Joe Rogan | Mainstream Acceptance of Antifa Violence w/Andy Ngo

So when people see someone like the Proud Boys running around attacking people, even the Proud Boys, you have to realize that they started off as a joke. Like when Gavin McGinnis first came up with the idea of the Proud Boys, it was literally a joke. And it became an actual organization for fun. And then people joined it that didn't think it was a joke. And then people joined it and started taking it in a deeper and deeper direction. And then he eventually disavowed himself and abandoned the group. You see that, I bet you see the same thing with Antifa. I bet the idea initially was, hey, we see these tiki torch carrying assholes in Charlottesville. We see that guy with a car ran over the girl who was a protester and killed her. Like, this fucking shit has got to stop. So we have to organize. We have to do something. And then what happens? You get people in masks and you get people justified. And then you get people that support those people. And then you get the extremists. And the extremists who are not disavowed, who are not... There's no one speaking out against them from the left. There's no one saying, hey, this shit has got to stop because they want them to do their dirty work for them. They want them to push the envelope and push the agenda and get their ideology moving in the right direction, even if it's done through methods that they don't agree with. And that's where it gets horrible. Because I see these people that are involved in this. And I know for a fact, just by watching them move and interact with each other, they don't understand violence. They don't. They're not good at it. They don't understand it. This is like role play. It's like cosplay. And you're going to call for... You're going to get real violence in return from people who actually know how to do it. And if you look at violence from the left and violence from the right, violence from the right scares me a whole lot more. They're a lot more armed. They're more dangerous human beings in general. And I think that if this keeps happening and people from the right feel threatened and their lifestyle feels threatened and their ideologies feel threatened, you're going to get people meeting at these things. And it's going to be more than just people throwing mace and milkshakes at each other. It's going to be people showing up ready for actual combat. That's fucking terrifying. It's fucking terrifying. And this idea that you could just run around hitting people and not have any consequences. It's just like the way a child looks at violence. This is what bothers me so much. If you looked at their core tenets of what they want to do and if they wanted to accomplish that through political negotiation and through conversation and rallies and speeches, fine. That's fine. But when you have people wearing masks, hitting and macing people, you've crossed the line into the land of no return and you've called out to people who oppose you. You've challenged them to come and do the same. And this is how violence begets greater violence. It's fucking dangerous. It's really dangerous. Violence does not exist in a vacuum. You can't just have a little bit of violence and then there's no repercussions. People react to that. There's people that watch those videos and watch you get punched and there is no justification for that. When you see someone like yourself who's a small person, slight in stature, not violent in any way and you're not even swinging back, you're just taking it and trying to protect yourself. People get infuriated by that and there's people right now, I guarantee you, who saw that video, who are thinking what I would do if I was there, I'd fucking shoot all of them or I'd beat them all to death with baseball bats or I'd run them over with my car or I do things and the unhinged amongst the right who feel like this is in opposition of their ideology, they're going to show up someday. And when that happens, people are going to die. This is fucking terrible and this is where the mayor and the police and they have not done their job and I believe the police, when they say that they've been handcuffed and maybe the mayor just didn't have an idea of where this would all go, but now you do. The mayor has been in office now for three years and he finally did a press conference two days ago, nine days after my attack to address this controversy, right? And what was so frustrating is that the police chief had publicly stated that she thinks the city or the state should adopt a law that makes it illegal to wear a mask while committing a crime. That should be a no brainer. It's shocking that in Portland. I got a better idea. How about not, you can't wear a mask in public at these events because you can say you can't wear a mask while committing a crime. You're wearing a mask. How do you, who the fuck do you know committed the crime? Unless you take the mask off, then you can't even identify him. It's stupid. You can't wear a mask. Yeah. So this sounds like a baseline, somebody, a policy that you should start advocating for, right? Yeah. It's like, don't kick babies. Yeah. Well, the mayor said he hasn't decided if he supported it. He hasn't decided if he supported whether or not it should be illegal to wear a mask while you're committing a crime. Correct. That's hilarious. And he had no policy proposals and he spoke as if like it was his first day in office when this was like, this is becoming routine now. It's almost banal in Portland. In Portland is a harbinger and a warning to what can happen in other cities when you have a, a governance, um, those in the upper echelons of governance, turning a blind eye to far left militancy and just letting these thugs go on the street. Just imagine if there was the case, if they were doing that about far right militancy, imagine if there were far right people who were doing this and committing violence and the government was just like, well, you know, um, I'm not sure if they shouldn't be allowed to wear masks while they commit crimes. People would be freaking the fuck out. It's the weird justification of this stuff. That's, that's so disturbing. I just don't, and I fucking love Portland. It's one of my favorite places. It's great. The city's great. I mean, it's fucking cool people. It's not all of them that are involved in this. It's a very small number and the, even amongst the small number, it's the very small number of them that are radical, that are violent. When you look at the people that are attacking you, not to minimize it, but it's very few. You look at that video, it's a couple people out of thousands of people that are in that group. There's a few people that are attacking. It was about a dozen. Was it really? Yes. Okay. If you count throwing milkshakes, but actually hitting you, how many people you think hit you? I'm not sure. Three, four, maybe something like that. Okay. That's the problem. The problem is these fucking assholes. It's not the people that disagree with you. It's the people that think you should be able to throw milkshakes at people and guys like Carlos Maza, who don't think it's a big deal to throw milkshakes at people. It's a fucking big deal. It's a big deal because it calls for a response. This is why it's a big deal and people don't understand assault. They don't understand violence. You can't just do that. You live in some comic book world or some fucking Disney show world where you can just throw a milkshake at someone and they don't do anything. They're going to turn around and punch you in your fucking face. Then what happens? Well, you might fall and hit your head and die because that's real. That's the real world we live in. Or you might cause a giant brawl because people don't want to be hit with milkshakes. Or there's enough of you where you think you can get away with it. So you're an awful bully and you're throwing milkshakes at someone because you don't like what they stand for. You're meeting in a public place and you're disagreeing about something. To write this disagreement, you're assaulting people. Well, for that very reason, Antifa never engages in a quote unquote fair fight one on one. What they do usually as a group, well-masked up one or several of them will distract the person either by speaking to them perhaps or blinding them with the chemical spray and then they take turns beating. So there's even no opportunity to like, you know, you don't even know how many people are hitting you at that point. So that's what they do. Blind you and then attack. It's so scary because it's so dumb. It's not just scary because like you watching what happened to you was scary because, you know, and watching that old man got hit in the head with a crowbar. It's fucking horrific. All that stuff is horrific. And apparently that guy had pulled out some sort of a rod and was swinging at people before he got hit with a crowbar. I do not know, but I do know when you start hitting people in the head with crowbars, that is the beginning of the end. Horrible, horrible shit happens in response to that. And it hasn't yet, but this is 10 days ago. Who knows what's going to happen if there's another one of these rallies and you get people from the far right who organized. This is when the proud boys really radicalized. They radicalized to go against Antifa. They were attacked. They attacked them. And then it became this fucking shit show that you're seeing right now.