table That when I showed up and the guy started telling me the rules I was like, I'm sorry What that's for nine ball. Of course, but we play eight ball. It's the best game in the world besides maybe like poker I love it I love it more than anything because you have to execute it's one of the rare games where it's not just knowing what to do And figuring out little puzzles that but you have to execute like you have to control your body You just put words to how I feel about it, too. Yeah, I've always thought that way. I'm like, how is this game? So damn fun. I think that's the same thing that people get with golf, you know, cuz you have to execute You have to make the shot golf man. You play golf. No, I don't but Jamie's an addict I can't do golf Jamie just got back from my tournament. I can't do golf something about it. I just can't do You'll get there. It's gotta be the shorts Just kidding. I'm just kidding. I a lot of my friends do play golf and they always try to get me to play I'm like super addictive game. That's the only reason why I've never messed with it Really? I just I don't want to get addicted like Tony Hinchcliffe and him and Ron White and a lot of my good friends are Full-on golf junkies. Really? They can't stop living in the Northeast and there's a big It's like it there's a lot of I feel like in golf you have to go out and like there's a lot of work involved in getting into golf. Mm-hmm same with like sports like Lacrosse and stuff like that. There's just like a lot of shit. You gotta have to play. Yeah golf You gotta have so many fucking clubs. Yeah, I'm supposed to have 14 or so in your bag plus your shoes Yeah, there's rules about what you got to wear out there I just thought it was annoying carrying a pool cue on the road They're taking a pool cue. 60 pound bag I feel like a dork when I do that if you walk into you're not a dork if you do that because some of my friends Do it but you walk into a bar with a pool stick. It's like yeah, I'm not and also people are like They don't want to play you at that point. I don't at least if I'm gonna bar and I got brings a pool stick in And like a glove I'm like, okay, but the thing like I never play pool much in bars That's what you're saying out there. Yeah pool halls. Yeah, that makes a difference Yeah way different yeah, maybe that's why I think I'm so damn good. Yeah, you're playing ball Emmons Yeah, yeah But a lot of pool players that are really good go to bars because people do think they're good at pool and they'll go and talk Shit hustle up man. Someone will try to gamble next thing, you know, they're walking out of there with 10 grand Yeah, I have a bunch of friends that have done that we do the dumbest shit at bars when it comes to pool Cuz wall like be drinking beers all night. It'll be like Midnight and someone's I'll bet you on this one and then like the whole bottle but get around, you know, there's a watch this play It's crazy. Yeah, it's psychotic. Yeah gambling. It's scary, dude I was in Vegas with Dana white Taylor Lewin who Will Compton who else was gambling those will will be emblant yeah, and Shane and Shane Gillis was with us and Jamie and Dana was gambling and he was down $600,000 playing blackjack. I was like No, don't do Taylor was telling us so we were backstage with Shane Shane Gillis is doing a show at the Mirage I came to hang out. We're all having a good time and then he goes. Hey, we're gonna go gamble with Dana I'm like, oh my god. Do you know how hard he gambles you gonna get? He's like, I'm up all this money Taylor's like I'm fired up Dana shows me how to bet we get there Taylor's down $120,000 in the first five minutes, but you also go the other way. Yeah, that's why It did go the other way he made his money back and he won like 65 grand I think and then he backed out he's like people just gamble on anything which is cool I do this thing every year where I go to the casino and I'll put X amount of dollars on red every time no Matter what and I've never lost which I'll probably lose now that I jinxed it But like every year once a year I'll go and put money on red just to say again like whatever casino man Man I was we were in um, I don't know we were like in um, it's freaky like in Arkansas in Oklahoma, Missouri states like that if you go to the casino I Was at the hotel like even the hotels the casinos are scary You're like, oh, I'm gonna send you something much of stains on the couches man you're like what's going on you go downstairs and like your buddies like smoking cigarettes and like With those fucking sticks on the lottery machines or what the slot machines It's like a it's like a dungeon and you're like, oh no offense anyone gambles, but it scares the shit out of me I'm like it should yeah, it triggers some things in your brain. There's certain things. This is Dana He's on vacation in the Amalfi Coast And this fucking dude brings a casino. He had a casino come on bro. Who's that kid next to him? I was that's crazy. So he's good. He's got stacks of cash That's baller man. No, it's not that's sickness Who knows he brought a goddamn casino my thing is man if you can do it You should do it if it makes you happy Wow, look at you open-minded. No way I guess I Guess the last year my life has made me like that Well, that's a good way to be no one let's it no one lets you do what you want to do or me Do what I want to do like when it comes to like socially like on the well, what do you want to do? I? Just think everything is so micro analyzed. Yeah, you know what I'm saying like there's so many it's just so many voices That's what it is great Like we were talking about earlier like if you go on social media and you read comments about you You're reading the opinions of literally millions of people there is no way they're all gonna be positive. It's like gambling man It's either one way, right? It's right the problem with social media though is the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the way it makes you feel Like when you see someone get ganged up on in the social media I've seen it happen to people where they're like they say something on a podcast that people disagree with It's some culture issue or medical issue and people get really mad at them And then you go to their timeline you see all these people hating on them. I just imagine Like what that does to your psychology to your mind when you're reading all like if you read a hundred things that like It's like you're a great guy and then one guy you fucking fraud you piece of shit. I know who you really are Oh, yeah, well being from my being from like individually it freaks me out Individually like from the inside out and also if you see someone get Ganged up fucking socially. Yeah. Yeah, what freaks me out is like what would have that person done artistically if that wouldn't have happened Right, what would have that person done for the great for the good of people? Sometimes you know, I mean Either way any on what it was I mean either way it's like fucking scary There's a thing that people do with what it is is they're terrified of it happening to them So people know it's a thing that people can gang up on people and they're tear It's the same reason why people jump people Well, like ten guys will beat up one dude Like you're terrified of that ever happening to you and when it's happening to someone else you just jump in and gang up on people So it doesn't happen to you It's like a thing that people are doing or they're so afraid of being ganged up on on social media that they just gang up The the most neurotic people are also like though oddly the most aggressive about attacking them Oh, it's weird. I saw in here like two years ago sapiens that book. Yes, I Read it because of this podcast and in that book somewhere It says that like people are only supposed to be in groups 150 people like villages Yes, yeah, and I had this rant in Denver, Colorado like two weeks ago. We played Red Rocks and And Everyone afterwards went out to the pool like pool bar and we were all just hanging out and we were walking home And I grabbed my phone Exiles fucking I mean we drank too much obviously cuz we had played Forest Hills in New York and then we went to Red Rocks and we just were celebrating because it was a big big deal to us at least and I was walking home with like eight other guys and I had my phone and I was mad screw this and I just throw it Behind me because it's scary man. There's so many fucking people right right in the palm Your hands well, you know what that's from That's from how we evolved. Yeah, that's what they think at least so some people think it's Dunbar's number Dunbar's dumb and it's it's more complicated than like 150 people. It's like there's tears of people There's people like family and very close friends and then there's like a tear above that like people that's the tears So like there's five people that you're like super close with and then there's 15 people that you're slightly less close to and then it Goes all the way out to 1,500 people and imagine the vulnerability it takes to be you or me and like in your life a lot Of people think they they know you at the 150 level, right, you know, you don't know any personally I don't know 150 people. Yeah, I taught my head. What is this one Jamie? Yeah, how many friends can a person I think about this more often than I should when it comes like looking at my phone And like seeing how many followers I have or the bullshit that comes with being socially active, you know, it's crazy well, it's something to think about because what I think is happening is human beings evolved in these tribal groups and now we're evolving a new consciousness that is actually global because It went from being in small tribes to larger communities agricultural communities cities millions of people countries and now the whole world and That's that's a completely new way of interacting with people that has never existed in the So much harder than people make it out to me Yeah, I feel like I feel like people are like taking it lightly which obviously a lot of people aren't but I don't think they're Aware of it. I think it's just something that you're kind of dealing with because it's just there You know You're tweeting and you're looking at the news and you know The news cycles now the news cycle of literally 8 billion people I haven't talked to anyone like this in like four years I'm so fucking scared man not scared of anything in particular. I'm just Not scared of the world either, but you know what I mean? I just like it wasn't worth it to me right not in a arrogant way just in a way where it was like man Why right? I'm making up I write enough music like you know me from that and right, right Why are you getting pissed off at you? Yeah about something silly. Yeah, and I went back to Oklahoma recently I've been in the Northeast for like two years three years And I went back to Oklahoma man, and I I had some time off and I just sat in the grass Sat in a field like I used to when I was a kid I was like man all that Dunkin trussle episode with you when Dunkin trussle was like man There's probably some sad sex sitting by a waterfall with yeah, he didn't know who's mad at him or who should be scared at you Remember that yeah, yeah, yeah crazy. They said that I'm like he's right man. He is a genius And I watch his episodes religiously on here because he's just so beautifully like articulated That's how he is all the time too. It's so funny because like we did two episodes kind of back-to-back We did one where we dressed as doctors, and what was the other one? I remember me the fucking Yeah, we couldn't we respect to furries cuz like they're putting work they're putting work those furries This realm of people exists how crazy somebody had a good idea the other night They're like you should make every guest dress up No matter how like how important they think there are world leaders make them put on clown costumes I don't know man, but you have to put on a I barely had I could barely put on a shirt this morning I was like what do you wear? What do you do here man? I never I never done this well I saw this Johnny Cash shirt sitting in my closet. I was like this is perfect. It was perfect shirt. It works Oh, I thought you're working out and I was like okay shit. No should have did it no I Shot bows this morning got a little workout in Kim straight here. Where do you shoot bows around here at your place? Yeah, yeah of a range no yeah, I have a range in here I can't imagine just waking up me like you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna head over and shoot some clothes. It's good for your mind Oh, it's anything you fo anything you focus yeah I mean forget about bow hunting, but just archery just archery like shooting at a target is so good for your mind. That's why Doing anything writing for comedy probably writing music yeah, dude. You're just focused right It's nice, and I wish I could just be in that state forever all the time But you don't man you gotta love it like you love sex you don't want to fuck all day every day you'd get bored true I'm there. I mean. I'm not there now. I love making music and stuff, but like even touring like playing the same songs right I love doing it because the people are so beautiful and people come to the shows are so like moved by it and I'm but like People like look at me, and they don't realize that I played the same show X amount of times, and I'm so blessed so lucky, but sometimes man I'm like halfway through my set I'm like give it all you got man give it all you got no matter no matter how many times you sang it You know yeah, you just kind of reset like those people are seeing you in many you know What I call the Joe DiMaggio principle is that Joe DiMaggio was playing once and I think he was like 40 years old And he slid in the third base and the the third baseman said why do you play so hard you're already Joe DiMaggio? And he goes because somewhere out there in the audience is someone who hasn't seen Joe DiMaggio play And I don't want to let him down my dad says that to me every time I go on stage And I think about it too I think what I do when I go on stage I look out at the audience I pick out one like kid whether whoever it is I pick out one kid who's like in it I'm like man this one's for you That's how I do it so religiously because it's kind of a paradox man because you write the music or you write a skit And you care about it so much And then every time you play it it feels like you're almost giving a little bit of it right to other people Yeah, and at one point you're singing the song and you forget so sad because you love the song so much But you've sang it so many times so when I look at the kid whoever's out there. I'm like that's it That's why I'm doing this man. Yeah, let's go cuz it means so much What does it feel like when they sing along is that wild when they know I? This year has been weird because like last year was such a like crazy year for us growth wise People used to love it now. I'm like I'm getting no arrogance attached. I'm just getting big enough to where People are like man. I go to a show's can't even fucking hear him saying because everyone's saying everyone's singing along yeah, and it scares me a little bit because I fear that like what if there's like some like 50 year old woman or 50 year old man who's like sitting in this house needs a man I'd really like to go to a Zach Brian show to hear him sing these songs Then you go to one of the shows and it's all these fucking like reckless kids Just doing it man shirtless and the fifth year old sitting back there like damn Yeah, I want to hear him sing it you know, but it's but they that they should be just taking in that experience That's what it is. You're not gonna change it. No, no way stop singing. How do you? Whoever that guy is sucks ass man. I hate that guy storm the capital. Yeah, of course Of course Of course and it's so sick man because we got we had Charles Wesley Godwin on the on the road with us like the the first year And the second year and it's like such a it felt like when I was watching him open for us or whatever I'm not even trying to plug him but when uh He would be singing and like you'd be like these weird fucking like 2000 cap 3000 cap like roller rinks And all these American venues like ever been to the bought the majestic, you know, yeah in Detroit. Yes. Yeah and The venues like in San Francisco the the Warfield You look around and all this architecture so beautiful and like you're hearing that like you're open or saying like this is a chapter in something This has got to be Something this is beautiful. There's all these like 18 to 25 year old kids just like giving their everything to like be there for you Yeah, and you're like man. This got it. This is crazy This is what you see like on on whatever you read this shit in books or whatever when I was in Greece Last week I got to see Guns N' Roses in Athens. They're always playing not in America Bro, my dad always is like I saw them in Japan. I'm like why I think they played everywhere I think really a lot in America too but of course just dumb luck that we happen to be there and I ran into Axel Rose at a restaurant and Axel invited me to the show my co shit like this is wild and we went and watched Guns N' Roses These dudes are 60 years old and just killing it murdering it for three hours. I don't get it for You know, I love that man do go off I mean do your thing but it was intense and it was like 95 degrees out We were talking about earlier how hard the road is and stuff and I see these older guys doing I'm like man What's going on? Well, Mick Jagger when the Rolling Stones were here. They played coda the circuits of the Americas My friend owns it and he was explaining to me how they brought two trailers two trailers They're just Mick Jagger's workout equipment. He yeah two trailers full of shit still moving man I mean every day that guy works out every day has to he has to like we're saying it'll kill you don't Biden's age That's crazy, bro. That's insane. He's Biden's age. I want to talk look at him out there and Doing what I do at 27. I look at this and I'm like He looks great. Yeah, and dude he's moving around You know like he's not stationary. He's not like just stay. It's not singing the songs. He's dancing as a young person man Look at him go as a young person. That's not easy. No, man. These guys because they're devoted man. Yeah, so into their and The show was epic, right? So it's at this outdoor racetrack and they have these giant fucking screens This huge stage and you're seeing Keith Richards and Mick Jagger right there. Come on right there Dude, I'm telling you was like being on drugs dude. It was like a psychedelic experience I couldn't believe they were really there those guys are so iconic sometimes I wonder if they ever think about it like do they ask themselves the same questions that I ask myself or not that sounded shitty but like Since I'm smaller obviously like watching those guys. I wonder if they came up and accidentally became Legends or like they were so young when they hit the scene you have to stop and think about the 1960s Was their dream to become massive musicians? No, I think anybody could have imagined. Yeah, it could have been the rules I'm sorry. There's no way anyone can imagine being the Rolling Stones. Yeah, you think Taylor Swift imagine She'd be Taylor. No way nobody may be you maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe her Yeah, but for most bands the idea is just to try to be successful. There's so many talented people, too Yeah, that's a freak's man being me I know like three chords on the guitar and I'm like what's up and there's so many people that like I get in these circles of these astounding musicians who aren't Nearly as big and I almost have like that. I have a real guilt You know, what the fuck am I doing? Right? Why the fuck am I on stage man? You're incredible on stage for your songwriting and your voice and I get songs man and your music too But it's like the combination of the things and it's um You know to toot your horn man, it's uniquely authentic It's just very you're very authentic music this you can kind of tell when someone's Bullshitting for whatever reason it feels like you could take like a certain amount of it Like there's a certain amount of sugar that you can take in food before it starts getting gross You know, you're like, oh, this is so sweet. That's why the writing so important. I'm like, it's man. I can't do it I'm writing is excellent. I can't listen to um um Corny writing personally, I can't well, it's like there's no comedy and you gotta like love it to love it But yeah, like