Rogan & Schaub on Charles Manson and True Crime Shows

But I was doing a show on Sirius with Jim Norton, and he brought in this, the guy who basically created Mindhunter, he's interviewed all the serial killers and speaks to him, and they brought him in, I think his name's John Douglas, they brought him in and he's just talking, it was fascinating, I was like oh shit, so I got his book, almost finished his book, I'm like this is great man, and then started listening to a podcast he's on, it's just about murder and death, and I started looking up all these Charles Manson stuff, and I've been having awful nightmares, and been a little depressed, and you know me, it's very rare I'm down, it's just a dark fucking world man. Yeah, you can watch those true crime shows, they'll fuck your head up. Dude, it makes you scared of everything. But it's also going on. It's going on in very small numbers, very, very small numbers, but it is going on. What it is is people that have been abused, people that have been fucked up, psychopaths, and people that have been through the correction system, through the penal system, yeah, that's a lot of it. It's so dark man. There's not that many of them. And this guy has three daughters, I was like, how can you, like he was talking about this seven year old terrible story, and I was like, how can you go home man and sleep? He's like, eventually it's just a job, like it does affect me a little bit, I'm like do you just lock up your kids? Like I'd be, like just from here and you, I don't want my son going to school, I don't want him leaving. He's like, nah, you learned to manage it, and he did say that, he's like, this is the exception, like there's some dark stuff out there, but these gentlemen, he interviewed Charles Manson, he was saying how he's five two, and he always has to speak over you, no matter what's going on, so they're in this room, there's three people, and Charles Manson, he got on a chair and stood over him, shouted down to him. What was he saying? I'd probably try and convert him into a fucking cult. You made me man, you people made me eat your garbage man. Hey man. I'm a product of your society, man. He's fucking crazy. He was crazy. He had a quote though, he has a quote though, I was reading, again, I'm too into it, man, I'm quoting Charles Manson, what's going on with my life. He was saying that it used to be like, you were an exception when you're crazy, now everybody's crazy. That's what Manson was saying? Yeah. He's like, you used to be kind of cool, the in thing to be crazy, now inside everybody's crazy. Well he made it popular. The fuck? Do you know how popular that fucking crazy serial killer is, and all his followers? Oh my God. Even to this day, like I was reading this article in Rolling Stones, how many books and even merch, and to buy locks of his hair is 50 grand, it's going for 50 grand to buy locks of his hair, and how he sells merch, that's insane. 50 grand for locks of his hair? Yeah. How much does a lock, like what does that get you? I don't know. Well you could cut a lock up and down. I lost out on the bid. Cut a lock in half, you know what I'm saying? What's up? Who's to say, how many? Joe, let's split it. Put it in here, bro. Who's to say how many hairs? Could be a big piece though. What if he shaves his balls and you give like a saran wrap baggie of his pubes? How much does that work? Hunter G's. Piece of his dick piece? Hunter G's, dude. Charles Manson dick piece. He was married when he died. The crazy bitches find serial killers in jail and marry them. Happened with Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. Yeah, there's some sexual thing to it, right? Yeah, some women want to be around killers, and even in particular, guys have killed women. How crazy is that? It's very crazy. Can you imagine when your daughter's in there, let's say 22. Marries a serial killer? In prison. At least she knows she's not gonna die, but safe. Look, there's people out there, I don't have to tell you, that do a fucking terrible job of raising their kids. It's one of the reasons why people like you, people like me, people that get into being a parent, that really enjoy it, when you see something like that, it's even more disturbing, because you know that when you see a serial killer or someone's fucked up, that person was a baby that had a terrible life, almost always. They just got a shitty roll of the dice, they got bad parents. It's usually the moms. It's the relationship with the moms that fuck them up. Not so much the fathers, usually it's the mother-son relationship. Really? Yeah, usually always mother-son, and that's what usually causes the horrible. That's why Norman Bates from Psycho was so dead