Joe Rogan & Steven Tyler Debate Over Aliens

Have you not watched unacknowledged? What is unacknowledged? You gotta watch unacknowledged. What is that one? Okay. You gotta watch unacknowledged. What is it? You gotta watch unacknowledged. Is that that Steven Greer movie? No. It is. Yeah. It is. It is? Yeah. Listen to me, man. No? No. No good, huh? No. There's a fucking industry, and the industry is in people wanting to get mystery solved, the great mystery of is there life out there. Mm-hmm. And nobody has any answers. I did this show for sci-fi called Joe Rogan Questions Everything, and before that show, I was a hardcore believer in a lot of wonky conspiracies, like Bigfoot and aliens. I just love them, because they seem so interesting. I don't live in Bigfoot. You don't live in Bigfoot? No, I don't believe in Bigfoot. Bigfoot's the most plausible. You think so? Yes. Why? Why? Because there was an animal called the gigantopithecus that lived alongside human beings as recently as 100,000 years ago. It was a real, absolutely real animal. Okay. And they found fossilized bones in these things, and they found teeth from an apothecary shop in China. There was a real animal. It was a gigantic bipedal hominid that was somewhere around 8 to 10 feet tall. So this thing lived at the same time people did. So this is probably the reason why there's this myth of Bigfoot, that at one point in time, this was a real thing. But what about the... Oh, what about that they're walking around now? Probably not. That's what I'm saying. Most likely not. That was what I was saying. I'm sure it was a giant... Yeah, but there's, you know, a lot of people... So tell me about aliens. Tell me about... Most... it's a business. Most of it is a business. What about the Air Force General that said, did that tape, gave it to his wife, and said, don't put this out until I'm dead. Did you not feel as though when he was speaking any of that was real? I think... You've seen that one, right? I think too many... Have you seen that one? Yeah, I've seen a lot of those. I've seen a lot of those people. There's one in particular. There's a lot of former military people that say they've seen crazy things, and it's entirely possible that they really did. It's entirely possible. But it's also possible that they're crazy. It's possible that they love attention. It's possible that they're bored. It's possible that they're schizophrenic. It's possible that they have memories, that they've concocted over the years and enhanced, and it's gotten them attention, and it's putting them in documentaries, and it gets them interviews on television programs, but that there's no evidence, you know? And the problem with all these people is they all have the same feeling about them, and they're not... there's very few of them that come across as rational and objective. Most of them come across as... there's something wrong. There's wires that aren't connecting. If you talk to them about other things in life... If you had a chance to talk to them for a long period of time, sit down with them for three hours, ask them about ghosts and psychics and all kinds of other shit, they almost all believe in that stuff. They're believers. They want to believe in nonsense. I hear you. As soon as that crops up, I'm out of the room. But it's possible that... I mean, not just possible. It's 100% likely that there's alien life out there. Likely. 100%. Glad you said that. You're going to scare me for a second. No, I think it's more likely that there is. I just love that movie because it kind of had a nice thread through it. That movie's horseshit. Okay. There's a lot of those movies that are horseshit, and that guy, he knows some of that's horseshit. Like, there's a little baby that they had found that's an aborted fetus. They were trying to pass that off as an alien baby for a long time, but they have genome tests. You don't believe that we're... that we're hybrids? No. What do you... can you tell me about the link? What link? Between monkeys and us? Seriously. Well... Between the two frontal lobes and the full brain of the monkey. Well, we are hominids. We are primates. And we're just the most advanced primates. The real question is, how did we get to be so much more advanced? That's what I'm just... that's what I asked you. Well, it's more likely that we found fire in our diet change and hunting, and then the stoned ape theory, which is a very fascinating theory. The stoned ape theory is Terence McKenna's theory that human beings found silicidin mushrooms, and that through the use of silicidin mushrooms, which in low doses increases visual acuity, produces these ecstatic states that it might have helped us develop language and communication and creativity, and that this in turn was the reason why the human brain doubled in size over a period of two million years, which is the greatest mystery in the history of the fossil record. They don't know why they did it. But there's a very clear path between low hominids... So then you do know where the humans were here a million years ago? Humans? Well, whatever. Hominids? Some form of primate was certainly here millions of years ago, as was deer. Deer were here millions of years ago. Okay, good point. Because a lot of animals. Didn't mean to throw up here, please. No, it's okay. I don't know. I feel that. I feel like, you know, just because there was an ice age, that took a part... that took... it was like, how many hundreds... hundred thousand years was the ice age? Well, there's been a bunch of ice ages, but the most recent one ended somewhere in the neighborhood of 12,000 years ago. That was nothing. Nothing, yeah. From beginning to end. And we don't know what caused it. Well, when the ice age exists, we have to remember that some parts of the world aren't experiencing the ice age, and then humans thrived in Africa during parts of the ice age. I