Joe Rogan & Teddy Atlas on Canelo vs GGG II

So, so listen man you were you just came back from the Canelo triple G fight which was a phenomenal fight That was a phenomenal fight. I really enjoyed that fight I think people exaggerate how good fights are nowadays like if they're around everything's great Yeah, I think everything is if a pitcher has one good year in baseball. He's great He's like the next Santa Colfax like people don't wait to see and and truly graded Against things that were out of their era because you know we're human like hey, I was there I reported on it. It's the greatest fight ever and really think so no no, but that's what people I think it was a really good fight. Yeah, but everything's relative. You know and It depends on Everything is influenced the judgment of people's influence at least I see it in my view for whatever that's worth by what's around and how hungry they are like Everybody bought the Pacquiao Mayweather first fight because the fans were hungry their imagination was like there's no good fights, right? This is gonna be a good fight. So they're They're anticipating it so you got them at the right time If it was the 80s and you had Lennon Duran Pinnell Whitaker Hagler, you know You had um Hearns. I mean you had all these great fight Aaron Pryor. You had all these guys fighting each other You probably couldn't have pulled off the the Mayweather Pacquiao Thing that you pulled off and it turned out to be a you know a bit of I don't want to say scam But it definitely wasn't what it lived up to be wasn't that because Pacquiao came into the fight injured. I don't believe it I never saw any listen I'm not saying you need to have an injury but you you're in a tough business You you were in Taekwondo and all that kind of fighting stuff and MMA and whatever part of it I'm probably not giving it the proper Understanding of what it was and and exactly what part of the fighting not just MMA I'm being too broad, but I know you did Taekwondo you did kickboxing I know that you you were a national champion when you were young somebody show me something about it so You you do things when you're injured I mean like when are you not injured if you're if you're a football player if you're a fighter if you're in the contact But tell me when you're not injured like when there's not something wrong. So I never saw Proof during that bout I was their governor for ESPN I never saw proof where he winced or or he didn't throw that hand or or he threw it in a In a poor way or in a less than high level way. I never saw that. So listen, I'm not in his body you know and and I'm not a mind reader, but I Didn't see it. But what I did see I saw him in his trainer in the runway was more telling to me Taking selfies because they had got paid a few extra dollars to promote Some kind of product where the selfies were attached to it So I saw that to me that was more debilitating To see a guy before the biggest fight of his life Where people were going crazy and and gonna break the pay-per-view record and paying $100 for the freaking thing To see him taking a selfie when the mentality should be in a different place and normally is in a different place Before you're about to walk that hundred yards to the ring where you might not come out of there It's always possible. You have to have that mentality. I thought that was more debilitating than anything I saw physically with what was supposed to be an arm injury. So to me look to me maybe I know if it's fair to say it was a money grab, but obviously It was a bit of a money grab. They were beyond themselves You know one guy was retired he came back for it they were beyond the peak of their abilities in their career and I just I just didn't see I Didn't see that fight The purpose to it. Well, it happened about five six years late. Yeah. Yeah, I just I mean What what I I Everyone who gets in a ring they deserve to make as much money as they can I never I never say that a fighter got overpaid never I don't care I never say that because I understand what it took to get to that point and But you know you can you can play with things and you know You can you can kind of lead people to things and again where we started with this conversation You know, it's the time you're around the the environment What's not around not just what's around but what's not around right, you know Not that many great fights to be made right now Yeah So when triple G canelo fight is important because there's not a lot of guys waiting in the wings It's not like the old days of the 1980s of the glory days of the welterweight and middleweight division No, it's not and and the people you know, they they have a thirst if you will to see something that the PR department can Bring it can use the right material because they there has to be fighters That obviously are marquee fighters with a name that they can build it and get the imagination of the people to say this is Gonna be a great one. So when they see it and they pay $100 on eighty five dollars or ninety five dollars Whatever the heck they're playing For the fight and then it's a good fight. Well becomes a great fight because of all those elements because You know, it's doing your time. You saw it you committed to it you sacrificed to pay that money you sacrifice to fly there and yeah, a really good fight becomes a Iconic fight. Yeah. Yeah, and and I don't think we separate that in our minds. I don't think Hey who says we have to because right it's about enjoyment So if that if that makes people happy, hey, that's part of that's part of what goes into the mix of entertainment