#2147 - Mike Baker

Mike Baker, it's very important that I ask you about this. What's that? Because I know you're an expert on conflict. How do you feel about the Kendrick Lamar and Drake Beef? Man, I am so glad you asked me about this. Because my boys, you know, I got three boys, and all three of them have mentioned this in the past few days, right? And they wanna talk about it, right? So Scooter will say, God, did you hear what he said? And I was like, you know, honestly, no, I haven't. But they've all brought this up. I am completely unfamiliar with the, although it sounds like the old days, East versus West, right? In the old rap battle. I think it's a personality thing because one of them is Toronto. So it's actually America versus Canada. Oh, well, that's a real conflict there. And which one is the little guy? Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick Lamar, that's right. Yeah, so that's what my middle boys slug goes out. I think he's like five foot one or something. He's not a big fellow now him and Drake have been going out at now four songs piece So eight songs dedicated to beef. I think that's fantastic. I think we need more of that right? It's better than the Hamas got sick security guard injured in shooting outside Drake's home in Toronto. Oh Jesus Christ Damn it was a drive by, the security girl was outside. So he was shot. I think unconsciously taken to the hospital. Oh my God. See, it was do not know whether the shooting was related. Well, what was it? Take a fucking guess. You think it was a drive by. It was a drive by. It might be related. Well, that's when shit gets scary it's scary when people start shooting at each other. No, when it was just, because I think it was Slogo who told me that one of them, I think it must have been Treyk who was talking about his, he distant by talking about his size seven feet or something. And that's fine. I think it's great. If everybody were just like, if the Israelis and Hamas would go after each other in song. [2:00] Battle raps. Yeah, battle raps. Yeah, why not? Yeah, dance on. That's how they should do it. Yeah. This is, this, it was hilarious, but everybody's invested in this beef. My oldest daughter and my wife were in the car this morning, and they were having a conversation. There's two grown-ass women having a conversation about who's the superior rapper. And it felt that Kendrick is a better lyricist, although Drake has more hits. Drake has more hits. Start it from the bottom now we're here. And we look, he's got some bangers. They both have bang, I love Kendrick Lamar. I just wish these two would hug it out. Yeah, well now it's moved on to the firefight stage of the battle. Yeah, well now they're shooting. Yeah. What did you say, Jim? Kendrick's first big point was that it's It's 20 verse one because Drake has all those ghost riders helping to make all these hits. Mm. So that's an allegation in the rap community apparently that Drake hires ghost riders. I don't know how I feel about that. So I feel like the same way I feel like, if I find out that someone, there's a banging song, like Beyonce has a song out. I don't get upset if she didn't write it. Do you get upset? It's mostly only in rap the people are like you didn't write that like comedy like comedy like the same thing with comedy country song [3:07] They don't care country. They do care Guys like Zach Brian shine through because they write their own shit, but it's very collaborative the country's a huge Collaborate sure Tennessee Tennessee whiskey right Tennessee whiskey was a song oh Chris table Yeah, but but you know he didn't write it and he wrote, I thought he did write. No, he came out. He performed it. Yeah. He wrote it. Yeah. He came out years before. He wrote a lot for other people though. Yeah. But yeah, I just like I haven't even think there's tons of stuff. They write for each other. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah Well, they were wrong and it's and it's and it's a very it's a smaller community right? They think you know the country music community and then that does tend to get more crossover between musicians and writers right? I mean a lot of them will start out like you said it's writers Conceal whiskey countries saw written by Dean Dylan and Linda Hargrove It is originally recorded by artist David Allen Cofer, [4:05] it's album the same name, peaking at number 77 in the Billboard Hot Country Singles in 1981. Wow, George Jones, 1983 version of the songs included on his album Shine On and reached number two on the Hot Country Singles chart. What great artist. Did you hear that Randy Travis? Randy Travis is using AI now to make new songs because he was paralyzed by a stroke, but because they could take his voice, which is an iconic voice. Randy Travis has incredible voice. But because of AI, they can get recordings of him singing and he could plug it into AI and he can still make songs. And you know how much of a recording they need nowadays to actually mimic the entire range of a person's voice is 30 seconds. What less than that now start not that long ago was 30 seconds now you need a snippet by a snippet I mean seconds yeah and you can then you can you can then mimic that voice to arrange emotions and and and scenarios. It's stunning. There was a guy who just [5:07] got fired because he made a fake AI recording of a guy he worked for, saying a bunch of racist things. And the guy, like everybody was attacking him, he got in trouble and then they somehow another did an analysis on it. And real director did it to the principle of the high school. Which is lots of get fired. So he's like, I'm starting to get fired, watch this. Right, he thought he's being slick. But he's a dummy and he didn't know that they can tell. They can analyze audio recordings and tell whether or not they're real. How did they do that? How can they tell? Well, I won't specifically, I think someone else was, like, it was a conversation between two people and they were both like, I didn't hear that and I didn't say that. So they were like, well, what could have happened? I mean, there's this, I think they got the guys computer to find out what he's talking about. So he must have a secret recording and then in that secret recording, he took it and then threw it through AI and had him say a bunch of N words in there. Yeah. There's two aspects of this whole thing, right? [6:07] There's the detection portion of it, right? Can you detect something like this as fake, whether it's audio, whether it's video, combination of both. And then there's the other side of it, which is trying to stay up with the capabilities of those that are trying to do these identity thefts or whatever you want to call it. And that's sort of the proactive effort to lock down recordings. And there's some interesting work being done in that space where if you film something, say you go to a campaign rally and you film that campaign rally, there are a handful of companies out there figuring out that you can essentially water market, right, so that it cannot be fucked with, right? And that you can determine if it's an actual recording or not. And that's really, I mean, you think about how much disinformation is roiling around out there now. Right? So, but detection, it's important, but it's not enough anymore. [7:01] So where the focus has to be is on ensuring that anything that's being recorded. Whether it's a body cam for a police officer, whether it's maybe someone's at a protest, and they're a protestor or they're on the other side, whatever, to be able to film something and then ensure that it's accurate and true going forward. That's a really important part because you can't, the detection side of it of its important But it can't stay up with the developments of all the folks out there all the criminal gangs criminal elements And whether it's state sponsored or not that's out there You know just with this disinformation effort. So I mean, it's a fascinating. It's a fascinating problem But people are getting duped constantly. It's a fascinating problem that is only going to get worse as these new versions of AI Get rolled out. It's going to be more and more difficult to detect what's true and what's fake. And people can do it on their computer so easy now. I was just one of Biden. He's walking and he pauses to talk to people [8:00] and they CGI'd shit like that he's pooping himself. I saw that. The one where he kind of stops. He's into that weird pause. He's got a fart. Yeah. He just seeing him poop himself. And people are out there saying, look, that's a mid stage dementia stance, right? That's what they're saying now. They're talking about that. I don't know about that, but. But look, there's some things going on. There are, if you talk about just, what do they call a face swap, right? So they can take a photo of somebody now. They can take a little snippet of somebody talking now. And there are over a hundred apps out there readily available to anybody that can basically do this face swap technology and put somebody else in there and criminal elements are doing it all the time. So if I'm a fraudster and I send a note say to somebody in procurement and I say, hey, you need to send a check for $100,000 to our vendor. [9:03] Here's the details. Well, they might have protocols in place of the company. So it's okay, well, first of all, this is a large transaction. I better call the finance director, right, or whomever. They've got a way that they can figure out how to spoof all of that, right? So you could be talking to whom you think as the finance director, but they'll actually with the phase swap technology available out there, right? It's somebody having a conversation. You think it's the finance director, but they're talking to you. And completely different person. Completely different person. The voice gets changed. Their face gets changed. They look exactly like you. So I could use face swap technology that exists today. And with all the recordings that we have of you from this show. Oh fuck yeah. 100%. We could have you saying a bunch of shit that you never really said And some shit that I probably did say Yeah, that's some shit, but um let me ask you this like when they're doing this All this all this face swap technology and all this different stuff like [10:00] What what can be done to try to keep ahead of it to make sure like from a national security perspective, like how do you, how do you keep, how do you know? Right. There's a couple of parts to that. Like Netanyahu, all of a sudden has some crazy speech and says some wild shit and like we're going to war like hey, yeah, is that real well what they I mean again part of it is like there's a handful of companies out there and They will they they're able to again record and it instantly as it does it it embeds Information right in a beds specific time location You know your coordinates in the record and And it's in there, right? And then it's sort of a blockchain system where then on the other side, the person can look and go, yeah, this is accurate, this is correct, right? But people have to be able to take that, and that's I guess where I'm going with this, people have to be able to take that step to ensure that what they're watching is accurate. So when people say, well, how do you prevent this? How do you keep this from happening? [11:07] The unsatisfactory answer just to a large degree is, it comes down to individual people, right? Everybody has a big fucking responsibility now, more so than before, to understand what they're looking at listening to watching. Right, we're fucked. We're fucked. Well, now we're really fucked. I don't want to sound cynical, because there's too many people that are concerned about drinking Kendrick Lamar and don't even know what's going on in Gaza. They're much more concerned with that. We have a lot of 84 IQ years out there bouncing around, walking into traffic. 84, what is that average nowadays? Or is that, I don't even know I think it's 15% of the population is 84 and below right is that what it is 50% that would also be 15% is whatever 100 plus and above what's the actual numbers let's get a pie chart of IQs it's a standard deviation thing for see already I know that you're above 84 just because you said that yeah [12:03] you said standard deviation. Wow. Any Googles with one hand. Yeah. So like, that's because Carl's being petted. Just no matter what, almost no matter what thing you're trying to average out, they're almost always end up looking this way. And 15% will always be inside of it. What percentage, 0.1% are 55 and below? Fuck. 2% of the population is 70. Jesus, between 55 and 70, 2% of the population. And then 14% of the population is 85. Yeah, but 34% is below 100. So most people are between 85 and 115. And me, I'm in that sweet zone, between 115 and 130. Oh yeah, really? That's impressive. I suspect I'm to the left of that somewhere Yeah, I've never taken an IQ test. I took one at two o'clock in the morning And I wasn't even awake. I wanted to say and I said I should probably take some alpha brain take this bitch again and get fired up But I didn't I'm happy with my score. Yeah [13:03] I mean I just want to know, I wasn't really stupid. Yeah. Well, God. That's, okay, that's interesting. So, you know, a lot of people hanging out in the 85, the one 15. I don't think, the real issue with all this stuff though is emotional intelligence and social intelligence. And there's people that are very brilliant people that I know that suck at those other things and that's held them back in life. So are you smart? Are you really smart? If you're emotional intelligence, suck so hard. Yeah. Yeah. You're ability to read social cues. You're ability to form meaningful friendships. Suck so hard that you're isolated and nobody likes to be around you, but you have a high IQ. So I'm supposed to think that's good That seems dumb. I mean it works for some people I suppose Doesn't though. Well, that's a recipe for an unhappy life. Yeah, well, I mean you never know you get you get somebody who's who You know they're a brilliant scientist and they just they have very little social life Maybe they're happy and in the science lab. I don't know that But I agree. Empathy is, I mean, we try to work with our kids all the time [14:08] on that, right? I mean, you want a well-rounded kid. Our job is to raise not average children, but you want them to be well-rounded. And empathy, being able to read social cues, read a room, that is super important. My kids are all very kind, and I love that. It makes me very, very happy. They're very kind. They're kind to people. They're kind to their friends. They're kind to people. They feel bad when someone's not doing well. They're kind. That means a lot. I'm very happy they got that from us. I think it's they get that from you. They get that from probably more from Mrs. Rugby. I'm nice though. And I work real hard at it too, because I don't have instincts to be nice. My instincts should not be very nice. My instincts are survival the fittest. It's very hard to put that aside. It's kind sometimes, but it always feels better when I do. It is, and that's how kids learn to do it. [15:03] People always ask, you know, about with parenting, the kids are watching from the time they're nuggets, right? And they absorb shit. And, you know, if you want your kid to be empathetic, you've got to demonstrate that. You've got to demonstrate kindness, you've got to demonstrate consideration. Our boys, my daughter's great, my daughter is very good in our our boys are boys. They're aggressive and competitive and all that. But I think ours probably follow the traditional sort of multi-kid path. So like the oldest boy is empathetic, right? And kind and considerate. And youngest boy is probably a savage. Youngest boy's, he's like the fucking mayor of party. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. Because he's got the fucking mayor of party. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. He's got to deal with the older brothers. Exactly. He had to grow up quicker. Yeah, and the middle boy, he's the better at things too. Yeah, actually, you know what? He says, my wife says, who's the greatest person? I know she calls him the sleeper, right? Because he kind of comes in on the radar. You don't expect him to be great at something and then he is, right? Because he's been watching and he's pissed off [16:06] and he wants to be better than his brothers. Yeah, right. And then the middle boy is just like, he's just like, fuck you, get out of my way. You know, he's the basketball player. He's in his own, I.M.G. He's gonna focus. Yeah, that's because there's a lot of people around and realize can't constrain other people of being happy. God do what he wants. Yeah, that's right. So I mean, I think that's not dynamic, right? It is. And you think about it and you think about, they all grow up and people talk about this all the same environment. And then they end up being so uniquely different in ways. They're different out of the box. This is a boy genetics plays a factor. My God plays a factor. And you realize that when you see your kids grow up and you see traits that like there is no fucking way, this is getting to you anyway other than genetics. There's no way. Yeah. Because I mean, at a certain [17:02] point, yeah, they start to take some influence from their friends Yeah, you know, and they oh yeah, but by then hopefully you've kind of already set there whatever their moral compass Right and they know what they're supposed to do maybe they stray off that path occasionally, right? But for the most part no, they I think you've got to You've got to set the parameters. you've got to set the course kids, little kids want to know what the hell's expected of them. I'll tell you one thing, reports from the front lines of kids in high school today, that woke shit's out the window, that word retard comes flying at these kids' mouths. They're bringing that back strong. They are bringing that back strong. I'll tell you that woke thing, it got into college and then the high school kids the ones coming up now Yeah, they are rejecting it. I 100% agree with you and I know that because our youngest Mugs he's like what 12 years old now and so he's in seventh grade and he it was in the complete blast zone of woke [18:03] Right, okay, and like the oldest one who's 16, he kinda had some of it. The middle one, again, didn't care. He was like, fuck you, you don't play ball, so I'm not paying attention to you. And but the youngest one was in the complete firing, fire zone of this world culture. And you'll never meet a more conservative, sexist kid in your life. Because he's just like, I'll come back and he'll tell us some stories from his, his school, which is a great school, but it's, it's pretty woke. It's pretty liberal, right? You got, you got kids walking around its furries. You got a lot of multi-colored hair. You got all sorts of things going on there. And, uh, and he'll come back and tell us stories and he just say I just don't understand what the hell's happened And so it works harder to sport. Yeah, that's what you get from a lot of people that work hard at sports people The value hard work and people that value hard work tend to be more conservative and less inclined to indulge people on their mental illness You know, oh, you're a cat. No, you're not you have cat ears on they don't look like a cat You don't even have a good costume on. Like you're not tricking people in the dark. [19:07] Yeah. Okay. Shut the fuck up. You're not a cat. Yeah. You're just 12 and really confused and I get it. He came home one day and he said, he said some girl turned around dressed as a cat and kicked him, right? Because she thought he had pulled her tail and then apparently she hissed at him and walked away and he was like I didn't fucking pull it out. Oh my god. I don't want anything to do with him. Yeah, so she hissed at him. Jesus Christ Yeah, this is so indulgent that's so crazy Yeah, you know, it's interesting is like Tucker Carlson has a very had a very good point when he talked about the difference between Different dysphoria like body dysphoria for like anorexia versus gender dysphoria. And he said when a child has body dysphoria and they think they're fat, you don't tell them, oh yeah, you are fat. No, you help them. You say no, you're not fat. This is just a mental disorder. But when someone says I'm a boy, you say, oh, you are a boy. You don't say, dude. Look at you. Sweetie, your name is Dorothy. [20:05] Yeah. Shall we go, this is crazy. This is crazy. This is crazy. Dorothy, where did I come over Dorothy? Dorothy. Are people still naming the kid Dorothy? I don't think, I think no. Bring it back. I think Dorothy, Carol, nobody named her That's right. Yeah, people don't like what they're like. God, how bizarre. Yeah, it's a weird one. So, but you're right. It's the indulgence. It's and again, look, everybody, you find do what you want to do. I don't need to go along with it. I don't need to celebrate it. I don't need to, you know, and that's, but that's what's expected. It went past, like, maybe I'm a little bit different. I'm gonna go through a phase in life. Now it's like, I'm going through a phase and you better fucking well accept it. It's also, there's- There's like a value, a social value, to having anxiety, there's a social value to what you will call childhood trauma, you know, or social value to like everybody has PTSD from like, it could be from like high [21:07] school, it could be like from minor stuff, but it's looked at as, oh, we have to be, you know, we have to be considered of someone's past. Everybody's got trauma. That's a part of life, but the answer is not to over-endolge every single aspect of everyone's ideas so that you do let a kid wear a fucking tail and ears and run around the high school Be a freak because like that's not good either. Yeah, that's not healthy Well, it's crazy. It's not healthy and it's and it's confusing for those kids too, right? I mean, I honestly believe if you if you address it properly right and you and you deal with it it's long term better health for that individual right which is what you want right you want everybody wants it and you know but we've got I don't know if you want to go up once you're grown adult and you got your own job and you pay for your own apartment you want to go to a furry [22:00] convention god bless you god bless you I just don't think you should be able to wear a