people in the car with me like what the fuck are we listening to? And I'm right those an indie song I found and I'm like the pretentious asshole, you know No, I'm not know what like I usually put on like the fucking Barnyard shuffle 50 of the top hits when people are with me, but when I'm alone, you know what I found man I don't know if you've ever heard this song but My friend Brian Simpson turned me on to this song and this song should have been a fucking Gigantic hit Should have been a I mean I hear this song. I'm gonna say it to you. I'm gonna send it to you Jamie It's called I'm alive By Johnny Thunder I'm alive by Johnny Thunder here I'll share it with you Jamie man I always want to be the guy that I heard it. You got it Jamie. Listen to this man. So this is a song from 1969 I believe and it was re-released Sometimes in the 2000 they probably thought the same thing as you but this is listen to this Come on How the fuck did this make it would you hear this my friend Brian just sent it to me It's like you got a list of this Dude, you want to be on the highway right now? Fuck? Yeah, I'll be dancing right now. Let's go. Oh Shit how good is crazy so good you hear shit like this all the time. That's why I feel so bad on stage man Yeah, this is a guy from 1969 Sick cover too, man. They had it right. They had all the art, right? Yeah, I mean that too Like in the 60s and 70s everything you see is just right this one this like it's bigger. It's bigger It's so good. I'm like a guy that can do this. This is like this is like a world famous Gigantic music for ours forever someone who could do this this guy's a star What only takes once too if you put this on like whatever people are using now Yo We gotta go run around man This is on our pre-show playlist at the mothership. I'm gonna start walking out to that That's hanging out in the green room. We listen to that. Well, that's what there's a huge resurgence in music right now because of a Tick-tock and shit like that. Yeah, because people are like finding old finding old stuff which is a beautiful thing also a scary thing, but I don't even know like I know I don't know anything but um It's cool because of one person that was big or whatever use that it might be might have a brand new life Which kind of stinks for the Johnny Thunder was his name, Johnny's dead Which is in that crazy like the van gogh thing were like he knew he was gonna be a famous artist and he like I Don't know if this is van gogh or I don't know if it's another one, but there was an artist back in that era of like people who My producer Eddie he used to tell me this he said that one of those guys Painted his entire life. He would paint in like coffee shops and stuff and he would tell his buddies or whoever He would say I know one day these are gonna be these are gonna be worth something and then he like lived his life died and then 200 300 years later or 100 years later, whatever He he got famous for and so it's like that's like the whole plant a tree and watch it Like if you plant a tree, you'll never see grow. Yeah plant a tree. You never see it big Whatever that shit is. I know just you know saying yeah. Yeah, and this Johnny Thunder somehow or another it slipped by How old is he when he died? His real name was Gil Hamilton Tom Jones covered it Wow, I found a ghostface kill a song that sampled it. Oh nice But yeah, I'm trying what year did this guy it said. Well the cover was 69 his version 68 so Johnny Thunder's version was first right and then the 69 version. I've also heard Tommy James Yes, it's not as good. He had to have wrote it right obviously I don't think so. I think Tommy James and the Shondells wrote it There's a Don Fardone pardon, but if you wouldn't sang it like that man. He's yeah exactly That's a big that's a weird conflict in my head to write. That's a thing right covering thing is weird I don't cover on stage cuz I'm young I don't know right. I don't act like I'm better than a cover I just I don't know like it. Yeah what I stand by well It's like do whatever you want to do man Whatever resonates with you so but sometimes people just have a feel for a song and they want to redo it When I knew everything when I when I knew everything at like 20 or whatever I used to hear covers and be like way minor ruin in the feeling of a song that writer wrote it It means the world don't mess it up some covers are fucking amazing. I agree It was Stevie Avon's cover of voodoo child come on some of the best songs of like ever were were covered Yeah, there's some amazing Right he covered Dylan and then yeah Dave Matthews, yeah, he's seen the live one where they're all on stage you just It's nice and something recently in my life. I've like started delving into this is crazy to me that People don't even and this isn't an issue I have no problem with this but people don't even give a shit about who wrote whatever if it sounds great Which is cool in a sense But in my life even as like a writer or whatever I just now started going to the song credits like looking and it surprises me every single time because there's people who you don't think Would write something that did write it or someone who? Yeah, sounded so great covering a song that you think they wrote it and then you go to it And there's like eight people writing it you're like wait, this is crazy. You know I just found out that Mae West was a writer and Mae West got arrested for Writing I think it was a play Yeah, yeah, it was about sex there was something about sex that she got arrested for yeah, maybe I spent eight days Oh, she looks like it. She looks like a badass. Oh, she was a badass. What did she do? We actually have her couch Yeah, so the yeah mitzi owned her couch and mitzi son Gave it to me. And so that's in our green room at the the mothership. We have Mae West couch I was trying to get reupholstered it that's fucking crazy. Where was it at? It was a New York sees at mitzi's place where it wears mitzi who's me? Oh, I'm sorry mitzi Sure was the oh, that's that lady. She was the owner of the comedy store. Oh, wow. Okay members The cast of sex were hold so the the show was called sex What a powerful lady February 9 1927 Mae West The original Cardi B went backstage of a performance of her play sex and found herself surrounded by Officers from the New York City Police Department's municipal vice squad municipal vice squad which rounded up the cast and put them into black police vans West was a smart-talking wise-cracking Blonde bombshell the 1930s cinema famous for some of the sharpest and most suggestive one-liners in the history of the movies as Both a playwright and a screenwriter. She wrote many of those lines herself. She was like one of them original boss pitches. That's Like boss ladies now like Cardi B's a big one like who else it's a lot of like I guess you could say Liz. I was like a boss lady like who's a boss lady Beyonce's boss. Oh, yeah Boss lady, there's a lot of boss ladies. No, it's crazy to think I could say whatever the fuck they want They're amazing to but back then like when in Mae West time like someone who knows it was a badass lady It was unique and they didn't care who wrote a play called sex. Yeah, like in the 20s That's not surprised you get arrested for that. I think she did. I mean, I think that's why she spent eight days in jail Oh my god, I was that was what they arrested her for Yeah What was the what was the official charge? The charge was kind of interesting So much time hasn't passed since this shit's happened. Like my grandpa was born and like the twin Listen, listen to what the the charge was giving a performance not tending to advance the morals of the spectators That's wild She got arrested for giving a performance not tending to advance the morals of the spectators That's amazing because it was all backed by like back in the day. It was all everyone just was so Everyone's really religious men morally. It's also you could starve to death super easy back then. Wait, why do you say that? Obviously, yep, wait in the 20s. Yeah, dude, that was the Great Depression Like I'm a dumbass to come out of the depression 1927 was a great. I thought what year was the Great Depression? So people are still recovering from the depression my grandmother kind of never recovered from it my grandmother used to when when she died When they were cleaning out her house, they found coffee cans filled with money that was stuffed away in the walls That's what yeah, they were always worried that think 1929 The roaring 20s and stuff right 20s exactly which is so this is exactly that time period that she made that that That that play which is wild, right? Yeah, you would think people would want to go watch it I think their mind off being so depressed man. I think they had any money It also think like it was like a hopeless helpless kind of depression where everything crashed all at once like the banks collapsed Well, I was like, you know, what caused the Great Depression. It was a stock market crash, right? These motherfuckers been monkeying around with numbers that's it for a hundred years I know right they've been fucking everything up for that long making insane amounts of money for that long insane amounts of money like that game that financial banker game like Being from Oklahoma you hear a lot about like the dustbowl and shit too when the Great Depression came by and I'm like How much shit did people have to go through man, right? Cuz it was like, I don't know like I'm not a historian I'm sorry, but I know You hear shit about like the Great Depression in the dustbowl hitting Oklahoma at once and I'm like bro Imagine complaining about how your coffee tastes, you know like in the morning for us. It's like These people would wake up and like have to fucking be be just in the Great Depression and like lift their plate up But yeah, it's just nuts to think about bro. I mean, there's a great Book rather a biography of this guy. I think his name was Danny McGurty I think it's called the McGurty life of a pool hustler and this guy was a pool hustler in during the depression And he talks about being like so hungry just knocking on people's doors and begging for food Just no shit going from town to town being broke trying to hustle people out of money He wrote a book he obviously succeeded at one point right? No, they wrote a biography of him I think a guy named Robert Byrne wrote the book just find it. I Have it at home. I was telling you but it's like you're just you're absorbing like this that that those times were so Hopeless hopeless and that's which is a scary place to be and it's surprising the more people This is really dark to say but it's surprising the more people just didn't go off the deep end and like just cared You know, that's I'd have this I think I talked to you about it last time I'm fucking annoying man. I tell my friends about this all the time like on the bus I Lived in New York for a little bit and I lived like by the Empire State Building just because I wanted I thought I was Some fucking I don't know I just wanted to get out of Oklahoma for a little bit and go somewhere that I'd never been before So I moved to New York City and I lived by the Empire State Building and every morning I would look up and see the Empire State Building and one time my dad came in to visited me and we went up and I was like I'm a dork when it comes to like touristy stuff. I love it We had our I love New York shirts on our hats and you're up. They have you ever been in Empire State Building? Yes, they have that simulation where it's like You go in that floor and you see all these like hardened men Like building and riveting the fucking oh, yes, and man people were coming from Like Iowa and California wherever the hell look at this guy adjusting that bolt dude It's probably making a dollar a day people don't have this anymore I don't think they don't have the thing where you're like you're like struggling away and your family is whatever kind of person that could Do them this like an athlete that you have to be we talked about there was a guy recently We talked about on the podcast that today this day fix his shit like that. I don't know what country he was in I don't know if it was America or somewhere else But this dude was climbing these fucking beams these metal beams like an athlete. I was watching him do it I'm like I can't do that. So not only is he skilled but he's carrying tools and he could physically do things that I can't do I'm watching him watch this guy Okay. Well, there's another guy that's doing the same kind of thing. Look he's got a harness on the other guy didn't have a harness There's no way like regulations will let somebody that in America is probably somewhere else that daisy now is fucking wild You ever you ever seen like linemen? Oh now he doesn't have a helmet people People who work on lines and stuff like the power lines is the Michaels did that growing up? That's why I wear dog Martins cuz my grandfather wore him and he put his spikes on And my cousins and shit just climb poles like in 20 seconds They go up there and they're just like touching shit that can kill him all day and you're like, oh my god It's crazy and they do that man. It's nuts. You ever I was watching this I don't know it was a balloon or something that flew into these power lines and holy shit Exploders dicks below did just as jagged. I think it was my lard balloons or something like that They flew into these power lines. Is that what it is? Oh These are other balloons that are cops this guy has to imagine just thinking you have to touch that thing even knowing that it's not Gonna get you understanding how electricity works. Imagine wanting to be in contact with that amount of dude You ever seen that guy who does it like in like Montana? I don't know where it was But he like flies on a helicopter and he like gets in a basket and has this stick and he like puts it out there For lightning? Yeah Oh, no, not for lightning, but he's like fixing the bow people don't think about where the power come like all the power and these This dude just does it out of a helicopter. Yeah, he's like hanging off a helicopter. Just like Yeah, this guy's the exact thing man. I look this shit up cuz my uncle's do it and I'm like, no So, what is he doing? Someone's gotta fix them when they go down and stuff like that when this is so wild dude It's crazy. This guy has to climb on these things and oh, yeah It's a big economic thing in Oklahoma. What is he doing? He's gonna climb in that. Yeah, what the fuck, bro And that thing will just kill you man, dude Well, yeah, you know those Kevlar. I don't know if this is right man I'm not a lineman but look at that guys going the other you know those Kevlar suits that like shark people wear They wear the same thing the metal thing. I think I don't know if it's the same shit So you don't get really gonna stop you from getting shot Well, it just prevents its conducts a lot so it goes around your body opposed to in it That's what that thing's doing. I think thin little cloth that you have. Yeah crazy man. Oh people do shit like that That's why those Empire State Building guys are so crazy. Well, those guys just died some guy who's one of those climbing skyscraper daredevils in that photo We're eating lunch. No, it was I don't know someone. It's Kelly Slater just sent it to me. What was that? That's why I don't get I respect it a lot 30 years old he fell off a building. Oh, it's so sad He plunged 68 floors. Oh It was last seen knocking on window outside. I Wonder why he was knocking because he wanted to get in of course figure out how to get in you fucked up That's scary closed the window. He climbed out somebody closed the fucking window. Oh man, I Wouldn't be in disrespectful. I was one of white and just like I think I'm just gonna see you even climbs up that he can't I Don't want to be I don't know what happened man. I don't know what happened I don't know if he just climbed out on the lens. Oh my worst fear bro. You're gonna throw you ever been I'm a mother so sweaty right now. Just look at the Golden Gate. Don't do this to me. I can't do it Don't do this. I'm not I'm not a high guy either not now not after that guy just fell have some respect. That's him I don't show that's sad. Don't show me. That's great. Don't show me this. That's crazy I don't get rock climbers at all, but I've had Alex Honnold in a couple of times. He's a fascinating guy I respect that I've watched all of his stuff and the Jimmy Jimmy chin. I follow him on Instagram Mm-hmm. He's like always not to take away from Alex Honnold, but do Jimmy chin I like follow him on Instagram in my own tunnel, but do Jimmy chin like follow him on Instagram Getting into Antarctica water and fucking skiing down mountains. I'm like, bro. What is your? How are you you just do this man? It's crazy He's just doing nothing what wild nothing but wild shit and I think that's beautiful and he has he has such amazing footage And it's so cool to me that people can just devote their lives to showing that kind of did you ever see the alpinist? Yeah, yeah sad sad, but also I mean wild it's sad that his love but blew my mind just the the Experience he had in the small amount of time that he was alive We're so over the top to a normal person how old is Alex? Alex Honnold if I had to guess what would you say Jamie? 32 37 and he was like the alpinist. I'm not comparing the two at all But how old was the key wasn't the key? What do you think it was pretty young? He was 18. Yeah or something crazy Well, he was getting so bored with free solo climbing that he was ice pick climbing Our glaciers. Yeah, so there was overhangs like these massive I the videos you see him where he was just in these climbing up these fucking things You're either Dude, that is the crazy. I say it's a cloud. It's so insane Imagine the straight to me who's doing he was doing this shit Wait, is this the alpinist commercial? Yeah, this is the I mean he was climbing things that nobody was climbing and what stinks the most is Yeah, look and he had like that the girlfriend who like loved him so much and that she was so sweet about it She was like, it's what he's it's what his passion is But there's certain people that are just wired way different He did all that crazy shit and he did such an amazing climb and things then he was just with his buddy in Alaska doing it I don't know if this is true But like a simpler climb and that's when he passed away and I'm like man that's got to be I don't know if it was Simpler because they died in like an avalanche. That's so that's hard work I think I think he was climbing some insane peak when he died. I want to say it was in Argentina Where was it? Where was it when he died? I think where it was, but it was crazy like they couldn't retrieve his body I remember watching the alpinist and watching the whole film and like at the end It was like it just hit you with it. Yeah, and at the end you're like what the way what what? Yeah Yeah, wait, what happened? What are you doing? It was crazy. Oh, this is it was Alaska Okay So after summoning a new route in Alaska's Mendenhall towers with partner Ryan Johnson The pair sent messages to friends and family from the summit but disappeared while descending after being hit by a storm Search and rescue teams discovered the ropes several days later in a crevasse How do you say that crevasse near the base of the route leading to speculation that the duo was struck by a falling rock a core I don't know what a cornice is or an avalanche while descending. Well, you know a Cornice, what is that? I'm just kidding Cornice though, the bodies were never recovered. So they only found like ropes were a corny. So that is so heartbreaking And they were trying to call the family and friends massive hardened snow at the edge of a mountain precipice Oh interesting imagine just saying that and casual learn something every day You know people expecting people to know what you mean like how pretentious that guy's an asshole man Guys, there's already the guys talking down to you man. Yeah, I'm sure the worst kind of person. Yeah A corny. Oh, yeah, everybody knows that bro. Hey, man. Everybody knows what that is. This is what I this is what I know Yeah, it's common snow terms for a thousand. I rock climb like two times in my life and I was like, I was sitting I can't do I can't are you guys are you scared of heights? Yes, that's interesting. Yes. I'm fearful of dangerous things Whoa dangerous? Oh My god, I was saying man these guys that camera that cameras like a typewriter This has a goddamn thing bro. I fear that we'll never get Slippery ass leather shoes does shit like that anymore. Who's that determined? Human