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Christopher Dunn

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Christopher Dunn is the author of several books, including "Giza: The Tesla Connection," "Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt," and "The Giza Power Plant."www.gizapower.com

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All right, thanks for doing this. I appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome. I've enjoyed many of your videos online So I'm fascinated by these theories that you have and so I'm excited. I'm excited that you're here. Could you please first of all, could you tell everybody what your background is? What did you start off doing professionally? I started as an apprentice in a engineering company in Manchester, England. And I worked through the apprenticeship, received my Judgment papers, worked for a couple more years in England, and then I was recruited by an aerospace company in America and I'm a graded to America. And what did you do for this aerospace company? Well I started out as a late turner, that was my specialty. A what? A late-turner? A lathe-turner. Yeah. Right, so I was a lathe-hound, right? So I operated horizontal-lays, vertical-lays. In England, they had what they call them vertical-boring-mills. And in the states, you have to learn a different language right there. The cultural differences between, right? So you pick up different terminologies for things. Like they call over here, they call it vertical turtlath, in England they call it a vertical warring well. And so you're working with machines and when did you come up with this theory about the pyramid? Well, I'd been in the States for a while. It was, I came over in 1969 and in 1977 I picked up Peter Tomkins book, Secrets of the Great Pyramid. [2:08] And I started to examine that book. And one of the things that Tomkin's he asked of, a very significant question in that book, he said, does the Great Pyramid in trying to lost science? You know, is the Great Pyramid a product of that science. Does it reflect that science? And I took that question very seriously. And that question was in my mind as I read through the book. And then I started to explore some of the references that he provided in bibliography. One of them was the work of William Flinders Petri. He described Lades being used in ancient Egypt. He described very large, coreing drills up to 18 inches in diameter. And he also claimed that they were [3:12] using circular saws. When is describing this, like what kind of metal would they be using? Well, that's the thing. The question really demands that you explore all methods that you are able to, when you satisfy the historical record, say the archaeological record and you say, okay, I'm going to try this. Well, that's not going to work. That won't work. So we'll try this. We'll keep improving our methods and tools until we arrive at a solution to explaining the artifact. That's the important thing. That's [4:02] basically the demands on a manufacturing engineer, which I eventually became. So you know, a customer comes in and they bring a part to the company and says, I want you to make one just like this. What do we do? Well, we have to know what this is. And to do that, you take measurements. You determine materials, how it was manufactured. You look for tool marks to see what processes may have been involved in it, whether they were dies, whether there's machining marks in areas. whether there's machining marks in areas, you look at the welds, they weld some parts, they braze other parts, and then of course the geometries. And basically that's your model, that's like, okay, I'm going to make something just like this. [5:01] Right, but when you're making some, like if you're looking at say some of the stone work that was done the pyramid where there's Not in the pyramid, but in some of the quarries where you see these core drill holes, right? Like how would you reverse engineer that like how would you figure out what could possibly do that? Well, that's the interesting question and It's a it's one that's been a huge debate going on about that. It really goes back to 1984. And I published an article called Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt, question mark. And it was published in analog science fiction science fact magazine in August of 1984. So you've been at this long time? It's not before you were born. That was in high school. Yeah, you were. Yeah, it was junior in high school. I wasn't. So it was and you know Stan Lee Schmeer, Dr. Stan Lee Schmeer, who's the editor of [6:09] Analog, very respected editor, selected it for publication. We went through the editorial processes, yesterday changes and stuff like that. And then it went out. And so when you look at the core, the drill holes, the vases are another very fascinating and real gigantic mystery, how those were constructed. And we'll talk about those as well. Is that what it looks like, that's a model of one? But the core holes itself, we had a debate recently with Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble. And one of the things that Dibble had suggested was that they had done something with sand. And that was how they were able to do this with copper and sand and they were able to drill. [7:01] Does that make sense to you? Well, I mean, I've heard that theory about how they were done. And I know that there has been work done to prove that that theory is the correct one. But central to explaining at the actual core, if you go back and you read Petri, he described a spiral groove around a granite core. And he said that it had a pitch of 100,000 per revolution of the drill. And so that's what I was going on when I claimed, well, what kind of a process would you need to? Can I stop you there? When you say a pitch of a thousandth per... Yeah, for every revolution of the drill, it sinks into the granite a hundred thousand [8:02] subordinates. Okay, so because of that, you know that this thing has to be operating at a certain speed. Not necessarily rotational speed, but the penetration rate. So with each rotation, it will go how long, how far? A hundred thousand subanage, which is almost one eighth of an inch. So that's pretty impressive when you're talking about solid granite correct? Yeah. And that probably wouldn't be possible with copper and sand. No. It seems like sand and copper are just or not abrasive enough. No, I contacted a company I directed a company that specialized in drilling granite and I asked them how many, what is the feed rate? That 100,000 of an inch would be the feed rate of the trail. What is the feed rate of your drills when you're drilling into granite? And I got a response from him and he said, generally, you know, our drills, [9:11] the diamond, they rotate around 900 revolutions per minute and the penetration rate is about 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 500 times smaller than 100,000, so these drills that they use in Egypt were capable of drilling with each revolution, 500 times more than modern diamond drills that were used by people who cut into granite. [10:00] The penetration rate was 500 times. So it might have been operating a slower revolution, but when it's going through its full revolution, it's much more effective. That's what I concluded in the time. Now is this in multiple different drill holes or is it one individual sample that they found that seems to operate at this depth per revolution? There have been inspections on several different cause. And if they all yielded similar results? And they have all revealed that the groove is a spiral. In other words, it's a continuous spiral around the core. The most recent examination of those cores was in 2018 by two aerospace engineers, Eric Wilson and Josh Gehr. They asked the Petri Museum in London permission to examine the cause in their collection. [11:16] The Petri Corps number seven, which is the most famous core, and the one that has drawn the most heated kind of debate about. Can we see what that looks like, Jimmy? Can you find that one? Petri Court. Petri Court number seven. It's on that, uh... Yeah. Because this to me, and the Vases, obviously, and of course the construction of the pyramid itself. Right. They're also the symmetry of the faces. Right. There's so many things that are so mind blowing about whatever they did and how they did it. It's, it's, it's, I mean, forget about all the mysteries. Right. Just what we know in terms of, okay, so these are, these are these two core samples. These are these two cores. No, they're the same one. And therefore, lost [12:07] technologies of ancient Egypt. And essentially, what happened was, there was a book written, I think it was a 1999, it was by Chris Olgo, Beherald and Ian Lawson, and it's called Gees of the Truth. And so what they did is they had contacted or they had associates that went into the feature museum and examined the core to see if it was actually a spiral. So they took photographs of it and they examined those photographs and they said no, they're horizontal. Now there's a big difference when you talk about a horizontal groove and a spiral groove. And so I was like, okay, I suspend all assertions as far as the methods that I proposed for how it may have been done. [13:02] I need to go and examine that item myself. And so I booked a flight to England and I, a friend of mine in Cambridge picked me up at the airport, Nick Anis and we went to the Pitchermuseum and I examined the core. The method I used was to just wrap a simple cotton thread around it. So you just followed the groove with the thread? With the thread. But I was wearing... Rhyme to the gloves? Well, yes, I was wearing a rubber gloves, but I was also wearing a visor with lenses in it that gave 10 times. Oh, okay. So you could really see where the grooves are? Yeah, you would find, you would find, find those items in any tool maker's bathroom. So if the lines were horizontal, you would go around in a circle, then you'd have to cross [14:02] over the ridge to hit to the next circle. Yeah. But in this case, then you'd have to cross over the ridge to hit to the next circle. Yeah. But in this case, it was continuous. No, yeah, you know, I mean, it was continuous. Right. So it's, so how did they miss that? That seems like this is such an important piece of history, such a fascinating thing to examine. Look at this mystery. You have this granite core. Right. How do they do it? There's lines on it. Are they horizontal or are they spiral? And then they just go, it's a horizontal. And then you come along with string. And you're like, no, it's a spiral. Like how does someone screw that up? Yes, I mean, they would say that I screwed it up, obviously. But the thing is, Joe, is that when you're conducting research, anybody, whether you're a scientist or just a Joe Blow in the tool room, and you say, okay, this is what I found, and these are the methods I used, and these are the results. Okay? So you describe your experiment, and you're laid out, and you explain in detail how you [15:04] did it. Wouldn't with today's technology, wouldn't it be really easy to scan it? Well it is not, yeah. Yeah, and then they would, so have they done that? Have they definitively proven one way or the other? There, I don't think there is a really high quality scan that would be necessary. I mean I've've learned a little bit about scanning. It was just being introduced into manufacturing when I retired, just before I retired. We started to look into it and we bought this white light scanning system. But now... The system's now or so advanced. The system is now. And you feed it through AI. And you would feed it through AI and it would tell you exactly. Well, yeah, I mean, you basically you could slice it dice it, examine it any way you wish, but you need to have [16:02] qualified people to do it. Not anybody with that's not qualified, could I go in that? Right. So, either way, these cores and those drill holes represent something sensational, something absolutely amazing. Some 4,500 year old drill that somehow or another was more effective than drills that are being used today. Yeah, but you know the truth of the matter, don't you? What? It's probably... I wish you just tell me, though we know, that somebody missed mysteries. It's probably the most insignificant artifact I've looked at. You've looked at so much in Egypt. But to me, it's like a corner piece. Oh, people are freaking out over it. How could you? How'd that you? [17:02] I'm sure because it throws everything into flux because the assumption is they did this through intense labor over long periods of time and it took forever to do. Right. And if they're operating at a pace that's 500 times more effective than a drill that's used by a modern, but have you talked to other people that go into granite or are there more sophisticated drills that work better or more more powerful drills that work better than his? You know that the thing is and in manufacturing and this is a this is a fact you don't know the full scope of what engineers are capable of doing. Right. Because you're not in every shop, in every country, in every town, in the world. And so nobody knows exactly what all engineers are capable of. [18:03] There may be somebody actually reproducing the features on that, I'm not called somewhere, using some method. Right, you just don't know. You don't know. But from the person that you talk through that does it professionally that uses high level equipment, his drill was 500 times less effective. It was, the feed rate was less. The revolution could have been more. I mean, you said it earlier. I said, could it have been rotating slowly? It didn't have to spend very fast. In fact, it's better when you're machining hard material, grinding hard material, is that you don't, because heat is the biggest enemy of a tool. