Jordan Peterson "Heaven and Hell are as Real as You Make Them" - The Joe Rogan Experience

Hello freak bitches. One of the things say we do with the future authoring program, we offer people a little heaven. It's like, okay, construct your ideal. Aim at it. Come up with a plan. You're going to modify the plan, no problem. You're going to do a bad job of it? No problem. Just do it. Okay, so then now you've got a goal. It's now your approach systems, technically speaking. The positive emotion systems that motivate you are engaged because they're engaged in relationship to a goal. And the more transcendent the goal, the more they're engaged. But that's not good enough. It's great to run towards something you like, but it's even better to run away from something that terrifies you. So then we ask people, okay, so here, think about this real carefully. Take all your faults and your inadequacies and your hatred for life, all of that. And then imagine that gets the upper hand. And then think about where you could be in 3 to 5 years. And everyone knows, hey, some people know they'd be a street person. Some people know they'd be an alcoholic. Some people know they'd be a prostitute or a drug addict. Like everybody's got their own little hell they could descend into with fair degree of rapidity and a fair bit of enjoyment. And people know that. And so I say, well, delineate that out, too. So you know where you're headed when you fall off the path. And so then you're running away and running towards, it's like, yes, well, that's heaven and hell. And you need it. And they're real. They're as real as anything that you can... It depends on what you mean by real, I suppose. But they're as real as you make them. How about that? And people can make hell pretty real. People do seem to construct these pitfalls for themselves. I mean, self-sabotage is one of the most common things that you find in people that are struggling. I mean, you would think that someone who is struggling, the last thing they'd want to do is help themselves towards their own demise. But it's super common. Yeah, well, I thought about that, too. And so you tell me what you think about this. Because if you talk to people, they say, well, I want to have a meaningful life. Generally, people want that. But then you think, well, then why aren't you? And then you think, well, what does it mean to have a meaningful life? Exactly. And then you think, well, maybe it means that you have to take on responsibility. Your sacrifices have to be worth something, right? It has to have some meat what you're aiming at. It has to be something that can elevate your worm-like self to the level of tolerability. You know, you can say, well, yeah, I've got all these flaws, but look at what I'm trying to do. That's the real ground of self-respect. Well... .