fucking tail in school and hiss at people. That just seems silly. Yeah, it seems silly. Also, my friend's son goes to a school where you can't wear hats. So you can't wear hats in class, but kids can wear like fucking duck ears, or duck's one. Yeah, ducks don't have ears. Like, don't they? How do they hear? They have, they don't stick out. Okay. I was going with a stupid animal from some reason duck. That's how you know I'm not invested in this idea. I think a duck with ears would be a good looking duck. You had fucking dog ears or cat ears. What a fucking thing you are. Raccoons. Our boys school. So we can't wear hats either. Our boys school. Yeah, they can wear hats, but they can wear these stupid fucking ears is my point. Yeah. You know what? It's like a headband, I guess. Or, you know, this time of year is a great time of year. And it's a great time of year because speaking of hats and everything is it. This time of year is is is a crew cut, flat top season. So the youngest one, Mugsie, went ahead and the other day and got himself a buzz cut. It's nice. There is, we used to go, all my brothers and I, [23:06] we knew it was, some were was approaching when my dad would say, okay, there we go. And we had a home clipper kit, right? And there was something great about that flat top, that crew cut, right? And so anyway, he's got his crew cut going on. And I suspect he's the only one in this entire school that's got this and it's a good look for him, right? And it also, you know, it, I, again, I think there's, there's so much happening in the school in terms of the way kids are, what's the word among it for, coddled, right? That, you know, I feel proud about Mugsie because he he comes walking into school and there's no mistake And like this kid is not it's kid is not angsty. He's not worried about anything, right? He's he's got the crew cat going on Yeah, man This is a very unique challenge for these kids to get through this bullshit and come out of the other end No understanding that no one's gonna save you you're responsible responsible for yourself in life and you gotta get after it. [24:06] You gotta actually do something. If you want a successful happy life, you have to be engaged in some sort of a pursuit, something that you enjoy, whatever the fuck it is, find it, go for it, hard work is important. The world really does operate on a meritocracy except in corrupt situations. But it's also battlefield, right, for these kids to minefield. It's probably better way to put it in. Minefield. So you've got, yes, you've got the kids, you want them to do all those things, right? Play sports, be involved in hobbies, activities, whatever it is, stay busy, focus on your grades, be balanced, be nice to people. But they're walking through this minefield every day there's a potential for them right to to upset somebody who's looking to be upset and I'm talking about 12 13 14 15 year old kids right who are looking to be insulted right and and very quickly Use the system that's been put in place right which caters to them right and so And so it is, you know, and, and, you know, my boys, you know, have run a foul of that system [25:07] a couple of times for, you know. It's lunacy. Maybe speaking their mind. Maybe not saying, calling someone of them. Yeah, addressing someone as a plural. Yeah. One of my kids went with a they them, went to school with a they them. And this girl wore fucking makeup. She wore makeup and dresses. But she said she was non-binary and she would get upset if someone didn't call her they or them. How old at the time? 11? 12? 12? Yeah. 12 of us. Yeah. What the fuck, man? Were you worried? Were you worried about that sort of thing when you were 11 years old? I didn't even know it was a thing. Now, I don't think I realized it was a thing until I was 50. Yeah. I never heard a non-binary. I mean, I would imagine that there are people that are asexual. They're not interested in a track of physical affection. They're probably on the spectrum. God bless you. But is that what non-binary means? No. But that's like asexual. Asexual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when you say you're not a boy or a girl, okay, if you were a puppy and I wanted a [26:09] boy puppy or a girl puppy, which one would you be? I know you're not a puppy. Yeah. You know, like this is the thing with the Supreme Court justice with Katangi Brown Jackson who said she's not a biologist. They asked her what is a woman? She said I'm not a biologist. They asked her, what is a woman? She said, I'm not a biologist. Right, but you're a woman. So how about take a shot at it? Like if I brought you a puppy, how do you know if it's a boy dog or a girl dog? Can we use that same judgment for humans? Is that possible? Isn't it true in the majority of cases that a woman has ovaries and a vagina and they can have babies for the most part. Yeah, for the most part. Yeah. Well, just try to watch people just lose their minds, try asking somebody like that, is there a difference between a man and a woman? To a Supreme Court justice 20 years ago. Imagine if Ruth Bader Ginsburg 20 years ago, somebody asked her, [27:01] she'd go, shut the fuck up with these stupid questions. I'm here on the goddamn Supreme Court to get shit done. Okay? I'm not here to hear. What did you ask me? What a woman is. Why don't you ask me what paint is? Now ask me what tires are. Now how about I'm not sure the shit? What's a pencil? Shut the fuck up. What are you doing? It's university administrators. It's it's anybody in a position of leadership who's afraid of getting bullied right and so that nobody wants to state the obviously we went through the whole pandemic with one side screaming believe the science right and then now they're like well I know you know it depends on the context of whether a man and a woman are different you're thinking look you can you again do whatever you want to do but if you're if you're a girl but you identify as, but if you're a girl, but you identify as a boy, then you're a girl identifying as a boy, and vice versa, right? That doesn't seem complicated to me. Also, if you want us to trust the science, you gotta make the science trust worthy. You can't leave the science in the hand of corporations as standard profit, if the science reflects one thing [28:02] or the other, you can't do that. Because they do it, they've done it forever, they've been fined for it, you know they do it, you know it's standard practice, you know that they run multiple tests and multiple studies and they'll throw out the ones that don't show any positive results and they finagle the studies to show some kind of fagazzy positive thing and then they'll start prescribing it to people. They do it for money. You know they do it for money. Everybody knows they do it for money. So shut the fuck up about this science thing until you can sort the science out. Until you know this thing, unless you have a third party non-biased where there's not a revolving door between the government organization and the pharmaceutical drug companies, which we know there is. And we know that they know there is, so we know that they know where the fuck and bread is buttered, and they know how to get things through, and then, look, he do! He works for Moderna now. Look, he do! Oh my god, look, he do! The lack of Smith's client just hired them. [29:02] I mean, look, I'm not... Everybody should make money. I'm glad pharmaceutical drug companies exist. They make awesome stuff. But you gotta be honest, and you don't hit me with that trust, the science shit. If you haven't made the science trust worthy, stop. Yeah, and it also can't be a moving line. Either you do or you don't. And it can't be based on where you fall politically, which seems to be how it works. And so whenever it's, yeah, we trust some time. Just not a chromosome. No, yeah. Yeah, we're not a zone stuff. It's very subjective. Very subjective. I wanted to ask you this before I forget. When you were working for the agency, did you guys, I know that there is a program where they use special effects makeup to change someone's appearance. Have you ever seen that in person? Oh, yes. How does it look? Yeah, it, well, it gets better all the time, right? So that goes to the answer. [30:00] Like, could I sneak into a concert with a rubber nose? Yeah. Get me a nice blonde wig. Yeah, that's what we used to do. We hand out rubber noses and gougly eyes. Yeah. And then nobody would see us coming. Like Clark Kent. Yeah. No, we have a disguise unit at the agency. And I'm super proud of them. And I was the benefit of their expertise on numerous occasions. Because you might guess. I mean, I was the benefit of their expertise on numerous occasions because you might guess, I mean, I'd spent almost all my time with the agency overseas in operations and there's some places where I don't blend, right? And so I know. So they blended you just like on TV America world, please? Remember? Yes. Well, it's one of the craziest. Oh, Hans Breaks. Hans Breaks. Oh, good is that movie? Yeah, that's a greatest movie ever. Yeah, that's, when they marker Matt Stone or the fucking best, when they did the puppet sex, Matt Stone, Tray Parker, which their name is? Yeah, yeah, they puppet sex scene when they thought, okay, a few minutes of this, it's making people uncomfortable, [31:00] let's keep going with it. Well, you know the original is far longer. Yeah, there was no sheep poops on his chest or he poops on her chest and she peas on him or he pees on her Buggala! Mouhamah Jihadala! Dirkah Dirkah Mouhamah Jihad! Mouhamah Jihad! Oh shit! Come on Gary! Act! And laugh the power! Hahaha! Buck! Dirk Dirkah Law! Dirkah Dirkah Mouhamah Jihad! Harkashirpa Shirpa! A Buggala! Man this is tak me back. Oh. He's an actor, bro. God, it's so good. He saved them. He saved them being an actor. One of the greatest. Yes. That really takes me back to the operational days, too. Such an amazing movie. Yeah, the disguise unit is fantastic. And here's John Mendez. [32:00] So this is from the disguise, yeah. She was there. She was she was you know senior officer there Did you ever will you ever talk in this? I'm when you know? I think this motherfucker's wearing her disguise no, but I've talked to people wearing disguises I've had I've had the full overhead mask look how good that is was sunglasses on With sunglasses on that's crazy. I never did wear the the monkey outfit We didn't do that one, but look how good that looks. That's insane. Now, and here's the thing about this is that because what they did was they went to Hollywood and there's been this liaison for years, years and years between the agency and Hollywood comes to special effects when it comes to makeup. And again, and it's horses for courses. So sometimes you need to light the skies, right? And I'm not giving away any secrets. This stuff is all out there. And so you get to light the skies. It's for a brief cover for action. You know, there's not, you know, I can be engaged in this. So sometimes we'll be of light disguise. You know, like a rubber nose. [33:01] It could be like a wig. It could be like a wig, it could be a facial hair, a change of glasses, it could be just a change of hair color. In reality, if you're out on the street, I know I'll probably disappear down a rabbit home, people would be like, this is fucking boring, but if you're out on the street and you're just in a surveillance exercise, say, right, and you're covering a target, then all you got to do is you're just talking about switching up your look a little bit. It could be a hat, right? It could be a coat. It could be a backpack, whatever you're doing. So it doesn't have to be much. And then you got the full other side of the spectrum, which could be a full overhead mask, right, which is, that you're out on the street and you're in disguise, nobody is thinking that person's in disguise, right? So it's dependent upon your bearing. I've seen people in disguise who don't pull it off well, because they're worried like, I'm in disguise, people are thinking I'm in disguise. [34:00] Nobody gives a shit. Everybody's worried about their own little bubble up. So it's your body movements. It's your body language. It's your bearing. How do you comport yourself? How do you carry yourself on your confident in it? And also do you understand that the vast majority of people out there, no matter where you are, right? A fourth world country, US, wherever. They're not thinking about it, right? And I've had extended conversations with people in disguise where, you know, they don't give a fuck, they don't know and it is remarkable how good they are at this, but that unit is fantastic. Did I give you like a rubber muscle suit ever? No, I never got a fat suit. A lot of a muscle suit. But I know one of the guys I worked with, he got a fat suit. Really? Yeah, yeah. Chase is wait, because that's also one of those things where, you know, you, you, you're looking to, right? I mean, you're just looking to alter your profile. And wait is a big part of it. And what is the fat suit until? Is it like a skin one where it looks real? Well, no, mostly it's under your clothes, right? And so it's like, it's padding basically. But it's quick. You have to be able to do this quickly. Look, I've been on the streets of, you know, capital cities around the world. [35:08] I'm on a motorcycle and, you know, I've got, I've got a helmet on. That's a pretty good disguise. But you got to get off that motorcycle at some point and walk the streets or go somewhere or whatever. And so you've got to be able to do these So again, not giving away any sources or methods, but I will say the disguise unit and Mrs. Mendez there, who they just showed briefly, she ran that operations with great person and a great part of the agency. And it is, but it is acting, right? There's no difference. So this was gonna get to, do they teach you how to walk casual? They teach you what to see in someone that's tense? Well, yeah, I mean, you spend a lot of time, yeah, you do. That's a good way to put it, I guess. You spend a lot of time observing people, right? And understanding, and part of that is you're trying to get a sense [36:02] of, if you're trying to get a sense of whether they're lying, you're watching for certain things, you're watching for their body movement in the way they're behaving and the things that they're saying a lot of times are just, they're not consistent with what they're saying. So that's not necessarily watching their movements, but a lot of times if you're trying to get on side with somebody, right? So if I'm if I'm trying to develop a relationship with the deputy foreign minister of whatever from some country, right? Because they've got inside information on their Nuke program. Then I'll spend a lot of time thinking about and watching and observing that person and eventually I'm mirroring that person's activities, right? So you know if you're sitting across from somebody and and they're you lean on the desk, right? So, you know, if you're sitting across from somebody and they're leaning on the desk, right? And they start talking together, they move in a little bit closer. Well, I'm gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna come in. They don't know it, they don't understand it, but it makes them more comfortable, right? So if you start mirroring their actions, their activities, that's just one of those things. It's a small part of it, but it's one of them. My buddy told me that when you see people like leaning against a wall, [37:07] that we see people in foreign countries leaning against a wall, nine times that attend their American. Like with leaning like one shoulder against a wall, he said it's a very American thing to do. Like leaning against doorways with one shoulder, leaning against a wall with one shoulder. Yeah, I wouldn't make a lot of book on that. I mean, because it's a Western thing, more than just an American thing. I've seen, you know, it's been a long time in Europe and, you know, Italians are leaning against the wall. You know, standards are leaning against the wall, but it is a Western thing. So, you know, if you're walking the streets of a lot of ostok or wherever, then you have to be aware of it. Also, little things like how you eat, how do you hold your fork in life? I mean, it could be anything that could show out as a certain cultural handle. So, with this way, there's different people hold their fork. Well, if you hold your knife here and you hold your fork here, [38:01] and you just keep eating with this hand, you don't switch the fork over to your dominant hand, right? That's an interesting take. And I mean, like if you're over in the UK, you see it all the time, right? People just kind of eatin' like this, right? It's pushing their food onto their fork. 15 things that stand out. Americans are known for leaning on things while standing still, ha ha ha. There's the habit of CIA even trains. Ah ha ha. Ah ha ha. If CIA trains Americans to unlearn when trained to be a spy. Don't worry, we can still stand out on our own two feet. Americans are always eating on the go. One person living in Europe was asked if they were American because they were eating a bagel while walking. Hey, we got a fuel up for all that small talk. Americans are known for being loud and friendly and our accents are a dead giveaway. Yes, that does. Americans love small talk and are super friendly. Americans are known for wanting ice in their water. A habit that might seem as strange in countries where ice is not commonly consumed. Americans often greet people with, hey, how are you? The greeting may be seen as too friendly or even mocking in some cultures. [39:04] Americans are known for leaving tips. Are they? Okay, yeah. Yeah, that's true. Americans have a reputation for being confident. Okay. Even if you're walking in the wrong direction. Americans are known for enjoying sweet treats for breakfast to have it that may be seen as strange and other cultures where breakfast is typically a savory meal. Americans are often seen as being obsessed with their appearance and constantly checking their appearance in mirrors. It's because we're the shit Americans are known for wearing tactical sunglasses. A style that we've seen as unusual in other countries. Okay. Americans are known for saying y'all. Okay. Americans are known for the love of baseball caps. Yeah. Especially when worn backwards. Americans are in love for the love of saying the US or America when asked if they're from even though these terms refer to the entire country Americans are known for their friendly grins making eye-talk. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, suppose basically just the leaning us a wall thing that seems odd. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that's interesting, but I yeah, I've seen a lot of leaners in my time [40:03] So but yeah, those are all those things. It's good to be aware of, but you were saying with the fork and knife thing that the Europeans keep a fork in one hand and knife for other, and they don't switch hands. What people switch hands? I've seen that a lot here in the States, where people like they'll eat, you'll cut, you'll put down, you'll see, and maybe it's just because I hang around with a lot of posh people. I don't know. Yeah, this is like bitches. Yeah, yeah. Those sound like, that's a bitch. I'm not saying that, not. Your left hand sucks so hard that you have to swap out. Swap out. Yeah. You're scared of the fortitude in your left hand. I think it's considered very etiquette. to hand too. I know both those things you make you a bit. It's just a lot easier if you also if you just kind of push you're pushing around right there like that and I but then again you know you could do it if you want to eat quick you got a two-hand thing. So John's magazine here that says that that's an American style apparently to hold the fork in your dominant hand and switch. So yeah that's the bitches of America. So let's say for a steak for instance. Oh look, there's even pictures. Let's picture store explain this to us. [41:06] How you cut to a zigzag style or something. So Fort goes back and forth. Now let's take a closer look at the details. This is ridiculous. People are so funny. Actually, that guy holding it like a dagger looks like my boy's eating. That dude's very boring in real life. Or a serial killer. Yeah, or an etiquette teacher. Yeah, either one. So, but the disguising is fascinating. And I've been, like I said, I mean, sometimes it can be very simple. You slap on, I know it sounds silly, but you slap on a fake mustache, but you're just changing your profile quickly. Right, and so it doesn't. I will say there were times when you'd get a disguise kit and it would have a baseball cap in it and go I Don't I don't think so. I think it's we're overseas and probably not a baseball cap Yeah, so who's putting together these some disguise kits for you? It's it. I mean the outfit again. It's the it's the disguise unit and the disguise unit is an aware of cultural differences [42:01] Oh, no, they are but I'm just saying in the I'm fairly old, but in the old days they throw in a ball cap and you think, okay, well, you give it up here, kids. Yeah, so, but yeah. Hey, what do I know? So is there any video of people wearing these disguises where we could see what they look like? I found another video, I saw one on Instagram, but I don't know if it's real and wired. Same lady, I think here she transforms probably like the reporter. Yeah, just imagine, again, and what are you doing? You're, so here's a lady, right? The Giro Mustache. The Giro Samawaki hair. Wow. That's incredible. I don't know she tricked me. Now. What's going on? That one's not the best one. You're not the best, but that's it. Didn't that salsa then? They brought out the fork and knife in the video. Which is interesting. Boy, they love that fork and knife thing. Holding a cigarette comes up in the video. [43:02] How do you hold the cigarette? Yeah, it's very quick here. They just show like the way you either between the fingers forward like that. Is that American pinching it? And who pinches it? I don't know. I've seen people peer pinch it, so I don't know. Yeah. And it shows a guy doing a very quick thing like this. People that pinch it here, they're probably like European music. So it goes from a suit to just like taking it off, putting on a hat, and now he's in disguise. So you can be that simple, right? I mean, it's, and particularly if you're in surveillance or, you know, or if you're doing, you know, counter surveillance, you gotta be aware of these things. Did you see that I had a guest on the podcast that came with my friend Josh Dubin, who works with criminal reform and getting innocent people out of jail. So we had this guest that came on and then after he was on the show, one up killing somebody, cut some dudes head off and... Yes. Yes. Yes. And the unfortunate surveillance footage where he tried to wear a blonde wig and walk around. [44:02] But he didn't realize, I think he didn't realize like how good modern surveillance cameras are. Yeah. It's like crystal clear that this dude was wearing a fucking wig. God. Yeah. That was, yeah. It's an all about story. Crazy story. I was talking to him. I was talking to him. I was talking to him. I was talking to him. I was talking to him. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. I was trying to get help. students, the ones that are actually affiliated with the university, most of them wearing masks, right? Right. And, you know, part of it is, I don't know why it's... They're mentally ill. Yeah, they're mentally ill. I photograph people every time I see them. I photograph one today. Yeah. It's also somebody walking outside with a mask on. The dumb kind, too. The surgical, blue, stupid one. Yeah, oh do have to do them thing. But this was, I think, was a solidarity thing. They're all wearing masks. And part of it was also, I think, [45:06] they were thinking they couldn't be identified. And then there's a lot of talk about retinal scanning, right? So how much of the face do you need in order to identify people, right? And it's not much. Right? Retinal scanning, it's not 100% accurate. So there's other things So would you be able to retinal scan that lady with that crazy outfit on? Yeah, just retinal scanner and then none that shit would work the mustache. Which is which is and that's yeah, that's great point. Blue on your face for nothing. That shit is tough to take off. The gross. It's not good. So yeah, and that's it's a really good point because now it's made the life of somebody who's working in operations a lot tougher, right? Because of the ability of, and it's gotta be a country where you're operating where they've got the resources and the technology, but it makes it a shit on tougher to get away with things, right? And as does the ability for communications intercepts and tracking of phones and all the other things. [46:02] So, you know, while, you know, it's always the same story, right? Technology's got an upside and a downside. But the face recognition, the retinal scanning, it's creating all sorts of problems from an operational perspective overseas. And here, of course, the problem is, you know, people are talking about civil liberties and, you know, invasion of privacy. And, you know, so you've got some students out there and they're covered and next thing, you know, they're identified, right? Now they're suspended and, you know, fine. You know, you've been... Not only did that, some of them aren't getting to graduate. There's one girl I was watching this video where they just told her she couldn't graduate because she got arrested. Well, you know what, you know, what do they say? You play stupid games. Yeah, you win stupid prizes. Yeah, so they all think they're doing something great. They think they're gonna fix it. It's, you know, a lot of misplaced energy with tents. With tents, yeah, and with matching tents. And that's the part, look, I get, you know, [47:01] hey, God bless the actual students who are out there feeling like they're being a part of something. I get that they're young people. Most of them are gornless, right? They're just saying whatever, right? This is, you know, this is their moment to shine. So they're excited. So they don't and they, you know, most of them couldn't find Gaza on a map of Gaza. So I think that, you know, that's that's one side of it, right? And I can't, you know, whatever, but it's the coordination of it all by the various outside groups and the activists and the funding of it, right? And the potential for that funding and the coordination to tie back to groups like Hamasar, Hezbollah, which basically means you're tying back to the Iranian regime, right? Because that's the only reason those groups exist. But nobody seems curious about that because a lot of the media wanted to portray this as just like kids being kids. Oh, look at it. This is their moment to shine as student activists and isn't it wonderful? And it's their Vietnam protests and bullshit. Some of it, okay fine. So it's layered, right? So some of that's true. You got those kids that are just doing that. But there's the incuriosity of the media to say what the hell's behind this right and what groups is it is it uh [48:07] you know students for justice in Palestine is it uh... you know us campaign for Palestinian rights sami dune right which has connections back to hamas um there's the education for whatever just piece in the middle east there's groups that have been actively engaging in this and that's why you get the coordination of all of this, right? But nobody asks, okay, what's behind it? Just students acting. No, it's not. It's a coordinated effort. And then you look at those groups who are always active in this realm, right? And always looking to have organizations disinvest from Israel or to promote causes that are anti-Israeli. And then you say, okay, well, who's funding it? So you look at these groups and you say, okay, where's the money coming from? The money's always coming from the same places, right? The Tide Center, which is part of the Tide's network, [49:03] which gets significant funding. No surprise, from Sorosha's Open Society Foundation. You get Westchester People's, whatever, action coalition. So you get these groups and then you get the legal support. So all these people, the activists who are getting arrested, they can turn to Palestine legal, which provides legal support to the activists and the NGOs that are engaged in all this. Again, they're getting their money from charities. A lot of times the charities don't know they're putting money into these groups. It goes into the Rockefeller Brothers fund, right? And the Rockefeller Brothers fund provides money to these NGOs, like Justice for Palestine or whatever. Then, and Rockfellow Brothers gets funding from Soreush, Open Society Foundation is what. That guy. He's a good guy of a problem. Yeah, and now his kid is even more of an activist than George is, right? And of course, his kid is. Kid inherited it. [50:01] Kid inherited it. Make up for the fact that he inherited it by being extra woke. Yeah, and he is. And extra guilty He inherited it. He didn't hair it did it. Make up for the fact that he inherited it by being extra woke. Yeah, and he is. And extra guilty. Oh God. For having all those billions, you should feel guilty, you little fuck. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. How can you live with yourself? You're so rich. Well, you're talking about those a very important point that this is not organic. And that this is this is what i was going to get to earlier when i was talking about social media what how much do you think foreign governments have an influence on certain trends and certain things that people are talking and promoting and pushing and being a part of on social media i think it's a i think it's a big factor i think it's a big factor with a lot of things and i think it's a big factor with all this the things, and I think it's a big factor with all this, the most insane woke shit. I think they push it as far as they can so that the stuff that's not as insane, that wasn't saying just a couple of years ago, seems less insane now. It seems more palatable, and then they just keep moving the goalpost. I think you can do that through social media with kids. [51:01] You can kind of engineer what kids accept. Oh, 100%. And the answer is, how much do they do when they do a tremendous amount? Look, the Iranian regime, nobody's happier with these protests on campuses than the Iranian regime, right? And they've even come out. The foreign minister, Chameenim himself, right? The Ayatollah came out on his official ex-page, who knew, and praises the protesters. And they talk about the oppression and the violent tactics of the police and suppressing protests, which is crazy when you think about what the Iranian regime has done to anybody who dares protest inside Iran. They executed a world champion wrestler over that. They're constantly. inside Iran. But they executed the world champion wrestler over there. Yeah, they constantly, right? And they're trampling of all rights, not just women's rights, everybody's rights, right? So it's bullshit, but people, you know, I don't know, people buy it. They don't have a peripheral understanding of their workings. Yeah. So the inner workings of [52:02] all this stuff. But then the Russians and the the Chinese they're all taking advantage of this as well Right Chinese bots have been out there trolling around and promoting the chaos right if you were to switch on Television right in Moscow or in Tehran or or in Beijing you'll get a lot of coverage of these campus protests Right, this is this is ideal for them. It's exactly what they want. And it feeds into their larger narrative of trying to discredit democracy and say what a losing system it is, right? Capitalism. And so, you know, but again, people are incurious. They're busy. They're trying to just do their lives. Whatever. They're not taking the time to sit and think, where am I getting my information from? What's the validity of this information? And if they don't do that, you know, then to your earlier point, yeah, we're fucked. Yeah. Because it comes down to individual responsibility. You gotta focus on where your information is coming from. And you know, right now, you know, you could argue, I mean, that whether it's the face swapping techniques, whether [53:06] it's AI, that can mimic, and whether it's for criminal purposes, or whether it's for state-sponsored efforts to try to put the knife in into the American system, or the West, we are, it's democratized misinformation, right? It's made it so that everybody can engage in it, not just state-spons just state sponsors but everybody because all those apps are out there all the abilities out there and you've got an incurious public for the most part that that doesn't take the time and an informed public they did most of our not even aware that there's foreign elements that have an influence on our culture yeah which is which is shocking if you think about it it's shocking but so few people are aware of anything other than what's going on their own life and what's going on at work. Well life is messy and it's tough and you're trying to raise kids and you're trying to put food on the table. You don't have time. And I talked to some of my friends about this stuff and their eyes glaze over. Yeah, they don't even want to know. I'm busy, bro. But you know what it does, I mean, look at this state of, look at dysfunctional we are right now, right? I mean, this is remarkable at times. [54:07] And again, everybody wants to think it's always the worst time, right? It's not the worst time, right? We've had worse times. Civil war, I think, was pretty bad. You know, so we've had more dysfunction, I suppose, at times, but the technology speeds it along, we you know we just have more people so they're the potential for more of a shit show is there but That is Ultimately when people always talk about well how do you how do you you can't you can't just use detection You can't be on the defensive all the time trying to identify. Okay, that's fake. That's fake That's fake right you've got to rely on people right to say ah you know what I'm not going to buy everything I read right I'm going to pay attention and I'm going to think about it a little bit and I'm going to chill and fuck out and but it's not it's not in human nature apparently right now so yeah we've got a problem and those nations particularly Iran, China and Russia are having a [55:02] field day right now right this is we are making it very easy for them and think about it, we got the fucking election coming up in November. So think about what that means in terms of disinformation and it's, yeah, it's remarkable. We live in a very interesting time. I think we're gonna be fine. It's a very resilient environment, I suppose, but so I try to be positive, but. It's probably parallel. Yeah, yeah. Well, let me ask you this. From a perspective of someone kind of understands all these different influences and all the things that are happening in these universities, what can be done to sort of like unwind some of this fuckery? If anything at this point, I mean, are we just going to operate from here on out with this understanding that our kids getting doctrinaided to this preposterous, ridiculous way of thinking, whether taught these Marxist, the Leninist ideas as if they make any fucking sense, and they've never worked anywhere, and if they don't always lead to totalitarian, authoritative [56:02] governments that take over and enforce all these socialist policies, which is a fucking nightmare that happens in every single regime when they go socialism. So what can be done to sort of like unwind some of this bullshit in colleges and balance it out a little bit like there's nothing wrong with having ridiculous ideas. As long as those ridiculous ideas can be challenged, but if you're the only one that gets to talk, and you just indoctrinate these kids, and no one comes along and says, hey, you've never even functioned in the fucking real world. Like this shit that you're teaching these kids, unless they go into academia, they're fucked. Yeah. Or you're gonna ruin corporations with this ideology because it just, it doesn't jive with capitalism. It doesn't jive with, and oh yeah, we're gonna tear capitalism down. Okay, well then what? You fucking idiot. It's then no one has any incentive to get anything done. Well, that's great for you because you've never done anything. Yeah. So you think all these people that did things, even if you don't agree with him, even if it's Bill Gates, he still built that fucking company. That's his, he did it. [57:07] Do you wanna be that guy? Then go do what he did. If you don't like what he did, then you can talk about it, you can protest about the idea that everyone should have to give all their money away and there should be no billionaires and there should be no capitalism and all the money goes into, then who who's in charge and who gets to tell you what you can do and not do who gets to tell you you can't have your money anymore who gets to take your house away because it's too big shut the fuck up right this is like so short-sighted and so stupid that it's so hard for me to believe that it's being taught universities right or or the the idea now what they're saying is like you got a big house you got a couple extra rooms you know what you should do yeah taking these fucking yeah taken to my murderers yeah that we have it we have bothered to have a 13-tap dude on his forehead bring him in yeah he's fine he's a nice guy trying to clean his life up that's why he walked here yeah and the borders fine don't worry about it it's all good it's fine it's only like 20 percent Chinese nationals that are of military age no that's the staggering number the staggering number of Chinese have come across the border in the past six months. [58:06] It's why. It is fascinating because you think, what accounts for that increase? They want to learn MMA. Yeah. Yeah. This is the best gyms. Yeah. A lot of even the Chinese champions that come over here to train. Really? Yeah, standing. So maybe that accounts for what, 20, 30 of them guys are future and old-day stars, future UFC stars. But I mean, you look at the universities and think, yeah, university is supposed to be a place where you exchange ideas. So that's great. You want to talk about it, you want to have classes in Marxism or whatever, you want to talk. That's great. But you're right. You need to have that discourse yet. You need to be, you know, again, the examples of the real world and from my own experience, my daughter went to undergrad and grad school and she kept her mouth shut for most of that time. I had six years because she always knew what she said. There was no upside to her arguing in class. And she saw a centrist, right? But that's not popular either. [59:01] You can't be a centrist on campus. You can't say there's good ideas on both sides. Oh, fuck that there. So yeah, so she went through school and that's a terrible thought. Yeah, right? It's particularly when you're paying for it. But she's she worked out fine. She's great. And she understood the joke, right? She got the joke, but it shouldn't be there. Right. You shouldn't have to decipher that for four years. You shouldn't have to go, oh, we put this through the bullshit filter. Right. Okay, let me just get through this class and figure out what's applicable and what I need for my degree. Yeah. But unless, you know, I do think there's some bounce back on on the corporate side with DEI, for example, right? I think there are a number of companies out there just as with the sort of the climate change. I watched oil companies do this complete left turn saying, we're gonna make an over half of our revenues from green energy in the future, near future. Like a couple of years from now, I think it's not gonna happen. But they have to play that game for a while, and then they come back and go, it's not gonna happen. [1:00:01] So you know what we're doing? We're investing in all of this shit, including fossil fuels. So I think whether it's that or whether it's the kind of the pushback on DEI from corporations that are saying, um, you know, maybe it is a grift, right? Maybe you've got all these DEI grifters out there and they got it. It's a cottage industry. They can make a lot of money off of this bullshit. Got a lot of government grants and all this thing. So, but But I think there's some pushback universities, I think, are a tougher issue. Yeah. Right? I don't think unless parents and kids just say, I'm not going to that bullshit. I mean, look, have you seen some of these kids at these supposedly elite universities talk? How the fuck did they get into these universities? Because they most have passed at the application process. Some kids are just really bad at talking. They're good at school work. I think that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could be. Well, I think, you know, you basically have to just memorize what they're teaching you. That's, that doesn't require a lot of critical thinking. Yeah. And then when you have to think on your own and say, what is from the river to the sea mean? Yeah. What river are we talking about? And what does that mean? What happens to the Jews that live there? Where do they go? [1:01:05] They go back to Germany? Like what are you saying? That's an interesting phrase. I will say that you talk about Kamos and the Israeli conflict now. And I mean, there's a minefield here. Actually, what am I managing directors for my company, Portman Square Group, for all your information and security needs. Thank you One of the mansion directors said knew that I was I was gonna sit back down with you and they said look I know you're probably gonna want to talk about Hamas. Is there any way you can do it right without pissing off people And that's cute. Yeah, I know that's what I thought right so you want me to talk about the Israeli You know Palestinian issue without upsetting somebody yeah, don't think, and she's a brilliant person, but I don't think that's gonna happen. But I will say it is, it's obviously it's complex, but it's complex in part because it's not absolute, right? And everybody talks in absolutes when it comes to this, right? Mm-hmm. [1:02:00] It's a Palestinian, Hamas is a terrorist organization, so fuck them. But it's it's it's it's it's it's Hamas and it's a Palestinian Hamas is a terrorist organization So fuck them, but it's it's a Palestinian problem or it's the Israeli problem You know what if you look at their history, right? There's problems on both sides right and no and and yet we talk about it like it's black and white And one of the other right and you're never gonna get this problem's never probably gonna get solved in our lifetimes anyway but it is It is disturbing when you hear some of the kids, the actual students I mean, try to explain what this is, right, and what this problem is and talk to me about the river to the sea. Which, again, you can say that phrase in 10 different circumstances, it's going to be 10 different things to 10 different people, right? And that's legitimate. You have to understand that that's, okay, I get it. The Israelis view that as like you're talking for a destruction, genocide of Israelis, right? Cause that's a destruction of a group, right? Not a war crime or something, [1:03:00] not crime against humanity. Genocide is your intent is to destroy the group, right? And so they they'll see that. Palestinians, some Palestinians, not Khamas, some of them are chartered. They know what River to the sea means, right? It's it's it's you know it's taking over that entire territory and you know fuck Israelis. But Palestinians can say it and it means something else. It's a yearning for whatever freedom freedom for a homeland. So there are variances in it. But that never gets discussed sometimes because people are just screaming at each other like every other fucking subject out there. Right. That is the issue, right? And then of course, when you are on a college campus and all this is being encouraged by these groups that are funded, then you seem like if you want to be a good person, you have to be a part of this group, you have to go there and be a part of this protest and we see a lot of that. Yeah. They're just there because they think they're supposed to be a good person to be there and they want to make all their friends think they're a good person. They're carrying around signs and yelling out these things. Got the kefion and they're like, hey, look at me. [1:04:05] I'm in the encampment. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing here, but. Meanwhile, it is a fascinating time if they allowed debates. Because if you could see a pro-Israeli and a pro-Palestinian debate, like a real legitimate honest intellectual debate and discussing all the various issues like from the beginning of the formation of Israel to back in the history of the land and then what's going on today all the treaties all the different things that have happened all the different peace talks that would be a fascinating opportunity for people to hear both sides of this conflict and and try to get a better understanding of it, instead of just running out there with signs and camping on the lawn. It's a good deal. You use it by the way. And these places of higher education are supposed to be where these difficult conversations get sorted out. Exactly. Because you're supposed to have the smartest minds. And to bring in the smartest minds from either side, there's brilliant people that approach really [1:05:01] and brilliant people that are pro-Palestine, they're brilliant. And if you can get them together and have them sort out your details, all the people in the audience can get a better, more informed understanding of how complex this conflict is. And that is supposed to be what universities are for. That's what it should be. It should be a place where people can sit down and learn something about something very difficult, which is international conflict. These crazy moments in history where we get entwined with military conflicts that are happening all over the world, and it's nowhere near you. And it's complicated shit, man. And to just run out there with a sign because these fuckers are organizing this on campus. It messes everything up. It messes up everybody and to have only one side's perspective heard, messes up everybody, the whole thing's a mess, man. Well, I think that the students, for the most part, again, the actual students who have an affiliation with the universities, the pro-Hamas groups, the pro-Palestinian activists, they tend to view [1:06:10] the students, I believe, as essentially useful idiots, right? Window dressing. And it gives it a sort of a veneer of, as you'd point out before, sort of this organic grassroots movement that's sweeping the nation. When in fact there's this underlying infrastructure that's always out there, trying to take advantage of opportunities like this in the chaos. And then aside from that, then you've got this other 30,000 foot problem where you've got the Iranian regime and others who are promoting this and pushing for it. Look, you know, Hezbollah, Hamas, they've got a lot of money. They have, again, not to dispute out of rabbit hole, but the leaders of Hamas are extremely wealthy. Ishmael Hanye and Mardezouk and Michelle, and the other cats, they have billions of dollars, [1:07:03] because for years, people say, well, how could that be possible? Well, for billions, for years and years now, they have been receiving a great deal of money, conservative estimates from, you know, from Iranian regime, Hamas gets maybe a quarter billion a year, right? Cutter, it appears, gives them even more than that. There have been years when they've given about $400 million to Hamas for a variety of reasons, ostensibly. Part of that money coming from Qatar is by agreement with Israel because part of it is for over the years the idea that you're buying quiet, buying peace. So yes, and so there was a process in place to try to track that money right they came in just Same with the Palestinian Authority from over in the West Bank But that's a lot of money right not to mention even the the money going to unra Right and this is the same situation with Ukraine too, right? We don't really know where it all goes And some of it definitely goes into pockets. Yeah, yeah. There's a guy, did you see that guy? [1:08:06] I forget what his position is in Ukraine, but he's driving around in a Rolls Royce. This fucking $600,000, he's driving around in a house. He's driving around in a house. He's got a fucking Rolls Royce, and he's got the only Rolls Royce in Ukraine. This one, whatever it is, is it a specter? Is that what it is? Is it a phantom? Maybe it's a phantom. I'm Google. Oh never. Well, you got, I mean, it's a fucking doughnut car. And that's been, but isn't that crazy? It's like the scene in Goodfellas, where the guy has the Cadillac. He goes, what What are you doing with this? Did I tell you? Did I tell you? I told you. That was a great scene. What a great scene. God. Yeah. It's... You got a video that I do driving around in his Rolls Royce? I got it before I'm from too far as it is. In that car? I don't know. That's... Arba saying this is false. Go that. no this is a real recent one driving around but it might be fake bank governor that might be fake it all might be fake yeah well you [1:09:09] Korean politician you crane politician rolls Royce write that right in Google politician crane rolls Royce politician because this videos go to videos I was I was news fake BBC news clip you videos, good of videos. Oh, I was, I was news fake BBC news clip. You created XR. It's from a month ago. Yeah. XR, we cheap paid to leave you cream. Now that's on it. That's a different clip. But this is, but this is a good example, right? I mean, you're, you really got a dig. You create protesters discover luxury cars. Legitly belonging to. President Sun. Oh, allegedly belonging to president son 10 years ago okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, listen, 2014 when the fucking coup happened well Ukraine has always had problems corruption yeah yeah, but I forget forget what this guy's position was but he was driving around [1:10:00] it's not Russell brand some guy has no idea Russell brand was Ukrainian is this it Rolls Roy Spector that's it with 600,000 Ukraine Practition politician pay with us. You're looking as fucking car look at that car. We look at that car That's it. That's the video bro. That's a house that guys driving around a house God damn it. Is he driving in himself? I wonder? Of course he is that's a bold move right there. Of course he is. It's a beautiful car. You know, you're gonna fucking drive that car. You stole that money. Hard work. Well, and that's, again, yeah, when you talk about like what we're talking about money that goes to, to the Palestinian cause and gets filtered through Hamas and that's they better never carve off billions of dollars for themselves. They're living big lives and cutter and Turkey. But for themselves, they're living big lives and cutter and turkey. But part of the problem with Ukraine has been, you know, in terms of, well, they've got big issues, right? One of them has been explaining why it's important to the American people, right? The administration hasn't really accomplished that yet, right? [1:11:01] And trying to say, why are we doing this, right? They should have been doing this in the very first flags in way their flags in congress yeah well yeah the way of the infini and flags yeah what you're saying yeah well they didn't know what explained it explain it here we go yeah but you remember the very beginning everybody had a Ukrainian flag on their right there house to see it in congress and passing that aid bills oh yeah who handed those out yeah yeah where'd you get those right exactly do you guys get those from home? Who's telling you to wave those? Got them from Amazon. This whole thing seems coordinated. You want to tell me about how this happened? Plus also, where's the money go? That's the other big issue is the transparency and how are we spending this money? How are we spending your money? The taxpayer's money. And look, I fall down down the side of uh... i don't want to see putin win and he will win we know without significant support that gets to the point where he feels so much pain he actually negotiate the settlement right we're not gonna get to a victory in this war that's bullshit the idea that your crane is going to win the war and claim all the territory bullshit not gonna happen you think they're gonna [1:12:00] reclaim Crimea really putin's gonna give that right? He'll probably go to tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield before he does that, right? And so you've gotta get, but you've gotta hurt him enough so that he says, oh, fuck it, okay. Because if he's hurt enough, that means at home he's facing some descent, right? And that's the big thing for him. He doesn't want, you know, he just wants to hold on to power, right? He wants to- I hear two versions of what's going on. I hear the war has already been won by Russia, and Ukraine is down to like a minimum amount of soldiers. They've lost half a million people, rough estimates, like no one really knows what the real estimates are. And then I've heard other stories where Ukraine is actually doing much better than people think, and Russia has hemorrhaged people because they're essentially just sending people into the front line. They send prisoners and they're just using bodies to win this. Well, both sides are accurate. Both sides are true. So yeah, Ukraine has been hurting. [1:13:01] They have a, what? Russia's got a three to one manpower advantage in terms of population, right? What they can, what they can do to recruit and put more people on the battlefield. And Russia has a, no problem with sort of a meat grinder strategy, right? Just throw bodies at it, right? Just, and the stats on fatalities, on casualties on both sides are completely bullshit. There's no transparency, really. And it's kind of understandable why. You don't want to tell the other side how many soldiers you've lost or injured Zelensky came out a while back and said you know we've suffered 31,000 you know fatalities on the battlefield It's higher than that and and it's higher on the on the Russian side right because of their strategy in the way they just You know Putin doesn't really care so we throws bodies at it The Russians are making headway on the east right and they are making an effort to push through those Putin doesn't really care. So he throws bodies at it. The Russians are making headway on the east, right? And they are making an effort to push through those frontline defenses that Ukraine has up on the eastern side of Ukraine. And the lack of armaments, the lack of munitions, while Congress and the U.S. couldn't figure [1:14:02] out what they wanted to do, That was a decided problem for Ukraine. If that continued, then yeah, Russia will win. They will push through and they will eventually end up in Kiev. Look, Putin's already engaged in shenanigans in Moldova, in Georgia. They're working very hard behind the scenes in Georgia, right, to split Georgia away from the EU, right? And that's because they're worried that Georgia could eventually, you know, be part of the European Union and they don't want that. And so they're engaged in all sorts of activity there off the radar, which they do very well, right? Well, disinformation and political influence campaigns, instilling personnel that are, there's a party there in Georgia, the Georgia Dream Party or something. That's pro-Cremlin. And they're pushing very hard on a variety of fronts, they're pushing a bill that's sort of like a foreign agent bill, which is a part of, it's a Russian tactic, right? [1:15:01] To basically, you know, a single out anybody who's got foreign influence or foreign involvement and that could be NGOs it could be media independent media and the Russians have used that foreign agent bill very successfully so but but I get my point is that it depends on your on your thought process if you think that no, Putin takes Ukraine who gives a fuck, right? And that's all, that's all it's gonna happen. He's not gonna try to reconstitute the former Soviet Union in some fashion by going after a couple other states, right? He wants a buffer zone with the West, which is what the Soviet Union was, right? He wants to rebuild that in some fashion, not the same, right? But in some fashion. So my experiences and other people are different. So that's why you end up with differing opinions and, you know, God bless. But, you know, mine is that he's not going to stop there. So what my belief is, you've got to hurt him enough, get him to the table and call it good. [1:16:00] And that good may look a lot like the way things were, and in 2022 when they started the invasion, and that's gonna be unsatisfying to a lot of people, but at least you end the fucking conflict, right? And fine, but I think that's where this goes. The idea that the only outright winner will be Putin, if we back off and say we're not gonna provide you with certain armaments, certain weapons, to allow you to inflict enough pain to stop this. And this is a incredibly complex and dynamic environment because the US is the White House, the Biden administration is pushing very hard on Zelensky to not attack any targets inside of Russia. The Ukrainian military is like, well, fuck it. Why aren't we attacking Russian oil refineries, right? An energy infrastructure like the Russians are doing inside Ukraine. That's been a tactic of the Russian military for quite some time now, right? Yeah, because it impacts morale of the population, [1:17:04] it demoralizes people. So the Ukrainian military saying, do that, the White House is saying, no, we don't wanna escalate. So don't do that, right? Now, the other side of that coin is, if you fuck over the Russian energy infrastructure, what does that do to oil prices around the world? And what does it do to gas prices at the pump when you're in an election year? And I wanna, I don't want to I don't be a conspiracy theorist, but but then you got the Europeans and You know my cron is over there saying well, you know if Keith asks we you know I can see putting French troops on the ground in Ukraine You trying to distract from the fact that his wife's a man, right? I like that. No, it's still a wildest one. Yeah. Ever heard. Yeah. The fact that Candace Owen is like, I staked my reputation on this. Like, are you fucking sure? Yeah. Yeah. It's just where you want to go. Is this is this how you want to be known? I'm so confused by that one. Oh, God. I've tried. I've tried to [1:18:02] look into that one. I really have. And to my own embarrassment, I've looked into it. Yeah. My point is like this person, this woman that he's married to, even, even, even, even if it's a man. Yeah. The real problem is they had a relationship when McCron was 15. Yeah, and she was 39 That by itself is wild yeah because if it was the opposite it was a 39 year old man Who is a teacher and a 15 year old girl was a student? Yeah, this would be horrific Everybody would be up in arms. Well, the greatest line about that is, what was his name, Berlusconi, right? The old Italian prime minister, someone asked him what he thought of, of McCrones' wife and he says, well, he's got a good-looking mom, Dudney. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha nine gag which is like, they found the Venn number and the Venn number was to a car from last year. [1:19:27] So I don't know that it makes, maybe that makes sense that this is the plate. The plate number is to a car from last year and this story was saying that it's for a new, like a brand new car. It's the same. Yeah, but those are hard to get. The first electric specter and yeah, yeah, but those are hard to get like you there's 2020 23s that are for sale right now Like you don't it's like like when I got a If you go looking for one like I got a Nissan a GTR I had to get a 2023 2024s weren't available right like when I got it so that could be yeah, you get a Nismo So it's if you get one of those Rolls Roy spectrums, those are fucking hard to get, dude. [1:20:05] And a brand new one, that's a 2023 with zero miles on it, could be what you're buying new. And I'll tell you one thing, this guy could have, he could have carved this money out, corruptly from a variety of sources over the years, right? So this is a lot of ways to make the money. Yeah, the bottom line is like, good bitches with me car Look at this car. That's a really good accent. That's a very good accent. This is basically your house You know with the right this is multiple of your house with the right disguise you could work the streets of Ukraine I can be you Korean wrestler Give me a cauliflower here I walk around like I mean a hunch like I'm gonna do you shoot a double like like here and a hunch Yeah, um, I think that uh, there's definitely a lot of corruption over there and did that yeah I'm sure you saw that one thing we're canna so I was going back and forth to the New York Times When they were saying what evidence do you have of Ukraine being corrupt? She's like oh, you mean your fucking newspaper stupid [1:21:04] Yeah, she said these these different articles about the rampant corruption in Ukraine. It's been, I mean, it's decades, right? And we've known that. And we've known that. But anywhere you've got vast sums of money coming in for a variety of reasons, which is again, well, I'm always astounded when people say, oh, there's no way that the three top leaders of Hamas are worth $11 billion collectively. Okay, well even if it take a tenth of that, and you think about these guys running Hamas, which supposedly, I mean they've been governing since 2007, 2006, supposedly for the benefit of the Palestinian people, and they're sitting on billions of dollars and you think, and so that's why, you know, fuck them us. And I understand the Israeli perspective, which is we can't allow them to retain control. I get that, right? I understand that operational perspective, right? The problem is that you're not going to win the narrative. [1:22:02] You're not going to win what's happening on the international stage. And sometimes, you know, sometimes the Israeli government can act like they don't understand how public relations plays out, right? I mean, this, this, like look at the past couple of days, what's happened? So Hamas wasn't going to accept the ceasefire. Hamas has turned down opportunities for a ceasefire, right? They just, and they, okay, and then they say, okay, the other day, 48 hours ago, whatever they say, we're going to walk away from the negotiating table. Fuck that, right? Knowing, knowing that Israel is ready to do some, you know, limited operations in Rafa. So, because they're not stupid, they've got a very good intelligence network, right? And they've got a lot of, and so they understand what Israel's about to do, right? They say, we're walking away from the negotiating table. Israel says, okay, fine. Everybody, you know, evacuate Eastern Rafa, you know, we're gonna engage in some targeted strikes against Hamas targets that we've identified. Hamas turns around, shortly thereafter, and says, ah, we accept a peace proposal, a ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar. [1:23:07] So look at us, we're accepting a ceasefire proposal. And Israel's moving on Rafa, right? That's a, you know, on one hand, that's a brilliant communication strategy, right? Now you've won the day on the international stage and exactly what they knew would happen. Just like what they knew would happen after the seven October strikes, they knew what was going to happen. They knew that civilians were going to die, right? They understood that. And again, everybody's got their own opinion. Minus Hamas doesn't give a shit about dead Palestinians. In fact, that's their currency. That's how they, that's how they work the game. And so they understood what was going to happen. Israel was in a bind. They got a respond. They're in an urban environment. It is fucked up, right? And too many people have died, right? I don't necessarily believe the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry in terms of their statistics and also they don't separate out how many you know how many combatants were killed [1:24:03] Right? They just like oh 34,000 people have died. So people imagine, oh my God, 34,000 civilians. Well, thousands and thousands of those people are fighters or homophilers, right? Again, it's horrible. I'm not saying it's not. It's awful, right? And both sides have, or problematic here. But what I am saying is, homos has a much better communications, public relations, operation. So they knew what Israel was about to do. They claimed, oh, we accept the ceasefire. The ceasefire was completely different from what had been presented, you know, by Israel and to Israel, right? Just during the past 48 hours, they say, no, this thing is not what we've been talking about. We don't accept it. So now they've moved in on Rafa and they've lost yet again the We don't accept it. So now they've moved in on Rafa, and they've lost yet again the narrative on the world stage. So now they're the ones who are causing problems. Anyway, so it's kind of fun. But again, the point is, it's also when all that money is sloshing around, of course you're going to have people who are benefiting from it. And in this case, it's people like, you know, Hanyye who can sit and cut her with all that money. [1:25:07] And what are they worried about? They're worried about losing a revenue stream, right? They know that if Hamas is destroyed, you think Iran's gonna continue giving them a quarter billion dollars a year, or Qatar's gonna allow them to live this lavish lifestyle and give them the money, or they're gonna continue to be able to extract taxes from money coming in, or from goods coming in to Gaza, or put tariffs on things coming in to the tunnels, a contraband? No. So, in part, it never changes, right? Where there's situations like this, whether it's there, whether it's Ukraine, wherever. Yeah, you're gonna get this, right? You're gonna get this level of corruption. And so I'm not surprised at all when people are worried about or concerned about what's going on with Ukraine and we give them another $61 billion and how much is that as ending up in pockets. But I argue that that's part of the problem that the government, the US government has faced. They haven't done their job. [1:26:02] They haven't provided as much transparency as possible and accountability to the American public and so you lose the support of the American public who had been just two years ago waving their fucking flags and putting Ukrainian flags on their Twitter sites and all the rest of that bullshit. Yeah. Anyway, what do you think happens to Gaza if you had a guess. Look, this, you can go back to the Romans, right, putting down a Jewish uprising in Judea, which is essentially Jerusalem area, West Bank. They call it the West Bank now, and, you know, Israel is still called Judea. Do I think the problem's going to be solved now? In the short term, will