Joe Rogan and Rashad Evans Compare DMT Experiences

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Rashad Evans is a former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, and a 2019 inductee of the UFC Hall of Fame.

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Everybody has their own awakening, you know, and if some people may not have that in this life, you know, they may never have that awakening. But some people are burdened by their environment as well, right? There's too much stress and anxiety. Well, you can't even say it. Yeah, sometimes you don't have space. And that's why I even give a nod to the psychedelics in that respect, when if you don't have the ability to have that mental space, there is something that can help have you have that, you know, the insight that somebody who was doing all the meditation, because all you really need to do is feel it to understand why you need to do it. Yes. And that's why I was, I'm lucky that I was able to feel it. So now it's nothing for me to meditate and go to all these, you know, spiritual practice, because I know that is something real. But beforehand, I was like, man, that shit is not real. I don't believe that man. Like, oh, yeah, you feel an energy, huh? Like, I mean, I used to I used to be one of those guys, but until I went through it, I'm just like, you know, I don't have that understanding. Well, it's hard to see the result. You kind of have to trust the process. It's hard to see the result before you've experienced it. You kind of have to trust the process, go through it. Then something for me, for me, a big one is yoga. I'm a big believer in yoga and not just for physical reasons, for mental reasons. It helps me tremendously. And when I don't do it, I'm good. I'm good. Like legitimately, I should do yoga twice a week because I'm really only good for about three days after yoga class. Like I need to just really balance out. If I was doing it three times a week, there's not a thing in the world that could fuck with me. Yeah. Mentally, I'd be like, I'm fine. See, I've done the Bikram's yoga. And that shit was just so hot, I really couldn't focus. That's the key though. I know. That's a get you through. But I wasn't where I am right now. You should do it now. So tell me, like when you, you go to Bikram? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, my place is not affiliated with Bikram anymore because he's got arrested for some scumbaggery. He's actually been arrested. I don't think he could come to America. I think that's the thing. I think he's kind of like staying hiding. The thing about it, that guru life, that's the problem. That is a problem. It really is a problem when any one person has that much influence over so many people, particularly a male having so much influence over females that worship him, especially if you're a scumbag. And he, there's a thing about this. He did not invent those postures and he didn't even invent that sequence. He brought it to America and he popularized doing it in very hot rooms. The benefits though, forget him, take him out of the equation because there's so many people that practice it and they've had incredible benefits from it. It's really unfortunate that it's connected to this very controversial individual because then people associate Bikram Yoga with this guy that's been, you know, accused of multiple sexual assaults and rapes and all these different things. But you take that away from him as a human being and the people that practice it, what they get from it. First of all, you know exactly what you're going to do every day. There's 26 postures and two breathing exercises, one breathing exercise in the beginning, 26 postures, one breathing exercise at the end. It's 90 minutes. It's 90 minutes at 105 degrees and it's fucking brutal. And I did it right before I got here. I do it, I like to do it in the mornings, first thing in the morning. I do it before I've eaten anything. I go through a 90 minute yoga class. I really like doing it that way. And then at the end of the day, I have a couple of different places that I do it at. I like to mix it up. But that hot yoga for me is the way to go because first of all, I know the postures. They all serve a purpose in terms of like helping my body, helping my balance, keeping my flexibility, strengthening my joints. There's so many really positive physical benefits from it. And then two, the meditation aspect of it because no matter what kind of bullshit I have going on in my life, if I just breathe and think about the exercise and then, you know, my brain starts racing and I'll forget what I'm doing and I'll start thinking about other shit. But I bring it back, bring it back, bring it back. Breathe. Just breathe. You're not going anywhere for 90 minutes. You're locked in this room. Literally the door's locked when the class starts. So I am just breathing and going through these. And I know that I can get through it because I've done it a thousand times before. Just breathe and get through it. And there's a cleansing of like all the, your brain, there's like residual, there's residue of like shitty thoughts bouncing around inside your brain, anxieties and fears and regrets and anger and frustration and all this shit that's in your head that just gets in the way of clear thinking. It gets in the way of being able to see things in an objective, beneficial way. And to be able to see things the way other people see them as well. Like sometimes I, you know, I have this issue and I think a lot of people do, that I don't see how other people are seeing things. I see how I see things. And then I go, well, okay, let me, let me look at it from their way. Let me just abandon. Oh, no, no, no. Well, they're fucking wrong. That's why abandon all that shit and try to look at it from other people's ways. I feel like what yoga does for me is it allows me to be free. It allows me to clean up all my preconceived notions and clean out all my misconceptions and just see things, see things for how they are. And I always feel better