Bob Lazar Explains How the Gravity Propulsion System Inside a UFO Works | Joe Rogan

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Bob Lazar

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Bob Lazar is a physicist who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, and also on reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology at a site called S-4 near the Area 51 Groom Lake operating location.

Jeremy Corbell

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Jeremy Corbell is an investigative filmmaker, UFOlogist, artist, and author.

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You should tell him some of the stuff that you've read that you don't know is true. I mean, if the stuff was true about the propulsion stuff, I mean, anyway. Well, what have you read? What have you read? What you saw, too. What are you talking about? Spill the beans, Bob. I got to poke the bear here a little bit. Get some more liquor in you. Well, I mean, again, the only thing I could verify was what I had my hands on. There was talk of weapon systems. There were different projects. Project Galileo. Project Sidekick was supposed to be weapon applications of the craft. Project Looking Glass had to do with time, any effects of time in the craft. I don't think we're not talking about making a time machine like in science fiction, but we're talking about small distortions, intentional distortions of time and how that can be used as a... Well, it was part of a weapon program. How were you informed in this? These, again, were just the small briefings that I read. But again, I don't really like to talk about those because I don't have any information on them, and it was just small briefings. But you told Commander Fraber that what he saw might have been a time dilation and not gravity propulsion. Well, it could be because gravity affects time, you know, space time. I'm sure you've heard of that. And, you know, what Commander Fraber saw as he was in the F-18 approaching it, he said he described it as a ping pong ball in a cup and shaking it back and forth. It was moving that fast. Now, obviously, if there's anything inside there, it's going to be battered to hell. But, you know, my point was was that, well, one of two things, either there's a gravitational envelope in there which negates any inertia effects, or you are seeing through a gravity distortion field. So, you know, just like you're looking at a hot highway and you see, you know, an optical distortion going through there. Well, the same thing happens in gravity and the craft may not actually be moving like that. It may just look like it because you're seeing, you can only see it through the field. So, it may be making much more gentle moves. I'm not saying that's it, but it has to be one of the two. And the thing shows up 60 miles away. They noticed it on radar 60 seconds after it left Commander Fraber, but it was at his cap point, which is the next point he was destined to go to. 60 miles away and in 60 seconds on radar, the same object ends up there. So, it's going a mile a second. No, I think the radar just picked it up in 60 seconds. Yeah, it could have been there instantly, but yeah, we don't know. The cycle time. Nobody knows. That's the whole thing. So, it cycles like radar cycles. Yeah, it doesn't sweep, but I mean, it scans. Yeah, it's a planer array. So, it just scans around it, it ran in place. That's a spy one, does the really cool. It doesn't do the whole loop anymore. Right. The point is though, that the craft moved to his next location before he knew where his next location was going to be. Jesus. And that's, I mean, that's well documented. So, that's a pretty shocking piece of information. What's fascinating to me too is that you were discussing this, the way this reactor worked and that these things were not really connected. No, nothing is connected. There's no wiring at all. That freaks me the fuck out. Charge your iPhone, you know. Yeah. Well wireless. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the simple electromagnetic. Well, me Tesla. Yeah, I know again, but that's just simple electromagnetic induction. Right, but I mean, Tesla, the scientist had this concept of... Right, that's what he's... Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, for other people that don't know what we're saying, that he wanted to send wireless electricity through the sky. And Westinghouse was like, get the fuck out of here with that. Like, when anybody could just pull electricity out of the sky. Can't meter. Yeah, they couldn't. We had this talk in the car right over, trying to chill him out, you know, we're talking about Tesla. You know, he couldn't be metered and now it all went down. So, it's funny you bring it up. Yeah. That, I mean, who knows what would have happened in terms of innovation had he been allowed to go forward with that? Well, we probably wouldn't have computers. You think? Yeah, I'm pretty positive. Why is that? I mean, forget about microelectronics. Well, this is dumping huge amounts of electromagnetic energy in the air. And yeah, we'd be able to wirelessly turn on our lights, but there'd be no radio communication. The interference would be something we could, would be overwhelming. It would induce electric currents in anything with a small wire on it. So, integrated circuits, transistors would be disintegrated before they were even, you know, tested for operation. So, it would destroy it. Maybe it would have fucked us up. Yeah, it would have stopped us dead. We'd have, it'd be great. You could turn lighters on and heaters from all over the place with no wires, but it would stop modern electronics. And if we became dependent on it, it would almost be like our dependence on fossil fuels. Although it's destructive, it's very difficult for us to get off the nipple. It would have changed the course of how we developed, which is so interesting when you talk about a civilization of the star system didn't even start with fossil fuels. They had 115 naturally on their planet. And they're like, cool, anti-gravity is pretty awesome. Well, the fact that they didn't have – I think it's important that that actually happened. Yeah. It might have been stopped in its tracks for a reason. Whoa. And it's just – I think it's incredibly difficult for us to imagine technological progression under another timeline other than the one that we've experienced. Yeah, that's difficult. If we imagine what this alien race must have been like, and I mean, God, just to be able to see something – I mean, obviously we've seen it in different life forms, right? Like we see the life of certain beetles in comparison to the life of certain fish. Very, very different existence, very different life cycles. Octopus. Yeah, octopus. I mean, we see all these different variables in terms of biological entities on Earth, but we don't see it in terms of technological innovation as we're the only one that's intelligent that can innovate. I mean, we have intelligent creatures, but they're in the ocean. The only other thing that are like us are dolphins and orcas and whales, and they don't have the ability to manipulate their environment. And subsequently, because they don't have the ability to manipulate their environment, we put them in fish tanks, and we're like, get in the tank, do some tricks. You know, the only thing he saw in the craft, if we're considering Bob's story, the only thing that he saw in the craft that he related to that looked like a human could make was this honeycomb hatch. And I always loved that because you're like obsessed with this thing that you could recognize. Yeah, I only focus on that because it was the one thing that I understood how it worked. What was it? And it was the access to the level below. And it was, well, you know, if you take a six pack of beer and you take out the cardboard dividers, set it on the table, you can put a lot of pressure on the top. But if you push it from the sides, it collapses flat. So it was something like that in a honeycomb shape that was essentially some sort of sheet metal. And you could walk on that in the upper layer, but if you took the corner, stuck your finger in and pushed, it collapsed and made an entryway. So I thought that was a really unique, I'd never seen that before, and it was the only thing in the craft that made absolute sense to me. I said, ah, we can make that. And all that is is a hatchway. Was there any discussion about the materials that were used to make the craft? I'm sure there was, but that was a metallurgy division. It had nothing to do with us. So you never got a... Not even the slightest briefing. I don't even know if it was metal or it was ceramic. I think there's a fine line between the two.