Joe Rogan - Jordan Peterson on His Channel 4 Interview

boom and we're live 12 rules for life so without reading this so what you're saying is there's only 12 things you need to know in life right that's it yeah yeah this this interview that you just did with this woman Kathy Newman was that in the UK it was channel for UK um I just went I felt bad but I was also laughing I went to her Twitter page to read like and in with each one of her tweets no matter what she says someone writes underneath it so what you're saying is and then some ridiculous but by the way the your fans were mocking her but politely non aggressively there I didn't read any rude things like there was no there was no insults or there were well maybe a few insults but there's no swears it was just playful mocking of the interview that she did with you because the interview was ridiculous was a ridiculous interview and I listened to it or watched it several times I was like this is so strange like her determination to turn it into a conflict to it's one of the issues that I have with television shows yeah because they have a very limited amount of time and they're trying to make things as salacious as possible they want to have these sound bites these clickbait sound bites and she just went into it incredibly confrontational not trying to find your actual perspective but trying to force you to defend a non non-realistic perspective yes well I was that I was the hypothetical villain of her imagination essentially well what happened what was interesting to the way it played itself out because I met her in the green room beforehand you know she was being made up and then they put a little bit of powder on me and we had a friendly kind of interchange and then we went and sat in front of the cameras and for a couple of minutes you know before before the show got rolling and we had a pretty pleasant back and forth and then as soon as the cameras went on she was a completely different person and I thought oh I see I see what's going on yeah yeah well so so that kind of alerted me to well the fact that there was something rotten in the state of Denmark let's say yeah but you know this is also why YouTube is gonna kill TV because television by its nature all of these narrow broadcast technologies they they rely on forcing the story right because it has to happen now it has to happen in like often in five minutes because they only broadcast five minutes of that interview they did put the whole thing up on YouTube to their credit yeah it it hasn't ceased to amaze me yet I think that they thought that the interview went fine that's the scuttlebutt I've got from sort of behind the scenes because I've you know I know some people who know what's going on at Channel 4 and they're shell-shocked by the response you know and and then of course there is the counter response the Guardian the next day published a paper published an article saying that you know the head of Channel 4 had to call in police security because of threats you know well first of all you can call the police in about anything and they never did detail out exactly what the threats were you know but then about 20 newspapers picked that up and went for the well Kathy Newman is now being harassed by an army of online trolls for doing nothing but doing her job which well I and then there was a backlash against that in the press so it's been a well I what do you say about it of the the actual in interchanges that yeah between fans and her and there was way more negative ones coming your way yes that were seriously negative yeah that's right seriously negative violent harassing just rude the way more yeah and no one picked up on that at all yes all the narrative was she's a victim yeah even though she was highly aggressive in this but funny victim it's not like she's not successful yeah you know you think you should have to hand in your victim card I think like when you go to an Ivy League University it's like right then and there yeah because you don't get to be oppressor and oppressed at the same time that's just too much well one of the things that you pointed out was when you were talking about competition for very lucrative jobs and you were saying look what you've done like you you must have had to work here and she proudly was saying how hard she had to work yeah to get there I'm like well yes of course no one's gonna hand this to you no this is why and this is why you were saying you are opposed to equality of outcome of course outcome we I can't imagine anything we could possibly strive for in our society that would make it into hell faster than equality of outcome