The Moment Bob Lazar Knew He Was Dealing with Something Alien | Joe Rogan

When did things get weird? When did you realize, at what point in time did you say, hey, this is not normal work, like this doesn't even seem like it's from this planet? That, I can't tell you what day that occurred on because so much time has gone by, the days have kind of fused into one and I can't separate the days. Was it a slow burn or was there a moment of recognition? Well, the first inkling I had was when I came in, there's this facility that is at S4. It's in the side of a mountain. And normally we had pulled in with the bus and gone around the front through a normal double door. This time that I went in, there were hangar doors open. I went into the hangar door and in the hangar door was the disk, the flying saucer that I worked on. I saw it sitting there and we walked by it. It had a little American flag stuck on the side and I thought, oh my God, this finally explains all the flying saucer stories. This is just an advanced fighter and this is fucking hilarious. So I went by, I slewed my hand alongside it. I got reprimanded immediately for touching the thing. And there was a guy, an armed guard that followed us in and just said, keep your eyes forward in your hands at your side and just walk in the door. So that was the first time I had seen anything that was weird. It was some time later that I was introduced to my lab partner, Barry. And we had some of the subcomponents of the craft in the lab. And Barry was very anxious to get a new lab partner. So he was very talkative and couldn't wait to show me different things. And it was in the demonstration of the reactor working where it caught my attention to where this is technology that doesn't even exist. So, I mean, that was the first time I knew that this is really something different. What was it? What was it about this reactor that made you think that it didn't exist? Technologically? Well, I actually have to back up because there were some briefings that I read it before that, that certainly gave me the impression that this was going to be a weird job. But this was the first hands-on thing. This was a small reactor about the size of a hemisphere, about the size of a basketball on a metal plate. And when it was running, it produced a gravitational field, a gravitational field of its own. This is something that we can't do. We can't produce any gravity. The only way we get gravity is from large quantities of mass. But there's no machine we can have that turns on that makes gravity, like you can turn on an electromagnet and it makes a magnetic field. We can't make a gravitational field. Anyway, this device was producing that. And Barry said, almost like he was bragging, go ahead, try and touch the sphere. And I couldn't. It pushed my hands away, just like two light poles of a magnet. So when you take two magnets and try to press them together and they push against each other? Yeah, kind of cushion feeling, but you can't get them together. The closer you put them, the more they push. But you felt that physically with your hand? Yeah, now there's nothing that does that. And that immediately caught my attention, going, wow, this is something else. What was your thought? When you felt that and you knew that there was nothing that you were aware of that could produce this? And that connected me to the briefings that I read on the first day at S4 was that, you know, everything that I had read was apparently accurate. What were you reading? It was kind of an overview. This project was to back engineer the alien craft. And specifically, it was to try and back engineer and see if we can duplicate the technology with available materials. Now, to do this, they split the project into many different pieces for several reasons. They do this on all classified projects. So nobody has the complete story, but they compartmentalize everything. Now, we had the power and propulsion system. So what briefings they gave me were like a one or two page overview of some of the other projects that were going on, you know, on the craft. The only reason they do that is just in case what you're working on is connected intimately in some way that we don't know of to one of the other projects. You have to know their, excuse me, their existence. So, you know, I, again, everything from metallurgy to, you know, weapon potential, the craft, and these were all, you know, essentially very short briefings. But mine was just power and propulsion. And it made it very clear that what I read was accurate. So when you're reading that before you actually saw the reactor, what were your thoughts on what they were describing? If you knew that something like that didn't exist and they're describing it in the briefings, what did you think you were going to see? I really, I didn't know at the time. I mean, I was reading, I thought, is this is some kind of test? See if you're crazy. Well, not to say if I'm crazy to, you know, a lot of times they'll take in real high security jobs. I mean, they'll intentionally insert nonsense into them, whether it's to confuse the fact or if for someone was to leak it out, they would carry that information along and know where it came from. So I read through the documents, but, you know, I didn't know if this was, you know, part of some kind of test or, you know, or what, or was it potentially realistic? I mean, I really didn't consider it being all that possible as far as being the actual thing that I was going to work on at the time. How did they turn it on? The reactor? Yeah. The