Joe Rogan | Did Sonny Liston Throw the Muhammad Ali Fight?

But I remember when I'm old enough to remember when Cassius Clay beats on him. Yeah, beat him twice. He was like eight to one. That was another fight where a lot of people thought it was fixed. The second fight? The second fight. Lewis and Maine. Yeah. The hidden punch. Well, you could see the punch. They called it a phantom punch. You could see the punch, but it was like he called it an anchor punch because it's like as Liston was coming forward, he dropped it down on him like that and a lot of people say it didn't land. But you could see his head react. It definitely landed. The question was whether or not he decided to stay down once he got hit. I think he did. If you watch it, it just doesn't look realistic. Like if you watch when he goes down, the way he went down seemed maybe legit, but the way he stumbled around, he didn't stumble around like a guy who was central nervous system got jacked. Here, we watch it right here. Oh my God. 1965, baby. What a great producer you've got. He's the best. Watch this. Look at this. Bink. See, that's a real punch. 100%. And him dropping is real too. There's no doubt about it. The question was whether that was enough to take him out. Look at that. Bink. It could have. But watch the case. See if you can find the knockout, Jamie, because what's crazy about it wasn't him dropping them because I think that was legit. What's crazy was how afterwards he stumbled around like he couldn't move, like he couldn't get up. It just didn't seem real. We just had it there. That was a long explanation. I don't know if they're going to show the actual thing. Well, they just showed him trying to get up. That kind of looks like Kevin Spacey. Oh, that was the actual. Here it is. Here it is. Play it. Watch. Here's the punch. Boom. Now watch. He goes down and he just sort of laid down on his back and then he kind of stumbled around and acted like he couldn't get up. They just keep showing it over and over again. It was 100% a legitimate punch and people who say it's not. They've never seen people get KO'd because people get KO'd in all sorts of weird ways. It doesn't really make sense. Like it's a human being getting punched in the face. Weird shit happens, especially you get punched on the jaw. Like people get touched with like a jab sometimes and they go out. It doesn't make sense. And also sometimes here it is. It's right here. It's also sometimes it's weird because you might have gotten hurt real bad in training. So a lot of guys come into these fights and they're already injured. They just boom right there. Now let's watch him stumble around. So he goes down and he lays down on his back. See this is where I'm not buying it. This just seems like horse shit. But I could be wrong. Now he's stumbling. See like right there? That seemed like he decided to stumble and go down. And he's trying to get back up. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. But I'm not buying it. And so the referee was Jersey Joe Walcott who's a very famous champion of his own. Now they stopped the fight. Now why did they stop the fight? I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember. Well you know in the first fight, fifth round I think it was, Liston put some white stuff on his gloves. Yeah. And he blinded, this is how crooked the game was, he blinded Ali. Yeah. This is clay. So Liston wasn't above you know. Cheating.