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. OK. So what do you think, if you had to guess, that they were using? I had actually created my own core, just to experiment. [19:02] And I learned a lot doing it. I didn't use the same method as some of the other researchers that were out there that did it. I had a copper tube and I had corundum. What's corundum? Oh, I say a very, very hard grit that you used to grind into hard material. So the copper tube would be flat at the bottom and then you'd put the grit in, the would act as right right and so you'd rotate it rotate it and you know I set up a Diego and tube and just ground it ground it ground it ground it just so that I could see the results of that. But one thing, they say the copper was the only metal that was available to the ancient Egyptians, but when it came to knocking out the core from the hole, I tried copper and it wouldn't budge it, so I had to use a steel chisel. [20:04] Is it possible that they use something else like heat? You know I'm actually leaning more towards that because of the difference of end-of-finity. Like if they poured boiling water in it or something would that loosen things? I don't think water would be it but the if you come back... The difference in the finish I'm sorry would you? But the difference in the finish, I'm sorry, would you? Yeah, I don't think it has been discussed enough or recognized to be important enough is that when you use a nebrasy, like sand or like emery or anything to grind out a hole or do whatever, you leave a sanded finish naturally. Polished. Not polished. Sanded. Sanded. Smoother. Is that what you mean? It could be smooth but it's definitely got a sanded finish. And what is the difference you have sanded finish in the finish of a diamond bit? Well we don't know if they were using the diamond bit but that's what they do today. [21:04] That's what they do today. So what is the difference between a sanded finish? Well, uh, and well, you still have the same thing. You're using an abrasive, right? You keep in the abrasive as cool as possible as you're as you're grinding away, but you're still grinding it. And so your finish is not going to be polished. grinding it. And so your finish is not going to be polished. Unless you have a secondary process where you go in and polish it with a fine grit. You don't start with the very, very fine grit because you won't get anywhere with it. Let's take a look at some of those holes. Jimmy, can you show us some of those holes, the drill holes in granite and ancient Egypt. So here we could see right here, which is absolutely wild. Some of these images, I mean that is absolutely wild. Right. I mean how the, how did they do that? Well that, that's what just about, this is like an engineer's playground over there. They go through there. Right. And for as an engineer you must be just like [22:02] scratching your head. Yeah fascinating stuff. Yeah, definitely. Jamie, click on that. Well, yeah, there we go. That's a good one. I mean, that one's wild. That is just absolutely crazy. That is it. It looks like it's an avigurab and it's in an alabaster. Have you ever measured the circumference of these things? No. If you measure the diameters, if you measure the, whether or not, their equal circles? Well, they are definitely round. The perfect, yeah. Perfectly round. I wouldn't say perfect. No. So absolutely. No, you can't say perfect. Right. Right. Of course. No such thing as perfect. Right. But they're round close enough to. And so this, these, wow, look at that that that is amazing. So these circular holes were definitely cut by some kind of a drill. That's agreed upon. Yeah okay. So if you couldn't do it with the copper like when you tried to do with copper how long did it take and how much how much results did you get? Oh, circular marks, man, that is crazy. There's a few days. [23:06] That spiral right there is absolutely nuts. I mean, it just clearly looks like a drill hole. Yeah, I think that's my photograph actually. Is it? I took that one. So how long did it take you to drill a hole? Probably, day and a half, two days. Day and a half, two days. Day and a half, two days and how deep was the hole? The hole was probably two inches, two and a half inches deep. Well, that seems like it's doable then, right? If you just keep doing it day after day, week after week, you get a big core. Yeah, and that's basically what everybody concludes. And that's basically what everybody concludes. The Egyptologists will conclude that they had all the time in the world to do these things. Wasn't the pyramid of Giza, the great pyramid, wasn't that supposed to be completed inside [24:01] of 30 years in that hypothesis? I've heard that anything between 10 years and 100 years. Yeah. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. It's just guesswork, right? Yeah. I mean, there's what is it? Two million, three hundred thousand stones. Right. And the heaviest ones in the base, like, what are the heaviest ones? Well, the ones that we know of in the Great Pyramid weigh up to 70 tons, and those are the the granite ones in the King's Chamber. So there's that. So there's the drill holes, which are just absolutely fascinating. And then this pottery, we'll talk about before we get to the whole what you think the pyramid is. So the pottery, like these vases, that you're seeing, I shouldn't say pottery. No, they're not. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. They're actually solid carved. And they're carved out of very hard stone, right? What is it, they're carved out of? Oh granite, die, right. Die granite, die. And, Ignatius rock. And the crazy thing is how well they're done and if you show it could you pick that thing up to show everybody? [25:07] The crazy thing is that it's not only perfectly symmetrical again Don't use the word perfect right because it's within what what with of a human hair well, you go It's some crazy. Yeah, yeah, like two and a half thousand or something like two and a half thousand of a human I really used one of these. Yes I have. All right, so measure the lip there. All right, see that? Yes, sir. Measure that and then turn it 90 degrees and measure it. Okay, so this obviously is not a real one. You wouldn't be letting me hold that. No, that is actually a 3D print. Right, 3D print. From the STL file. Right, but it's not real one. No, obviously no. Okay. It's a copy of the original. And so, so basically. So I'm measuring it here, and then I'm going to measure it here. So it's essentially exactly the same everywhere, right? Is that the idea? It's within about a thousand and a half. It's got a little bit of a chip in the top. Yeah, well, you don't. [26:06] Because that's how it was, right? Don't measure that. And so it's perfect. In, except up to what percentage of human hair again? I would say in chop talk, it's perfect. In chop talk, it's perfect. Yeah. But it's a human hair, two and a half, three thousand. So this is how you measured it all with this equipment? Well, this was a different, this was a... But the thing is, it's like you couldn't spin this on a potter's wheel. This is where it gets really crazy because of these handles. Now these handles are also carved into the vase. And people would say, what's the big deal about a vase? The big deal is these goddamn handles. That's a big deal. Because even if you just slowly and meticulously with the finest of craftsmanship spun this to a perfect accuracy just with like high grit sandpaper, you know, we're slowly over [27:00] time, made it perfectly round and you got so good at it that you get it within how much of a human air again? About a human hair. Okay, let's say it's a human hair which is pretty small. How the hell are you gonna do these handles? How are you gonna make these perfect too? There's another question that you need to ask to. How do you get the insight out? No. What? How do you measure it to be a sure that you within that human head? Right. What kind of equipment are you using? What kind of instruments do you use? Yeah. It seems like this would be a problem. Like, I don't think they had this. And if they did have this, they didn't have this part. How do you know? I don't know. I'm guessing. I don't know either. No. No. But we're thinking about what they had. We're not thinking about things like this. We really don't know. Well, obviously we don't know if we can't locate that drill. If you can't locate that drill, like the drill is real, the hole is real. If you can't locate an ancient Egyptian drill, so there's a bunch of pieces of pottery. And all of them have the same sort of similar measurement to them in terms of their perfection. [28:09] Actually, some of them is one, I think it's the most more precise than that one. Really? Yeah. They call it the spinner. I think it's that one at the front there. And we rotated that on the road tap at damville metal stamping and we staged it so that we were checking concentricity or run out all around. So we put an indicator in various places and then spun the rotary table to check the run out. And that thing, that one spin of A's blew me away. You know, when you're measuring a diameter, right? Just a straight diameter. [29:00] And you're checking the run out on a straight diameter. And you know, you have it, it okay that's within 2000s. You only have that one axis that is actually affecting the movement of the indicators that you're on the Decide of it on the crown not right to the top but just below it You're at a place where the movement in two axes Two axes is affecting the indicator reading So any error that you have vertically or horizontally they meet at the top. Yeah, it's going to gather an accumulation of error and run out. And how accurate is that one, the spinner? There is probably within 1,500. What does that mean? 1,000. [30:01] About half the thickness of a human hair. Half the thickness of a human head. Half the thickness of a human head. And one of the vases that's incredibly impressive is there's one with a longer neck and a lip on the top and then it bowls out of the bottom. Yeah, right. And it's again all carved out of granite somehow. Right, right. And how? How did they do to do that? Well, that's the thing. I think we see if I there's some other ones, Jamie. There's one of them that has like a longer neck. See if you can find it online maybe. Yeah, that seems to be stuck in a time walk where we're trying to come to terms We're trying to come to terms with how the pyramids were built without all these artifacts were built. Oh, okay. That's a nice posh cup. Can I keep that? Yes, sir. It's all yours. Cheers, mate. Thank you for being here. So continue? [31:01] So we're lost in history. So yeah, I mean, so we have competing forces. We've got on one side, you have practical engineers, practical scientists, and they want to, they want to measure everything exactly and regardless of what current theories prescribed how they were made, they want to explore other methods. However, on the other side, on the side of science, I mean, archaeologists or Egyptologists, they believe that if you're examining an ancient artifact and you're a modern engineer, that you have to work under the guidance of an archaeologist or an Egyptologist. Otherwise, your work [32:07] will not be recognized. That's weird. And that is happening. I mean, that's the fact. And they admitted. So that is the situation. They said, I think it's a systemic problem, because it is certainly not a way to do science. Well, and also they're not educated in those disciplines. Oh, Bingo, yes. I mean, absolutely. So they wouldn't be able to understand what's required to do that. Now, what the conventional explanation being some sort of copper and sand, if that's the conventional explanation, there's no evidence of any copper drills, correct? If you go to the Chirom Museum, they have a I think there's a tube that they describe small tubes that they describe as a [33:01] But nothing that can carve those large holes out of ground. Yeah, they're just going on the assumption that only copper existed during that period. And so that was the metal that was available to them. That was the metal that they used. The tubes that they have in the museum are these authentic tubes that were used on the site for something? I would have to go back and refresh my memory on that because it was quite a while before I looked at it. But the point is they don't, you know, like they have a replica of an ancient boat. They know the boats, they know what the boats look like. They don't have the actual drill. So whether it's something exotic that we didn't know that they had capability to create or whether it's what exotic that we didn't know that they had capability to create or whether it's what they think it is, neither one of those exist. They don't exist. Okay. No, I mean, nothing exists. Everything right now is theory. And so we're stuck in a bit of a time, welcome, we're stuck, it's between two disciplines. [34:04] So what is the reluctance of the archaeologist to accept the findings of the engineers if the goal is the truth? So if the goal is to figure out, instead of just having assumptions that you're gonna cling to as dogma as to what was done, wouldn't the goal be, let's find out what the truth is, what's capable of doing this? If they talk to enough engineers and especially enough people that actually carve into granted, then you would get an understanding of what we know today. This is the only thing that can do this. This is how it's possible. Yeah, and then you would try and reproduce the artifacts of the ancient Egyptians, or have produced, and then compare the results. That's what you have to do. You have to So the reluctances they Don't believe that the Egyptians had any more advanced Technology than what we assume they had which is pulleys and ropes and [35:06] Copper tools and sand and the like. Yeah, one would one would assume that you'd have to ask an Egyptologist and you may get a different answer depending on who you ask. I'm sure. Yes, sure. There's probably a lot more open-minded people coming up there. Well, yes, particularly in Egypt. Yeah. There's a tremendous kind of a quiet revolution going on in Egypt because you go where you feel like you're going to be welcomed. If you're not welcomed somewhere, you find someone. So when I put my workout and I was talking to people in the 90s on message boards, and I could see, I wasn't getting anywhere there. And I thought, well, okay. Who has the most to gain and who has the most to lose by opening this up and exposing everything, right? And getting it out in the open. Who has the most to gain if they come down on my side and who has the most to lose? [36:00] And obviously, those who have the most to lose, are the Western institutions who have written the history of the world and written the history of Egypt. And so I decided, well, I have to appeal to Egyptian engineers. And so in my second book, Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, I appeal, I put out a challenge to modern Egyptian engineers to go out and check the artifacts for themselves. And that's what they did. One man, one engineer, I don't know how many other engineers were involved, but also I'm talking to Egyptologist tour guides. And the message I'm getting is that the permit of tomb theory is pretty much underway out. The young people are being energized and looking at their artifacts in a different way. So the engineer that I took up the challenge is called Amid Adley. [37:12] And he followed my path. He went into the Serapim and checked all his huge granite boxes. He did a study of the statues. He presented the Giza Power Plant theory to physicist at Cairo University. And it's like, well, times are changing. So the Egyptian youth are taking all of the rains and they're excited about their future. You know, just recently there was a, there was a, there's like a STEM class. It was put on by now American University. [38:00] It was held at the Grand Egyptian Museum and there were over 200 students that took place. The professors and teachers of these students got amadadly involved to design experiments to talk about pyramids as energy