Joe Rogan & Dennis McKenna Go DEEP Into Simulation Theory

Honestly, I think it's coming from those white shirt not gonna like this. I think it's coming from his wife This is going around today. This is a jacket she wore to Oh what she's saying it says I really don't care do you yeah, this was to a meeting of the like Immigration. Yeah kids. She's me kids. Yeah, what is that? Is that but is that some fashion jacket that she wore to that event? Yeah, what a stupid fucking thing to wear. I really don't care. Do you? Yeah, I care Yeah, I do care. But what are you talking about? What a bizarre open-ended question. I really don't care This is what the tone deafness of these people they have no sensitivity Which is how a critic though of separating children from their families and she actually made a surprise visit to the Mexican border today To check in on it. Yeah, just see what's going on good for her. Yeah good. Well, she's an immigrant I mean, this is the irony of the whole thing. She barely speaks English. The whole thing is so bizarre Is that his own wife is a fucking immigrant? I mean clearly the whole thing's crazy. It's it's really strange, but that jacket This what this is the sign of the simulation. Have you considered the simulation theory? Yes Might be real. I mean well sometimes I do wonder I mean it's like it's like reality Whatever we choose to call it is becoming so weird That I often ask myself who is writing this shit and can't they get a better writer? You know, I mean the plot is so Absurd and yet. Yeah, I began actively considering it when congressman Wiener kept pulling his dick out This is just crazy That guy I'm like this it's just too much and then when Trump won I just was sitting down going Imagine if we one day someone shuts it off and the lights dim and then they turn back on and you realize well The games over. How did you like it? You're like what? That was fake. Yeah, you you just went it only took an hour. How long did it seem like 50 years? You know, and yeah, you you you're in a simulation With artificial memories implanted into your mind Well the one day that there's the idea is that there's going to be an artificial reality or a virtual reality It's so good that it's indistinguishable I mean, this is almost inevitable if technology increases the same rate that it's increasing now whether it's very years from now or a hundred years From now, we're going to reach some point in time. So the real question is when we do reach that how will we know? Well, what if we're already there? Yes, but if it is a simulation, how would we know and how do we test it? Yeah, how do we test it? Yeah, do you but another aspect of this is? Do we really want this, you know do I mean do we want to be immersed in a virtual reality? even if we could produce one so sophisticated we couldn't tell it from From whatever this is. Let's assume for the moment that this is reality It's not do we want to migrate into a virtual reality? My concern my real concern is that we are the last wave of the biological human I'm really I really do believe this I'm concerned about that too. I'm not sure I think that that's a good thing I don't necessarily think it's a good thing for the biological human But I feel like if you separate yourself from the idea of good and bad and the inevitability of innovation and progress It's if human beings continue to make more and more complex electronics with higher and higher capabilities It's inevitable that we become symbiotic with these things that we ingrain them into our They're gonna become a part of your body. We're gonna replace body parts with more efficient body parts, right? And we're one day going to create some sort of artificial life now Whether we become a part of that artificial life we you know merge with it or it just assumes the role of the leader of the earth One of those things is likely to happen within the next 500 years It's just and that's that's a really generous timeframe. Yeah, I think that's a generous timeframe. Yeah. Well, you know this this I Mean in some ways this is sort of You know this this this raises the issue about you know One of the things that psychedelics put in front of us front and center is the fact that we are getting a strange from nature Yeah, you know that's the main lesson. We're getting a strange from nature. We have to re-understand our relationship and You know become a partner that's in the symbiosis with nature and this Projection is the exact opposite of that. Yeah, so is that you know, so maybe you know And this this raises also in one issue that we haven't really touched on but here but you know Technology which is what this virtual reality stuff is and what any artifact is psychedelics or technology Molecular biology is technology cybernetics as technology Technology Inherently has no moral dimension, you know, these are not good or bad things You know the way that they are used by humans the decisions that humans make in the way that they're gonna exploit Or deploy these technologies. That's where the moral dimension comes in Morality comes out of the human heart, you know, and we are one of our problems. I feel as a species We're extremely clever, but we're not wise That's what it is. We're not wise about what we do. We're not Able to step back and say well, yeah We can produce we can you know Download the brain into cybernetics or we can produce an artificial body or we can do all this Genetic stuff do we ever stop to think about just because we can do something should we do something? You know, we we and the arrogance of science. This is also a problem the scientists will say well Via scientists right we can do it. So let's do it, you know, we can do the