beings they built the Empire State Building in two years. Sorry for interrupting leave. Sorry for interrupting, but they really two years, man Yeah, dude, that's what I'm talking about about the Empire State Building That was such a beautiful fucking dream and ethic and people from like Iowa and shit We're like going to New York to build it because it was such a beacon of hope hard and the times create hard Yes hard men create easy time and it's so easy to think now being in my position or whatever like Oh, man, I wish I had a Empire State Building to build but sometimes I got a song on the new album called tradesmen sometimes I wish man that I was like just doing something they gave purpose, you know and obviously music does and it's amazing that I get to do what I get to do but Yeah, one year and 45 days less than two years wrong a year in a month when I saw that 30s man Imagine how determined men had to be bro or women like to but fucking a well It was all men doing that construct of course But the people at home and things like that who were taking care of those guys Like yeah, and obviously I say that with what I'm saying But just the human beings that were involved in the actual maneuvering and construction of that thing like those are that's Extraordinary human hard hard men man who like wouldn't stop for anything and they knew what they were doing died How many people died during the construction of the Empire State Building? They knew what they were doing was a yes What do you think how many died? Okay, fair enough sorry, I thought you're gonna give me the answer 3400 17 deaths 17. Yeah, I say 17 84 whoa, I'm gonna say 84. Okay. That's pretty high Five five see that's even more incredible in the fall were struck by accidents over the 13 months of construction Slip and fall in the 30s you would think they all fell off So in one year four dudes fell from the sky and just splattered on the concrete Bro, and I wonder I wonder everybody else has to go to work the next day and they can't I feel like back in the day People were like Don't talk about it cuz if they talked about it I bet I bet if they talked about it like people would be too scared to do it I think they just accepted the inevitability they were devoted Is what I'm trying to like being in the Navy and things like that man like when you not to be that fucking guy but um Like you see you you have like kids working for you 18 and 19 year old kids and you see like the Just how people work nowadays is a little bit different same same goes to me. I'm not any better I'm just saying those people who are building the Empire State Building were so devoted to the one task at hand and they fucking did It in a year and 45 days those are different humans They are truly One of the first incidents occurred while the building was still under construction a worker who was fired from the job took his own life But jumping down an open elevator shaft oh Well, when was it built? Oh my god Oh my god, that's the great departure like 29 day it opened in 1931. So there we go What a beacon man for these fucking for America because that was the tallest building in New York I think oh my god to build that and be like oh, yeah Americans did that We did that man. Holy shh? What someone jumped from the 86th floor and didn't die Oh There's a strong gust of wind blew her body back towards the building and she only felt like one floor yo I'm good, man. I'm not going anymore. I'm not going anymore man. No, that doesn't make any sense Have you ever been just as the sheer amount the lucky one? So but the the gust of wind had to be coming up under her was she lucky? I wonder what she was like after it gets windy up high. I'll tell you right right, right But does it is it possible that like a hundred plus pound person could be? Slowed down by the wind to the point where they don't die doesn't sound right. Maybe it seems I never know man. You ever you ever done it? I Have not knows that's crazy Crazier shit's happened people have fallen out of planes and survived like sky jumper. I mean Okay, I just might have been a big legend. She didn't you know, she didn't jump out for your skydo She landed on a three-foot ledge about 20 feet below. Okay, so she felt 20 feet Yeah, but it says she was on the 85th floor jump from 86 and land on 85. All right now I mean just crediting that's what the lucky I mean, that's what this says also. I'm trying to find the year So she was found laying on the ledge see 85th for ledge that is the lucky one. I bet you was fine Good Lord one time I felt 35 feet man That's far. I broke both my both my wrist both my collarbones is crazy Oh shit, and I'm a buddy Graham my guitarist now I was like I was like a 15 he had to carry me up a mountain Oh my 35 not a mountain 35 feet ledge on a river. It was nuts. Oh, it's crazy It was a ropes. You do a ropes link. Yeah, I can do a river. Mm-hmm Man, I thought I was so tough. They were like we were young there was girls there. I'm like, man I'm gonna go the tallest rung I'm gonna do this a bunch of boys being boys and like I climbed to the very top and tied it off and I Went off forgot to untie it. Yeah, I just immediately stopped and rolled Down like rocks and oh and I landed man. This is why this is crazy. But this is why one of the reasons why I like believe in God because I went and rolled and tumbled and my my head landed I Exactly where we'd been putting our feet all day long So it was indented so I bought like both my collarbones broke because I landed in that hole and Hit like that and it's crazy and I got up and I didn't even feel it I was in so much shock and I went to climb up and my wrist popped out. It was great. It was nuts, man I never forget it, but we see both both on my sophomore year in high school, man. I had like two casts. I was in a wheelchair Yeah, it was crazy. How long do you have to keep them on for? One of my arms was in a cast for like three months and the other one was like I think Probably like two two weeks three weeks. Holy shit. I'll never forget it, man. It was holy shit Isn't it wild how when you get injured you should so appreciate not being injured You don't realize when you're running a lot when I'm running a lot sometimes I eat this weird fucking feeling of like oh man You got legs right? This is cool. This is cool. And I'm not obviously Obviously, I mean that with sensitivity to anyone who can't run or anything But sometimes I'm running I'm like wow, this is so beautiful that we can they use our fucking Legs and things like that to move and yeah, if you're able-bodied person, you're super lucky. You're solely like So 0 0 5% of whatever people realize it once they get injured once they get injured. That's when they start going Oh my god, I'm vulnerable like I could be in pain all the time. Yeah in this thing now That's it. Yeah, like any anytime I've ever been sick. I felt like that too. I'm like man, I can't believe we're just in a constant state of like I Guess at a younger age being okay and what we were talking about earlier like working out As much as you can because old age is scary and I'm 27 But when I think about being older and I think about like arthritis and like all the shit that happens like your parent Like our parents when they get sick and stuff. It's like her grandparents. My man. You got to take advantage of it now Yeah, there's no matter how who you are when you're 98 you're fucked. Yeah, then that's scary Yeah, like what's the most fit 98 year old person? I saw this find the most fit 98 year old person I saw this video the other day about like a hundred two year old climbing Yosemite and he climbed it with his granddaughter I was like, whoa, that's crazy. I just think I was gonna be gone or by like 40 not in a dark way But maybe they just want if they want to die. Why not die doing something they love. I agree It's how a lot of people feel about a lot of stuff and I don't know how I don't know Did you ever see the documentary dirt bag? It's about this famous climber who was just like this legendary climber I forget his name, but he basically just like slept in sleeping bags and slept on people's couches I'm a man for didn't give a fuck about anything but climbing and Mapping out his climbing roots and like I'd like these detailed maps of the roots and it's a Fred Becky and no one can say he was wrong, which is crazy Play some of this because in the beginning it's really interesting to hear him talk In the beginning like him talk in my head. I thought he was young. That's crazy. What's that Jamie? Okay, I can listen that song again man, it was great Oh So this dude was like oldest father lifestyle created his own culture he became a culture of one It's a grandfather sick video. Wow His name is everywhere he was there before the rest of us work That's sick more about the mountains of North America than anyone has ever lived One track mine most of the time it wasn't on women. It was on climbing Fred was lively and addictive. There's some sort of magnetism there Our relationship Detiliated because he continued to climb and I did not climb anymore Fred was only focused on climbing and he Never felt sorry for you if you're climbing ended up in a divorce Whoa, totally obsessive. That's who Fred is. He's just sleeping on the ground. Yeah everywhere Some people may think it's a dimension of our cruise ship to the Mediterranean to me. It's no adventure at all Let's somebody bombs the ship They founded companies they like movie stars for a lot that was to imagine how many people are like this Why did the best climber of all never go on to the greatness that they all did He's a dirtbag and because of that. I don't think he'll get the recognition that he really deserves It's a really good documentary that's not recommended enough it's fast we did it come one more few years ago I saw it. I don't know what year came out That's wild Cuz I never go. It's really good sleeps on the ground What I think about is he just never stopped wanting to do that one thing and for some reason that like haunts people Is that a bad thing or a good thing you think what here's what's weird if you saw him? Sleeping on the ground like that and he was 20 years old you go. Oh, you know, he's a kid Yeah, still living his life Why is it when you see him when he's 70 years old like that is it so sad because we have a thing everyone has to Bye-bye in our lives, you know, right which I think is I don't know. I think it's good for us It's good to have that thing. Yeah, I think it's good to like evolve past Not if you're that guy I guess that's what I was asking like who knows what's right I think we have to realize that everyone is not wired the same no matter what we think and everyone thinks everyone should be Yeah, everyone thinks that everyone should be wired Exactly the way they are and then when they aren't there they're pissed. Yeah, it's just not the case They want to control. Yeah, it doesn't work that way want to control. Yeah, it's how I feel with them Everything sometimes that's why I get so frustrated with people because everything I do someone has an opinion or whatever And I'm like this seems like you just want me to be Who I'm not when it comes to these these sorts of things. That's just you're Probably if I had a guess you're probably taking in too many opinions. Of course, man You know, you should probably have as little opinions coming in as possible. I think you know what you're doing deal In a crazy man's not stay away from other people's ideas But also like I feel like people didn't grow up in this I feel like people this is a whole new world now Yeah, like when I was talking to a when I was talking to Travis I respect him after talking to him things like that and we were talking and he was telling me about all these things and I was like I feel and Indifferently I was like man. I feel like we live in two different realms of Music and things like that because I feel like the world's so different now from when The whole Nashville scene was back then and it's just funny to get to talk to other people and hear about their experiences and how they I Don't know. What is it? What's the big difference? um, I Feel like radio was a huge thing. It might still be but I feel like radio was a really really big deal back in the day And it's it's be it's still a big deal, but it's becoming smaller and smaller and smaller Yeah, nobody really I mean, I'm sure some people do but the amount of people that listen to radio now has to be I've been Surprised by lately because I've been going to the lake and stuff Oh, yeah, like birthday parties and things and I've heard a lot of radio and I'm like, oh wait people I guess people still listen to the radio. Can you make radio sound good? Like it was always like a lower quality signal, right Jamie HD radio now, but it's still using the same technology, you know still spreading out radio waves But is it as good sounding as like like a streaming XM sounds better, right? Sure. Yes, and then streaming is the best sound It's all compression. It's gonna be people really care though. Most don't I just want to hear it loud turn it up. That's crazy about like writing music and stuff like that because The first records and stuff. They were so bad We recorded on like one at like this this kind of microphone and we didn't know what we were doing So everything just kind of sounded shitty, but it was like a like renewed my like faith in humanity because no one gave a shit They were like no these are good songs man. We like them. It's authentic. Yeah, it was cool Yeah, there's something to be said for things being not that professional. Mm-hmm, you know, it's like it shows you more of who the person is I agree. Yeah, as long as it's legit Right. Yes, the worst thing is fake authenticity. You say you say that but like there's like all the rate man Man I don't think people give a shit man that that much at least like people like the songs on the radio and things like that They're all Well, there's two different things going on. I think there's people that are making songs that they think are going to be hits And then there's people that are making songs because they want to create something special I think there's two different things that are happening and Some people are really good at that one thing where they make hits and they make these kind of catchy songs And maybe they don't resonate with you, but they resonate with enough people that they become real successful But it's like and I you know It gets to do all kinds of different levels like it gets to like the Millie Vanilli level Right, or they created a fake band and they have these guys go out and lip-sync it. That's insane Yeah, I like those more acceptable back in the day I feel like people are really hitting on the whole like real in this thing nowadays when back in the day I feel like there were just mega stars who just did whatever like me like all the lip-syncing and things like all the Still do that today. Some people do right? I think I really know like I've seen Oh didn't Cardi B throw a microphone She got very angry. She's a two microphones though. I saw was the music still playing drink Yeah, she was great rapping if you will over her track without the vocals taken out which they do sometimes it's very yeah It's very like it's very gray It's like a gray area for me, but I don't it doesn't make sense to me because when I play is Sorry, why the girl through the no, but they also like Getting way too deep some contracts. They might not pay for you to do the real performance They might just pay for that and you have a different fee for that performance kind of thing because it's still less Risk of a big thing for them. Yeah less risky. They're not it was like daytime in Vegas Do people get mad when you do that in Vegas in the daytime party? Why would you you're not you know? Do you remember when there was a girl who got caught doing that on silent? Well, that's what I was talking about when I brought it up the whole like some conspiracies behind lip syncing and stuff. Yeah today production is so like fucking in everything that like people will just say they're like It's a backtrack when in reality. It's like a lot of their performance. Mmm, and there's like a word for it now So it's okay. I think man. I've never liked Did like dove into it or anything? But it's kind of sucks when I got my boys up there like trying to bust in their ass fucking trying to hit every single Note, right? Right, which is a lot of beautiful bands who still do that to this day But you you hear about like a lot of like click tracks and shit like you're in ears and it's like, oh man We we we rehearsed a lot to make this sound Almost as good as that, you know, it's a playback track or whatever. It's crazy Yeah, that's a weird controversy. I guess with people right and I forget words all the time Which is crazy. Like I was at a festival like two weeks ago and I was playing in front of fucking 25 30,000 people when I was playing and I literally blanked on it and I had no I had nothing I got nothing Oh my god, and I'm like, what'd you do? I just said hey, I forgot the I'm gonna restart it I forgot the words and if people were like, yeah, I mean it makes sense to me, but it's such fuck It's like it blows people's minds. I'm like, no, I'm singing this stuff I guess also cool for the people too because you get to see something that's rare, you know Just a regular performance which is silly people are so inhuman to me when it comes like watching people perform I'm like how the fuck how are they doing it? You know, yeah, because when I'm performing I like I'm like going crazy in my head Have you ever taken anything from memory like nootropics or anything like that You know what those are? I do eyes are every time Budweiser will do a different thing. Yeah Yeah, I don't know if Budweiser is bad for your memory, but I don't think it's good Can't be another guy said Huberman said it kills you. Yeah, it's a nose man relaxing. Yeah, it's crazy But there's a bunch of different things That are called nootropics and they're vitamins nutrients that you could take that actually helped your memory They help brain function my buddy Austin. He takes them all the time. Yeah, he makes it a huge deal when he does do He doesn't like he jokes about it man, he like take one and be like hey guys, I'm on on it right now I can do anything you want. It's crazy man, but I've never felt like I needed to I feel like I've done a pretty good job of like remembering every word I've ever written when it comes to being on stage But you're not even just for that. It's like it increases whatever The fuck is going on in your head when you're conscious, you know, like, you know how you're You're awake and you're alive and you know, but you vary day by day You vary and like how well you can talk you vary how well you think you vary and how much energy you have what nootropics do for me is they can get you to a point where like there's less of the negative and much more of the like Communicating and being able to think and being able to remember things at the the peak of your abilities Well, you want to be closest to that we joked about taking one before I came on here Yeah, cuz I take one I think that I like six I think six at a time those alpha brains cuz I like being cool I mean you like everyone likes being quick waited when it comes to just speaking and communicating and things like that I just like my brain working better. I guess like sometimes you feel fucking foggy That's what I mean when I said I forgot the fucking song that I've sang a thousand times and you do it You do you fucking idiot? I'm sure and every time I get off stage and my holy shit, but that's touring too, right? You're getting worn out. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, like how many months have you been? It's like the longest run you've done at the beginning of the year when you saw us in Austin to step in started our Like Europe run into the May run, which was like 60 days. It was Sorry, it was absolutely insane at the end of it We we ended a rail bird in Kentucky and I just laid in the grass and I was like Thank God, it's crazy man. But then you see fucking Mick Jagger and stuff doing it. You're like, man. Why am I complaining? You know, you're like get on stage bro. I don't think make drinks anymore That checks I've been there too. Well, it's been a weird. It's been a weird conflict in my head because I Don't like take anything. I don't like take pills or anything and that getting getting on stage is scared I mean like normal pill like like beta block that they keep you from freaking out But dude, I have like have you ever taken those? Uh, no, I've always wondered like I've taken I've I just lied Yeah, I've taken them one time and I took them and I was like this feels weird, man I'm not like in it because I get really bad stage fright Like super bad stage fright and I like but then as soon as I'm on stage when I was sick I don't know where it comes. So it's right before Every time just before and I just like my whole body locks up and I'm like you can't do this you can't do that Oh shit, we're doing it. Oh, okay. Cool. And then I'm doing it. I'm like, why are you freaking out? I think it's just cuz you love what you do. You want to do it great. Yeah, nervousness is a good thing I think there's certain amount of nervousness is a good thing and I'm great. I'm grateful for it. Yeah puts you on edge Truly, it's nice because your performance is like the one I saw you live you're so hyped up man So it was really exciting. It was really fun. And if you have to be nervous before every show to accomplish that exactly I just want to be hungry man, you know, like I miss ya I don't miss it cuz I still am but I just always want to feel that I always want to feel like I'm proving something Every single time you can keep that I know I know and it's been beautiful to see that over the last three years Cuz I thought at this point I'd be like, oh It's beautiful. It's cool. I think if you love what you do you can keep it I think there's just as you're gonna get more and more successful. It's gonna get more complicated your life will get more complicated gets more intertwined and it gets more public and you're you know, you're gonna experience a lot of Success and when you experience a lot of success then it becomes weird and then you have to readjust I'm dealing with that new way of life readjust this new, you know new amount of pressure that people have on you to adapt Yeah, that it's crazy to think man. I remember like when it all first started. I was like, oh, this is it I did it Yeah, it was like two months in I had no I had no idea I got it I got a steak dinner bought for me by like a label or something I was like man if all I get from this is steak dinner, then I did it and it's just it's been really beautiful I like watching unfold and see how it all worked out That's awesome. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy Yeah, this is a crazy story, right? It is Yeah, and being in the Navy for like nine years beforehand is even crazy cuz no one ever talks about that I'm like I busted my ass man I was I was like in Africa and fucking Bahrain and stuff and I was like, what'd you do in Africa and Bahrain? I was a this is a this is a crazy story in itself, but I Won't tell the whole thing. Tell the whole thing Shit Okay, so I'm hoping a second bud light. Yeah, like I said about my dad. He was in the Navy for like 25 years So I was uh, hey, man. Look at you. Hey, man dork, bro I've always loved dress blues though. It is sick. You ever that song dress blues by Isabel? No, you gotta let it's beautiful it's beautiful, but um My dad was in the Navy for like 25 years and my mom was in the Navy Like I said earlier my grandpa was in the Navy and so growing up when I was like 14 years old I was like man. I'm gonna be in the Navy. That's all I want to do I want to like die for this country man is best country in the world. I want to be in it I want to experience that whole like Empire State Building thing where you're devoted to something. Yeah And so I turned 17 and my dad was a recruiter in Oklahoma and I was like, okay cool So he like helped me get recruited and I was supposed to go in the Navy as a diver But Shit fell through my dad was like it'll be fine You'll get the boot camp and they'll ask you if you want to be a diver and then you could just say yes And it'll be fine So okay sick. This is like get on a fucking bus and I'm like, let's do this and I was nervous I was scared man. I was terrified because I was like a kid. You don't really know what to expect in the military and I like end up at boot camp, which is crazy and I was terrified and then I realized it was all just Kind of routine and stuff like that and I got out of boot camp Actually, no, that's not the whole story. I was trying to be a diver and and One day they were like, hey, you're gonna get to You're gonna get to reclass what you're doing and they gave me like two options and it was like be a master at arms, which is like a cop in the military or be a Aviation ornaments men which is like the dudes who like load the bombs and things on planes And I was pissed at my dad. I was like what the hell man? I thought you said I was gonna get to be a diver. I called them. I'm like, dude, you suck man. And So my buddies were all aos which in the Navy they're all fucking made fun of because they're all like big old dumb idiots and Then I became an ao and I went to a school to be an ao and it was amazing, man I met some of those beautiful people I've ever met. I've learned more than I've ever learned but while I got stationed in Nebraska and And I hate I hate this I'm not gonna I'm not gonna oversell this because I don't want to sound tough but I trained to be a SEAL for like two years with this guy named senior chief Lundquist out of Omaha, Nebraska and I trained really really hard. I took a bunch of these PST's and I would call my mom every day She would ask me how far I ran how far I swam how how many like how much I lifted and shit and Then I don't take it lightly there. I never I'm not tough. It never happened but I Wanted to go to buds really bad because like I said, I wanted to do something that was a greater than myself And then the day the day my package came back for the seal the buds thing My mom had died and I was like, well fuck man. This sucks This is crazy and all the while I was an ao and I hate it. I hated it I was like, oh shit now I got to be an ordinance man and When she passed away I was like man, I don't want to do that I don't want I don't really want to pursue that so I bitched out for sure And I wish I wouldn't have sometimes but like life is crazy and my chief My chief who's like high ranking he looked at me and he was like man, you want to go out there and die or something? Why do you want to do this so bad? And I was like, I guess you're right and It's one of those stories in my life where I kind of I look back and I'm like man if things would have been different What would have happened? But uh She passed away and then I moved to Washington to be an ordinance man. Then as soon as I fucking landed in Washington They sent me They sent me to the desert this Bahraini desert to like learn how to like build missiles and load missiles crazy And it was sick man. It's beautiful so I was you had to build missiles as in like load them or as in like disassemble and Reassemble or and this is this is different from EOD There's explosive ordnance disposal and then there's aos which aos are kind of just like the little tiny baby cousin of not even They're not even connected EOD. There's some badass guys Aos are just to do to build load arm and arm the bombs that are on the planes that are taken off Just but just build bombs. No big deal. Yeah, it's cool man. It's neat and but fucking It's crazy. So I was in the desert man. I was fucking like 19 years old like oh shit. Okay, I'm here and I was like I was a sand sailor for sure. I never I never like was on a ship and So that was my first deployment and I fell in love with it. I wanted to do it like always I was like this amazing. I had this really great gunner gunners like your your officer above you And he just inspired me so much to be the best that I could be like every day So I go into work and dude, I was a fucking kiss ass like in the Navy Everyone hated me. So I was like, let's do it. Let's go to war man. Let's go and we're just doing simple shit like eating dinner you know and But I fell in love with it and I wanted to do it forever and so We would like launch planes out and like do the keys and shit to arm the missiles that took off and things like that And I forgot what your name question was. I'm so sorry Like at the very beginning. I Don't remember what the exact question was either. Oh, yeah, just being in the Navy in general and What were you talking about? We're talking about something in specific. I know civic story exactly Now I said I didn't want to tell the whole story and then I'm god damn it Oh, I was just saying that I was in for like nine I was in for like nine years and no one ever talks about that shit now And I was like but and then I went to Djibouti Africa, which was crazy That's right. Ask you about Africa and I want to ask you about Bahrain. Yeah, that's that's what started it Yeah, and then I was in Africa for like did I've been in Africa like a year in my life I was deployed there twice and it's like I loved every second of it So I'd wake up at 5 a.m. Number 5 a.m. Every morning and like go eat breakfast. Go like load your plane Go eat lunch. How what part of Africa were you in Djibouti? And where's that the horn? It's a ride on the edge Life no, we were stuck on the base. Oh Life, no, we were stuck on the base the whole time. You can't even go off the base. It's crazy It's gonna camp lumen here. Yeah, and it's but it's cool though cuz there's like eight gyms man and like food That's all you do and you're as happy as you're happy as fuck cuz it's so simple that is wild And you go to breakfast workout go do your job workout That's what it looks like. No way Little shitty where we were man is cool And you do so you're just on the base and that's it Yeah, and then every every more like whether there's like cluster bombs or whatever you'd like go you'd go Assemble them or load them and shit and it was it was really crazy yeah, and then Like I said that one day I just like ended up like it was overnight one day I just went to fucking Jacksonville, Florida and was playing my guitar on Twitter and it's like Blew up and then my chief was like hey, man, this is crazy. You got a fucking I Think they were scared that I would show up to work and just be like Fuck you guys, man. I don't need this, you know, never happened I would never do that because I was so devoted to being in the Navy But they thought you they were losing all power over exactly which is crazy to think about man, and I had this fucking My My gunner one day comes up to me and he's like hey man, this is getting crazy You gotta get out of the Navy I'm like, okay, whatever do I have to and he's like, yeah I was like, I'd rather not and he's like, okay too bad. And then he was like, okay You'll be out of the Navy next week and I'm like That's crazy. All right been doing this for eight years now and Then it took eight months To process me out of the Navy and it was crazy because every day I would go into work and think like oh This is my last day in the Navy cool for eight months This is my last day in the Navy Cool for eight months is my last day You gotta work as hard as you possibly can man make it count make it count make it count and every day I'd go in and just bust my ass and then Dude fine like six months in I'm like I'm in the fucking Navy forever man. Sounds good. She you know, right? Why is that? Is that just standard for paperwork? It's never happened. It's never like I think don't quote me But like Elvis Presley was the last guy who got like honorably discharged out to make music And I'm not I'm not like being arrogant in that either. I think that's true and It just never happens like that There's been a lot of stuff with them like NFL players who were like at the Academy the Naval Academy Who like are really gonna football and getting drafted the NFL they have to like get transferred out and stuff like that But it's never happened like some Joe shit the ragman AO like me and that's what I knew it wouldn't do when my gunner called me that day and he's like pack your bags. I Was like holy. Oh, this is that serious. I called my dad I thought he was gonna be disappointed because He was a master chief and stuff and I was supposed to be a master chief My dad had like a bottle of whiskey when I was a kid that said Master Chief Brian on it for me when I made Masterchief Wow, I thought when I called my dad he'd be disappointed, but he was like I might come home do it And I thought it would flop. I thought I thought I'd be nothing in the year. You were already successful online Yeah, exactly. Exactly But I still I still I never like played a show or anything and then we went like I got out of your first one Oh, yeah, what was it was the pageant in st. Louis, Missouri? How many people? There wasn't a very first one. This is unfair to say like my best friends in Washington when I was in the Navy I used to play at this place called uh, I Used to play like shitty acoustic sets at this place called Off the hook where I got all the sailors went like on the weekends and shit they like and My best friends Austin and Kramer they used to come to the bar and watch me these two fucking dudes Looking at me play and every time I'd finish a song they'd clap for me man Cuz they're they're real friends, you know, and that was like the very first show I ever played but the pageant in st. Louis I got out of the Navy and Here's what's weird for me because musicians have a I'm talking way to Usually a pipeline which drives me Usually a pipeline which drives me crazy. I don't know why but they have a pipeline of like oh Man, I played small bars and then I played bigger small bars and then I played the bigger bigger small bars and then I went to medium venues and then I went to Bigger medium venue and they have this like thing with it. They're proud of it. Of course, huh, which I would be too That's a journey. But when I got out of the Navy, I was already like there So I like hopped on a fucking tour bus. I like hey, you're going to the pageant in st. Louis play How many people is that? I think 2,000 2500 Wow, which was crazy for me Cuz I never played a shame people blame me a lot for this like they get mad at me and I'm like, bro I didn't fucking do this. I didn't mean for this to happen and why they mad at you I agree and it freaks me out too. And I just like I wish I could just I wish I could just like talk to people I'm like, hey man. This is all there's a phrase that I've heard that I've repeated way too much But I'm gonna say it one more time This I forget who said this but we'll look it up all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs So people who feel like they should be you people feel I'm an arena shit I was thinking that before I got here Yeah, there's something to that. There's something to like what what you do with your energy if you're a big old hater Marshall Rosenberg father of nonviolent communication said that every criticism judgment diagnosis and expression of anger is the Tragic expression of an unmet need peace requires that we develop the skills to recognize the needs feelings and values that influence our Perspective so that we can respond Forget what it's not um, well with the rest of the article says that's just the highlight but whatever it is Oh through your spot appropriately Often we react to situations people that push our buttons that have recognized them that our emotions are simply a guide to uncovering the unmet Needs inside instead of looking outwards in blame and judgment self-awareness helps us see our role in each interaction That's insane beautiful brilliant and I get that be you're like empathetic to those people You can't be empathetic to someone's mad at you because you're successful I learned I learned the heart like last we did a whole bunch of shit like with ticketing and stuff like that They tried our best Actually, like as I'm as a man. I was like, okay, I'm gonna fix this problem man. This is happening I remember we were having a conversation on the phone about it. Yeah, exactly. I was like man. It's me. I'll be the guy I'm gonna do this and then I did it and it was just Theo was on the video and stuff for it I I like put out the scalpers. I was like, I'm gonna make everyone register. We're gonna show IDs at the venue Tickets gonna be 150 bucks. No matter what no matter what I don't care and I'm Fucking backfired on me because people were just so angry at me about it and I was just trying to do the right thing And so it kind of where it was everybody angry at you. No, some of the people happy with you, of course Hard to tell yeah, that's the problem exactly it's hard to tell that's the problem And that's why in that Dunbar's number those five close confidence Those the ones you need to be able to have a conversation with about that kind of shit and that's the thing about my life Which is sorry, that's the thing about my life Which is so crazy is because I have so many people that are so close to me and they know why I do what I do and the feelings that I feel and why I'm Why I try so hard and why I do this why I do that same with everyone's life Mm-hmm, but it's hard I think to be a figure or a big figure and Say one thing to those people and then the public guy sees something else, right and it's like damn Tried tried my hardest, you know, it's crazy man. It was nuts. It was like psychotic like we're saying though somewhat there's always gonna be someone that's upset and if you have people upset at you, even if it's a small percentage of the people that That feeling is magnified. It feels way worse But even their feelings are valid though, too Like those that small amount of people whose feelings are like that that's I have that I have that problem It depends on what we're talking about very true depends on what we're talking about I mean sometimes it's valid but sometimes it's just a pure expression of that that paragraph that that guy wrote Yeah, very very true. It could be that because there's a Lot of people are upset because they didn't figure it out and they didn't get the breaks They thought they deserved and they didn't get opportunities or they got a bad roll the dice in terms of like their life and where they grew up and and They get really angry when they see someone who hits the lottery and some people hit the lottery, you know They respect I think most people respect a long Grind to be like the Rolling Stones Like if you're the Rolling Stones like how can you not respect that guys 80? He's up there still killing concerts and killing and probably when they were a younger band they fucking Yeah, grind it and grind it and grind in those like I was saying earlier with those small venues as medium venues and things Like that so nobody would hate on the Rolling Stones. No, but someone would hate on you Because you're new so it's this new thing with this guy like he didn't even have to try that Smaller father fucker was in the name. Yeah, this is bullshit I've been on the fucking road since I was 12 and people forget man about the fucking like four or five hours a night I spent after a shift in the Navy like Doing the shit writing songs getting good at writing songs people forget that it takes a lot to be a good writer You know, and I'm not I'm not talking on my ass I'm saying that that's one thing in my life this life that I know that I've earned Because I've written so many things and I've had so many shitty songs that I've like and I'm like, come on Do you write pen to paper or do you write with a laptop or pen to paper? I can't I fucking 70 notebooks in my truck right now Because I just and they're all like store them. Do you like store them like Like images of them or anything? No, I think it's kind of cool. That is cool. It's not Fucking super valuable. I know last year. I had a buddy We were at the studio and a Times Square and he had this backpack on my notebook the four my notebooks were in it with like every like yeah, I don't know if I should say this but uh Like every song I'd written the last like two years and it was dude. That's scary left it. Oh Crazy man. No crazy man. Oh, yeah, you freak middle of New York City. I was terrified but That's why I don't know if I should say it someone's gonna fucking go on a scavenger hunt Look for it behind your fucking song exactly try to sell them back to you He's crazy. Maybe you can get like a reward. Maybe not a reward. Maybe some kid how long ago was this? Uh November last year homeless people wiped their ass. I know exactly man. Think about that. Yeah, I wonder if it Imagine if there's like a fucking super hit I think about it all the time It's something in the orange and it's out there and some homeless guys wiping his ass with it right now And he loves it. He loves it man. It feels great. I think about it So every morning I wake up like fuck I knew to thought maybe someone will find it I think everything