Joe Rogan talks to Jamie Kilstein about the Abuse Allegations Leveled Against Him

Hello freak bitches because you're we're going way way way back the the real issue This is like a year before more than a year before everything went sideways. Oh, yeah What went sideways and why okay, you're this super progressive vegan guy, but what went sideways? So um an x of mine an x of mine I'm trying to think about like how much I can say Started It was weird like girls I was dating like she would kind of like Pop up and be like following them on like social media and I kind of was like alright. It's a little weird Girls you were dating, but you were married at the time So what was also not talked about in these articles is that for the last however many years before? Out I got separated we were in an open relationship. We just didn't we talked about it on the show eventually but for a while we didn't talk about it and Which to anyone in a fucking open relationship like it's a nightmare when you're not talking about it because you feel like a lecherous cheating creep Because you're in an open relationship, but you don't talk about it so then when girls meet you and you tell them Yeah, totally when you go. I'm in a secret open relationship. Yeah, like you're full of shit and so You know I like kind of did the road thing but like felt like a fucking creep and the road thing meaning hook up with girl yeah, yeah, and then You know I was finally just like we have to talk about it and at this point And I don't want to shit on anybody you know at this point You know my co-hosts and I we were like we were pretty much just like really good friends right who live together and did a show together and So years later years after Me and this girl broke up years after all this shit. I'm living in LA I Have a girlfriend for a year. It's like a very healthy wonderful relationship Years after all this I guess what happened was one of these girls Essentially started to try to find any girl who has been pissed off by me before and they found enough for an article That I think like two articles came out I left citizen radio because the show was getting a ton of complaints Because our inner circle started to find out that there were quote-unquote accusations which the word accusation makes it sound wine stiny Accusations of so that's what it so this they were saying but there was it was very unspecific what I read They said predatory behavior, and I was like oh meaning he's trying to get laid That's what a man does like not predatory in the sense of you're victimizing someone or raping someone or doing something horrible to someone or even And this is when my own words kind of bit me in the ass because you I spent an entire year Or years being like you know hashtag believe women and then you read that and you go that hashtag Don't believe women like you don't know what to write and like I was always like if you call a girl who accuses you You know crazy you're just projecting and like you're trying to and then suddenly I'm reading this article I'm like this is fucking crazy, and I didn't all of my stuff on one article. Do you talking about the Yeah, there's Jezebel article and hell hath no fury like a woman's corn Oh, man I It was really bad And I read it for the first time and I don't want to go into details because I don't want to shit on people Who like feel like they were? You know hurt or whatever But a good majority of the article isn't even fucking true There was one part where Jezebel even wrote it like if we can make it about journalism I was like Jezebel because it's one woman who wrote of this oh yeah, oh yeah, totally so this so the author There's one moment in it, and I'll try to make this about journalism and not about the the woman But one of the complaints about me Was I had a consensual night with a lady in Nashville Who I guess because she like listened to the show maybe they're like that's predatory because you're like famous And I was like well no one else thinks I'm fucking famous But wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute they were defining as predatory because you're famous That's part of it every time Mick Jagger gets laid. It's predatory. That's part of it That's what I don't that's the thing and by the way Fucking call me if I'm Mick Jagger famous you can call me a fucking predator if I'm I can barely get a plus one To a vegan festival famous like don't please do not call me a predator. Well. I mean look It's there's levels to fame right and I know you're being self-deprecating and everything like that But you did have a nice following and you did I saw some of your videos online where you did big crowds Yeah, no, it's not like people you didn't have fans. No but but the idea that you Liking some woman who's a fan and her liking you like that somehow another you're a predator Because she enjoys your work is crazy well that how they were defining it because I don't know yes And then but then it seems like they're being very convenient in their definition well, and and and that was part of it there was like There was another one where it was like yeah the predatory stuff specifically was that and then what was even more fucked up about The article was it said? And I'm not gonna quote exactly she also wrote into another podcast and I heard this but essentially what the woman said we did not Sleep together it alluded that we slept together. It didn't say that I was in an open relationship, but we didn't sleep together She told me she didn't want to Sleep together, and I was like great no problem. She's like I don't want I don't want to go further than that You know okay, so I was like cool even if you change your mind We're not gonna do it got it and then in the article in the article about me being a predator It's like I felt so safe and and it was a great night and I was like this sounds like an article about me being a good dude and Then it said but then weeks later She heard on the podcast that she was just a quote road fuck and then Jezebel in Parentheses this one Arthur Arthur from Jezebel in parentheses said Jezebel could not find the clip right cuz it doesn't fucking exist because I'm not gonna Call someone a road fuck next to my wife on my feminist podcast not only that you're not gonna say it if you didn't even Have sex with them, and we didn't have sex right so this is just they just decided to take this characterization by this one woman That's it in flavor the article yes, and very unfair no and dude like so is this punishment you think for you? Because you somehow or another so that's why it becomes easy and and just to be like incredibly clear