#2048 - Reggie Watts


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Reggie Watts

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Reggie Watts is a comedian, actor, author, and musician. Look for his new book "Great Falls, MT: Fast Times, Post-Punk Weirdos, and a Tale of Coming Home Again" on October 17. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/714088/great-falls-mt-by-reggie-watts/

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I'll take that. Yeah. I only drink a half one though. You drink the whole one? I drink the whole one, but I'm gonna try half this time just to see. Cause you know, it's weird. I have friends that are like, they will not. They're just like, I don't know what it is. Like, well, they can't take it. Cause well, some people do get nauseous on it, but I haven't, I've never, never had that experience. It's really weird. Like all throughout my life, like I've taken all kinds of things that people are like, I throw up or like Robitusser or something, like drinking a whole thing of Robitusser. I throw up, I'm like, I don't know why, but I just, I don't have that reaction. So I feel either lucky or I'm dumb. I don't know. Do you ever get seasick? No. Oh, okay. Yeah. Do you throw up when you get sick? Could you ever throw up? I try to avoid it at all times, but I don't get sick that often. I get sick maybe once every four years or something. Do you ever drink too much and then you throw up? You just down the whole thing, didn't you? No, I did like three quarters. No, I did half. I don't know why this is two portions. That's silly. You can't even see through the glass. I know. How do I know where the half is? I always have my flashlight. I'm just like, oh, let me check. Yeah, that seems kind of silly. I just, yeah, I'm trying half. Because I gotta do that, because I'm just like so like, just do it, just fucking do it. And every time I do it, I'm like, ah, man. It feels really good, but I feel like I missed my opportunity to try half, so this is my opportunity. Kratum is a weird one. Yeah. Because it's kind of an opiate, right? It uses, as far as I understand it, it uses the opioid receptor, but it's not technically an opiate. There was a friend of mine was telling me that he takes Kratum before he works out. I go, how many did he take? Really? And he goes, I take 10. I go, really? 10 what? 10 pills. Oh, of just pure Kratum. Yeah, and I don't know what the milligrams is. I go, 10, I was taking two. So I tried 10. And I go, dude, you're getting high as fuck. I was so high. And then I was like, oh my god, this is a drug. But it's a weird drug where it doesn't affect your motor skills. No. Not really. I was high, but my coordination, I was like, nothing feels off. Yeah. You know, like when you're drunk, it's like, I can do this. But everything's in slow motion. No, you can't. But Kratum was high in some weird way. But it was definitely intoxicated. It's an interesting one, especially feel free you've got Kava and Kratum, which does that like, here's a mellowing anti-anxiety vibe. And then here's like a euphoric energy thing in the center of it. And so it gives you that like, that's why people feel so groovy on it, because it's got those two. However, I do understand if people get sick on it. Like they, I think some people just, it's too much for their brain, or they just need to do like a third of a bottle or something. We can't even keep them at the club. Duncan just chugs them. Really? Oh my god, he's an animal. The trusty? He doesn't play with those Kratums. I can only do, I reserve one four times a week, like at night. I use it at night, because especially if I have a social engagement, if I have a lot of people to deal with, I take one of those. I'm just like, oh really? Oh, where did you grow up? You grew up in France. That's interesting. That pin, what does it mean to you? I mean, I'm so hyper engaged. It's crazy. Isn't that interesting that there's actual things that can make you a better conversationalist? There's things that you can take where you'll be better talking to people. You'll say different things than you would without those things. I know. I know. I don't know. I think it has something to do with the, I think like certain things that remove the editing aspect and you're just more fluid. Like I remember a friend of mine, she had like this. I don't know if you know people like this, but they analyze everything that they're thinking, like it's a compulsion. So like my friend, she's an amazing musician, but every time she would speak, she'd be like, well, I'd like to, I'm not sure if I should, but I, you know, I would like to buy a lot of this like looped kind of thing and self-analyses. But like the analysis loop is so, so small that I'm like, you know, I wish I could help. But then one night I can, she was nervous about taking Academy and I gave her just a little bit of Academy and finally she was like, okay, I'll try it. I'll try, I'll try. And she's like, I don't know. Should I, I think maybe it's too much. And I was like, trust me, just, just do this amount. I'm really good at dosing. And she took it and I progressively saw her go from, I don't know what's going on. Yeah. So, yeah. And you know, I was just kind of wondering, my career is interesting, but I have a lot of fear based around it. She was just calm, relaxed and completely fluid. And I let her go for a while. And then I said, did you notice that you haven't stopped yourself once? Like in the last two minutes, she was like, oh my God, you're right. And I was like, yeah. Like if you notice that when you're on it, it's possible you can carry that over into your functioning everyday life. But it was, it was a cool, it was cool to see that transformation. Yeah. I wonder if that's possible without the ketamine. I think of course it is, but at the ketamine just puts you immediately in a spot where you're, you're no longer emotionally connected to your observational self. You're just in an observational state. So it's, it's for me, I noticed that I'm very clear, even though I'm thinking myself as a pretty good communicator. Sometimes when I'm on ketamine, the thoughts are just flowing in a way that I'm actually watching them. It's the same feeling when I'm improvising and it's going really well. Like I'm with a bunch of cats and we're like jamming or whatever. There'll be this weird thing where I'm suddenly I'm like, I'm just, it's almost like I'm standing next to myself going like, Hey, that's pretty good. Oh wait. And then I'm playing again. And it kind of puts me in that kind of a state and I don't know, there's something about it. I'm really interested in ketamine, like doing more research with it too. Like FMRI is like, you know, real time FMRI and mapping regions of the brain when you're improvising and things like that. There's been a little bit of that, but I want to do it myself just to see. Wasn't it originally devised as an animal tranquilizer? Yeah, it was an anesthetic as far as I know. I think cats or something. Yeah, it was like, well horses, like large, large mammals that can do a lot of damage. I think it was used for them to just come up as an anti-anxiety and then it's an anesthetic. So I know a friend of mine, he was a friend of a friend, he was skateboarding, shoulder went out of place, went to a hospital, they shot him with ketamine and then put his shoulder back in. I think they use that in medic kits overseas. Oh, that's probably right. I think they do if they have to do like in the field surgery, something happens on the battlefield. Well, I know in Vietnam, all the burn victims from like napalm and stuff like that, they use a mixture of opiates and ketamine because the dissociative takes you out of your body. So you're not related to the pain in your body and the opiates obviously suppress pain at the same time. Crazy, right? Pharmacology. I know. Reggie Watts and Jarrogus. Hey. Everyone's like, we're not giving advice. There's all these doctors going like, that's not true. It was actually, I'm like, okay. Everything you're saying is dangerous. I'm trying. I'm trying. Everything you're saying is misinformation. All of us. I mean, it's like sometimes it's just what you understand at the time. Oh, there it is. Yeah. There it goes. Ketamine was found of many of the same anesthetic and analgesic properties as PCP. I think it's very close to PCP, like molecularly, but consistently produced fewer adverse side effects following this initial research. Ketamine was characterized as a dissociative anesthetic. Yeah. Yeah. When I was growing up, we would drink Robitussin, which had dextromethorphan in it, which is also dissociative. It's a weirder version of it, but when I first took ketamine, I was like, why does this feel familiar? It's Robitussin. Oh, dextromethorphan. Interesting. Although dextromethorphan feels like an Instagram filter over the dissociative experience, whereas ketamine feels clean, a little bit cleaner. Interesting. Yeah. I remember when NyQuil had codeine in it, and one time I was sick. This was back in the old days. Yep. And I took NyQuil, and I remember lying in bed feeling so wonderful. You know, I was sick. I was like, this is amazing. I don't think I'd ever taken it before, and I don't think this formula is the same. I think I'm talking like the 90s. I'm like, that's it. Now, I remember being in a convertible in the 80s, and a friend of mine sitting on the deck where the top is down or whatever, he's sitting on the deck, and he just had a bottle of codeine. He was just like, take sips of it, and I was like, I wanted to try it, but I was like, I don't know. I just didn't, but it was funny. Was the car in motion? It was in motion. We were cruising. That's not a smart move. No, I know it's not, but it's the 80s. That's a codeine move, too. I know. It's totally codeine. The 80s. It's like 80s, everything. I remember in the 80s being in a scout, taking all the back roads from Great Falls to Lake 5 in Glacier Park on the way there with a half rack of beer, and just drinking beers and cruising down the road, and with three friends and a bunch of bikes in the back. I mean, I don't know. The shit that we did back then was, you just can't do it anymore. You definitely can't if people are filming you with their phones. No, that's true. Yeah, that was the missing link. That's a big part of the world now. So many things are being filmed. There's good and bad of it, right? The good thing is citizen journalism. Sure, yeah. We know more about the horrors of war, the wars that are happening right now. Do you remember during, I think it was Desert Storm, or it was after, whatever, 2001 after the 9-11 attacks, they weren't allowed to show bodies of troops coming home. They weren't allowed to show coffins. Remember, photographers were not allowed- Something like that. Yeah, which is insane. And then now, here we are 22 years later, and you just get graphic cell phone footage from Ukraine. Now you're getting it from Palestine and Gaza. It's just horrific graphic footage from phones. Even back in the days, remember when ISIS was on the rampage, you could still see videos on YouTube before they took them down. Right, beheading videos. I saw one of those, and I was like, I should have never seen that. I can't get out of my head. No, I've seen quite a few of them, unfortunately. It's just like, on one hand, it's like the barbarism is a good thing to see where you're like, that, I never want to put myself in this situation, or I want to do everything I can to try to make our society not do that kind of shit. But at the same time, it can desensitize, and some people can kind of fetishize on it as well. So it's, I don't know, it's a twofer. Yeah, that is a thing with people. They do fantasize about things that they see. And they wanted, I mean, you've heard that about serial killers. They study serial killer documentaries and shit before they actually go out and do it. Yeah. I know, but humanity. We're so weird. I know, we're weird. We're so weird. This idea of eradicating all war. I remember when I was a little boy, I was living in San Francisco, during the height of the Vietnam War, and the Vietnam War ended. And I remember as a boy thinking, oh, this is great. Now there's not gonna be any more wars. They figured it out. The war is bad. Yep. They didn't. They didn't. Because wars will end. That's the one thing about war. A war will end. But does another one, what's the next war that starts? They're always sparking up. They're always sparking up somewhere. I have this weird theory. Well, I don't know, it's a weird theory. And it's a gross generalization. But I think pretty much every conflict is a result of capitalism. In the sense that raw capitalism, in its nascent form, is just a system of trade and so forth. But the way it's been wired, because it doesn't have human well-being involved in the equation, it's just about, can we make this graph go up like we need more of these numbers? And it's just chasing infinite wealth, right? It's like wealth amassing. So it has a value system, but human well-being is not in it. So eventually, over time, it's like, of course people are gonna game it. And very few people are gonna game it. And then they're gonna acquire all this stuff. And they're just gonna be desensitized to the rest of the inequities and so forth. And then you're gonna cause all this animosity. And then there's gonna be a lot of people going like, well, I need to get my stuff back. And then you get all these opportunists that are using the disgruntledism and using that to arm. It's like, that's my over-gross oversimplification. I'm sure I'll be corrected millions of times over. But whenever I see any of these conflicts, or even a conflict in my own neighborhood, or my neighbor's arguing over, it's about a property line. Or it's about, you didn't do this or you didn't do that. It's this weird thought process that goes into, I don't have enough, or I have all the stuff, and I wanna keep the stuff, or I want more stuff. And then someone else kind of responding to that in some way. I'm not phrasing it as eloquently as I usually do on ketamine. But that's kind of my... Whenever I see all of these things, I'm just like, I have a feeling that it's probably maybe that. I don't know. The problem is the alternative is even more horrific. What's the alternative? Socialism. Socialism, yeah. I don't know enough about that. Because the only way that's enforced is by dictators. And then the dictators wind up doing what every human being in power does, which is control all the resources, control all the wealth, live in extravagant houses where everybody starves. Every single communist dictatorship is all run the same way. It's the only way to run them. Because the only way to enforce socialism is through violence. The only way to take people's resources and evenly distribute it and go on with guns. But what about countries like Sweden and things like that? They have social... Well, we have social... We have social systems. We should have social systems. Yeah, social systems. But you're talking about full-on socialism. Yeah, I mean, I'm not... Here's something that's interesting. I really think within our lifetimes, if it hasn't happened already, governments are going to start using AI to do low-level legislation. And now I'm just like, I'm summarizing in a very optimistic way. We've been talking about this a lot, actually. Oh, okay. Okay, good. So I got a friend of mine, Dr. Alan D. Thompson. If you don't know about him, check him out. He's an AI expert, researcher. He's an explainer. He has a thing called the memo that comes out, I think like every two weeks or something like that. But it gives you this really holistic state of the union of AI. And he's hyper-optimistic and calls it human evolution, which I believe in that as well. If it's used well, you get rid of the emotional factor and you just have something that's looking to solve problems. Yeah. You know, and so I think it can at least give you five solutions that are not emotionally based, that are just addressed, that are supposed to kind of maximize the positive probable outcome. And I think we may see a human AI synergistic government, at least low level government implementation, probably some country that's like can do that and not feel like they're betting the farm on it. And if it goes well, then other people implement that. Exactly. Yeah, I think so. We were talking about a AI president, that you need a president that is immune to bias, corruption, influence, and someone who just looks at things rationally and in an intelligent way that spans all the disciplines, right? Like how could any president really be an expert in foreign policy, the environment, economics, social justice, infrastructure, immigration? It's not possible. How could one person really know the correct solutions to all those issues? Even if you're briefed, look, I can't imagine. All I do is run a podcast and do comedy, and occasionally commentate on fights. And all those three things take up so much of my fucking time. My whole day today has been having conversations with people about replacement opponents, because there's a UFC coming out in two weeks. So I've been having all these conversations with experts and people that I know, and commentators of who can fit this spot, and who's ready, and who's in shape, and who's turned the fight down. How could anybody? That's so minor. My role is so small. I have so little to do, and yet it takes up so much of my time. How could anyone manage all of those things? They can't, but AI could. Yeah, totally. And AI doesn't have a son that gets money from Burisma. I know. I know. It's like the thing about... I know. Well, it's like, I mean, if you look at like... It's really hard. I had a term, I don't know if it exists, but I call it corporacrats. And most people in government essentially are corporacrats, in the sense that the things that... When I see people like vetoing things or not getting on board with certain things, and you're like, well, that seems like that would be helpful, but you're choosing not to do that. It's like the influence of corporations on even well-intentioned people that go into government, they're like, I want to make a difference. I want to make a change. It just gets in there. It's so baked. It's baked in there. And so I don't know how you're going to overcome that. The only thing I can think of is like... Because my thing is like, I'm not really political in the sense that I don't have a party. I'm pretty independent. I'm just like, I want to choose people that are humble enough, that have enough humility to work with anybody that wants to solve a problem that they're wanting to solve, and to create solutions for the most amount of people possible. That's all I'm looking for, because there is no excuse for any of us being... All the inequity we see in all of this stuff is totally solvable if we were much more efficient with how resources are utilized, how they're distributed, and so forth. And what I mean by that is some of my friends are like, well, if you do universal basic income, which I think is something I'm interested in, I think that that is interesting, if you can account for where that comes from in a way that doesn't upset people, they have a lot of power, and a lot of money feel like that's threatening my whatever it is that I... Do you remember Bernie Sanders, his idea? Oh, no, what was that? His idea that I thought was really fascinating when I talked to him, he said he's going to take a small fraction, less than one cent, for every speculation buy on the stock market. Whoa. And that would account for an insane amount of money. And you could essentially, through that money, just through that money, provide free healthcare, free education, just through that. If we could... There's two things that we could do that could stop people from living a shit life. One of them is keep them from being saddled down by student debt. Student debt, student loan debt is fucking insane, because you're taking these vulnerable young people, 17 years old, right out of high school, about to go to college, and they sign on for these fucking deals where they're going to owe an insane amount of money over the next five, six years, and they can never get out of that debt. That is crazy. It's crazy what we do to people. So then you force them into jobs that perhaps they don't want to do. And maybe there's things that they would have thought of pursuing that they can't pursue, because they have a nut that they have to pay every month, because they have student loan debts. And it's a big nut. If you're in medical school, it's enormous. It's an enormous nut. It's so insane, because the way I look at it is, any time someone's in survival mode, they're in a crisis state. They're less likely to be in a solution-based mind state. They're generally in a crisis state. So if you're in survival mode, you're spending all of this brain trust energy that could be contributing to amazing solutions for all kinds of things, and you're just wasting it. And that's why when I drive through LA and I see how many people are on the street, I'm like, there's probably a genius in there. There's probably someone who could invent a new water filtration system, or there's probably whatever it is. It's a waste of human potential. And I'm like, if you don't invest in your population, if you don't believe in your population and you don't invest in them, and I just like that some of the arguments are like, well, you're just giving away stuff and people are just going to freeload. There might be some of that, but most of the time, people want to get involved in something, and they want to make the people at least close around them, they want to make their lives a little bit better. That's if you're not a drug addict. The problem with the homeless community is the vast majority of them are mentally ill and or drug addicts. So what you really need, first of all, we definitely need to look at the country like it's our community, and we don't do that. 100%. 