on, right? Yep. And he's dealing with his mom, dressed up like his mom's dad. You hear that guy, he's the one who literally, he's Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson. He was talking about John Bonet, which I'm from Denver, went to school in Boulder. John Bonet Ramsey murder case was such a big deal. They still can't sell that house. They can't sell it. I had a buddy, my strength coach, Doc Crease rented it. I was like, ah, fuck a ghost, and moved in there. Like right after the murders. Anyway, so. How did he handle it? Did he freak out? Now he's cool. He's from Louisiana, like real tough dude, didn't give a fuck. He says he didn't give a fuck. They're missing a chromosome down there. Yeah, you'd be pretty crazy to move in there. Even though it was a great deal, and it was a great spot. It was for sale for years. For years, I think they might've knocked it down. They should. I drove to the OJ Simpson. They should knock it down. They should take out all the dirt and replace it with new dirt. Yeah, they should knock down everything. Just knock it down and dig a hole all the way to hell. Whatever the fuck dirt was there. It's so dirty, man. But that dude, he was just talking, talking, and it was fascinating. I didn't say a word. And then we went to John Bonet, I'm like, ooh, I'm gonna chime in here, because I know this case, and I know it well. And Jim asked him a question, and then it was like my time to jump in. I go, yeah, but yeah, but it's probably the parents, right? Or maybe the son. And he hasn't acknowledged me this entire interview. I don't know if Jim noted this. And he goes, what'd you say? I goes, and I could tell I fucked up. I goes, it's probably the parents or the son, right? And he goes, absolutely not, absolutely not Brendan. And then goes on how ridiculously of an assumption that is. And I go, well, who does he think did it? He was, it's not them. And he goes, the problem is the narrative that got painted outside of that, whenever the media was going crazy, and even the Boulder Police, he goes, they were so far off, and he listed like 10 reasons why it wasn't them. And I kind of felt like an idiot. I went, very cool, I'll buy the book. I'm gonna shut the fuck up now. The only problem was that a handwriting expert had connected the mother's handwriting to the ransom note. Dude, get him on this podcast, it'd be fucking fascinating. He's doing promotion right now. I have no idea who killed John Bennei Ramsey. John E. Douglas, this guy does. But I do remember. I don't think he knows. No, no, he knows it. He can tell you from his 70 years of experience dealing with murders, it's not the parents. But he had like evidence why it wasn't. Because I said the same things, right? I'm balls deep in John Bennei, I grew up around it. It was like such a culture phenomenon. Did he say who he thinks it is? Yeah, he did, and I forget. But it's not the parents. Someone who's alive? I don't know, you gotta have him on. I'm telling you, I've listened to a shitload of show shit and I was so into this, man. I didn't promote my special. I was there to promote my special. I didn't say a word. I made one stupid comment about John Bennei's family and then he was like, shut the fuck up. Those fucking shows are very compelling, man. You want some true crime shows? Why am I drawn to, am I fucked up? Why am I drawn to this serial killer shit? Well, if you are fucked up, you're just like everybody else. Because those shows are super popular. Why do I buy Charles Manson's pubes on eBay? How much do you pay? 70 G's, man. I can't even imagine. 70 G's, but his pubes, they plucked him out so it has some DNA in them. You could recreate Charles Manson. What is this, Charles Manson's hair? $2,400. That's a steal. This is for a bag of hair off the head of Charles Manson. It was obtained July 2016 from an associate of Charles Manson. Oh no, that's so good. A COA will be, certificate of authenticity will be included upon purchase, by the way. Do not warn. There are no certificates of authenticity when it comes to Charles Manson's hair. It's not like there's an accrediting body. It's DNA. It's definitely him. We go over every aspect of his purchase. That shit's weak though, man. You want that 1970s hair strain. You don't want the updated shit. You want to be there when he cuts it off, really. Yeah, you want to film him cutting it off, then you want to vacuum seal it and sign it and film the whole thing. You put it in one of them fucking vacuum bags, and then sell it. Yeah, that way, no one's touched it, chops right off his hair. You got video footage of it. You got video footage of him autographing the bag. The fuck is wrong with us? Why are we talking about this? Oh. Oh.