Joe Rogan and Radio Rahim on Chavez vs. Jacobs

He's, I love Andre Ward for a bunch of reasons, but one for the fact that that guy undefeated gold medalist, two division world champion because you know what? We're good. Walked away. Just walked away. And I sense that he will stay away. Oh yeah, he's going to stay away. You know, they talked to him about Canelo after Canelo knocked out Kovalev and he made a long statement about that he's better off for boxing, even for boxing outside of fighting. You know, he knows like he's so smart, man. He's so smart and so disciplined. He's just so disciplined. He knows like there's no reason. There's no reason to come back. This is the right way to do it. There's big money in coming back, but there's also big brain damage. The ego after you retire is the biggest fight of your life. You're exactly right. This guy's undefeated. I'm sure if you're a talk to him off camera, I could beat Canelo. You know, of course, he must think that just because of who he is. You've got to think that sort of thing to stop yourself from the money, the glory one more time, the possibility of you imagine coming out of retirement and beating like Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez. To be able to be like, you know what? It's better for me and it's better for boxing. If I stay retired and keep sitting ringside and talking about these fights and the way I do, that's a special kind of character. He's a special person, but he also has this issue with his right shoulder. You know, his right shoulder was basically broken most of his career and he got it fixed before the second Kovalev fight and he actually wound up hurting Kovalev real bad with a right hand. If you watch his career, he was like a left-handed fighter from the majority of us. His super-spinatus was like ripped off. Like it was really fucked up and he tried to rehab it with bands instead of going through surgery when he was young. And so most of his career, he beat the best fighters in the world. Karl Froch, all those guys, one-handed, which is even more insane. Even more insane. And then, you know, had the surgery, rehabbed it, but he said it's still not 100%. It's never going to be 100%. Right, which is why people are afraid of surgery. It's like, oh, you know, I'd rather do the bands or anything than take the chance. That's better than it was before. I think before he had like 40% use of his shoulder, which is crazy. He said he never felt like he could throw a good punch. He always felt like it was going to blow out on him. Geez. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. Fucked everybody up with one hand. That's how you make yourself a legend. He's definitely a legend, but I mean, maybe an underappreciated legend, you know, in terms of mainstream boxing viewpoint. I don't think the mainstream public really appreciates how great he was. No. In his time or after. It will take like people reflecting on history, I think, unfortunately for him. His kids and their kids might get the benefit of who their dad or grandfather was more so than he's getting it now. Yeah. Well, there's certain great fighters that for whatever reason, they never really captured the public's imagination, even though they were great. Marlon Starling, who was a fantastic welterweight, knocked out Mark Breeland, who was actually now Deontay Wilder's trainer. Yeah. But I remember when Mark Breeland was coming from the Olympics and he was this really long, tall welterweight, and he fought Starling. And Starling wasn't really appreciated enough. And Starling put it on him. And you realize that there's guys out there that for whatever reason, people don't appreciate them as much as they should. Yeah. Timing's everything. Also, you got to catch... It's unfortunate, but as much as we hate just guys putting on an act or hyping themselves up with these characters they create, that is bankable. I mean, we all know guys who don't deserve the shots that they continue to get, but because they bring an audience with their shit talking or with their antics and all the show that they put on, it's better than the fight. You know who's the most confusing to me? It's Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's confusing to me. Like that last fight, I'm like, what are you doing? Like you're saying, like the guy head butted me, my nose is broken, I'm quitting. I was like, what are you doing? Do you not understand? You're Mexican. Those are the hardest motherfuckers on earth when it comes to boxing. You're not just Mexican. You are the shyness of the man. He won something like 31 world title fights. Some insane number. He has the record of world title wins. Which is also like an unattainable goal. Like if you decide to go into boxing and your father is Julio Cesar Chavez. Dude, one of the goats. What do you hope to... Oh my god. How far can you hope to get in legacy? I almost feel bad for the guy because there's got to be so much going on in his head to put him in a place where he's at. But yet he's talented. He's a good fighter. His skills, his ability to put hands on people are very good. But I think also there's something about growing up wealthy. It's just almost impossible. You kind of have to have some part of your life that was fucked up and you didn't think it was going to work out. You didn't think there was a future and there's a burn that never goes out. There's like a little fire that never goes out. Ease is a greater challenge than adversity. Yes, it is man. There's something about comfort that just makes bitches out of people. It just does. It's so hard to overcome that. You can't even forcibly remove yourself from that comfort. Just very few human beings are able to really achieve greatness when they grow up with great wealth and privilege. Something about that life of leisure and knowing that everything's going to be okay. Your dad made $50 million. You're going to be fine. There's something about that that just for whatever reason, it just haunts people. Yeah, I mean he would almost have to have... There'd be something burning brightly inside him, almost like a resentment for his father unfortunately. I don't think love could propel you to even come anywhere near his legacy. You'd actually have to hate the guy just to be fire burning bright enough to attain anything close to what he did. And I feel bad for his dad too. His dad watching him quit, I'm like, oh no. He's a loving father man. It's not the first time he's been embarrassed. He keeps coming back like, all right, this is the one. This is the time. One more. Canelo fight was a rough one too. But Canelo outclassed him. Canelo was just a better fighter. And Shub is not a quitter. This last time, he may have had a point. Maybe he was headbutt, maybe the elbows, but quitting and boxing obviously is the cardinal sin. I wasn't that fucked up. It wasn't like his nose was pouring blood and he couldn't breathe out of it anymore and it was from a blatant foul. He looked okay, right? Yeah. Maybe there was something going on that we couldn't see. But he looked okay. And then he took videos from the hospital the next day with tape on his nose. Right. He was not helping. Lay low for a while, bro. Yeah.