Joe Rogan on Sovereign Citizens and Tax Protestors

See, that is just not wise, right? That's just too much. It's too much to do. When people do that, when they just take on too many different... I've thought about other stuff, like doing other stuff, I've had offers to do other stuff and I start thinking about it, maybe I could find time for that. And then I give myself coaching. Like, I'm like, what would you tell yourself? I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're not doing anything else. Like, you could barely do all the stuff you're doing now. I think for me too, as I get older, especially like right now in my life, my leisure time is very important to me. Like, it means something. And I don't mean leisure, like sit around doing nothing, but like hobbies. Like stuff that I do, like lately I've been shooting guns. Yeah, I was jealous, man. Dude, you should come with us. I'm thinking about buying a gun. You should get a gun. You want to come with us tomorrow? Oh, wait a minute. What's today? Wednesday. I might be going tomorrow. We'll talk afterwards. But, I'm going soon, you know? You should come. It's fun. It's fun. You learn how to shoot guns. You're doing the tactical stuff. That looks fun. Yeah, it is fun, you know? It's like video game. But some people get mad. A lot of mad comments. Why? Just get mad. They don't want you shooting guns. Stop it. Stop it. Think of the children. Stop it. Blanks. Well, we're not shooting blanks. We're shooting real bullets. What? But it's, there's also a game that you can get. We're going to get for this studio. It's a real pistol. Like it looks like a real pistol and it has a six pound pull. So it feels like a real pistol when you pull the trigger. And it's like that techno hunt thing where you got a laser beam that shoots out and it even makes a noise like a gun. Like pow pow pow. And you're shooting zombies. No way. Yeah. And it's heavy. Like a pistol. So you have to hold it like a pistol. Dope. Yeah. Dude. That's badass. That keeps score and whatnot. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It tells you how many civilians you shoot, how many zombies you got. Because sometimes people come running around the corner and it's a zombie and then there's a civilian behind them. You got to make sure not to shoot. Are you guys rolling around and shit out there or are you just standing still in that area? We're not in a movie, bro. I know, but I don't know how much fun you guys are having. No. No, I'm not. It's not obstacles. I don't think it's a good idea to have dummies like me roll around with a gun in my hand. That's true. Somebody told me to buy a Glock 19. That was the gun to buy. That's a great gun. All right, cool. Yeah. You should, before you do anything, you should learn how to shoot. I've shot before. I've, I've gone a few times with you. Yeah. Yeah. For rifles, right? I shot in Burbank at the shooting place where you can just... Oh, they have a place near you? Yeah. It's right down the street. Yeah. It's fun, man. It's fun. We should have a JRE shooting range somewhere. Hell yeah. Yeah. Have a... We all went before that thing that... Yeah, we shot all the hard drives. Yes. That was fun, man. That was fun, wasn't it? It was. Rifle shooting is fun, but pistol shooting when you're holding in your hand, it's way more difficult. It seems to be... Is it more difficult? You think it's more difficult? More difficult to aim. I'm a rifle, and I shoot rifles so much, or I have shot them so much, it's easy. You just have trigger discipline. You just don't yank the trigger, just pull, pull, pull, pull, pull, pull, bang, and let it go off like a surprise shot. And I hit everything I aimed at. And he was like, okay, you've shot that before. But pistols, I've only shot pistols at a range with no instruction. I didn't know what I'm doing at all. And once you learn how to grip it, how to hold it, how to aim, you don't really hold that hard with your right hand, most of the pressure with your left. And the grip is very... It's not intuitive. You have to learn it. It's something that you have to be taught correctly. There's so many people there that are like, they shoot in competitions. And so when you watch them do it, you're like, oh, wow, Jesus Christ. There's levels to this. There's guys that can pull their gun out and shoot four shots inside of a second. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, in a second. Raw, pull, shoot, four shots inside of a second. That's crazy. Yeah, it's ridiculous. But they're just begging for someone to break in their house. There's people like that out there. There's people like that where you break in their house, you fucked with the wrong person. Well Tint said he's growing, so I think I need to get one. Just need to move. LA is going to be a giant homeless encampment. If you looked at the spread, if it was a disease, a deadly disease that was killing everybody, then you saw patient zero and then it spread like two people, four people, six people, 10 people. Now LA has more than 60,000 homeless people and every single underpass that you go to, you see camps now. It's not like it used to be. It's a totally different animal now. It's like the Walking Dead Man where it seems like it's growing, like Laurel Cannon, when you're going to Laurel Cannon off the 101. It used to be