happens for a reason though. Yeah, so maybe maybe I had a fucking shitty album in there Oh, I doubt it dude. It's crazy. Yeah, I'm pin to paper for sure. Are you when you write your comedy? Are you die right on the computer? I don't you think that hurts it. No, I can write faster and your comedy hilarious I'm just asking if you think it makes a difference in writing pen to paper. I'm hurts it in terms of memory. Yes So I write pen to paper when I'm writing stuff down before a show So I'll write on the index cards and I'll write on my notebook Whoa before show so I'll write out key bullet points key important parts of a bit But when I'm writing I don't want to be hindered by time So if I have a thought if I'm sitting there and I'm writing and I can type without looking right so I could touch type Mm-hmm. So as I'm sitting when I have I am Joe when I have ideas I can get them out like I can write Appreciation like that that quick, but if I have to write up P. Oh Yeah, it takes too much time. Yeah, I can I'm the opposite man. I'm a fucking I'm an ass I'll like take as much time as I can writing the song but that's nothing wrong with that Yeah, I know a lot of comedian like my friend Mark Norman. He carries a stack of index cards in his pocket It's like that thick why are you so worried about wasting time? No, it's just better for me with thoughts With time like the more like when I'm writing something out if I have a thought I got to capture it If I can get the words onto the the screen quicker Then I have less of a chance of not getting it or something Yeah, not holding on to the idea Wow, because if I have to write out a word and they're like fuck What was I saying? Where did I go with this? I want to I want to be real sure that I have like a flow of ideas to documenting the ideas Ideas to expanding on the ideas and I don't want to be herky-jerky touch typing I've been waiting and I don't want to be I mean, you know poke typing Yeah, I want to be able to just write when I can just write it's so much I can get so much more done So I can write Paragraphs and the more paragraphs are right the more there's a chance that there's something fertile in the great in there And then I take those things I take them out. That's not I put them in another file forget some shit always Terrifying I know always great ideas in the middle of the night. I'm like, I'll remember I'm like this one. I'll never forget melodies are weird melodies are really weird. Yeah, how do they come to you for the most part? I didn't have to have a guitar. I'm different in a lot of people a lot of people just pops in their head I'm like, no, I gotta I gotta sit with my guitar for like 10 hours. Yeah in play It's such a different but the same thing Like I feel like writing comedy is probably similar to writing songs in a way How do you get jokes in your head? You have to write and you have to think and you have to hang out with your friends a big one is hanging out with Our friends like so, you know, you've been to the the mothership and see how we all hang out together I was talking shit and laughing and we're like this so like the other night Ron White was telling this story And I said did have you told this on stage? And you know, I haven't I go fucking please do you gotta I'm like that is a giant chunk of material I'm like, please write that down. That is hilarious. He's done that like three or four times Funny people are just funny people. I run why it is so I wish I could meet him so bad man I can meet him. I remember being a kid up in town tonight. I'll have you meet him Dude, he'd love to meet you. He's the fucking man. My daddy's forced me to watch him man We're like kids and not that he's getting old or anything. I'm just like remember that fucking he's definitely getting old We all are do you remember that awesome the four dudes when we were younger you get on DVD It was like Larry the cable. Yeah, Ron White Huge that's what made that's what made Larry the cable guy. That's what made Ron White Jeff Fox Where there was already really successful. It was huge everyone watched it I remember like my whole family was talking about in Oklahoma like that. I'm like, oh, it was huge That's crazy. But I've learned that what you were saying about um, I Was really beautiful you said about you have to hang out with your friends because it's part of it, right? Like communication with each other talking about stuff people want a lot from you as well as me as well whoever and If if you're touring all year and you're playing these shows and you're on a bus and you're going in an arena and out of arena You're not like living these things that you can write about and when when you're a writer It takes it bothers you a lot because you're like, oh man, like I have an album coming out soon and I'm like Damn, man. I hope it's good enough because I've been fucking touring for three years because I haven't gotten to live The things that I want to write about yeah, it's amazing songs that people Want they it takes it takes like experience in this life It takes living which is such a paradox because it sucks because you want to be playing the songs you've written in the past But you also want to be writing songs you have in the future, you know, it's nuts well, I mean you your songs in the past are always gonna have but It's when there's an exciting artist like yourself and I'm a fan. I think you're awesome. Thank you Joe and When I listen to music like this motherfucker could write songs like this for forever. There's certain people that It's like David tell like my friend David tell David tell can write funny jokes forever forever when he dies, he will be funny the day he dies But you is he funny cuz he's relatable. No, he's just awesome. He's just so good He's so polished and he's the most underappreciated stand-up of our generation like an asshole for not knowing He's so fucking funny man. He's so good. He's hilarious. He had the mothership. Yeah, he's been he's been he's also He's in New York most of the time That's where he lives but he's a legend like a comedy legend and a legend amongst comedians like universally loved amongst comedians and He just fucking I knew I would never imagine a time where that guy's not gonna come up with something funny to say no shit It's not gonna exist just like you. I'm not I'm not gonna imagine a time. We're not unless you fall apart on us Yeah, keep it. Well, it's a non-existent fear. I remember when it all went it all for I fucking hope so I mean you're on the other side You had to have times in your life where you get fame grow every day every day. I'm like keep it together bitch You gotta do it every day. That's why you're getting that fucking cold plus why do all that torture shit? I do to myself. I'm due to because I'm smart. I know what I'm doing, bro You've inserted yourself in everyone's head every morning. It's infuriating brother. It's on my wake up Gotta go how about Joe's doing some shit right now? Yeah, and I think that too. I think that I do I do it for myself Like I do it anyway But I do think imagine if people were watching you and making sure you're not half-assing this That's the another thing about me and you I guess but like you gotta keep going I keep you can't stop even if it sucks That was a that's a crazy thing to think about like along your along your journey No matter what if it's bad or not if your jokes are bad and my songs are bad Yeah You can't you have to write the bad jokes and you have to write the bad songs and you have to keep going because if you Don't you're never gonna write the good one sometimes I would imagine your back I've had bad jokes that like I was like I can't figure out what to do with this I have an idea, but it's just too clunky and then like two years later I revisit it. Oh, and now I have a new premise that ties in with it. I'm like, oh, yeah Oh my god, it slips like a nation's perfect That's what writing songs is like too cuz like fucking you write like three lines Yeah, that's what I was gonna say Do you have times we write a song and you don't like it? But then you come back and you have new ideas and then something from that song so man That's how all songs for me are written at least unless I get except like a few of them Like the huge here's what's interesting to think about the I don't want to say huge come on an ass but like the big ones that I've written the ones that were like successful they They were always like two-minute songs like sat down like just fucking jotted And then wrote like did a video and then people loved them and I was like shit man But the ones I think about a lot the ones that I write and write right, they're always like no one really cares about them Yeah, it's funny. I'm like fuck man. Maybe I should just like get drunk and write really fast I think Sturgill Simpson said that about you can have the crown like that one song I fucking love that song. So Joe's so good, man. What a hero Fucking best all those guys off the grid now living on an island good for him Yeah, look I look at motherfucker doesn't play bro. I follow a fucking Instagram called Where is third rule since then you follow that one too, and it's just like random shit. He's doing no I just wait for text messages. He's one of those guys you like you just watch him existing I love him to death. I wish I wish I could meet him Oh, dude, I will hook it up if he's in town if he comes visit Oh, sometimes I feel bad cuz like I said, I know like three chords and shit and sturgill's writing songs about like Metaphysics and all that. You know, you know sturgill was There's all these fucking crazy pictures of him with puppies and shit, he's a wild bro, he's such a man's man, bro I love him to death. Yeah, me too I'm so curious about him man. When I first had him on the podcast. I had heard there's a psychedelic country guy and I'd listen to a couple of songs then had him on the podcast I was like, I wonder if this guy's gonna want to play music going to be honest I wonder if this guy's got to play music I wonder if he's gonna just want to hang out and we just fucking smoke weed and talk shit. It was amazing It was amazing. I can't I can't smoke pot man, but you can it's totally possible. Yes. Yeah, I hate to sound like a bitch Do you get paranoid smoke a lot of pot? Oh, I used to smoke a lot of pot Well after I got out of the Navy, obviously, I was like, okay I got to do it now cuz I didn't smoke I didn't do drugs like nine years, right? Like every day in the Navy, right and I didn't like even know it was a thing that my buddy J. R He he he smokes quite a bit and there's nothing wrong with it But man, I lived in New York for a little bit and one night I got some gas station marijuana gas station from a fucking like corner stop and I like smoked it and I was on this like scaffolding thing in New York They're looking at the stars and I thought everything was fine. And then all of a sudden my world collapsed Which is such a bitch a bitch thing to say I don't really know I thought my fucking body was collapsing and I thought it you know, it's crazy It was like a positive feedback loop in my head and I was like, oh man. My body's collapsing I'm fucked and I called my sister my dogs running around the apartment. I'm taking my shirt off, bro My dogs running around with me. I'm like you gotta stay on the phone with me. I can't do it. Oh my god It was crazy so many people have had that experience But yeah, I know and it's like you just gotta do it enough to do it Like there's never been a part of my life where I wanted to do it enough to get to the point where I was okay with You definitely don't have to and I take like two hits with the guys out there and shit Like it's not a big deal. Yeah, that's all you need. But every time I think it's a different thing I'm like, okay. This is the time. I'm gonna fucking know lose my mind. I just went way too deep you take my you do mushrooms occasionally Yeah, I've been I Love shrooms a lot. I think they should be not just legal But we should have centers where people who are educated in the right dosage and the right You know for whatever it is for a person if you want to achieve a certain thing and they should have like screenings And like mental health screenings for people and then they should have guided Psychedelic experiences and I think it would make the world a better don't they do that shit with like I don't think it's something I don't know. No, no, I don't think it's academy. They definitely do with ketamine. Yeah, I don't think it's for everybody It's not for everybody. I don't think anything's for everybody I think there are some people that have psychological problems and they shouldn't do anything that perturbs their normal state of consciousness Wow, I've heard that said by experts So I'm just repeating that and I agree with it because it makes sense to me but for a lot of people Having a psychedelic experience where you get to see yourself outside of yourself is very beneficial That freaks me out when you talk about like DMT and things like that even on the show Yeah, I like I hear you talk about stuff like that and I'm like, dude, how the fuck does someone just do that to themselves? Not in a bad way. I mean that in like a in like a trip way Well, like if you were to do something like that, I have that I have that I got a funny story to tell you But I have that fear in me. It's like man. What if it goes wrong? Yeah, what if you never come back? Exactly. We've all heard about was it Keith Moon Who was it? Was it Keith Moon? Who was it acid? It was the dude from Pink Floyd, right No, what's up? Ken Kesey was like the fat the father of the psychedelic movement he was one of the fathers of the psychedelic I bet back in the day it wasn't as uh, Like probably wouldn't as good Sid Barrett right Sid Barrett was the the Pink Floyd guy, right and he went crazy from LSD but didn't someone else go crazy as well. It's one of the most tragic stories in rock. What do you mean go crazy? Sometimes well, you know Howard Stern talked about this once too He said that he took a lot of ass in one time and he was really fucked up for a long time He's really scared. It wasn't gonna come back Because there have been times where people have had whether it's LSD or some mind-altering Substance that for whatever reason that we don't totally understand they they fucking go and never come back That's so weird. Why would you ever do something like that? Maybe it was Brian Wilson. Did he go crazy from no disrespect it? Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys wasn't he the guy that was also tied up with Manson. He was tied up He was going right Like Jensen wanted to make music with him and he was trying to force him to like do it right So that's probably why he was doing all that and he made him do acid cuz Manson was doing acid And Manson was dude Manson for the millionth time. I'll talk about this How do you mention ruin Dennis Wilson's life? Oh brother brother of Brian Wilson never went to dare So Dennis Wilson was like the guy was gonna manage him right or something like that I believe so. Yeah like that. He was looking for his house. I think but those the Manson family Most likely was like a CIA project Most likely it was a project of MK ultra and it's documented by this guy Tom O'Neill in this book called chaos It's an amazing book that talks about the CIA's LSD program. They were dosing people all over the place with LSD they had a thing called Operation Midnight Climax where they would go to a brothel and they would have you know 3d or see through mirrors so they could see through and watch the the Johns and the Prostitute would give the John a drink that was laced with acid So this guy would take this drink and just fucking trip balls they would monitor them and they would talk to them and then they did a bunch of different things where they had the The LSD studies that they did out of Harvard that actually created most likely was a factor in creating Ted Kaczynski because the Unabomber was a part of those LSD studies and Then it reminds me of pineapple Express while he was tripping balls was thinking that technology is gonna kill all the people So he has to kill the people that are making technology and by the way, I'm not condoning what he did But it's logical It's logical if you that's what episode of black mirror. It's logical It seems like it would be an episode of black mirror where the the computers become far more intelligent than human beings And they have no use for them anymore And they in fact they find human beings to be a problem Like that's that's the idea that you're gonna create a new life form that's far more intelligent than you I'm gonna send that technology is gonna take over people you think it's no way me and Danny talk about all the time Well, no, people smarter than me don't think it's gonna happen like Mark Andries I feel that way and I'm not smart at all Sometimes we talk about it. I'm like dude. There's no way in hell that people let things get that far to where I don't think We have a chance. I don't think we have a chance again. I think there's it or this is happen This is the problem and I'm not saying the capitalism is bad thing. But when corporations are Primarily around to make money and they have an obligation to their stakeholders They're always going to make money if this new frontier is opening up and it's called artificial intelligence And you're a part of that up and it's called artificial intelligence and you're a part of that fucking train is on the tracks Baby, and there's no breaks. We You're not gonna stop them from making art. They already got chat GPT. They can have fucking conversations. Yeah, right and getting Diagnose illnesses and tell you how to fix your car. I have this problem where I believe in humanity though I do too. No, not that you don't I wasn't like inducing that I was just saying I'm just a realist Yeah, but that's just a little crazy. Listen, man. They're not gonna stop making it. So if they're not gonna stop making it Where's it gonna go? It's gonna go to a life form. It's just a matter of how much time does it take? I don't understand the technology so I can't say that it's 50 years from now or hundred years from now or five weeks from now I don't know. I don't know what it is, but they're going to be able to create a life form Wow There it dude, this is gonna be this is what I don't understand you see Sarf interrupting No, please this is what I don't understand you see those videos You've been seeing them for like five years of like this weird like robotic heads talking That look like real faces and things like that and this is really Elementary, I just mean like those weird Bald mannequin looking heads working like a robot the AI looking things right right happening for five years Oh, yeah, when's it when's the when's like what everyone's scared up gonna? Well, they've got some pretty sophisticated ones out of I believe Japan now Girls man, I was like what the hell that's my friend Whitney Cummings, and that's her robot So Whitney Cummings robot can like talk and say things and she has it say jokes. That's a fucking nightmare It's hilarious not Whitney Cummings twice, but like the fact that there's a robot well She thinks it's hilarious. That's that's so scary a ton of inappropriate jokes about they do robot does no She you know puts them in the robots face But she's holding its face. Yeah, she took its head off Yeah, well, this is like very rudimentary like that kind of room. Yeah, that's what I mean by that It's like I feel like everything you've seen online when it comes to AI and things like that. It's all Which is even scarier cuz who do you know like like what's going on? Somewhere else when it comes to AI and things like I think we're only what we're learning from like chat GPT is that just from scouring the internet you could have a Program that's so powerful that it could answer any question you have in very complex ways and paragraph after paragraph This has been interesting in the music industry because people like people fucking every day man 20 people send me a Song by an AI bot that I wrote and it's almost insulting cuz like I see the songs and it's like It's crazy to see the lyrics that these AI bots come up with I'm like man I gotta write fucking better songs Can you see it? I'm like I wrote that to this AI bot and it scares the shit out of me But I'm also like like when I think of my head and like think about what I can write personally from my heart I'm like, there's no way AI has ever It's not gonna be able to replicate what your lived felt experiences can convey in a creative way Which I think people are smarter than