Joe Rogan - Are We in a Simulated Reality?

And it's a Star Wars one at Disneyland, dude. It's fucking why yeah, you go across you're walking across You you can really get a workout with that. I'm not joking if you get exhausted Yeah, and you know you you keep going and fight tougher and tougher opponents, right? Well, you know that's and that's the quite you know So like talk about haptic suits like we're eventually you know, you're gonna wear things I didn't see the I read the book but I didn't see the what was it the movie that just Ready set ready player one. I didn't see it I didn't see you have you read the book the book's really good because the book is like full immersion Like the whole book is about like when virtual reality is it and so everybody has these suits that you know And you're kind of in this ball you play the game in a ball so you can run and you know But in some sense, yes, we're just starting out along these lines Well, they have these places you can go that they have a warehouse set up and you go inside it And I went through one with my kids and it's a Star Wars one at Disneyland, dude. It's fucking why You're walking across this platform like they have all these different places where you actually walk through Yeah, and as you're walking through you look to the left and to the right and there's fire, but you feel the heat from the fire It's fucking crazy. Yeah, so I got like heater set up so that blows up and stormtroopers start shooting at you This is it right here. What is it called? The void the void? Yeah, and You do this. I'm telling you man This is better than any of the rides at Disneyland and it's just outside of Disneyland in downtown Disney So you don't have to pay to get into get it, but it costs. I think it's $35 for half an hour. It's not cheap, but it's not too bad. It's not too bad Like you know, that's it's fucking awesome. I mean it is awesome Yeah, so so the question is what happens with all this right the future right because yeah virtual reality We're just on the cusp of her right We're just beginning to like start playing around with these technologies because people would be saying it for years and it kind of sucked It was sort of clunky. Well, we're we're we used to play pong, right? That's what I started with you. I'm a 55. Yeah, I'm 50. So I remember pong we were excited I can't believe I'm controlling the TV Making the thing move on the TV or asteroids. Yeah Yeah, it's a Star Wars game. I don't think what's called asteroids, but you flew through the trench Wireframe yeah, but it was amazing I dropped a lot of quarters sure so go from that to what you were showing us here these crazy new space games Yeah, and then imagine what these mean the Star Wars thing today the void is really cool But you know that it's not real right, but it's cool right, but you know, it's not real Well, you're not gonna be able to tell it's not real in 20. Yes Yeah, right and how much time are you wearing a suit by the way right when you do this? Oh you well really you have a little pressure and you heat well you feel it when you get in shot Wow you feel like And you know, it's funny even with the controller on my crappy ps4 huh? You know when it vibrates when you you know, even that's enough to sort of give you It's amazing how much the brain sort of picks up on these signals when you're using the HTC Vive and you draw the arrow back When it gets to the knocking point you feel it like That's cool. You release. There's a feeling in your hand. Yeah, I see in the arrow. It's really cool Yeah, so what happens when and you know, right I can be sort of like, you know, grandpa be like that's terrible People should be going out in nature, which I think they should be you know now But you know, I always I'm always aware whenever I'm sort of like oh shit, this is gonna be terrible I always remember the whole you can see in like I think at some point Socrates, you know, 2005 years 500 years ago He's like Oh kids today. They're all bunch, you know assholes, right? So, you know who knows what we'll do with it and you know, hopefully and maybe it'll help, you know Maybe I don't know, you know, I may think there's I don't want to be like, oh that's terrible But there clearly are there's gonna be dangers with this a different game Jamie. There's a new one. Oh boy I'm gonna be fucked. Oh, yeah, just the hands Yeah And so your you have two little hand controllers and one of them would be the arrow and the other one would be the bow And you wear them and that's the haptic part and it'll there's controllers on them. Well, you feel the arrow Vibrating against the riser of the bow as you draw it back to it's really cool Well, it's funny cuz you know, we talked about like, you know for the the game that we built which was awesome It was really a lot of fun to actually go through the process of like, how do you you know, how do you script it? How do you teach people, you know, like because that whole thing that you when we get in a good when you're a good game Right, you know in the first