David Leduc Had a Prison Kickboxing Match in Thailand | Joe Rogan

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Dave Leduc is the current openweight Lethwei World Champion and current WLC Cruiserweight World Champion.

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Especially for people that don't train. They always want stand-up fights. True. So how did you wind up going over to Myanmar? So, okay, so just again, I got myself, I watched a vice documentary on prison fights. Okay, look at that. Oh, that's hilarious. So the prison fighting, another, that's again, for, it's for in Thailand. For those who don't know, it's sanctioned by the Thai Department of Correction. And they didn't do, I was on the last one ever in 2014, and basically, it's inmates fighting foreigners, and if the inmate wins, the sentence is reduced. Whoa! Yeah. Have you heard about this? No. Okay, prison fight, yeah, I did that. And we were, so basically we go into maximum security prison outside of Bangkok, maximum security prison, and it's like a movie, man. Like, they made a movie actually about it recently. I was on the real deal. Wow. Yeah, and I was with my Turkish friend, we go there, they take her away with phones, we got that big metal door, we go underneath, I have goosebumps talking about it, and then we go, we see 800 inmates, they're all there for either rape, gang rape, murder, drug trafficking, and they're all... And they can get their sentence reduced if they win a fight? Yeah. What if they win two fights? One guy actually, it was on Showtime, they did a documentary on Showtime, and he actually won the finale, he won against an American, and he got released. A murder? He won, he was actually, what I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, but he went, he was in a bar, and somebody talked about his girlfriend, or touched his girlfriend, he went back, he took a knife and stabbed the guy in the neck, and he got in prison for that, for murder basically. And he got out for fighting well. Fighting very well. Holy shit. Don't go to that part of the world with a squeamish stomach. So he was, but actually those guys, they do some mistakes, but they were fighting in Lupini, they were like high level guys, you know? Really? Yeah, maybe not like all champions, but they were like... They knew how to fight. A hundred fights and up. So I got a guy who was there for trafficking, met and fit him in, meth. It was like 10 years. And basically, me actually, maybe you know Anvar Bozanarov, he fights in glory, and he was actually, he fought for the belt against, he actually lost at the belt there recently, and we were, me and him at the time, he was not in glory at the time, we fought there, and only me and another Iranian won the prison, the prison fight. And what are the rules? So it's a three round fight, multi rules with gloves, with big pillows, eight ounce. So at the time, again, my goal was always to go to Myanmar. So look at that. So basically after this, I go back to Canada, and I'm like, my head is like, I don't want to be in minus four degrees Celsius, you know, minus 20 in Celsius. So I'm like, how can I go back to Asia? And so I go to, I go back, I save money, I go back, and then losing my thoughts. Basically, when I get that situation with Irina, right, where we're like, we're stressing for money, we're stressing for the future, I called up the prison fight promoter, and at the time I said, you have a fight for me, like I need to get money, I need to, you know, he said, well, I don't promote Muay Thai anymore, I promote Le Tué. You want to fight Le Tué? I'm like, yes, that's my, you know, I've always wanted to do this. So he's like, well, if you want, I have this guy, he's 2-2, T-O-O-T-O-O, he's undefeated champ in Le Tué rules, 36 fights. His name is 2-2? 2-2. Wow. That's his real name. He was undefeated in how many fights? 36 fights. That means it's all KO, right, because traditional Le Tué, it's KO only to win. We forgot to say that. Really? There's no point system. No points. No. How many rounds? Five rounds. So what happens if you go five rounds? Whoa. Even if you're fucking a dude up. That's what happened. Wow. So, yeah, so basically, I go, I said, I don't care, let's fight. I want it because you're just, it's my dream. So he's like, well, how many fights you have? Well, I have 10 Muay Thai fights. Well, Muay Thai, well, he's, you know, 50 fights in Le Tué, and you have 10 fights in Muay Thai. Well, let me do something. He lied on my record. He said, I have 40 fights. Okay. And then I go over there. I'm like, I don't care because my coach, Sifu Patrick, and I, we were always, like, you know, eye gouging and like practicing. That's the mentality of it, like, aggressive, like, fish hooking in the clinch or in the grab. Can you do that in lead way? No. No. But, I mean, you can probably, fish hook if, probably. Probably? I mean, they don't care, really. Really? Yeah. But as long as, you know, I pokes, you know. Right. So anyway, so I was always ready for that. I wanted that, that aggressive fights. So I go through the fight and some kind of energy comes in my body. I don't know. I don't believe in that stuff, but like, I just disfigured him. Like, he didn't touch me much. I was using my push kick to the ties. I was keeping my distance and then I went inside. I used my elbows and I, like, if you see the fight, it's, it was really puffed up. Like, it was pretty cool. And then that was my first fight and the crowd, like, they were throwing bottles a little bit. Why were they throwing bottles? Because he's their champion. Yeah. But then they quickly saw that I did my Likamun, which is the challenge gesture, you know, very old challenge gesture. And they loved it. So they started... How does that work? So basically, before the fight, you put your arm like this and you... So explain to people that are just listening. You put one arm under your armpit. So yeah, for those at home, so you put your left arm under your armpit and the other arm in the air and you hit with your cupped hand on the triangle shaped of your elbow and you three times, that actually gives me more goosebumps before... Because that's why I triggered that to the fight, right? And this is a very old gesture from Myanmar, from the Burmese army back in the days when they were in the trenches and they were fighting enemies. You challenge with honor, encourage your opponents and you do that. That simulates the wing of an eagle. So they saw you do that and they got fired up because you understand the rituals. Yes, because some of the times guys were coming from other disciplines, other countries and they were putting their white crew, they were doing a bunch of other things, you know? I embraced the culture. Oh, okay. Yeah, so they liked it. It's okay. Because at first, they basically wanted another tall white dude to get fucked by their guys. Sure. I mean, I was sent there to lose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.