always. See, I got to try that. Oh, it's the best. Especially now that you're on this vegan diet, I'm telling you, you're on that path. Anyway, the yoga is, it's just so good for straightening your fucking head out, man. I always wanted to try the Kundalini yoga. That's the shit that's supposed to make you trip. Yeah. I've had a bunch of friends do it. They say, my friend Denny, he's done it and had like serious, and he's done DMT too. He's like, dude, it's the same goddamn thing. You have full blown visions. You have full blown psychedelic visions. Yeah. That's the thing. When I do the DMT, I don't have, it's weird. I don't have those visions. Those visions. Okay. That's because you're doing five-menthoxy dimethyl trip to me. Divisions come from NN dimethyl trip to me. Yeah. Totally different thing. I've done both. I've done that before. You've done NN? Yeah. And you have no visions? No, I have visions. It's kind of like, it's just like silly things though sometimes. One time I did it, I've seen this half, it was like I awake and I'm in a place and I'm just with these three massive beings, tall as a building, and they were half human and they were half snake. And I had a snake from the waist down and they had a human from the waist up, but had a snake face. Whoa. Yeah. And that was one of the visions that I had. What do you think that represented? I don't know, but it was weird because during that experience it was like all three of them were staring at me and they were looking down and then one of them reached for me and then I started going up and then I started going around their body and then I went around the body and then as I was going around the body every once in a while I would see the face of it and it would open up like a cobra and then it would close. But it wasn't scary, it wasn't terrifying and I went all the way up the body and it was like I was able to see from another angle like me up in the body and then it opened me up like a flower or something like that. It was weird and then my trip went like super, super fast. So you definitely have had visions. Yeah, I just can't quite make out what it... I had a bunch of jokers giving me the finger the last time. A bunch of jesters, like court jesters. See, I never seen nothing like that man. It was ridiculous. I heard about the machine. Fuck you! All like circling me, like infinite numbers of guys. Basically the feeling that I got was like oh I take myself too seriously and these jesters were just going fuck you. Like you don't like that, you don't like when someone goes fuck you. So they were going fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you. And it was like, but they weren't saying the words but they were definitely giving me the finger. But there was like an infinite number of jesters surrounding me going, giving me this vibrating finger and I was like oh but it was clear what they were saying. Like hey bitch, you take yourself too seriously. And then I was like you're right, you're right. And once I was like you're right, they were like nah, nah. I'm like mm-hmm. Oh, okay. See that's what I like. I like to be able to work, like that's work. Yeah. Like you went and you worked through something, you know? Yes, yes. I think when you work too hard at something and you're trying to achieve something, like oftentimes you think very highly of yourself. Like I should, you know my Netflix specials gonna be the shit, this is gonna be the best one I've ever done, I'm gonna fucking show everybody how good this is. And they were like fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you. And I was like okay, all right, yeah you're right. I was like you're right, this is silly. It's like I'm just alive for a certain amount of time and I shouldn't think that way. I mean there's part of you that gets trapped in thinking that way because you're trying to do something. But you don't have to think that way to do the thing. Right. You know? Yeah. So that's the thing like those visions and being able to, like when I did ayahuasca, I didn't have any visions man. I didn't have anything. Like I had a, I got into a pretty good space but I wasn't, like I didn't have like the typical teaching lessons everybody else has when they do something like that. That seems like you probably didn't get a strong enough dose. No, I did, I did, I did three large, two large cups. The thing is with that, and I'm speaking just from people talking to me about it because I've only done the pure DMT, I haven't done the ayahuasca. I haven't done the ayahuasca. People say that a lot of these people that are making it, they're not making, either they're not making it correctly or they're making a light dose because they're worried about gringos going crazy and you know, they don't want to be responsible for that shit. So I know people that have gone and they've had these experiences where they've done it with someone in America or someone who's done through a more commercial sort of organization and it wasn't really that strong or profound and then they went and did it with someone who was real, someone who's making some fucking super high grade, you know, 97 octane shit. That's what I need. Oh fuck. That's what I need. After that I felt like, damn, I must be broke, man. I must be broken. I can't even feel the damn ayahuasca. But it brought, it didn't give me the experience I wanted but it gave me the experience that I needed, you know? And that's something that I got after I was over the disappointment of it. I was like, you know what, I didn't get what I wanted but I definitely got what I needed, you know, because whenever you sit in a circle and stuff like that, it's always an amazing cathartic thing where you just kind of just like shed and just go through those emotions. Just watching other people just be so raw with their emotions and just kind of feeling that, you know, just through symbiosis, you kind of like start to feel like the work come through you, you know? That's how I felt anyway. 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