people think and I think that'll always reign supreme But I think it's gonna make some hits. Yeah, there was like a bunch up. There was a drink song Yeah, I was gonna mention it, but I didn't want to like huge Apparently was huge. Yeah, look it's gonna make some hits and that's not Against Drake that's so Drake can still make hits too But AI can make Drake hits and that's what's crazy It's like when you get to a certain point like if you have a certain style of music Like I wonder if it can do jazz. I don't really have a real understanding of jazz I feel like it would be easier to do jazz than right. This is not an insult towards jazz musicians. I respect them. I feel like it could do jazz well because it has so many notes and perfect like Slides and things to go off of when it comes like songwriting. It might be a little different Imagine if it did jazz better than the jazz musicians and everybody got mad. That'd be crazy. Oh Jazz musicians Maybe so mad man. There'd be a bunch of fucking breweries just up in flames You go into some independent coffee shop and they're just all Austin and there's an there's jazz playing some fucking but it's AI jazz And it's but it's amazing. Yeah, like oh my god because if AI is that small some dude with a bass just fucking piss Right. If you think about what like ever they say, I don't know anything about music Let me just say this real quick, but they say that every note is apparently been played like all of them, right? Yes. Okay. I don't know if this is true, but Bach Don't I don't know anything about music either but Bach win But no, that's that's no No, no, no, that's program that those pieces of paper or those holes in that paper or whatever the fuck that thing is that scroll But what's artificial intelligence, right? That's the same thing You're feeding it a bunch of shit to then recreate. Yeah It doesn't grow inside itself Yeah, it's fucking sounds like saying an automatic watch is artificial Like factories or artificial intelligence all the gears are spinning and ticking and keeping perfect time. No, that's mechanical. That's engineering You know have some respect. I'm with him man That's what I feel like that's what Andreessen was sort of saying like it's just reep reep reep like reading off of the internet Sort of and saying words that sort of to us sounds makes sense sure for now. Well, yeah Did you guys see people in the same forever? Did you see the black mirror episode? With AI and the likeness thing and they they can steal your likeness and they be creates on that one Did I say that one? Maybe I didn't and the tick-tock fucking things are I said it's exactly it This has just been around for 150 years and it's very close to it This replaced a piano player, you know from the wild wild west but it'll always play the exact same thing Yeah, and it sounds the exact same every time you posted they have in the wild wild west See that's what I'm trying to say about people they keep saying that Sounds like someone's playing that sounds like a place where someone's getting shot Right. How do they make that note? When'd you say okay, these are old these I don't know the when they were the first invented But these are not new and they're old got to get one of them man alarm clock We should have one of those in the studio got to see it's not you know, bro How much seeing one of those costs a player piano right now. We should have one in the studio. What's a player piano? Is that what it's called? There's a play like they act because we should get one of them old ones supposedly a player It'd be dope just to have robs for the vibes little too grand. Put it in here, man So next time this comes up you just just play it. There's no room in here This we have the perfect amount of things that are in here. We have no room in here, but out there beautiful. Thank you beautiful Thank you very much I'm scared of artificial intelligence I'm scared of all of it because I think human beings gonna become obsolete and I think we either are gonna merge with technology Which we're kind of already doing Elon always points out that we're already a cyborg. We just hold our phone Yeah, you're connected with it in a very very strange way that if you can't exist without it now It's hard to you can for sure a lot of people do Christopher Nolan apparently does apparently doesn't have email nothing Can't you have talked to him and you you aspire for that sometimes like in your head you sometimes but I like first of all I like the distraction of my phone sometimes if I'm bored I like to sit and watch like pool matches on YouTube agreed You know I like to watch fights if I found out about fights and like I get to watch like results I get to watch things that maybe I missed like on other organizations outside the UFC. I can watch my my phone I wonder where you so say yeah, I wonder why people are so I Personally like the age that I'm at you're older than me, but like I feel ashamed of Your phone you looking at my phone so much. Yeah, and I think that might be like an immaturity thing You know what I mean? We're well I can't monitor myself and I like this it's a right to eat some heinous shit. Do you I tweet some crazy shit? People people always like man. What's going on? I'm literally just like like 3 a.m. On a Tuesday, and I'm like People I'll wake up the next day and people like hey man you good. I'm like yeah, it's a song lyric or something It's crazy. I Like doing it's like like I said I haven't talked to someone like this and so so long that like my fucking crazy tweets are the only thing that people know me By and I'm like man. I got to clear some air, bro so crazy Do you think about not tweeting sometimes like it's not worth it. I actually Recently deleted my Twitter. I do I got these phases where I'm like I do it so much Then I'm like man get off here for a second. I don't know how the fuck Elon does it I that's tough Yeah, do they do change the world today like made it X right? Yeah, it's X now officially you tweet ever I don't yeah occasionally I read things more than I post things do you run your own Twitter? Yeah, but I want to engage with anybody You know like see back and forth to people have with people like I am so not interested in doing that There's something in me or people respond. I'm like No, it's not like fans responding. No, I see it's people get into Conflicts on Twitter, and I think that's ridiculous I think it's the worst way to communicate and bothers me a lot And I think people I see some people all they do is just lash out at people and that is a hurt person That's what that is. That's all it is it's like it's not a healthy way to live your life But you have to empathize a little bit inside yourself too with those people so sometimes people tweet at me And I'm like hey man, but I don't tweet back ever. I always control myself most the time I'm not yeah, don't hold me on that man friends that tell me about tweets that they read In that crazy get about fucking telling that guy to fuck off and Stop reading that shit. Yeah, it doesn't matter that much I don't think it's a great But it is interesting to read all these different people's opinions and thoughts I do Love that about Twitter that you'll get like these hard-core leftist perspectives and hard-core right-wing perspectives and every I think as much as it makes people uncomfortable You have to have a place where everybody gets to talk it out Everybody gets to talk and it's beautiful literally people that think that fucking nuclear bombs aren't real Do you know that's a that's a big one that's going around nuclear bombs are not real. Yeah nuclear bombs are hoaxes It's a hoax okay. That's the latest Oppenheimer was bullshit. It's it's semi-connected. I think to flat earth I think it's Connected to dinosaurs aren't real. It's like a three-pronged attack of idiocy. That's crazy. What is what's their main reasoning behind nuclear bombs? I just think that did I think they're big bombs just just big bombs. Yeah. Yeah, there was like some Twitter threat I was reading where they were talking about how Nuclear bombs have to be fake because Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't have any nuclear fallout. That's In that moon. I was a kid. I went I saw the museum, bro, dude If you're a little kid and you're walking through I wonder I seriously wonder how many of these people that are having these conversations online Are like Russian agents or the feds or they're like somebody who's just designed to make people stupider I should worry about the same thing now everyone who tweets at me is a Russian agent, bro I'm saving the world and you seriously wonder because you remember when Free bleeding was a thing on 4chan and they talked some feminists into not wearing tampons and just bleeding in their pants as a sign of empowerment free Wasn't a party's leading no free bleeding, but it became people actually did it some people actually did it It was like a troll it for us And I think a lot of these things whether it's flat earth or whether it's nuclear bombs aren't real I think it's a lot of crazy people a lot of people that watch too many YouTube videos But I also think some of it has to be someone that's like monkeying with people's ideas like throwing Preposterous ideas that are well articulated out there to get we did believe in nonsense and then argue about it when we did the Ticketmaster stuff and we made it a big deal My managers they came to me like hey man You got to be ready for bots and things online Oh, yeah to manipulate how you're feeling and make you respond in a way where well also manipulate the conversation about you and you get Upset it's not just how you feel it's manipulate how the people that are really maybe someone doesn't know how to feel about what you did They're like I mean I think he's doing it for us and then you go and read on Twitter that guy's a selfish piece of shit That guy this I got that you're reading all these horrible takes that might not even be real people They might not be people or they might be engineered by people through multiple fucking sock puppet accounts if you go to like a famous person's like Twitter and things like that you can look at who's following in them and like If you like scroll down like this is fucking psychotic that I know this I don't do this myself I just know from talking to people and things If you like scroll down you can see like just fucking like a hundred and hundreds of bots and stuff like that Oh, yeah, we're just tweeting crazy shit, but their accounts aren't really like like three people follow them and they're following like 600 people and all the 600 like famous people and they're either saying like nice shit or mean shit You're like, this is weird. It's weird. What's going on, man? It's anytime there's culture war stuff Like anytime there's stuff about like trans rights or anytime stuff about Ukraine war like these right like Anytime there's an abortion debate you will read these comments. I will go through the comment the That one's a big one the Roe v. Wade one's a big one If you go through those comments and you read them some of them the people you look at their page Like I'll read like some preposterous take on things and then I go and read their page I'm like, oh, this isn't even a person. Yeah. Yeah, and it's a lot of times. It's in politics and shit like that Yeah, when I said that shit about like Whatever Bud Light because my fucking sister spouse is transgender. I like I like hired a security guy for a second I was like, man, this is crazy. I'm not mad at you. Yeah, not being a bitch either I was like man, it's kind of scary, but I live in a city. I don't be able to come for me Because a lot of people just a dumb reason to get woke up on a Saturday Bro, and I had a dude tell me I was like a Nazi and a mutilator on my Twitter and I was a girl What the fuck are you talking about? It was psychotic. It was crazy well There's people that feel there are some people that feel like supporting that idea is gonna make more people try it and it's gonna make more People regret having gone through transition and so they really highlight Detransitioner so like people have one side or the other side either look at it Like it's only a good thing to live your truth and to be trans like you should get on hormone blockers as early as You can and that's what that that person that's secretary of Who's that person the secretary of health that used to be Rachel Levine? Right, that's it is was saying like what if you go you're going through puberty, but it's the wrong puberty Like good. What if you're going through puberty and it's painful for you because you're it's not you like look you're still a child Like the idea that for ideology we're gonna abandon this thing that we have always known Which is that children are very impressionable and very malleable? And that they can be manipulated and that also they can change their minds and there is a ton of stories about girls who are tomboys when they're younger and scares me became regular women and there's also tons of stories about guys who are feminine when they're growing up and they became gay men and Some of my gay friends feel like this idea that like those people should become trans is probably Homophobic and that someone encouraging them to become trans if that's the case is homophobic There's a human being you only have one sorry I was gonna say because he was saying that and this is true that in Iran I believe they have like a large amount of transgender Women and the reason being is that homosexuality is illegal. Yes, it's it's strange So because it's illegal the way they get around that is some of these men become trans Whoa, which is why? I've seen in the Middle East is a weird. I don't know anything like actually but in the Middle East There's a weird feeling around it like if you're walking around cuz I was I was in Bahrain and things like that You'll go out in town and there's it there's like a femininity to like a lot of the guys and you're like Oh, it's kind of listen. There's a certain percentage of guys or gay in all of the world Yeah, of course. It's just a part of being a person and that's what like a lot of this stuff that came out about the whole Like transgender thing with me I'm not defending anything either. I don't care My sister is Gay and she married a transgender person and they're both close to my heart and all I know as a human being and a man It's like love them because they're my family. Of course, and that's it. They get I haven't or I don't give it Like I don't care what anyone is doing. I don't care if you support the kid thing or not I just love them and that's what being a human being is is knowing your own perspective and Working from there and I didn't realize it was gonna start such a battle defending someone that I love so much, you know because they're they're um there's such a there's such a funny amazing person of me that I've spent so much time with and I've utmost trust in and respect for and that is my picture in my head of a Transgender person. Well, I don't have the perspective people should be looked at as individuals and respected and individuals Are what we should concentrate on like who but the promise? Everything so tribal today. Oh, yeah That's why this Bud Light thing went so bonkers because they the people that enjoy Bud Light are Completely the opposite tribe for the most part. Well, I think a large number of them then the tribe that's into following Dylan Mulvaney, I've never cared about anything that my entire life There were how will you fucking people care so much about it? They felt like it was taken over their thing this like it's like a Fox News went all gay Fox News just became the gay news and they're like no Every every anchor was gay and they talked about everything from a gay perspective So matter what man, you know, like let's look at gays in Ukraine and you know, like no matter what it is Let's look at it from again people would go crazy. Yeah, I can't imagine waking up with that much So I think that's what people felt like was happening with the Bud Light can and what like bothered me a lot It was like I empathize like I see both sides and like people think I didn't I was like, oh man I get it man. I understand both both of these realms of people. I'm like The problem is people like take it serious forever Like they would Bud Light drinkers for fucking 30 years and they'll die on this hill man And all sudden like now fuck Bud Light forever. Yeah, I don't care man And you just see medello cans everywhere, bro You go to a show this fucking medello everywhere You know what makes me mad is I've drank but like so long and it's such a great beer and I can't even drink it Like people fucking look at you weird and I'm like, I don't I'm out of all of this I just want to drink a Budweiser, bro You're reading about this bar owner that stopped selling it because people were beating people up that were buying it. That's crazy crazy I can't imagine by dude imagine buying a Bud Light when they just get in deck on the face for no, it's just a beer It's just a beer fucking leftist you suck. Yeah This fucking country support that that's how this shit is gonna fucking take over you gotta punish these people this American flag I'm on the thing that's going on though is people are getting fired like regular folks that work in breweries are getting fired Because the demand is down. So is the demand is down. The production is down. The production is down jobs are down and That's an unintended consequence You were talking about that earlier before we got on here and you were saying they were down like fuck the market cap or whatever Let's see what the number is like what is I've been checking the stock every day But I guess it's more than 20 billion. They've lost more than 20 billion dollars, you know smoke cigarettes in here No, yeah, go ahead guys. Yeah, we got a fan. It sucks the cigarettes ox. We have we smoke cigars in here and don't smoke They lost a ton of money the point is it's not good It's real bad. Mmm, and it's who the fuck saw that coming who thought the people are gonna be that upset That's what blows my mind. There's so many people watch my loops You don't hear a lot of stories where the the like the population can actually control the companies Like the population can actually control the companies numerous part of me where I'm like, holy shit. Good job guys, man You fucking killed it, but it's so wrong. They definitely can if you know if they have a point Budlight sales down by twenty seven point one percent. I don't even know what I don't even know what started it is what's funny I just I saw dude I got on Twitter one day just like everyone else and out of context responded to somebody and everyone hated Me all of a sudden. I was holy shit I think what they're saying was the mark just find out what the market cap loss was because that was the big just Google Anheuser-busch market cap lost 21 billion Google that that's heinous, yeah That is crazy But there's no way the 27 billion Bud like maker anheuser-busch in bev has lost a whopping 27 billion in market value in the wake of his star cross Partnership with Dylan Mulvaney most recently slammed by a 4% stock drop this week. That's June 2nd. So that's More than a month ago. This is July 4th. It says Mmm What is that 60 billion or six how do you hate something that much man six billion Oh Looking at all the zeros with no how they have all those zeros with no fucking commas. That's rude I was in like an emotional. Isn't that ridiculous? I was in a pretty weird place when all this stuff happened too because there was like a shooting in a In Colorado or something where some dude some some guy he like ran into a transgender bar or something a gay bar or something and just Killed a few people and it was crazy. My sister was really emotional about it because she's gay And I when all this isn't that like a non-binary person too. I know that was this that was the tech I don't know what that was That was a crazy one because that was the son I think of a guy who is a Former guy fought a guy was an MMA fighter. Wait, which was also a porn star the bar. Yeah, isn't that scary? Yeah Terrifying my sister was really really up in arms up But she's really emotional about it and I she's my best friend in the world I'll do anything just like you would probably for you have any siblings Yeah, I have a sister and she's my best friend no matter what like that's awesome thick and thin, but that's why I love my sister too, she's also exactly you would defender to the bits right then so this is like some just really ill person who went into a bar and started shooting people, but