sources, talk about the statues, symmetry, design projects that the kids could do. And even to the point of taking a slab of copper and trying to cut a brick using the old method just so that they could get a hands-on feel for what it was like. It's all very well to sit at home in your armchair and come up with a theory. [39:02] But if you don't go out and test it, then are you just going to buy it, wrote that, OK, OK, I have a respected professor tells me that this was done with copper chisels or copper slabs. And it's a well, if he says it, then he's got to be right, because that's what he's paid for. He's paid to teach the truth. What is the oldest known iron that we are aware of? Oh. In terms of steel. Yeah, that's that's a little outside my wheelhouse. I don't know. I won't be able to answer that accurately. Right, but they don't think that the Egyptians had it. Well, that was metal iron found in the Great Pyramid. There was. Yeah. I think it was Jordan Patriot Patriot's time, an engineer called pairing discovered an iron plate that was lodged [40:01] near the, near one of the shafts. Wasn't there also, didn't one of the farols have a dagger that was made from a meteorite? Supposedly, yeah, a meteorite kind, yeah. Okay, so. So how old is that? I don't know. And really, when you talk about, when you talk about the smelting of iron, you know, I mean, I think you had that discussion on with your, when, when Graham and, did we talk about that, Jim? Like when, and yeah, the smelting being, I could have been though, but I don't know. Let's find out what, what is the conventional date that they use today for the smelting of iron when they start doing that. I think the discussion was the appearance of lead and the size cause that were drilled. Oh, that's right. Industrial activity basically, what they were looking for. So 1200 BC. [41:02] Okay, the history of Ferrous, how do you say that word Ferrous Ferrous metallurgy began far back in prehistory most likely with use of iron for meteors There you go the smelting of iron bloom worries Is that it bloom worries? What do you say? I began at the 12th century BC in India Anatolia or the Caucasus iron use in smelting and forging for tools appeared in Sub-Saharan Africa by 1200 BC. So it could be that these pharaohs, the one that had the iron dagger made out of a meteorite, maybe that was later. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, two tongue common. Okay, so for sure it was. Look at that. Meteoric iron dagger. Wow. So that's 1334 to 1325 BC. Interesting. Well, that's earlier. That's earlier than they said people were smelting. Yeah, but they found it. I don't know when they made it. Yeah, but that's different. Right. But if it's Tutankhamon, that's his time. Yeah, but that eye came from [42:06] Mount Space. Right, so they could have hammered it into that position. So we know they're aware of it at least, at this at 1300 BC. We know they're aware of iron, but there's just no evidence of tools. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they knew what the metallurgy of these materials that they had found, but they had a material that they could shape and they shaped it into a dagger. But we don't know if they shaped it into tools or shaped it into some other things. This is what he says at the iron plate right here says it was unlikely that it was a byproduct of copper smelting operations. It was badly corroded. The outer layer of the iron have been badly corroded and now forms a standard iron oxide significant proportions of gold were found in one of the oxidized layers and the plate [43:01] may originally have been gold plated. New data coupled with the original archaeological information is strongly suggests the iron plate is contemporary with the building of the pyramid and that it is therefore one of the oldest known pieces of iron. Yeah, I think Patri described it as having a new malice that had somehow been deposited on the surface. So at least that's some evidence of iron in great pyramids. But you know, sorry, what iron was it smelted? Right. And it was the question. Did they have the capability of doing that? And when? Right. And when. Right. So it's just pure speculation as to what they use for the core. What is the conventional thought as to how they made these vases? I mean, there are demonstrations of crafting ancient vases. But I think this recent research and the discovery of the precision of them, which had always [44:07] been a question mark until just recently, people would go through the Cairo Museum or in any museum in the world and they would see these beautiful, finally crafted artifacts made out of igne he is rocking they look extraordinarily precise. And I've done that the same, the same. I mean I look at them and I was like wow I'd like to get one of those in my shop and just check it out, you know, quality inspection. And so for years that was a, for me it was like always a question. I loved to know how precise those vases are. And then in 2018, the owner of that original vase, Adam Young, he came on the tour. [45:02] And he befriended my son Alex and they were talking about the phases and Alex was a quality inspector, quality engineer, to the company that I worked at. Since he worked at another company in Indianapolis. Now I think he's working in the metrology lab at Rolls Royce in Indianapolis. Now I think he's he's a working in the metrology lab at Rolls Royce and Indianapolis. And so he's like, well, we should scan them. I'll do it, do an inspection. So Adam Brody's ways down to Indianapolis and to where Alex was working and he got permission from the managers at the shop to do an inspection of them. And it seemed like, you know, you talk to people, shop people, right? People who are actually out there every day making quality parts that people's lives depend on. You know, if you fly on an airplane and I told one of the other, there's another owner of Vase, he's got a lot of them [46:07] and I told him, I said, you know, you're carrying in your hand a lot, in fact, that is more precise than some of the parts that were installed in the engine that was on the plane that you flew with. That's me. And he's like, wow, okay, I mean, that's where you bring it home. And so all these guys who are making these artifacts, right, and they're held to exacting standards every day. They can't slip up. They can't make mistakes. You know, there's no fudging or faking anything. Otherwise you'll be out on your ear. People will be falling out the skies. Right. Right. So that's for those parts and these artifacts were more precise than that, which is just insane. Well, not all of them. I mean, there are parts in an airplane engine or aircraft engine that are more precise. I mean, features of the parts are more precise. And that's where, and could I, I want to explain something here, because I think it's a very, [47:11] very important point. And it has confused something for your car, you know, say a crankshaft or something like that, right? Take a crankshaft, it's got very precise features on it and then there are features that are not so precise because they don't need to be. It all depends on what the customer requirements are. So they don't build precision or require precision in a product where it's not needed. That just makes it more expensive. [48:08] But now you have people who are looking at some of these artifacts like the boxes in the Serapim, and they are finding imprecise areas of the boxes. The photograph of me inside one of those boxes with a toolmaker's precision square. There's nothing simpler, right? You take a square, you stick it out, and you check to see if it's square. The surface is flat, is it square? Yeah, that's fine. And now you've got guys going around on the outside of the box and finding inaccuracies, some areas inside boxes that have inaccuracies. And now they're calling me a liar. They say [49:02] that I faked and fudged measurements. Right, it's like, I don't know, the council culture they want to get away from. What is there, the beef? You used a square and you measure things and you found them to be precise. And I said, holy shit, look at this. And what are they using? Before, before me. What what are they using? Before me. What equipment are they using that's showing that your equipment, what your measurements are, were inaccurate? They are not. They don't go to the area and show that the area that I was checking is imprecise. They will find some other area that is less precise, point to that and lead the viewer to believe that that defines everything. Right, so everything is not precise, but much of it is. [50:02] Yes. Okay. And the areas that aren't necessary to be precise, like the outside of the box are not as precise as the inside. So are we saying? They don't have to be. Right. They don't have to be. So when it comes to precision, like the precision of the faces, for instance, and some of the sculptures, what is the conventional explanation for how precise they are? Because these are massive faces that were supposedly carved by hand, but the accuracy on either side of the face is so phenomenal. Yeah. Like bizarrely so, like how accurate? Well, exactly. We don't know. But as far as the methods that I used, which is like 2D photography, and then comparing features in the computer for symmetry and some geometric features. Nobody had done that before. And so I [51:10] come along, you know, I said, wow, this is, actually, it kind of hit me. It was my first time I went to Egypt and I was at Tsakar and I was looking down the length of the statue of Ramsey's at the OpenM Museum there. And they said, well, those denostrels are extraordinarily symmetrical. I mean, they match, right? And most people's nostrils are different, if you look at them. And so, yeah, that's my photograph. That's my photograph. There's the measurements on each side. They're exact. Yeah, they're very exact as I could make it. But, you know, I qualify the work that I did by saying this is not the final answer. [52:00] There needs to be more sophisticated measurements taken, more accurate measurements taken. They need to be scanned. And then they need to be analyzed where you have a precise scan where you're not trusting your eyes, you're actually trusting the tried and true development of laser scanners. But at the very least, the amount of symmetry that exists in these massive statues is spectacular. It's blind blowing. I can't even express it. It's absolutely blind blowing. You look at the one with the... How large are these that we're talking about? Um, well, the one that I measured was, uh, the first one was at the Luxorm Museum, and it's out outside. I would say it's probably four feet or something. [53:04] But there's very large ones too. Just like the face and the head dress. There are large ones, yes. I think the one that was taken from the Ramaceeam and is now in the British Museum was a large statue. How big was that? I think, well, they say that the statues, the statues at the Ramisee were up to 1,000 tons, I'm not sure, but they're really big, really big. 1,000 tons. Look at that. Well, I want to say, yeah, 1,000 tons, but I would say they were extremely heavy. Now, what is the conventional speculations to how the symmetry was achieved? I've heard different ideas where you take a mirror and then you kind of match it to, [54:01] you know, when you guide your hand and another one where you take a pointer and you set a depth and then you transfer that from one side to the other. And those are, you know, I mean, I don't know anybody who is a precision manufacturer who would accept such an explanation. And really at the end of the day, you have to say, okay, well, show me and we'll match, you know, he'll show me and we'll check yours and compare it to the original. That's the only way to solve the problem. And so this is just one example of one of the mind-blowing mysteries involved in this culture that they had some kind of capability of not just doing that and not just making [55:03] the vases but also making the pyramids themselves, which are beyond comprehension. It's huge. I mean, you know, the thing is that you have, I don't think, not all engineers think alike, right? But I've never been with an engineer who has examined this subject from Ben to Egypt that is not absolutely blown away by what they're seeing. And I'm saying, no, you can't do it by hand. You can't hold those kind of tolerances by hand. You look at the Ramsey statue, and you look at the symmetry. It's not two-dimensional symmetry. I mean, I was just measuring a two-dimensional photograph. It's not two-dimensional. It's three-dimensional. So that radius that you see going around the jaw line is moving in three axes, x, y, z. [56:03] And you're still coming up with a radius. Perfect radius. Crazy. No. Yeah. And so let's go to the pyramid itself. So you have a very fascinating hypothesis as to what the pyramid or theory, as to what the pyramid actually was. And it's based on where the supposed King's Chamber is, where those passages go through into it. And what do you think that thing was? Well, my first book pretty much describes what I thought it was in 1998, which was a power plant. The book is entitled the Geese of Power Plant. My second book is evolved and I describe it as an electron harvester. So, you know, it's kind of like you could describe it as both, but today, when you do, or people at any decade, they [57:12] think of a power plant and they see these huge chimneys with, you know, smoke stacks. Or a new plant. Yeah, or a new plant, you know, power plant, and thirds, e-, nasty, unclean. But an electron-harvester, clean, pollution-free, not a problem. Has that been achieved conventionally? I mean, today, is there a thing called an electron-harvester? I think that actually, when you look at a generator, that's an electron harvested because we don't create electrons. We just harvest them. It's just how we do it. And so, you know, when you say an electron harvested, you could say that, you know, say a [58:01] wind generator. You have a windmill. You have a generator inside it and then you collect an electrons off the commutator in a generator and that's where the electricity comes in. And that's where that's your electricity. Right, or hydroelectric, you use the flow of the water. Yeah, you don't create the like you just release them. You harvest it from a process. Yeah, obviously. Through a process obviously through a process and the process that you think they use in the great pyramid involve those shafts It involves a lot of things. Yeah, it's not just one single thing is the system Not not a single thing so when you look at we show a photo of that do we have a photo of The pyramids and the shafts and where the King's Chambers were you I know you've described this before Mm-hmm. Do you have a photo of I do I? I certainly Okay, this perfect is this works so it works So these names the King's Chamber and the Queen's Chamber you don't think that that's actually a King's Chamber or Queen's Chamber [59:04] You think it's something else? Well, out of respect to the Egyptians, I call them. Call them, yeah. Okay. But I do have a different terminology for them as they function. Now, the initial surface of the Great Pyramid is covered in smooth limestone, right? So it's polished and shiny, and apparently it would collect insane amounts of light. The, well, the outer surface of the great pyramid mostly is messing, but it has been described as, if it was finished and depending on the polish that it received, yeah, it could, it could reflect a lot of light. Do you think that that had something to do with the design of this power plant? I don't think there's any power to that pyramid that did not serve a practical function. [1:00:04] Okay, so this is the image that you have here. And what this image shows us is the King's Chamber, the various shafts, the southern shaft, the northern shafts, and these shafts have been described as portals to stars because people have looked up through there and you go through the shaft, you see stars, but what you're saying is something entirely different. What do you think these shafts were for? Well, I think they serve two different purposes. Actually four different purposes, if you will, because in the theory that I propose, which is, I don't know, it's a speculation, but there it's, well, the whole process is kind of like a heuristic process where you're grabbing information, you're moving ahead, it doesn't matter what source you get in it from. Because when you are looking for answers, [1:01:03] you look everywhere, you try and find, you look everywhere. So when I was going through the process of trying to figure it out, I was collecting information from memory. And for the southern shaft and the northern shaft of the Queen's Chamber, that was a huge mystery to me. southern shaft and the northern shaft of the Queen's Chamber. That was a huge mystery to me. And I tried to fit it into what were they doing? I mean, if you look at the details, the facts of their design and what the ancient Egyptians were doing, why they designed them that way. You have two conduits coming into a chamber, but they're not connected to the chamber. And we didn't even know they existed until 1872 for Wamen Dixon. Show me that image again, please. [1:02:02] So they're coming into the chamber, but they don't enter into the chamber. They stopped. They're original, they're original design had the shafts ending five inches before coming into the chamber. So you had like five inches of limestone that was left in the block. So did someone remove that limestone? Yes. Why did they do that? Wayman Dixon, because they were examining the chamber and they were poking around. And Wayman Dixon, it is reported, so the legend goes, noticed a crack in the wall. And so he took a rod and pushed it through the crack. And the rod, he didn't meet any resistors, he kept going. So he had his worker come in, Bill Grande with a hammer and chisel, [1:03:00] and say chisel, chisel the limestone around that. People stupid. So they did, yeah, they didn't have ultraviolet I'd say chisel chisel the limestone around that people stupid Well, they they did yeah, they didn't have ultrasonic thickness No, but still god damn to have the arrogance to go and chip away at the pyramid Well you look at look at how it you know I Don't care for revisionist historians because you know you have to consider What people were doing and their mindset in the day. And then I try to look at the on the bright side, right? Like I don't look at it as a negative thing because if somebody hadn't opened up those shass, we wouldn't know about them. Right. And it's the same with the chambers above the King's chamber. Without how it was what, how it was advised and his military expedition blasting his way up into the pyramid. We wouldn't know about them either. You won't be able to, I mean, there's a lot there, I think there's a lot there right now. [1:04:01] And it's been investigated now, but there's things that have been revealed through scanning, like moogography, the scam pyramid project. They found that large void above the Grand Gallery. Right. And so, you know, which is larger than the King's Chamber, right? It's longer than the King's Chamber, yeah. And so that's not even represented here on this. It's about the size of the cabin on a Boeing 707. Wow. So if these shafts came through and then they met limestone at the end, what do you think was going on? In order to answer that question, I had to look at the rest of the pyramid. What was it doing? And how was it functioning? And so one of the key pieces of evidence that I used to propose a process that was going on is the Northern Shaft. [1:05:12] And the Northern Shaft has dimensions and has an appearance that is similar to a wave guide that you would use for microwaves. And the dimensions of it would be approximate wavelength of hydrogen. It's plain a wave guide? How does that work? Yes. It's like a wave guide is to transmit microwaves. Electromagnetic energy in the microwave region. And it is passed more efficiently through like a tube or waveguide. That's what they use. I mean, they're very complicated systems. [1:06:04] And so how did this represent in your mind what a waveguide looks like? Actually, you know the idea of a waveguide came to me from a guy. We were talking about the pyramids and I was I a, I used to carry a schematic of the great pyramid in my back pocket. And I, me, the engineer, and I go, hey, hey, come here. I just start going through. So what do you think about this? Because I was looking for answers, suggestions, brainstorming, anything, right? And it's like, so these shafts are right here and he looks at it and he was into electronics, electronic engineering and he's like, hmm, they look like waveguides to me and I thought, well, that's interesting. They look like waveguides. Okay. What if [1:07:00] they are waveguides? How do they function? I mean, what would they use for? What would they use in waveguides for in ancient Egypt? And so I started to go down that rabbit hole. And that led me to the Queen's Chamber. And I'd say, OK, waveguides, you need a medium. You need microwaves to go through a waveguide. What frequency of microwave was it, right? And you look at the dimensions and you come up with a match for hydrogen. How do you do that? How do you come up with a match for hydrogen through the dimensions? Yeah. Yeah. The wavelength of hydrogen is 8.309 inches. And the width of the northern shaft is 8.4 inches. And a waveguide generally has the wavelength and then about half of the wave length in height. [1:08:09] So it's a rectangular shaft. Just like all the shafts. And the, well, the, yeah, the Queen's chamber shaft is a little more squared than the King's chamber shaft. So did a different function? Different function, yeah. So these wave guides, you believe what are they connect collecting and where are they getting it from? Good question Joe. They had we are bombarded with microwaves every day. I mean it's the signal from they say the big bang and you know there's a attack that comes from a Tommy hydrogen out in the universe in outer space. So we're being bombarded and you believe that this passage is collecting this. Yeah so anyway so then you say okay if we build a device and we say, and we want to energize hydrogen, [1:09:08] we bring it to a higher energy state and just like in a laser where you have microwave amplification through stimulated emission. So if we want to collect energy that is in a gaseous medium, say that it's hydrogen medium, and the electrons in the hydrogen are pumped up to a higher energy state, and we want to collect the energy in that, introduce a microwave signal, direct it through that gas and stimulate the emission of the energy, collect that energy and chew it up the sudden shaft. And so that was like, okay, that might work. So what kind of gas? Hydrogen. And so where are you getting the hydrogen from? Queen's chamber. [1:10:00] So there's hydrogen in the Queen's chamber and how does it get in there? The shafts. But they doesn't command as hydrogen. That's the parent of the theory in the geyser power plant. There are two chemicals that are introduced into the chamber and the chemicals mix and they boil off hydrogen. And these chemicals are just coming from the radioactive waves of space? No, no, no. The chemicals, I believe, are manufactured and delivered to those shafts and coming. Okay. So they add some sort of chemicals to it. And what function does the limestone have at the end that keeps it from going into the King's Chamber and keeps it blocked off? Well, to answer that question, I was having a chat with a civil engineer who was putting in a septic system for me and so with a leech field. [1:11:04] And he was doing a percolation test, right? This is an Indiana. And Indiana is known for its fine limestone. His name was Roland Dove, a city engineer, and I asked him, I said, well, what do you do? How does this function? If you are in an area where there's not much topsoil, you scrape away maybe a foot of topsoil and then you're on the bedrock. What do you do then? And he said, well, if you are limestone is permeable and basically you follow the same steps that you would as if you were dig it into earth, you know, just dirt. You dig a hole, you cut a hole in the limestone and you determine how quickly the water would disperse or would actually seep out. [1:12:10] And I was like, wow, okay. So the wine stone acts as a filter? Not a filter. Well, it would have filter, yes, but definitely the water would not just stay there. Right, it would go through it. But it would go through it at a certain rate. And I said, okay, let me ask you this. How do you determine the flow rate? How would you determine the flow rate of a column of water, right, going through limestone. And he said, well, that would depend on the head pressure. How much pressure? What weight is pushing against the limestone? Right. Right. And I go, huh, okay, that's interesting. So then I go back to the drawing boards, I go back [1:13:06] to my blueprints of the Great Pyramid and I'm looking at the southern northern shaft of the Queen's Chamber and I see that they both of these shafts go up to an area that nobody knows where it goes. At that time, when I was doing research, nobody knew where they ended. But I was thinking, well, if they are feeling a chemical, they would need to be assured that they can maintain a particular head pressure. That would be calculated the weight of the column fluid. Essentially, as these are on an angle, calculations may get a little more complicated, but you would [1:14:04] figure it out or you could do it by trial and error. But not all the evidence was in to really kind of solidify that theory, right? It's like, okay, I've got this much data. This is what I'm working with. There's a lot of unknowns, I don't know. So what do we do? And then in 1993, a German engineer, Rudolf Gantanbrink, he was invited to Egypt, and he was working under the German mission in Cairo, and he had permission to\u2014or they wanted him to actually examine\u2014get a row about examine all those [1:15:01] shafts that both the King's Chamber and the Queen's Chamber, actually no, mostly the King's Chamber. They wanted to ventilate the pyramid, and so they wanted to make sure that the shafts were clear and that when they installed their fans, that there won't be any obstruction. And so he built a robot to go through these clean the shafts out and then install fans in the King's Chamber. But he'd always been a mystery in the, as far as the Queen's Chamber shafts, where did they end? Oh, but he knew. Nobody had explored them now. So he proposed that they allow him to build another robot and examine the shafts in the Queen's Chamber, which he did that. He had a robot they called it Upoi-2, which means the opening of the ways. Right. And so with his robot, he had a tether behind it and a camera lights and it crawled its way. [1:16:16] It was like a track vehicle. And there was a mechanism for the upper track that caused it to grit the ceiling and it was able to climb up the shaft and they were looking for where it ended. And they found where it ended. After a few kind of obstacles, one being what he called a tank trap, which was like a depression in the floor of the shaft, about a drop of about two inches, which is another story entirely. I don't think the full truth of why that is there has been figured out yet or explained, but they're working on it. [1:17:06] And so his robot, when it got so far up the shaft and they discovered that there was a block at the end of the shaft and through the block are two metal fittings. Metal. What kind of metal? We don't know. So a person hasn't gone up there and gotten a sample of it, so that's not really known. It's just don't I don't know so a person hasn't gone over there and gotten a sample of it So I don't really know it's just published. I don't know there's some kind of metal fans They assumed that they were copper and how far is it from the outside edge of the pyramid? Well, you do ask a more good question. I don't have that information in front of me But I would say that if you are wanting to reach the end of the, well, that's other shaft is, the shortest route that you could take would be through a horizontal passage that goes directly out to the outer surface of the great pyramid. Just a horizontal passage. [1:18:06] Going up, going down, and going up. Can I see the image again, please? So what we're looking at when you're seeing the shafts. Oh, I'm sorry. No worries. We're helpful with that part or do you want the whole thing? I want to see what it looks like on the outside. Yeah, that one. Yeah. So, so say it again. What would be the best way to access it? Yeah, I mean, if you go to the end of the shaft and just have a short, a horizontal shaft going or passage going out to the, going out to the outer face, you would have a shore to distance and if you went up or down, that would be the ideal place to have access to it. [1:19:01] But it doesn't go, this makes it look like it goes all the way to the outside edge of the pyramid. That's not the case. Well, the Queen's Chamber like it goes all the way to the outside edge of the pyramid. That's not the case. Well, the Queen's Chamber shaft. No, the King's Chamber shaft. Well, the King's Chamber shaft does go to the outside. It goes all the way outside. It goes all the way to the outside, yeah. And so the Queen's Chamber shaft, it stops quite a bit before the outside edge of the pyramid. Right. So both of them function in a different way. Yes. And so you feel like in the King's Chamber shaft that something was poured in some kind of chemicals was poured into those chambers. Queen's Chamber shaft. Queen's Chamber shaft. Yeah. But not the King's Chamber. Not the King's Chamber. Okay. So the Queen's Chamber shaft, what is the difference and why do you think that there was chemicals poured in that and not into the King's Chamber? Because