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Jocko Willink is a decorated retired Navy SEAL officer, author, and host of "The Jocko Podcast." His new novel, "Final Spin," is available now.
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Here's another thing, like Wing Chong and things like that. Like yeah, that'll work. If the guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and you chain punch him, that'll... It's not good. Hit somebody 17 times in the head, we're not expecting that he's never trained before. Definitely not good. Very effective. Are you gonna get that off on someone who actually knows what they're doing? I don't know, man. You gonna get that off on a high school wrestler? Good luck. Gonna do the double legging move. Most like you're going flying. Put your head on the curb. Yeah, it just seems to me that like, did you see that video that is becoming a huge issue in China? Yes. That a Chinese Tai Chi master tried to fight an MMA fighter and just got obliterated in 10 seconds? Yep. And this guy's had to hide. This Chinese MMA fighter's had to go into hiding because people are offended that he battered this Tai Chi master and made their country look bad. Yeah. Because it's making their traditional martial art look ineffective. Yeah, that's not... That doesn't make sense to me. I don't know. Here, we can watch this real quick. I don't know why the fuck this guy didn't understand what was gonna happen when they fought. They sometimes, I think they actually believe what they're saying. This is so brutal though. This Tai Chi guy. What's really bizarre is Tai Chi's not really a physical fighting martial art. It's supposed to be something that's more of like a meditative movement. It's like yoga. Yeah, it's like a yoga deal. It's supposed to be great for you. I had one of my buddies, a black belt guy named Jeff Higgs, old school jujitsu guy, and he got told by a Tai Chi guy, you can't take me down. Oh, God. And my buddy... See that? Yeah, I mean... That guy just got obliterated. And the only way you can ever actually know what would happen if someone punches you in the face is to train that way. If you just have these ideas in your head that you're gonna stand in front of them, this guy just oozing blood all over the place and he's getting up, he's battered, his nose is shattered, he's wobbly. I guess... It's probably the first time he's ever been punched. Maybe the MMA guy should have, if he had a little bit more foresight on what was gonna happen, he should have come out and really done the whole respect and then the bow and then all this stuff and then after he defeated him, should have helped him. Maybe that would have helped him from a political standpoint. But yeah, because... I mean, he's a little bit under. Yeah. But it seems to me that this is something that they need to see. They really do because there's too many people out there that are just buying into this foolish shit. Well, like I said, so my buddy Jeff Higgs got this, I think it was an Aikido guy. Does Aikido people say chi and all that? I don't know. Like have chi? They probably do. Well... Depends on which asshole you're talking to. Whether it was Aikido or whether it was Tai Chi, I forget. But the guy says, you know, hey, I'm a martial artist. And once I settle my chi, you can't even take me down. So how are you going to do jiu-jitsu on me? And he says, well, what do you mean you can settle your chi? He says, you know, once I center my chi and it's based into the ground, you won't be able to move me. You can try it if you want. And my friend Higgs goes, okay, cool. Tell me when your chi is all centered. And the guy, you know, does his little thing and then settles his chi and he says, okay, I'm ready. And Jeff just did... I mean, it's no big deal. Just hit a double leg on him. Boom! You know? You're not defending it without spawning. And yeah, so... So what did he say? The guy actually believed that, right? The guy actually believed that. That's like a type of mental illness. It is, but I mean, you know, it's flat earth, right? It's the same. I don't want to bring that up right now. It comes in so often on this podcast. I've got a couple people that are, you know, now every time I talk about jiu-jitsu and all, they're like flat earth, flat earth. They believe it. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm going to get it every day from people that are flat earth supporters that are mad at me for exposing. They just want to believe it. That's real. It is a weird thing. And by the way, one of the main guys who's into flat earth has a whole video about how jiu-jitsu doesn't work. And it's about Wing Chun. Isn't it like one of his biggest videos on his page? Yeah. Hilarious. But there is something about people wanting to believe that there's mysteries and secrets, that there's like some secret power. Yeah. And that, you know, the idea that you could just center yourself and a college wrestler can't take you down. Yeah. That's one of my new things that I tell people with jiu-jitsu because I used to say like jiu-jitsu is magic because it kind of is, you know, when you know jiu-jitsu, you can do things that are almost magic. Right. But then when you're teaching somebody for the first time, I'm always like, look, it's not magic. It's, you know, I was showing somebody the other day, you know, elbow escape or something from the mount and the guy's like, you know, he's, he's, it's really hard to do because he keeps pulling my arm away, you know? And I was like, yeah, it's a fight you're in. Yeah. It's not magic. It's you have to fight against the other person. It's another human. I just told him what to do and I told you what to do. Now you got to fight for it. Yeah. You got to figure out how to get to the right position. Yeah. It's not magic, but it is weird that people that, you know, they're, they're looking for something to believe in, I guess. Yeah. And maybe they just want a contrarian viewpoint. So that's why they pick saying that the earth is flat. Well, I also think it's sort of the same thing with people wanting shortcuts. I can't believe I'm going down this road right now. I just want to walk away the end of podcast. I'm out. People love shortcuts. They love like, like they love like throwing out the entire paradigm of modern civilization. It's all based on a lie. We're not on a globe. We're on a flat disk. The universe spins around us like, you know, people that just like to argue. Is this maybe just people that like to argue and have a contract? That could be some of them for sure. That could be some of them for some of them. I think it's just that there are people that straight up just straight up believe that the earth is 100% in their soul. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They really believe it. But there's also people that join the moonies, you know, there's people that join some Scientology. Yeah. I mean, look, there's people out there that'll suck a dick if they think it'll make them live forever. They say, are you sure I suck your dick? Am I live forever? Yes. The knowledge will flow through you, but you have to believe. Yeah. Well, down in San Diego, I don't know what it was 10 years ago, 15 years ago. They had that Heaven's Gate thing where all those people put on those purple shoes. They put on the purple nikes. They killed themselves when the comet was flying by. Yeah. And it shows you again, you know, now we're, you know, you're talking about the human mind is just so complicated and complex that it's grasping for something to believe in. And some people aren't going to believe in anything. Yeah.