the conflict end? Yes. But then what happens to all that area that's been destroyed? I got to rebuild it, right? And who rebuilt it? Well, they've been trying to put together an Arab States coalition of countries that [1:27:01] would then be responsible for a couple of things. The rebuilding of the infrastructure and also security, right? Because again, no ceasefire, no permanent ceasefire is going to be accepted that allows Hamas to be the governing authority there, right? So the U.S. has been pushing very hard to have the Palestinian Authority, right? Run by Mark Moudibas, who's been in charge of the Palestinian Authority for 20 years now. And he's not popular in Gaza, right? They were kicked out. I mean, they were, well, there's been a rift with the Palestinian groups factions for some time. You go back to, when was a PLO? PLO was, PLO was started in like early 70s, right? Yasser Airfat, remember him. Looked a lot like Ringo Star and they would never photograph together, so I still think there's something there. I was gonna investigate that on the like season of Black Files. Yeah, small mustache. Yeah, it's cost him a lot of like yeah, I would be able to tell if they were in a room together [1:28:07] Yeah, but they never were this my point. Well, I would he be Fuck you doing hang out the yasser air fat. Well air fat was a he was he loved music Um, who doesn't he doesn't got the Beatles were great, but anyway, so Yasser fat PLO gets put together. See what I'm talking about? Look at his nose, Ringo's nose is clear. He's more Arab. He looks smaller Yosser, the Yosser, the Yosser, the Yosser effect does. That doesn't mean, doesn't he? Maybe we're running something. I mean, come on, dog. This is what, but you see what I'm talking about, look. Look, pretty fucking similar you changed the sunglasses yeah just yeah a little c.i.a. disguise but yasser could not play the drums the way ringo make you do play dumb yeah maybe didn't want to throw everybody off to my boys the oldest uh... scooter in the youngest mugs they play drums they play drums for a long time they're very good both of them uh... mugs in particular loves the Beatles right and and he'll tell you he said [1:29:02] ringo is completely underrated as a drummer right I'm and you know not in the drumming world they all know he's great but in the music world He's kind of underrated period is an important part of the Beatles I never understood why they decide that guy sucks Yeah, yeah He was never the Beatles come on fuck's wrong with you. He married Barbara Bach. What do you want? Yeah? Well, yeah, he did well She's not only to Catherine Bock is she? Do I sound like an idiot if I say who's Catherine Bock? From the Duke's hazard, Daisy Duke dude. That was Catherine Bock. Yeah. See? She knows. What was the other guy? What was it? There was like Kudder and Skeeter and Bo and Luke Duke. And then there was Roscoe Pete Coltrane. He was the sheriff. And then there was Roscoe Pete Coltrane. But then there was Cuder and the garage. Damn it, I knew there was a Cuder in there. And then there was Boss Hog. That's right. Boss Hog was the man. [1:30:01] They don't make TV like that anymore. No. You can't even show that show anymore because the Confederate flag on the roof of the general Lee they have to wear that out. Yeah, they blurt out. Yeah, no, no, you know, do they handle that with this? CGI that now so you can still watch that show Because I there's car shows that what they do yeah, I think so because there's car shows where you can't go if you got a generally. Because if you have a real like, they used to do the O1 on a side. Yeah, yeah. See? That's what it used to look like. Yeah, that's right. Amazon considers pulling Deuxa Hazard from video because of the Confederate flag. But didn't they CGI out the Confederate flag for the show? CGI out. Oh, Confederate flag. Yeah, I removeeterate Flag. G-I, Remove Flag. Yeah, Google Remove Flag. Remove Flag. Consumer products divisions decided to cease licensing replicas of Duke Zahazard, generally. [1:31:00] Okay, that makes sense. Remove the flag. Warner Brothers announces removal of Confederate flag from the Dukes of Hazard. Okay. They were removing it. From all merchandise. Okay. Not on the show. Not on the old video. Up until eight years ago, they sold Confederate flags. You know what they could do. They could, they could, if they want to renew the license on that thing, they just put an LGBTQ plus whatever flag on top of there it is kind of TV land polls dukes a hazard amid confederate I heard that they were gonna put it back up and CGI the flag off I like the people are apparently having enough time on the hands of worry about this shit I think I like you know what offends me what's this fucking generally it's kind of bizarre how they didn't think that was offensive in the 80s right right this a lot of shows you couldn't remember Starski and Hutch. Remember Huggy Bear, the, I think he was a pimp on Starski and Hutch. You couldn't get away with that shit anymore. That's right. So, Huggy Bear for Huggy Bear. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, moving back to the PLL, so back then, part of the riff between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, [1:32:11] it came out of the first Infra-Stat-Intifada in like 80, whatever, 87. But they took exception with Yasser Efeb because he basically denounced violence, right, as a way to attain, you know, the Palestinian objectives and goals and everything. He was like, okay, and he, you know, remember, he was involved in signing some piece of chords and Madrid and Oslo chords and everything. And so, so Hamas, you know, in their charter basically is like, no, she had this the way to go. Violence is the way that we're going to, you know, it's liberation, not negotiation. They have all these sayings in their charter, right, about this. And so anyway, but there have been problems. And eventually they had an election in what year was it? 2006, I think, in Gaza. And Fatah, Yasser Afrat's party, the PLO party, [1:33:02] was up and was expected to win, didn't win, Hamas won, and during the course of the next year, they actually got into a war between Hamas and PLO or Palestinian Authority, Hamas booted him out, so they govern. So when you think about Palestine or the Palestinian state or whatever it is, you've actually got two completely separate entities. You've got Gaza run by Hamasamos and you've got the West Bank, right, run by Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority. So is the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank are they popular there? Yeah, they're popular enough. Yeah, they're popular. They continue to govern, right? They continue to be in charge. And so is really objective that the Palestinian Authority Control all of Palestine no they don't see that's that's where it comes in the US Secretary Blankin and others have been pushing this idea that somehow the Palestinian Authority will will be the governing body and in Gaza and [1:34:02] You know, Gazans look at them. They don't necessarily, you know, they don't want that. He's actually less popular, Mahmoud Abbas is less popular now than he was even before the 7 October attacks. And Israel is saying no, look, you know, Abbas and the Palestinian Authority, they haven't even denounced the attacks of 7 October, right? We don't want them, it's like, in their their mind It's almost like just trading one for the other right if they're the governing authority So I think when you say what it's gonna look like You know, it's probably gonna be and Israel said we don't want to occupy this shit They stopped occupying guys in 2005 right they were like You know done now they still controlled the border and they control the coastline right and the one crossing those basically two crossings there line, right? And the one crossing those, basically two crossings there. Karim Shalom crossing with Israel and Gaza. And there's a Rafa crossing. But, you know, they're saying, no, we don't want them governing. So it could end up looking like a some type of UN Arab states type of [1:35:01] coalition, right? That then is there and they're responsible for security of Gaza and they're responsible for, you know, they're rebuilding effort. But he has a long ways to go, right? To get there. So Israel is not trying to take over Gaza. They don't want it. Yeah, they got, look, you have to go by. Is it kind of like leveled it? They kind of leveled it. Yeah, I mean, they just look, and people cry genocide, they're saying genocide, you can debate the meaning of genocide, but typically in terms of academia, and people that talk about these things, you've got war crimes, you've got crimes against humanity, you've got genocide, and they all mean different things, right? Israel wants to destroy Hamas, right? There, you have to ask yourself, is there intent to destroy all Palestinian people as a group to just get rid of them? Is it like what they tried to do with the Armenians all those years ago or, you know, the German effort against the Jews? [1:36:00] I mean, they said, is that what they intend to get to make this group disappear? Or is there intent to destroy Hamas a terrorist organization That has been attacking them and continues to attack them and it's in their charter because it's in the Iranian regime's objective And in their mind is to remove Israel you could argue what Iranian regime wants to do is genocide, right? They want to remove Israel, right? That's pretty much the definition of genocide so again it depends on how you but those are just a little disproportionate amount of military power uh well yes all again between the two of course yeah yeah and but you have to say okay are we are we lumping Hamas into the the Iranian proxy network they built a belt of terrorist organizations right whether it's a Islamic jihad Palestinian Islamic jihad or Hamas or the Houthis or the khazbalah of north they've created this network of proxies designed with the objective of removing [1:37:00] Israel at some point right because that's the stated purpose of the Iranian regime they you know they want the destruction of Israel so So, you know, you could argue, well, look, all of that together, that's the military power, or is it just this one group? Now, you know, in a confined sense, yes, of course, Israel's got far more military power than Hamas as an organization, right? And again, it doesn't You know, it's not it's it's not one thing or the other It's horrible what the Palestinians civilians go through and have been going through you could also argue that Hamas knows exactly what they were going to go through when they when they instituted they instigated the attacks They did get support and training from the Iranian regime so the Iranian regime knew what was going to happen Right, so what do you think the knew what was going to happen. Right? So what do you think the state, what is the purpose of the attacks? The attacks are not just to kill those 1200 people. No. It's not. No, you're absolutely right. And part of it is tied to the desire to scuttle the Abraham Accords and the potential normalization of relations between Saudis [1:38:10] and Israel. That really worries them, right? And Ismail Hanyye came out, head of the political wing of Hamas, came out after the attacks and talked about this and glorified the attacks and also said that, look, this, you know, people, our Arab brothers, our Arab states, should realize that Israel is not, you know, is not, you will have no peace, basically, with negotiations and with relationships. So he was clear in the way that he put it that you know He was sending a message to the Arab states about this idea of normalizing relations with Israel so That was part of it part of the desire was to do was to tank those discussions which were Pretty well underway right and now are back again, right? They they they kind of took them off the table for a while, but the Saudis and the US [1:39:04] have been having some pretty good discussions recently over the normalization of all of this. I think the Arab states, look, Bahrain and Morocco and others all understand too, that long-term stability down the road is going to come from normalization of relationships and some long-term ability to have peace, which is part of the problem. They don't want. That's why they don't take Palestinian, they're worried about the Palestinian refugees. You say, well, why doesn't Egypt so hope around the crossing and set up a refugee camp across the way from the Ralph of Crossing? Well, in part because they're worried about the wrong security. Egypt has been building a big wall. They've been adding to their wall down along their border with Gaza Strip. So, you know, they formed the PLO. Egypt was in charge of the PLO. All those years ago, back in the early 70s, right? You know they were essentially the leaders they put in place and in the PLO all those years ago [1:40:07] We're basically just puppets for Egypt, right? And part of the reason why they were putting those people in place was because they wanted to minimize sort of the radical Islamic extremist actions, right? And the acts that they took against Israel because they wanted stability They did the families down there, right? Whether it's Qatar or the Saudis or the Egyptians or whatever. They're just as worried about radical Islam, right? And the potential for them to lose control and to lose power, as are the Israelis and others in a sense, right? Not necessarily from the physical sense, but they've attacked, you know, our families before or leaders before. So it's a complex problem. I guess what I'm saying is there's a lot of Moving parts here and sometimes it all just gets you know thrown into one simple-minded argument, right? It's good or it's bad. Israel's committing genocide, you know You know Palestinian people are terrible. No, it's there's so much fucking more to this so [1:41:01] Again, you know, I don't know that there's any solution that that will be long long term Committed peace in the region in our lifetime, but in the short term, I think you know the conflict when it's wrapped up I don't see how it ends with Hamas still being in control of Gaza I don't I think that's a red line for The Israeli government now maybe Netanyahu doesn't last as a leader of the government and somebody like Benny Gantz takes over and they're more inclined to say now you know what just for the sake of some peace right now you know it's just call it quits but it could happen. He's got Netanyahu, he's got a lot of internal issues, political issues, right? So, but I think... Well, that's something that we talked about before, the people protesting on the street for months, hundreds of thousands of people protesting on the streets, about Nenyao who expanding power with their courts. [1:42:00] Yeah, and I think that if there's... Look, if there's a changing government Fine they do what they're gonna do. I just I just think that You know from an operational perspective And this is just operation. I'm not talking about the moral the ethics of the whole thing of people dying all this I'm just saying from an operational perspective Leaving Hamas in place isn't gonna create any Even midterm peace is it possible for them to get Hamas in place isn't gonna create any even midterm peace. Is it possible for them to get Hamas out? It is possible to do what they're doing, just bomb the shit out of everything. Well, they do a lot of targeted strikes. They do a lot of, yeah, it's fucking ugly, right? You can't show code any of this and say, well, they're just like, I say, when I say targeted strikes, I'm not saying it's all very surgical and people aren't getting out. And of course, people are dying. But, and you're not gonna remove them. You can't get down to zero some here. It's like counterterrorism. You never reduce the risk down to zero. So when you're talking about Hamas, you can't destroy them in the concept they're all dead, right? Because the leaders are like I said, they're fat and happy sitting in Qatar and Turkey [1:43:06] and elsewhere. That's where they're hiding. They're not even hiding, right? They're guests. This is how fucked up some of these Middle East problems are, they're guests of the Katari government, right? They, and we know they're there. And so did they go there when the conflict started? No, no, no, no, these guys have been living abroad for years. Right? They've been living abroad for years. And in part because, look, Hamas runs a network of businesses and charitable organizations just like Hasbalad does. Hasbalad's got a global presence. Right? So, but they're sitting over there in a country that is also one of our key non-nado allies. So we have our largest Middle East base there, in Qatar. And so it's only just recently, and I recently is like the past week or so, where the US is broached the idea of say, look, if Hamas doesn't accept a ceasefire, [1:44:02] then the Qatar government needs to move these people out. They need to expel them, right? And whether the Cotari government would do that or not, because they're playing all sides, right? The Cotari government does, you know, they've hosted the Taliban, they've hosted ISIS leaders. Nice parties. Nice party, great party. We're in party to host. The canopies are delicious. It's a lovely time in the conversation. And so, you know, it's a, so it is, I'm just trying to paint the picture that it's more complicated than somebody sitting on a campus at UCLA might imagine. Right. Right. And to your point, it deserves more debate. It deserves more intellectual open conversation, right? Not necessarily when you talk about who's right and who's wrong. How about focus on how do we fucking solve the problem, right? If, and the problem is maybe intractable. If the problem's a two-state solution, [1:45:02] then maybe, you know, this thing is just never, never gonna work because, you know, maybe a two-state solution is the best idea you know, this thing is just never, never going to work, because, you know, maybe a two-state solution is the best idea, but if one side or the other is not going to accept it, and both sides have pushed back against it at various times, then, you know, what do you got? Where's it going? The thing is, like, most people never get to hear this, like, wide-ranging perspective, like you just laid out with all the different factors. I'm sure there's more factors. But all the different, you know, significant pieces that are in play here. Yeah, and I think that's, but the same thing happens with every major issue, right? Because again, if you turn on the news, you get a three-minute piece of news about a major crisis happening, right? Like the Ukraine, the conflict, whatever. So, and, you know, not everybody wants to sit and listen, you know, to details about, like an Israel and Hamas or once a Ukraine and or, you know, what Iran's doing with their nuclear weapons program or whatever, but we tend to have ADHD as a nation, I think. [1:46:10] And so, again, people are busy, people are just focused on other things. But it deserves more conversation, it deserves more detail and not the bullshit that gets thrown out there from one side or the other, right? Sort of the hard edges, right? Or the shit that comes in from outside elements like the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians who don't have our best interests at heart. And, you know, so again, we keep going back to the same thing. If people aren't curious and they don't take the fucking responsibility upon themselves to understand what it is that they're listening to is it verifiable is incredible. Whatever. Get a balance of news. Don't just sit and get in with silo and listen to shit because you agree with it. Have a conversation with somebody who disagrees with it. That's very interesting. Yeah. It is. It's very valuable too. [1:47:00] If you have the ability to just let someone talk and engage them and not get upset and angry, just why do you think that? What do you think about this? And just have a, I mean that used to be an admirable trait. Well, I think that's why you're blowing smoke up your ass, but that's why I think that your show works, right? It's because you have conversations and you piss people off. Because I think sometimes people have a hard time putting you in a box, right? And that makes people uncomfortable. If they think, you know, okay, I know where he's coming from and then you have a conversation where you're listening to something completely on the other side, right? And you're not just saying, that can piss people off right because Everybody wants to to to to identify make a quick judgment and say move on yeah, yeah, and judging is a lot easier than thinking It is a lot easier. It's super simple [1:48:06] Thinking is fucking complicated especially when you're dealing with layers upon layers decades and generations of conflict, like you are in Gaza and Palestine. Yeah, Israel. It's nuts. Yeah, I don't know where it's gonna, I mean, again, I think the US is in an interesting position. They're not the key mediator here, right? They're not the, you know, they can exert pressure on Israel to some degree. But Israel's been very clear and said, look, this is existential for us, right? If the shoe was on the other foot, if it was the US, it was facing this sort of threat. Right, if we were talking about Mexico. Right, we're Canada. Canada is a threat. Yeah, but Canada is too close. Yeah, at least Mexican speaks Spanish. It's easier to that's that Yeah, meanwhile, the way more Mexicans over here than our Canadians, right? I don't know I don't know if I trust the Canadians I think they're coming across the border at night when we don't see them I think they're in a cult. Yeah, yeah, that fucking true does [1:49:01] Yeah, the fact that they voted that guy in again is mind blowing. Like how what are you fucking paying attention? Your country's literally falling apart and you guys are so wrapped up in one ideology or another you don't course correct. Yeah. You know, it's like if Newsom was the governor, not just the governor of California, but if he was the president. He was running the same policies on our country. don't know he was he was thrown out there as i said i mean now that they moved off of pete boudagian some others but now he's he's still a winnable boudagian is incompetent is unwinnable well you could argue that new sim also is incompetent 100 percent but that's slick fucker you know i think they were