reactor can be turned on or turned off in a lot of different ways. The way Barry showed me, the hemisphere is removed. There's a small tower in the middle. When you put the hemisphere on, the reactor activates. The reactor shuts down. It's load sensing. So if there's no load on the reactor at all, it shuts down. When there's a load present on it, it starts up again. Load, meaning? You can consider it an electrical load. So although it doesn't necessarily operate electrically, there's no wiring that connects any of the subcomponents together whatsoever. They just have to be in the immediate vicinity. It's a – it is – the stuff is borderline magic. And that's essentially where we left it, you know, when I left the project. So there was no progress made? There was some progress. I mean, we did identify, at least we think, some processes and had a rough idea. We think of what was going on. But I think this is a problem that they've had for a long time. And, you know, I was replacing somebody that Barry worked with prior to me. And I think there was some horrific accident that I didn't have a whole lot of information on. But, you know, Barry alluded to that. A horrific accident, like where someone died or – Yeah, where somebody died. Because they were trying to tamper with things or figure out how something worked? Yeah, the reactor in particular. But yet he let you touch it. Yeah, I think what they were trying to do was cut into one. Oh, geez. Now, they had more than one there. And that was – supposedly there was an unannounced nuclear test. And that's what it was. At the time, remember, they were still doing underground nuclear tests at the test site. But from what I understand, according to Barry, there was an attempt made – now, this must have been a pretty desperate attempt because it's not a very scientific process to cut, you know, analyze something that way. But it looked like they used a plasma cutter or something I got to cut into an operating reactor. How many of these things did they have? They had nine craft altogether. I only got hands-on with one of them. So I can't really say what the – how the others operated. Did you see the other ones? Yeah. At one time and only one time, the bay doors that – between the hangers were all open. And I could see all the way through. And were they all exactly the same? No, they were all different. Different shapes? Yeah. But they were all from somewhere else? Yeah, absolutely. Now, did anyone make any attempt to explain or to tell you where they came from? No, no. No one is the least bit interested in letting everybody know all the facts. They want to give you the minimum information that's necessary to complete your task. So you're not getting the story of where they came from. You're not getting the story of what – how much progress other people are making. You just focus on the small component. But they gave you some indication that they've been working on these for a while? Yeah. When do you think they acquired these? I really couldn't say. I think they've been around for a while. So they bring you into this room. You see this reactor working. You realize this is nothing that as far as like the scientific community at current time has the ability to create. We still don't. What is your life like from that moment on? Is that where everything changes? I would imagine the moment you actually make contact with something that's extraterrestrial, whether it's an object or a being, something where you can absolutely be certain it's not from here, your whole paradigm, the whole world you live in is now a different place. Well, this is the only time it became exciting. The rest of the time it was really an ominous feeling being at work. But at that time it was exciting. Now I knew we were on the absolute beyond the cutting edge of science. I was so absolutely excited to be there every single time I was. This was a fantastic opportunity. However, in short order it began to concern me, we really have no idea what we're talking about. The excitement kind of turned to dread at some point because the amount of power we're dealing with is astronomical. I mean, to affect gravity, to produce the effects like this equipment does takes huge amounts of power. I've given the example before of taking a small portable nuclear reactor and putting it back into Victorian times with the scientists of the time and just dropping it in a room. They come and look at it and see that it's producing power and wonder how it works, so they start taking it apart. As soon as they get some of the shielding off, the people are going to drop dead because of the radiation inside. Now, people have no idea that radiation even exists back then. Anybody that comes in to check on them will also drop dead. There's no reason that that exact scenario couldn't happen with what we're dealing with. We have no idea how the physics operate within this thing. The power levels are, like I said, astronomical. It's incredibly dangerous to tinker with something like that. In some respects, we were guinea pigs. Just try to find out how to make this thing. They had a series, as far as you're surmised, they had a series of different scientists try to back engineer this thing, try to figure out what this thing was, and they would bring in new people and like, let's throw Bob at it. Yeah. I don't know how many, but I knew there was certainly one before me, and I knew he died during the reactor itself. You don't know how many have worked on it and no one gave any indication. For 50 years, it could have been