100%. It should be one giant community. There's no excuse for radically impoverished, gang-ridden, crime-ridden neighborhoods. There's no excuse for that. We should be engineering that out. We should figure out a way to... If you want to make a better country, you want to make America great again, make less losers. What's the best way to make less losers? Give people opportunities from the jump. You know how much potential we're missing out. So much potential we're missing out because people who might have brilliant minds might be incredibly creative, but they're born in horrible, hostile environments, and they get caught up in it. It could happen to you, it could happen to me, it could happen to anybody. Anybody who's listening to this that hasn't committed murder or rob people, a lot of it is luck. It's your decisions for sure, and it's how you're raised, but you don't get to choose that either. You don't get to choose who your family is. You don't get to choose your neighborhood. You don't get to choose how they... what trauma they faced in their life. You don't get to choose what happened to your mother while you were in her womb that contributes to the way you think and behave. When a woman is involved in heavy violence and trauma, and when they're around that all the time and the baby's in the womb, that baby comes out triggered, like ready to go. It's a fact. Michael Orvin was explaining this. Like epigenetics and experiential development and gestation. So if we could do... I've said this many times, but I'll say it again. Think about these no-bid contracts they gave Halliburton to go in and fix a rock after we blew the shit out of it. Why can't they give no-bid contracts to these motherfuckers to go fix up cities? Why isn't it profitable? Imagine if it was profitable to do that. If we can spend a hundred fucking billion dollars in Ukraine, whether you agree with that or not, we had that money somehow or another. We were able to do that. We have a crisis in America, a massive crisis. The loss of life in America is comparable to all kinds of wars. If you just look at the amount of people that die in the South Side of Chicago every weekend, it was higher at many points than what was going on with the conflict in Afghanistan. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy to me. When I see this, like the United States... I mean, the United States said, I grew up in the 80s. There was like, yeah, we were kind of blinded by a lot of like, you know, kind of glamorizing and just like, everything's groovy. You know, like all the movies and TV shows and stuff like that. But at least when I grew up, I didn't have that stress of the micromanaging of constant reminders that the inequities are insane and that the middle class is just getting squeezed. And everybody I know, and I'm talking about like, I tried to buy a house in LA for three years. I bid on four houses. One of them, the listing agent was like, we want you to have this house. They spoke French. I spoke French to them. I was like, okay, this is great. I'm buttering them up. The people who own the house were French. The listing agent was Swiss, but spoke French. And I was like, oh yeah. And they're like, yeah, we want you to have a house. Why don't you have a house? I was like, this is great. House went for $1.7 million. And of course, that was like an underbid, you know, however they do that, that bullshit psychological, whatever, low pricing. So I was like, okay, great. I'm going to give you a healthy offer. I gave him a healthy offer, you know, talk to my real estate agent and everything. I sent it to them and I was like, okay, this sounds like this is going to go through. And then they're like, ah, sorry. They went with this, this other person. Oh really? What did they offer? They offered 1.2 million on top of the adjusted asking price with no waving all the inspections, contingents. And it was cash that happened. That happened to me three times. And it was, it felt like, it felt like the city or life was like, oh, you want a house? I'll give you a little bit of hope. And then I'm just going to, then there's going to be a team that just goes out and says, we're going to outbid you. And we're going to just wave all the, there's no way you're going to compete with it. And I thought about that. And I have friends that are like trying to find apartments right now. And even in Great Falls, Montana, where, in where I'm from, and it, I think some property value went up. I don't know, a huge percentage. Californians moving in. Well, we get Yellowstone, man. Yellowstone. They tricked everybody. Yellowstone. They're going to be a rancher. When I heard about that, no, well, no, not even that. It was just like, like everyone thought, I thought like, Oh yeah, a TV production, promoting that area, like whatever that, that should bring in money, right? It did. But now every Montana, cause Montana's already, it's like, I have the same, I feel the same way. I'm like, just visit, don't, don't move here, but just come and visit. You know, that's, that's always been my vibe growing up. All my friends have the same vibe. They're just like, just, just come here and, you know, check it out. And then, you know, we'll see you a little bit later and you're always welcome back. And that's always been the vibe. And now it's like, almost militant now, like people are really like, do not come in here. Don't, don't please. But you can't do that. You can't stop people from doing that. I know you can't, I know you can't, but I'm just saying that it got harsher because of this show and how it changed the economy and Bozeman, I mean, they call Bozeman Bozangeles. And, and, and now no one can, no one can buy a house there. I have, I have a couple of friends who are like, we couldn't buy in Bozeman. We had to, we had to move somewhere else and like prices are going up everywhere. Where do they get that 30 below winter for five weeks in a row? Yeah. What in the fuck did I sign up for? I think a lot of people don't understand what they're getting into. That shit is on the border of Canada, son. That's up there. I mean, I feel, I feel safe about Great Falls. Great Falls isn't necessarily a destination. So I mean, there's not, not to, I mean, there are great things. There's like, maybe just stop talking about it. Lewis and Clark. Oh, I know. Yeah. Don't, don't come here, man. Great Falls, man. There's nothing there. It's like forest fires. There's like deer that are really aggressive, aggressive deer, aggressive deer. But you know what I mean? I just like the, the times are kind of, I'm like, if an AI could just do a theoretical, it doesn't have to be implemented, but theoretically like ingested all of the government, all the legislation that all the laws that exist and you say, give it a simple thing. Like, how can we balance all of the spending and how can we contribute to things that will solve problems to make our lives feel more like, Hey, you can go out in the street and go, how are you doing, man? I'm not, not too bad. They're like, okay, great. If that was the criteria, I would be interesting to see what it came up with. Yeah. But you're never going to stop supply and demand. You're never going to stop a place that's awesome from getting people to find out that it's awesome and wanting to live there. And then you never stop people from raising the price of their, their real estate because the demand is there and then they sell it and then it raises property values. No, I mean, of course, I understand that. It's called progress. I understand that. However, you live in Los Angeles. I live in, I live in Los Angeles. Literally the product of that. I know, I know the Los Angeles, I know, I know. Believe me. I feel it. Perfect weather. Everybody moved there. You ever see Los Angeles? Remember when Jerry's Famous Deli was open back in the day, you'd be able to see these photographs of the valley from like the 1800s. They had these old black and white photos where it was all dirt roads or orchards. There was nobody there. Yes, I know. That was a hundred years ago, man. I know. 200 years ago. Now it's fucking psychotic. Now it's bumper to bumper traffic and spray paint and cement everywhere. I know, I know. I have a friend, from Wyoming. I think I talked about her on the show and Kirsten Joy Weiss. Yeah, I talked about her. Sharf shooter. We have the most amazing conversations because she's like, she's not, I wouldn't say she's conservative, but she's a constitutionalist and has her beliefs. She's Christian. She even talked to me on the phone. She's like, listen, I'm a white Christian woman living in Wyoming, in Cody, Wyoming, and I love guns. We have the most amazing conversations. It's great. We usually unify on science fiction, but she's terrified or she said, sorry, Kirsten, but at one point she was like, I'm apprehensive about going to California because what I see is destruction, gangs and violence and all this stuff. I'm like, I don't know, man. I know that it happens. I've had friends, cars broken into those types of things, but in general, I don't experience that. Then that also comes down to me just going, why don't you just come to LA and I'll show you, nowhere is going to be perfect wherever you're going to live. There's going to be some kind of a limitation. You're either not going to have the culture that you're looking for. You're not going to have access to the foods that you want, but you're going to get this, but you're going to get this, but you might not get this. I think for me, it's like, I want to live in places, but not have any fear based off of the projection from fear-based projections. I don't know. Right, but there's a reality of the elevation of violence in Los Angeles that's legitimate, and also the diminishing of police. That's all real. Yeah, it is. Although I will say, this is weird, but I will say that there's a certain amount of that. This is weird to say, but sometimes when things get hostile or let's say more chaotic, I kind of go, oh, here's an opportunity. I think it's an opportunity in the sense that it makes people reformat their association to things like police. There's more violence, and now we have less police. It's like, was the answer less police? I don't think the answer was less police. I think it was about better trained police. I think they went too far. Right. When you have these opportunities in life where you're like, this moment where people are like, maybe we should question the way we do things, but then the response is to overshoot and over compensate. Now you've got this, I don't know. Well, it's also a problem that people have an opinion based on an ideology that they subscribe to. Yes. Say if you have a leftist ideology and you subscribe to that, then you have some very specific ... I bet I know where you stand on climate change. I bet I know where you stand on many issues. The problem with that is if your tribe all agrees to something, you signal to your tribe by also agreeing to it, and it's much easier than having a real objective conversation about the realities of that thing and not being attached to these ideas, but just saying, well, what are the realities of these things? Yes. Yes. I always call it the 10% rule. I may believe in something and think about it and go, yeah, that makes sense for me, but I always leave 10% margin of me being completely wrong or me misunderstanding the whole situation because I can't hold on to something so fervently because I have all kinds of friends. I have conservative friends. I have anarchist friends. I have agnostic friends, whatever. I have religious friends. I have leftist friends, but the thing that brings us together is that we can have conversations about issues. And if I bring up something like something that is a counter to what they believe, they're at least listening and they're like, that's interesting. Well, yeah, if we incorporate a little bit of what you're talking about into what we're doing and we kind of deescalate on here, we can arrive at something that's a little bit more rational and works for more people. What's stunning how mostly attached people are oftentimes to subjects that they're not even informed on. Oh, yes. Of course. When you really have a conversation with them about the actual data, they fall apart because they're ideologically driven. They're camp, whether they're a right-wing conservative or a left-wing progressive, their camp believes a certain thing. And so they're locked in on this certain thing as being correct. And then emotionally they respond to a differing opinion. And that is just rough, man. Those are rough conversations. I don't enjoy them. I really enjoy having conversations with people that I disagree with that are polite and kind and objective and fair. Those are great conversations because they're stimulating. I get to see how you think about things and why you think about these things. And those conversations are so important. And for whatever reason, nowadays people don't want to have them anymore. They want to like, I think it's a social media artifact. 100%. It's social media and that you can interact and you can say something. The thing is like, if something affects you emotionally, you can immediately state how you're feeling. And the context is so limited on that statement. I've gotten into, I go on Twitter, I'm not going to call it X, but I go on Twitter and I have these discussions with some people that are like, oh, there is no way, whatever I say. And I'm always practicing different hacks. I'm like, okay, well, maybe I'll just go in with, you're obviously in, you're just some insecurity that you're feeling and you're feeling frustration. And so you're kind of like, you're kind of expounding these things because it kind of gives you an energy in the moment that makes you feel as though you're doing something. And often their replies is generally more of the same, but slightly different information. And I'm like, okay, I see you're not in the mode where you want to have a conversation. We're not having a face-to-face conversation. You're trying to win. You're playing a game. And I'm not into winning. I just want to come to an understanding because there's nothing better. One of my favorite highs in the world, and I love drugs, but my favorite high in the world is when I had a conversation, this is just an example. I was in Montana, back steps of my friend Wally's house, his next door neighbor was an armorer in the Iraq war, was responsible for, I don't know, I think it was a battalion's worth of weapons. And it was only he and another guy that were monitoring these things. So he has all these stories and his viewpoint on all kinds of things that are, he's definitely more conservative lady. I had this conversation about the perspective from people who are, it was a police issue and I was saying like, well, police need to be better trained. It's like, it's not necessarily about getting rid of them, but I believe that they need better training in other countries. Police go to school for two and a half years before they even get out. So there's a different difference in quality. And we kind of went back and forth and I saw his eyes narrowing and it was just kind of like steaming up a little bit. But then the more we talked about it and the more I said, like, I understand where you're coming from. I get where you're coming from. And I'm not saying the opposite of what you're talking about. What I'm looking for is a solution of perspective. And I saw him cool off. It was crazy. It cooled off. And we left, he's still going to believe what he's believing, but it did not escalate and it was feeling kind of a little dangerous. And then it was fine. And I'm like, the more that we can have these conversations, people aren't what they are for their entire lives. They aren't even what they are necessarily in any given moment. Because when we get information that we can tap into and feel and get it from somebody instead of these tiny little bite-sized nuggets that are like decontextualized, then it's brilliant. And I get off on that. That's my biggest high in the world. It's like my friend's going like, this about this. And I'm like, okay, okay, I hear you, but what about this? And they're just like, oh, no, no, but check this out. And they're like, oh, well, you know, I don't know what it is. I get off on it. That's a wonderful thing about some drugs. Yes, that's true. Because some drugs, like for me, it's marijuana. Marijuana makes me so much more considerate of other people's perspectives and feelings. Because I'm much more sensitive when I'm on it. So when I'm talking to someone, I'm so much less likely to engage in like a real disagreement. You know, it'll be much more passive, much more like, okay, I see what you're saying. Okay, so you feel that like reaffirm and then have you considered. And this is a thing. And I also, I say this all the time, because it's a very important thing to say, I've tried very hard to not be connected to my ideas, that these are just ideas. And I as an individual, as a separate being, a conscious being, am engaging with these ideas. But I don't claim them as my own to the point where I'm married to them and I fight for them. And these are my fucking, these are my ideas. And I stand by them. You're dying on that hill. There's only a few. Sure. Like, you know, there's a few. Yeah. Right? But most things, I'm like, I want to know why you think the way you think. And that's one of the beautiful things about having a podcast is I have so many conversations with so many people that have completely different perspectives. You get this chance to explore them. Totally. And it's funny. It's like, I have this concept where I talk about, I don't, I kind of believe that we all play characters of ourselves. Like we kind of have a character version of ourselves, but then there's the actor, right? Or if you want to use in car terms, there's a pilot or there's a driver, and then there's a machine. And how I like to think of it is, I like to address the actor or the piece of consciousness that's inside of the character that's like playing the character. And generally, that works really well. Because if I'm making an effort to speak to that part, and then to kind of like try to see myself from their perspective, people sense that. They sense that you're making an effort, and they appreciate it because you're recognizing the sovereign being that they are. Not necessarily all the stuff around them. I've talked to like people that are like super into conspiracy theories, and they're really down into this crazy zone where it's like, if you're talking about encryption, it's asymmetrical. There's no way you're hacking that. But you just skip to the quantum level and just talk to the consciousness. And I know it sounds kind of esoteric, but it's like it works. Because I want to respect, I want to give everyone the respect of them and acknowledge that they are a being on the planet, they're human being, and they exist. But it's also you as a human. You're a really nice guy. And every conversation I've had with you has been kind of consistent like that. You're just a nice person. You genuinely want to get along with people. And you genuinely want like a real discourse, a real conversation. True. Some people aren't into that game. I know. And when you encounter those people, like if someone says, no, I want to fucking play tennis. And you're like, but we're playing ping pong, man. No, no, no, fucking tennis. You got to go, okay, I want to play ping pong, you want to play tennis, and just have a nice day. I'm not going to play tennis. What if we play tennis? What is the one pickleball? Pickleball. Pickleball is really fun. Oh my god. Yeah, I hear that too. But I won't just because of the name. I can't. But, but no, it's true. It's like, I just, I just, I don't know. I think that we're here and we might as well have a good time. Yeah. So like, yeah, be as nice as you can. Like, kindness. That's all I'm looking for. Kindness is like, if I feel like someone's being kind of great, I've run into tons of assholes that I've seen like treat people like shit. But most of the time I can get in there. If I can get in there, and they'll go like, oh, that's cool. I respect you, man. I'm like, okay, great. Because I respect you too. But also don't do that shit. Like, like you could do stuff different. Yeah. And, and they'll come back at you and you'll get an energy that you actually want. Right. Well, that's the thing too. Like some people say, look, I met that guy when he was an asshole. Okay, well, how were you? Because when I met him, he's really nice. Yeah, totally. Like, how did you engage with this person? Yeah. You know, some people, it's like, who you are is oftentimes a product of who you're talking to too. Like who you are in that moment is oftentimes how this person receives you and how they're talking to you. A hundred percent, man. It's like, I, there's nothing I love more than like someone like, and I'm just like, hey, what's going on? Oh, are you okay? Like, but you know, and they're like, why do you care? You know, it's like, well, because I don't know, I dig you. If someone's coming at me, there's definitely times where I will push back on somebody if they're being a dick to me, but I love figuring out a way to be, again, like asymmetrical or just, just illogical to them, irrational to them. Because like, if someone's like, I'm going to do something that I'm expecting a certain reaction from that generally I get when I do it. And then I, they're like, here's some scrambled eggs. And then I give them back a hat with like, you know, a lizard crawling around it. And I'm like, here's the, and they're like, what, what is this? And then when they're in that confused state, it's, that's the opportunity where you can just be like, man, this is silly. What are you doing? Like we don't, you don't have to be this way. It's, there's like, life is awesome. I mean, and I know it's hard to see for some people. They're really, really affected by their environment. They're affected by the way they've been treated. They've affected by all kinds of things, but guaranteed, like you play, if an amazing acapella singer started singing, generally someone will be like, oh shit, that's amazing. And that's those types of things. Those are the moments where you realize like, oh, we're all in this, we're on this together. There's, you're not getting rid of people by like, like you're not going to become happier because you're going to control the situation. Absolutely. Like that's not really how it works. There's more power in being collaborative and you can stay, and it doesn't mean you have to give up everything. I think people, they're too binary. They're like, well, if I give up here, now I've lost everything. It's not true. It's like you become stronger when you become better at collaborating. Yeah. And you create alliances. Yeah. And that's cool. And you can have rivalries. I mean, rivalries I think are fun if they're not violent. It's like, I think that rivalries are like, you know, I hate that douchebag or whatever. I love, like, I always practice like fake negative, like fake negative stuff where we're just like, yeah, that guy's just such a dick or whatever. And just like, yeah. And everyone's like, yeah, such a dick. I mean, look at the way you just help that guy or whatever. And I love it because it's like, well, you can kind of exercise a little bit of the real thing, but it's not real, you know? So it lets off steam. Yeah. And I mean, you know about this. Comedians do it all the time to each other. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the time. It's razzing. God, it's so much fun to do that with comedians. It's the best. And it's such a bummer when you try that on regular people. Oh no. They do not get it. You're like, right? And they're like, okay. Yeah. It's like, especially through text messages, like some of my comedian friends, it's, I love the ridiculous text messages. We'll text message to the most horrific shit, the most ridiculous shit back and forth to each other, just so cutting to each other and just laughing. Everyone's laughing. And it's fun. I know. It's fun. You're sparring. I know you're sparring. And that's what the thing, I mean, it's like, you know, in love. It's a fun. Totally. Yeah. Like the reason why they can say those things to you is because you know, they love you and you love them. And it's fun and it's funny and it's, it's funny. And it's, it's the best. I mean, I don't know. That's my thing. Also, you know, I'm an artist. So for me, when I see art, it's like, we're all intersected by art. Art is a great unifier because it just goes straight to the, the initial core of what being a human being is about, which is a curious, creative, problem solving adventurer. Like that's generally what human beings are. They're like, what's over there? How does that work? Yeah. Oh, I bet you I could make this. Hey, what are you working on? Can I help you? Whatever. Can you help me? Whatever. I think it's that. But then again, when people are in survival mode, all the bad shit happens. And then you get people taking advantage of people in those bad situations. And then they're harnessing, they're extending their disappointment with life and themselves onto those people. And then they start motivating and you're just guys, guys, guys, show the fuck out. Human beings have a certain amount of conflict and problem solving that they have to address on a daily basis in order to be balanced. Certainly. And I think the more you can do that with yourself, the better off you are with other people. By controlled adversity, doing things that are difficult is the most important for me. If I don't work out a couple of days in a row, I'm a different person. And I know that seems like, well, you got a problem. Yeah, I do have a problem. Most of it's genetic. I'm pretty sure. But my problem, it has a very simple solution that I've been practicing for decades. And I understand it. And I know how to mitigate that problem. And when I do, I'm a much better person. And so I do that. But when I don't do that for a few days, I feel like a lot of people feel all the time. And just the touch of it, just a touch of it. I don't have decades of it compiled with alcoholism and fucking drug abuse and problems and stress and lack of sleep and poor diet and all these other contributing factors that make you a fucking maniac and environment. So I just have a touch of it after a couple of days. I'm like, ooh, I feel fucking irritable. This is not a good way. This is the opposite of ketamine. This is not a good way to interface with people. If I'm tense and worked up and I run into someone and they're taking too long to talk, they're just blobbing and blah. I'm like, okay, get to the fucking point. Come on, man. But I'll say it that way. Come on, man. Get to the point. And then that person's like, hey, you're fucking rude. That guy's rude. Oh, you're giving me a fucking ear beating. Like, oh my God, he's hostile. Like, I'm sorry, I'm tense. But if I was high and worked out, I'd be like, I see where you're coming from. I'd maybe joke around a little bit. Like, does this story have an end? Yeah, right. Like, with a smile. Just make fun of the situation. Like, I see what you're saying, but running that time here. I gotta get out of here. I do the thing where I could like rapidly basically describe what they're like getting to the point at what someone's describing, like very rapidly. And then like going, like, is that what you mean? And then they'll be like, oh yeah, okay, now let's move to the next thing. But then they want to keep going and expand on it so it's their own. That's true. But there's also a problem that some people just suck at talking. Of course. Some people are just not very good at it and they're practicing on you. Like, they're practicing. That's true. Yeah, that's very frustrating. People talking at you. Man, I'm telling you, man, it's like, it's interesting. When I have friends that are like high visibility friends or, you know, people that are in the spotlight and I see how they interact with people, you know, and they might not even be friends. So maybe I met a gathering or something like the AmE's party or something like that. And I love like watching all the social interactions and seeing how they do it. Like the other night I met, I was at Sarah Silverman's rooftop party and it was like all these amazing people were up there. It was really cool to see everybody. We hadn't seen each other in a long time. All the people I grew up with doing comedy in 2003 and little tiny club in New York, whatever. It's like, look at us now. You know, it's like, this is cool. We did good. Or goodish. And anyways, Owen Wilson was up there and I noticed a strategy that he used, which I thought was kind of interesting, which was he was leaving and he had kind of met me before, but I don't think he recognized who I was. I didn't think he knew who I was. But he had like this way of like, I'm accepting positive energy. I'm reflecting it immediately, but I also have the momentum of I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yes. And I loved seeing that. I was like, I've done that. I know what it is. And, um, and, you know, I don't know. It's like you deal with a lot of people. You kind of have to either you're just like, I don't know. I'm terrible with people. I'm not going to these things where I'm out or I, at this point, any, the way anybody behaves towards me, I'm not really shocked. I've seen almost everything. I've seen shortness. I've seen people that other people think are rude, but they might be on the spectrum and they don't know how to, they just jump into something as though you've been talking for like hours and assume that you know what they're talking about. In those cases, like I've developed a lot of patience for that. So like a try. And when I'm with my friends, I'm like, I'm like, they're like, whoa, you were really patient with that person. I was like, it's the only way I can do it. It's, it's because I have to give people a little bit of time. I don't want them to take advantage of me, but I got to give them at least a little bit of time to hear what they're talking about. Because fuck man, the worst thing, my worst nightmare is like the more successful I get, the more detached I become from the general human populace. I can't, I can't do it. Most of the places I hang out with, I had a friend who gave me a compliment once they were like, you're like, you're like a famous famous person that doesn't live their life like a famous person. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna fucking do that shit. I'm going to the DIY spaces. I'm helping someone with their flat tire, you know, whatever. It's like, nothing changed. I just have more, some, some more resources so I can like do some different things or I have access to a great podcast like this, you know, or get to hang out with like really cool people. But in general, I just like being a person and hopefully, you know, by me being patient, people observing that they're like, Oh, maybe, maybe I can incorporate a little bit. The problem is you do open up the door for grifters. Like there's a lot of people that have gotten my phone number. I should have gotten my phone number. Oh, really? You mean like, oh, get things from me and trying to get me to do things for them. Of course, of course. Get people to do this and that. And can you connect me with this person? You know, you block them, whatever, you don't block them. You don't block them? You just let you change my phone number. Oh, really? I have a new one. I have to give it to you. Oh, okay. Good. Good to know. I use initially, I have not changed my number since 1998 when I first got singular. Oh my God. I signed up on singular. But I will say this, I think some of my friends who have to change their numbers. I mean, you're dealing with stuff like the crowds that you're dealing with, like fighting, you're interviewing a lot of people that have all kinds of crazy different perspectives. So the interest is high. And so people want to have access to that. For me, it's like, I'm a silly guy. You're a cool guy. I'm just a silly guy. You can't give them anything. Yeah. It's like, I don't really, what are they going to, they're going to ask me like, hey, can you do my show? Right. Well, that's, it gets to the point where like, if you're a hot woman and a guy's being nice to you, you don't, you don't think, oh, this guy's just being nice to me. Like this guy wants to have sex with me. So that's always on the table. And so when someone's being nice to me, I have to always go, are you trying to get something or are you just nice? Yes. And then it's always like, Hey, I have this business that I'd really like to talk to you about. Like, fuck. I know. I know. I know. I know. I mean, it's that way for me, but it's mostly about like a show. Like it's always like, can you do my show? Right. Or can you do a voice on my animation thing or something? Well, some of that's cool. No, that's fun. It's super cool, but like, I'm prepared for it, but it's less stakes than what you're kind of talking about. So I can like, at a certain level, it gets super weird. Like I have friends that are really like post Malone. He's really famous. He changes his number all the time. Really? Just has to, just has to fucking finish. I get it. I get it. I mean, everybody's trying to do something with that guy. It's just like everyone's pulling at you. Everybody wants something and they look at you as not just a human being, but as a potential for them to step higher. Dollar signs. Yeah. Yeah. Dollar signs. Success and also social success. Yeah. You can be seen, you know, with that person. If you, you, you travel with that person, you do things with that person, it elevates your social status. Oh, a hundred percent. If you're homies with post Malone and you walk into a club, like you're the fucking man. Yeah. You were with post Malone. Yeah. I'm always like, when I'm with friends, like on that level, I'm a little bit, I'm so sensitive to that dynamic that I kind of like go, I make myself so small and it's like, there's a point of it where now my psychologist is like, you got, or my psychiatrist or psychologist, she's, she's like, it's okay to be a little bit. You can own some of your achievements, but you don't have to be an, cause I'm like, well, if I do that, then I'll be an asshole. It's like, no, that's not, that's not true. You can still be who you are. Some of your achievements are real. It's like, like if someone wants to talk to you about music and they're saying a bunch of nonsense and you're like, Hey, I'm actually a musician. I do love it. I'm just like, cool. Right. No, I go, you know what? And then I kind of, what I do is I like, I add information to kind of fill out their picture and then they'll sometimes be like, Oh, Oh yeah. Yeah. That. And I'm like, well, at least I'll, I'll teach you something without saying like, let me teach you something. The only place I have no room for that is things that are just rock solid and concrete. Like where there's, there's no debate about the, I mean, like the earth is around those kinds of things and, uh, in martial arts too. So I've, I get in martial arts conversations with people that have some ridiculous ideas and I have to say, stop, stop, stop. This is, of course, you're dealing with a very complex thing and you have very limited knowledge. Yeah. You're talking to an actual expert. I don't like that. I don't like these conversations. I don't want, I, if you come into it with humility, but if you come into it, telling me that you, you have this fucking thing that you figured out that no one else has figured out and like, yeah, it's less, it's delusional vibes and that sucks. Have you ever been asked to, to help with fight choreography and things like for films and things like that? No, no, I've asked, been asked to do them, but I don't want to, I don't like acting. Oh, okay. I don't enjoy it. But even like coaching, like a scene to make it look more realistic? No, no, there's guys that do that are excellent. I'm not needed. You know, it's like, you know, someone's not a comic teaching people comedy. It's a very specific skill to make it look good on camera. That's true. It's different than actual. Yeah. It's angles and like, there's certain that like contact, like there's certain things you actually have to make contact with a person in order for it to be realistic. So you have to be really good at that. True. And you have to be good at pulling shots. Oh yeah. God, that's, I could imagine. Yeah. Yeah. You have to hit people and not hurt them. And that's a real issue with like, that there was always stories about certain action stars that would do fight scenes and hurt the stunt people on purpose and stunt guys would be fucking furious. Oh my God. Cause this guy would actually hit them on purpose and you knew he was doing it and it did make the scenes look realistic, but that was not what they had prepared. Right. You know, it's all about expectations. Because it's like someone's getting free shots on you. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I wrote a book. Oh, what's your book about? Fight choreography. I was like, I should slip that in a little bit. It is about fight choreography. And that's why I was, well, it took a long time, but I was steering us in that direction. Um, now it's just called Great Falls, Montana. And so it's an autobiography about me growing up. How nice. Um, and how long did it take to write that? Was that a pandemic project? This is pandemic project. Yeah. Nice. Year and a half year and a half, almost two years. Oh, there it is. There she is. Look at that. Out of control. Fro son. Uh, no, fast times. Post punk weirdos. A tale of coming home again. Reggie bots. Nice. Did you do an audio for it? I did. Yeah. I kind of didn't want to. Oh, so, so, so lazy. Oh, come on. But I know. I know. I wanted Fred Armisen to do it. No, I know. I know. I know. But you have a very distinct voice. That's someone's reading your life story with a different voice. That would suck. I thought it would just be like weird, but yes, you're right. You're right. It'll be weird, but it wouldn't be good. We were like, it's a good weird. It's like, no, but guys, isn't it funny? Like, no, I had Pee Wee Herman do my voice. Like what? Oh, it's like, no, it's we just wanted to hear you. Yeah. No, but it's, it's just like, I don't know. I mean, I wanted to do, I wasn't interested in ever making a book, but then I was like, not a biography. That sounds a little bit easier because then I'm just telling stories. Yeah. And it's about my high school times, which as you know, like the eighties were crazy time and we did crazy stuff. And I don't know. It's just, it was fun, fun to like just show like, this is how I am today. This is where this is why I love a good auto biography. Yeah. I mean, I hope it's good. A good, interesting, honest one. It's fascinating to listen to how people grew up and what they think and how they develop their thought process. And yeah, cause it's like, I don't know for me, it's, I mean, if you think about like all the components, it's like, well, okay, I've got white French mother from France, you know, African American father from Cleveland, Ohio. And you know, they meet in Europe, they, you know, we move around Europe and then I grow up in gray falls, Montana as this biracial weirdo kind of strange kid, you know, compared to the rest of the populace. And then just navigating that, but then also getting the fortune of it being in the eighties. It's a, I don't know. It's like, I think like a lot of people, some people have read it, some friends have read it and they're like, um, like Anson Mount is reading it right now. And like Anson seems like that. He's the, he's the captain of the enterprise. He's got, which enterprise, uh, the new, the new one. He's, uh, it's, uh, uh, sorry, strange new worlds, Star Trek, strange new worlds. Oh, you're a Trekkie. I, I'm a science fiction lover. I do love Star Trek because I watched it with my dad. I love it. I love it. But I love all, I love it all. But yes, I, I just, the new ones really got me because it does capture the spirit of the old cause it's, it's just before the original series, which before, yeah, before. So it's captain Pike. So that's Anson right there. And this is on what, how do you, uh, this paramount plus it's good to me. I was like worried about it cause Voyager is like great hair. It's Anson's awesome. Anson's like, he plays the part in this really great way. Like he's like the guy that you would want to tell all your problems to, you know, on the show. And he's a great actor and he's always been really cool with me, but, um, he's done a lot of stuff, but this was the, this is the one. Finally, this is a role that like, do they have the internet and the new Star Trek shows? Uh, Oh, is there, is there an internet? What do you mean? Yeah. Do they have internet? Like, can they Google things? I think they, of course they have the ship's computer, right? It's like artificial intelligence. I don't know. They never actually, you never hear about that. Well, maybe you do hear about that, but on this show, no, it's just like, you know, they send emails. I think it's, I think it's old down cause they're just like communicating. Isn't it funny that they never even thought of a phone that would work from space. They thought of it as a walkie talkie Kirk out. I know. Like, yeah, he had a talk and then he had to wait for the other person to talk. I know. Like walkie talkie. It's like, hello, over, hello, over. But I mean, it's like, what it came up in the sixties or whatever, but the new one, actually there's a joke about it because a guy from the future comes into them and he's, he's from the Federation. So he's got the thing that you just hit the badge and they're like, we've analyzed it. And apparently it's a communicator. And then Anson's character is just like, yeah, but flipping open the thing, that's, that's the funnest part of the best part. That was like, that's true. Imagine talking on a walkie talkie to your friend when she's not on ketamine. Oh my God. With the Ramblin. Oh my God. Well, you'd have to, over never comes. There's just over with never. Are you kidding? You'd miss like, I don't know how much you'd miss. You'd miss a lot. And if you had to tell her something like really important, there's a monster headed your way. Like you wouldn't be able to get to it. Cause you'd be like today was like, okay, I feel, I don't, maybe what's happening. I'm not sure if there's a monster in your neighborhood. It's like, no, there's a thing you've got to get out of there. And they're just like, yeah, but all of reality is made of particles. So those particles are the essence of perception. I mean, God, I couldn't know. I've done some functional things on K before, which were pretty surprising. Well, things that you're supposed to be functional for. I think the first time I did a lozenge, it was a 200 milligram lozenge and except prescription for it. What is the prescription for it? What does the doctor say when they write that prescription? He likes to get high. It's like, it's like he really is into, he's a psychonaut. I don't know. No, I mean, it was, it's kind of like, it's for therapeutic reasons, but you can like, it's a friend of a friend. So I was like, well, let me experience this. Cause I want to know what this, what is this like? But I took the, I took it and I did a live stream and it was during the pandemic and I didn't know how high I was going to get, but I just set up the equipment. I had to problem solve a bunch of stuff and I totally did it successfully. No one knew that I was high. And that's not, that's my secret. I will say it's the one strength I have on psychedelics. I can always do an impression of a non-high me unless like my eyes are crazy, but generally people are like, I didn't know you were high. It's like, no, no, I was completely peeking on acid. And they're like, that's impossible. I'm like, no, it's like, it's something I actually like to practice. Cause it's, it's fun. Practice normalcy. Yeah. Like I'll do it. Like oftentimes my friends are like, we're like all really high on K or something like that. Guys, I'm going to do an impression. This is my favorite thing. I'm going to do an impression of a normal person. And so I'll like get up and go like, Oh man, I forgot to do this thing. Oh shit. Um, Hey, when you get a chance, can you call so and so or whatever? And then like go over and like wash my hands and like, you know, just do normal person stuff. And there's something about like trying to find your center in the middle of a storm that I feel is kind of like, it's like strapping on weights on your ankle or wearing a weighted vest in training. It's like, it's a way of like, uh, kind of challenging yourself to the point at which you hopefully make a goal by like achieving some something. Yeah. But I don't know if that's a little too weird. Well, it's also, you're comfortable with that state, you know, for someone who's never experienced that state before it becomes overwhelming. And then you kind of like give into the anxiety of the moment in your, that's the thing about bad trips, right? A lot of it is people fighting it, struggling with the trip and not wanting to accept it, not wanting to let go and give in. Totally. It's a big factor. Totally. I mean, I get it. And that's why generally it's hard for me to find people that are just down, you know, like if I'm like, Hey, do you want to do, whenever I see Academy and feels like it's, I'm saying like the heaviest thing in the world, because either people are like, it's horse tranquilizers. Um, it's K hole, which is thought of as negative. Um, or they're thinking of like party vibes, like we're just like doing bumps and you're like, Oh, I'm dancing. Here's a bump and bump. It's like, generally when I do care, fucking, fucking do Kay. Like I want to, I want to be in there. I want to like get in there. And so when people come around or like, that's all I know about it. I'm like, you know what, come over to my house. I don't know if people have come up, I should be a coach or something. People come over to my house all the time. They're like, I don't know, man. Uh, I don't know. I'm like, trust me, I'm really good at dosing. That's always my line. But it's true. People will be like, Oh, it was just like you said, that was great. I was like, I guarantee you'll ask me for another bump. And then they'll be like, no, there's no way. And then like, Oh, can I have another bump? I was like, I told you it's a great, it's all about set and setting. And I like to have fun. So, but anyways, I, I, someone went into a K hole at my club the other night. No. Yeah. Some lady was like, no. In the audience. Yeah. Boy, he's doing ketamine. Yeah. They had to get her assistance. The good thing is it's over in 20 minutes. There's a lot of that out here. Doing the nasal spray. That's what you heard the nasal spray thing. Yeah. I, uh, recreationally. And I heard it was like kind of, uh, uh, your engineer was saying that it was like, uh, kind of a, um, uh, tech bro thing, which I'm like, well, I would call Jamie a producer. Well, then an engineer. Okay. I apologize. I was deeply apologize, but I produce now. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Um, yeah, it's a tricky one. Okay. Cause it just the connotations, the negative connotations. Yeah. And also where people do it. It's like, don't do it at a comedy club. I was like, like, why would you don't do that much or do yeah. The thing about those nasal sprays is no one can stop you from just fucking keep hammering that thing. It's too convenient. It's too convenient. Next thing you know, your, your hand has a metallic claw and you're in another dimension pumping it. Oh my God, man, this, the safety, there's nothing that feels more unsafe than when you're like really high on K and you're in an extremely public place. It is. It's quite the challenge. I usually I just tell people, I just tell them just so they know they're like, Hey man. I'm like, I'm really high right now on K and usually people are like, Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. I've never done it like that. I've only tried it a little bit. Yeah. I've tried the therapeutic dose. Okay. It's kind of interesting. Yeah. But too many people I know are too into it. And I'm like, that just seems fraught with peril. Yeah. There's definitely addiction problems. I tend to not have issues with that. I'm saying that I have food, I'm addicted to food, but I'm not like, if, like if I go on a tour and I don't have access to anything that I normally have access, cause I don't drink, I just basically do, you know, these feel free is and like, uh, uh, weed is definitely my constant, you know, especially edibles and, and then K that's kind of it at this point in my life. But if I go on tour and I don't have access to any of that, I don't really notice. Right. It could be weeks. And I'm like, uh, that's fortunate. Yeah. I feel very fortunate. That means you're not using it to cover something up probably. Yeah. Well, I'm not using it to hide, you know, I'm using it to experience. Yeah. I want to, I want to explore. Yeah. And there's nothing I've had like the, I've had crazy shit happen where I was at a cool party and, uh, this person had converted a room to make it look like the rain forest, like a Brazilian rain forest. And it had like Dolby 5.1 storm sounds and associated lighting. The lighting would change and stuff like that. And so in this dope room and there's like people on all kinds of things, but I was like really hot. I took a, I had a couple bumps and then I had a 200 milligram laws and I was with a friend of mine, Mason. And, uh, we just sat cross-legged and I put my hands like this and I just, I became a stature. I just froze. When you're saying bumps, are you saying you're sniffing it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sniffing it. Yeah. So, yeah. So like, just like, you know, a couple, you know, three bumps or whatever, you know, whatever coke, the coke variant, if you know, coke, what a bump is, it's about the same for Kevin. But I had one of those and we had the laws and the laws and kicked in and we went deep into a K hole. Interesting thing was there was a guy, he's probably like 20 feet away. There's people talking all over the place, storm systems, all this stuff. I hear this little voice like through the storm and like in the distance kind of like, Hey, if anybody's out there, um, I'm just, I'm having a crazy trip right now. And I responded, I'm pretty sure this is real. I responded in the quietest voice. I was like, no, I can totally hear you. What's, what's going on? We started having a conversation back and forth and Mason can attest to it. Cause he heard me talking. He's like, who are you talking to? I was like, I was talking to that guy over there and it was a real conversation. I was like, how is this possible? How can I be having this super quiet conversation? It's almost like quantum tunneling or something like that with this person. And that's happened more than once and where it's almost, I don't want to say it's celebrity. That's not, it's not, but I think that it is possible. I mean, they're, they are producing sound, but maybe the brain is able to completely like noise canceling, just take out all of the, the noise and focus on that voice. I've, I've had weird telepathic stuff on it. That's why I'm interested in like doing more research in different States and seeing what results can be reduced. You know, when they first discovered Harmin, they, they try to call it telepathy. Really? Yeah. What is that? Well, Harmin is a MOA inhibitor. That's a part of I wasca and many other, there was one that we talked about yesterday that Brian Murarescu brought up that was, it was a Harmin, what was it with Jamie? It was a lotus flower, right? That's what it was, right? That the ancient Egyptians used. It's an MAO inhibitor. So it, it stops mono amine oxidase in the gut. And that's what makes dimethyl tryptamine orally active. Oh, right. And so Harmin, when they, so when they first experienced these altered States, they were trying to isolate the compounds that were responsible for it. And one of them they decided was causing these telepathic experiences. And so they tried to call it telepathy. But because of scientific nomenclature, that had already been, it had already been discovered as Harmin. So they'd already been labeled as Harmin. So they kept it as Harmin. But for a while they were calling it telepathy. Because the people that were experiencing that were having these communications without words, and they were experiencing things in unison together. They were experiencing these visions that they felt like they were communicating with each other through this vision without talking. I mean, I completely believe it. I mean, I've, I've just, I've had too many incredible experiences on those types of especially dissociatives. I mean, this is a different substance that we're talking about, but I've had experiences where you're, I don't know what it is. Like, I've done crazy stuff where I don't have the greatest knees. And so I'm always, you know, try careful of it. I'm on ketamine. And suddenly I'm like on the ground doing that duck walk or whatever. No problem. You don't, you don't have the greatest knees in what way? Just not hot. No, I like hot knees guys. They're not sexy. They're not sexy. Maybe get them tattooed. Yeah, that's true. I'll just get the, I'll get a huge band around each one. No, it's just like, I have a low cartilage on the back of each kneecap. So from, so there's rub. It's just, I think it's just genetic, like just a genetic thing that happened. I also, I'm knock need. So I was, I was born with like not the greatest like knees and then knock feet is how does that work? So knock need, you know, it's like you're kind of, uh, your knees go in. Yeah. It's like, uh, you know, there's a physical therapist that can correct that with exercises. Yeah. Well, the, the shape of the, I mean, the, really the best thing for it. If I was a kid and maybe now too is riding horses, like riding horses. Interesting. Well, you remember, like, you know how they always say like cow cowboys are bowlegged because they're always in the stirrups and they're pushing around. Yeah. And so it makes their legs go out. So when I was a kid, they were like, if you ride horses, you can correct your knock needness. Could you correct your knock needness with like a machine, like one of those abductor adductor machines? I tried that for a while. I don't think it's strong. It's like you're, no matter how strong your muscles get, like that's such a structural thing to actually change the, you should talk to somebody that's an expert in that. I would. There's some people that have said that like pigeon toed people that you can unlearn that. For sure. Pigeon toed is like, that's a little bit more correctable for sure, because that's, that's orientation. That's like a conscious orientation, strengthening the right muscles. I think with the knee, I don't know, the knees just feel more like it's like a joint. It's like if you had a joint and you bent it, it's like the joints bent, but now you got to bend it back. Right. But what are you doing to fix that is what I'm asking. I'm just complaining. No, I, not, not a lot other than trying to make sure that my feet are in line. Oh, I'm doing a lot of Asian squats. Asian squats. Or like a deep squat. When you sit really deep in a squat. So I'll do that for about two minutes and I do it randomly. I'll be at a grocery store waiting in line. I'll just like get down and that helps my knees. It feels pretty good. It feels like it's kind of aligning something the more I do that. But you should probably do Hindu squats. What are the Hindu squats are? It's a great way to develop your leg muscles and strengthen your knees. Oh, it's a squat where when you go, it's an air squat. You just do it with your body weight. When you go down, you put your hands behind you and you raise your heels up off the ground. You touch your, uh, your fingertips to the ground. And then as you go up, your feet go down and you raise your arms in front of you. And so you breathe in like this, like that. Oh, see those. Oh, that's sick. Those are phenomenal. Wow. I do 100 of those every day. Wow. Now, now that's something I'm going to do because like, as I grow older, um, my whole thing is mobility and strength. And, um, and so, yeah, I mean, I do those and I also like to do it on a slant board. A slant board is nice too. So which, which direction? It forces your heels up at, at a 45 degree angle. And then because of that, it like, it really strengthens the muscles that are supportive muscles of your knee. Yeah. And it's a really good exercise for knee strengthening. That's, that's, that's a lot of knee strengthening stuff. A lot of it. I do it every day because I've had three knee surgeries and martial arts and so I was a little kid, so I have a bunch of knee issues. I got you. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, yeah, I will try any of that. Yeah, you have to do something. I can help you. I would love that. There's a, there's a great guy out there. So he's got an Instagram page called Knees Over Toes Guy and he takes people from step one, like with very little knee stability and strength. And he's got a multi-stage program where you slowly keep adding, adding more exercises, adding more resistance and strengthen the structure around your knee. Because a lot of the problems that people have is the knee is not supported well by the musculature, by your tendons and ligaments and muscles. It's not, it's not supported well. It's not strong enough. So it's unstable. And so it twists and moves and, and there's a lot of injuries that people have specifically because of that. I've made my, my knees much stronger since I've started this program. Man, I, I got to, I got to do that. That's like the one, probably the area that I think about the most. Like I don't have a flexibility. I have pretty good flexibility. Like all this stuff is good. I'm in like mobility. I can still have a lot of mobility. I just, my knees have always been the thing. But the last time, really why I stopped working out, I was doing, I was training all the time. Yeah, you were getting jacked. I was getting pretty jacked. I need to get rejacked, but, but I, I was doing a leg press and I think my feet were a little bit too low on the, on the plate. So I put too much pressure on my right knee and, and just something, it wasn't like a, a major kick or anything like that, but there was like, just, it didn't quite feel right after a certain press. I would not recommend leg presses. Yeah. Like what, like, I mean, if you're a body builder, and leg extensions, those are bad too. Well, they're not necessarily bad. Yeah. But it's just like what there's ways to strengthen your knees that aren't so problematic. And you know, I don't lift heavy weights. I don't, nothing I lift is high reps. Yeah. Well, the heaviest weight I lift is 70 pounds. Okay. It's kettlebells. Oh yeah. 70 pound kettlebells. It's the heaviest thing I pick up other than my own body weight, but the vast majority of the stuff that I do is body weight. And you can do some pretty extensive, you do a lot and you can really strengthen your legs with, with body weight exercises. But I also do lunges with dumbbells and things like that. I do a lot of different things, but leg presses, there's so many videos of people hyper extending their leg the wrong way with their ego lifting. And they have like a giant stack and then they lock their legs out and it pops back that way and they're screaming in agony and their knee is destroyed. I've seen so many of those online. That's something about my Instagram search algorithms. Horrific. Just keeps reminding you. It's like, remember this. I mean, so many of those gym fail things where people are squatting too much and their legs explode. I can't, I can't, I can't do that. I mean, you're not trying to be a body builder. So get off those things. Yeah. I mean, for me, it's like at this point, like I wanted to get jacked for specifically for a thing I was doing, but like now I'm more about, I just want to become like mobile and strong and that's it. That's all my, and however that looks, that's, that's how it looks. Yeah. That's all I do. I don't do anything for aesthetics, not one single thing. So it's all functional. All of it's functional and all of it is, it's either body weight exercises like chin ups, dips, pushups, body weight squats, pull ups. It's either those things or it's kettlebells. So all those things, they make you use your body as one thing. You know, your, your body has to, it's not an isolation exercise, which is, I just don't think that, that's not, it's not for me. I want something that helps my body do martial arts better, helps my body function better. Yeah. I don't fuck around with any, I mean, it's not, I'm not like shitting on them. If you want to get bigger and you want to look like a bodybuilder, yeah, there's a real clear way to do it. Those guys do it, but that's not what I'm interested in. Yeah. No, I get that. That's well, yeah, it's my next phase. I'm kind of moving into that. Cause like last year, my, my mother died and like all the, you know, post pandemic, like I just, I had a lot of stuff and it's like, and that injury happened. I was like, oh man. And so I got kind of, you know, just pudgy. And now I feel like probably the weakest I felt in a long time. Did you have a trainer before? I did, but it was so expensive. And now that I'm done with the late, late show, I have to watch my money a little bit until the next thing comes along. But like, I mean, I'm doing, I'm, I'm doing fine, but I do have to, but that's actually, I don't know. It almost be worth going bankrupt for that because it's like, I'd rather be, I want my health, you know, my health is the important thing for me in my life. And I started working these, these guys called, they call a bio coach. I don't know if you've heard of those guys, bio coach. So they deal with like metabolic health. And so I was working with them, they've given me a free couple of free months about it. But the biggest thing really is about, you know, I get like one of these CGM continuous glucose monitor things and keep my glucose levels in a certain level. And that's helped my energy a lot. So I'm not doing any sugar and bread and stuff like that. Oh, there you go. That's step one for everybody. Huge. And my inflammation, my knees have gone down. Of course. So those things cause inflammation. I know it's, it's crazy to me. And I know that like some people are like, I gotta have my sugar and I have, you know, it's like, but you don't, you don't, you don't, and you can once in a while, it's fine. But like, you know, get the motor running. I give myself a day, maybe once a week or every two weeks where I just eat some bullshit. Yeah. And I always go, Oh, I know. And it feels that was the, yeah. But I give myself that day if I feel tired, if I come out, like, I like to do it like late night, if I come home from the club and it's like one o'clock in the morning, I'm hungry. I'm like, fuck it. Yeah. Going to work out in the morning. Yep. Fuck around. Yeah. I always feeling, I know it afterwards, but it never, it never feels great. I give myself a little mouth pleasure. I mean, come on, myself a little fun. You gotta do what you gotta do. And you gotta take little cookie, you know, something little cookie. I, you know, it's now when I see like, when you, when you've been on that for a while, when you haven't been, you know, basically keto, but like, um, when you've been doing that a while now, when I see a snack tray or like, you know, I'm backstage and there's all these chips and stuff like that. I'm not even remotely interested in it. That's great. It's crazy. That's also your gut biome, your gut biome, you know, if you, if you eat a lot of sugar, a lot of carbs, like your, your body wants that, like, give me some of that stuff. I know. Yeah. What's the Paris, it becomes a parasite. It's a parasitic thinking. And that's like what I noticed for me, like when I'd be at home and now what I need to do is I need to get out of my, uh, I should work out. And then like, I go on the phone and it's like, Oh, it's too late to work out now. Cause I got this thing. So I guess I better just do the thing. I'll work out later. It never happens. Yeah. But the one thing I will say that's really helped me is, is dancing. Oh, well that's working out. That's, that's, that's my, like, cause I love to dance. You know, dance dance revolution made a lot of people lose weight. That's right. Right. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people lost weight because it's a game. Yeah. Playing a fun game that you get addicted to that actually makes you move your body and burn a lot of calories. Man, I love it. Cause isolated workouts, like it's cool. I can do treadmill, like treadmill. I can walk for an hour and just like, you know, 10% incline, whatever, three miles per hour. I'll just like watch stuff on, on YouTube. And I don't even notice and I feel great. I feel so good and like walking a lot is great, but my ultimate, if I'm going to do an isolated is, uh, hiking. Oh, hiking is great. Steep grade hiking. I don't know what happens to my brain, but I'm just like, Hey, like I'm just like, I gotta get up that Hill. It's natural. Something. Well, it's natural for human beings. It's a natural thing to do. Yeah. And also you're outside and hopefully have good scenery. It's nice. It fulfills you and all sorts of different ways. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just, yeah, right now in my life, I'm like, okay, post late, late show, what do I got going on? I got this book. I got, um, uh, you know, some other things in the works and some of the things I'm pitching, but mostly I'm just about, I want to do the stuff that I want to do and feel good about it. Enjoy your life. I'm going to enjoy my life. I'm going to Berlin for a couple of months just to go there and like produce music. And, um, Porsche always hooks me up with a car when I'm there. Oh, really? I just did my first track day. Did you? With like a real instructor. Oh sick. Isn't that fun? Oh my God. It was amazing. What were you in? I was in my cars. So I was in, uh, I took my four, brought all of them. No, I brought two of them. Okay. I brought my Ford GT and I brought my GT three RS. Whoa. Yeah. You have a GT three RS. Yeah. I have a 2007. Oh, okay. Oh my God. Shark works car. It's so fast and so light. That one was hard to handle that one. Like, boy, you feel really feel the difference between, you know, with all that damn force. Yeah. The rear. Well, the 2007s don't have the same kind of downforce as the 2023. 