Jesse Ventura Discusses Chris Kyle & Lawsuit (from Joe Rogan Experience #858)

Hello freak bitches. When all that shit went down with Chris Kyle and the when he said that he punched you in a bar, you sued the family like... No I didn't. I didn't sue the family. You sued him rather. I sued him and he died and then the suit automatically goes to his estate. That's the way the legal works. She was never in any jeopardy because in any writer's contract you have insurance from the publisher. So it's me... They portrayed it and I became the villain going after the widow and the kids. Yeah exactly. That's the biggest lie. It was a big insurance company that's covering the whole thing. They're not out of penny and they won't be out of penny. But you had to explain that I'm sure over and over again. No I couldn't explain it but the trial got overturned because the insurance came out. So it's okay to lie in court but if the truth comes out you can get a new trial. The insurance came out, what does that mean? In court. You're not allowed to say that insurance is paying for everything even though it's the truth. You're not allowed to say that in court. So what happens when you say it in court? Well it came out and the judge allowed it to a limited degree and then the appeals court ruled that the judge shouldn't have did that. Because having the judge say that it sways people to be more inclined to rule against the insurance company. Yeah. Because the insurance company is a big people aren't they? Even though the other side is doing what's called poor mouthing. They're getting up and saying it's taxing them financially and lying. The truth is insurance is paying for all of it. Don't get up and lie about it. So the other side was saying this is going to devastate our family. Oh yeah. But in reality they were. Oh yeah. Trying to influence the and and in this case let me state this. How overwhelming must the evidence have been for the jury to go against the grieving widow of the dead war veteran. Yeah it must be pretty overwhelming. The evidence was overwhelming. The jury went from they came for me. They said he was lied this didn't happen and were awarding. Why do you think he did that? Did you know him? No. You didn't know him. No. I mean I didn't know even who he was until the thing happened. We were there on the same nights we were at McPhee's because I was there for a graduation of class 258. I'm class 58. It's traditionally every hundred classes if you can you come back to the graduation. So class 258 was graduating the next day on Friday. I came out along with my teammates from class 58 to attend that graduation the next day. So why would I say bad things about the SEALs? If I'm there that's what he said he punched me for. Well tell people don't know what we're talking about because probably a lot of people listening to this have no idea what we're talking about. So let me just fill them in real quick. All right. The the book American Sniper the movie with Bradley Cooper was just giant hit movie very patriotic movie about a guy was one of the most successful snipers in US history right. Very successful warrior, Navy SEAL, war hero, everybody loved him. Then he goes on the Opie and Anthony show and he says that he punched you out. Well there's a chapter in his book yes where he writes that he called me scruff face. Yeah. And he said that I said SEALs deserve to die that in other words he accused me of treason. Yes. And I was out there for a SEAL graduation. If I felt that way about my old unit why would I be attending? So he wrote in the book he gave you a nickname in the book. Scruff face. Whoever I mean he might not have even when he wrote it in the book he might not have even thought that he was gonna give that to you. I mean who knows what was going on. My thought was at the time I was trying to wrap my head around why anybody would do this and I was thinking when maybe he's just trying to generate as much controversy as possible to generate as much income as possible from his book and it just got out of hand. I don't I mean I was trying to put it together because there was a couple other fabrications right there was a shooting at a gas station that never took place. And he said that he during Katrina he was on the dome and shot people who were looting. Yeah that was disturbing because that's murder. Yeah and he also lied about his medals the Navy had to come out and correct he said he had two silver stars and five bronze stars he had one silver star and three bronze stars so he lied about three medals. Well that's it's a one and three is impressive enough. Exactly exactly and then they try to give him an excuse saying well he was confused no you're not. When you get a medal like that it's like graduating from college they give you a certificate that puts on your wall if you win the bronze star or the silver star. But as a seal yourself and he threw me under the bus. What does that feel like to you? Treason. But this is obviously this is something that's very near and dear to your heart. Hugely he has made it to where I can't go to a reunion anymore there were 170 seals that wanted me kicked out of the UDTCEEL Association over his lie and the lies of his buddies who came up and tried to testify for him. So what it got embarrassing in the trial. His buddies said that it actually happened? No they couldn't say it but they tried to say everything else to make it seem like it did. Well how the hell did they do that? Well because they dance around the questions and the lawyering and well you have to piece together. There wasn't one witness that saw me get hit and there wasn't one witness that heard me say anything he attributed to me. And weren't you visible the next day? Yeah we have pictures. No punch. We have photographs that night them posing for pictures with me. If I had said all this stuff why would they have take pictures with me? What does that feel like when someone just fucking lies? Horrible. And what's worse about it is the media jumps on it and convicts me of it because why? They broke the story when I went off the grid in Mexico where I couldn't even come back. So they broke the story do you think they knew? I'm starting to believe it. But didn't it happen on the Opie and Anthony show? Yeah. But I don't think that was planned because I know those guys. Yeah but was the whole while they also did it he did it that day on O'Reilly later that afternoon. So once he named you he just started naming you everywhere. Oh yeah then he went then it went viral. It went viral and everyone convicted me because they said well this Iraq war veteran wouldn't lie. Really? I just watched. Let me tell you about it's destroyed my life. I can't get hired for a job. During my trial after it was over guess what happened? 