Michael Malice - Jake The Snake's Story of Abuse Helped My Friend | Joe Rogan

Do you remember when they had that 11 year old drag queen? Oh, the Desmond is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And they were making this big deal about it. Yeah. And he's going to drag clubs and dancing around. They put it in the news. Like it was some, this, what a, what a great thing. What a great thing. He's living his truth. He's so brave. He imagined if there was a 12 year old that was just sworn to be a hoe. Like I am a hoe. I'm just going to wear fishnets. Right. I'm going to wear heels and I'm going to stick my ass out and I'm going to dance and powder around with a lot of, a lot of makeup on. How different is that? Well, he's also on the spectrum, I think I'm 99% sure. So the, and this photos him with naked drag queens, Violet Chachki. And it's just like, look, this is something for, what if there's like a little boy who's being a Chippendales, you know what I mean? It's like, how is this appropriate for kids? And it's on Good Morning America. It's different. Is there a bunch of ladies screaming and trying to get that dick? Well, I mean, that would be the equivalent, right? Because he's performing at gay clubs and they're cheering him on. That's a place where guys go to hook up with guys. Well, here's the question too. Do you think guys have hooked up with him? No. Oh, I hope not. Oh, let's talk. You want to talk about this? Because this is a rabbit hole that I've been on recently. Oh boy. I don't know. Kids getting fucked rabbit holes? Yeah. Because I had a friend in October who sat me down and he's like, look, I was raped as a kid for a long time. And he only realized because of this show, because he was watching when Jake the Snake was on this show. Oh my God. My friend Matt and everything Jake was saying, he's like, holy shit, this is me. And this really fucked him up for a while. And he's talking to me and he goes, I can't even be mad because it was another older kid and I know he was getting it worse than me. And the thing that's really fucked up is he didn't know how I was going to react. Right? So used to be mommy's sleepy. No, mommy was a drunk, right? And until Betty Ford, the first lady came out as an alcoholic, now people like, if you someone says, oh, my mom's an alcoholic, you're like, oh, that sucks, but you don't think anything of them. Right? Right. If someone's, if daddy had a temper, no, daddy was abusive, but we know what to do with that information. And when I started talking about this on Twitter and elsewhere, that this is really common. And because all of us do not think of kids in this way, we don't want to think about it. It's so sick. They're the ones who have to deal with this nightmare. And it's really, really, everyone I've talked to knows someone. And I just told another friend when he's like, oh, yeah, my sister, I just found out was being molested by her grand, our grandfather, their whole life. And then it's like, she's the one who's acting out and we're yelling at her for acting out. So Joe, I mean, one of the things I wanted to talk about is this is something that has to change. These people can't be the ones who have to worry that if they tell me or your friend that we're going to look at them like, oh, you're free. Got to know what to do with this. Because they're the ones who are suffering for a very long time. I think that keeps people from speaking out because of that fear of being labeled like they'd they'd almost rather keep it to themselves and not have other people know that they've been molested. They don't want to for you to be uncomfortable around them. And there was a girl in my high school. She told another girl that her brother had been raping her for years and she went to mom and mom says, you know what you're talking about. That can't happen. But this happens all the time and we don't have the space to discuss it. So I've just been kind of talking about this a lot more and encouraging people to talk about this a lot more because it's there really, really a lot of people who are suffering because of this. And what do you do? Here's the big question, something like that. What do you do to help the person who's been molested and what you do? What do you do to the person who molest someone? Well, the person who did it, I have I can't even begin. I don't know. I think what happens is just like with gay rights, right? The more people who come out and talk about it, the more easy it is for someone to call someone else and be like, this happened to me. You know what I'm going through. Let's have this conversation. Have you seen this very strange trend that's rare, but common enough and actually predicted where people are talking about people that are pedophiles that had some sort of a sexual inclination that we should have sympathy for them because it's no it's nothing they asked for and it's no different than being born gay or being you. It is just a thing where you're born in a way that is there any science to back that up at all? I would perfectly happy to believe that people can be born with this inclination. I don't care if I'm born to an inclination that I want to murder people. Well, I