Joe Rogan on Parents Putting Transgender Kids on Hormones

Hello freak bitches. It's like when you're trying to get social, like what happened to me with defending that kid situation where it's like. Well explain that because most people don't know what you're talking about. Like most people don't know the circumstances. So there was this guy who had a three year old boy that he claimed was transgendered and identified as a girl and started putting dresses on the kid and treating him like a girl and I was planning on giving him hormone therapy so they don't go through puberty. And this dude has like power in Hollywood you know and I just called him out and I got swarmed and I just didn't stop because I'm like I'll die on this hill. Yeah that's a hill to die on. When you're deciding that a three year old is done developing and understands their identity fully. It drives me crazy. What you're talking to is akin to like a seance where you find out that you were a Roman emperor from 1700. That fucking three year old barely understands how to express himself. The idea that a three year old can give you a complex definition of their sexual and gender identity at three and that this isn't so that you should go in and chemically influence that kid's. Sterro making me eunuch. Yes. And it's like and it's a project. It's fucking insane. And it's a projection of the father's ego. It's not even like. Is it? Yeah the virtue say. Oh it's just a coincidence that it's a San Francisco like NPR guy that like everyone in Hollywood has his back for some fucking reason even as a child. It's like it's it's the circumstances. Explain what. So this dude John Hodgman who I thought I was cool with. I met him doing a morning radio show and he was like when Mel Brooks said PC shit's ruining comedy or something all these comedians were like going against Mel Brooks and I'm like wait a minute. Are we the bad guys now. What comedians though. Paul F. Tomkin was talking. Yeah. And I was like dude you're like the bad guy from Footloose now. And and so I'm just being very open about this because my and it's like there's a few things I'll stand behind free speech don't fuck the kids. You know don't hurt kids don't hurt the kids. Like yeah just just be good to the kids. You know it's like because that's you. I mean it's you. That's what every every child is you. All of us. I know especially when you're a little tiny person you have this insane responsibility as a big person when you're dealing with a little tiny person. And now that I have a tiny person that's what it made me more of a man and an adult like I just felt so much more responsibility to be good. 100 percent. 100 percent. You learn on the job too. Yeah. You learn on the job like you realize along the way like oh I'm like literally dealing with a blank slate. And I can't even process this that my fucking bizarre ridiculous life of telling jokes and in your case playing songs with pianos ridiculous shit that you say on Twitter. This somehow or another qualifies you to raise a human being. It's so intense. It's so intense. And also it's like I I've always thought I was a good guy but not like I ever thought I was like deserving of anything special. You know but then once you see a kid you're like he he's fucking pure still man. You know I'm like I've done some shit you know. So that's why I think just as myself younger I wouldn't have been quite as like into I've always stuck up for the underdog and people being abused and shit. But now I'm like I have to be better for like the next generation because I see him look at me like humans can be good. He's like dad dad dad dad. You know and I'm like oh fuck dad dad's a good guy. You know and like I never really knew if I was a good guy. Right. And this is a good experience between you and him. He's enjoying it immensely. Oh dude. I get it. You know and it's giant and it's just like he watches me watches me hit my foot with my axe and I was like don't do it dad dad dad. Do you ever think about the fact that and this is a conflict that I've discussed ad nauseam with some of my friends that every one of my friends that I know came from fucked up place. All the people that I'm friends with were as Calum or Joey Diaz or anybody Red Band or Duncan though their childhood was fucking chaos. Right. Ari Shafir like everybody's childhood was a mess. Yeah I think it's I think it's to make a good comic that's still a good dude. I think it's a it's a combo of like love like your grandfather and chaos. Yeah. Or else we're just killers. Right. Well that's the problem right. I think that goddamn comedy and murder are so closely related. I know we're just killing. Yeah. I mean that is literally why they call it killing because my mom listened to our last podcast and she was like I love that your friends would show you guys both have like you're kind of fucked up a good guy. And what it's like you experience these like dramatic events and you know you experience damage you know and then you have paths in life and you're like I'm going to seek the good in this but we're still you know low impulse control comedians but still you know we're not just killers. Well we're actually nice