34 major media conglomerates entered the trial with that Amacy they call it or whatever of influencing the Court of Appeals to overturn my verdict and they did it. 34 media conglomerates the New York Times the Washington Post all of these media conglomerates appealed to the Court of Appeals to overturn my verdict. But why? Because I won on something called unjust enrichment. They want the ability to be able to defame you and profit from it. In other words I'll put it what they had what these judges accommodated them with there's gonna be another trial they've ordered a new trial. So I got to go through it again but I'm glad because when it comes out two juries and two judges find Kyle guilty who's not gonna believe it then? And but the point is they they've ordered a new trial they've they dis they threw out the whole verdict of the jury the federal judge who wrote substantial evidence supporting the jury's verdict they did all that and they violated their own rules a 76 year rule here's what it states if because it happened during summation where the judge allowed it in the my attorney it ended up four questions in an 11-day trial and a half a page of a 20-page summary and it was overturned on that and they overturned it because they felt it was undue influence on the jury that they found out that insurance was paying for everything. That's it, is that one factor? Well and here's the deal if the rules state that if in final argument they say something you must object you must object so the trial lawyer has a chance to rule during final argument and the jury has a chance to hear the ruling they never objected. So they must object to undue influence because of the fact that it was... Wait they never wait they never objected the jury was dismissed at 1158 at 1202 they then objected the judge overruled them and we were done with it. Well these two judges Riley and Shepherd have now overturned the case on something that was never objected to in trial they objected to it so they overturned the jury and the federal judge then they also overturned my unjust enrichment claim because the media didn't want it what they've allowed now is the media can defame you and profit from it and you can't get any of their profits no matter how they harm you. Well that's the equivalent of if you went out and robbed the bank and they caught you and they sentenced you to two years in prison for the bank robbery but when you get out you get to keep all the money you took. So that's in this particular case. Yes. Which will now be the standard because they've ruled that way they now make it to where you can profit from wrongdoing. Because of this case. Yep. This is such a touchy case because it's so indicative of the complications of people because people are not simple. It's really not touchy he lied. He did lie but... And he harmed me with his lie. But that's not what I'm saying. What's complicated is he's also the subject of this gigantic movie and this symbol of patriotism where so many people will say Chris Kyle rest in peace so many people would have I saw a cloud that was someone took a photo in the cloud that's not a cloud that's Chris Kyle it looked like a sniper in the cloud in this it's Chris Kyle guiding the guys. Like it became a meme I mean he became this thing where it wasn't he was a representative of the the brave military like the the betrayal but honestly the betrayal that Bradley Cooper played in that movie that movie was so simplistic and so it was it was like right out of a Joseph Campbell movie. Let me add this. The perfect hero's journey. Had I not gone to court that would have been in the movie. Really? I had to stop it. They were gonna have him punch you in the movie. Well certainly it's in the book. Holy shit. And I had to stop it. Because no when we were when we were in trial you know what they tried to do to diminish my role because when they knew they were gonna lose their lawyer got me on the stand and he said Mr. Ventura he said would it surprise you to know that the first draft of the movie doesn't have you in it trying to prove how insignificant my first draft of the movie that doesn't mean shit. Well the first draft of the script. Yeah but so what if the second draft has you in it? I said here's with my response I said no that wouldn't surprise me at all because I said we've sent two letters to Warner Brothers warning them that if I'm indeed in this movie they will be next to be sued. So we put Warner Brothers on notice that if this chapter is included in your movie you will get sued next. And you know people out here they don't want to step into a lawsuit. That's the only thing that kept me from being punched out in that movie and portrayed me as a villain in that frickin movie. Not just a villain way more than a villain. Yeah right. I mean that is insane it is insane because what's what's crazy to me and what's complicated about this is that there are thousands and thousands of brave men and women who have risked their lives, sacrificed their lives and this guy becomes this figurehead and where he rises above. Including me. Including you yes very important but he rises above all this and becomes this icon figure. Yes this iconic figure that you can't tarnish and then truth is irrelevant and they're willing to sacrifice people like you and the truth just for this overall image of patriotism. Yep. It's crazy what a crazy place that must have been for you. Still is. In fact do you know that this person that I told you about with the seizures the seizure disorder started right after this. I'm sure. And seizures must have been overwhelming. Doctors have said seizures can be caused by stress. So I hold Chris Kyle directly responsible for the seizure disorder also that I had to face that marijuana cured. Did you ever communicate with him face to face? Only once at the first when we