I I Don't know like what the motivation was either my sister my sister was saying that like They were under she was under attack and things and I'm like, I don't like yeah, I just didn't I guess as a young guy I Just both ends because she felt like it was an attack on gay people exactly and I talked with her about it Like I was just a normal person. I'm like is it an attack on your people or is it is an individualized event? That's terrible and and heartbreaking and things like that and I so when all this that because I think that person Like I said, I think that person was a member of the LBGT I'm pretty sure people are just Scared man, that's so shitty or something along those lines But either way, it's a human being doing something evil to a bunch of other human beings. It's crazy times now crazy, man Do you think it was like this when um? Like when you were younger were things as like polarizing? No No, what do you think what do you think change things? Well want for one the communication for one social media is exact exacerbated the gap is like Made us more divided I think than ever before but any people huddle up in these like echo chambers You think it made things better at all it made access to information better It made people more informed, but it's difficult to navigate those waters and not everybody's gonna do it Some people gonna crash on the rocks, you know, and I think that It's a new thing that people are trying to navigate I think there's a lot of people that are horribly addicted to it and they're they're just constantly involved in these interactions with other people and most of them are feuds and disagreements and they're trying to one-up each other and trying to like post facts and dunk on people and so always question validity of like I was question validity of Artists and things now like do you think people are better for it or worse for it when it comes to talent? Like does the cream rice at the top faster now, or does it just make everyone? Great. I don't know how to word this make everyone great. How my myself like When I started putting videos on Twitter and things like that I wouldn't have been discovered in the 70s because I would have just been playing guitar on a fire Do you think? And there's I don't mean this for my own ego I'm just saying in general Do you think people are more talented for it because they have to compete with millions and millions of people now? or do you think people are less talented for it because Millions and millions of people are getting famous. I think in general the talented people of today Like every other generation with every other kind of art form and even most sports The generations as they progress they have the benefit of learning from the previous generation So we all imitate each other whether it's like Mike Tyson imitating Jack Dempsey style or Steve You're a Vaughn imitating Jimi Hendrix style we all learn from our predecessors and when you have access to all the predecessors Which is what you have today? You're gonna get an insane amount of talented people There's always gonna be certain like the idea that everyone's gonna be soft in society soft and no one today could do that No, there's still people that can do it They're gonna rise. They're always going to be here There's always going to be exceptional human beings. There's people that are driven to do things just like that guy was driven to climb fucking mountains Some people are driven to make great music. They're driven to write good books or great books They're driven to make great films They're people are always going to be driven and they have the benefit of having seen You know apocalypse now and having listened to the white album and there's there's so much That people could absorb so much greatness and so much If you were an artist in the 1800s like how much impact Did you get from other artists? You wouldn't know that much ever hear Caribbean music? Have you ever there was no hip-hop so you're not inspired by other people? And now we're all just inspired by each other. So we're making better things if you use your brain wisely That's what if you use your brain wisely You can be constantly inspired and enjoy all these people or if you use your brain like a fool you'll be Embroiled in conflict constantly all the time always fucking arguing. Yeah, it's not good Waking up angry and having the least charitable view of every person you talk about gotta be the worst life. It's not a good life It's not good for you. It's just not and people don't realize it because they you know, they feel That they're just ignored or this is the way they get attention or whatever it is It's just a super unhealthy way to interact and I see people doing it on Twitter that are my friends and I'm like bro You're killing yourself. Like you're giving yourself stress levels from being in these constant Twitter battles. You're distracting yourself I think the Navy and things like that. It always scared me because we used to have chiefs and things talk about like the Chinese and the Russians and like everyone going to war and things like that and I always would look at like the younger sailors and I'm like, oh man Sorry Are we gonna be okay if anything terrible happens because these guys aren't paying attention distracted They're not they're not like um, yeah, and I'm not saying that I'm tougher than anyone ever. I never will I'm just saying when I joined the Navy since I had so like you were saying about artists You're you're inspired by the people around you So my dad and my fucking mom and my grandpa they were all in the Navy and I was inspired to be in the Navy And like fucking fight for my country and shit like that. Hmm, and I wonder now if people are Like forgotten country ask like that kind of shit like what the movies are about Like that like the wartime movies and things like that. There's no great war like Fight Club said, you know Like I fear that if things were to happen would people have that American spirit like that Empire State Building spirit that made things like so fucking Legendary and like the pictures that you see of those guys climbing on the buildings That's what the propaganda that we always get that says this how China thinks about us and this is how Russia thinks about us This is you know, like you always get that from a lot of like the hardcore right-wingers That's what their perspective is that China and Russia are making fun of us while we are Arguing about gender wars and whether or not, you know, a trans woman can use the woman's bathroom And you know and we're concentrating on these silly things about what what do you what is your pronoun? and meanwhile, they're trying to make people as manly as possible and they're trying to Figure out a way to continue to feminize America. That's like the grand that's insane Conspiracy but you see dude you see there's like Chinese marching videos and things like that and I say that with respect But yeah, you see all that's like yeah, it's crazy. They're all like Like they're all in step with some severe discipline and there's also like There's there's a rejection of feminization there. They did something recently where they like outlawed boy bands. Whoa Yeah, that kind of stuff like k-pop bands They I was reading this I'm such I'm the worst at this where I'll like read a headline I got enough information. I know now man. I know it all now I read one paragraph in and then I got distracted by a phone call but a lot of like the They China banned 21 saying that no was a real reason but it's the same thing. Okay, China to ban sissy boy band I want to who quoted that Right, is that a Chinese interpretation of a word? There's not a guy on TV saying we got a band The state regulator is calling for a boycott of pop acts that don't conform to macho standards as well as overly entertaining and Vulgar internet celebrities and influencers. That's crazy get out now But do you think that's but do you think that's um? But do you think that's propaganda? It's hard to say I mean we're not we don't really know Like we're just guessing like just that like they're guessing unless you can read Mandarin Unless you have boots on the ground over there So you really know what's going on unless you know like exactly what's going on in terms of like how much censorship? How much censorship are they involved in really? What how about that face ID system? How often are they using is that everywhere the social credit score system? Is that all real like the central bank digital currency is that all real where it's tied to the credits? Okay, what is is this ubiquitous is it through the entire country? Is it you know? What is this like what are we looking at and it's hard to say because I'm sure there's propaganda that comes from both sides Sure, there's propaganda from them. There's propaganda from us It's hard to say today like what exactly is going on But it seems like they are doing things at least in Some videos that I've watched where they're that that sort of technology where they were talking about with the ears in that cartoon They're doing something similar at least a test version of with children in Classes where they have this headgear on and the headgear is monitoring whether or not the kids are paying attention I was thinking that I'm going to college right now And I was taking a proctor exam the other day, and I was talking with my buddy about it, and he was saying that We might sound like idiots if this doesn't exist, but they were saying that like in the classrooms in like China and things like that or whatever country They have like video cameras that monitor where eyes are going. That's what they were talking about in this thing that's so that these kids had these headsets on and They were monitoring their faces to make sure that they were looking at their phones And they weren't looking somewhere else and then this headgear they had on it was indicating whether or not they were paying attention That's crazy yeah, so I guess it's like a different frequency But doesn't that make you a different person like when you're cheating in class is like a greater doesn't make you resourceful It does a little that's why that's why I believe in like the America like I'm conflicted in my own head cuz like all these This is nothing to do what we're talking about, but uh Like a lot of right-wingers and left-wingers I feel like they have like the wrong idea of what the American spirit is but also on this hand. I'm like America is the best country in the world We got to figure it out where the we're like the American spirit is alive and well And I think we'd be fine if it come if it came down to it if we fall apart to totalitarianism It's a giant blow to humanity because if totalitarian reaches a place that has the most freedom and The problem with freedom is people are willing to give it up if it suits their side and you're hearing this from people all The time you used to hear from people on the right But now you're hearing it from people on the left where they're willing to silence people's free speech if they think that what they're saying Is dangerous and you can't do that because no one gets to decide what's dangerous What's not dangerous because if you allow people to they keep moving that fucking goalpost? And then they'll silence you and then if you're a liberal and you vote for this you want this to happen Then it gets in place and then a Republican wins and they use that same thing to stifle liberalism It's all competent so this is the kids with the things in their head and that green light is Apparently or one of the different color lights white means you're offline. Looks so happy not paying attention This is a black mirror episode. Yeah, this is wild and So they use facial recognition to make sure the kids are paying attention on the Wall Street Journal Look at this facial recognition. I do not know look at their facial recognition. How wild is that? That's what I was talking about with the proctor exam. I was taken. Yeah imagine, but dude, there's such a fine line between like safety and cheating and like Is it good or bad? Well, it's not cheating but but it definitely is enforcing Concentration so is the if the results are better like right if they get better grades Is that worth it to like completely give up freedom like that and to have a fucking headband and then people don't rise to the top Either if they're great, they probably still will Because like even if you're paying attention you must be you might be just a dumbass You know, whereas some people are paying attention and they have brilliant ideas like you're always I think There's always gonna be competition whether you're focusing or there's there's gonna be more competition Probably because more people will be forced to be disciplined, you know forced to they'll be forced to do the work as opposed to like Fucking off and you know procrastinating which people do amazing shit to like they do shitty guys man in class I was shitty. Yeah, man. I never had good. I was always shitty like right. You hated me and if you want good songs You know, I mean, yeah, dude and also I don't have kids yet If your kid came home and was like, hey, I had this Headband on today that was making sure I didn't look to the paper next to me. How would you feel about it? Not good. I would not be into that. I would not allow that I would I would I would find another school that I just I just think you have to have a certain amount of freedom Especially coming from a person like me who's a creative person like I do what I do doesn't it didn't exist When I was a kid, it's a new thing like to be able to podcast or stand-up always existed But that's also like it's a very creative thing. It's gotta be able to hang out freedom. Yeah Podcasting is fairly new right? It's like 20 years old But stand-up is, you know, a hundred years old or whatever it is But like the most recent versions of it you can't have that unless you have freedom of expression You can't have it it won't exist and you know What a primary school stops using headbands to study pupils concentration levels after public outcry. That's good. That's good That's a good. Well, that's good that this is public outcry. This was four years ago. This article got posted Interesting. That's weird that the video has been going around even recently. Yeah, interesting So the people reciprocating information Yeah, well they outcry probably just keeps continuing because people are terrified of that being the dystopian future that we're all monitored constantly by big brother and that we give into it because we want a little bit of comfort which Is what's fucking scary? That's what's scary that people taking advantage of bad situations and You know if there's something breaks out in this country some kind of a war or something really scary You have to be very careful of anybody whose solution is to take away your rights to protect you You got to be very careful that because that's what tyrants do and they've always done things like that Always and they have all the information. Yeah, that's the other thing. That's crazy. They have all your data They have everything from your geo tracking location They can they know where you are come a time you're a kid for me at least Thing on your fucking iPhone can track you and you can decide to let your friends track you other people can track you too That's scary man That's freaky. That's fucking freaky. I can't do it. I can't do it and every The internet's weird. It's all weird But so is this artificial intelligence thing that we're talking about and then this UFO thing like why is that? Why is that like in the mainstream discussion so frequently today? You think that's a distraction from someone? I don't know man Dude aliens are real right eyes. I did that was decided I Will listen I don't know but I think It's very unlikely that we are the only consciousness in the universe the only intelligent conscious communicating being other than like whales and orcas So if that's the case, so if there are things out there, it's very likely There's gonna be many more than we can even imagine and it's very likely they're gonna be older than us so they're probably a figure things out and if they evolved in a stable atmosphere In a place that doesn't have meteor showers slamming into it every few thousand years like Earth does Maybe they got way further ahead of us very quickly, you know, maybe they didn't have to go through all the brutality Maybe they never had dinosaurs. Maybe they didn't have to have an asteroid hit them to kill off the dinosaurs Maybe if maybe they're like small lizard intelligence that evolved and they're way more advanced and they're way more advanced like a million years But did you see the court do you saw the court case right? Yes, I mean very Closely watch the guy being like yeah, man, we got we got aliens in the back, right? He definitely didn't say it like that. But he said that there are Reports that indicate that there are biological entities that have stored in freezers that are of alien Some whether it's interdimensional or from another planet Something very different and they have crashed vehicles not just one but many as many as 12 crashed vehicles and then there is a UFO crash retrieval program and They believe that this program was probably what they used when they went to Brazil and was it 96 the Virginia case there's a There's a case in 1996 that James Fox did a great movie on called the the moment of contact And the moment of contact is all about this one town in Brazil where everyone Was there when this UFO was over there sitting like everyone has their evidence like with their videos and things? Well, there's a guy who died who carried the body to a car He carried the body to a car and they brought it to a hospital and the hospitals like get that fucking thing out of here And they brought it to another hospital and they're like this happened. Yes, it's all doc That's all documented and then the guy who was a soldier who carried this alien being that guy died of a horrible bacterial infection They couldn't cure they didn't know what the fuck it was. He died really quickly within two weeks. He was dead He was a young fit guy. No way. Yeah, so this scary they have a fucking giant like UFO monument in the middle of the city like when you enter into the city in Virginia there's a huge UFO there and James Fox is like he's filming all this and talking to these people this guy who was the police He was a police officer that investigated the crash when they brought him to the scene They brought him to the woods to the scene of where this thing supposedly crashed the guy breaks down So I was crying. I mean, he's fucking weep Weeping so either he's the greatest actor in the world Why was he weeping cuz he was there cuz he remembered that that thing he remembered seeing that crash UFO You remember seeing those the this alien body and these girls they talked to these two girls that ran into one of the things that was still alive and They described it. There's an actual statue of it that we have in the studio or in the Comedy club. Yo, that's them today. That's them when they were little girls and that's them today The whole town saw it man the whole town like he kept interviewing people after people that talked about it that were there It's cool. What's he having a stick for I wonder what that's about I think he's probably describing the impact how the thing slammed into the ground There was a crazy lightning storm apparently and this thing fell in the crazy lightning storm it got hit and disabled and crashed into the earth and Apparently the Air Force sent something to retrieve it So the Air Force flew into Virginia Brazil and that's all been documented by James Fox to that They did send a plane there to go retrieve this thing and now that this guy's come forward and then the government is allowing him To say it but ask yeah So the government is allowing this guy to say they have a retrieval project and this is all like they're allowing him to say these things I wonder why well, he only has to he only can stay within the lines like and you saw that during the testimony There was multiple care was about it. Yes, there's multiple questions. They had where he said I can't answer that I can answer it What is it? What is it called in a skiff? So that's it so a skiff is like the way I've been explained to me make sure this is right It's like a completely soundproof room that has no electronics. Okay. Here it is a sensitive compartmentalized information facility It's an ultra secure room where officials and government contractors take extraordinary precautions to review highly