2023 has this massive wing. Yeah. Insane downforce. Yeah. And it's an incredible car. I did drive a modern, uh, 2023 GT three around the track as well that they had there. Oh, how was that? Much easier to handle than my car. My car is a wild bitch. It's so light and doesn't have any nanny stuff to it. There's no traction control, no nothing. It's a car full on track car that you could drive in the street. It's really fun, but God, the Ford GT was magic. I have a 2005 Ford GT and that thing is incredible. It just hugs the road. It wants you to like bend into the corners. It's got massive tires and giant engine right behind you. That's supercharged. Yeah. It sounds incredible. Low, wide. It feels low and wide. Oh my God. Man, I'm telling you. You know what the 2005s look like, right? Yeah, I think so. When did the new GTs come out? Was the first model years, 2003 or something? Well, the first one was the GT 40. That was a car that they use. That's that movie, uh, Ferrari versus Ford. Oh wait, but that was, yeah, that one even had the bubble top, right? When it went in the race for that guy's head or whatever, something bubble. I'll send this to Jamie so you can see mine. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's the one that I had. They came out with it again in like the early 2000s, I think 2004 or five. Yeah. And then there was a new one that they just came out with. That's just all paddle shifts. Mine's a man. Oh, oh wow. Okay. Mine is still a manual, but going around a track with an instructor, you realize why a paddle shifter is the way to go. Oh man. On the street, I really, that's my car. Oh, it's gorgeous, man. Look at that. Spiders. Nice. That is a clean machine. Oh my God. It's so low and so wide and it handles so well. It's just like when you're going around the corner, it's like, it just feels like this is what I want to do. It tells you like, yes, this is what we like. Plus it's got that sixties vibe to it. That's like pretty sweet. It's such a good looking car. I'm like, man. I am so stoked on, because I have Porsche Taycan Turbo S and I have a... That thing's amazing. That thing is, it's amazing. It's like, I mean, there's faster cars. You got the Plaid. Barely faster. If you find out that it's faster, you're a fucking asshole. I know. You have to be so crazy to take that Taycan Turbo S and try to compare it. I just remember like going up the Angeles National Forest, you know, Angeles Crest. So going up to the Crest, because there's that Friday meetup that happens, was it Good Vibes Breakfast Club? Jay Ryan and his wife, they started it. But so we always meet up there every Friday morning and that drive up there, especially if there's like no one ahead of you and you get those nice long stretches of curve. There was a motorcycle. We went up the back way. Motorcycle was behind me and he thought he was just going to decimate me or whatever. And he was, and I was like in front of him and then he was just gone. And he was like, I can't believe you lost me. I've never been able to lose somebody. He was like, on some super bike, like crazy. And he's a really experienced rider. He's like, you just disappeared. He's like, and you were staying between the yellow, you were staying in your lane the whole time. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, the Taycan I like, I like, because I have also a 911 Turbo S, 2022. So I have both those. The Turbo S is a nasty monster and, but it's more analog, you know, it's got like a grips, feels like a mountain goat. The Taycan is like, it's just like, it's a spaceship. Yeah. And it's all about weight management because it's so heavy. So also the weight is on the bottom. It's not where the batteries are. So the weight distribution is amazing. It's crazy, but it feels like a snowboard. I never snowboarded, but it feels like a snowboarding really, because it's like, I'm taking this corner. So it feels more like this, this, as opposed to a 911 is more like, it's like, it's like magnetically held to the ground. And it's just, it feels like it's crouching when it's going into a corner. And so it's a, it's a different experience. It's a little lighter rear, rear steer is amazing, but the Taycan is just, I, so I'm looking forward to, you know, a lighter Taycan. They can make a Taycan that's a third less weight. I'd almost, I'd take 80 miles of range to have a lighter Taycan. Well, if they had a two door, if they come up with a two door Taycan and make it the size of a 911. The Cayman's coming, the electric Cayman. Really? Yeah. Oh my God, that's going to be insane. Yeah. Or am I, is that right? Yeah. The 718. That's Cayman, right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's going to come out either 2024 or 2025. But I also heard that the new Macan Electric, which won't be called the Macan Electric, because I think they're just calling it the Macan, that everyone's saying like, that's, that's the joint. I don't think it's going to perform as well as a lower car, but. Right. Well, the X is a pretty fucking amazing car. Yeah. The Tesla X. Yeah. Jamie had one of those for a while. Yeah. Yeah. That's really that egg wagon is like a... Dude, that thing doesn't tip over. Okay. That thing literally doesn't tip over. You get nailed. If somebody T bones you, it doesn't tip over. Right. Because all the weights at the bottom of the thing. It's just like, we're boom. It's like lands back on its side. Man. So the handling of those things, because the weight is all on the bottom. Yeah. It's like almost, yeah, most of them. I mean, you know, but then it comes in, but then you get Porsche and then when you're in a Porsche, it always comes back. It's the shape of it. Oh, that's the moose, the moose test. What is that? That's not doing well. It's a Kia. Those things handle. I bet. Yeah. But it's funny. Like I've driven, you know, modern Teslas, I've driven an X, a Y, a three performance, but then you get into, like if you drive a, say an S, right? Like just like not even the non-plat or even a plaid, you're driving it. Whoa, this thing's fast. It's crazy. Right. And you just jump immediately into a Taycan. The driving feel is night and day. It's insane how different it is. Well, the Taycan's a Porsche. Yeah, I know. Their ergonomics are impeccable. The interior is, it's perfect. It's just, it's like, and I love it. And they've been so good to me. They've been really cool. They've invited me to all kinds of stuff. They've like took me to Goodwood. I'm super appreciative of those guys. They're really cool. They know how much passion I have about their cars and I'm so excited about their electric stuff. But I, and it's hard to go to another car. Like I was thinking about Lucid for a while is that, that, that new Sapphire that's coming out. That's like the fastest thing on the planet. Really? I haven't seen anything about that. I haven't seen that. Oh my God. Lucid Sapphire, three motor, 1100 horsepower or 1100 something, something that's like this cheeky number. And it is zero to 61.86 seconds. Their, their, their, their claim, there it is. Their claim is that it's basically all the performance. It's 90% of the performance of a Rimmatz Nevere for a 10th of the price. Wow. Look at that thing. That looks amazing. And that's all California made California designed California manufactured seats are great. Interior looks nice. Yeah. Look at that. That screen in the middle folds up. How reliable are these? I don't know. See, that's the thing about Tesla's very reliable, very reliable, but this is an electric car. So, you know, you're talking about three electric motors, Doug DeMuro. And who's this company, Lucid, how long have they been around for? They've been around for, I'm going to say like five or six years, something like that. It's the former, one of the executives from Tesla. It's his company. Oh, interesting. And, and the people that did the handling, their, their load X Lotus engineers. Oh, really? It's, it's insane. Yeah. And, uh, my, uh, my friend Johnny, uh, Lieberman, who's the one that, oh yeah. So Johnny, um, I kept going like, but I don't know the Ticons coming out with a three motor Ticon, you know, soon or whatever. He's like the Sapphire. I was like, are you sure? He's like, no, the Sapphire is the one I'm like, okay. Okay. So I haven't driven that, but I can't imagine like, you know, I see some more images of the outside of it. Jamie. It's, it's a sexy car, man. I, I, I mean, it used to be two tone. So the, the upper part was like this silver. Then they created this stealth paint job, which now it looks like a great car. The before, where do you get one though? Do you have to get it online? No, they have dealers. They have dealers. They have, they have, they have dealers. I don't know. It'd be interesting to hear the Sapphire, um, like the, the air that's a hundred horsepower. Yeah. Geez Louise. It's a, it's a nasty piece of machinery. It's, it's really, really dope. It's a cool piece, but I tried, I, I called them, I had a meeting with them and I was like, w what do you think about doing like a PR, you know, thing where like I hand over my Taycan, which I'll say the Taycan is probably slightly better looking. That's like, that's a good looking car, but the Taycan is a little bit better looking. Taycan's better looking. I have it in a coffee beige, which gets all the attention. Everyone's always like, oh my God, what's that color? What's that color? Let me see that. Pull up coffee beige Taycan Turbo S. Yeah. Want to see what that looks like. That's my, I love that. That color, when I got it, I was like, I don't know. I was going, I wanted to go for chalk, but then like coffee beige seemed warmer. And, um, yeah, it's coffee. Yeah, that's mine right there on the far, the far left. That's, that's what it looks like. Oh, that's nice. That's a better looking car. It's got like, and it's got the 9 11 roof line. Although my chrome, I don't have chroma. It's all blacked out, but, uh, but I have the same wheels and then he doesn't have the carbon fiber or sorry, didn't carbon fiber, but carbon. That's right. It's breaks. There we go. That's a beautiful car. It's a, it's better looking and it's all 20. It's 20%. I got 20 tents on the other thing. Anyways, point is, um, I'm just excited. I think Porsche between their E fuel that they're investing in, so you can like keep running their cars at an ecological balance, you know, because they're making this out of Chile. They, uh, they, I don't know how much if they can scale it, but they are running E fuel for the re for the races. So like sports, like the Porsche cups and stuff like that. What is E fuel? So E fuel is, um, it uses its process. It uses captured carbon, um, with some kind of a chemical process that produces a combustible or yeah, combustible fuel combustion fuel, I guess that's how you say. Um, and, uh, so you can just replace it. It's a direct, any car can use it. It's just fuel, but the way it's produced is zero uses zero emissions. So it's still combusts and I think it combusts at a lower, there's less carbon that's created, um, when it combusts and the process of making it is zero. So it becomes a ecological fuel. So they call it E fuel and they, of course they invested in that because they want to keep making combustion engines. Well, there's something about the sound of a combustion engine. Of course. Impossible to replicate. And when they try to do it, like fake it, it's so gross. I don't like the fake shit. I will say that the Tycon, their sport sound that comes on, yeah, it's like you can turn it on or when you go into sport mode, it turns on. All it is is an amplified version. There are microphones that are picking up the sound of the motors. As far as I understand it, I could be wrong with that, but I think that's how it was explained to me. And it just amplifies with some extra tonalities. So it gives it a little bit of a, like a, it almost sounds like a gear shifts, which is kind of weird. But for me, what it sounds like, you have a Tycon sound. Let's see. Well, that's going to be, that's it. That's the sound here. That low end that kicks in. That sounds dope. They tried to patent it recently in Europe. They wouldn't let them. So those are all sounds fucking sick. It's sick, man. That sounds sick. I mean, oh my God, that's amazing. It makes me want to be in it right now, but like that sounds fucking dope. So it's just, it's an augmented sound that the car actually makes. The motors actually make that sound. I hear his interior. Are they in Poland? Dude, that sounds dope. And I like it because you feel that low end rumble as you're driving. So it does give you, it gives you information. Like when I'm driving, I feel, I feel the car, because otherwise if it's totally silent, it's weird. It doesn't feel right. Well, it does sound weird when I drive my car, my Tesla S. Oh yeah. You got a plaid. That's yours. No, that wasn't yours. That's Jamie's. Yeah. Jamie's. Yeah. I have one of those. Yeah. It's silent. Yeah. Which is like, it's all right, but I don't mind it. If the sound is, is just an augmentation of what the, the motor sound like, then I'm into it, especially when you got a three motor going on. Right. And that sounds like a cool spaceship type electric car. And then I'm like, cause I feel like I could confidently, like I've, when I drive an electric car, I like both. I mean, the, the, the, the turbo S is amazing to drive, even though I do feel a little bit bad. So just like, ah, this producing carbon, which is, and I know that sports cars account for very, very little, because it's a very, very small market, but I still kind of feel a little bit. And then when I drive the Taycan, I'm just like, this thing is just, it's like, I feel fully free in a way. One of the things that Jeremy Clarkson pointed out when he did a review of the turbo is that the way the turbo filters the air, the air coming out of the exhaust is actually cleaner than the pollution air that's in, that's in the air. Oh really? Yeah. So you find that the particular filters you when you're in a polluted city, like if you're in a place like Los Angeles, like downtown LA, the exhaust from a turbo, from a turbo Porsche is actually less pollution than the actual air. Yeah. I could believe that because everyone's complaining about the sound of it. You can't rev it because the particulate filters are so strong because of the EU regulations. So people are like, ah, well they have a rev limiter. It doesn't sound that good or whatever. But I don't really care about that. It's like once you start going, preposterous, I mean, that electric car performance from a combustion. Exactly. That's why I wanted the turbo S because I had the Taycan. I was like, I want to know what the turbo. So in the video book, Jeremy Clarkson hosts of the top gear says that Porsche 911 Turbo cleans the air in polluted city less like, like LA. While I have seen concept cars that clean there, I seriously doubt that any existing car, especially the Porsche 911 Turbo emits exhaust that is cleaner than air, even air in the most polluted cities. Here's exactly what Clarkson says. When you drive this car through a really polluted city, Los Angeles, Calcutta, Harrogate, wherever that is, something like that, the gas comes out of the exhaust pipe is less toxic than the air going into the engine. And I'm not joking. That's true. This is like a small efficient, easy to use vacuum cleaner. This you called the Porsche Dyson. So here's the question for Sunday afternoon. What do you think? Is he wrong? Does he have a test? Man, well, you just made me feel a little bit better. I don't know if that's true though. Jeremy Clarkson has said multiple things that aren't true. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they famously rigged their Tesla episode to show that the Tesla died on the track and it didn't die on the track. I remember that. That was, I was like, why are you doing that? Horrible. Just do the shit honestly. You're going to run in anomalies anyways. Like why do you have to invent that shit? Well, because that's a reality show. So it's gross. They have to create drama. Yeah. Well. Great problems. But to do that, you're like tanking a business. Like you're, I mean, how many people saw that and wouldn't buy one of those cars because of that? Yeah. I know. And I think Elon lost in court because I think part of the show is that it's entertainment. Oh, I see. So they're allowed to fake things. I see. Which is kind of fucked. It's kind of, it's kind of fucked. Well, you know what? It's like, it's like a freedom that should exist. However, it's to use it in that way is really poor taste and like, I don't know, maybe there's some kind of a consequence to it. But I think there's a consequence certainly to that business. I mean, how many people saw that? And I bet that was a big hit on the business. Yeah. I remember. Hey, I remember seeing that and I was like, oh, really? Okay. Well, I don't know. I mean, it's an electric car. They're kind of hard to. Yeah. I remember thinking, oh, well, it must be new tech. I'll wait a while. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, really down. Because right now it's fucking up, but it wasn't fucking up. No, it wasn't. Yeah. I remember that was with the plaid, right? No. Oh, that was just the early on. Oh, it was early, early Tesla. The one that looked like a Lotus. Oh, oh, you're talking to the very first one. Oh, well, you can find it. That was way back. Yeah. The, um, uh, Roadster. Yeah. The original Roadster. I did not know that. Meanwhile, the new Roadster is just like vaporware. It's not going to happen. Where's that? Everybody's, everybody's killing it. I mean, the Aspark owl is like coming out and that's going to blow that away. You don't think it's going to happen? I don't think so. Well, maybe, but I just don't, I don't know. So that's what the appetite's there. What? I think, I think Lotus, I think, I think Lotus and the appetite's there, dude, if it comes out, if they make the Tesla Roadster, the way that Elon showed it when they did that demo, 1.7 seconds, 0 to 60 looks insane. I know. Yeah. It looks fucking cool as shit. Two seater. Yeah. But it's going to be the same price as a Porsche, uh, Cayman, uh, electric Cayman. So it's like people are probably going to choose the Porsche. We'll see. I choose the Porsche every day. The problem with Tesla's, my problem with them is that they don't have buttons. Everything's touched. I do not like that. I do not like that. That is one thing you would appreciate about the Lucid because the Lucid, the cockpit, it's a good looking car. So you can still order that thing. Yeah, but it's fair. Like I found it on their website somehow. Come on. That looks dope as fuck. I mean, no, it looks, it looks sick. It looks like a Ferrari. That looks dope. Looks like a, like an electric Ferrari kind of smooth. Well, it looks like a Tesla sports car is what it looks like, but there's no timeline for this thing. I mean, the whole, I think their, their roadmap is get out the, um, the truck first. So the Cybertruck is started to be delivered and people are driving. Apparently a friend of mine saw one in LA. Wow. I do not like that truck. Dude. Have you seen it in real life? Yes. It's fucking sick. Really? I do not know. I like to take a Rivian over that any day. Rivian's good looking. Sick. It's a cute, it's a cutie. It's a cute. You like those glasses you're wearing. Yeah. Yeah. See what I'm saying? That's like what the Rivian's headlights look like. They look stupid. The stadium headlight. Oh no. They look good for you. But if I wore them, it would be like Joe's trying too hard. How about the alpha wolf? What's that? Uh, that's a sick electric truck. You're going to like that way better than Cybertruck. Cybertruck is not useful vehicle. This, this, I don't think so. Everyone's complaining about the bed. They're saying the bed's not designed in a way that's actually useful to truck users. Oh, carrying shit in that bed. That's what I'm saying. But like truck people are like, what the fuck is this for? Well, let me see what the, uh, alpha wolf. Check out the alpha wolf. You're going to love this thing. Who makes this? It's the alpha. A company called alpha? Yeah. So this is electric? Yeah. It's a monster. It's like an off-roading. Whoa. And they just came out with, uh, I think it's like a, I don't know, it's got like a, look at that thing. Dude, that thing looks incredible. Look at that smooth piece across the front. That thing looks incredible. That's, that to me is like, when I saw that, I was like, that's exciting. How many people are making, no, what's the range on this fucker? I don't know. It's probably two door truck. So it's a two seater. I'm going to say it's probably going to be like 200 or something like that. So it's a two seater. It's like an old 275 plus that's with American. That's not so bad. I mean, for an adventure truck, like if you want to go like an off-roading experience, that's fine. No, it's not good. Cause if you want to go somewhere, well, yeah, where are you going to go? Well, but you know, I mean, the thing is like batteries are always going to improve, but the fact that they're putting this out and like, I mean, look at that blue is going to work. So fast. That's so good. What's wrong with you and you're scrolling, man. She's such a fast growler. Um, yeah, it looks sick. It's a, it's, it's a, it looks very cool. It's just like a good looking truck and I like, um, they're coming out with one. And then who's the other one that has that? Uh, it's like 275 is not much, much range. I mean, it's as much range as my Taycan gets a lot. So kind of like a median of performance vehicles. That's about as much as you're going to get right now with a battery tech that exists. But the Lucid doesn't, the Lucid isn't it supposed to be more Lucid that just, uh, loose it's 500 plus on some, on some models. Yeah. No, Lucid is on the Sapphire Sapphire is going to be less performance. The tires, yeah. Tires and the amount of energy. It's got three motors. What is the Sapphire's range? I'm going to say it's 300 plus. We might've skipped past. Oh my God. Look at that. The Night Wolf and the Super Wolf. Whoa. Yeah. There's a new models of just Super Wolf. What's the Super Wolf? That's their new shit. There you go. Check that out. Oh man. So it really is an adventure vehicle. Yeah. Solar panels. Yeah. Which probably doesn't do much. And you know, it helped, it helped with like systems. Yeah. You could like keep running camping shit and stuff like that. Oh, look at that. Doorless. Last wait. There was also, this was a four door version of it. So the Super Wolf is a four door. Yeah. It's, it's like, it's sick. They're, they're one to, they're one to watch for. Ooh. Looks sick. It's got suicide doors in the back. Ooh, look at tent. Wow. Connects to it. That is so cool. Plus like with the solar, you just run your, all your tent stuff, you know, whatever. Yeah. While you're, while you're away. I really, 250 to 275 same range. Yeah. 5.9 seconds, zero to 60. Yeah. It's slow as shit though. Yeah. But you know, it's, you know, it's not everything. It can't be perfect. Oh, stop. What are you a salesperson? It's a good look. It's a good look. This one has a little bit more range. 