the Queen's Chamber was a reaction chamber. That's where the hydrogen was produced. The hydrogen filled the interior spaces of the great pyramids, which included the King's [1:20:01] Chamber. And then through the action, different actions, whether it be the frowned effect, which we can talk about, and that's the release of electrons from the lithosphere, or the accumulation of vibration, or the collection of vibration. vibration and how it was centered or focused into the King's Chamber, it created a highly energized atmosphere. So, have they found access to the northern and southern shafts in the Queen's Chamber? To the shafts. They found access where the Egyptians would have been able to port chemicals into those. No, not yet. Not yet. No. But they have found something that's not represented represented on this image. Another chamber, right, which is more recent. Right. I mean, the my my new book has updated images in it to describe that what is what [1:21:07] updated images in it to describe what is what new has been discovered. And that new chamber is above the King's chambers, correct? It's actually above the grand gallery. Okay. And it kind of wraps around or is close to the northern shaft. That's an interesting place for it to be too, which prompted my research associate Eric Wilson, who is an aerospace engineer, to suggest that that actually feature, feature if it is what he thinks it is would complete my theory because it would serve as a preamp for the microwave. So the microwave, he said that was the thing that was missing in my theory was that I didn't, there was no preamp. So is there an image that we can look at that shows where this [1:22:02] new chamber, the newly discovered, I should say chamber. Can I take a break? Yes, sure, sure. I need to go, Lou. Yeah, absolutely. We'll be right back. All right. So you were just discussing the chambers and how you believe fluid was in the shafts of the queen's chamber and that it somehow or another created hydrogen with these chemicals. How is the microwave going through those chambers if it's blocked off from the outside? Is it penetrating through the stone? Well, it doesn't go into the queen's chamber, so that's through the king's chamber shafts, which are open. Okay's through the king's chamber shafts which are open. Okay, so the king's chamber shafts is what's collecting the microwaves. The queen's chamber shafts have the what you believe some chemicals in there. Right. And then what is happening with those chemicals? They're mixing and barley off hydrogen. Okay, so they're creating hydrogen. [1:23:03] Right. And what is the function of the space in those shafts? Is that help the chemical process? Is that what it is? The space in the shafts. Where they're filling them up with liquid? Oh yes, that is the that is predetermined to make sure that they may t maintained their head pressure. The fittings are the metal fittings. I describe as switches, like fluid switches. So when the fluid or the chemical was covering those metal fittings, I call them electrodes, there would be a closed circuit. When the fluid level drops, it would open the circuit and signal the lead for more chemicals to be pumped in. [1:24:00] In order to maintain the head pressure, in order to make sure that there is an accurate supply of that chemical. And so that chemical would pull up inside of the Queen's Chamber? That it would probably, yes. I mean, there's a lot that is missing from the Queen's Chamber. You have a niche in the East Wall. We don't know what that was for. I suspect that it had something to do with, they may have been an evaporation tower or something like that where the chemicals may extend, wicked up through some materials and maybe it was dried. Can you show me the image again please? Yeah. And so here we have, so there's the chemicals that are in the shafts. You have the queen's chamber, which is collecting the hydrogen. And then what happens into the king's chamber? [1:25:05] Oh, while land is going on, the King's Chamber is vibrating in sympathy with the earth. And it has, it has become, it is actually a coupled oscillator with the earth. How so? How does that work? Well, a couple of oscillators is a device that's attached to a larger vibrating device and is in sympathy with the Earth. What is causing the King's Chamber to vibrate? The passage of vibration through the pyramid. Of the Earth. of vibration through the pyramid of the earth, of the earth, which is assisted. It's coupled by using what I call a tesla device in the subterranean chamber because you've got three, [1:26:01] four, you've got several systems in there, right? So if you've got the subterranean chamber, that serves one function. You go up to the quiz chamber, that serves another function. You go up to the kings chamber, that serves another function. And in between you have the grand gallery, the ascending passage, the descending passage, all of these things are there for a reason. And so the subterranean chamber, how do you think that worked? I, I, I would speculate that and actually if you, if you read, uh, Teslas and some of his writings, he suggests that, uh, with, uh, a very little energy, you could build a device that imparts energy or thrusts into a structure. And if it is in harmony or the exact frequency with that structure, [1:27:02] it could bring the structure down just by an accumulation of energy, of vibration. The amplitude would keep, and if you kept pounding it and pounding it, pounding it eventually it would all come down. I mean that was, that's why they instructed soldiers when they were on the march to break step when they cross a bridge Because that steps might Cause the bridge to oscillate and destroy it's a very destructive force is the this You know frequency or Oscillating vibrations so what would caught what kind of device in the subterranean chamber would do that? He built a device that delivered thrusts and powers. It was electromagnetic earthquake machine, it's called, right? [1:28:01] Mm-hmm. You could do it with electro mechanical, you could do it with electro hydraulicmechanical, you could do it with an electro-hydraulic or anything. But you have to be able to time the action. And so, okay, you think of it like you've got, you're going to device, you're going to sell under, you've got a shaft coming out of it, and you've got a hammer, or you've got a copper pad, or whatever at coming out of it and you got a hammer or you got a copper pad or whatever at the end of it and you design it so that that shaft is going to push out at a particular frequency. Like a pest boom, boom, boom, boom. And so you put it again and say structure, that structure has a natural frequency, all structures do. You might hit one with a fist and don't think it would resonate at all, but if you go the first strike may impart enough energy to move something maybe a couple of angstroms, [1:29:08] right? And so it's like very, very binding movement. The next one will move it a little more, then you just keep pounding it. Just keep pounding it. And as you pound it, the oscillations become bigger, the amplitude becomes bigger, and if you keep doing it, you can bring the whole thing down. So the key is to do it at a rate that is able to utilize the hydrogen? Well, at this point, hydrogen has nothing to do with it. I mean, this is just a totally separate subsystem. It doesn't care if there's hydrogen in the pyramid. But this is the subsystem exists to vibrate the king's pyramid. Just to connect the pyramid with the yeah. Right. Okay. So it's vibrating the pyramid. Yeah. And the the hydrogen in the queen's chamber now it makes its way into the king's chamber. [1:30:11] Well yes I mean it flows up through the grant along the horizontal passage through the Grand Gallery and up into the king's chamber. So all this is connected. So the hydrogen goes up, it goes in the King's Chamber, which is a phenomenal structure. Carved out of granite from 500 miles away, massive stones, the biggest stones in the pyramid, correct? Right. And so what happens with the vibration of the pyramid through this thing that's connected to the earth and subterranean chamber, constantly hitting, boom, boom, vibrating, the hydrogen flows into the great chamber, the great, the king's chamber, or the king's chamber is vibrating, and then you have these shafts that come from the outside of the king's chamber into it. [1:31:01] So what's happening there? Okay, well let's go back to the subterranean. Subterranean. Right. Okay. And let's talk about not what happens in the pyramid, but what is happening in the earth. Okay. And this is where we introduce Tesla technology. And also the work of a NASA physicist called Friedman-Froind. Just keep that thing up there, Jim. So Friedman-Froind has done a research on earthquake lines. And his objective was to try to determine if we could detect or we could have an early warning system for earthquakes. And he was using NASA satellites to survey the Earth and to observe for where when earthquake [1:32:00] lights show up. And his theory, it's not really a theory, it's a scientific fact, is that in the minerals in igneous rock, you have these positive charge carriers. When they are stressed, they will shoot to the surface. And the positive charge carrier, they call them holes, he describes it as a new physics, but it's kind of related to semiconductor physics, which is a little above my head. But still, he's talking about releasing electrons from deep within the earth and those electrons when they're stimulated To move they move very very quickly through the pyramid I mean through the earth and and they seek the highest point On the surface of the earth so you have Tesla on one side and he's saying that if you could put a [1:33:10] like an earthquake machine and just drive you know frequency into the planet you might be able to release the stresses in the earth's crust and also reduce the possibility of an earthquake. I'm not saying eliminated entirely but at least you would relieve some pressure. Yeah you would relieve some pressure. And so you know with with that it's it becomes you put in these little bits of disparate information together and you combine them and you say, oh, maybe there is something here. I think, you know, the biggest discovery, which is not talked about very much, is a freedom of friends discovery of the physics behind earthquake lines. [1:34:11] And he actually experimented in his lab. He has a YouTube video with him, he explains it a lot better. Do you want to pull that up and watch it? Well, we could, but it's probably as we'll get flagged. Oh, okay then. He uses YouTube video. Oh, okay. All right. So for those, you know, listening, you can search freedom and fraud and just fraud, F-R-E-N-E-F-R-E-U-N-D. And Ted Xtalk in Christchurch, New Zealand. It's an excellent video. Okay, explains it. So something is happening in the subterranean chamber. [1:35:02] Yep. And this something is causing the pyramid and the earth around it to vibrate. Mm-hmm. And how is that affecting the hydrogen and how is that affecting what's happening in the king's chamber? Okay, so you have a combination of, you got two different kinds of energy now flowing through the great pyramid. You've got electro-magnetic energy and also got mechanical energy. Right. Okay, so you've got the mechanical energy of this thing that's striking. You have the passages that are filled with chemicals that's causing the accumulation of hydrogen. The hydrogen is making its way into the king's chamber and then what is the function of these passageways that go into the king's chamber from the outside? Well the northern shaft carries a microwave signal. That signal passes through a amplifier and then the signal enters into the chamber and collects the energy that has been accumulating in [1:36:11] that space. It's like a laser, amazing. So the chambers are collecting microwave energy from space. It's going through them and it's going, excuse the passageways rather, it's going into the chamber which is vibrating and it's filled with hydrogen. So what is this reaction that happens when these two things meet? Okay, the action of that is the same as a laser where you have the introduction of a photon in a laser, right? That photon passes through an energized medium where the electrons are pumped to a higher energy state, then the [1:37:05] that full-town collects another full-town, and then another one, and it just builds and builds and builds and builds. But it does it at the speed of light, obviously. And so that's why when you say you have a laser point, that process is what happens before it. But before you before the light appears on your on your slide or whatever you press the button and it's kind of instant, right? But there's a lot been a lot going on since when you when you press that button to create that laser light. I see. But it just happens. It's just so fast. Right. So this King's Chamber, when it has the hydrogen in it, you have the electrons, you have the vibration of the thing, you have the microwaves coming in. What do you think? So you have microwaves coming in, but then you have power output. [1:38:01] Power output. Yeah. So the power output is the the Southern shaft and This is where you there's another piece of key evidence Jamie could you show the slide that shows the opening of the Southern shaft, please? It's crazy that this makes sense Well It's crazy that this makes sense. Well, I'm sure I was trying to get, there's a bunch of slides in here that are really interesting, but we haven't got to them yet. Well, we got time. We'll get to those. What it said, you know, I don't know about me. You're doing great. I made pass out. Have a look at the coffee. There's the Northern shaft, but I don't know. Oh, that's the coffee here. There's the Northern Shaft, but I don't know. Oh, that's the Northern Shaft. OK, wait a minute. Go to the newer slides. I think there are better images on those. Yeah, these were created back in the day. OK, hold on. Go. Nothing's that selling now. See, OK, here. Just stop here, OK? [1:39:01] OK. All right, so my first book, I didn't have a really accurate description of the Northern Chef, okay. And so since then, we got the CAD drawings of Rudolph Gantanbury when he did an examination. And he did a great, great job, measuring everything, every angle, distance, all the way to the outside. And so this is taken from his CAD drawing, and I just kind of made it a little more striking clear or people could understand the complexity of that shaft and also to point out some of the details that are pretty mind-blowing. You have four two, three, four. Before it goes into the King's Chamber. Now where is that opening? It is [1:40:12] at the quarter wave location and in a resident cavity, the highest amplitude could be found as a quarter wave. So it's like if you've got a standing wave in a resident cavity, it's the quarter wave. So the quarter of the distance along the length of the cavity, that's where you would be. Right, okay. But