Joe Rogan | Could People Still Have Purpose with UBI? w/Greg Fitzsimmons

Well, that's why we were talking about, I think you had a guest on that talked about how with how everything's getting, robots are taking over. That's the book by- Andrew Yang. It was probably the presidential candidate. Yeah, you're talking about how they're going to subsidize the whole population? Yes. Yes. He's called universal basic income. But with that, you know, it sounds like it may happen, that type of a system, but there's still going to be despair because you still need a sense of purpose. You still need to work. Yeah. And feel good about yourself. That's the counter to that. Yeah. And I agree with both things, unfortunately. That's hype. I agree that most likely automation is going to take over. Here's the thing. When people need purpose, they still need purpose. They need purpose now. But would $1,000 a month, if everyone knew they had $1,000 a month coming from the government, would it make you more invested in being an American? Would it make you more invested in keeping this thing running? You're actually getting paid from it. You're looking at America like it's generating income, and you're getting paid from it. You're getting enough money so you can eat and have a roof over your head. The three of us got $1,000 a month. That's $3,000 a month. There's a place we could get with the three of us. It was like $1,500 a month. And then the rest of it, we would just put into food and whatever. And you could live. Right. Feed hookers. You would live like that. That's a livable wage for enough. If you get enough people to get $1,000 a month, it's not perfect. So the question is how does it make you feel about yourself and about your country? Yeah. And this is the question too. Does that stop you from pursuing your dreams? Because it's not like you're getting 50 grand a year. Like if you were getting 50 grand a year, man, it'd be hard to get me to work. If I just had free 50 grand every year, like how much do you really need? If you have an apartment, like it's not easy. I know folks that are making 50 grand. Like, hey, you know, you'd be surprised. You don't really save much. And if you have a car and a lease and either a mortgage or an apartment payment, I get it. I get it. But if you had 50 grand a year, it would be really hard for you to grind. It'd be really hard for you to really go after something. Just be obsessed. Unless that's just your style. That's just who you are. Well, it seems like, I don't know if it's more manageable way to just socialize medicine and make higher education free. I think both those things are imperative. I really do. I think especially education. Why should it cost money to figure out how to make people more intelligent and contribute better? Wouldn't you want less losers? Wouldn't you want more educated people that have a better understanding of how the world works? Especially since we're a service economy. We're not a manufacturing economy anymore. We need people that understand how to manage and to be entrepreneurial and, you know, communicate. Just be educated. I mean, if there's more people that are smarter, then you have more competition, then you have more productivity. I mean, it would just be better for everybody. You don't want ignorant people. You don't want it. Meanwhile, education, my son's going to college. It's fucking $65,000 a year. That's so much money. Times four years times two kids. That's $600,000 a year. What Americans got an extra $600,000? So your kid is now saddled with a debt that he'll be paying off forever. He's underwater. That's not $600,000 a year. You're saying $65,000 a year and two kids. $65,000, $71,000, $130,000. You mean forever. For four years. Yeah, for four years. For four years times two kids. I was like, $650,000 a year. That's like $600,000 total. Over the course of their college careers. And you have to make more than a million to have that, by the way. Because you've got to pay taxes. And you're not just only spending money on that. You've got to spend money on living expenses and your mortgage and your house. So that, you're really talking about two million probably. And don't think your kid's coming out of college into a job that's going to be able to support himself. You're still going to be subsidizing their phone and their car insurance and probably part of their rent for the next five, six years after that. Parting tickets when they come to visit. Yeah. And if you're thinking about that over these four years, you really, if you want a hundred grand, you kind of have to make 200. And then you got insurance. If you're on the market as a family of four to get health insurance in California, you're paying $20,000 a year, between $15,000 and $20,000 a year, which means again, you got to earn 40. A lot of people are moving out of California because of state tax. A lot of people realize, you know, I can live in Nevada and not pay any state tax. Why would I want to pay state tax? What am I doing? That's a lot of money. It is. Like 10%. Right? Yeah. And then if you live in New York city, you have to pay a state and a city tax. Oh, you dirty bitches. Big fat fucking city tax. Oh, is that to keep the rats? That's to keep the electricity going for the guys that are taking the train in from Connecticut every day and working on wall street that aren't paying the fucking city tax.