What Dr. Phil Learned from Tony Romo About Being a Winner | Joe Rogan

I've been talking about what makes people a champion. Like I talked to Tony Romo right after the Super Bowl about, you know, he came from Eastern Illinois University. It's like a, what, nine students or something? He's a little bit of university. And he turns out to be quarterback of America's team for 14 years, set all kinds of records and then goes to the booth and becomes the number one color analyst in television. I mean, champion, champion, champion. Why? You know, what is it? What do you attribute that to? I like asking those questions and hearing people talk. What do you say to young people about that? What made you a champion? Are you going to let your kids play football with all this CTE and stuff? What do you say? I mean, I like having those kind of conversations. I did the same thing with Shaq and Charles Barkley and different people. What did he say about what makes you a champion? You know, for him, he said that he has this, he says he didn't, he wasn't the kind of swagger sort of person that, you know, came in cocky like he was going to own the field and own the game. But inside, he said he had this absolute drive that if he didn't win, he couldn't live with it. It's like if somebody thought, like he played the game, somebody beat them, beat him, that just the idea that that person went home thinking that they were better than him, that they could beat him, that he just couldn't eat, sleep, think until he got back and owned it again and got back to it. He said it's this drive to win. And so he would, I mean, he said he would be out at one o'clock in the morning in the dome throwing a pass that that route got intercepted. He got jumped on that route. And he'd be trying to figure out why on Thursday in practice he saw what he needed to see, why didn't he see it on Sunday? And he would analyze and analyze and analyze until he could get there, until he could do it, until he could win it. He just had this drive to win. That super unhealthy obsession, they all share that. Michael Jordan had that. I mean, we've talked about that several times on the podcast. So many people that are extreme winners, they're psychotic and they're obsessed with winning. That's all they want to do. And if they lose, it's almost insufferable. They almost can't deal with it. Darrell Bock Yeah. And I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing, but the difference between winners and losers is winners do things losers do not want to do. They will get up in the middle of the night. They will do this. They will do that. Michael Jordan They feel it more. Darrell Bock They just do things losers don't want to do. They'll pay a price losers just don't want to pay. And losers say it's just not worth it. Michael Jordan And every winner has been a loser. Darrell Bock Oh, that's what made them a winner. If all you ever do, if you go through life in a success only journey, God, how boring would that be? I mean, you think it would be great, but it's like eating ice cream every meal. About the fourth meal you're going to be thinking, God, let's kill something and eat it.