people but we're realizing we're nice people in the middle of a like a life with a tremendous amount of momentum of chaos behind chaos and then all of a sudden you're like whoa whoa whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah like belly to be shit man you know it's like I might as well have had a Viking ship for the last 10 years where he's just Viking it up and it's like yeah and then you see that the order you need to cast an order you know and you see the order with a child and then you see these people trying to exploit children and I was just awake you know I'm just like you know what fuck you I'm like I'll I don't and then people in LA that I thought were my friends not good friends not like comics but like middle management that's what the evil is. Well you know what it is man it's like the supporting transgender rights eclipses all the logic involved in the subtle nuances of human behavior and sexuality and the idea that a three-year-old could have any notion of like what it's going to be like to be eight or what it's going to be like to be 16 or whether or not hormonal changes is going or going to affect the way he expresses himself so and also you're looking at this kid and you're deciding that this kid because they're three is going to be transgender and you want to turn them into a girl what if this kid decides he's a gay man in five years? They kill themselves. Right. Well what if they decide that they're bisexual in 20 years? You know I can't if you care if you care about that child you don't interfere with that process because I'm not the same thing that I was when I was three and you're not either no it is so to inject hormones and chemicals and even surgery that we really have a very limited understanding about how much this interaction between a scalpel and a baby body how much of the impact that has you're giving someone the green light is that they're talking about like making this kid a eunuch? Well yeah they won't go through puberty and so then it's like What are they saying though? What are they saying they're going to do? It's called hormone blockers and I kept asking him directly I'm like say yes or no are you going to give him hormone blockers because it's fine if he wants to wear a dress have some fun play time fine but you're going to tell him he's a girl. But here's the thing it's not even play time it's like what if the kid like feels better when he wears a dress? Fine. Like we're all we've all decided that pants and a shirt is the way to go and if you don't wear pants and a shirt I know you're a homo. Like if you were sitting there wearing a big girl skirt and why do I give a fuck? If you were wearing a kilt and I'm like I love Scotland I wouldn't care. But if you were my brother you used to piss on each other. Well sorry I shouldn't have said that a lot I have low impulse control. That's not the worst thing in the world. Doug Stano pissed on Ari Shafir last week like a couple of days ago on a podcast. That's awesome. Yeah pissing happens. I didn't mean to cut you off you were talking about the Scottish. Yeah I mean who gives a shit if you dress like a girl? What I give a shit is if you step in and you in any way interfere with the physical, sexual, biological development of a child because you think it's the right thing to do progressively. You think it's the right way right thing to do the right way to approach a fucking three year old. Like you are the problem. You're not there's not this is we're not talking about one plus one equals two. We're talking about a super complex very nuanced issue. And if this child decides when it's X amount years old whatever we decide 30 whatever the fuck we decide to take the decision to get gender reassignment that's a hundred percent cool with me. Of course. I have no problem with that but that's a person who understands who they are as a fully developed organism not a fucking baby. Three. That's a baby. Dude and part of me it's like this like I see myself in the in the kid where I'm like of course I played classical piano and knitted like I used to like knit cloth. I used to weave. I used to the thing with your piano teacher. Yeah. Yeah. Like my like my dad is like my parents are married. They have a great marriage but it's like almost like a reverse gender marriage in a way where my dad's like a flamboyant opera singer professor and my mom like 6 1 love sports wear sweatpants you know. Like my first bit was I was the only guy in the straight closet. I used to be like my dad would be like let's go see Rent again son and I'm like I want to play catch with mom. You know. That's hilarious. And so I played piano as a kid. What about your piano teacher? Yeah when I was 11 my piano teacher became a dude and the bit I tried to work on but people don't believe like some of the best. By the way that's a long time ago. How old are you now? Oh I'm 37 so I was 91. That was OG shit. Well that's that's OG surgery. Oh that's and dude my piano teacher right now is like. Man's totally trans friendly like we're friends but I don't think he realizes what's it become. You know because it's like now it's like oh you don't believe in making a three year old a eunuch