couple hours of a game and you're just learning the basic stuffs and you get excited This is a cool world to be in But I'd be interested to think like sort of you know I'm some point did a tribe VR for the same thing because what can you once you can have people be tactile They're not just sort of in their head. What else can you do to sort of show them teach them things, you know Glaciers or you know, I'm sure that's another thing in Disneyland They have a thing called soaring over the world That you sit in a chair and you get raised up and there's a giant like IMAX style screen and it flies you over these environments it's incredible so beautiful right and you Different smells are in the air and the different places that you go to like when you go over the ocean Yeah, the elephants you smell grass and hay. Yeah, and I think that it's just a matter of time like as we were talking about before where Biological entities might not be necessary for space travel You might be able to send a robot put on a suit and be able to experience these worlds right like in real time Yeah, well, um, so, you know, you know the simulation argument. Yeah, that's a philosophy argument about that You know, and so that's a really interesting idea. Should we just run through it for people who don't know it? So I forgot who was Nick Bostrom. No, maybe not Brandon Carter You know, there's this this guy philosopher came with this brilliant argument for like why we're probably a simulator Probably somebody else's simulation self-aware simulation and the idea is like look if you get one You know, we've been talking about like civilizations when they get a million years ahead What can they do that? They're so powerful they can build computers that can simulate reality fully simulate reality We're like, you know, just like in the matrix you have programs that are self-aware And so, you know once they get to that and they start running simulations of the world, right? It's cheaper to run it's cheap to run simulation. So they just run trillions of them, right? So the idea is that from that argument there's more simulated realities than there is the one real reality So odds are right, you know if there's a trillion simulated realities and one real reality, you're probably in a simulated reality So are we a you know everything like right now you and I think this is real, you know But what we are is an incredibly detailed and we are self-aware programs in you know, a silicon Matrix of you know So that argument is brilliant. I mean, you know, I mean just from the just from this point of view of like numbers Yeah, there's lots of reasons to say that's not possible But but it's you know raises this issue of like yeah What is simulation but if you were in a simulation the whole matrix thing if you were in a simulation that was that real? How would you know? Yeah, how could you know? There are a we're going to be if you allow technology to continue, right? If we keep moving forward at an exponential pace, there's gonna come a point in time where we have something that's indistinguishable from reality, right? So how do we know that we're not already in it? Yeah, and once we're in it, will we create another reality? Will we continue to create simulations inside of simulations like fractals? I mean fractals exist in nature they exist everywhere in the universe and There's there's also the argument that the atomic structure itself might really be a universe, right? Right? Yeah Which is dude super stoner talk But you know, it's really I mean what that's why I love science fiction, you know the explorations of these ideas You know, I mean they're way out there and they're but you know, they're fun exercises They're fun exercises and there's a way in which again when you think a million two million years in the future This is why I might want to you know, I hate the lube this back to climate change But just like God if we could just make it through who the fuck was what we're gonna be, right? I mean, there's not there's the whole universe one thing I did like about Interstellar was the idea that like our future selves which have now become integrated into the very fabric of reality You know, that's how far you've evolved you become the laws of physics that they're kind of opening up the wormhole for us Yeah, so, you know a million years is so long Who knows what we can become and it's just like, you know, don't hold us back I mean, I'm you know, I'm not a fan of the people that Deny science, but one thing I am a fan of is watching them do it Like like watching monkeys throw shit at the zoo. There's something weird about watching people Argue like really obvious right-wing talking points and and and most of them by the way have no financial Interest in climate change right one way or the other they're not they're not the wealthy elite Yeah, there are these weirdos that are like vampire familiar. It's like they want to be recognized as like an ally Yeah of the elite they think somehow know that that's really what it is, right? Yeah You know