trying him for a little while, but then they decided to just run it with Biden again, which is just absolutely wild. Absolutely wild. Well, I was pretty convinced that this was gonna be the month they were gonna remove Biden. I was like, yeah, I was like, I think May, I talked to Tim Dillon about it, he put that idea in my head, and I think I was like, you know what, that totally makes sense. May seems like it makes sense. Because if you're gonna really get a new guy in place, if Biden is like, you guys, I got a problem, [1:50:07] is the thing to be here on the sidelines, I'm gonna work really close with Governor Newsom. And I think it's like, I don't know. For more years, pause. Pause, pause. That was actually brilliant. It's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy that these people are gaslighting us to save the subject. But they can't move him out. Right. If they move him out, they got to move Kamala Harris out, right? Or they got to elevate her to the top of the ticket. Which is nuts. That's not gonna happen. Well, I know of you. You have to be the nuttiest fucking Democrat. And I know of those. How do you get to that point? How do you get to that point? You're retarded. You just completely get it in. There's no critical thinking at all. And you're just fucking blue no matter who. You ride or die. Well, that's what I mean, I assume that they've looked at the scenarios and they thought to themselves, we can't have Biden step down and put somebody else at the top of the ticket. [1:51:07] So we've got to clear the ticket entirely, right? Because we can't run Kamala Harris as the presidential candidate. So and we certainly can't bring in Newsom a white dude to run the top of the ticket and keep her in place, right? That's not an op that goes. Well, she's just not valuable in that spot she doesn't gain you it doesn't get confidence that will have a great vice president if he kicks the bucket and bro how are they keeping him a lot yeah what are they giving him and where do I get it well she'll be she'll be present yet what are you going to ease on yeah I want to try as an able-bodied man of complete control of my cognitive functions. I'd like to know what that fucking cocktail is like. I was going to say the cocktail that they gave him before the state of the union of yours. Whatever they gave him then, right, that fired him up just long enough to make it through. Yeah, it's long enough. Boy, he must have slept for a week after that. I bet God. I bet it's some high-dose stuff, whatever it is. And I bet it feels great. Yeah, yeah, in the moment. [1:52:06] And then I think it's probably a, it's probably a come down. Oh boy. But yeah. But no, so yeah, so she, she'll be president. This is my theory. I know I've lost bet with you before on Trump. But I worry that, look, I think, you know, the Republicans can't really go after Biden's age completely only because Trump is what, 78. Right, but he's not as compromise. No, absolutely not. Right, and that's absolutely true. But I just, I think that what's going to happen is that you have to have a perfect storm for Trump to win in terms of the independence, right? And suburban moms and you have to have enough people come back into the tent, right? To vote for him. And I just I don't know that I have enough confidence that that's gonna happen. So we end up with President Biden and Harris again, which means we will have President Harris. [1:53:03] I hate to say that, right? You No, you wish well on everybody, right? Good health and all that. But come on, come on, come on, please. Are you kidding me? Come on. It's not gonna, two years into this next 10 years. But it isn't president. Trump ahead in a lot of polls in two states. He is, but again, I don't know that I'd make bank on polls nowadays. I think it's, this is going to sound like I'm going off topic, but after the 7 October attacks in Gaza, I think that the survey was done in maybe January and February timeframe. They released it in March. So a Palestinian research center based in Ramallah, I think, in Gaza. I forget where it was, but anyway, they ran a survey. And according to this poll that they did of residents of Gaza, over 70% supported Hamas's [1:54:00] seven-october attacks. Over 70% supported Hamas attacks. It was a minuscule amount that thought that Hamas was responsible for their troubles, right? It's like less than 10% I think they thought that Hamas was responsible for all the chaos now happening, right? Despite the fact of what they did, but they supported what they did according to the poll. Now you appeal that back and you think to yourself, okay, well first of all, the survey was done in Gaza. So somebody knocks on your door and says, do you support Hamas's actions on 7 October? What the fuck do you think I'm going to say? Right. Of course, I'm going to say yes. It's kind of like if you walk up to somebody in San Francisco on a crowded street and say, do you do you support President Trump? No. You know, so I don't know that people are particularly honest right at times in surveys and polls, especially in these circumstances. In these circumstances. But but you're right. Most surveys, most polls show them, uh, you know, some points ahead. And, you know, don't get me wrong. I'd, you know, I'd love to see less regulation. [1:55:01] You know, we got all sorts of problems on the economic front and one thing we could be doing as a government is peeling back some of the regulatory environment that's fucking us over, right? In a lot of ways, not just the economy, but it impacts our national security down the road. How much when you hear about shenanigans when it comes to voting. When you hear about, particularly corruption involved with mail-in ballots, it seems to be a sticking issue with people. How much of a security issue is that? Like the mail-in ballots thing? Yeah, look, if there's an opportunity for fraud or chaos, some people somewhere, whether Democrats or Republicans or whatever, if there's a fraud opportunity, there will be an element that will try to play off of that. Especially if they think that it's imperative that this happened for this future of democracy. Future of democracy. Oh my God, I'm saving the country, despite what I'm doing. So, that's what we're doing, being very un-American. Right, exactly. [1:56:00] So, I don't have any insight or insight information about, you know, to what degree there's a problem with, with, with, mail-in ballots and voter fraud, but to me, I tend to be a little more simplistic. I remember a lot of elections where you just show up, you show your ID, you fill out the form, and then by that evening, you found out who out who won. It didn't seem to be that complicated. And now, and nobody seemed really disenfranchised. So I would like to see us just go back to the normal way of voting. And do we vote on it? How do people decide whether or not mail-in ballots are appropriate? Because the reason why they were there in the first place was COVID. Right. Right. But now that it's there and it's set up, now there's this resistance to get rid of mail-in ballots. But if that is the thing that keeps us closer to corruption and it seems to be, that's the thing that's an element that you can fuck with. [1:57:02] Right. And you do this all the time in the business environment or whatever you look at your protocols in place, you remove lack of controls where fraud could seep in. It's a common thing. It shouldn't be difficult. But so then you have to look at it with some skepticism. Are you genuinely concerned that somehow there were vast swathes of the population that were disenfranchised and not able to vote or just can't get themselves an ID, which I think is an insulting stance to take for a lot of people. You're not smart enough to get yourself an ID. But you need one if you have a vaccine. But you need one if you have a vaccine. You need one if you want to work or from Sanoscopy yourself. You need one. But you need one if you have a vaccine, or you need one. Or from Sanus Club yourself. You need one, but you don't need one to vote, because that's racist. So yeah, exactly. Or something. So I think, to me, it just seems like we should look at it from a perspective of the way that you would do it if you were running a business, which is I wanna minimize the potential opportunities for fraud. How do I do that? It's very fucking simple. Seems fucking simple. [1:58:05] You mean you can phrase it that way. So, but that's not how they're doing it right now. And is that something that can be voted on? That's the question. I like who decides to leave it up to the people you mean? Well, who decides that mail-in ballots are still legitimate? Well, I guess that was a federal or a state decision. I think as I don't know, that's a very good question. Yeah, I, who knows? Cause I have friends that believe there was no voter fraud at all and I have friends that believe that 100% Trump won. Yeah, yeah, I'm the same way. I've got both sides and you think, okay, well look. Someone's really wrong. Well, and usually the answer is somewhere in that range, in the middle. There's some fraud, was it enough to like, fuck things over? Who knows? I don't know, but again, I keep going back to the operational concerns, which is just minimize the potential for fraud. [1:59:01] Maryland ballots have always been, Maryland ballots have been a thing, right? You're serving overseas or whatever. But there was a protocol for it and it was very straightforward and very clear. And now, the concern over ballot harvesting and Maryland ballots and having months to get you to having weeks past before you know who won, right? Yeah, talk about instilling skepticism over the credibility of your voting system. Yeah. Take weeks to figure out who won a fucking election. Is there a real danger that Trump could win but lose, meaning that he could win the election but lose this court case? Oh. And literally have to go to jail while he's the president. I mean, yeah. This was the topic of discussion at the Rogan House today. Was it? all and literally have to go to jail while he's the president i mean yeah this was the topic of discussion at the rogan house today was it well it would try to figure out like because yeah he could he could he could he there's nothing that says he can government from jail it's a possible they've really let me say him in jail is is he in danger of [2:00:01] actually being put in a jail for these crimes of not, what did he do exactly? He paid a lady off and I guess he did it in a secretive way or in a, well, he did it in the same way that Arnold Schwarzenegger did it. Or he did it in the same way that a variety of people who are trying to suppress a bad PR story do it, right? So I think the trial that's going on right now involving Stormy Daniels in New York was the least favorite trial of the Democrats or the most keen to see him put in prison, right? They all felt as if this is probably not the one to start with, but they started with because Alvin Bragg was dead set on doing it, right? He just like, I'm going to throw this out there. And, you know, a variety of other entities had looked at that case and said, we're not going to push it forward. And so they've put this forward. I don't think there's anybody other than the hardcore Nevertrumpers, the people that are just desperate to see him in a jumpsuit who believe that there's any merit to it that the analysts that you watch [2:01:07] uh... across the board even though the the hard left ones they tend to speak in caveats right like that you know they're not completely convinced that this was the way to go so i don't know but having said that if he gets convicted and if there's like some gatta go to prison, that sounds so fucking bizarre, how do we get to this point? Then I don't know of any, any, you know, I don't know if anything gets said. He can't, you know, continue to run or be elected. What is being accused of is this generally a crime that people actually have to go to jail for? No. No. Is that not a good idea for them? No, they're trying to tie this in to sort of the campaign issue of campaign funds, influencing of the campaign. That's what they're trying to tie it into. Well, of course, he's trying to suppress a story, right? [2:02:03] That he thought would be bad bad or that they thought his team thought would be bad for a campaign. But that in and of itself, so they got tied into how the funds were expended. They've tried this in the past. And again, it's not like there haven't been countless dudes who did the mess around and then had to pay to get the story suppressed, right? I mean, that's, there are PR firms that specialize in that sort of thing. So, I don't know. I don't see this as gonna tank him, right? There's probably other cases out there. Is it a case where, yeah, there's probably more cases, right? Waiting, they're gonna keep throwing it out. Yeah, they've got a timeline of cases. And look, this, you know, the democratic strategists have been, you know, they stick to a message. They're very smart and they're very disciplined. But they all sat in a room somewhere and they looked at these very thin, they him in the news [2:03:15] as being in a court, right? The idea that he's got to sit there and can't leave. You don't see that, you know, that's not a typical move, right? But now he's locked into that court on whatever, Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday and Friday or whatever. So with the idea being he's not on the campaign trail. But he's also in the news and his supporters think that he's being unduly prosecuted or unfairly prosecuted. And that it's a political prosecution. And then all they're trying to do, which is essentially un-American, is suppress their political rival. Right. And that is a large number of people in the country. A larger number every day, I think this is going on, of the gain more of an understanding of this case. Like the problem is, if you're a Democrat and you support this, if he does get in power, now he has this ability. You have to understand there's a precedent's been set. And if you don't think that Biden [2:04:01] has a shitload of things, So let's say Biden loses. Okay, let's get really crazy. Let's get really, really crazy. Biden loses, they inject him with stem cells for three years. And then they roll him out in 2027. Like, let's do it again. Let's do it again. Trump won the second term we saw disasters as a versus that was. And they say, you know what? He's been sharper than ever. And if he's New York liberals who just gaslight the shit out of you, I saw that video and I'll tell you, I'm pumped. He's as sharp as a tack. He's never been better. Sure he's old, but that's his superpower. His work ethic looks fantastic. He is so kind, he's such a good man. He's the father of our country. Well I read so lucky. I read an ex post by admittedly, a guy that works for a consulting firm in DC, he's a democratic strategist, but he wrote this glowing thing about how [2:05:02] Biden's had his great couple of weeks. Man, as he had a good couple of weeks. He's on fire. Yeah, he's on fire. Look what he's done in the Middle East, right? And you think like, four more years. Well, you could argue that part of our problem was we coddled the Iranian regime for three years, and that's how things got to this stage. And now what? And suddenly he's had a good couple of weeks. They're not leading the charge on any ceasefire negotiations, right? They're in fact, you could argue that they're making National security decisions related to Israel based on domestic policy concerns or political concerns, right? You don't want to lose the youth vote. You don't want to lose the Arab American vote by being overly supportive of Israel So there is some concern here. But isn't that losing the Jewish vote then? Because Jewish we talked about the gesture that 70% of Jewish people identify or vote as Democrats. Yeah, I know. And what's that all about? I've never been quite clear on how that number worked. And so, yeah, it is interesting. But anyway, I don't wanna say that they're making too many [2:06:02] decisions based on domestic political concerns, but I think that they are. That's just the nature of the game, right? And so I don't think I'm being overly cynical, but yeah. What I was getting to was that if Biden did, if we went crazy in 2027, they got him on stem cells, and they put him in a hyperbaric chamber every day for four hours, and he sharp as a tiger, tacos. I'd like to say, I'm going to be a guy who's been on the show for like a long time. I'm going to be a guy who's been on the show for like a long time. I'm going to be a guy who's been on the show for like a long time. I'm going to be a guy who's been on the show for like a long time. I'm going to be a guy who's been on the show for like a long time. sons, business partners, but 100 Biden's former partner said that at least 20 phone calls, the fact that he allegedly used a pseudonym when he was exchanging emails, all that's nuts. All that is nuts. Well, if that was the case, if now Trump gets to go after him, this is now what we're dealing [2:07:02] with insanity. Now we're dealing with every time someone is president, they have the power to prosecute their political rivals for unnecessary means. Which is the whole argument of immunity, right? This is not the thing that should be a thing that decides whether or not a guy gets to run for president. No, that's a very fourth world thing, right? And I find it getting trouble for saying fourth world people. Oh my god. How can you denigrate the fourth world? Well, it's a good. Are we fourth? We're heading in that direction. Well, I don't know for the first world. Where are we? I'm not sure where we stand. We have those first world. That's where we're not. That's what's scary recalibrate. Um, maybe Maybe there are no first worlds anymore, but when you find out I mean we found that the 1% of the world is 34,000 dollars a year When you hear that you go, oh, that's why they're walking over here. That's why this is all yes That's why it's all nuts. Yeah, like yeah, like this is first world. It's crazy as it is. This really is first world Yeah, well look I know I I spent most of my life overseas and I met a lot of people in some very [2:08:07] bizarre environments and some sort of remote areas. And they all had this idea, you know, get to America, work hard and you could do who knows what. So it's still and it still continues to be a very dynamic driving element of people overseas. I think we forget that sometimes. And certainly, you could look at the campus protests and go to, well, okay, maybe the youth of today, but that's not true either, because we can fall into that trap and say, well, fucking youth of today don't understand how great they have it. And everything, every generation has said that about their kids. Well, not only that, if you look at every generation has had that about their kids for sure, but if you looked at this population of college kids and you could remove these kids from their friends and with total immunity and total anonymity, get their real opinions on all [2:09:05] this stuff. I guarantee you there's a lot of kids, they say, some of this is so crazy, and you can't have opposing opinions, and we just sort of accept it, and we move on, and it's what percentage of the kids are out there, tense, intense, what percentage of the kids are out there blocking the roads and protesting. I bet it's a small percentage. It's a very small percentage. It's a lot of people, but then there's a lot of people that go there that probably don't even go to that school, right? Right. Well, I mean, if you look at that arrest statistics so far, right? You know what, say it's not, you know, completely accurate. Now, about 2,400 arrests, right? Campus is across the country. And the statistics are starting to show that, you know, upwards of half of those arrests, those people have no affiliation with the university. They're not college students, right? They're outside either agitators, activists, however you want to refer to them, right? So yeah, I agree [2:10:02] with it. It's not, We're not talking about a lot. And again, I would argue that from the outside activist perspective, again, whether it's students for justice in Palestine or the other groups that are involved, they look at the students themselves as just window dressing. And again, sort of useful idiots. But I will tell you one thing is you can get cynical sometimes about the state of the youth, however you want to call it the youths, but then I took my oldest boy, a scooter for his candidate visit at the US Naval Academy a couple of weeks ago. That is a way to strengthen or reaffirm your belief in in where we are as a country right when you see The kids that are there Holy fuck right and I probably shouldn't say that when I'm describing all the kids there But what great kids right they're still out there. There's still out there. That's a lot of them [2:11:01] We're saying earlier like you know, the generation before, I think this is the best generation. It's just there's so many morons. But in terms of just the sheer number of people that aren't, it'll surprise you. There's a lot of great people in this country. And we have our problems. And we're going to always have problems. But one of the ways we find solutions is by having problems And that's one of the ways we come to understandings and the people that are trying to stop you from discussing this That's the real problem the problem is not disagreement folks the problem is people trying to stop people from discussing very important subjects and That is look fucking all hail Elon Musk, because that motherfucker stepped in, spent $44 billion and shifted the entire, like the environment of social media is very different because X is the Wild West. It's very different everywhere. Everything has to [2:12:01] kind of relax just to kind of keep up with it because the the whole power dynamic the whole Bell curve has shifted and now you got this one dude is like I don't give a fuck I'm gonna post ridiculous memes. I'm gonna talk shit. I'm gonna say funny things I remember where he was a darling of the left. Oh my god. Now he's Nazi. No, it's crazy He's the worst having one of his cars was like a virtue badge. Like my friend made fun of me because I had a Tesla. I was like, dude, I don't give a fuck what you say if you get in this car, you'll change your mind. Remember that South Park episode with a Prius? I