you're full of hate. Yeah this is this is not wise because if you just look at it and not in terms of like how a child should identify but in terms of like the biological process of a developing human being it's very very touch and go. We don't really understand what it is. This is what you should try to do with a kid. You should try to give them nutrients you should try to give them love and try to give them safety and try to give them challenges. Totally man. Give them things to get over but but the idea that you are going to decide by your conversation with someone who just started talking 12 months ago. They're still shitting themselves. They don't know how to talk yet. They shit in their pants. But they literally don't know how to talk yet. I know it's like I identify it's like how the fuck does that work. Do you want to be a girl? Okay. Like my son dances like he's always dancing and shit he goes to piano he does with dad that does and it's like this kid's probably trying to impress his dad and his dad's this fucking asshole. It's like all being trans is brave dad. And then they're going to make they're going to make moves where the kid can't go back can't go back. Let's say life is over. You literally turn their life down a dark path because here's the thing and this is super unpopular to say but the bottom line whether you decide to become a transgender person whether you decide to you know just suppress those ideas it is at this current stage of our understanding of medical science impossible to actually turn you into a woman. Of course. X X X Y. Right. So what we're going to do is have some reasonable facsimile and it's going to be more reasonable in different people. And some people they have a slender frame you know some people have built like David Tooa and it's just like whoa that's girl. Okay. I gotta go. Yeah. Like you know David Tooa was big time heavyweight boxer from the 90s. And you've touched on a body dysmorphia with like weight lifters where it's like you know there's certain people that just aren't comfortable in their own skin and want to alter it like with like fucking whether it's bigger boobs or cutting your wiener off or some shit. And as a very big personal liberty guy I'm all about you doing that but you don't make that decision for the kids. You don't make the decision for anyone that's under the age of comprehension. And here's the thing like what is that age because they say that the frontal lobe doesn't really fully develop to 25. Yeah ask Geico. Yeah. But yeah they won't they won't show you. Yeah they want to show you as a male the insurance is up until you're 25 because you're not developed but what about a girl. I think it's a little earlier I think girls develop a little earlier. I know I know. I'm fucking pissed. I'm calling some sort of red pill organization. And so long story short I make these problematic statements and then my agent drops me. How did your agent drop you for saying a three year old shouldn't be given chemicals that kill his dick and balls. Because I was rocking the boat man. But imagine if you just put it that way so what you are is pro giving kids dick killing chemicals. Is that what you are. Just let me know. Right. It's kind of like when it's like words or violence you hold up your fist and you go word or violence like that it immediately cuts for the shit. But for some reason it's not these days. Words or violence. I mean that's a big thing now. It's like this college you can drop me out of like a good gig and they said that because your views. We can't you can't work here and then they specifically talk about which views. Yeah I even tweeted the email because I was sick of this shit man. Which views. The trans kids. It's only trans kids. That's my whole thing. But it's trans babies. Dude it's Todd they're toddlers. They're like three. Dude it's and I'll die on the hill man. I even asked my brother. Like my buddy. That's another die on. That's my buddy Mike from Sword and Scale. Like dude I literally was like I'm unemployed and he had me like read. That's when you know your friends are man. He's like yo will you read this. You can be like a DA in this fucking murder podcast. I was like great. He's like I'll throw you some cash. I thought I was out. I'm like brother can I do some more tree work. He's like 20 an hour you got boots. I'm like fuck yeah. Dude I was prepared man. But think about that. That you as a guy who I've known for a long time has been a successful professional comedian are really always that close to being pushed aside and not given work anymore over something that's totally logical. I just got in a development deal like TruTV and shit. It's not even like I was doing badly. Did TruTV keep the development deal? They banked. Dude I don't even have reps anymore. But do you talk to TruTV? No. Like hey it's Owen. No they're cool people. I've just been so like. So the reps all abandoned you by saying that you don't think three year olds should be trannies. Yeah and also I guess I was saying it was like problematic. I was poking people that aren't allowed to be poked. These powerful middle managers you know. What were you doing? Just saying you're wrong dude.