there for five years. When they're giving you instructions, what are they saying? When they're giving you direction, they're showing you all this stuff. What are they saying? Specifically, what are they asking of you? Well, essentially what they ask is what I said. We are just to gather as much information as possible, find out how it operates, and see if we can duplicate it. But they never told you where it was from. They never let you ask questions about where it's from. Well, if the information I read in the briefings was accurate, now what I do have to say is the information that pertained directly to the reactor was accurate. What I read did, I mean, did jive with reality. In terms of how? In terms of how it was made, what we saw, how it operated, the materials, how it turned on, and what was discovered about it. I'm sorry, the migraine is really making it hard for me to think here. Sorry. No, we talked that before the podcast. You tell our buddy Bob was getting a migraine. I know you're very stressed out by this, which is one of the reasons why I appreciate you doing this. Where was I already? We were talking about when you explained it. Oh, right. And so there was some paperwork that indicated that this was from the Zeta reticuli star system. Now, yeah, now how they obtained that, I haven't the slightest idea, but it wasn't just from the Zeta reticuli star system. It was what they called ZR3, so it was a third planet in that star system. So there was no other information about it other than that's supposedly where the craft came from. Now, is that true? I don't know. I have no way of verifying that, but that was printed in the same materials that referenced the reactor. Now, I looked that stuff up when I went home, and Zeta reticuli is a binary star, two stars that orbit one another, and it's only visible in the southern hemisphere, and it's about 30 some odd light years away. So that's literally all the information I have about that. I don't know how they found out it came from there. And you also probably have some suspicions that they give you some disinformation like you were talking about before. Yeah. I mean, if you ever decided to talk about this, they added a bunch of nonsense to make whatever is factual look ridiculous. Right. Or be able to trace it down. Like, hey, this fax came out and, you know, this Lazar guy said it came from Zeta reticuli, so they knew it was. When you read Zeta reticuli, were you like, what in the fuck is this? Well, reading all of this stuff, it was what in the fuck is this? You're like, why did I sign up for this? No, no, it went to me. This was cool. This was interesting. I said, I was just excited to be out in a secure area, you know, in the middle of the desert. I said, this is awesome. How old are you at the time? I get as in my 20s. Yeah. So you're probably totally geeked out. Oh, yeah. This was great. I mean, I was excited. So I didn't care. I'm reading through everything. So you read through all the Zeta reticuli thing, but then when you see the actual Starship with the little American flag sticker on it. Well, that was. Was that later or before? That. That was before. So before. So you see the thing before and you say, oh, this is America. Wait, was that before? Hard so many years. Yeah, I can't. Either way, it doesn't matter. The days have fused together. It's so hard to separate what happened in each visit. Do you remember the thought process when you read that it's from Zeta reticuli? Yeah, it didn't hit me like a ton of bricks or anything. It was just like, yeah, okay. You think it was bullshit? I don't know. Now I don't. I mean, because when I read it, I hadn't verified anything. And this was just a bunch of stuff I was reading. And I thought maybe after this, they're just going to give me a test and see what I can remember in crazy information. And then it would. But like I said, when I finally went in with Barry and had hands on experience with what they were talking about, it's not gone a completely different meaning. So there's a plate. There's this thing that looks like half a basketball. And when it's on, you can't come anywhere near it. You can't touch it. Right. How is what is gravity about that? Like the concept of gravity, most people's gravity is bringing something towards it. Right. Well, I guess you would say it's anti gravity. It's gravity shifted 180 degrees. It's, you know, anti gravity. And did they have any understanding about what could possibly create this effect? Did they have any areas where they'd like you to look into? No, they, well, they knew there was a fuel source in it. And they were proficient at making it work. And again, my analogy to something like this is you can drop a motorcycle off in the wagon train days and just leave it with the keys. Parked outside, you know, somebody's place. Everybody will come around it and they'll poke and prod and eventually they'll turn the key, get it to start and become proficient at writing it. Yeah. But they won't be able to understand what the hell is going on. They won't be able to make the plastic fender, much less anything else. And I think that's exactly the state we were at. We played around with the parts long enough before I got there where they could make the reactor operate, take the fuel out and know that it makes it work. How exactly what was going on in the reactor remained a mystery at the time. I think we made some progress on what was going on inside, but I don't think anybody really knew anything. They could just watch what was going on and make note of it.