mean, there's a lot of human beings that live all over the world. The real question is where do they start? Most likely from Africa, but they could have possibly started from some other places too, and we're starting to learn that. But the people that are learning that... the people that are learning... no, not really. Why? Well, I mean, there's that too, but I mean, mostly just people traveling. But what you really learn from is archaeologists. Those are the people you learn from, and biologists. People that really understand the human genome. They really understand the differences between people that emerge from China versus people that emerge from Western Europe versus people that emerge from... you know, or Native Americans. I mean, there's so many different types of human beings that came from different climates, and their bodies evolved from these places. And there's real science to that. You're not going to get that from these goofy fucking documentaries. These goofy fucking documentaries are basically a business. And the businesses... there's a bunch of people out there that want to know the answers. What is the truth? And so you get, I was aboard the secret UFO. I saw the magnetic controller that makes us travel through the cosmos and bend time and space. It's like a wormhole. And they'll say a bunch of sciency sound and shit. But there's no evidence. There's nothing. When they talk about, there's nothing. Will you let... what's David? Wilk on. Wilk on. No. I don't know the one? That guy says that he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. Do you know that? Did you know that? Yeah, I've heard that. Do you know what Edgar Cayce is? Yeah, of course. Famous psychic who never really figured out anything. Understood. And he's supposed to be a fraud most likely by scientists and skeptics. Drinking too much loud num. Loud num. Is that what you did? Loud num. Don't you think? I don't know. I don't know what he did. Everything was written and everybody was stoned. Well I think there's also... When you talk about the psychedelic... the psilocybin mushrooms and opiates. Loud num. The last hundred years. I think loud... I think loud num. Loud num. Loud num. Loud num. Everyone was drinking that shit. Yeah. Right. But look. I see. Like liquid. Yeah, yeah. There's, you know, there's... Yeah, that shit was in that... Japanese, they never left the island. Do a lot of Japanese have the same eyes, shapes? Yes, they do. Is there a reason? Well, there's a reason why... They didn't leave the island and come back after mating with anybody else. They stayed on that body of land. Do you think they're aliens? Do you think they're from aliens? No, absolutely not. It's just that they stayed on that... that plot of land. Sure. But wouldn't you agree that a lot of people from Asia look fairly similar? Yeah, I do. I think it took generations in the similarities, but it was similar, right? Yeah, but I think it took millions of years. That's my take. Look, I can't prove anything. No, they do believe it took millions of years. I always finish stuff by saying, I didn't see it. Right. When I go out at night and I walk around, I'm dying to see UFO. Me too. So are you. Everybody is. Because the second I see one, the second... Right. ...that will make clear shit like, you know, the song I wrote called Back When Came was Able, Way Before the... and it was about a mothership and shit. Way before I knew anything about UFOs. Did you ever see anything when you did psychedelics? When you did drugs? Whether you did mushrooms or acid? I never saw anything that wasn't there. For sure. I'm not the kind of people. No. I'm not the kind of people. Some people have, though, and the idea is that there are things that are out there in neighboring dimensions that you're really not capable of accessing, though. That's where the real aliens live. Yeah. I don't know, man, but I just know that all these people that are pushing it, they're all... they all have... there's fuckery involved in all these people. No, I hear you. That's a real problem. I hear you. I hear you. Because it's fun. It's fun. You want to believe, right? You want to believe that there's a general out there that's seen the spaceship that's under the mountain. Tell me about it, Mr. General. And he goes on a lecture tour and you got to pay money to see him and he's in a documentary. And there's a lot of those people out there, man. I live with it. I was backstage with Joe Perry. What'd you do? I... yes, you know, my whole life. Yeah. So I get what you're saying, the wow of the thrill of the story. But, you know... People love to tell stories. There's something inside me that says, you know what? I do... They still haven't found that... that missing link that between... If you talk to biologists and say that's bullshit. And how they age start up because they're... But they do. They have Australia. Pithicus fossils. They have the things that were like us that are different from a long fucking time ago. They have those. And the size of the brain? Yeah. Two frontal lobes. The brain changed. It doubled over a period of two million years. I mean, that did happen. But they know what we used to be. There are simple hominids that were... or rather ancient hominids that are very similar to human beings. And they slowly became human beings. And there's also... They keep finding all these different versions of human beings. Like there wasn't just human... There wasn't just Homo sapiens. And of course there was Neanderthals. But there was that... The one from Russia. What was that called? That was in that book, Hominid. What is that... D. I can't remember though. It starts with a D. But it's one that they found very recently. Very recently. You find it, Jamie? Yeah. Here it is. Denisovan. Denisovan hominin. The extinct species of sub... Or subspecies of archaic humans. They found in the 1970s by the Russian