But I didn't see it when I try to separate that being in the business I didn't see it as you know, the thrill and Manila. I saw it as a Really good solid fight and they once again, unfortunately took away from it with Controversy with the decision. Did you think that I thought the first decision was terrible. I thought triple G clearly won the fight I thought the second decision was arguable. I saw like this is this looks like a draw to me It was an amazing fight. I mean, I gotta be honest because I mean, that's what you're supposed to be and who do you think one? I had a 117 112 and a little lot of people gonna say For you had it too far. I had a pickle off good and all week long I picked canelo to win on ESPN on sports and I was working So I Between 112 big yeah, it's five out. So yeah. Yeah, so I'm you know you you start to You human you start to hear people's like you, you know They know some about fighting that is had it closer So you maybe you don't want to yell that you had a 117 112, but yeah, you still got to yell it yeah, because that's what you believe that's what you saw and I Still say it I still yell it that it was They didn't give them credit for jabs like jabs don't count normal like I'm not gonna pick out anybody because that's not really fair to do when you have a podium and they don't have a podium but Sometimes it is because they deserve it but not not generally and The judges nowadays I I think that They just give it I see too often That they almost go down the easy route like you know They just give it to who's aggressive a guy's walking forward a guy's throwing punches It's like they're favoring that guy and it's more to it than that and I understand that the sport doesn't help itself They don't make a clear criteria for but it's supposed to be clean harder effective punches because the separation of Professional boxing and amateur boxing is you have to sell it you have to make money, right? And you got to put fannies in the seat So you want to see guys get hurt you want to see guys impact guys? So it's the cleaner who hurts the guy more. It's the cleaner more impactful punches, but it's not just throwing It's not just aggression because the aggression has to lead to something effective effective aggression so I I saw for me to get it to that 117 112 I saw Galapkin on the outside Controlling range controlling distance you want to use that silly word ring generalship because I have the time I don't know what they're talking about. They say ring general like right. What are you talking about? I just saw the way you judged it. What would it where did you fit in ring generalship into that? Into your thinking because I'd like to know but if it is ring generalship He was controlling the range. He was controlling outside He was keeping the shorter man on the outside catching him with the champ making him earn his way in Making them pay a price to get in now was the other guy can elbow being the other guy landing the hard clean Body shots that sometimes you don't get credit for yeah, he was oh, yeah, like I say on ESPN He was putting water in the basement. Yeah, he definitely was but The jab didn't count suddenly was suddenly in our universe Where the jab of a guy doesn't mean anything when we don't want it to mean anything when we want to give it to the? Aggressive guy to the to the guy trying, you know trying to get in there The question is like what's more important is a jab more important or hook to the body? What is more important in your heart to the body clean is more important more important But if the jab out numbers the hooks to the body through many rounds and and the numbers are Significant that it's greater than then you have to account for that, right? So you think that people are watching? They're watching a couple of jabs and then one hook to the body and they count that one hook to the body better than they Count the two jabs and I don't have a problem with that because I counted that way too if it's a good shot Yeah, because again a power shot. Yeah, because that is what's gonna drive people to the event right to the sport There's a harder punches. So I have no problem with that. But if the jabs are 20 jabs right and it's two body punches Well, then I'm starting to say we can't forget the jabs because the body punches got your attention. Mmm and and it you know Moved out of your seat a little bit maybe because for whatever reason so I'm just saying that The criterion is not clean enough For the judges sometimes well, it's a bit even bigger mess in MMA and it's a lot of the same judges I mean, I think the problem with judging is the same in both sports. You should have someone who has experience in the sport I mean they have to have a deep understanding of what they're actually watching and that's not the case I know it's not the case in boxing because I know a lot of the same judges from boxing also judge MMA They don't know what they're talking about in MMA and I don't think they know what they're talking about in boxing either and that's a real Travesty, it's a huge disservice to these professional athletes who literally are as you said Risking everything as they step in there. There's a real good chance that they might not come out I mean it happens every so many fights a guy dies This is just a fact in boxing and the fat boat to football to shore and MMA as well Well, MMA has plenty of problems, you know I mean, there's there's less deaths in MMA, but we're getting deaths from weigh-ins, you know We have a lot of extreme weight cutting issues and some of the smaller organizations in particular