classified information So they go into this like very very protected room and then they'll break out these laptops and they'll break out these these Photographs and videos and they'll show them like what these things are they'll show them the biological entities They'll show them the crashed UFOs They'll show them the high resolution videos of these things hovering over military bases They'll show them all the reports of them shutting down all the nuclear systems It's wild shit if it's true, but it doesn't feel true Why would it not feel true? I don't know because maybe if aliens are real maybe if this disclosure so real Maybe it's so mind-blowing that it just feels like nonsense to me But something about it just feels a little fake You said that you said the UFO thing happened in 96. I think the Virginia Brazil one was 1996 Yeah, if it's been around for that long, why is it just that's Roswell, New Mexico was 1947 The Roswell, New Mexico crash was in the front cover of the Roswell daily record. I have it framed It's the front cover the Roswell daily record. They talk about a flying saucer that crashed in a ranch And so these people or these military people who were there reported initially Who is the guy like pull up the Roswell story? This is a crazy story Yeah, so that that was on the front page of the Roswell daily record RAAF captures flying saucer on Ranch in Roswell region. No details of flying discs are revealed And then they talk about the people who are about it's really difficult to read the print in this Yeah, but someone has to approve of this getting printed and things like that So I feel like if this is in the next day then the next day they said oh, it was just a weather balloon Sorry, I made a mistake And so they had this press conference where they posed with these pieces of aluminum foil and like very clear weather balloon The problem is all the eyewitnesses have a very different account They talk about this kind of metal that you could crumple up in your hand It was light as a paper and then it you would open it would go right back to its original form they talk about these pieces of metal that were impossibly strong but impossibly light and they had some kind of writing on them that looked like Egyptian hieroglyphs or Some kind of ancient right some some kind of symbols on it that they didn't know what the fuck they were They looked very alien and they talk about biological entities that were in the crash that they transported to this funeral home and they there's this documentation of them making these small coffins and There's a lot of weird shit where people that were there talked about seeing the bodies There's multiple versions of the same story. No, it could be just nonsense it could be like a folklore thing that people just started talking about and everybody ran with it and then it becomes like a Tourist trap like people go to Roswell to you know, the fucking that'd be crazy Economic booster it is an economic booster You ever go freaks go to Roswell, New Mexico every year You ever think you're gonna be that old person in those old videos that you think like when you used to watch about aliens They'd be like man. I saw the saucer in my backyard. You know, I mean, I hope so like in the future You're just you're just the guy on the video. Not you either. I'm just saying imagine if that is you like imagine if you're on tour and You guys are out in the middle of nowhere and you're at a fucking truck stop You pull over take a leak and you step outside. There's a fucking UFO just I've seen him you have taken shrooms. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I walked outside. I saw you saw you file They're probably really you just probably can't see him No, maybe Well, it might be it's getting more and more real now. It's freaking me the it might be more complicated than We're thinking interstellar stuff not just interstellar but interdimensional and what does that really mean? What does that mean and maybe there's certain times where we have access We don't know how to do it like we can't just go there But maybe there's an opening and maybe they have access to us. Maybe they can create these openings and just appear Maybe they're from something that is so different than what we're experiencing here on earth That we can't even understand what the fuck they're talking There might be a million years more advanced than us in a completely different dimension and they figure out a way to visit And they can figure out a way to just just show up and hover and move around things Look if we can send a probe to Mars and Elon can shoot a tesla into space. Oh, yeah, who the fuck knows what some insanely advanced civilization that has no like War like primate behavior like we do like maybe they've completely evolved past that maybe they have no Jealousy and rage and envy no way they've engineered negative emotions out and maybe they read minds and maybe these things are just Insanely advanced. Yeah, but it's their job to help usher in other civilizations into the next stage of existence which would be an existence without war and violence an Existence where human beings sort of achieve almost a hive mind that makes the whole God conversation Crazy. Well God might be the universe Instead of thinking that the universe created God The universe might be God It might be conscious the whole thing might be conscious Why not when I look around though? Here's my thing sometimes when I'm like Running or like hiking or I'm on the lake or I'm playing a show and everyone's singing back to me Or I feel a certain way towards someone or whatever Those moments are like too Grand and like beautiful to like not believe in God for me. You know, I mean you ever feel like that You ever been on a mountaintop and you're like, oh man, this is crazy. I believe in something. I Think the problem that people have is the word and when you say God people Automatically think of this very rigid organized religion Perspective that's based on ancient scripture. Yeah, it's ruined it for a lot of people Yeah, whether it's the God of you know Whatever religion you choose to believe in God is a bunch of different religions. A lot of them believe in God, right? But what if you don't want to think that there's something going on Something like insanely complex That's constantly moving at least in our lives in our existence constantly moving in this ever-evolving direction Why? Is it possible that this is how the universe creates more? universes and the universe creates new things and these things become more and more advanced and everything continues to always Advance just like we were talking about it doing with music and movies. Maybe it's how it does it with planets maybe it's how it does it with everything like keep things constantly get better and the beings get better at manipulating reality they get better at creating black holes and being able to pass through wormholes and being able to manipulate space-time How did you get to that perspective if you're from like Boston and things like that? Did you grow up in the Catholic Church? Oh, well, I was Catholic Church when I was a kid did Catholic school for first grade But then you know, we got out of it I was a horrible experience Not good And then I kind of fell out of religion as a young kid because my Catholic school experience was so bad It's like a really mean none Wow taught first grade But it was also a good lesson that like there's people like that in the world because I never met anybody like that before Like religiously mean like about God and things like everybody in my life was nice to me I was a little kid. Yeah, so everybody's nice to me. My grandparents are nice. My uncles are nice Everyone's nice. Yeah, and then all sudden you're in the school where there's none is a cunt and I was like, oh shut I didn't know there's people like this out there like this is crazy I didn't know there's gonna be people but just just mean to you for no reason Not if not, not yell at you if you did something wrong. I experienced that every kid does but Mean to you like like corporal punishment hearing you telling you gonna oh, yeah She hit people rotten. They're gonna do with rulers, but tell you gonna make I'm gonna make you sit on a nail in the closet You're not gonna be able to go home. You're never gonna see your parents again like crazy see growing up I had the oppa like religion and things was was so nice to me because I grew up like in a Baptist church Never one was like loving and shit like yeah, there's something about that Catholic guilt You know, there's there's he it's you it's weird. I've been around and I'm not saying Weird, but it's it is a weird. There's a strictness to it that makes you feel unwelcomed Yeah, and there's a lot of these priests they like to drink Which is insane. They like to get fucked up this this priest give gave my grandmother her You know her last rites and he kept saying her name wrong And we people had to correct him like her name was Josephine. He was saying Geraldine left behind a great family He's like just Josephine. Her name is Josephine He was just going through the motions and I remember seeing them before they started the thing and looking in his face and thinking like this guy's drunk a lot like he had that those gin blossoms all over his nose and his face like But when he was just talking to people and everything when he was getting ready and setting up I was looking at his face like wow, this guy looks super unhealthy communion wine, baby. Yeah. Well, not just communion wine I'm sure they're getting drunk. That's I mean imagine like I Don't know is it allowed but imagine your occupation does not ever allow you to be in love that it makes me Did you see that Mark Wahlberg movie? Which one where he like um, he he gets paralyzed He gets paralyzed and he just wants to be a priest. No, I didn't see that. Oh my it's a call You gotta watch it. I forgot it. Others do father still you have to watch it. It's so good All he wants to do is be a priest and he there's like a there's a girl in it And there's some big actress actresses and actors in it and he like falls in love with her I don't even remember what happens, but he gets paralyzed and things and I'm not gonna ruin that movie either, but it's okay It's a new movie. I think it's on came out within the last year. I think Mmm, there's so many movies out. It's impossible to keep up. I got this crazy story I was in Chicago it involves like the church that I grew up in and things like that When I was a kid like 13 and 14 years old We used to go on all these mission trips like as a church and we used to go to Chicago to this place called Maywood And we would help all these kids out and like run a VBS and there was nothing pretentious or weird about it We would just go and like play kickball with kids and like talk about God and Jesus and things And it was this park in Chicago that we would always go to like Maywood Park And it's kind of the rougher side of Chicago, but like being a kid I was naive to that so I didn't know so it's beautiful to think about that I had no idea that it was like the rougher part of town. It was just fun for us and We went back to Chicago two weeks ago to play the Windy City smoke-out and I was there and I was there for three days So I didn't really have anything to do and one of the days I was off I I wanted to go to that park that I went to when I was 13 So it's been like 17 years or 15 years since I'd been there And I I haven't talked to the pastors and things that I had like we had pastors growing up I don't know about Catholicism, but they're just called pastors like the guys who were over you and On the way there I had no idea where I was going I didn't even remember where this park was in Maywood Chicago I didn't know where Maywood was so I just typed in Maywood into the uber app and My it was so beautiful man like the uber started driving me out there And I was riding out there, and I was like where is this park. I have no idea and There was this the stories all over the place sorry, but when we used to go on that mission trip Chicago had been flooded really terribly and there was this lady named miss Barnes who I had who I had like helped clean out her house when I did flooded really bad and She had written me letters while I was in the Navy like all like letters throughout the years And I would write her back and things like that and I would send them back and forth one day I sent her a letter and it was sent back to the sender because she had passed away and I'd known when I saw the the damn like back to sender thing So I'm on my way to this old church that we used to do these missions out of and I'm calling my old youth pastors And I'm like hey, where's this where's this park at where's this church at and? Finally I get in touch with this guy named John who lives in Maywood And he sent me about all the addresses to like the park and the house and everything And I go out there and it's been 15 years And I'm sitting in this park and it's a Friday at like 6 p.m And when we used to go out there these to be just be all these kids and things like that playing kickball and like in the basketball in the basketball courts and at the park and like there was an American flag hanging up and stuff and I went out There and there was nobody and it was completely desolate It was 5 p.m. On a Friday in the summertime and I was just sitting on the I was sitting on the bleachers and I was looking Around I was man. This has got to mean something. It's got to mean something terrible or crazy There are people just inside now Do people just hang out inside and then I went to the house that she had lived in Miss Barnes the one that I'd cleaned Out from the flood and no one was there and this John guy who I'd got in contact with had bought her house Had purchased her house like the mission guy and that's like those are the reasons why I believe in God cuz that was crazy Like I was driving out there and I had no idea Where I was going what I was doing and it turns out the guy talked to was the guy who had purchased Miss Barnes his house white who I'd written letters to all those years and I'd been to that park and everything meant you ever Like go back to somewhere you like you spent time as as a kid. Oh, yeah, isn't it weird? It's not freaking it. It freaked me out a lot I was listening to music and I was walking around and I remembered like stepping in the same places Was weird is for me when I was already down It's just reminding me of going to church and things like not at all when I was a kid And I went back to my town where I grew up What was weird was like I had these memories that were just basically like placeholder memories. They were like like Framework where I knew the specifics of stuff But I didn't really have a memory of it until I went there and then all sudden like everything filled in I could freak me out. I was at the house and things like that and I was walking around I was like, oh my god. I remember lifting this here Yeah, it fills in that's like the nostalgia of all that shit is nuts man. I'm not even that I'm not even that old You know me and I'm not like yeah, but things from your childhood Like that's a long-ass time ago when you know, you think of how much different you are from when you were a kid That dimensionally freaks me out. Yeah, it's Talking about it last night man. I was in this fucking dude I mean, I was in this fucking kiddie pool in this yard and I was like talking to someone about it I was like the reality of then is the same as the reality of now, but it's all so different and weird That's got to be some weird dimensional thing man where it's like that existed to each day is the same Yeah, and you think about it and like is your nostalgia like a fucking? What are your memories man? Like what is this? Like how does how does that mean less than the present? Well, they're definitely shaky You know We all know our memories are shaky unless well like even if things like your songs like stuff you wrote like you have to concentrate On them right you're you wrote them and sometimes you can forget the words. Yeah, of course like memories weird and memory of Like specific things from the past is always slippery Until you're there again. You're like, oh, it really freaked me out It really freaked me out to be sitting there because I remember like my dad with hair and shit You know what I'm saying? I called my dad when I was there and I was like man, this is nuts Like do you remember your friends when they were in high school and I see them now and they're all grown up and you're like What the fuck and they're all like engaged and having kids and shit like wait this came out of you what's going on? I remember you throwing a tequila bottle at coach Craig's You know I'm saying like now sudden they have kids of their own you're like, whoa, this is wild and some of them You're like, oh, yeah This is wild and Um Damn It's fascinating. It's becoming an adult human being is fascinating And then as you're becoming an adult human being more and more other people are becoming adult human beings They have a different way of living their life than you do and that's why like every generation looks the new generation Oh these fucking kids today But everyone everyone says it and I've been feeling it so vividly what scares me the most about growing up is having songs It's got to freak you out too about having podcasts You ever feel like you're gonna look like having all these songs from the time I was 22 to now Sometimes I'm like I've made peace with it. It's just what I do I have conversations to people and my kids are gonna hear one day like my kids listen to my podcast before Specific ones, but especially people that they like on it artists that they like they'll listen to this one I'm like your vault your most vulnerable moments, you know your kids are yeah, that's beautiful man. It's cool It's you know, we're fucking talking about aliens man. It's crazy Well, sorry your cat that's a fascinating thing to talk about. Yeah, it's talk about it, too It is everybody does it's one of those things where it's like if it's true It's real that the whole map that we have of reality is very different now These things really are visiting and they really are these super sophisticated creatures that have been here from the beginning They have been around as long as the earth's been around they've been visiting and checking in on us It'll change it'll change the trajectory of the entire universe Like you know, it'll like that's why I brought God up earlier And so I went into that fucking Chicago story But like it'll change how people have lived their lives for the last yeah 600 years, which is scary man That's gonna do something terrible Is it though is it scary or is it good? Is it just evolution is it just is is it just is it just is life. This is life This is what it is. Like you can just decide you wish we're living in 1967 when you had a fucking call on a phone that was give her meditate Sure, really? Yeah all the time. Is it is it out of just like purely? I do it when I want to clear my thoughts I do it in the sauna because it's a good way to concentrate Why I'm cooking myself Yeah, I've tried to before Sorry the way you said that they're like everything just is yeah, isn't that the thing? Isn't that what meditating is? It's like everything is coming and going for some people for some people's just a chance It's stillness or attempt at stillness you know, but It is it it is if the aliens are real. We're not gonna be able to change it because we don't like it Yeah, true. Does have to deal with it. Like just have to deal with it. Let's look all the war stuff We live in fascinating times. I Wonder if he doesn't that like a curse may you live in fascinating times who said that? Isn't that I think that was like an ancient curse people have had to have talked about this forever though. Oh Like forever, you know, like that's why I get freaked out by conversations like this. I'm like, man, are we just no because this is a different I mean, this is a no congressional disclosure. Yeah, this is the time where people who are on the inside are Being allowed to talk about these things. May you live in interesting times? The Chinese curse would say may he live in interesting times? That's a Chinese curse interesting We definitely live in interesting times we're writing songs and aliens exist and I'm writing and just live in life Listen man, I think we did like three hours Yeah time flew by Wow, yeah kick me a great time my friend. Thank you. It was awesome This is a pleasure and I really appreciate you coming in. It's been fun hanging out with you.