Joe Rogan & Elon Musk - Are We in a Simulated Reality?

Okay, but is I mean ultimately is it making people happier right now most technology I would say no in fact you and I were talking about social media before this about just not having Instagram on your phone and not dealing you feel better Yes, I think that one of the issues with social media. It's been pointed out by many people is that I Think maybe particularly Instagram People look like they have a much better life Than they really do right so by design Yeah, people are posting pictures of when they're really happy. They're modifying those pictures to be better looking Even if they're not modifying the pictures, they're at least selecting the pictures for the best lighting the best angle So people basically seem They're way better looking than they basically really are right and They're way happier seeming than they really are so if you look at everyone on Instagram you might think man there are all these happy beautiful people and I'm not that good looking and I'm not happy so I'm a suck. You know and that's gonna Make you all sad so when in fact Those people you think are super happy actually not that happy some of them are really depressed. They're very sad Some of the happiest seeming people actually some of the saddest people in reality And and and nobody looks good all the time doesn't matter who you are no It's not even something you should want. Why do you want to look great all the time? Yeah, exactly so So I think I think things like that can make people quite sad Just by comparison because you just sort of you people people generally could think of themselves relative to To others. It's it's a we are constantly We baselining our expectations and You can see this say if you watch some show like naked and afraid or you know if you're just going to try living in the woods by yourself for a while and you're like I Learn that civilization is quite great Has lots a lot of it people want to come back to civilization pretty fast on naked and afraid wasn't that a thorough quote? The comparison is a thief of joy Yeah of happiness is reality minus expectations That's great too, but the comparison is the thief of joy really holds true to peep is it Theodore Roosevelt Roosevelt fascinating and when you think about Instagram because what essentially Instagram is with a lot of people is you're giving them the opportunity to be their own PR agent and They always go towards the glamorous, you know, and when anybody does show, you know, hashtag no filter If they really do do that, like oh, you're so brave. Look at you. No makeup No, yeah, they look good. Anyway, you look great. What are you doing? Oh my god, you don't have makeup on you still look hot as fuck You know what you're doing. I know what you're doing, too They're they're they're letting you know and then they're feeding off that comment section. Ooh Sitting there like look it's a fresh stream of love like you're getting right up to the sources It comes out of the earth and you're sucking that's a lot of water Emojis yeah a lot of merges My what my concern is not so much what Instagram is is that I didn't think that people had the need for this or the expectation for some sort of technology that allows them to constantly get love and adulation from strangers and Comments and this ability to project this sort of distorted version of who you really are But I worry about where it goes Like what's the next one? What's the next one? Like where is it is it gonna be augmented to some sort of a weird augmented or virtual sort of Instagram type situation? Where you're not gonna want to live in this real world You're gonna want to interface with this sort of world that you've created through your social media page some next-level thing Yeah, go live in the simulation. Yeah, maybe in the simulation ready player one type shit That's real that seems we have that HTC Vive here And I've only done it a couple times quite honestly because it kind of freaks me out sure my kids fucking love it man They love it They love playing these weirdo games and and and walking around with that headset on But part of me watching them do it goes wow I wonder if this is like the precursor just sort of like if you look at that that phone that Gordon Gekko had on The beach. Yeah, and you compare that phone. Yeah, you pair that to like a galaxy note 9 Yeah, the fuck did that become that right and I wonder when I see this HTC Vive I'm like, what is that thing gonna be 10 years from now when we're making fun of what it is now What is it? How I mean how ingrained and how how how connected and interconnected? Is this technology gonna be in our life? It will be At some point indistinguishable from reality Where we'll lose this we'll lose this like you and I just looking at you through our eyes I see where you see me. I think I hope you think so. I think you probably have read regular eyes This could be some simulation. It could do you entertain that? Well the argument for the simulation I think is quite strong Because if you assume any improvements at all over time any improvement 1% 0.1% just extend the time frame make it a thousand years a million years. The universe is 13.8 billion years old What would a Civilization if you counted if you're very generous Civilization is maybe seven or eight thousand years old if you count it from the first writing This is nothing. This is nothing so If you assume any rate of improvement at all then games will be indistinguishable from reality Or civilization will end one of those two things will occur Before we are most likely in a simulation Or we're on our way to one right well We could most certainly be on the road we could be on the road to that right It doesn't mean it has to have already in base reality. It could be in base reality We could be here now on our way to the road or on our way to the destination where this can never happen again Where we are completely ingrained in some sort of an artificial technology or some sort of a symbiotic relationship with the internet or the next level of Sharing information, but right now we're not there yet. That's possible too, right? It's possible that a simulation is one day going to be inevitable that we're gonna have something that's indistinguishable from regular reality But maybe we're not there yet. That's also possible We're not quite there yet that this is real When I touch that feels very real maybe that's why everybody's like in the like mason jars and shit Mason's weight shoes people are gonna