300 plus. Yeah. And there's that other small electric truck. Who they just came out with. I like the side flares. I mean, it's so cool. It just, it just looks like a, it's just a great look. Yeah. I mean, I mean, you get like more range on that. I mean, it's like over time they'll be new battery. I mean, look at how clean that is. It looks like an old school. It's got that old school, you know, eighties truck look. Eighties, nineties. Because I like trucks that look like trucks. Yeah. That's sick. Doesn't like the truck. Michael J. Fox wanted it. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah. If they ever redid because they only were going to need to redo like back to the future. That's the truck that's going to show up. Now show me the cyber truck. Casey daylighters. I still prefer the side truck. I gotta find this. When I saw the cyber truck in person, like that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. It looks like, I mean, when it came out, I was like, Oh, that's a cool, that's a bold design. But then like it didn't come out for a long, long, long, long time to make it. This looks like a 70. It looks like a 70s sci-fi truck. It's dope. I love it. Small. I saw it in real life. And I was like, this is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen. I think it's pretty dope. It's fiskers coming out with good shit too. But I'm trying to, there's a, there, there was another, oh, here it is. This guy, T-Lo. I don't think you're going to like it, but it's, it's, it's, it's definitely different looking, but it's a small truck, but it's got the same bed length as an average truck, but it's like tiny. It's like this little T-Lo thing. Oh yeah. That's disgusting. Look at that. Look at that. That now that's, that's what I would rock. It is tiny, man. And look at that approach angle. Nothing. Yeah. You know, you'd have to see how it handles and all that stuff, but, um, I saw something yesterday. It wasn't a truck, but it was like a recreated 67 Mustang electric car. Oh yeah. The electro resto, those are, those are from scratch too. They're not using donor cars. That's a from scratch. Oh really? Yeah. That's what I think it's the one that you're talking about. The Mustang. There's, it's a, it looks like a Mustang, but it's not, it isn't a Mustang. I don't know if that's what you're talking about. I just said Mustang. I just said 67. Yeah. Have you seen that company? Was it called Everati? Yes. Yeah. They're doing that with like Porsche 964s. Oh my God. And they're making them electric. They say that they're one for one, at least like steering handling and all that stuff feels, feels pretty one for one. Well, it must be amazing just because of the batteries, the low center of gravity. Check that out. It looks like a Mach 1. Wow. Technology company that creates brand new electric cars that look like Mustangs. Yeah. What do they call it? The cars are the company charge, charge, but they don't call it a Mustang? No, I don't think they legally can. Interesting, but it's clearly they ripped off the Mustang. They completely did. But they, yeah, it's a, it's a from scratch bespoke. But I mean, look at that. I mean, I love that electrics are starting to look like engines now. Yeah, but I have to be honest, if I want a 67 Mustang, I wanted to go boom. Of course. Of course. But yeah, I don't want a silent 67 Mustang. It just feels goofy. How about that McMurtry spearling? Remember that they're making a road car. Does it have sound? Can you hear what this sounds like? Just like I saw it on Instagram. It looks pretty dope. It looks pretty dope. It's but a 67 Mustang looks dope. Of course. I get, I get you. Yeah. Well, you know, my thing is like, if you can figure out a way to like, you just take the engine out, right? Transmission, all that stuff. And you just like save it, right? So you can swap it in and out as you want. Oh, god, you can't, you know, I mean, you can't, but I'm just saying, like, if you figured out a way to do it, maybe, I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't matter. But have you seen the McMurtry spearling that thing that got the Goodwood record? It's a vacuum car. It's a fan car. So it's, it's, I was there at Goodwood when it did its legendary run. I think it has, I think it's got the fastest record going up Goodwood. It sucks itself to the ground. It can make up, I think, 10 tons of downforce. And it's tiny. It looks like a tiny bat, batmobile. And it looks kind of funny because it's so far. There it is. That's the Goodwood. I was right there. I was right there in the stat, right, that stand right there. So what is a vacuum car? Like, how exactly does that work? So whoa, look at that thing. It's so fast. It does zero to 16, like 1.6 seconds or something like that. And it's, it's just that thing when it, look at this thing. Oh my God. That looks fucking amazing. It broke every record. And it got good. Center driving position. I mean, it destroyed that run. I mean, it was coming so fast down the tunnel because Porsche's stand is like facing the launch tunnel. We were there and as it came up, it was coming up so fast. People were like, it's not going to make that. It's not going to make that turn. Go to the website for that, Jamie. They have a passenger car or they have a road car coming out using the same fan. So this is just for the track? This is a track monster. And Irish. What does that thing cost? Not too bad. It's like 1. something million. I mean, for a car that's that fast, I mean, come on. Oh my God. A million a piece. There you go. A million dollars. Yeah. And that it's, it's amazing. I got to see it up close. Two stop scroll. The spiel. How do you say it? Sperling? Sperling. Sperling. It's an Irish company. Emerged last year with a record breaking run at Goodwill Hill Clom. It uses two rear mounted fans to produce absurd amounts of downforce. The car is tiny, shorter than a Chevrolet Spark and weighs less than 2,205 pounds. So you get the Sperling produces 999 horsepower. Holy fuck. Yeah. They talk about like, this is just an Irish dude that made a lot of money. I forget he's a billionaire. He made a lot of millions. And he was just like, I want to make this car. And he just did it. Oh my God. It's so good. What does that do in the Nurburgring? I mean, I wonder if they've done it yet. How do they not? You have to. Because I wrote. That looks. Oh my God. Oh my God. That looks so good. That's the road car. That's gorgeous. That's what they're. Yeah. And it's good. When is that going to come out? I don't know. I'm going to say like in the next two years. You could achieve three Gs. Well, you know, my Guntherworks can do three Gs. Really? Yeah. I mean, that shit's a nasty car. I want to say that someday. That's a full carbon fiber air cooled 1995 Porsche. I want to see it. I'm going to see it. It's the rowdiest car. It's so rowdy. I'm going to come out just to see that car. It's so analog. I would have brought it today, but it's raining. Uh, can replenish the battery 20 minutes. Not too bad. What? Doesn't say how long it goes though. Uh, I can't imagine. I mean, what's the battery pack? It's a 60 kilowatt and plus the weight. I bet you anything you could get, I mean, with the path, the road car, you're probably going to get like 200 over. Yeah. I think. Cause it's so light. That's like the lightest sports car, you know, um, it looks incredible. Yeah. McMurtry Speerling. I was, I was fascinated with it and I didn't even know it was going to be a good wood. And when it came out, I was like, am I watching a cartoon? It like made, everyone was laughing because it's looks like a cartoon when it's moving. Cause you're like, it's coming at you. And it just goes, like a Tron car, like a fucking Tron car. It's that kind of downforce. The handling is insane. Fucking incredible. You're not going anywhere. And it's got redundant systems. So like, some people were like, what if the fans went out? But the two independent fan systems and, uh, and there's these like redundant. So you get one and still produces enough downforce. It wouldn't like let you go on a corner. How do the fans work? How does that work? It's basically just like, it's a vacuum cleaner. It just creates a vacuum under the car. So are the fans exposed in the rear? Like where are the fans? They're internal into the body. And then there's these ducts out the back where it channels. Wow. And it just sucks you into the ground. It just sucks you into the ground. What a fucking car, man. It's goddamn that looks good. I saw a car reviewer. He's like the tall dude that a British guy that does like all the car reviews. I forget his name, but he got to do a zero to 60 run, just a straight line. He couldn't talk like, and it was, he wasn't joking. He couldn't talk after the run. He was crying and he couldn't talk. And he was like, I just, I need a moment. Wow. Like that moment in Ford versus Ferrari, where the guy's like, I never knew. And then where he takes the exact for that crazy run. And then he's like, he's crying. And he's like, I never knew. It's like, I know that feeling. Because that's a real thing that happens. And people might think it's stupid. It's a car, but it's like, it's a fucking human body. Well that GT40 is even smaller than my GT, my Ford GT, the original GT40. Oh, right. It's a very small car. It's very small. And now people are taking those and they're adding insane thousand horsepower engines to them. And they're doing these retro, like resto mods on the Ford GT40. Some of them are incredible because it's such an analog car. It's a real race car. It's got a Plexiglas side window. It doesn't even roll down. I love that shit. I love it. I love life. You know, it's cool. I love engineering. That's totally my thing. My thing is like design engineering. I go like, you know, I went to Berlin and the first thing I noticed was the lighting. All the street lights are beautiful amber. All the interior lighting in most places is like, there's no, you know how you walk into like a convenience store here or whatever and it's just like fluorescent attack. It doesn't really exist. I mean, there are places, but like in general, it doesn't. I was like, whoa, they actually, they care about this shit. Like people are like, we don't like the harsh lights are too bright and it's not good for, you know, concentration, whatever. I love design. I like anything that's designed. I could like look at an ashtray. I could look at a knife. I love knives. I like, you know, whatever. I just, you know, whatever, firearm. I'm just like, I can, you know, it's like any engineering that people were passionate about. And they're like, this is what we wanted to make and we made it. I'm like, yeah, good for you. Yeah. I'm into that too. I just love design and innovation. I just love seeing like the human mind come up with something like that spiraling. I mean, come on. I mean, imagine the amount of passion and drive and dedication you have to have to develop something like that and actually produce and make it. And then when you see the preposterous way, this thing maneuvers in hand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So cool. I know. I know. And the Gordon Murray cars that just, what's that? The Gordon Murray, um, T 50 and the T third. What's that? He's the guy who designed the F1 McLaren, uh, that the, you know, the $20 million now evaluated, evaluated $20 million supercar. Um, the, yeah. Um, he, he designed that legendary designer and then he made two cars. One is a fan car. Well, no, it's not a fan car. It uses a fan to depressurize the zone behind the car. Oh, there we go. Whoa. I think it's the T 50. What the fuck is that? Yeah. So center driving position and two passenger seats on either side. Look how low it is. Just like the F1. Wow. It looks a lot like a McLaren. Yeah. It, yeah. That's, that was his baby. And how does that thing handle? It's, I mean, I, there haven't been any reviews on it yet, but I mean, look at that stick shift and they, they designed the cockpit around you. So you come in for a fitting essentially, but you get to see all the mechanics of the mechanics are exposed for the shifter on the interior of the car. So shifter, like does it have gears? Yeah. Yeah. So it's a full gas. So it's a full gas car. Yeah. The other one that they came out with is more of a 1960s homage. Is this a manual transmission? Yeah. Yeah. Does it have a clutch? Uh, manual, clutch, manual transmission. Really? Yeah. So the T, T 33, that one, check that one out. Um, I love this car. That's very interesting. Yeah. This is more of like a kind of more manageable, but, but Gordon Murray, he's like, he's a, he's just a legend. That guy is insanely talented, but he just like made these cars, the cars that he wanted to make. And there was like nothing, every wire, every bolt, that guy is in, I've watched so many interviews and everything is approved by him. Oh, that's a gorgeous car. They're really beautiful automobiles. And he doesn't release performance numbers because he doesn't believe in that. He believes in the spirit of the car, like the way it feels. And of course it's going to be lightweight and all that stuff. Scroll back down, please. And he doesn't do traction control either. I don't think. It says in every major engineering area, the T 33 is mechanically superior to modern day super cars. Go to the interior. See what that looks like? Wow. So is this like a bespoke thing? They only make a certain number per year. Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah. And you go into the design studio, like you can go in there and you just basically go through all the swatches and you know, color, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. You know, I mean, there's some beautiful automobiles out there and I can't afford them, but you know, I click on that video so I can see that video. Yeah. Does it show a driving? That's where they really see them. Like, yeah, there should be a sound, but that's the weird thing about his company. Like they don't really show a lot of footage of the car in action, which is kind of curious. Hmm. Is this been actually released already? Can you buy one? You can order them. T 50s exist, I think, or I think if that's the name of the T 50, I figure why is this video? It's stupid. I don't know. It's a sales pitch. It's a sales. Yeah. Okay. There's a track. Okay. Now show the car. That's it. That's what I'm saying. It's like, that's the one thing I don't like about it is like you don't, well, that's, that's the guy that got, drove the spear link that was crying. That dude, super tall guy. He's this tall. Gordon Murray's tall too. It was kind of funny to see that. But yeah, I mean, they're, I mean, that, that, so that fan in the back, so it depressurizes the zone behind the car so that you don't need a spoiler for downforce. Huh? Well, there are, there are, there are two mini spoilers on either side, but basically as soon as that pressure starts to build up. So that's with the fan on, which makes it a lot louder. You can disengage the fan when you're driving. Why would you? Well, I mean, you know, small towns and stuff like that. Yeah. Tell them to deal with it. You're in town. Oh yeah. That was this good. Oh, look at the back seat. Isn't that great? People sit behind you. Yeah. Just like the F1. The F1 was center with two passengers on either side, which I kind of like that. I mean, it's like, you're going to take two friends on a ride, you know, it's kind of fun. And then you get that center drive position, which I've never experienced before, but I would love to get a center driving position. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. That's a road car. Man, isn't that great? Yeah. I know. It's like, you know, there's still like, there's some cool stuff going on, but you know, the good thing is like, there's cars at every price point and they're all like so many great ones, you know, I love them. Yeah. It's a good time for automobiles, but it's a, it's a weird thing because they keep making them faster every year. I know. Where's this go? I know. That's what I'm saying. There's a biological limit to speed and G forces. Like at a certain point, all electric cars are going to basically be the same zero to 60. Handling will be different, but like the zero to 60, like the, and stopping is like, that's a pretty predictable science. I don't know where we're going to go. We can't get faster than blacking out, you know what I mean? Right. G force. It's like, you don't want to be like, I wonder if that's possible. I think so. Looks good. Looks like a blackout from a car. I mean, you could blackout, you, yeah, you could blackout from a corner. I mean, cause blacking out has just reduced blood to the brain. So I don't know. I guess on a forward acceleration, you should be able to blackout. I think you could blackout. Have you ever been in a fighter jet? No, never been in a, no. I've been with the blue angels once. What? Yeah. I blacked out. Of course you did. I went seven and a half G's and didn't blackout. And then I went, we did another corner. We do that. Didn't do the hooking thing. And I did one corner where I didn't do it right. I just didn't anticipate it was going to be as much as I threw up. Whoa. No. Yeah. I mean, that's exciting though. I can't imagine. Were you wearing that liquid filled suit? Nope. No, the blue angels don't wear suits. They don't. No. Oh, that's right. They're like old school. Old school. So they, you have to be kind of jacked and you can't be tall because it's all guys. Like it's too much blood. Yes. The brain. See that too much volume. Yeah. These guys are like stout and they have to be stout in order to pilot that thing. Cause you have to have like muscles. Right. You have to be able to force the blood into your head. You feel your, you actually see your consciousness closing in like an elevated door. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like they do in video games when you like to start to blackout. I mean, it looks like this is crazy when they get right next to each other and they fly. That's fucking bonkers. I just like guys, you just feed away from each other. So blue angels are the man when they, they used to come to my town for air shows. Cause I lived on a, uh, next to an air force space and it was, I couldn't tell you how excited it was when they were standing, they would all stand outside of their planes, you know, with the, just in front of each plane and they all had their names on it. I was like, but there is nothing like an air show crash to fucking terrify you. My God. Are you kidding? There's a ton of those you can see too. Yeah. Have the blue angels, they have a pretty low clock crash record. I don't know. I think I don't know who crashes, but I've seen air show crashes where they fuck up and those are horrific. Oh man. I mean, yeah. I don't want to go. No, I don't. No, no, no, no. I don't need to go to an air show. When I, have you seen the dirty role? Have you seen that? What's that? The, uh, two planes come together with their landing gear out facing each other. They're landing gear almost like kind of like offset and then they do a full rotation. Oh God. It's the most insane. I saw it like a few times they're like, and they're coming around here for a dirty roll. Oh fuck that. So yeah. So check this. Hopefully you'll get to see it. So that's a dirty single, but they did a double dirty roll. Two planes facing each other, landing gear facing each other. I would want to be far away with a spotting scope. Oh, no. I want to be close to him for one of those fucking things touches. The other one flies into the crowd. Oh my God. It's it's, oh, I see. Oh, he got, he pulled out safely. Yeah. There was like a complication with it. I mean, the new planes that are coming out, I mean, I don't know the, if I can neck, was it, uh, air dominance, uh, next to air dominance vehicle or whatever. What do you think about all this UAP UFO stuff? Oh shit. You know, I don't know. It's something. It's something. I don't know what it is. Some of it is like, some people theorize it's like plasma technologies, but they're like, they're getting physical signatures on it. And then, you know, you're getting like the, all the radar return signatures and you're getting like infrared, you know, I don't, I don't fucking know, man. I mean, it's really blows me away. I keep, because I can't say, I can't say for sure. Like I believe that that other life forms exist. Um, I also believe, I just don't know if it's like, it doesn't make any sense why they're like, let's just hang out, never show ourselves and just do like really cool, tricky stuff and have people get a bunch of blurry images of it that we can never fucking see. Yeah. That's, that's the weird thing, but I don't know what it is, man. I mean, it's either natural phenomenon or it's something that's been here a long time. Um, or they're probes, uh, from, that are triggered by a certain, I don't know, technological escalation in human society or they're somehow hours, but that doesn't make any sense either. I don't know, man. I mean, I've seen them. I've seen, I've seen UFOs, but you have talking. Yeah. I might've mentioned on the show before, but I've seen like the classic, like three glowing spheres in the distance, kind of moving along and like