better figure out how to deal with this. You know what I mean? And I think that's a complete in many ways, red herring. If it's something that they can't change that does that makes it worse. That means you have no reason to even exist or too dangerous. Yeah. Right. You're cannibal that can only eat meat. Right. You're a vampire living amongst us. Right. Because instead of sealing souls, you're stealing someone's future. And the thing about these types is they're very common. Like any predator, you're going to be drawn to where the resources are. So they're going to be disproportionate in those fields where you are interacting with your targets. Right. So that's what makes it so sick. It's not like you have these ideas. Okay, fine. You could have whatever ideas you want. You are laying that groundwork to prey on these kids and you know what you're doing. And again, I don't know what to do with this information, but I do know that this is really, really bad. And people talk about this is the truest form of being a victim there is. And the sickest part about it to me is how many of these kids go on to molest other kids. Yeah. It's like a disease. They've caught a disease. I told Matt that he should... There's two ways, right? They go on. I told Matt, you should consider reaching out to this guy and telling him you forgive him because it's possible that you're like 10 or 11, you're doing this. You grow up and you realize what you've done and what this means. And I don't know how you could live with yourself. Right. Well, we have to hope and assume that it ended with that, that he didn't continue doing it as if he'd get older and older with the same age child. Yeah. And what's even worse, what happens when it's within the family? Right. And it happens all the time. This happens. I talked to someone who's a former sheriff when I was in the Midwest and this was his job helping these kids. He goes, it is so much more prevalent than you think. And what happens is families, you know how back in the day you don't want to talk about divorce because it's shameful. I didn't even understand what they were ashamed of, whatever. And now it's like, oh, that's just crazy Uncle Nick, keep him away from the kids. It's like, that's not a thing. Crazy Uncle Nick. Yeah, there's too many of us already. Yeah. The thing is like even saying that there's too many of us, we should kill pedophiles. Like that's, if you put that up like in a real intimate situation, you're talking just a bunch of people that really cared about each other and we're good friends. Like, I think we should kill pedophiles. They'd be like, fuck yeah. Sometimes people would say yes, but in public, in public discourse, like saying, we should kill pedophiles. Like, okay, but here's a problem. Sometimes people get accused of being pedophiles and they're not. Like, you remember that school that there was a daycare school and these kids were actually being coached into saying, they were little kids. It was a famous case and then eventually the case all fell apart, but not before these people's reputations were ruined. Everything was ruined. Their business was shattered all because these kids had made stuff up and then other people had like coached them into making more stuff up and then everything got crazier and crazier. What was the name of that? It was a very famous case. I mean, they made a documentary about it because it shows almost like there's a mass hysteria that can go on, especially when you're talking about something that's particularly heinous, right? Like the abduction and or the rape of children or other, because we're all so scared of that being real that we'll pay attention as much as possible. So they have these news stories. They have all these different things that are attached to this. And then people keep probing and they keep asking questions and then it accelerates and grows because it's a focal point of attention. People start lying. But we're also so scared. So we don't want to think it could be true. We don't want to think either one can be true. Someone would molest kids or the kids would be coached into lying. But I'm both of them are horrible. I'm much more concerned with people who are dealing with this and how they can get. Yes, of course. No, of course. And I think that I'm saying that's why you can't kill him. Oh, yeah. I'm not advocating killing anybody. I'm just advocating for people. And I don't I'm not a victim of this. I just have a friend. And again, everyone I've talked to know someone one degree of separation. Oh, yeah. And I'm just saying for the people who had gone through this, just like Matt listening to the show, this is what I told him. When I've my experience, when people come to you in a vulnerable way, don't tell them what you do. You think they want to hear be as vulnerable in return. So I said to him, I don't Matt, I don't care. I don't think of you any differently. I don't think you're damaged. I don't think you're a freak. I think it's awful. I can't relate to this at all. I know you're glad I can't relate to this at all. And I think it's great that you want me to kind of talk about this to stop someone from blowing their brains out.