Hadron Experiment and well, maybe it'll collapse the space-time continuum, but the very small probability So let's do it. Right? Yeah, and There's something we have to learn I think also the psychedelics are important in that regard to they are ways that we can Bring our our cleverness and our wisdom into sync so that we have the wisdom Not to do something even though we might be able to we shouldn't do it just because we can do it you know, we really have to as a species ask ourselves is this a good idea and I think again these the psychedelics are Teaching tools for learning this and and really propagating the message from the community of species That's for sure going to be a meme with a photo of your face that we are very clever, but we're not wise That's for sure going to be a meme some some dude is right or gal is working on that right now Well, I've been talking about this for Yeah, so So right so striking, you know, my real concern with this stuff is that this is inevitable And this is just like the single-celled organism became the multi-celled organism and that the the thinking curious monkey Who strives for material possessions is designed to create artificial life and this is just what we've we've were set here I've described it as that we are the technological Butterfly that will emerge from the cocoon and right now we're creating this cocoon that we are this Caterpillar yes technological caterpillar and we don't know why we're making this cocoon and that we are going to give birth to this artificial life This next stage of and that may be complexity that may be true, too I mean, I mean what you say is true, you know on some level anything that can be done is Going to be done. Somebody's gonna do it, right? But So, you know Is it good is it is it good? Is it good for the collective? I mean, you know, there are always megalomaniacs who will say well, I can do it. I can start a nuclear war So why don't we do this, you know? That's that's the tricky part again, I think you know psychedelics are important in giving us a moral compass, I mean wisdom not not a set of You know rules about that come out of the religious perception a set of rules that come out of the biological perception What is most compatible? What is most nourishing nourishing for living things? Presumably we don't want to trash this planet, you know, we now have the ability to do that You know the forces that we can manipulate For the first time in history pose a real possibility that we could end life on earth I Think it's hard, but I think we may be able to do it I for one don't want to see that happen I had a bit a few years back in my comedy act about the origins of the universe and that What happens is people get so smart that they develop a big bang machine and that? Someone's sitting around and some guy who's on the autism spectrum was filled up with SS RIs and antidepressants and drinking Red Bull all day He just goes fuck it I'll press it and he hits the button and boom we start from scratch and then every you know 14 plus billion years Someone develops the big bang machine and hits it and that's the the restart of the universe over and only obsessed with this idea The universe is a simulation. Yeah, I am in some ways. It's possible. I mean it's possible it is well It's inevitable that there will be simulated worlds, right? I'm not necessarily Completely obsessed with the the idea that we're living in a simulation, but I am completely obsessed that we are a relic and that We are on our way out. I really am I really do think that maybe that's one of the reasons why we're so crazy and so hey wire It just shows there's no logical progression for our culture that it's as Advanced as we are as much access to information as we have we're also as crazy as we have ever been if not crazier Yeah, yeah, yeah So the age of the curious monkey is coming to a close. I wonder how much of a limitation our biology is too I mean you think about what it took to get to here and all the battles we had to fight and the animals we had to run from and all these human reward systems that are ingrained into our DNA and that now here we are in a place where we hardly need them and yet we still have them just Blowing up and exploding and vomiting all over the place in these weird ways and yeah, we have them sort of Manifesting themselves from very strange behaviors that aren't aren't good for anybody and this constant need to acquire material possessions and conquer and and and Obtain things that this is this is not tenable This is not something that makes sense in the long haul But yet we still go down this illogical road and that this is really just because this is the best way to fuel Innovation our extreme desire for material possessions is the best way to ensure that they're gonna keep coming up with newer better things every year Which will eventually give birth to the electronic butterfly Well, I don't know what to say about I mean it may be that may be where we're Where we're headed and that and you know, it may be that This Is a necessary step I mean if if our destiny is to actually leave the earth at some point if if the earth is an incubator for life and we're just destined to leave it and spread out into the galaxy and Beyond who knows? I mean then maybe this is Inevitable that we have to that we have to do that if that's what's happening But the question is what kind of being will we be when we do that? You know, we won't be human right will be something different than human That's what I've always wondered about the alien archetype that big-headed thing with the no genitals and no mouth That that may be what we think of as being the ultimate form that the human animal takes