a search light turning on our spotlight, turning on, turning off, and then like gliding with no noise in a canyon. I've seen that, but, and that was awe inspiring, but you know, some of the footage that you see, you're like, that is, what is that? It just went into the ocean. It just went into the ocean at the same, it's still traveling at the same rate that it was traveling in the air and they're, they're recording it. So it's either like a huge hoax, which doesn't make any sense because people talk or they're, I don't know, man, or it's like interdimensional shit. It's, uh, uh, uh, maybe if we are in a simulation, there'd like glitches in the simulation, you know, like, there's like other things bleeding through and like, we're seeing things that don't have any, that don't, that don't adhere to the laws of physics because they aren't really in our physical realm in a way. I don't, I don't really know. Because I just, it, it really, it baffles me. And then also when the government starts releasing stuff and then you got a guy going around like, well, you know, I've been cleared by the, you know, whatever, CIA or whatever to be able to talk about this and all this stuff. Like you've been cleared to talk about stuff that you're supposed to not be talking about is a weird, that's weird. And then I'm like, is it propaganda? Is it like, I don't know, man. It's, that's a, it's a tough one. Cause I grew up like, I love UFOs. Like I grew up project blue book, watch the series, loved aliens used to sit in my backyard, looking up at the stars, hoping that I would see an alien one day. And then I did see not aliens, but I saw you, you IPs or UFOs. Where were you when you saw that? I was in Montana. I was like probably 17. Yeah. And uh, it was, we were camping and, uh, at night and then we decided to, to climb a Butte in the middle of the night. So we were crossing a big cattle field. And then I was walking and two friends were ahead of me and I kind of just looked to my right, stopped, looked to my right. And I just saw these in the distance. I don't know how far it would be, but like, you know, they looked like about that big from my perspective. So down a ways. And there were three of them. It wasn't one object because they changed, they would change distance from each other and change elevation a little bit really low. And then at some point, sometimes it would just stop and you'd see a little beam turn on, turn off, and then it would start to move again. It was really, really weird. I had two friends. I, I kept looking at it. I was like, come here. Cause I didn't want to not look and then look back and then they weren't there type of movie shit. But my friends came back and they looked down and they described, I didn't even tell them what I was looking at. I said, tell me what you see. They described what I was seeing. I don't know what it was, but I've heard other stories about three lights. Um, same kind of shit. When I'm watching like UFO, whatever documentary stuff, I give me chills because I'm like, I've seen that whatever that is, I've seen that. So I don't know. I don't know, man. It's like I go, my mind goes all over the place, but there's no definitive note. Cause no one's, you know, it's like, unless they land and you're like, Oh, there it is. Or we see not the Mexico city alien, obviously a joke. Um, not a joke, but whatever it was a hoax. Like unless we get something where it's like, Oh shit, what is that? What is this metal? Or, you know, the scientists saying that they found a piece of a, an alien ship at the bottom of the ocean because this material they can't identify. Um, I don't know. It's, it's weird. I'm excited about it. I think it's kind of interesting and I'm hopeful, but it's almost like the more information that gets released, the more I'm like, I don't know what to think. I'm exactly where you are. But I, I think more than likely that a lot of what we're seeing, a lot of these people are seeing is some sort of top secret probe and some sort of super sophisticated propulsion system that doesn't rely on a combustion engine, some completely new style of propulsion system that they've been working on. They've been working on gravity propulsion system since the 1950s. True. They've been at least theorizing these things and the possibility that someone has come up with something in a drone form that they can pilot like that makes the most sense to me because they keep spotting these things in areas where the military practices, they keep spotting these things off the coast of San Diego, off the East coast where they have these, these restricted areas. That's where they're seeing these things. Like it just makes sense that that would be where they would practice these things. But what's weird about it is that, you know, like there was that famous UFO crossing incident over the northern, all the states of going from, I think Seattle or Washington, all the way to Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, they were chasing the squadron of unidentified flying objects in the fifties. The fifties. Fifties. Yeah. So that's the one thing that you do hear about sightings, like even in the 1800s, 1700s, that's the weird thing. Right. That's the, that's the thing where I'm like, well, if it's true, but I mean, the fifties, I mean, there's like shots of it. There's, people took photographs of these like squadron of glowing discs and they were kept, and they were going so fast that jets couldn't keep up with them. So I had to scramble jets at the next base. And our baseball team is called the Voyagers based off of that incident. Really? Yeah. So I mean, in Great Falls, but like, I don't know that that's the weird thing about it. I mean, I do, I agree with you. I think there is some kind of like propulsion system and that, you know, is able to like change on a dime and like doesn't necessarily get affected in the way that normal. So there's probably multiple things going on simultaneously. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I do not doubt that we've been visited. If there is intelligent life that's capable of coming here for somewhere else, of course they would. I mean, well, that's the place you would go. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like, it seems like in a way, I just feel like the earth is kind of like a terrarium. It's like, they're just like, let's do a pilot program here, throw some seeds down there, monitor it, see how it goes. Certainly could be. I mean, some people think the moon is a spaceship. Well, those people might be dumb. Well, but they, there is some, there's some, well, are you familiar with the Wi-Files? You know, those guys, that guy? Wi-Files. The Wi-Files. So it's a YouTube channel. This dude, he basically just re, he recounts stories of paranormal, whether it's, you know, occult stuff, spiritual stuff, but not spiritual stuff, but just like ghost stuff or aliens or interdimensional travel, that type of stuff. And then he talks, he tells the story and kind of re-enacts it. And then at the end, he kind of debunks it or tries to debunk it, but he seems to be pretty impartial. But he was talking about how like when they landed on the moon, they did, they, they basically did seismic tests and the reverberance, there was a reverberance that would indicate that it's possibly hollow. And it's, it does sound like a far-fetched thing, but there, there is a lot of, there's some kind of interesting things there. Again, I'm not like a firm believer in it, but it, but if you think of it in a fantastical way, like what if that was a spaceship that just like, I don't lie, you know, just, they just stopped that spaceship, did some experiments on earth or whatever and just left the spaceship there. I don't know. I don't know. I'm dumb. Hi guys, how are you? That one seems so stupid. I know, but it's, it's fun to look into. Obviously what it would be cool to see what your crowd thinks. No kind of an undertaking would be involved in creating a spaceship that's, what is it? It's huge. A quarter of the size of the earth? Something that might be smaller than that, maybe, maybe. That's gotta be smaller than that. When it's one six earth gravity. Okay. So what's the size of it? Tell us the size. I don't know. How much, how small? How big, how big, y'all know how big the moon is over there. Y'all ever, y'all ever, um, What did you guess? I'm guessing like it's a tenth. Yeah. That's what I'm guessing. But yeah, it's, I mean, and then there's like smaller, there's, there's also kinds of weird, oh, here we go. No, you were right. Oh, okay. One quarter. One quarter of the size of the earth. 80 times less than that. Yeah. So it's pretty big. Yeah. If you look up hollow moon, just to see. Is it next to hollow earth? No, I hope not. I hope not. That's, that's, we gotta, they gotta get off that. Hollow moon. Hmm. Spaceship moon. Pseudoscientific hypothesis, proposes earth moon is either holy hollow or otherwise. I've got a mechanic story from August. So this, this has got all of the details. Oh, we break down how misinterpreted science and the Apollo moon, here we go. Give rise to a bizarre belief. Well, then maybe that's, yeah, that's all some bullshit. Maybe. I mean, probably most likely. I mean, I felt that way too. I just thought it was interesting. It's a death star. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. Like, I'm like, that would be hilarious if it was. That's all I'm saying. Like, I think it would be, because my thing is like, I'm kind of like a big simulation theory guy or whatever, some version of a simulation that we're existing in. And then also series going off. Oh, sorry. Sorry, Siri. Siri thinks you're asking. Why you, what the hell don't do that? It's the CIA. But yeah, it's like, you know, it's like, I'm like, well, scientists said the moon rings like a bell. Right. That's because the vibrations to the moon's, moon's seismic events known as moonquakes last much longer than those on here on earth. Hmm. Conspiracy theorists once believe the moon was hollow, though that's more likely the moon being made out of cheese. That I believe that's more likely than the movie made out of cheese. It still seems pretty ridiculous. Surprisingly, it's not based on folklore, but but but but but NASA researchers sought to learn more about the composition of the moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Astronaut Pete Conrad and Alan Bean set up a passive seismic experiment experiment as the landing site at the landing site as part of a larger set of moon experiments known as the Apollo lunar surface experiment package. Once the astronauts were safely back in the command module, they crashed the lunar module into the earth's surface, the impact of the equivalent of detonating a one ton TNT and triggered what's known as a moonquake, the first human made moon quake to take place. The PSC seismeters recorded the resulting vibrations, which were much bigger and lasted much longer than the scientists had anticipated. They were far different from the earthquake vibrations were familiar with much such as the composition of the moon is different. Yeah, totally. And then there's just like all like structures on the moon and then like the Japanese when they are not Chinese that landed on the backside of the moon, like see there it goes. The moon is only 60% as dense as earth. That doesn't mean the moon is hollow. But as with many things like the moon landing itself conspiracy theorists perpetrated that misinformation. Yeah. I mean, I mean, favorite. I mean, yes, of course. I mean, I don't conspiracy theories. We didn't go to the moon. That's my favorite. I hate that. I just I just think it's so annoying. Why is it annoying? Because it's too many people involved. Like the Oh, way too many people involved. Like the people that were like there during the launch. Also, the fact that we've used the same way that we got to the moon with the things that we were landing on the moon now. Right. But the difference is taking a human biological organism and how many go into deep space and go through the Val Nail and radiation belts and come back and also the photographs that were perfectly made with these cameras. But that was part of the they've made. They did make films. They did stage moon landing for NASA internally did that for free of the reason they propaganda wasn't propaganda. But but a lot of people. But they were like, I don't know. I'm pretty sure when we go up there, we're going to find the modules and leftover modules. If we don't then fine. I'll eat. You know what I'll do? Well, I'll drink a full thing of your energy. You don't have to do that. But isn't it interesting though, that that's one thing that you're kind of not open minded about that because it's just like, it's too many people in but like you would have heard. Well, first of all, it's 1969. Yeah, it's a different world. Nixon's president. Everyone's full of shit. They lie about everything. We're in the middle of the Cold War. But why would scientists and engineers lie? Well, if they were supposed to be doing it so that they could beat Russia in the moon, sure, missions, yeah, and there was some sort of a patriotic element to it. I mean, that's a motive. That's a certain fact that we haven't been back since 1972. Well, while well, they said that a lot of that was because like they lost interest because it was just a competition. We want it and then we were done. Yeah, you know, interest you. Paula programs have employed 400,000 people require the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities. Sure. But if it's compartmentalized, so if they are going into space, and they're just not going into deep space, they're going, you know, just like, like space shuttles. Yes. Yeah, which is not, you know, past the deep magnetosphere, the Van Allen radiation belts out into deep space. I like it. I'll entertain. I'll entertain it a little bit, but it will be pretty I just have a feeling that it probably sounds a little close minded. I'm a little close minded, but I will say this. I'll leave I'll leave a leave an 8% chance. No, I'll leave a 5% chance that I'm wrong. Interesting. But but that's, that's healthy. 5% sort of it's not absolutely. Yeah. We'll find out. We'll find out if people ever actually do go. I know. Well, we're supposed to right next three years. Four years. They've always been supposed to. That's George H. Herbert Walker Bush said we were going to go to the moon. Yeah. W said we're going to go to the moon. I think Obama said we're going to go to the moon. Yeah, I guess every president has to. But I mean, but my friend's just my friend's friend who has an architect, architecture company just got the, won the bid for designing the lunar colony modules. So they're starting design on this. Maybe in your lifetime, people live in the moon and then Mars. Yeah. I don't care about Mars so much, but the moon makes sense. But that's a lonely place. Scroll back. We'll make that smaller so I can see the earth in the background. That's what's wild. Imagine being somewhere looking down on the earth. I mean, that view, I mean, if anybody doesn't like go there and go like, wow, this planet's cool and we should save it. Like, I don't know what will. That's, that's amazing. Right. That's the perspective, right? When you're outside of earth, look back. That's what all the astronauts talk about. Yeah. They go to the space station and then come back down. It's like this insanely profound recognition that this is very delicate, fragile thing that we're all a part of. Yeah. And then when you're in it and you're concentrating on boundaries and borders and disputes over resources and all that shit, that's just, you lose perspective of the magic of what you are on this organic spaceship that's hurled into the cosmos. It's, it's so trippy to me. I always trip out with my friends where I'm like, you know, we're talking about being like, even us just talking about being on the planet, we are on the planet, but we're talking about being on the planet that we are on, which is just insane to me. Yeah. I love, I love those weird contradictions. Well, I guess they're not contradictions, but just like, just things to notice. You're like, you can never talk about consciousness without realizing that you are the thing you're talking about, which is crazy. That is crazy. It makes you mad if you, it can make you cuckoo. You can make you cuckoo for Cocoa buffs? No. No. Okay. Cuckoo for Cocoa buffs is sugar addiction. Yeah, you're right. That's different. That stuff's delicious. I mean, they've tried to do a bunch of sugar free versions. It just doesn't cut the mustard. Monk fruit's pretty good though, man. What's that? Monk fruit's a sweet. Oh, milk fruit sweet. Yeah. I like that stuff. But do they make Cocoa puffs with milk fruit? No, they're not going to. That's what I'm saying. Like if you get Captain Crunch, part of the thing is you're getting sugar. Yeah, you're getting cracked out. You're getting cracked out. You're enjoying this absolutely delicious that the milk gets delicious. In the moment. Yeah. In the moment, it's so good. Captain Crunch is a shit. I mean, destroy the roof of your mouth. Peanut butter Captain Crunch. That I hate it. It's so good. I hated how good it was. I just was like reaching the bag. Just Count Chocula, remember? Count Chocula. All of it. Cookie Crisp? Bro, they just poison kids. I know. They just poison kids for decades. They're like, we can get away with it until they find out. But until then, moolah. Yeah. Well, just get people to enjoy it. And if they enjoy it, keep selling it. Fuck the health consequences. I know. I know. I know. I'm always about like, I don't want people to lose all the stuff that they love just because it's healthy. It's like I just want them to realize they can have all the stuff that they love, but it can be a healthy version of it. Well, sort of. You're not going to get a healthy version of an ice cream sundae. I love an ice cream sundae. I've gotten some monk fruit sweetened chocolate syrup that tastes pretty good. You sound like a fucking hippie. It's pretty good. Like a dirty hippie that's lying to me about this. Delicious with the way she and mine's made. How vegan people talk about how good their fake chicken is? No. That I don't agree with. That I don't agree with. Although I will say corn is very delicious. That Q-U-O-R-N, it's made from mushrooms, like mycelium or whatever. That tastes good. I've never heard of that. Yeah, corn. I worked in a health food store in the 90s and we would sell a ton of it and they make chicken cutlets and stuff like that and you just put them in the oven. So it's a mushroom. Yeah. It tastes really good. So it's like portobello, which is delicious. Kind of, yeah. But it's made from mushrooms. So it's not like a mushroom, but it's like constitute, it's like mushroom protein or something. It's portobello mushrooms. They're fucking delicious. I love those. Portobello burger. Oh, so good. Kidding? Oh, so good. So good. Yeah. And you don't have to lie to yourself that you're eating some impossible bullshit. True. I know. That's the one thing I'm not into. I used to be into, I mean, I still kind of am into like simulation meats. You know, there's something kind of fun about it. But in general, when you look at the ingredients, it's like 30 ingredients that make up this thing. It's like, just eat the natural, eat something natural or synthesized meat, which I'm invited to a dinner for the first time. They're using synthesized chicken. They're making a bunch of meals from, not synthesized, but bioreacted chicken, which I'm very excited about. So that's chicken that was made in a laboratory. Yeah. So it's actually chicken tissue that they've recreated. Yeah. They take cell culture. They only need one sample of it and then they can just perpetuate it and then they grow it into substrates. They grow them on substrates and then create this chicken meat right at Tyson's. Tyson's chicken is heavily invested in upside foods that makes this chicken. They're the only, I think the only company that's ready to go to market with it. Interesting. And they just got FDA approval. I wonder how bad that stuff is for you. I don't know. We're going to have to find out, but it's just chicken cells. Right. I don't know. Yeah. I've seen when they do 3D printing steaks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 3D printing with fat as well. They put the fat in there and marble it. And it kind of looks like a steak. I would love to try that. I'm into that. That I'm into. I asked Moby once, I was like, if they made synthesized meat or bioreacted meat, would you eat it? And he was like, yes. He's like immediately. And I was like, Interesting. I was like, get it. Because it promotes another alternative to actually just raising a bunch of cattle and all the resources it takes. And also ethical as well. But I don't know. I like that kind of stuff because I like to pretend I'm an astronaut. Eat, paste. Yeah. If I could eat, like if I could get all my calories in a little paste thing, believe me, I'd be the first one to do it. And it was healthy and it actually worked. But you wouldn't because you like food. I do love food. Don't you like sitting down for a meal? It's the smells and the way it looks and chef prepared it. Yeah. But sometimes my addiction to food, it actually does the opposite. Like, yes, 100%. I love it. But sometimes- Explain your addiction to food. Well, I mean, like I have like, I don't know, it's like I've been, you know, my weight fluctuates all throughout my life. I've been probably a chubbier guy most of my life, but I never liked it. But you know, and there would be moments where I'd go like, fuck this, I'm changing my diet. I'm going to exercise like once in high school. I got really thin in high school. I got really in shape in my later twenties. And then I did it again when I first moved to LA. But sometimes my food, like I just go in these binges, you know, like, Oh, I'll be late at night watching a movie. And I'm like, you know what? I didn't need dinner. So fuck it. I'm like, Oh, there's that new burger place. I'll just get Uber Eats. Oh, they have two burgers that are really interesting. Well, maybe I'll get both of them and I'll just save half or whatever. And then I just eat all the burgers and I feel terrible. And that will happen a lot or I'll go, Oh, this is a healthy cereal. So I'm going to, I'm going to have this healthy cereal and I'm going to use flax milk and also, and then I eat the entire box of cereal. I can't, I just, once I get going, it's hard for me to stop. And then, then when I like, do you want to go out to dinner? But I'm trying to watch my diet. I'm like, I don't know how to go out to dinner and not order. You know, like I get this weird anxiety about it. But now that I'm doing the keto thing, it's much easier because I can go like I can have cheese. How long have you been doing the keto thing for like three months or something? Have you lost weight? I have lost a little weight. Yeah. I've lost a little weight and it's, and I haven't really been exercising that hard, just like getting like 7,000 steps a day or whatever. But a lot of it's diet and it's like, once you get that sugar out of it, and I've also been taking this stuff called, I think it's like called super gut or something like that. And it's like this powder that you add to a drink and it aids your gut biome. I think the combination of the two things that I'm doing, I'm feeling like I'm a little bit more in control of my appetite and that feels good. Because then if I do go off one day a week, I feel fine. I was at Sarah's party and she had like some sick pizza and I was like, ah, screw it. I'm just going to go for it. But I also danced for two and a half hours as well. So I felt like it all balanced out. Do you find that when you're on keto, your appetite is much more suppressed because your body's able to burn fat? Yeah. Way. Big difference. Also, you have to eat so much protein to supplement the loss of other things. That is a high satiety. So that, yeah. So in the morning I usually do, I have a lot of really great whey proteins that I take with me or I even have a hit of it that I carry with me so I can, if I get hungry instead of going, I'm going to get the thing, I'll just pour some protein. And that always usually makes me feel full. That's cool. And fiber powder, that kind of stuff. I don't know. It's the only thing in my life that I feel like that and scrolling. I have an addiction to news. I'll just be like, news, news, news, news, news, news. I'm trying to wean myself off of that addiction. That addiction is a real problem. I need it gone. I really do. Because if I checked in maybe once a week, I'd be fine. My new phone doesn't have any apps on it. Really? Yeah. Oh, sick. Yeah. So my ideas keep my old number and use it for social media when I need to do stuff. Yeah. And then with the new one, nothing on it. That's a cool idea. I know it's tough. I rely on social media for posting. Right. But the problem is if it's on the phone that I use all the time, I'm just too tempted. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, it's tough. Those two things. And then I'm addicted to driving, but that's an okay addiction. Yeah, that's a good addiction. That I love. That I'm like, oh. Yeah, that's the thing is finding something that's addictive that's actually beneficial in some way. Yeah. Rewarding in some way. Not a food. Yeah. The food thing. Well, food is, it's rewarding. That's the problem is it's very pleasurable. Yes, I know. I mean, I don't mind for holiday, Thanksgiving, I'll get excited about, oh, I'm just going to have some turkey and some gravy and some cranberry sauce or whatever. I can get excited about a holiday meal, but my everyday day-to-day meal stuff, that's the part where I'm like, I need to get into a mindset where I know this is going to be great for me and I'm going to feel good and I made a good decision. You know, and that's all. That can be really hard when you get that sugar talking to you and all those carbs. I mean, last night I got a charcuterie board at night because I didn't eat dinner. I had like the cheese and the meat and there was like this basket of bread and I just smelled it and I just took one bite of it and I was like, okay, that's it. But I felt okay about it. That's good. I didn't feel like I was being an asshole to myself or when I was playing games, but I was like, okay, yeah, okay. A little bit great. Back to the other stuff and I was, I made it. Every time I do that, I'm like, oh, you made it. Good job, man. It's like a game that I have to play with myself. Well, you literally are what you eat. If you eat a lot of shit, your body turns into shit. Yeah, especially as you get older. I mean, you're in your 40s now. I'm getting there. I'm in my 50s. I'm in my 50s. I'm 51. Yeah. But yeah, and I just noticed that shit and I just, the inflammation thing is really the biggest thing for me. I'm like, that's the reward if there's anything because getting up in the morning and going, you know, or sitting down and going, ah, every time. So many people are inflamed. Yeah. So many people are walking around and they just don't understand that that's a lot of it. It's your food. I mean, the American diet is just so poor. There's something, some insane number, like 40% of us are obese. Yes. Maybe more. It's crazy. The processed foods, the fucking sedentary lifestyle. I love when you see those old pictures from like 1970s beach. I know. I know. Everyone looked hot. Everyone looked great. Everyone looked great. They're eating normal food. Yeah. They're eating actual food. Yeah. And then you go to 2023 and everyone looks like they're going to have a heart attack at any moment. I was like, DuPont got involved in our food and then it was all over. Well, a lot of people got involved in our food and, you know, it's also shelf life. There's a lot of factors. You know, it's like if you want really healthy food, it doesn't last long. Yeah. Yeah. You got to pick it and eat it. Raw milk and, you know, real healthy food that's, it's biological. It's going to deteriorate. Like if you want vegetables, you have to eat them real soon after you pick them. Yep. If you want meat, you have to cook it pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah. Or freeze it. Oh, freeze it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's good that you're on the keto thing. That's great. Thanks, man. A lot of people have done that and it's made a giant change in their life. It really has. And I tried not to be like hyper strict about it. I'm not like, I'm keto. It's more like, I'm like keto-ish, you know. Yeah, that's good. Because it lightens it a little bit because nothing I hate worse than like fads, you know, like I'm on the 3060 diet or I'm on the blah, blah, blah diet. I'm like, Settle down, buddy. Just, just, just eat whole good foods with no processed sugars and for all that shit and just enjoy yourself. Yeah. So we've sorted out one aspect of your life, right? Yeah. We got that. Now we got to sort out the exercise. My knees. But yeah, my knees. Yeah, we got to do the exercise. That's why I come here. I come here to get my diet on track. That's the only reason why I get that and physical wellbeing, those are the three things. Well, we can guide you in the right direction. I certainly know people that can. Oh, yeah. There's some online stuff if you don't want to hire a trainer too. There's plenty of online stuff that you can get. There is, but I really love a trainer. I just, I love going like four days a week, going to a trainer and getting that relationship going. And they're like obsessed with goals. And I'm like, yeah, we're both in line with this and the improvements. I love it. Because I like going into a gym and no, because it's weird, as many trainers as I've worked with, when I walk into a gym, I guess I get options, like option paralysis. I'm like, what do I start? Should I do shoulders? I think a shoulder. No, I'm gonna do, should I do shoulders? No, I'm gonna do legs. No, maybe I'll do a little bit of each. No, no, I'll do, it's crazy. I, it's, I can't put together a program for myself. But you have someone put it together for you. There's plenty of things online. There's apps that do that. You just follow an app. Yeah, I know. There's so many of those, Reggie. You're a technologically advanced guy. I know, but I, yeah, I'm terrible. I'm the worst. It's just like, it's so nice you walk in, it's like, okay, we're going to do this today. I'm like, great. There's a social aspect of it that I kind of, I kind of enjoy. No, that is cool. And then taking all the weight off of you, Yeah. someone else and, Yeah. An actual professional. And you're going to a place and someone who gets results and all stuff like that. I used Kumail Nanjiani's trainer for a little while, but I wasn't really, I wasn't, I don't know. You gotta use his pharmacist too. Oh my God. I know, I know. That was so funny. Yeah, I know. Wink, wink. Love you, Kumail. Oh. He's a nice guy. He's, no, he's, but you know, nothing wrong with taking hormones. I mean, I took a little bit of HGH when I was first training. Yeah. Was like shooting it, but then like the shooting it up thing was like, Shooting it up, like in, well, Injecting. Injecting, yeah, to the fat and to the stomach fat. But like, I just like, it made me feel so crazy every time I did it. I was like, I can't do this anymore. But I was doing fine with that. I mean, again, I'm not looking to get like shredded, ripped Hollywood marble. Want to be fit. I just want to be fit. That's it. I just want to have like, I fortunately, I think I have a very good cardiovascular system, which is the most important part. That's your central pumping lifeline. But yeah, I know I can do it. I can get back there again. I just want to be in swimming trunks and like be really, really, really proud. And I know that I've learned how to be happy with my body. Do you know how many people do that? They get fit so that they can look good on vacation. Yeah. Oh, I know. It's kind of crazy. If here I am on vacation, like this, like, you've, like this event that you've prepped for. That's, that's a little weird. I don't mind. It's weird. I don't mind the metric of like, we're going to go, we're all going to go swimming. And then everyone takes off their clothes and I'm just like, I'm totally comfortable with it. Right. And that's what you want. That's what I want. That's all I want. I just want to be, because I want to look good naked. Because I've been there, you know, that's the problem. It's like when you've been there a few times, that's, that's the, that's the thing. Because I'm just like, I know I can get there and my friends are like, but you look beautiful. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I appreciate you saying that. And I'm working on feeling happy in my skin, but I think when I take a step down, you know, when I go down to fly, fly to stairs, there's some extra jiggling going around. I don't like that feeling. And so I got to do something. It's fixable, Reggie. It is fixable. This is a very fixable problem. This isn't like the war in the Middle East. No. Very fixable problem. Yeah. War in the Middle East or like people with, you know, that love heroin. Yeah. That seems like a bigger problem. It's a little bit of a bigger problem. That's a problem that can be mitigated with some drugs too. True. You know, that's the really sad thing about the lack of psychedelic therapy being legal in this country. Yes. Is that that's one of the best ways to fix it. There's so many people that have fixed a lot of those problems, including friends of mine, particularly with Ibogaine, which I have no experience in. Yeah. I've heard about that. Yeah. Many, many. And there's actual a physical mechanism that happens in your mind that stops the addiction in its tracks as you down the last drops of Kratum, Kava. Kratum Kava, feel free. They had a lawsuit. Yeah. Or they're in a lawsuit. Yeah. There's some shit going on with them. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's going on with that. I don't know what's going on. I haven't updated enough. They said. But it's also like the guy who was doing it drank 10 of them a day. I know. That's what I'm talking about. That's everything. That's like alcohol. That's like pizzas. You're going to sue dominoes because you ordered 10 pizzas a day and you had a fucking heart attack. Or sue alcohol for your problems. I get it. Like regulations give it. It's like, you know, it's like any of these things. It's- I don't like regulations. Responsible. I don't like- some of them are wrong. Well, for quality regulations, those are important. Yes. Well, I like home construction regulations. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Like a lot of those things. Or knowing that this actually is great. Yeah. Car regulations. Yeah. Safety regulations. 100%. I believe in that kind of regulation. Yeah. But I do not believe in regulating human beings' choices of things that they have been consuming for thousands of years. Sure. And to have people that have no experience in those things, be the ones who regulate them, is infuriating to me. I agree with that. Because all the people that tell you that psychedelics should be illegal are not doing psychedelics. Mm-hmm. That's like people saying, you don't need exercise in your sedentary slob. Yeah. It's like, just shut up. You know? All you need is a balanced diet. Bitch, you don't have a balanced diet. So shut the fuck up. At a fat doctor, tell me once, you get all the vitamins you eat from your food, and I look right at his stomach. Oh my god. I'm like, look at you, bro. You little spindly little arms in your gut. You can't even open up a jar of mayonnaise. Shut the fuck up. Because it's like, you got to lead by example, man. Talk the talk, walk the walk. And that's what it's about. And I'm thankful for, you know, Rick Doblin. Oh yeah, you know Rick Doblin. Yeah, we had that little exchange. Yeah, we hung out together. Oh, so cool, man. Like the mothership. He's the best. Cool dude, right? He's so important. Shout out to Rick Doblin and MAPS. They're so important. MAPS. They're so important for elevating the discourse of psychedelics and highlighting the importance and all the benefits. And the fact that they're doing MDMA therapy for soldiers. Yes. And people with PTSD and finding some really excellent results from that. That to me is so promising and so important. And one of the things that you're seeing now that I think is really incredible is people on the right, right wing people that recognize because they have friends that are in the military that have come back and have done, whether it's psilocybin studies or whether, you know, psilocybin therapy or ayahuasca. And they've had amazing results. And it's helped them tremendously. Yes. That is huge. And that's so that's it's changing the way people think about these things where they thought it was just for losers who want to escape reality and you're just a drug addict. And now they're realizing, oh, maybe I was a little closed minded and, you know, you're talking to fucking Navy SEALs that have done it. It's helped them tremendously. Like, oh, I respect those people. I'm changing my perspective. 100%. I mean, it's like psychedelics have been part of our culture since human consciousness existence forever. There's a reason for it. And the reason for it is because it gets us out. To me, it's about creating options. It's like when you end literally sometimes neural pathways, new neurons or these new neural pathways are generated. But it's about like, no, because when you're when you're trapped in either a trauma or something, you're essentially in a really tight loop that you can't see any other way of existing. And when you have a psychedelic, it's like you zoom out and you're like, oh, shit, there's all this other terrain. Yes. And then you can start to heal. But I think like, you know, when I went to the maps convention, I mean, Eric Andre did a maps show with Flaming Lips. But I also spoke on a panel about psychedelics in film. And I'm just like, it's such a huge proponent of it. And the fact that it's being taken seriously and they're doing peer reviewed papers and research, and there's more research being done on it. I love it. I think it's one of the things that could possibly save humanity. Yes. It sounds so crazy to say, but I think you're right. And I agree 100%. I think perspective enhancing things can save people's lives and they can save the way people view the way they could change the way people view the world, which could help us all. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Come on, guys. Let's beam ourselves up. And again, not for everybody. Not for people with like severe mental issues. No, no, no, no. People that have a hard time with regular reality. No, they shouldn't be on it. No, no, no, no. That's just like everything. There's some people that shouldn't drink. There's some people that shouldn't smoke weed. Smoking weed is the one thing that I talk about all the time because there are people that have like real problems when they smoke too much weed and they go crazy. All right. And I've seen it. Yes. No people. I've seen it too. And it's like I've had to learn how to be a lot more compassionate about it because sometimes I'm like, no, they're just faking it. No, no. Or they'd be an enemy. No, that's real and you have to have much more sympathy for that. No. No. The biological variability amongst human beings is very wide and there's some people that just cannot handle a lot of different things and it's not their fault. It's literally who they are. And we're all different. Yeah, I don't know. I just want us to get some perspective and kind of realize like, oh man, we could be doing some pretty amazing shit at all times if we want to. We don't have to always be like, oh, this sucks. I'm pessimistic all the time. You're like, come on, man. It's like you got all this time. I swear to God, when you get older, you're going to think back about all that time that you were wasting and you're going to be like, yeah, complaining. It's like, man, get into the solution, man. Like solutions are fun. Get into the solution. That's your next book. Yeah, that's Reggie Watts, Getting a Solution. But I'll be in a black turtleneck. How long you in town for? Here, I'm doing your club this weekend. So I'm doing five dates at your club. Well, I mean, when this comes out, maybe that doesn't... It's actually fun. Yeah, so I'm doing five dates. Have you been doing clubs a lot? You mean like formal comedy clubs? Yeah. Not throughout my career, not as much. I'd say probably about like 5% of the places. You're going to love the mothership. Oh, I went that one day. I know, but I mean to perform. Oh, perform. Yeah, it's great. I mean, I always tell people, I say like, it's the comedy club because it is, but it is a comedy club that if a comedian wanted to design the perfect comedy club, that's the comedy club that you would make. And that's exactly what it is. Yeah. But it's just got the greatest vibe. I love that there's an independent viewing box for just the comedians, you know, so they can watch the show. Because my thing is like, I hate fucking like being backstage. Chatting is fine, you know, getting to know people is great. But like, I also like to watch the show. Well, the fact that it's attached to the green room was the ultimate. Yeah, that's what I love. When we designed it, and that was a projection room. And I said, what if we had this as our green room instead of the green room being backstage, and then you just look down from these balconies. Love it. Oh, yeah. It's so good. And the projection room was the perfect size. Yeah. It was perfect. And when we opened it up, and we, you know, we removed all the equipment, it is a beautiful labor of love. It really was. And it's so fun to be there now and to have it work so and have it be received so well by my peers, comedians. Yeah. And when they come there, I go, oh my god, this is like you built the place. You built the place for us. Yeah. Okay, it's for you. It's for us. It's for the art form. It really is for the, I designed it and built it, or had someone help me design it or other, but built it exactly for comedy. I didn't build it as a money making venture. My goal was to break even. It could be great if I could break even in this place. I just don't want to lose money. I don't want it to be something I'm pouring money into every year. And I'm like, oh my god, I got to get rid of the club. Yeah. I want it to be able to make money so it's not a strain, but also help the community. And the fact that we have this very strong program for up and coming comedians. We have two nights of open mic nights. We have Kill Tony there. Oh, wow. The door people are all comics who audition for that job with their act. And they all get spots and they get showcase spots and they get a chance to perform and then they get a chance to see some of the best comics in the world come through. Man, it's dope. I tell people that all the time. I'm like, that's where you want to go. If you go to Austin and you get the chance and you can, you definitely got to go there because I mean, I just saw some comedy and I was hanging out in the green room, but I was just like, this is dope, man. This is the type of vibe I would create for a club and the sight lines are great. Everything about it is great for the audience and great for the performer. Yeah, we spent a lot of time. We spent a lot of time thinking about it. And then Louis CK came in and gave me a lot of great tips. Really? Yeah. He told me to lower the ceiling in the small room, make the stage smaller in the small room. And then the big room, lower the ceiling even further. Oh, wow. And it used to be a movie theater, so it was like stadium seating. So we raised the floor. I see. And so now it's all one level. That's how we got it to the point where it's the way it is right now. And that gave you room for the thing downstairs. Yeah, so it gave us the tunnel and it's fucking dope. That's cool. Being able to come in through the alley, that's great. Alley loading. I mean, come on, man. And the place is filled with cops. It's super secure. I love it. Yeah, it's great. It's awesome. Congratulations, man. Thank you. Seriously, I'm glad. I can't wait to perform, man. I can't wait to have you. Reg, you're the fucking man. I love you to death. You are. I love you too.