the other thing is, and this is, this information of course is common. I've been, I've talked to people who worked on Wade Guides, Eric Wilson is very familiar with them, and he did a study of a Gantan brings drawings, [1:41:01] and he said, yeah, there's this, and he's pointing out different unusual features in the shaft that seem to appear in the design of modern wave guys, because you have changes in dimension. You have these steps. There is a bump in an area. And it's all to kind of massage manipulate the beam as it comes into the pyramid. But then when it comes to entering into the king's chamber, they go through four bends. They say that's to be able to correct the beam so that when it does enter the pyramid, it is coherent and it goes in straight. Wow. So it's literally how you would design it? The other thing, yeah. The other thing is that the, and this is mind blowing, and it will tell you a lot. [1:42:10] There is another drawing of a planned view of that shaft, Jamie. Hold on, I think you... Wait a minute. Yeah, no. Below the one with the... Below that one, directly. Nope, you passed it. Yeah, that one. Okay. So, you know the commonly held theory about why those shafts exist is to ventilate the great pyramid, right? Okay. And the reason why they have those bends is for it to encircle the Grand Gallery. [1:43:03] So there doesn't interfere with the Grand Gallery. Now, if you're just going to ventilate that place, you would, would you need that many bends? But look at the distance between the Grand Gallery wall and the North Chef. It is 13.6 feet. Right? If you take the level where the Chef enters the King's Chamber and you take it straight past the Grand Gallery, you're looking at Dimension E, which is 41 inches. So it would clear the Grand Gallery, it didn't have to go through all those bends, unless the [1:44:01] wall blocks of the Grand Gallery were so large that they didn't want to interfere with them. And so does that suggest that the wall block thickness, because we don't know how thick they are? We don't know how that they are maybe just a little less than 13 feet thick. That is mind blowing. Oh, heavier, those things. Yeah. So this, the way it's set up here, now especially when you look at it from this it really does kind of make sense that this is a passageway For gases and energy The way I'm looking I mean it looks like if you're looking at it like this looks like like a system. There's a machine You were you were pointing about you were talking about the southern shaft [1:45:04] All right, um, and that the Southern shaft there's an outside image. Yeah, I see it in the outside. Yeah, could you show that one? Which image is it? Oh, it's coming I think. Well, I think you're going the wrong way, Jamie. There wasn't another picture the other way. I can Google it if you want me to find it, but I don't know if it was It's in there Go down How many images are in here? Hundreds how many did you want? Whoa, hold on oh wait a minute. No, just above. Right, it was right below the previous picture that we were talking about. Number 47 there. No, just below that. Yeah, there. Okay. Okay, so the bottom left photograph is the opening of the Southern shaft. I mean, yeah, the Southern [1:46:07] shaft of the King's Chamber. I took a photograph of it in 1986. Okay? To one on the right, I took in 1995 and that was after Rudolf Gantanbrink had installed the fan. But if you look at that opening, you see that you have like a bulbous opening almost looks like a microwave horn antenna. Right? So it's not just a straight simple shaft. It's like a catcher's mitt. Okay. Yeah. Right? I mean, it's just all of these different features of this chamber. But most, I mean, you would overlook them, right? But you would design it that way if you were trying to catch microwaves. Yeah. And so the southern shaft and the northern shaft have different functions. [1:47:06] So the southern shaft and the northern shaft have different functions. And you believe that the northern shaft is collecting the microwave energy? It is channeling the microwave energy. Yeah, I mean they would have some system on the outside to collect them. You know, I mean they may have a very large area actually collecting microwaves and feeding it to a reflector that is directed down the northern shaft. I mean if you know that there are eight sides to the pyramid, right? Each side it dips in, so it doesn't go straight across it dips in. I don't know where that reflector would have been positioned, but they could have been reflecting microwaves off the surface of the Great Pyramid to a reflector at a distance away and that reflector channeled down the, the Law of the Shaff. [1:48:00] That would be one way to do it. That would be one way to do it. So either way, you believe that the Northern Shaft was somehow or another collecting microwave energy. And the Southern Shaft, what would they do with that energy? This is the question. Well, that's the signal input. That's what enters the King's Chamber and stimulates the mission of other photons. Right. But once the energy's connected, once they haven't collected, how are they using it? How are they utilizing it? Your guess is as good as mine. I could only imagine if they can dream up how to build this system, how they machine those precision phases, how they created the statues. And knowing that there is so much missing [1:49:08] from that culture. Not only that, but knowing that you have to have something that you can use to make this in the first place. Yes, like what kind of material are you using to carry these things? There's so much missing. And it's kind of like, all right, so you're saying that you use the pyramid to create energy and with that energy you powered your power tools to build the great pyramid. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense at all. Right. So there was probably some other methods that were not aware. Yeah. Obviously. I mean, you build any power plant. You're going to have, you know, you're going to have generators on site. They're going to wheel them in and. Also, this is not going to be your first project. You're not going to, you know, you already have some understanding of how [1:50:01] the stuff works. I'll be making something of this scale. Well, I mean, our industrial development is about 200 years of development. Imagine if it's 500 years of development. Or a thousand years. From now. Jamie, go back to that image where it showed the cross section that he said, we'll stop at this one. No, there was one earlier, but that's fine. Either one of them. There was another one that showed like sort of a cross section. That's it, that's it, thank you. So this gives us an understanding of what it would look like originally. There was a gold cap on the top, smooth limestone on the sides. What do you think the function of that gold cap was? Because gold is used in electricity, it's in electronic components, it's a great conductor of electricity. Well, this is where you combine the Tesla's technology and also the Freud's laboratory experiments. And in the laboratory, what Freud did is he got a granite slab, a couple of me feed a [1:51:16] few feet long, and he put it in a hydraulic press in order to test his theory that if, you know, Ignis Rock is put under pressure, it releases electrons. So he wanted to test that. And he said that the granted up in his concrete press. I mean, concrete press, hydraulic press. And then he ran a wire through an oscilloscope and then attached it to a copper cap on the other end of the granite. So there has to be some kind of a connection. All right, [1:52:02] so he got electrons moving, you know, he got positive charge carries shooting through the granite and the hand shaking at the end with the negative electrons and everybody does a happy dance and fires up their microwaves just kidding. But that is seriously. And then you combine that with Tesla and his proposal to build a system that way you can transmit electricity wirelessly without wires through the earth. And you built the Waldencl tower, which was like a structure that would radiate that power. So that's the inspiration for this image right here. So the idea would be that this whole thing would be emitting wireless electricity? [1:53:03] Yes. And so that they would be able to utilize that somehow. Like Tesla had theorized. Tesla. We actually implemented it right in tests, right? Yeah, I mean Tesla power, Tesla cars to probably. So have you debated anyone about this as any Egetologist or any person who doesn't agree with your theory sat down with you and and tried to pick it apart? I am not a fan of debates Myself, I mean, I know it's good theater and some people are really good at it. Mm-hmm and I good theater and some people are really good at it. And you were able to demonstrate that the other week. But I've not a big fan of them. I'm not sure as far as scientists go, science or putting work out there for examination by your peers. I'm not sure that it is helpful [1:54:10] to set up a shouting match or a conversation. But I'm just interested to see what other people have to think about your theory because this is really fascinating to me. I'm looking at all this and I'm like, wow, this makes so much more sense than having this thing there as just a tomb for a dead guy. Well, there's not a lot of evidence that that's the case because they've never actually found. No, no. I mean, if you ask me, what was it for health? Chris, what the hell were you thinking when you came? What was you thinking? You know, I mean, and that is actually a key question because, you know, if you're an examiner or if you are pleading, pleading you something or somebody is challenging you, What your state of mind was when something happened [1:55:10] and event happened, what was your state of mind at the time, is important. And my state of mind at the time was the tomb theory is a death theory, I don't accept it. The pyramid, because of its design, its features, its precision, it looked like a machine, perhaps it's a machine. And if it is a machine, how did the machine operate? So that's basically what my state of mind was. And the evidence that I was looking at was evidence of a level of sophistication and a structure that actually demonstrated the highest level of state of the art that civilization or [1:56:02] that culture produced. Or any culture. Any culture. And it hasn't been replicated since. How is that possible? How is it possible? The whole thing is so impossible. Like if you wanted to have the best evidence that we don't know shit, it's got it right there. It's like how much do we know about what they knew if they could make that? Yeah, people ask me, they say, well, why haven't you built a model? And I was like, you don't understand the, you know, because I couldn't even afford one of the blocks that goes into the king's chamber but let them hold a thiled and up. And also, how much time would it take you to build that? Good Lord. And not only that, it's like, you know, if you're going to, if you're going to replicate, I was asked that question when I was in Egypt in 2021. And I was with, [1:57:03] Hamada Amwa and Dr. Hayney Hullal, who was the, used to be the Minister of Science and Higher Education, both extremely, extremely good guys, and they are both on the Scamp Pyramid Mission Team. So I had a meeting with them. And I gave my book to Dr. Kallow and a mother already had one. He'd arranged them eating. I gave my book to Annie L.L. and I described it briefly. And he asked me a question I never thought I would hear in Egypt and he says, well, could the great pyramid be restored and functioned as you envisioned that it did? And I was like, I'd ponder that question before and I'd thought, I can't see that happening. I mean, if you were going to replicate it or create another one, I would do another one, [1:58:16] because of the political climate. Of course. There is so much focus on the great perimeter. And everybody who's focused on it is an expert and Most of them have YouTube channels. So yeah So you have you have a hyper focus on that area. I mean just Just the simple thing like okay, we're gonna recover the third pyramid We're gonna restore it. We're gonna recover recover the third pyramid. We're going to restore it. We're going to recover it and blah, blah, blah. People start fending it. Yeah, I mean, it was a whole shit storm that came after that. They finally killed the project because... I saw. Do you think that it's good they killed the project? I mean, isn't it good to leave that stuff in the state in which we found it? I think, you know, people with the best of intentions [1:59:09] and working with the information that they have can make mistakes. And a lot of times, and I've made them myself, a lot of times it's because I am making decisions not having sufficient information. Right? So it's kind of like they were, it was the new, the new chief of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, the director of the chairman of the Supreme Council of Antiquities. And so he had a gentleman who was going to help him restore the Third Pyramid. And so he goes out and calls a press conference and tells everybody what they're going to do. [2:00:04] and tells everybody what they're going to do. And then there was a firestorm of criticism that came in. Just flooded in. And then finally, I think it was Zahiyahu, who pulled his influence to shut the project down. And then, so they backed up on it. But if he had touched all the bases, I mean, you just never know because relationships, in any culture, you don't understand them. You don't know who knows who, related to who. You know, you got all these all this activity. But I think people rightly so were upset at the idea of covering that thing just like they covered up the pause of this thing. Well, it wasn't very controversial, right? Not necessarily covering it, but restoring it. Restoring it. [2:01:01] But you are covering it, right? Because you're doing it. Well, you're modern human tools. You're doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're ruining what is left. Because what in the state that it is, it represents the erosion and the earthquakes, the looting of the limestone. This is what it is. So this is, yeah. But to cover it up with 2024's work seems gross. Right, and that's what a lot of people think. Cause it is not respecting history or, you know, Right. So if they did that with the great pyramid and covered the whole thing. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean that, that would certainly be more possible than building another one. Yeah. Right. Well, you would certainly... It's a lot easier. You wouldn't have to quarry as much as I'm still. Not even close. So if they did that, let's just imagine a world where people say, hey, we're going to do this, but we could always reverse it. Yeah. We're not going to do any permanent damage to the pyramid, but it's possible to restore it to the exact state [2:02:06] and find out if this theory's correct. Yeah, but how do you do that? I mean, I don't think you would have to have a lot more research and evidence produced that's to its original state. To convince people to invest so much money. Right. Because, I mean, this is a process. Okay. The gaze of power plant and gaze of the Tesla connection is a process. Right. And I'm pretty much at the end of that process. So I put you put it out in the universe and then other people are picking it up like I'm adeadly you know that's perhaps it's going to be any of the kind of university but let's imagine let's imagine we enter into a world where people say you know what it's better if we know and there's only one way to know and it's possible to do so let's let's cover that thing the way it was done before. Let's put a gold cap on it. [2:03:06] Let's follow the plans as if this is a power plant. Right, but first you have to qualify, verify all the systems, the subsystems and their function. Right. And it's complicated. And would you qualify that? Could it be more possible today to be AI? You would need, well, whoever is in control of the AI who's driving. Right, but let's look at best case scenario. Let's pretend there's some objective scientists that are not ideologically driven at all and they're in control of this AI and they utilize it the exact way we would like it to be utilized. What I would love is for some PhD student to take on as a dissertation project. The acoustic modeling of the interior of the great pyramid. [2:04:05] Get all the dimensions, scan everything, find out, all the dimensions, what they are, and then you start to simulate the behavior of the movements of sound within that space. I mean, we have, you know, we're using human instruments to detect resonance and report on the vibrations and how they feel when they hear it. And, you know, there's a lot of like magical experiences that are happening. But the magic, I mean if you've ever read Othsy Clock is kind of like sufficiently advanced technology, is first seen as magic, right? So if you have an alien race, [2:05:01] they have sufficiently advanced technology. You was like at it as magic. Right. Our cell phones, sure. If they appeared in an alcohol to your 100 years ago, magic. Magic. Yeah. Yeah. People wouldn't know what to do with them. And if this culture had something that's not where we are, but 500 years more advanced than us, which is why they were able to create something like that. Right, I mean, it looks like magic. I talk about the recent disclosure by the ODI on the UAPs in here. Really? Yeah. I think they're connected? As an example, as an example of what is possible physically, because if you consider that, you know, those UAPs can descend from 80,000 feet to sea level in a few seconds, that the G forces that they would pull on a 90-degree turn would be like a thousand G's, would destroy any of our craft and the people inside. [2:06:08] If it was even possible to make such a turn, which is not, we don't have anything to match it. And then you see how they function, you see, what can we observe on how they are propelled. You know, in F-16, they've got afterburners, and we see these afterburners kick on and fire belching out of the back. Those UAPs, they just seem to have some kind of aura around them and they defeat gravity and move through space in a way that appears like magic. But sufficiently advanced technology would be magical right almost less impressive than a cell phone Right because all of us flying around Cell phone is sending instantaneous video to the side of the world well that little UAP could be doing the same Yeah, so except to other planets, right? We just don't see all the mothership which is [2:07:04] Or we don't see it it might, the mother ship, which is or language. We don't see it. It might be American. It's all science fiction, right? I really wonder how much of that stuff is ours. How much of that stuff is Black ops projects? I don't think they've been, you know, things have it. You think it's from somewhere else? I mean, I can't prove where it's from, but if it is from somewhere else, I'd like to follow it home. You and me both. I'd like to see the, I'd like to observe the civilization and the culture that we're created. Go in the manufacturing plant, say how are you making this? And you know, say, okay, well, you're getting your power from, I don't see any, you know, train cars, carrying tons of coal and belching chimneys out in the distance, right? Well, if there's a time machine, if there was ever a time machine, I've always said, if I could go back to one place, I would be, I'd go back to Africa when they were doing that. [2:08:01] I go to Egypt, I'd just see what they, what were you doing? What were you doing? What were you doing? How were you guys doing this? What the hell's going on over here? And where did it all go? I mean, I know the burning of the library of Alexandria, they lost so much. We have no idea what was in there and what knowledge they had preserved. So now it's all lost. And if you're correct and if they really did have some sort of A machine that makes electricity that to this day when we're let me you want renewable electricity There you go kids right it's right there and somehow another someone did it 4,500 years ago How how what did you what did you guys do and how are you so much more advanced than all the other humans on earth? I'm so much more I'm digging through an article right now of some audio engineers that got access to the great pyramid Like they took in a bunch of high-powered speakers and whatnot. Very first thing this guy recognized here he says He noticed that there's a very specific precise frequency when the wind blows across some of the air shafts and it's a F sharp. [2:09:06] Yeah, and that appears in the, I think Tom Danley, who was a NASA engineer and he was on the A team and did acoustic testing inside the great pyramid. He measured the frequencies in the King's Chamber and reported that even with all his equipment turned off, the King's Chamber was still vibrating. And he actually... Go back, Chamber. Look at this right here. It says ancient Egyptian texts indicate that this F-sharp was the resident harmonic center of planet Earth. Yes, that's the connection. That's the seismic connection. The F-sharp is also coincidentally, it says in question marks, the tuning reference for the sacred flutes of many North American shamans. [2:10:01] Yeah, the hope is, yeah. So the yeah so the shop is very important. It's also it's also found in human DNA believe you know and there was a Dr. David Deemer who actually mapped the frequencies of DNA. As an engineer I will note 16 Hertz is just below the human threshold of hearing. the best you can hear is 20 interesting So that can dogs hear that Carl hear that they're known for hearing higher. I suppose they could probably hear Lord What is this dad? Well, I In the like around 2003 I was contacted by a very talented Physicist his name is Dustin Kerr. You could Google Dustin Kerr, if you like. He got his PhD at Cornell University and his thesis dissertation was was actually creating a nano guitar. Well, yeah, the nano guitar, the strings are just about [2:11:12] a hundred atoms wide. Well, and you have to have a electron microscope to be able to see it. And so, anyway, he contacted me and I'm really impressed with this guy. How would you strum that guitar with a laser light? Wow. Wow. It's two microns. Oh my God. That scale is two microns. Wow. That's bananas. And so you used a laser to play this guitar. You would need, yeah, I mean, just a very, very subtle laser, which, you know, is like micro heat expand, expand the strings and you would get, they would vibrate. But you [2:12:00] couldn't hear it, of course. Right. Of course. So away. Right. But it exists. So the frequency that's in the great chamber is below the threshold for humans to hear. Yeah. It's current and prasonic. Yeah. But if this machine was running, it would probably be a different frequency, right? All those frequencies would be playing a, plus more, I would say. The, you know, and besides his nano guitar when we were communicating, Dr. Carr did a model to finite element analysis of the great pyramid. And guess what? 16 hertz showed up in that. Wow. Fascinating. The whole thing is just so crazy. It blows your mind, you know. It really does. There's so many questions and so many places to take it to. [2:13:01] It's, yeah. The real question is like, how did they do it? Where did they learn all this stuff from? And did they implement this somewhere else? Is this the only power plant they ever created? The other pyramids, do they have similar function? I think the fundamentally, perhaps they, you know, the science of tapping into a harvesting electrons through stimulating movement in the lithosphere was probably known. And that knowledge was advanced and developed. Right. But if you have what this design, what you believe the great pyramid, how it was used as a power plant, what do you think is going on with the other two pyramids that are near it? Same thing except they have different interior designs. They're all part of the system. So oh, so it's all connected. [2:14:00] All three of them are connected somehow. Yeah. And have you observed similar situations in those smaller pyramids where it seems like they would be utilized in a similar fashion? Is there shafts and chambers? I just think, you know, if you are considering it as a project. Okay, so you design a project, you propose a project, you gather the resources to complete the project, you describe it you're investors. I mean, ultimately it's about follow the money. How much is it gonna cost and what's the return on investment? And so you have, okay, I wanna build a great pyramid and we're gonna have all this, you know, we're gonna have all this energy. And I've built another few pyramids around it [2:15:03] and they'll just be tourist attractions. No. No. No. I mean, if you've got the whole plateau and the lithosphere beneath it, I mean, Freud said that the lithosphere is actually a giant battery. It can turn into a giant battery if it is stimulated. Right? Right. And so if you got that condition, you got all that potential energy under your feet, all you've got to do is shake it a little bit, you know, and just go, hey, send me a few more electrons. And you build a system on the surface. Perhaps you survey the area just like, you know, NASA satellites surveyed the area for freedom of frying. And you build a, a pulse generator deep under the geese of plateau. [2:16:04] And you start that system up and you survey the area a pulse generator deep under the geese plateau. And you start that system up and you survey the area and you look for the hot spots, right? For where the maximum number of electrons are coming through from the lithus for you. And then you say, okay, we'll build a pyramid there, build one there, we'll build one there, those are your hot spots. You know you got a hot spot in Texas right? Oh really? Yeah, Marfa, Marfa Texas. What is it? It's a town I think you should know. I know Marfa but how's it a hot spot? They're a Marfa lights, have you heard of those? No. Yeah. Pull up the Marfa lights. Is that a ball light name? No, yeah, pull up the Marfa lights. Is that a ball lightning? No, it's kind of like a light show. Really? Yeah Yeah, it's very famous and it's from the 11th Elst of Well, I know Marfa. I have a friend who has a house in Marfa. Really? Yeah, he loves it there It's like a kind of an artist community, right? Hmm [2:17:02] Probably the energies right mm-hmm like Sedona, right? Yeah, all the energies right? Mm-hmm. Like Sedona right? Yeah, it's all the weirdos. Love it. Yeah, I'm one of those weirdos. I kind of want to lift that. Oh, it's gorgeous place. Sedona's gorgeous. gorgeous. Um, so what is this? So there's this interview I think I'm imagining what they're trying to say here without listening to everything. What is so these lights? What's going on with these lights? What what is this? The Marfa lights interview on the Marfa lights. Oh, okay. Okay. I don't know exactly So when you see those things flying around the sky, what are they? Is that like ball lightly? Yeah, I mean it's like drones going from the earth and ionizing the air It says according to Judith Yeah. It says according to Judith Bruesque, the Marfa Lights of West Texas have been called many names over the years, such as Ghost Lights, Weird Lights, Strange Lights, Car Lights, Mystery Lights, or Keonti Lights. My favorite place from which to view the lights is a widened shoulder on Highway 90, about nine miles east of Marfa. The lights are almost are most often reported at distant spots of brightness, distinguishable from branch lights and automotive headlights on 67. [2:18:08] So primarily distinguished by their aberrant movements. So these things just sort of fly around. The first historical record of the Marfa lights was 1883 when the young cowhand, Robert Reed Ellison saw a flickering light while he was driving cattle through the Pisano pass and wondered if it was a campfire of the Apache other settlers told him they often saw the lights but when they investigated they found no ashes or evidence of a campsite. So what is happening again with these lights? How's it? It's electrons going to the earth. If you consider primes theory from the primes effect, it's the release of positive charge carriers from the lithosphere shooting up to the surface and ionizing the air. Okay and so creates a light that way. a lot of people have speculated that it could be like [2:19:08] peace or electric activity and Cautz bearing rock but But it would probably doesn't support that idea. I don't think but it would sort of support this theory that if you could find places where that is happening Naturally, yeah like Marfa and you established the pyramid there places where that is happening naturally, like Marfa. And you established the pyramid there. You had one other thing that you just said to me when we took a break that there was some evidence that you knew about this Dibble Hancock debate that it comes to light. Oh, yeah, that was interesting. A fellow researcher, Manu Safeday, he wrote the book under this thing. He had posted on Facebook a paper that had been published. [2:20:00] I mean, I think the discussion was the existence of industrial activity during the ice age. Right. And so, you know, I talked to him and he sent me several papers where other studies have been done, and the show, the same kind of markers that you see in that period of time in the paper that he presented on the podcast. Mm-hmm. So, you know, everybody should have a chance to fix their mistakes, right? But they are, could you pull them up, Jamie, and we could just go through them. And then they will be on record. Okay, so what is wrong? [2:21:00] So what you're saying is that what he was saying is that the evidence of industrialization only occurs after a specific time in the course samples. Right. That they they weren't there's no evidence of them in the I say. And is this led? What is it in? Right. Right. So I mean, I this is out of my wheelhouse. Right. I I'm not an expert. But this gentleman posted this in response. I'm just saying that if there is another body of other papers that have been conducted, where research has been conducted, that go further back into the past, in the period of time that dibbles paper deals with, then they should be introduced into the record order. And how far in the past have these go? 150,000 years. And how far in the past have the ones that dibbles introduced go? I think it's about between 1,000 BC and 1,000 ADs. It is just like a narrow window. [2:22:09] Okay, so did you find it, Jamie? Well, I don't have Clint's stuff because that was on his computer. Well, his paper, the paper that he referenced is in there. The one that you brought? Yeah, well I have what you brought. You have this? That's not the one that you brought. Yeah. Okay. Well, I have then what I have what you brought. This is what you have I said. That's not the one that he presented. I don't know which one that would be. It was there a 2000. I think it was a 2018 page. Yeah. Any five just I Atmospheric lead and an order, guys, during the last climactic cycle. Yeah. Is that it? No, that's one of them. I don't think it's the one that Dibble presented. But what are the one, the one that you're presenting? The one that you... The one that Manu sent me. Let's see what she's that one. [2:23:02] See, that one, I think it goes back 149,000 years. So, yeah, just in the, just in the, oh, this is the one. Yeah, this is the one, I think, that what date is on that? I don't know. 2018, maybe. 