Right if when we do if we do symbiotically merge with technology and electronics that that might be the form that we take It's just so strange at that one accepted form and I've heard I've heard the idea that this this image is something when young eyes from a newborn baby sees a doctor And see the doctor with the mask and the you know, yeah face And this is what they see and that this is imprinted in our mind this traumatic experience of the birth and the birth Bright lights and the operating table. This is why so many of these Alien abduction experiences do take place in these very clinical sterile environments and it seems like a medical procedure as if this is a remnant of the birth process I've heard that experience. I've heard that explanation but it also just it strikes me that these things are there if you go you go from Ancient hominids you go from Australia pithicus and then you go to modern computer programmer who doesn't exercise and you look at their body this sort of like doughy thin Body, it doesn't move very well. Right? It's and then you go back to this muscular ape like creature That's covered in hair. They've lost all the hair. They've lost all the muscle. They become thin and then where is that going? Well, it's obviously going in that same direction It's not gonna people are not gonna get more muscular and harder and hairier as time goes on unless something radical changes and we need To adapt right so that would be the normal I mean the path would that would be the natural progression that we would eventually have bigger heads because we have bigger heads in Australia pithicus and certainly bigger heads than chimps or bonobos and it just keeps going in that same direction. Mm-hmm Well possibly yeah, or maybe we just leave the biological shell behind you know, but then Human I mean we are transhuman. Yeah, and we You know, I'm I'm not sure I want to go there I don't think I want to go there but I'm what I'm thinking is like what is what is it that's making me cling to? These ideas is it that I love emotions. I love illogical behavior. Do I love art? Yeah, I love all those things I love music and food and all the things that cooking and all the things that make a person a person comradery, but what are those things aren't those chemical reactions we have with other beings and Natural reward systems that are built in to sort of enhance community and camaraderie so that we stay together so the species survives Like what if there's something that supplants that what if there's something that far surpasses that in terms of pleasure and connectivity? And we realize that emotions are just these these ancient Systems that were put into place when there wasn't wasn't a better option with these better options It's it's much better to get your food from a supermarket than it is to chase down a gazelle for two days until it dies of you know of heat stroke, you know, I mean these these Systems improve over time, you know this This animal that we are now is very different than the animal we used to be Why do we want to stay in this imperfect state that seems even more ridiculous that would like to stay humans forever Humans are so flawed. We mean there's a reason why we have all this nonsense in the world and our society is sick And we are twisted and confused Part of it at least has to be that the human animal itself is very flawed because there's no perfect culture You can't just know chalk it up to culture Because if you did chalk it up to culture you would say well this culture sucks But if you go to this culture, it's amazing. There's no crime. Everyone loves everyone. It's completely open there's no need to worry about money because everybody's generous and Everything gets and they're really brilliant and they get along and they create new Architecture and everything's fantastic. It's the perfect society that doesn't exist But isn't that the culture that we can create with the help of psychedelics? Is that what we're shooting for now? Human a truly humanistic culture where people were love is What's happening where it's driven by love and not by hatred and rivalry and scarcity and fear? You know and that's the whole thing the psychedelics can be the catalyst that teaches us How to love ourselves how to love each other how to love the earth. I mean, I know that sounds cliche and Trivial, but that is in fact that is in fact What the promise that they hold for us? That's why they're teachers. They're teaching learning tools. They can teach us to be The human beings that we would like to be You know, right and I and that's the thing that's that's the alternative to this hyper technological future, you know and I mean, I'm all for technology. I'm not against technology. But again, I think we have to You know, we have to We have to bring wisdom to it we have to make a situation where you know It is not controlling us. We are controlling it and we're thinking clearly about We have you know this enormous panoply of technologies that can do so many things We have to think about how do we deploy those in such a way to maximize? Human potential or you know our humanity so that's really I think what the promise that psychedelics hold out and That's you know, that's what we're hoping to create you know as a colonel and we're not the only ones obviously a lot of people have this idea and it's happening but That's the idea is to create a place where people can learn this and you know and That's my hope for the future of humanity Well, it's it's a great hope for the future that people that are alive today, and I think that's the most important We don't know what's coming but we do know it's here right and I think that's a great hope for what's here