like craft restaurants and they want raw wood Everyone says everyone else see metal people it seems like people are like longing towards some weird log cabin type Reality yeah like holding on like clinging just are dragging their nails through the mud like don't take me yet Yes, I want to look but then but then people go get a mason jar with the wine stem or handle That's dark Makes me lose faith in humanity wine stem and a handle they have those yes. Oh those dirty people. That's just assholes That's like people make pet rocks rough right some people are just assholes. They take advantage of our Generous nature it was made with the wine stem made with a handle They made it that way yes, so the onto the Mesa you thought that would be fine if there was The glued it on or something right don't be like made that way white trash. Sheik. Oh, this is disgusting Yeah, this is right. Yeah, this is terrible Yeah, that's like fake breasts that are designed to be hard like fake breasts from the 60s It's like if you're really long for the ones with ripples here we go Yeah, that's almost what that is yeah What are you gonna? Do man? There's nothing you know, it's not you do stop certain terrible ideas from propagating Yeah anyway, I don't want to sound like things are too dark because I think like you kind of have to Be optimistic about the future there's no point in being pessimistic It's just too negative Doesn't help you know I think you want to be I mean my theory is like you'd rather be Optimistic I think I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right right at least or on that side right Yeah, cuz if you're pessimistic it was going to be miserable. Yeah Yeah, nobody wants to be around you anyway if it's the end of the world you like a fuck told you bro. Yeah The world ending yeah It is what it is for all I mean enjoy the journey right if you really want to get Maros, I mean it is what it is for all of us anyway. We were all gonna go unless some something changes Yeah, I mean ultimately you know even if we just sort of existed as humans forever we'd be We'd still eventually that'd be like the heat death of the universe right as well in years from now Right if we get it past the Sun if we figure out a way past the Sun Running out of juice eventually it's gonna end. It's just a section of when right so it really is all about the journey hmm or transcendence From whatever we are now into something that doesn't worry about death The universe as we know it will dissipate into a fine mist of Cold nothingness eventually and then someone's gonna bottle it and put a fragrance to it Sell it to French people in another dimension. It's just a very long time So I think it's really just about how can we make it last longer? Are you a proponent of the multi universes theory? Do you believe that there are many many universes and that even if this one fades out that there's other ones that are starting fresh Right now and there's an infinite number of them. They're just constantly in this never-ending cycle of birth and death. I Think most likely this is just about probability there are many many simulations These simulations are you might as well call them reality or you could call them multiverse These simulations you believe are created like someone has many running on the substrate So that substrate is probably boring boring. Mm-hmm. How so Well when we create a simulation Like a game or a movie. It's the distillation of what's interesting about life you know like it it takes It takes a year to shoot an action movie and then that's all distilled down into two or three hours So let me tell you if you see an action movie being filmed friggin boring super boring Takes there's like lots of takes. There's everything's in a green screen Looks pretty goofy. It doesn't look cool but once you add the CGI it's and Have great editing. It's amazing so I Think most likely If we're a simulation it's really boring outside the simulation Because why would you make simulation that's boring it makes simulation way more interesting the base reality that is if this right now is a simulation yes and Ultimately inevitably we're if as long as we don't die or get hit by a meteor We're going to create some sort of simulation if we continue on the same technological path. We're on we're on right now Yes, but we might not be there yet, so it might not be a simulation here But it most likely is you feel other places This notion of place or where is is a flawed yes flawed like that if you have this sort of That vibe You know That's made by valve and Steve and H. It's really valve that made it HTC did the hardware, but it's really a valve thing Makers of half-life yes hmm valve great company great company When you're in that in that some in that Virtual reality which is only gonna get better Where are you? Where are you really right you aren't anywhere? Well where's in the computer what what you know what defines where you are is exactly right? It's your perception is it your perceptions, or is it you know a scale that we have under your butt right here I've measured you you're the same weight as you were when you left But you meanwhile your experience why do you think you're where you are right now? You might not be I'll spark up a joint If you keep talking your managers gonna come in here. We might have to lock the door Right now you think you're in a studio in LA that's what I heard you might be in a computer I'm missing man. I think about this all the time Yeah, I mean It's unquestionable that one day that'll be the case as long as we keep going as long as nothing interrupts us and if we start from scratch and You know we're single-celled organisms all over again, and then millions and millions of years later We become the next thing that is us with creativity and the ability to change its environment It's gonna keep monkeying with things until it figures out a way to change reality To change I mean almost like punch a hole through What is this thing into what what it wants it to be and create new things and then? those new things will intersect with other people's new things and then will be this ultimate pathway of Infinite ideas and expression all through technology Yeah, and then we're wonder we're gonna wonder like Why are we here? What are we doing? Let's find out Well, I mean I think we should take the actions The set of actions that are most likely to make the future better Yes, right. Yeah, right, right, and then reevaluate those actions to make sure they're there that it's true Why think?