20, yeah, I think it's 2018. Okay. Right. So, it said the title of this is for anybody wants to find it, is lead pollution recorded in Greenland ice indicates European emissions track plagues wars and imperial expansion during antiquity right okay okay so if you look up the other papers they treat a different period of time and when you go back to the ice age, you do find the same kind of evidence. Is that what this paper's showing? This is, which one is this the same? This is the one we're just looking at. Oh, no. This is that short time period. 1100 BC to 800. [2:24:02] This is the one that Dibble presented then. Yeah. Okay. So what's the one that you're presented? I'm not presenting. Oh, but it was the one that you're The ones that I that was sent to me Where are those there on there in the folder Jamie? Okay, and what is that one called? Okay, go down to the next one Really, but this one right for it says highlighted and it says like the high-lesson area? Yeah, I mean, I think they're all kind of similar. Well, you said me five things. The first two are the same. It's just this is highlighted. Oh, I see. OK. OK. Let's go that and make a little bigger. I sent them to you. They're on there as they were sent to me. So it says very low during the hallucinera, probably during the last intergalatial and part of the last ICH. There were very high during the last glacial maximum and at the end of the penultimate, I love that word penultimate. I love that word don't you? [2:25:00] It's great word. So the concentrations were high of lead during the ICH at work. Yeah. So the concentrations were high of lead during the ice age it's saying. Yeah. So this does counter what he was saying. Seves to. Okay. But I'm not the expert. I'd read I. I understand where you're saying it. But this goes far back past when he was talking about. So the possibility could be that what Graham was saying might actually have some weight to it, that there was a highly advanced civilization before the ice age, and that it went away. And then when you see lead in the future, you're just seeing sort of a re-understanding of this process. That's one way to put it. It doesn't have to be a really highly advanced civilization like ours. It just means that there is industrial activity, whatever that shape of form that takes. Well, the real fascinating thing is if the Egyptians [2:26:00] had figured out how to generate power without any damage to the environment, which is really wild. We haven't yet. No, but if they figured that out with that great pyramid, that process is how they generated electricity. I mean, that's about as green as you're ever gonna get. I mean, pretty amazing. Yeah. There's a little factoid for you. But, do you know in 2021 they quarried enough coal by weight to build a pyramid, 76 times bigger than the great pyramid. Wow. So we know how to extract rock. Yeah. Right? They're collectively at least. Yeah. Yeah. Especially in China, right? Oh yeah. Which is hilarious. Very efficient now. Not just that. They're really good at making coal plants. They're making hundreds of new ones opening up. Yeah. While we're over here freaking out. [2:27:00] Anything else before we get out of here? Jamie, you said that there was a couple other slides you thought were really interesting? Uh, I mean, we kind of ended up getting to them. I was kind of really curious what that fan was all about, but he described it like. Yeah. I had them as someone. There was one other thing I would like to address if you don't want to. Please. Okay. So the other thing that Dr. Dibble mentioned was when you raised the question about the cord drilling. Right. Right. And Dr. Dibble said that, well, that's bendy-bunked. I'm just paraphrasing now. That's bendy-bunked. And he referenced two sources. He referenced scientists against math and world of antiquity. Okay. So, scientists, this is where, you know, if you don't give it enough information, [2:28:02] people will fill in the gaps. You know, you leave a vacuum. And Janay is a very well-known, gaps. You leave a vacuum. Engineers are very well known for leaving all kinds of vacuums. They don't explain everything completely because they assume everybody knows it because they know it. And so it's the simplest thing. And basically, scientists against Smith, they sent me their paper on the methods that they used, which contradicted my methods. What they did is they got these photographs, two-dimensional photographs of the of the Petricore. And and they rejected the method that I used, which was just a simple string or cotton thread with magnification and with the artifact in my hand. So you've got best evidence in your hand and against evidence second hand with take them with [2:29:08] folicus. So what's wrong what is the problem with that? And when I saw what method they use I didn't take it seriously perhaps I should and then we won't be here talking about it but I didn't take it seriously and it's like it kind of failed on its face just after the first two pages. Plus it was very insulting and mocking, right? Not very professional. But basically what they did is they took a 2D photograph of a 3D cone. Okay, I want to show you two things. This is a flat blank and this is a cone. Okay? So aerospace manufacturing engineers know all about how cones are made and they know how to measure them [2:30:03] and they know how to transmit geometric data to the customer. All right? Our customers would never accept a 2D photograph of a 3D object as evidence of geometric accuracy or precision. I mean, a 3D camera with, you know, like a scanner or something like that, but just a simple... Two dimensions. Two dimensions. You want to... Right. Two limited. Two limited. But what happens to the evidence when you take a 2D photograph? I'll show you. You have a corruption of the evidence right away. What happens with a 2D photograph taking a 3D object? You can go through these series of cones that are made. [2:31:06] This is a cone that has horizontal lines around it, right? And you can see that there are horizontal lines. So you can assume, okay, I took a 2D photograph of this. Okay? I took a 2D photograph of that. And then I brought it into my computer, but there are some things that happen to the arc length. The arc length on the original, if you take a 2D photograph, you are using the cord length as they are. You got all that on camera, Jimmy? Is it on both cameras? Another one, pick it up? Oh, okay. But there's another problem with it, and it's not just geomatery. Well, it is, ultimately, it's more involved with how the eye works and how a camera functions [2:32:08] and that's the lens. And basically what you're doing is you're capturing an image and what have a cone and if you focus your camera here, right? The lines here, the curve that way, the lines down here, curve this way. OK. So you take those and you lay them out flat, you've got corrupted evidence. You project those images onto a cone in the computer and this is what happens. You've got a bunch of wavy lines. Can you get that? Which indicates that it's a spiral. No, it doesn't. This is not to prove that it's a spiral. [2:33:07] This is to prove that the evidence that they have produced is not the best evidence. Right, because it's only too dimensional. Because they're right. To really get the, to refute your evidence, they should look at the thing and measure it right accurately, scan it. But it also, the state of mind of the investigators who are working on this. And that is they are driving to a conclusion that is directly opposite to mine. So they're not acting in good faith. With you, read a scientific paper or if you are working on a scientific project, if you're in school or if you're anywhere, and so you prepare your report, you publish your report, you describe the methods that you use and the tools that you use, how [2:34:10] you did it, and then you publish your results. I did that. And then somebody comes along behind you and they say, well, I want to see that for myself. That's what you call falsification process where science has any theory, it has to be falsifiable. So if they can find anything wrong with what you did, then they have to follow the same steps you did to to the latter right But they didn't do that they didn't do that clearly They and also they didn't have access to the actual physical object It's it doesn't indicate that they did there was a way you could really test they were just drawing down photographs from the internet So they were just trying to debunk it exactly and they're doing and what they're doing is silly but [2:35:04] Then you have a college professor who scoops up all that research and they become sighted sources in their work. Well, he probably was just respecting their work and thinking that your work is one of those alternative guys that's not a part of the system, not a part of the academic system. Yeah. And so he just, and he obviously, not a part of the system, not a part of the academic system. Yeah. And so he just, and obviously he works with seeds and things like those lines. And that's his area of archeology. So he trusts the other. Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that, but what he said is his own, you just saying that the sources of advice. I'm just saying that, I mean, he was certainly well-schooled and had the answers to some of these mysteries, right? And he had been given information and pretty much he [2:36:02] reeled it out when the question was raised. Yeah, the other thing that I thought of after the fact, and we are actually kind of covered it, but I never connected the dots, was that one of the things that we were talking about, when we were talking about Gobackley Tepay, Gobackley Tepay was created by these people that didn't need agriculture because the place they lived was so bountiful. But what if they just didn't... What if agriculture to them wasn't plants? What if agriculture was animal agriculture and they fed their animals with wild plants? If the wild plants were in such abundance that they could just go out and chop down the wild plants and use them to feed their animals, that's still agriculture, but it's not plant agriculture. Yeah, I don't. So that's the difference. I forgot that while it was happening, and then after I was like, ah, why didn't I connect those dots? Because go back to the tape, no one is disputing the time period of it. It's 11,000 years ago, right? [2:37:00] That's when it was covered intentionally, 11,000 years ago. So no one's disputing that, but that puts it into the term of pre-agriculture. And so what he was saying was that maybe where they lived was so bountiful with food that they didn't need agriculture at the time. Right. Possible. But also, are we only thinking of agriculture as plant agriculture? And do we have to grow plants in an agricultural setting to feed animals? Well, doesn't that entirely depend on how we're raising these animals? Because if these animals are free-ranging and you have an enormous area, then no. All right. Then you could harvest them out free ranging you could have Agriculture in terms of animals and you could have these animals that you're farming You're just farming them with wild plants and if you could do that for go back to Tepay Which is what they're saying it at least they're saying that [2:38:01] Either they just hunted all the animals that were around there There were so many animals around them. they could hunt them very easily to feed everybody so they'd have enough resources to build this thing. Or maybe they had some kind of agriculture in terms of animal agriculture, but just hadn't planted things. Yeah. Or hadn't had the need to plant things if they're living in such abundance. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's a good question though. It is a good question. Yeah. All of it is good questions. All of it is good questions. Yeah. Shoulders and coming forward and asking, raising their hands and saying, oh, wait a minute, what about this? What about this? And that's what you've done. And listen, I think you've done an amazing job of it. And the way you explained it today, I really appreciate it. It's great for a person like myself to be able to ask a person like you questions and get to the heart of how this whole thing would work and I think you laid it out amazingly. It's such a fascinating subject and so many mysteries and so many questions and I just [2:39:01] want to thank you for putting in so much time and having so much energy of your life dedicated to trying to figure this thing out. Yeah, all right. Can I go take a nap now? Yes, you can go take a nap. You did great. Tell everybody about your books though. So, I'll get them. So anyway, yeah, the first one was... The Giza Power Plant. Okay. Technology is a venture in Egypt. And then the newest one. What does it say on that one? Giza, the Tesla Connection. Can they see it from there? Yeah, okay, cool. Giza is a Tesla Connection. All right. And those are available now. A acoustical science and how this thing of clean energy. All right. Well, thank you, sir. I really appreciate you coming here. I really enjoyed it and it's you're doing a great service. You should give those to Elon Musk. Why, he needs them? Well, if he's going to build electric cars, he's going to need electricity for it. All right, I'll let him know. I'll let him know. All right, thank you.