We're Numb to Data Privacy Abuse | Joe Rogan & Bill Ottman

You're people are turning to social media almost before they turn anywhere you're looking You know I when I hear about something I almost always before I even Google it I almost always go to Twitter and check Twitter and you know and see what's going on and she's not go it Duckduck go. Have you heard of that one? No, what's that? It's like a privacy-focused search engine. It's like pretty much the only Privacy alternative to Google It's like this idea that we say I'll just Google it right. Why do we I mean? Our whole process has been to like purge proprietary surveillance tools from our Company and I've been trying to do it myself like getting off Facebook getting off Twitter getting off Instagram It's just like they're so abusive to everybody and it's like there's brilliant people who work there I mean Instagram is such a well-designed app right yeah, I mean beautiful But so what do you think is abusive about it particularly? There's start with Twitter They're all the same. They're all the same. Yeah, do you think they're all the same because they're all gigantic businesses Yeah, and they're all the same because none of them share their source code And they all spy on everybody and they don't show you what is happening behind the scenes They don't show you what the codes doing so like in that in that I wrote to you the other day It's like it's I compared to like food transparency You know 50 years ago nobody Thought about that and then 20 years ago everyone's like I want to know what's in my food Why but why wouldn't you want to know what's in your apps? Yeah, I mean it's super sketchy what they're doing But how so like what what super we don't know but we know that they're spying on everyone and tracking you everywhere you go They're targeting things that you based on physical location browser history even when you're not on those websites Some of their following around where you're going on the internet right and so some people Accept that for this free search engine with free email and things along those lines They set accept the fact that a certain percentage of what they're doing is not going to be private Mm-hmm, or at least their searches are not gonna be private Like save you search like you thinking about buying a Jeep and you search jeeps You look at you know 2019 Jeep and then all of a sudden all your Google ads are about jeeps, right? They're like we know we know you're thinking about a Jeep bill and I don't think that that makes people Want to spend more time on Google and Facebook. What do you think it does? Do you think it freaks them out? I think that we're just numb to it. And so we accept it. Yeah, I think it's more than Yeah, and So there's all different layers of like what we use With your browsers your apps your operating system your food Your you know government your energy like all of this technology Has code right that's associated with it. So and When you open up your computer when you sign into a browser when you open up an app you are empowering that app That's how the apps of the world become huge monstrous corporations is because we all use them every day, right? So if you switch from You know, oh at Mac OS to like a new Linux or like Debian or Ubuntu if you use brave or Firefox if you You know duck duck go is actually proprietary which is annoying but they are very privacy focused and then there's apps there's minds There's all sorts. There's other open source decentralized social networks out there that we can potentially federate with there's really cool new interesting protocols Like that and IPFS that are like more torrent style back end. So there's actually no servers In a giant warehouse like Facebook and Google it's more it's fully peer-to-peer Hmm and we're trying to balance it because it's not like decentralization equals good and centralization equals bad But like, you know in order to get a sweet app like Instagram style You need servers to like process video And so the tech is still sort of immature in the fully peer-to-peer like, you know Bitcoin style Internet, but we're definitely getting there and I just think it's important for people to use things That are transparent to them and respecting our freedom Yeah I think one of the problems with these giant companies is that once they become big you kind of use them as a default and it's Very difficult to get people to communicate with you off of them, you know, it's it's so hard to say. Hey, man I'm launching this new social media app. I would imagine you could speak to this I'm launching this new social media app and I want you to join it people like but I'm already on fucking Facebook I'm already on Google. I'm already on Instagram I don't want to do that man. It's too much And we make it a million times harder for ourselves because we're not scooping into people's contacts and You know taking all their information you're not we're minds. No, okay So like when you give your address book to an app who does that? Every most apps you'll be it. You gotta be an asshole, you know, no But when you say oh, I want to find my friends who are on this app and you share your contacts We're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that Yeah, but most people do and you know, your friends didn't give you permission to give Facebook their phone number Do you do that? I probably used to like seven eight years ago, but I don't do it anymore I always say the same thing when it pops up get the fuck out of here That's always what I say. Would you like to share your your contacts? Get the fuck out of here No, you can't have my contacts you asshole. I know what you're doing. Yeah, Facebook is a weird one, man It's so it's such a sneaky one, you know Facebook and you know, like all this The congressional hearings and the inner workings of it all and you there the fact that it Profits off of outrage so it wants people to argue Like the the AI the computer learning specifically wants people to have like Contentious debates about things because that keeps their eyes focused on the website And if your eyes are focused on Facebook, you know, then those Facebook ads are very valuable. It's really fascinating man I think the outrage is unavoidable on any network. It's more You know, are you gonna are you gonna take down they're taking down outrage Some yeah, so and it just seems so inconsistent and subjective