Joe Rogan on the "Jeffrey Epstein Didn't Kill Himself" Meme

This, this, uh, a congressman, is that who it is? Yeah. Jamie pointed this out, that there's a congressman and he released a series of tweets, and the first letter of all these tweets, if you put them all together, it says Epstein didn't kill himself. Or did not kill himself, is that what it is? Didn't, yeah, I think it's didn't. He did, uh, upload it. Yeah, how do you do the apostrophe? Yeah, he should have gone with did not. Starting here with that evidence of a link. Rep. Paul Gosser. What are the odds that this guy did this accidentally, really small, right? That's kind of like one of those monkeys typing Shakespeare things. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it could, uh, it could work. And the thing is he did it backwards, right? So you didn't see what the puzzle was until the last tweet. Who caught that? Because the last tweet is an E. I got a tweet from someone about 35 minutes ago that, I don't know if there's a bunch of people online paying attention to it or what, but someone alerted me and a few other people. Does he have an image of that fucking, that crazy mask? Is that in his shit too? Okay. He's a weirdo. He's got the, not until that was November 1st. The V mask. Yes. What is that mask again? V for Vendetta. What was it representative of something? It's the guy Fox mask. Yes, that's right. Yeah. So this guy is, uh, he's, he's thinking along alternative lines of thought, but that is really an interesting way of saying it. Alphabetry. That's cool. Just making a bunch of tweets. Don't ever address it. Just leave it there. Walk away. Yeah. Lewis Carroll was famous for that. Was he? Yeah. That was one of, uh, he did, he did a lot of sort of tricks with words. Um, do you read the book, Go to Le Cherbach? No. Yeah. There's, there's a whole, whole bunch of stuff in there about people who used, um, who put puzzles in text. Mm. You know, it's kind of a thing that people did, I guess back more in the 18th century and before. Well, this Epstein case is probably the most blatant example of a public murder of, of a crucial witness I've ever seen in my entire life or anybody's ever seen. And the, the, the minimal amount of outrage about this, the minimal amount of cover. It's fucking fascinating. I mean, what's amazing to me just as a, you know, somebody who works in the media is that this was shaping up to be the biggest like news story in history. Yes. And the instant he, you know, he died or was died or however you want to call it, um, it's, the story just fell off the face of the earth. Yes. It's like nobody's doing anything about it. And I, I don't a hundred percent understand that. I mean, I, I get it why, why that's happening, but it's, uh, it's just amazing. Well, when the woman from ABC, what was her name? Amy Roos, uh-huh. That lady. The, the one who- Roboc. Roboc, yeah. Roboc, yeah. Who had the frustrated moment that she called it a frustrating private moment. Right. When she was talking about having the scoop and having that story and them squashing it. Right. Like this, this is all stuff that everybody used to think was conspiracy. Everybody's think this was stoner talk. This was, you know, you know what I mean? Like this is stuff where people just, uh, delusional. They believe all kinds of wacky conspiracies. Sure. But the reality is much less complicated. Well, this is not possible. This is one of those things that's so obvious. It's so in everyone's face. Well, there's a couple of things going on because there, there are many different ways that this can play out. I mean, you could have a news director who just sort of instinctively decides, well, we can't do that story because I might want to have Will and Kate on later, or I might want to have this politician on later. And it's, it's not like anybody tells them necessarily that we can't do this. They just decide it's too hot. If you grow up in this system and you've been in the business for a long time, you just, you have all these things that are drilled into you at almost like the cellular level about what you can and cannot get into. And, um, I think there, but there were some explicit things that happened with Epstein too. I mean, they keep, there, there were a lot of news agencies that killed stories about him that, you know, and we're hearing what some of them, Vanity Fair, this thing, you know, so yeah, it's, it's, it's bad. It's terrible. Yeah. When, when I found out that Clinton flew no less than 26 times on a plane with Epstein, I was like, dude, I haven't flown that many times with my mom. How long did he know Epstein? Yeah, I don't know. But I mean, to have that many flights, to have the secret service, uh, people involved, I mean, that's incredibly bold. What was he doing? Just girls? Is, is, is Clinton that much of a hound that he would go that deep into the well that many times, 26 times? Well, that's the thing about the Epstein story that makes no sense to me. Like I, I thought that the percentage of people who were out and out, like perverts who had a serious problem, like with pedophilia or whatever, it was, was pretty small, you know? Yeah. But you're, but they had a lot of people coming in and out of this compound and, and it just seems like it's a, um, it's a very strange story. What were they really up to? I have, I have no idea. And was, was it all a blackmail scheme? It's just, it's just so strange. Well, it seems like the pedophilia aspect of it might be directly connected to Epstein himself. Like he might be the one that has a problem with girls that are like 16 and he likes them very young or he did like them. But with the other guys, it could just be girls. It could be. Yeah. I mean, that's why it's so crazy. Like how could it be that these, but maybe it's not. But they must, but they knew who he was. Yeah. But they probably didn't know the extent of it. Probably not. Yeah. Up until a point. Up until he was arrested. Right. And then they're like, Oh, well then that's when everybody backed off of them, right? Yes. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a hundred percent. Yeah. I haven't covered this story in depth. I've only, I only really got into it a little bit. We need you. We need you on this one. You're the guy. This is a tough one. I mean, you know, cause it mixes a lot of things that are, are very tough to cover. Yes. You know, the intelligence world is very tough to cover. You know, it's, it's hard to get stories out of there that they don't want you to have. Yeah. And this is, this is like the mother of all stories and, you know, in terms of that. And they're just little, little breadcrumbs here and there. That whole thing about Acosta, you know, the vanity, vanity fair quote from him is that when he said that when he looked at the case, he didn't do it because I was told he belonged to intelligence. Yes. What does that mean? You know, who's intelligence? You know what I mean? Like what agency? Or, you know, and then you pair that with things like, you know, I have friends on Wall Street who tell me, I've never heard a single instance of this guy actually having a trade. Right. You know, so what was his hedge fund doing? You know, I mean, if you think about it, hedge funds a perfect way to do blackmail, you know, cause you can just have people putting money in and out all the time and it would look like investment. Yeah. You know, so very strange story. Well Eric Weinstein had a conversation with him, you know, Eric Weinstein, Peter Thiel capital. He's like, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Oh yeah. He's like, he's a fake. Financially. Yeah. He's like, he's an actor. Right. This is nonsense. Right. Right. That was his initial almost instantaneous response. Yeah. Yeah. And what real clients did he ever have? What did he trade in? How's he got a billion dollars or whatever he had? Yeah. Half a billion. Under management. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Why did the guy who owns Victoria's Secrets give him a $70 million home? Right. In New York City. Like, what? I mean, these are all things that would have been really interesting to get into, you know? If he didn't try to kill himself. The suicide didn't happen to him like in the wire. Poor fella. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Just so unfortunate. Yeah. So unfortunate that the cameras died. So unfortunately he sustained an injury that you usually only get through strangulation. Right. Yeah. Someone murders you. He fell on the ground and accidentally broke his aioid bone. Yeah. Happens all the time. Whatever. No big deal. I mean, it's so bizarre. I can't stand conspiracy theories. I'm one of these people who doesn't like reading it. But I can't make this story work in a way that isn't, you know, conspiratorial. Well, that's the thing. It's like it gets to a point where you're like, okay, even Michael Shermer who runs Skeptic magazine, he's like, wait a minute. The cameras were not working? Yeah. I mean, it's like an excuse. Okay, well this seems like a conspiracy. Fucking when Michael Shermer says he, that guy doesn't believe in anything. Right. Right. And he's down the line on virtually every single thing that's ever happened. He doesn't believe in any conspiracies. Well, well, how do you, what's the innocent explanation for any of this? Because none. It doesn't make any sense. You can't, you can't spin it in any way to make it not a crazy conspiracy. Especially when the, the brother hires a doctor to do an autopsy. Oh yeah. The doctor says, this guy was fucking murdered. Right. Yeah. Michael Baden, the famous guy from the HBO autopsy show. Right. Yep. Absolutely. Crazyness. Complete craziness. And you know, it's an example of, of, you know, the, the Epstein story is interesting because it's, because it's about villains on both sides of the aisle. Right. This is a classic, this is something I've written about before. It's that the press does not like to do stories where the problem is bipartisan. Yeah. Right. So when you have an institutional problem, when Democrats and Republicans both share responsibility for it, when, you know, or, or if it's an institution that kind of exists in perpetuity, no matter what the administration is, we don't really like to do those stories. We like, if Fox likes to do stories about Democrats, MSNBC likes to do stories about Republicans, but the thing that's kind of, you know, all over the place, they don't like to do that story. Epstein is, you know, he's, he's friends with Trump and, and with Clinton. I mean, it looks like he has more friends on the Clinton side, but still. And I think that's, this is one of the reasons why this story doesn't have a lot of traction in the media because neither side really likes the idea of going too deeply on it. Right. Feels like to me. Well, it's, but the, the, the blatant aspect of it, the only, I mean, the closest that we have to that is the absolute murder, the Jamal Khashoggi murder. That's the closest thing we have to where it's absolute murder. Right. This one, but, but it's also so insanely blatant, but now you have foreign actors that are involved in it and they all disperse and then this is left with this confusion of to who's responsible for it. Well, Saudi Arabia, that's another example where you can't really say it's, you know, one side of the, both parties have been incredibly complicit in their cooperation with the Saudi regime and in, you know, the massacres that are going on in Yemen. It's a classic example of what Noam Chomsky used to talk about with worthy and unworthy victims. Right. Like if the, if the Soviet communists did it, they were, that was bad. But if death squads in El Salvador killed a priest or a Catholic priest, you know, then that, that was something we didn't write about because they were our client state. Yemen is a story we don't write about. Syria is a story we do write about, but they're really equivalent stories. And you know, but you're absolutely right. The Khashoggi thing, I don't think either party and, or either sides media really wants to get into that all that deeply. Yeah. Yeah.