Michael Jordan's Ego

So there's pros and cons there, but my point was that there is something to the ego in that regard where I think you almost have to have it to be Michael Jordan, right, for instance, who had a tremendous ego. Huge. Yeah. But also one of the greatest, if not the greatest basketball player of all time. But obsessed. Did you ever see the video? Jamie actually played it for me once. There was a video where this guy was talking shit about Michael Jordan after he retired. And so Michael Jordan came back and played him one on one and just scourched him, scorched him while he's talking shit the whole time. Who was that, Jamie? Did you play me that? No, it's happened multiple times though. I mean, in the documentary, they go over five or six different situations where he's going back over someone that's slighted him in the tiniest way and just wreaked havoc on 40 points on him. Like you would act like they don't exist, all sorts of funny stuff. Yeah, his ego was substantial and is, I'm sure. But also the results are substantial. Right. And so the question I wonder, and this is really a question because I don't get to study high performance athletes with narcissism work. You don't get to do it. I mean, you can get data from presidents and stuff that you can get from historians, but you just don't really have the data. And I wonder it, like obviously from Muhammad Ali and stuff and that sort of braggadocio before fights, that if in those combat sports, ego is super important to develop. I mean, theoretically it makes sense. One on one competition. Yeah. It's not about a team. You just have to win. Up to a point, I would say. Well, what I was saying before was that the people that get destroyed, who have these enormous egos, when they get exposed, it takes incredible character to build yourself back up. And some never do. Some get psychologically defeated and they're never the same again. Because the pain of loss and the pain of being exposed as being inferior to your opponent is just too much. But I wonder, is that such a rare example of when it would be beneficial to be narcissistic or beneficial to have an ego? I mean, it's, but if you look across the literature, the place it seems to work is individual competitiveness. Because if you're in a team, so imagine, you see this in teams all the time. So the old story is the quarterback goes in front of the cameras and goes, yeah, I want it for the team. And the next time the front line just lets the defense through and the quarterback's dead. So he goes, next time he wins, he goes, yeah, I just want to thank my team and God. And then the team supports him. Because in a team sport, you can't be really successful without a team. Maybe basketball a little bit, but like football and stuff. So it keeps that ego in check. But with boxing or fight, it's just you. It is, but it also is a team as well because you need a coach. You need someone to train you correctly. And in Tyson's case, when his coach died, when custom motto died, and then his relationship with his coaches afterwards deteriorated to the point where he really was just having like bucket carriers in the ring with him. His career faded. So you need a back office. Kind of you need someone you respect too. You need someone who's like, hey man, you keep dropping your fucking left hand. Stop doing that. Like, okay, okay, okay. Thank you. And someone who sees your failures and your mistakes and checks you on them and you need to respect that person. So does Michael Jordan have that person? I think Michael Jordan was so hard on himself and so obsessed with winning. I mean, I think this is why I wanted to bring him up because I think there's psychological issues that these extreme winners have that you don't get to where they are without them. It's like the, where the illness becomes beneficial, right? If you're not sadistic, you don't make a good serial killer. Right. Or a good internet troll. Yeah. But if you're not narcissistic or an egomaniac, I wonder if you ever become a guy like Michael Jordan who's just so dominant. Well, he's an example of somebody who's very egotistical. I mean, that's the, I don't know him, but that's what people say. He's very competitive, you know, and it's obviously work form and you see it with all it. So the other option might be that, well, if you're kind of a dick and you're really, really good, people will let you get away with it. Episodes of the Joe Rogan Experience are now free on Spotify. That's right. They're free from September 1st to December 1st. They're going to be available everywhere, but after December 1st, they will only be available on Spotify, but they will be free. That includes the video. The video will also be there. It'll also be free. That's all we're asking. Just go download Spotify. Much love. Bye bye. Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! Mwah!