don't. I didn't see that one. Thank you. There was a whole episode about people of South Park buying Prius isn't feeling incredibly super self-right. It was fantastic It's almost as good as their their their smack in it in San Diego Bro, it is a thing in California. It is a real thing that some of my liberal friends that I know what you're doing You fucks you're waving a flag. That's not even a good car. You didn't even like the way it looks Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, out of here with that fucking stupid thing. But now he's, yeah, you're right. [2:13:06] Now he's a Nazi and you know. See, but the Tesla thing made sense to me. I'm like, okay, when you drive one of those things, you get both things. You get to feel like you're better because I'm out here doing something amazing for the environment. And then also you get a fucking time machine. That thing moves like a time machine. It doesn't even seem real how fast those things are. Did I tell you, did I tell you when I rented it, I ended up with a Tesla? I think I might, I don't know if I told you about that. When I show up at a rental car place and then I forget even what town I was in. And I hadn't asked for an EV, right? But I guess now they're kind of like They're pushing them out. Push them out. Yeah. So the guy says, oh, we got a Tesla for you. I said, okay, fine. So he hands me the card. Right? That little card. It's not like, all right. So he's out there in whatever. Space 428. So I wander out there and I stand and it's locked. Right? So now I'm standing there thinking, well, I don't have a clue how to open this thing, right? So a guy walks by and he goes, oh, he just tapped the card on the card. [2:14:09] So I'm out there like tapping. Taping the fucking card. I'm tapping it all over. No, he didn't tell me a little panel right there. Tap it on that. So I'm tapping the fucking card. I look like a monkey fucking a football. And I'm just like, what the hell? And so finally, finally, the guy walks over and he goes, what are you doing? I said, I'm trying to open the car. So he goes, oh, it says he taps it, car opens. I go to the, he said, thanks very much man. And he walks away. You know how he did it? Did you pay attention? Well, I watched him and he just hit that one spot on So I sat down in the car now I don't have a clue how to start to fuck her And so I had to Google I'm saying I'm not gonna I'm not gonna walk back all the way over there and say look I'm such an idiot. So I sat there and I Google how do you start a Tesla right right and I had to sit and watch this stupid video And it was fine and then I will say yeah, I was I was very impressed I loved it. It was a great experience. I had never done that before. It was a bizarre, right? And then... It was a bizarre how fast they are. [2:15:06] It was crazy, right? It was a bizarre. And then you got to figure out how to charge it. And that was a whole other... Oh, yeah. And then you got to make sure that there's chargers available. Right. And some places a fucking line. Yeah. You got to wait And we're gonna sit in there for an hour and we're all gonna drive electric vehicles when you don't we don't have the capacity yet Right, I'm gonna go ahead. We're doing it. The guy's not ready for it yet. No, not only that the fucking source of the minerals is a horror story Yeah, oh I meant that there's a great story in which was a Wall Street Journal today and I love when they have stories like this Because I'm thinking no shit Sherlock. It's about It's about access for the defense industry to magnets, right, rare earth magnets, which you need for everything, submarines, F-35s, whatever. Think about what you need for, I mean, magnets are also for, obviously for a variety of everything else, [2:16:00] how solar appliances and shit. 92% of rare earth magnets are controlled by China right now, right? Materials and manufacturing. And so now the US is suddenly realizing that they've got an issue because a while back, handful of years ago, they put in place a law that will actually come into effect in 27 in a big way, which says, magnets from China, where the materials or the processing or manufacturer is in China. So we don't have a capacity. Why? Why can't we get them after 27 from China? Well, that's kind of when they said that's it, because we want to be in control of something this critical to a variety of things, right? Do we have the capability? Well, yeah. I mean, we do. Look, rare earth, it's interesting. Rare earth minerals are not, they're not called that because of their rareness, right? They're actually, you know, you could argue critical minerals are more difficult to get your hands on, but it's the refining process that makes them difficult. [2:17:00] And we can get them, we could have this capacity. We could have had the capacity for years and years and years, but it's the regulatory policies, right? So it's like the mining industry in the States is more a bunch. It's almost dead because we've put in place so many regulations and say you can't, no, I can't do that. It's a bit bad for the environment. We know it's worse for the environment is the way that they fucking mind these things overseas, whether it's in China or Africa or wherever else. And so we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot with this, but they're now starting to catch, anyway, it's a good article, Wall Street Journal. If they're gonna catch on, where do they get these? Is there a place where they can do it where they don't ruin everything? There's another article I found right below, it's stuck about mountain pass, which used to be a huge place. If it was oil, it would be considered Saudi Arabia. Is that where the Donner Party died? Yeah, maybe between California and Avadets is right here. Is that where they died? No. World's number one source of rares. Yeah. Bro, started in a gold rush and then production changed and things changed. [2:18:01] Is it still the number one source? Mountain passes arguably the best rare earth asset in the world. Whoa. If it were oral, it would be Saudi Arabia. Little let's start digging bitches. Yeah. And he was talking about the refining of it. And that's I think this article starts talking about. Yeah. So we don't have the refineries. Yeah. We need to. And so they're starting to put money into whether it's us or the Australians or the Germans or who have it They're starting to you know realize but good news as they figured this out But while we were paying attention to whatever we were focused on China was dominating you know above 90% and knowing right strategically thinking ahead Years ago thinking what's gonna be important right and so they did and they don't you know They're not playing the same game in terms of regulations and environmental concerns and practices. And that's a good thing. We should have environmental concerns. I'm not saying that. No, we should. But China is not having these concerns. No, they don't have it. One of the wildest things that, you know, these social media bots, you know, who knows what countries are using these, but there's a lot of them that are being run by foreign countries. [2:19:06] And a lot of times, Bill, like real and flammatory about climate change. And if they're funded by China, while China is building coal plants all the time, don't they have like hundreds of new coal plants that they're building? Yeah, opening up, I forget what it was, two a week or so, new coal plants. Please. And EPA just crushed the coal industry here over the past week and a half or so, new coal plants, and EPA just crushed the coal industry here over the past week and a half or so with some new regulations that are going forward in terms of what you have to reduce your emissions. Is it just a solution by nuclear? Isn't that the solution? I would say the solution is all of the above, right? It's everything, right? And you got to, and yes, eventually work towards something that makes sense on the green energy front. But yeah, nuclear is certainly a big part of it. But we get in this mindset, it's like everything else. We get one, it's got to be all this or it's got to be all that. It's like the way that we have arguments. But yeah, you're right. The people should look at, like if you have an environmental activist group, right? [2:20:03] And a lot of times they'll want to shut down a mining operation here in the States, right? And it looks like it's a grassroots, it's just like the campus protest. It looks like it's a grassroots thing. Oh, it's just a neighborhood organization that's against this idea. You got to dig into it a little bit. And then next thing you know, you find that there's outside elements involved because it's in their best interests. And China's figured this out. We've talked about this before. They figured out that the way to impact the US for their own good was to impact local and state regulations and regulatory policies towards things like mining, right? Because it helps them in their cause to dominate the industry or to dominate whatever that market is that we're talking about. So, you know, again, it's just a matter of, you know, peel back the layers, pay attention, think about what you're doing. I did wanna, oh. This is sort of what talks about the overbuilding of plants, but they're gonna run less frequently to keep their capacity high. [2:21:00] And then it's asked like why, and that they might just be doing it just in case. Yeah, in case. Yeah. Case what? Oh, no, I don't know. That's, you know, well, maybe that's their, their preparing for their electric cars. By the way, China has the most advanced electric car suspension that I've ever even heard of. It's so good that you could drive over speed bumps and you could have glasses balance on the hood. Well, it sounds like that old Saturday life skit where they said the ride was so smooth and the Lincoln you could conduct a circumcision in the back. So they had a rabbi in the back of a Lincoln doing a circumcision to show how smooth the transition to the suspension was. Well, this makes that look like a motorbike, like a motocross bike. Holy shit. These things go over everything and they stay flat. They don't feel anything. The car just stays flat as it's riding over all these bumps. It's nuts. And if you see how it works, like all the different things that are moving around inside [2:22:01] of it, all the machinery that they've developed to have this insane suspension, it's crazy. China is like really innovating right now in the field of electric cars. In the field of cars period, but their electric cars have made massive leaps because just a few years ago, I think Elon dismissed a lot of their electric cars, but now he's like, no, no, no, these are like really legitimate and they've got they've got their version of a Rolls-Royce that's like a million dollars and you can't even get it Yeah, we've seen these Chinese Rolls-Royce is they're insane Yeah, and they've also and part of that is because they've been strategic about locking up Critical minerals right overseas in terms of you know getting in there working with countries to lock up that market and also to dominate completely the refining side of things right they've got the confidence in knowing you know where they where they can take this is so this is like okay we can dominate the e.v. market you know because we've done the we've done the hard work ahead of this thing well this is their their chinese version of rules was and supposed to sick. Like you get inside of you like oh my god this car is incredible but you can't even [2:23:09] get them in America. Yeah. I like my cheap grand wagon here better. Jeep grand wagon is your great but I would drive this dope ass Chinese luxury sled. This thing looks insane. Hey you know that thing you sent me about the Manta? Yes. Yes. That's the ship. Yeah, the underpunt. It's fantastic. It's that you underwater on man vehicle. That's it right there. Yeah. That's what I hope America's making without me knowing with my tax dollars. And we are. Yeah. I mean, we make a shit like this. Look at that thing, man. That is so cool. Like that is, if you imagined like what was gonna be like the kind of technology that's been 2024 in like 1967, that would be right up there. Like a spaceship that they use in the ocean. [2:24:00] Yeah, and it's fantastic because it is, it's, you can, you know, manufacture thousands of them, right, and they're fantastic because it is it's you you can you know Manufactured thousands of them right and they're for very specific purposes. They're their long duration, you know, unmanned vehicles underwater Low power right so interesting. They're doing this that that thing called energy harvesting but they're getting it from the the gradient salinity in the in the water and The change in insulting us in the water, but it is fascinating, but part of it is. Can you explain that? How do they do that? No, I'd like to say that I'm a gradient salinity, you know, a fishinato, but I'm not. But this is interesting because they were behind the curve in developing, particularly from a naval perspective, these new capabilities. And we're seeing how the drones and the unmanned vehicles from a naval perspective have impacted Ukraine, right? And their ability to attack the Russian black sea fleet, we're seeing what the hoodies are doing with them, right? And we've been a little slow to the game. And so, you know, it's interesting to watch now that they're developing things like this, [2:25:01] which you can take apart and then ship someplace, right? It doesn't need the travel underwater to get to where it's going, right? You just ship it off, you put it together, you assemble it, you put it in, and it's got a variety of uses in, it can carry payloads, but it is fascinating. But there's also, we talked about AI, and there's something else that DARPA's been doing, because this is a DARPA-related project as well, is something called ACE. And they've just finished an AI and machine learning dogfight. They've created something, X62, which isn't, yeah. So autonomous. Now, you put two guys in there. There's still pilots in this thing. It's a modified F16, essentially. You've got two guys in there, There's still pilots in this thing. It's a modified F16 essentially that you you've got two guys in there But they're not flying it so they've conducted actual Dogfight scenarios against a human crew of 16 right and it's Remarkable this this plane is using AI machine learning to [2:26:01] To dogfight basically and is it winning against? Yes, yeah to dog fight basically. And is it winning against people? Yeah. Yeah. And so you still have a couple of guys in there, but they're just there, like an autonomous truck, right? They're just there and case things go wrong. They can take control. But it's unbelievable. And in the center tests, yeah. How what is the range? Well, in the virtual tests, well, it would be the range of an of NF16, right? I mean, it's, you've, you've got, um, so the, all the, everything's computing, all the, that's all happening in the computer learning on the plane. And it's making decisions faster than the human pilot can do it. It's not connected to the internet at all with sky, with, with SkyNet or whatever the fuck that is. This is the, the skyNet called, uh, oh, a Starling. Starling. A Sky Net, bro. Starling. Yeah. Now, I wanted to bring that up, because that is, to me, that's remarkable. And it's insane. That's insane that it's doing it in real time with a jet. It's crazy. But it makes sense. There's no margin for error. It would get it perfect. [2:27:01] And the virtual tests that they did and the virtual tests, they were undefeated against human humans. Right. So yeah, you think about what that means down the road. Okay. So what do you think these drones are that people keep seeing or these UAPs, I should say, drones. Some of them they think are drones that are like hovering over ships. Right. What do you do you think these are foreign, they've China can make electric cars that advanced? Right. And we can make drones that are pretty fucking advanced. Yeah. What kind of shit do they have? Well, I think most of that UOP sideings, and I think it's important for them, I'm glad the government and the defense department is finally at least come forward to some degree to say, look, we've got an interest in this, we want to investigate. We want to know what these things are, these sightings that we can't readily identify off the bat. Look, we were tricked out in the Korean War. The Russians designed the MIG, whatever it was, the MIG-15 maybe, and we had no idea, right? So they come out, they roll out the MIG-15 against, we were still using, you know, old rotor aircraft from, uh, uh, propeller aircraft from, uh, World War II in Korea, [2:28:09] the outset, and we didn't know that the Russians had advanced material science to the point that they had so that they could build something like this. So it would be insane for us to think somehow that the Chinese, you know, who have proven themselves to be brilliant at reverse engineering, other people's technology, haven't figured out something else. So yeah, there's always this game of trying to understand how advanced they are. And I suspect some of the UAP sightings are definitely probably Chinese. I don't think the Russians necessarily, but not that they wouldn't try or not try. But I suspect the Chinese are further advanced on this. And they've stolen a lot of technology from us over the years, and we've talked about that. But I think a number of the UIP sightings that get listed aren't just that, but that's why they do it. That's why they have an office now that they've admitted to that investigates. Cause it's a national security issue. You gotta know if a hostile state has created something [2:29:01] that we are not aware of, right? Propulsion or material science or whatever it may be. How much of that stuff could be kept secret? And for how long do you think? Like is it equivalent in terms of like the physicists that are working on this in China versus the ones that are working on it over here? Like is it possible that somebody made some sort of a propulsion breakthrough? Well, yeah, anti-gravity or something. Well, that was the thing. We have this lady that went missing. You know that story? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She was but she was working on an anti-gravity device. Yeah. And she back went back China for a little bit and then Yeah, but this back here. There's been some talk about you know, there's some various people, about there's various people, Salvador Pice and some others who have been working on supposedly on things similar, various propulsion systems, anti-gravity, how do you change the laws of physics, right? And I don't know that if, [2:30:00] I don't know how long that could be kept secret for. Because could you keep it here for a little bit though? Yeah, you could, but at some point, you know, it's gonna get rolled out and, you know, someone's gonna get wind of something. It's human nature. And we're always trying, we're always working just like the Chinese always working against us. We're always working to understand what they got. And so, you know, I'm not a big believer that, You keep secrets of an immense nature like that for a long period of time. Well if they did keep it a secret If that's what the tick-tack thing was that was 2004. Yeah It's hard to imagine them having that complex Propulsion system. It's so alien from what we we currently know Yeah, and have that 20 years ago. No one hears about it. No, I know I know and that's that is long time That is the I've been in conversation with some folks. We want to do a new series on new IPs, right? And, you know, I keep coming back to that incident, right? And the favor and the folks that were involved in those sightings as one of those things, right? Like if I had to, you know, [2:31:00] because a lot of things can be explained away. That one still is a tough one. That's a tough one. Yeah, there were a lot of eyes on target, radars and the wingman, and there was a lot of things here that just didn't add up. The physical movement of it. If all the machinery works, if all the sensors work, if all the detection equipment, all the, if all that stuff is accurate, that thing's doing something that no one's ever even seen. Oh, no, absolutely. No sign of propulsion system, speed of movement, change of direction, everything was so bizarre. But that's again, what we're looking for, and we're moving in, eventually we get in that direction, right? Eventually you have an explainable technology that could create something like that. Right. Then like you said, maybe 2004 is so long ago in terms of technology. No, I know, right? It sounds crazy, but 20 years ago it was a fucking totally different world. Well, there's that exponential advancement of technology as you go along and as you create things, but which is really crazy if that was ours. So if we had something like that in 2004, [2:32:01] who, where, what? Right, right, right. How much money, where did you get the smart guys? I don't think that would have been the case because I think that that we wouldn't have heard about it Because I think they would have had a a classified briefing with favor and say you saw nothing don't worry about it Mm-hmm, you know, it's all done You think that's the case or do you think they allow some talk about it because a lot of the talk is nutty anyway A lot of these people the believe in you are right. I am open minded about the idea to a certain extent, but a lot of these people that they could be telling you bigfoot stories. It's like this thing kind of folks. There's people that just see shit and it makes their life way more interesting and then there's people that have really seen things. I've good friends that have seen things so bizarre things. Yeah, you've talked seen things. I have good friends that have seen things. So there's bizarre things. Yeah, you've talked about it. You've talked about that. Yeah. And I, and I grabbed, talked to a couple of pilots that were out in Iraq and they said, we were flying nighttime, saw shit that we couldn't explain. We had no idea what the fuck it was over the skies of Iraq while we were on a story. And so yeah, I'm well then it gets to like Tucker Carlson territory. He believes they'll like spiritual beings. Yeah, yeah [2:33:08] I'm not sure he thinks they're like interdimensional travel Skinwalker ranch and yeah, if that's true then the world just got so much weirder Imagine us trying to deny that this whole time, but that's really what was going on. Yeah, although you know I it would help to explain a lot of things maybe and we can at least it wouldn't seem like we're You know, I don't know that Yeah, I'm not you know me. I'm not I'm not a conspiracy theorist I don't believe it because I again I'm going back to your point I don't believe that people can keep secrets for a long period of time, right? But what about the candy papers? No, there is that okay. All right Well or the one that I we talked about this before Martin Luther King yeah yeah that's the one that's the one that if if you're gonna really dig in I just you're never gonna shift me off the position that there were state local officials federal whatever involved in that it just doesn't make sense still um you might have conspiracies [2:34:01] are real exactly yeah it's not It's not for them are real. Oh yeah. And it's, yeah, you go back to the UAP thing. It'd be insane to say that there's no such thing. My favorite one is the Roswell one. Because if that one's real, it's the Roswell crash of 47. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That one. I'm not, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Seriously, I don't know. You're looking at me like, you know. You just looked at me like, come on, bro. You know, come on. Tell me. Tell me. That's the problem. No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't be able to. But maybe if you wanted to give me more disinformation, you could give me some more. That's a whole segment of society I do that believes Well, you're here because you're a nice guy, you're a smart guy and you actually know what you're talking about. And so I don't. I know what I've read and I go, oh my God, what does that mean? And so I can have you in here and you can explain things from a guy who actually understands the comp, you had the best explanation of what's going on in the Middle East I've heard yet. Yeah, well thank you. I appreciate it. Do you now on the heels of that, do you mind if I do a little shameless marketing? Oh, do some shameless marketing. Okay, so you know, we've got the president's daily brief, the podcast, and that started [2:35:10] up in September. It's done remarkably well, despite me being the host. Yeah, and so it's every morning, every afternoon, it's, we touch on, we hit the top issues, critical issues of the day, international stories, conflicts, whatever. And because it's done well, that's the weekdays that they're gonna launch a weekend version, extended weekend version on our YouTube channel. So we're going to video. So starting Saturday, May 18th, we're gonna take the PDB, it's gonna still be during the weekdays on Spotify and all your other podcast platforms. But then on Saturday, May 18th, we start with this, the situation report, it'll be an extended version on YouTube with video. We're gonna have guests and which leads me to my question of, how do you interview guests? [2:36:01] But it's gonna be great. News commentary, we're gonna have some very interesting people. Same idea. Touching on critical issues and stories, we're going to just stick with the facts. We're going to stay away from opinion, right? Which I think is one of the reasons why the PDB has done well is that it's 20 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the afternoon. We hit the facts, try to stay away from opinion. Occasionally I might make some stupid remark. But for the most part it's just a little bit of context and then you get on your way, Bob's your uncle. A little bit of personality flavored in with a little personality. Yeah I try not to inject too much because nobody wants that. But it's good. People need to hear these kind of balanced perspectives on things. I think it's very important that you provide it because you're actually a person who really understands these conflicts. It's because most of us, it's the whole idea behind it, so alien. Like what the hell's going on over there? Like it takes so long to try to penetrate to just like, oh, who's funding that? And then Iran is doing what? [2:37:01] And then so why do they want that? Oh, these are chords. And what do you chords mean? And what happens? Oh, okay. Well, that stuff is fucking complicated. And it's hard to find like a singular source where you could just sit down and read it all and have it all make sense to you. Well, I think that's, that was the reason why we talked about that. That was the reason why I said, okay, I agreed to do it was because they said look we want to stick with the news right We want to try to get back to the old days here's the news and again It's always good. There's going to be a little context or analysis in there But for the most part just give people what's happening tell them what's happening don't tell them how to think about necessarily Just tell them what's happening and the the president's daily briefs got a great. It's got a great staff You know, it's not like I'm doing everything. I'm just sort of like the monkey crashing the symbols together. There's a very unfortunate bit, sort of combining of the people that give you the news with people that think they're activists, or people that think that it's very important that you stick to a very specific narrative [2:38:01] and ignore information that's contrary to what your belief system says. Right. Well, if all you do is just say, here's what's happening. Here's what we know is happening. And you don't try to, again, you don't try to tell people what to think and you don't try to say, okay, we're going to approach it from a particular point of view and leave out half of what's happening. Right. Yeah. So just, and it's like that old thing. You know, there's still some news outlets out there that do a good job of just presenting facts. But most of them, you know, like you pointed, there is most of them are opinion based. Right. And you know, if you look at, if you sort of look at the, there's a survey that regularly looks at the news in terms of objectivity. And it changes somewhat. And interestingly, your show doesn't change much. It's always kind of, it's right up there in terms of, because you're not, you know, other news outlets disappear off of there, or they change position in terms of relative objectivity. But yours has been very consistent, but you've got outfits like Fox News or CNN [2:39:02] and they'll drop off the radar, right? Because they become nothing but opinion, right? For a period of time. Then maybe they self correct and they realize we need more news. We need more facts. So they'll come back on the survey and come up higher in terms of relative credibility of actual news. So anyway, it goes back to our original story. Everybody's got to be a little bit more careful because it's getting more dangerous out there in terms of disinformation. It's getting weird. It's getting weird when, you know, we've talked about this before, but it's an important number. This guy who used to work for the FBI who analyzed Twitter and said he believed that it was as much as 80% of the more bots. Seriously? Yeah, I did not see that. Pull that up, Jimmy. It's crazy, because he might be right, man. Like, there's really sophisticated ones. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then there's ones that are very crude. There's ones that are just like a bunch of letters and a bunch of numbers. Right. And it's someone just retweeting patriotic things. And you know, okay, I know what that is. Top cybersecurity expert claims that more than 80% of Twitter accounts are probably bots. [2:40:09] And this is 2022. So this was in the process of Elon buying this, all this stuff was going on. So that's interesting. Yeah, they were looking at this and they were saying, like when did he buy it? I was, that's part of the catalyst. I thought because he wanted to find out how many were bots. Right, yeah I was that's part of the catalyst that that because he wanted to find out right right but they they told him it was 5% I Think you mean all the jack what's his name the guy that ran Twitter. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but I think Elon felt like they didn't base it on enough of an analysis They they're based on a small number of accounts. I can't imagine it's 80% right? I can't imagine It's crazy. It does sound insane. I'm sure it's higher than 5 percent Sure sounds higher than 5 percent tweeted musk along with the tagging the news article okay So Dan Woods global head of intelligence and cybersecurity company f5 who spent more than 20 years of the US federal law enforcement and [2:41:01] Intelligence organizations told the Australian that more than 80% of Twitter accounts are probably bots. That's so nuts. Yeah, it's somewhere between five and 80. Even if it's halfway right, even if it's 50%. Let's just say 50. 40%? Yeah. You say 40% is crazy. Right. 40% of are bots. And then you, but that is, that's probably, you're probably getting to, to, to Acura because I think just the Chinese alone, right in the Russians, they invest an enormous amount of resource into this because they know it's effective, right? And they know how damaging it can be and why wouldn't you? Right. Why wouldn't you? Right. And this cyber era, you know, it's, it's a way to influence people's opinions. It really is. It's crazy how well it works. Yeah. And if you can just get like arguments going on Twitter, you know, people get engaged in those things, and you do like start a fire and run away from it. Yeah. Yeah. Can I ask you one more question? [2:42:01] Yeah. What would be your best advice for interviewing people? Because like I said, we're starting this show and it's gonna have guests on it. Do you have one thing that you've learned over the years in terms of talking to people and getting the best out of what they say? I think it's just a numbers thing. I don't think it's one thing. I think it's like everything else. You realize when you're being clunky. I do it all the time. I realize I interrupt too quick. I didn't know when to step in, when not to. It happens all the time. You always got to try to get the most out of your guest. That's my idea when I go into a conversation is, I want to talk to and we're going to talk to each other, but I'm just trying to get the most out of you. You know, I'm trying to encourage what you're saying, just like ask more questions. I'm trying to just genuinely engage with what you're saying and get the most out of you. The problem with a lot of people when they host things is generally like you want to talk. And so if you want to talk, you start talking. [2:43:02] And then sometimes you talk too much and then the guest doesn't talk enough and it's like it's a balancing act, but I always go into it with the intention of whatever this person's doing, like help them make it the best version of this discussion that I can provide. Okay. Yeah, no, I know what you mean about the, because you go on a new show. And the question is five minutes. Yeah. And you think, okay, well, that question glutes a lot of the talking points that you producers ask me to send to you. So, all right then. Okay, no, that makes sense. Those shows are so limited, man. It's a real problem because if this is how most people consume complex information, it's too limited. Just your explanation of all the shit that's going on with Gaza and Israel, just that alone. That had to take 15 minutes, right? Yeah. And you're making these like summaries that are easily digestible. [2:44:01] Well, yeah, and they'll say, okay, you got, you know, we got 30 seconds left. How are they going to solve the problem in Gaza? Jesus Christ! So crazy! It's just like that format of a limited amount of time to talk about complex things. Right. In this day and age it just doesn't really make sense anymore. But it's how people, I mean whether it's that or whether it's the, you know, I get my news from TikTok. I get my news from X, I get my news from X. I get my news from X. Yeah, that's the way to get it. Yeah, you think they're the gonna be the most honest. There's definitely, when you find out the difference between American TikTok and Chinese TikTok. Oh, good. Chinese TikTok's doing it right. It's all like science achievements, athletic performances, martial arts. Yeah, there that she regime would never let their youth get on American TikTok. You think you could be a dude given makeup tutorials and Chinese TikTok? They'll fucking find you. They'll find you. No, it's true. And so that's always the thing when I talk to my kids about it. And I always tell them, don't use TikTok. [2:45:01] Don't get on TikTok. They're gonna do it. They're gonna do it. They're friends. They're on it yeah everybody's on it it's crack yeah it is crack those kids are cracked out it's an incredible time suck which again they know right the Chinese regime knows they understand this but but think about tiktok in terms of its disinformation capabilities going into an election right and the white house has a problem right because the Biden campaign team has been using tiktok and at the same time they're trying to say we shouldn't use tiktok i think it's a danger it's a national security issue but we but we found it very effective for reaching the young market right and so there they have no grounds to stand on when they talk about a national security issue they got a problem they got to figure that one out again that's a not to get overly politically Good dance with the devil. Yeah, you made a deal with she, sorry. But if it's not she, yeah. That's a thing, it's if like this is little dance, and they can make you more effective and make your opponents less effective. That's a crazy manipulation of the way people think about things. And you don't think that that's true, [2:46:01] but it's just like what percentage of what side are you getting? If you're getting like 80% of your information, that's very specific to one ideology. That's not good for anybody. And kids aren't thinking about that. It's been a progression, right? It used to be from the daily show with John Stuart. That's where young people get in their news, right? Now they've aged out and now young people are turning to TikTok and they're getting their news and they're not thinking, okay, of course they're not thinking about it, then I think the Chinese regime is constructing this in a certain way. But of course they are and of course they understand the, and that's really the danger. People talk about the danger of TikTok as their ability to harvest personal information, right? And that's a problem to some degree. But the bigger problem is 170 million American users of TikTok being vulnerable and reachable by a Chinese regime that does not have our best interest at heart by any means, right? So that's the bigger issue, I think, rather than the harvesting of personal data, which Amazon and Google and everybody else [2:47:01] have it, right? They got all that shit. So it's not, you know, yes, it's a hostile regime and yes, they're harvesting your data, but I think it's more of the, I think it's more of the disinformation campaign and the potential for that that is the problem with TikTok. Because if you can't control, like, rather if you can control, if you can control exactly what percentage of stuff gets out. Like if someone, if you can limit someone's reach, like if someone posts something and it's some right wing philosophy and they post that and they immediately tag it as such and limit its reach. But then you take the other one and you expand its reach, whatever the the contrary position is and you promote it and you push it out everywhere. How much of an effect does that have on young people? Well, and that's and that's the whole point of the game anyway is to is is you know you're suppressing and you're promoting and and again you're doing it to an audience for the most part that is very vulnerable. Yeah, and so I yeah I'm I'm again, I don't know that they're going to ban TikTok. [2:48:07] Somebody's going to come in and view that as an opportunity by, right? And I think so, they will be able to sell it even though right now, by dancing, saying, absolutely not, we're not going to sell it, you know? I think they probably will, right? I don't see them banning it from you from app stores. So I mean, think about the angst that would create amongst the tweens and the teams. I think the fear is the language that's being used here, though, too, right? That this could be interpreted as the ability to censor other social media sites. Sure. Yeah, yeah. And that you really can't give the government that power, especially based on what they saw in the Twitter files. Yeah. You, you can't get certain press. Yeah, if you're if you're looking at suppress accurate information, because you don't like what you think that's going to do for an election, like that doesn't seem like you should be able to do that. This this seems like that's that should be that that's not good. Don't [2:49:01] do that. If you if you organization that is allowed to do that to all of social media by law, you're in territory that's real slippery now because it's just so ripe for corruption. And it always goes back to this, which you talked about before, which is this idea that, well, if one president can do this to another former president, then the next one goes, the next one goes, and it's the same problem right hey it may be sounds good to us right now to to censor something or to uh... suppress something but we're not gonna be in charge forever unless they figured that out uh... how they can be in charge forever it's so dangerous it's so dangerous that it's it's so ubiquitous it's so everywhere and you don't know how much of what people are seeing is being manipulated. Right, right. Well, again, not to beat a dead horse, but if people could take away one idea, it's incumbent upon you. [2:50:00] And whether it's for you or whether it's for the sick or your kids to be curious and to actually make the fucking effort to understand what it is that you're seeing and reading and hearing. And yes, it takes time and, you know, maybe it sounds daunting and you'd rather have the government do it, right? But that's not a good idea, right? I think it comes down to individual responsibility, like a lot of things in life. And I don't know that I'm optimistic about that as being the solution, but I don't see another way around it. I mean, we can detect, we can create apps to protect and be proactive. You can do all those things which are incredibly important. But ultimately, it comes down to the individual. And if they don't take it upon themselves, yeah, to go back to earlier point then, you know, we'll fuck. Yeah. Well, I have hope. Look at you, look at you. It's half full. I'm a half full kind of guy this day. [2:51:00] I feel like. That's because you got kids. It's also because I know that most people are good people And that I think people get swept up in madness and I think they get swept up in tribalism And that's a real problem with someone that says polarizing is Trump, right? Yeah, it's a real problem Because you have to accept the nonsense that Biden is okay. If you're on the left, both of them are like, they lock up like the fucking dolphins versus the Raiders and people get on teams, man. They're like, fuck the dolphins. That's what it is. It's just people get super fucking tribal. It's in our nature. We have to fight to avoid it. Yeah, and the more extreme that you get on one side and the more extreme the other side gets. And they, because they think, look, and again, you get this notion that I'm saving the country. One side or the other, right? Both sides, the hard edges of both sides feel like they're the ones that are trying to save the country. Yeah, and they have to win, just like they want the Yankees to win. Oh It's like it's really like that. It becomes the number one team. It's the biggest sport and [2:52:07] You know, that's why it's important to have a big personality. It's part of the whole stupidity of it all Yeah, and AI is gonna save us from that. You think that? Yeah, you don't believe that you know much better government It's gonna be much better government. It won't even be controlled at all by people Hey, but it runs on its own algorithm that it created after it realized the flaws in the way human beings are processing reality do you know what the u.s. government's trying to do right now then trying to get China and Russia to sign up to an agreement essentially an international treaty that would ensure that a i does not alone run nuclear weapons systems, right? And there's no treaty that prevents that right now. There's no treaty that prevents taking the humans out of that decision making process. Oh my God. So I mean, the Russians stayed during the Soviet Union days without, yeah. [2:53:00] So they're gonna be playing like some kind of crazy world war chess game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, super computers. Yeah, but right now the US is committed to this idea that we're not going to take the human out, but the Russians and Chinese have not. Then no one's gonna commit to that. Why would you commit to that? The best weapon of all time. You already said that these fighter pilots can't compete with these things that are AI controlled. That's nuts. It's a problem, I was about to say, there's a statement of the obvious. Top Gun 3 is fucked. What are they gonna do? Where's Top Gun 3 gonna do? I didn't see Top Gun 2. Well, you're on American sir. Did you watch it? I watched a little bit of it. Yeah. That was fun. It was fun, I was in in the mood locking my that vibration. I know I know I know It was fun kind of movie though. It was it was a one-time for me It was top gun was a kind of a one-time top gun was fuck yeah, it was a great movie. Yeah, it was great goose Yeah, yeah, but I will say I'm very impressed with Carl. He I haven't heard him snore. Yeah, he's kept it together today [2:54:05] Got he's a cute dog. He's the cutest. Yeah. All right, man. Anything else? No, man, I, it's officially I love the show. I love the show. I'm sorry about that, but I do. But again, we have hope. This is always a pleasure, man. I just, I love this and, and don't know if I've got enough to say in the time here. And you always take it someplace. Like the Kendrick Lamar thing, I still fucking worried about that. I hope to hug it out. All right, thank you Mike. I appreciate you people, bye. Thanks for watching!