pretty normal. Last night or two nights ago when I went through it, it was like, there was no sidewalk anymore. If somebody wanted, had to walk on that sidewalk, good luck with it. You're going through Ewok Village. Yup, and needles and all kinds of fucked up and human shit. I mean, human shit's all over downtown LA. I've seen a lot of people shit like that. That's nothing compared to San Francisco. That guy, Zubi, who's on our podcast, he did a bunch of posts about his trip to San Francisco. It is so much worse. He was saying it was so much worse than he thought it was. It's so beyond comprehension. How many people are just openly shooting up drugs, shitting in the streets, homeless people everywhere. How do you fix that? And if you would think that if there's something that LA needed to fix out of all the things that LA complains about, the homeless problem is one of the most insurmountable problems. What do you do to curb that? How do you get these people homes? How do you clean these people up? How do you get them off drugs? How do you get them off the streets? How do you make it not a public nuisance? How do you make it so people aren't scared to go down streets? There are certain streets in downtown LA where you see the street. You're at the beginning of the mouth of the street and you're looking at the street like, I'm not walking down there. This is terrible. They need to open up the mental hospitals again. Whenever they closed them down, what, in the 70s or the 80s? That's what caused all this. They don't have those anymore. It definitely was a problem, but it seems like it's gotten way worse. Think about what it used to be 10 years ago. Think about what it is now. This 10 years ago, it was still decades after they closed down the mental institutions. They changed the standards. What it was was they had certain standards where you would be institutionalized and they changed those standards under the Reagan administration and just sent these people out into the streets. Everybody thought it was really cruel because here you're just releasing these people with all these severe mental health problems and just releasing them out into the street. That was a long time ago. Something has happened recently. I guess it's the economy. I don't know what it is, but another thing you're seeing around this area is mobile homes, like those campers, like Winnebago's, fucking everywhere. People just get enough money to get one of them mobile homes. They just park it on the street and they live in those things, which is just like a mobile camp. You get these gypsies that hang out and they cook on the sidewalk and shit. We used to have them here. They were hanging out and sunbathing on the lawn out here and the owner of the building was like, get the fuck out of here. What are you guys doing? This is in the park. Go to the park. You know what's worse? Sovereign citizens. What is that? There's people that don't drive, they travel and they don't follow the rules. If you watch live PD, they have one every episode, two every episode. They'll get pulled over and it's like they won't even roll down the window and they're like, I don't have to follow your rules, sir. They never have driver's license or insurance. Wow. It's like people that don't think taxes apply to them. They don't think the law applies to them. That's grown so big recently that it's so many people now that do this shit. It's the most grossest, like if you watch on live PD. What is live PD? Live PD is cops nowadays, but I think it's way better. Why is it way better? Because it's live. It's like four hours long and the hosts are- It's live? Live in the moment? Yeah. They have a whole control center like, all right, we got a speeding going on here. We got a, oh, there's a chase going on here. Let's go live over here. Yeah, it's my favorite. They also have it in Columbus, Ohio where they used to, but they just got rid of it. I didn't even know this was a thing. These sovereign citizens, what are they saying? They get pulled over and they say, I don't have to listen to you? Yeah, they pretty much say, your rules don't apply. They'll be like, give me your driver's license. Take you to jail for just a seat belt violation. Give me your license. I don't need to give you a license, sir. They have this shit to keep on repeating and they all go to these websites and they're reading on their phone, sir, I don't have to do this and that and this. And then they finally have to break their window and just drag them out and arrest them just for a seat belt violation. Some people are smart and do know what they're talking about though, but other people have just watched another video and they're like, oh, I don't have to listen to this guy. I'm a YouTuber. There's something uniquely satisfying about watching that. I get pulled over by the cops and he knows exactly what his rights are. And the cops are fucking up and he calls the cops on different codes and laws and the Constitution. And then he winds up driving off. I've seen that before. Yeah, they pull over the DA on accident. They're like, oh, do you see that? Yeah, or that woman that who was it in New York? She was like some kind of high up person that got pulled over and she starts yelling at the cops and shit like she lost her job the next day. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, that was ridiculous. She was trying to throw her weight around. Yeah. She was trying to throw her weight around on camera. Being a bitch. Corruption, man. That's corruption. You're a citizen, bitch. You know, everybody needs to realize there was one where a judge got pulled over and they let him slide, but he got in trouble afterwards as well because it's on camera. You know, and then someone finds that video and it's like, hey, man, you're our citizen. You're like us. Like if you're speeding or something like that and they pull you over, you can't get out and act like you own these cops. It's I mean, you got to give your fucking driver driver's license. You got to, you got to show them your identification. If you're doing something that's an infraction or a violation, that's the whole reason why we have cops. Do you want everybody just driving 150 miles an hour with no ID and masks on? No. So you have to have rules. So these are the rules. If you do something that breaks the law, they got to be able to pull you over and give you a fucking ticket and incentivize you to drive correctly and also find out if maybe you're running from the cops and also they pull you over, they get your ID, they go, oh, hey, man, you got a murder warrant out for you. So please step out of the car with your hands up. I mean, this is the whole reason why we have cops in the first place. And these people that think they don't have to pay taxes and the laws don't apply to them. It's all unconstitutional. Good luck with that case. Good luck with the Ask Wesley Snipes how that worked out. Yeah. That shit. They put Wesley in fucking jail for a long time. Lauren Hill too, from the goddamn Fugees. They put her in a cage for like a year, right? How long did she go to jail for? And it was a taxes thing too, man. They get these wacky, whether it's an attorney or a tax professional or some wacky advisor tells them they don't have to pay taxes and they read some internet thing. It says, actually, it's unconstitutional. It's only supposed to apply during war time. Like listen, pay your fucking taxes. Okay. You can protest all you want. You think it's unjust. That's good. They will put you in a fucking jail. And if you're a famous person is trying to pull that off, especially a famous rich person, look, it's not good, but it is what it is. They're going to make an example of you. How long did she go to jail for? Three months. That's it? She only went to jail for three months. Can't tell. Hmm. Since she was released from a federal prison, women's low security office, all female facility. Just the fact they put her in a fucking cage is crazy. Like is she a danger to the public? Like what is going on here? She owes you money. How come that's the one money that you can't just pay back? You know, you can't just pay it back. How come I can't just pay it back? Nope. Not good enough. You still have to pay it back. And go. Yeah. And yet they take away your ability to earn a living for a long time. Like Wesley Snipes, how long was he in jail for? He was in jail for like a solid year. A whole year behind bars, put a halt to his career and all because he owed some taxes because he had some wacky dude that was telling him he didn't have to pay taxes. How long? He had a three year sentence. Three years. Imagine that man. Because of money. They lock you in a goddamn cage. It's not like he stole money. It's not like he held up a bank. It's not like he was a violent person that was a danger to society. No, he owed some taxes. He made money. Yeah. And they had, they're taking his money. Yeah. He made money, but he didn't give his share up to the government. So the government decided to lock him in a cage to punish him and to make a statement to everybody else. It's also like you pay taxes. You get taxed on your paycheck and then you get sales tax. You're getting taxed how many times? You know, getting taxed a lot. 10 times. Well then that's why places like Nevada, people like because in Nevada, you don't have to pay state taxes. So you make a, you can save a lot of money. Florida, same thing. Like I know a dude who moved to Florida because he was going to sell his business. So he's like, look, I'm going to move to Florida and establish residence in Florida for a few years and then sell my business. So I'm a Florida resident and then I have to pay nearly as much money. I'd say if you own a big business, it can save you a ton of money. It's just weird that it's different everywhere you go. You know, like some places just don't have state tax. You don't have to pay. Yeah. Montana has different taxes. Colorado has different taxes. They're all of, everybody's got to like a different setup, different amount that you have to pay for this and that. Over, it's a weird thing that like a lot of the big corporations have their headquarters in Delaware for some reason. It's like somewhere tax law for that. Yeah. It's like a nice little tax haven. Something like that. Well, isn't that why the juice moved to Florida? Didn't OJ move to Florida because they couldn't take his pension that way? Well, he owes money based off the lawsuit for the civil suit. Yeah. But he has a pension. Right from NFL. Yeah. So they can't take or something. Right. They can't fuck with that pension. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.