Why Was Epstein a Science Advocator? w/Lex Fridman | Joe Rogan

Here's a better one. Epstein. Epstein's killer. That's one. Nobody thinks that that guy hung himself. No one. How about that guy? So if you have various theories or various stories that people come out and talk about with that one. Yeah, and I just actually yesterday listened to Eric Weinstein's solo podcast on Jeffrey Epstein. I don't know if you've listened to caught it. He talks about his kind of conspiracy view of it. I wish I was there when he met him. That would have been fascinating to see because Eric is too smart. He's almost like too smart. He's one of those guys you talk to him like, oh, you poor bastard. You're burdened. You're burdened trying to make sense of the world around apes, you know. And all the trauma of in the end, like we were talking about, he's still also the 13, the 20 year old kid. So he's seeing he had a few run ins with authority, which makes it which makes him suspicious of authority. And I think our life experience defines that. So you can see Epstein in a lot of different ways, depending on how you've experienced. Yeah, for sure. Life. I mean, but if you were there, I can tell you very nice. I can see the kill cliff on your I like it. I know actually quite a lot of people that have met Epstein. Do you? Yeah, because you're in the scientific community. Yeah. And especially at MIT, he was a big donor. He tainted a lot of people's reputations by knowing him in a weird way. Basically, if you took a picture with him, your reputation is tainted. Yeah. Yeah, whether you knew him or not. But I think I do think that outside of conspiracy theories that he was an exceptionally charming person. So he was good. You know, the charming people, charming people. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't mean to make it sound positive or negative. It is what it is, is the devil is going to be charming. So right. Right. And the other thing is he genuinely showed curiosity towards scientific ideas, even out there, big scientific, especially. What do you think that was, though? Have you ever thought about that? Do you think that it's possible that, look, I mean, if you just look at it from perspective of is it the big theory, the big theory, right? Is that he's some sort of a intelligence operative, right? Yes. So he's an intelligence operative. Do you think it's a part of his job to try to infiltrate the scientific communities? I mean, there must have been a directive if he really is an intelligence operative. It's not like they're like, hey, go pursue your interest. Hey, I hear you have a really big love of science. Just feel free to do that on the side. No, well, what the fuck was he doing? If he's an intelligence operative, what is the intelligence of having sex with underage girls? It can't be that. Well, the idea of Eric that Eric pushes forward, by the way, I'm talking to him on the podcast I do tomorrow, which is why I'm talking about him a lot. So I've been preparing for like a three hour conversation with Eric Weinstein, which will kill most. Have you met him before? Yeah, I did. I did a podcast. And I've met him and I hung out with him and you and at the comedy store. That's right. That's right. But it's always an overwhelmingly intense experience intellectually. So and in the podcast form, you have to call people out and they're bullshit, which is very hard to do with Eric Weinstein. Yeah, that that theory boy, I checked out 10 minutes into that theory. Oh, the geometric. Yeah. And I tried to go back to it and listen to it again. I'm like, while he was talking, I'm like, OK, I'm so far behind here of what he's I'm just going to like, try to keep up, but recognize that I'm not going to and then go back and then listen to it again. Well, he hates putting stuff into words simply. Yeah. He's like allergic to saying simple stuff because it's not beautiful and witty. So he always like drenches everything in humor and wit and this like beautiful language. Well, he talks to the initiated. He when he's describing complex things, he describes him to people that understand complex things. No, but it's also I mean, this is the criticism I have. This one I'm going to nail tomorrow and always tell him is he almost he hates explaining the basics of something. He just skips ahead. Right. Even for the initiated, it's nice to go to the basics to explain like what are the ground we're standing on. He skips right into the depth of things, which is beautiful, but sometimes requires you listen again. He's too smart. He's hanging out with apes like me. But he and Epstein, he thinks that yeah, his arm. It's possible that Epstein is sorry, what was the term used of the intelligence community is an operative operative of the intelligence community. But the pedophile thing is a mess up on the part of the intelligence. So they didn't know they didn't know that. Yeah, no. So well, it could it could also be that he felt like he get me remember when this was all started out when he started out doing that. It was all before social media, right? So he probably thought that he had this incredible amount of power, because of the fact that he was connected by the intelligence community. If he was, he probably thought he could get away with it. Makes you wonder of all the horrible things that happen in this world before social media, before the spread of information was possible. Craziness.