Joe Rogan on Transgender Athletes in MMA

Gabby Garcia's a science project and a half. That's crazy. What is that? Has she been beaten? Uh, not that I'm aware of. Yeah. How are they going to find someone, a woman who's 240 pounds? They're not. She's 240 pounds jacked and she's a legit black belt Brazilian jiu jitsu. Yeah. And she's, you know, legitimately tough. I thought I saw a video of her grappling with Mackenzie Duran and Mackenzie like almost. Mackenzie beat her. Oh, did she? I think Mackenzie beat her in a jiu jitsu match. In a jiu jitsu match, but in MMA I don't think anybody's beaten her. Yeah. I think Mackenzie either beat her or had a draw, won on advantage, something like that. But look, it is what it is. That's science. Okay. You're doing some stuff. You're doing some stuff to people that it's not, your body's not supposed to have that in there, lady. It's not. I'm telling you. You know what I mean? It's, it's interesting because like, like the Bobsap thing, like you get to see what happens. Wow. Okay. This is what's when someone just goes for it. Yeah. And when pride Ensign Inoue was on the podcast and he, Ensign's hilarious. He was detailing the contract. He was like, it's said in all capital letters, we will not test you for steroids. Yeah. They were like. That's what Joy would tell me all the time. Joey Villasenor. He's been in my corner for the last couple of fights. Joey's an excellent fighter. And he would say that he said it almost, they almost encouraged it. Not almost. They basically did encourage it because they just wanted to see crazy things that like came out of comic books. You know, they wanted you to be jacked. Yeah. They wanted you to be gigantic. Yeah. I mean, as long as everybody's doing it, I guess. I don't think I would never, I wouldn't want to do that even if I had the choice to do it. You wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to. Right. I get it. Well, that makes sense. And that's why I think people like you are important for MMA because you are a, you're a woman. Yeah. You seem like a woman. You look at a woman, if someone say, look at that girl's top 10 UFC fighter, you'd be like, what? No way. Really? She's so normal. Like, but if you saw Gabby Garcia and you know that girl's smashing people in Japan, you're like, I'm fucking believing it. Jesus. I got to get the fuck out of this room. Of course, she hulks out and sends a flat in me. Yeah. No, I just like, I feel like it takes the, um, the joy. I feel like it would take the joy out of a victory. If you did steroids. Yeah. But you would become something different. The reality is a woman becomes something different when she starts taking male hormones. You just do, you become something different. Your tendons strengthen, your bone structure changes, your voice deepens. You become much more like a man. I mean, that's when you see transgender women, when a woman rather is a transgender man, she decides she wants to be a man. They start taking testosterone. They get beards. They have all sorts of, uh, strange things happen down below. And they, they start having a deeper voice and they sound like a man. And that's, that's exactly what happens to a woman when a woman takes steroids if she's not trying to transition. It's the same thing. Yeah. Just taking male hormones that make your muscles grow far larger than they're supposed to. Yeah. I remember watching a movie that they did in Thailand. It's called Beautiful Boxer. Have you seen that one? Yes. Yes. But it's the opposite. He wanted to be a woman, but I think he did it the right way, right? If there's a right way to do it. Well, he started as a man and then became a woman and kept fighting men. Yes. And I think that someone should have told her at the time, like, let's just stop fighting. Let's stop fighting. Or this is my take on it. Like. But she needed to keep fighting so that she could pay for the, her transitions, right? Yeah. Yeah. Catch 22, if there ever was one. Yeah. Yeah. But was an elite fighter until the transition. And then you see the skills start to diminish because there's no more testosterone. She's fighting men. But if she was fighting women, she would have a giant advantage still over women. And I don't think that's right either. No, I don't think that's fair either. No one does. No one does except transgender people, transgender people and super progressive activists who have no idea how sports work. It's those are the people, the people that just want inclusiveness and they just want everyone to be okay. And you know, maybe this is the world I'm looking for. I'm looking towards a world where everyone's included. Yeah, good. Have a transgender league. Have a transgender division. No, I'm cool with that. I'll be happily, happily support them. But you're pretending that that's a woman and it's not. It's a male who's transitioning to a woman. You have an XY chromosome. It's a different thing. Yeah. You know, I'm a hundred percent if a woman says I want to fight a transgender woman. Okay. That didn't happen. That's fine. But like for leagues to recognize that this is the same thing and like to say, like, how would you feel if all of the UFC's weight classes in the women's division were dominated by transgender women? I would feel like there were some, I feel like I should not say something. Right, right, right. I feel like I'm going to get caught up saying something. Yeah, let me talk for you. It's fucking bullshit. It's fucking bullshit, right? Yeah. You don't have to say anything. And that's how girls feel right now when there's sports being dominated and track and field. Yeah, that's not fair. That's not fair. I mean, I guess for me, I've always been, especially like being a female in a male dominant sport, I've always, I guess if I can like to consider myself a feminist, not so much a feminist, but like when I go into the gym, my teammates look at me as a fighter. Like they don't look at me as a female fighter or anything like that. They look at me as their teammate. You know what I mean? And I appreciate that. They treat me as an athlete and all of that good stuff. But I feel like at the end of the day, like girls need to fight girls and guys need to fight guys. Like we have different strengths than the guys do. And the guys have different strengths than the girls do. And it's nice for us to have a place so that we can showcase our skills. Yes, I agree. I think the only problem that I have with that transitioning thing is physical competition. That's it. It's a physical competition against the gender that you supposedly align with. You can't do it. But here's what you don't see. Here's what you don't see. You don't see a lot of transgender men who want to fight men. You don't see a lot of women who are taking hormones to become a man who want to fight men. Yeah. Good fucking luck with that, ladies. Yeah. Good luck. Stop. This is crazy. Like this idea that you just magically become a woman or you just magically become a man. It's just not true. And athletes recognize it and rational people recognize it. But there's so much pushback from progressive people who it's like, what percentage of the population are we even talking about here? I mean, it's not even 1%. It's very strange saying that it's taking over the conversation with bathrooms and competition and sports and so many different things. I'm all for inclusiveness and I'm all for being open-minded and letting people do you. Whatever you want to do. Be yourself. Be whatever yourself is. I don't know what yourself is. I don't know what you feel. But you can't compete against women. It's that simple. It's really that simple. It has to be something deeper where they, you know, and to me I think it goes back to like that mental, like a mental block where you need some, like a false sense of confidence. Yes. I feel like. I feel like.