like if this Woman was like hurt by that like that sucks man. I've been burnt by girls I don't do anything if she didn't if she was hurt because you didn't eventually become her girlfriend right your boyfriend rather That's just on her sure Unless you're mischaracter no no no no no I'm just trying to be you're trying to be nice. I mean yeah, well I assume she is Probably you know I mean she's probably taken out of context as well There's a real problem with writing things about people and one of the real problems with writing things about people is they don't get a chance To respond in real time to the things you're saying so you establish a narrative And then you keep going with it you write paragraph after paragraph with no no one responding to yeah I'm months later. I counter to I saw like it the the woman who wrote the article like there was a request in my like other Inbox and Facebook that like you don't even see and I like for a comment so like I mean I guess she did reach out But at that point I was I at that point. I was literally googling ways to kill myself So I'm like I did I did not get back there were Googling ways to kill yourself for real yeah for real so well just to like why put a couple article So here's what happened and this goes to your question before because I had called so many people sexist because I had sort of made my almost career by that it was Fucking fun, man when people heard about this like and you see the headlines and this is another like problem with like clickbait Journalism the headlines look like I was fucking accused of rape there was a one article that used the word sexual harassment sexual misconduct Was in all the headlines. What is that? I've no fact I've seen that one about people connected to Harvey Weinstein. Yeah, like about Ben Affleck. They call it sexual misconduct What does that mean like but it's something that you don't think they should do What's really creepy legal and and I almost lost a job. I did just lose a gig Because when you googling be it's like sexual misconduct stuff and like that's really scary And again, I don't want to be like you know who the real victim of Harvey Weinstein is Jamie kielstein but like Let me just stop you right here if you say like one more time my fucking head's gonna explode dude I get comments like that. It's brutal is a brutal is it as bad as all right? I'm gonna I just want you to slow it down I'm gonna use it every now and then slip this coffee over here breaking like the like meter I'm gonna do it too man a lot of people do it. It's an easy one to do I'm gonna hit switch to water, but that word is a it's an um it's a people use it as um I know I know it's okay. I do it too. Yeah, we all do it, but it's just it's nice to know yeah No, it's also a very progressive thing like there's a way like that people talk like when they're really progressive That like you don't hear like left wing people talk. I keep getting fucked over by the progressives It's a way of appearing What's the word submissive or Yeah Passive yeah, it's not it's not an aggressive way of communicating all right What if I said like but like I kept like punching the table like as I did it like I'm gonna fucking like Let you know like Go to like step to me just smash a paps can um so so you got a bunch of people that were upset at you because you had embodied the quintessential allies so it was there nobody had a reason to like me or to defend me on one half of the Twitter sphere you had progressives who Thought I was a sexual creep and then on the other half you have comedy fans who are like fuck this dude He's the one who called everyone a sexist you don't need to read the article if you see a headline I mean god I attacked so many people without fucking reading the articles right of course There are people to this day that would come up on citizen radio that I don't know why I was mad at I would just Figure out the story as we were covering it and be like yep fuck that guy. I guess of course and So nobody there was no reason to root for me there wasn't a strong enough fan base It wasn't like if you know a bigger comic gets accused of something well He has thousands or millions of fans and then this small community who are accused of something I had sort of nobody and when I burnt all the bridges in Comedy and you know I never just showed up at clubs to do sets and stuff like that I just had this audience and sort of thought I could never get fired. You know I Like when when Ali and I sort of became more platonic before the open relationship I mean there were days It was it was so you know I mean I would sleep on the couch But there were days I would go on the road and I would not cheat and I would go back to the hotel and jerk off and like my Orgasm was better because I'm like I saved citizen radio like I was trying so hard not to Not to do anything like that and so Anyway, I lost yeah, there was no one to root for me I just had this small audience the small audience either thinks I'm a predator or they're too nervous to say anything well you fit the Quintess you you there's a classic View of what a male feminist is and that classic view is a sneaky guy That is like getting in tight with women and saying all the things they really want to hear and the root the classic story Is that those women are never attracted to that guy anyway and one up and go and fuck some jock somehow okay? I mean that's literally what happens like yeah, you don't say like do you but it's just this thing that people There's it's just well. It's a cliche and I totally and I also think it was the Homophobic politician who sucks a dick right where they're like yeah, right the super religious guy who turns out to actually be gay like Ted what is that guy's name? From Colorado can we just say Cruz and start a Yeah, and so that Haggard Ted Haggard yes, and I've a bit about him and Who didn't yeah right and so this is what happens? Yeah, this is sort of the the problem with acting like you don't have flaws And I always did I thought on the show my favorite parts of my show were when I talked about Depression or alcoholism and and we would get emails in from people who you know it said it really helped them And I wanted to talk so much more about that stuff Because I I do think it's important to examine your flaws, but on a political level I Held myself up as like an Untouchable, I think you were doing Essentially the same thing that you were talking about doing on Twitter where you're addicted to this positive response, and you're addicted to Saying these things about people and attacking people there. This is a real problem on the left