paleontologist Nikolai Oldov. So there's been a bunch of different forms of humans. We're just the most successful form of human. The idea that it's just alien DNA connected with people. It's sexy. It sounds fun. But there's no evidence. I hear you. But isn't that what we are as humans? Well, we are mutations. We are an ancient thing that slowly figured its way out. We became better at seeing things. We became better at hunting. We became better at harnessing fire. Where do you think free will came from? There's a lot of people that don't even believe it's real. They believe in determinism. They don't even believe that free will is an actual thing. I mean, I've heard Sam Harris argue it pretty successfully. That there is no such thing as free will. That you are an accumulation of your genetics, your life experiences, all the things that have happened to you, that people you've come in contact with. That's true. Behavioral. And that forms... Behavioral psychology. That's true. Your behavior. And how much of your behavior is shaped by millions of adoring fans and people screaming and cheering you on and singing songs that move people and... Literally change generations. Give people goosebumps when they hear them. I mean, all that stuff is shaped who you are. I mean, all that stuff changes who a person is. And who you are now and the way you behave now is in many ways shaped by your life experiences as much as it is by your genetics. And you wouldn't be this person if you hadn't lived that life. And the decisions that you make from this moment on, right now, leave the studio and have a conversation with someone, will be shaped, at least in part, by this conversation. And mine will be my conversation with you. This is the idea behind determinism. Okay, sir, I would ask... Who said this? Who was into this? Well, there's many, many people that come up with this concept, but I've heard it... It was really argued to me by Sam Harris the most successfully. Wow. Interesting. I just wonder why then... You know, certain monkeys, certain breeds of monkeys, smart ones, bonobos. I love them because I'm a bonobo. But they'll put a stick in something and pull out Shilji. But, you know... Well, that's also... They haven't taken going... Well, wait a minute now, then. They haven't gone past that. Well, do you know primatologists actually believe that chimpanzees have entered the Stone Age? This is one thing that's being considered now, that they've started the use of tools on a regular basis. Okay. They think that they're learning from each other. They think that if they are evolving, right, and if human beings evolve over a period of millions of years, we are actually watching chimpanzees evolve in real time. Well, I think so too. And this is a long, long process that'll take millions of years. But they have entered the Stone Age. So they think that, who knows, with a series of mutations, with natural selection, with a bunch of different things happening, what a chimpanzee is today, most likely it will be a different thing in two million years. Of course it will. Yeah. I totally agree in that. That these intelligent animals, they're going to experiment with things. Here it is. Macawks often use stone tools. Monkeys have been living in the Stone Age for 50 years. So for 50 years, these animals, just 50, okay? We're not sure about that. That's when somebody first saw them using the stone. True. Well, in terms of primatologists observing behavior. I guess you can't get to it. So these archaeologists have uncovered stone tools they believe these animals have used. Or other humans. Yeah, or other humans. Because you can't figure stone out. Right. And what do you think about when you look up and, look, I don't know the answers. That's why I got my girls in the way. Well, I definitely don't know the answers either. Again, remember I just said, I just repeat shit smart people figured out. That's all I'm doing. What about the stones that are cut up in, not much you teach you, but up in... I know what you're talking about, yeah. You know, the laser cuts. Well, not laser, but yeah, very precise cuts. Yeah. Whoever it was... Most likely advanced civilizations that have been wiped out by cataclysms. And that's what I'm saying. So my mind goes to, fuck yeah, we were here. Something was here. We went underground. There's places, I saw movies of it, where you go into the mountain, you go back three miles in the mountain. Have you seen this? Yeah, there are. The caves? Yeah, there's incredible cave systems. Three fucking miles back and all giant rooms like this in there. There's natural cave systems in Texas that go back miles into the mountains. So I'm just saying... Into the hills, I should say. That's where my head goes with this. You know, ghosts, come on, that's your own fear. I don't know, but you know where you're talking about muscle shoals? Yeah. The feeling in that room? There might be a similar feeling when a violent encounter happens in a house. That might be what a ghost is. What a ghost is, is might be this thing that you can't capture, you can't put it in a box, you can't weigh it on a scale. But you get a feeling when you're in a place where something horrible happened and you could feel it. It's not impossible to imagine that that's the case. And Rupert Sheldrake was the guy that I told you believed that... And he's a scientist, and some people would argue against it, but that he believes that things have memory. And then it's impossible that even this table has memory, all the people that are sat where you sat and talked. I think it's got a vibe, I'm not sure if it's memory, you know it's got memory? Water. Nobody knows about that yet. Water. Because it never goes anywhere. You can never get rid of water. You can boil it, steam it, it goes up, it comes back down. I think when they find out the memory and water. I also gotta tell you...