first in June I didn't even know who he was and then in June of 2012 after the book came out in January we had a settlement conference where he kept saying that if he met me in person we could work it out. So at this conference we agreed I would meet him in a room the judge in the corner and just he and I like you and I are here. We sat down in the room and I looked him right in the face and I said why did you do this you never punched me. He looked me back and said yes I did. I turned to the judge I said there's no need to go any farther. I said if he's not going to admit it didn't happen face to face one on one and I challenge his courage because yeah he had the courage to go to Iraq he had the courage to shoot all these people but he didn't have the courage to tell the truth did he. What a bizarre moment that must have been sitting across from that guy. Yeah and he looked at me and said yes I did. What was the look in his face? I believe and I'm not a doctor but I've done some studying I think he was a sociopath. Sociopaths can lie and hold a straight face and they lie to the point where they believe their own lie. How bizarre is it that this iconic figure. Well and then look how he died. Yeah. Well he had no training in post-traumatic stress he's not medical and yet he's taking this Marine to a gun range who's suffering from post-traumatic stress wouldn't common sense tell you not to put a weapon in the hands of someone suffering from post-traumatic stress. Well I think every guy suffering from post-traumatic stress is different. What do they tell him to man up? Why would you put a weapon in somebody's hands who's suffering from post-traumatic stress when you have no medical training? How is Kyle qualified to treat this guy? Well I would assume it would be based on his own post-traumatic stress. But he didn't have it. He didn't have it at all. No. He was never treated for it. He may have had it. Maybe that's why he did what he did. I don't know. God what a crazy place to be. But but the for me it's like I've been accused of something I didn't do. I don't even know the guy. Never. I may have met him that night briefly. Well let me tell you something. I obviously didn't get one one millionth of a percent of the amount of hate that you did but just read. I got read off September 11th of this year. I was in New York doing this book tour and I got read off in a hotel lobby over this. What does that mean read off? A guy yelled and screamed at me in front of the entire hotel lobby. Jesus Christ. That's what I live with now and I haven't been damaged. My reputation isn't damaged over something I never did. What I was going to say is I obviously haven't experienced one one millionth of the hate that you have but I read we read this article on the air. We were trying to figure out what happened when your case was going on. And so we read this article that was I don't know it was in the New York Times. See if you could find the article detailing all the various lies. Oh that's the New Yorker magazine. New Yorker. Yeah. They did an investigation of him. But it's stunning and just reading that the the fucking amount of hate tweets and Facebook tweets. And you fucking coward and you this and you that. I'm like hey I didn't write it. Okay. I'm just trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. If someone put something like that in the New Yorker with verified claims. I mean everything's verified. Like what they were saying that he said and what actually had happened was all verified. It's very very very confusing that somehow or another this slipped through the cracks and that this became their iconic figure. Again not discounting along with you the thousands and thousands of patriotic Americans. It risked their lives and he is too. Nobody's denying he wasn't a great sniper. Nobody's denying he didn't do his job. I've never denied that from him or said that about him. He may be the best. I don't know. I'll still put my money on Carlos Hathcock though the Marine as being the best sniper. Well especially now. But but he did his job and he did it well. But why did he have to take an old veteran. That would be like me taking a World War II. Guy and throwing him under the bus. Why the fuck would he choose you. Because I had fame. He I think he got jealous that night. We were at the bar because everyone crowded around and wanted their picture with me. Wow. I don't know. He'll never be around to answer it. I'd love to know why he picked out me. I think because I'm probably the most famous maybe. Or I developed to be the most famous seal other than Dick Marchenko the rogue warrior. Great books. Yeah. Read his books. Well he's a friend of mine Richard Marchenko. When you sat down and you're talking to this guy how much time were you actually in the room with him. Oh a couple of minutes was all the minute the minute he looked me in the eye and said I sure did hit you. I turned to the judge and said we got nothing more to talk about. You didn't want. I was even offered him. I said if you will walk out to me with the press and admit you fabricated this story. I will forgive you in front of the press and we will go on with our lives. He would not do it. He did not have the courage to stand up and tell the truth. It takes a lot of courage to admit you lied about something that massive. I mean this isn't lying about speeding. Right. This is this is a massive. But what about ruining my life. Ruining my reputation. Ruining my wife's life. I lost my conspiracy theory show because of it. Really. I can't get hired right now. I can't get a job. My last job was on the Internet at or a TV because the owners Carlos Slim from Mexico from that. You know who I'm hired. You know who I work for now. The Russians Russian TV. Artis the only people that will hire me because 34 media conglomerates entered this case. To overturn me. You think they're going to hire me now explain that. Why do you think they did that. Do you think they did that because if they overturn your case if they can somehow or another because they don't want to check. But is that it or is that discrediting you. That was a gigantic hit movie. But if they if they can discredit you. It makes that movie still valuable. Not only that it stops me from running for president. Don't it if they can discredit me.