MIT Scientist Pushes Back on Andrew Yang's Automation Warnings | Joe Rogan

And so, in that sense, people that are genuine and have ideas, like Andrew Yang is another one. He has a ridiculous number of ideas. I don't know if you've seen like... He thinks all cops should be purple belts in Jiu-Jitsu. I'm like, go Andrew. He has a million other ideas like that. He does. Well, he's a genius. I mean, he's a brilliant guy. And he's an entrepreneur. So he comes at this stuff from a different angle. Yeah. And he's open-minded. Yes. Well, I disagree with him on his evaluation of the state of artificial intelligence and automation in terms of its capabilities and having an impact on the economy. You don't think it's going to be as much of a deal as he thinks it is? On the time scale that he thinks it is. But I also want to be careful sort of commenting on that because I think for him, it's a tool to describe the concerns, the suffering that people go through in terms of losing their job, like the pain that people are feeling throughout the country. It's like a mechanism he uses to talk to people about the future. And there are people that are well off, like the different tech companies that should also contribute to investing in our community. I mean, the specifics, I want to kind of sit back and relax a little bit. It's like when you watch a sci-fi movie and the details are all really bad. I want to just...suspension or disbelief or whatever and just enjoy the movie. In the same way, the stuff he says about AI, he's not very knowledgeable about AI and automation. So it touches me a little bit the wrong way. We're not as far along. The transformative effects of artificial intelligence in terms of replacing humans in trucking autonomous vehicles, something I know a couple of things about, is not going to be as... I could speak relatively confidently. The revolution in autonomous vehicles would be more gradual than Andrew is describing. But that's okay. He has a million other ideas. And UBI, nevertheless, the University of Basic Income, or some kind of support structure of that kind, nevertheless could be a very good idea for people that lose their job, for people to be mobile in terms of going from one type of job to another type of job, so continually learning through their life. It's just that artificial intelligence, in this case, I don't think will be the enemy. There could be other things that are a little bit sort of neighbors of artificial intelligence, which is sort of the software world, eating up some of the mechanization of factors and so on. Maybe the fact that the kind of way that Tesla and Elon Musk are approaching the design and engineering of vehicles that are a little bit more software-centric will change, will sort of move some of the job from Detroit, Michigan, in terms of cars, to the Silicon Valley, not necessarily location-wise, but sort of a different type of person would need to be hired to work on cars, a little bit more software-engineery, software-centric, versus the sort of hardcore mechanical engineers, more sort of tradition called car guys. Yeah. Yeah, so there will be some job replacements, so on, but it's not this artificial intelligence. Trucks will completely replace your job. And in the case of trucks, there's a lot of complicated aspects about the impact of automation. Sort of trucking jobs, there's actually a lot of need for jobs. Like, there's not the truck, that job, there's already people leaving that job sector. It's a really difficult job. It doesn't pay as well as it should. It's really difficult to train people and so on. So the impact that he talks about in terms of AI is a little bit of exaggerated. But like I said, a million really good ideas. He's open-minded. So in terms of, I think, the nice role of a president is to have ideas, like the Purple Bell one, to inspire people and inspire Congress to implement some of those ideas and be open-minded and not take yourself seriously enough to think that you know all the right answers. Andrew Yang, Bernie is like that, although Bernie's like 78 years old, so he's getting up there. Yeah, look at President Tulsi when he kicks the bucket. You know what, I didn't realize, well, yeah, so I think Hillary Clinton endorsed Bernie and Tulsi Gabbard for president, reverse endorsement. Accidentally. Accidentally, by say. It's just such a petty thing to say that no one likes Bernie. Like, come on, lady, you're in the twilight of your life. I think she's really aware of the fact that if she says something like that, people are going to like Bernie more. I think it's an endorsement. I don't think she has any idea of that. I think she's super insulated. I think she thinks that she can actually hamstring him by saying something like that. And she doesn't understand that it just makes people realize that the things that they say about her are correct. I don't think you gave her enough credit. Really? You gave her credit for killing Epstein. I was joking. I don't think she did it. I think Bill did it. I'm joking, too. Somebody did it. I don't know who it was. Maybe it's some scientist character. Maybe he's still alive. Could be. That's what Eddie Bravo thinks. Eddie Bravo thinks he's in like Dominican Republic somewhere, eating bananas and drinking Mai Thais. It's a conspiracy, on the conspiracy. Yeah, well, Eddie's always like that. He's many levels deep. He plays 4D chess when it comes to conspiracies. Do you think that Andrew Yang is off, but ultimately will be correct in terms of the automation timeline? Do you think that maybe he doesn't know clearly as much as you know about automation and artificial intelligence? But do you think that it's possible that, you know, I think he's looking at a timeline, I think he was thinking within the next 10 years, millions and millions of jobs are going to be replaced. Do you think that it's more like 20 years or 30 years? But still something he could turn? So the timeline, of course nobody knows, but I think the timeline is much, the time scale is more stretched out. So 20, 30 years. And it'll continue. There'll be certain key revolutions. And those revolutions, it's an incorrect word to use, but they'll be stretched out over time. I think the autonomous vehicle revolution is something to achieve a scale of millions of vehicles that are fully autonomously navigating our streets, I think it's 20, 30 years away. And it won't be like all of a sudden, it'll be gradual. It'll be people like the former Google self-driving car, Waymo company, who's doing a lot of testing now, incredible engineer. I visited them for a day. It'll be expanding their efforts slowly. They're doing also Waymo trucks, autonomous trucking. They're already deploying them in Texas, I think. And then of course Tesla, who's this year going to approach a million vehicles, and they're trying to achieve full self-driving capability. But that's going to be gradual.