Bob Lazar Says UFO was an Archaeological Finding | Joe Rogan

Now I'm not in, believe it or not, I'm not into UFOs, I don't follow stories or, you know. Even after your experiences? No, I'm fascinated with the technology and it really, it irks me like every night I go to sleep that, you know, I don't... that it was my own doing, essentially, that prevented me from continuing on in the project. I mean, to be on that cutting edge of technology is so alluring to me. But, you know, by the same token, I don't really care that there's aliens or where they come from. I mean, the prize is the technology and that's what I'm fascinated by. So I don't listen to UFO stories and that sort of thing. But George Knapp is, I mean, he's the guy that has the context and tries to thread everything together. And what he recently told me is he found, I don't know, it was either documentation or people that he spoke to, it's that this, the existence of this project, the project that I was on, it's something that they seem to take out every eight or ten years. So that's a very specific memo and this is actually, this is the first time I'll be very clear with people about it. It's a big topic of conversation right now. It's called the Wilson Memo. You can look it up. Admiral Wilson met with a scientist who's actually, was featured in one of my films. Everybody has been debating whether or not this document of a conversation with a sitting admiral at the time is a real document. It's an actual conversation that happened and this document is where everybody wants to know the world is going crazy right now in the UFO world. I'll tell you straight up right now, I'm in the position to know and it is a real document that it is real. So the conversation you read in that, that conversation was had. I can't attest to every... You're not being very clear. Sure. Please. No problem. So there was a document that is circulating right now that is really big. It's going around everywhere. People are asking and wondering... What is this document? It's called the Wilson Memo is how you can find it online or the Wilson leak. There it is. Jimmy's got it. The Wilson Memorandum. Use of human phones. No, no, no, no, no. No, that's not it. Okay, okay. So Admiral Wilson meets with this scientist and they have this discussion oddly enough at special projects at EG&G. And if I remember the document is from 2001. I'm telling everybody right now it's real and we'll see my history is pretty good with like saying if something is real or not, right? So here we go. The document comes out. They meet at EG&G special projects. In 1989, they stumble into a problem. This happens. They put the technology away and then they bring it back out and see if material science has caught up and if they can make any progress. So this document kind of talks about this process. The big thing I get from it and a lot of it's vindicating to Bob. And one of the things it's vindicating besides the EG&G thing is that private industry. So this guy's an Admiral and he says, I found out about your SAP, your special access program. I need to know about it. And he's going to a private part of industry and he is denied access. And he says, I should be running this program and they were able to deny him access. So I think the takeaway here is check it out. I'm telling you that that is an actual correct. That is a leak. Now, everything said in that document. I don't know. What are you talking about? What is said in that document specifically? It's between a scientist and an Admiral that are sitting and they're having a meeting. And they're talking about the search for the UFO subject, the search to get special access program, access to all of these different things like reverse engineering programs. So in this document, they talk about it. I believe that this document, the person that went was employed by Robert Bigelow, you know, one of the guys that has a couple of orbiting satellites and all that stuff. He's the guy who owns Skinwalker Ranch. No, he's not. He was the guy that owns Skinwalker. He used to own it. Okay. Yeah, he used to own it. There's a new owner and I interviewed him for my other film, but there's a new owner and you'll be hearing a lot more about that soon. But like, it'll just, there's stuff that you'll be hearing about Skinwalker Ranch soon because there's a new owner. Anyway, the whole point of this, you know, insertion here is just that that document kind of validates a lot of this idea Bob just said that they make a little progress, then they can't go anywhere. They tuck it away and then they bring it back out, you know, 10 years later and start working on it. What is the limiting factor? I think Bob should speak on this, but it's the material science. Yeah, it's really where physics is. So I can see them doing that. I mean, I didn't have any information on that, but I think what, you know, George uncovered is probably accurate that, you know, we try and do what we can and once we reach a roadblock on, we really can't figure it out. It's just friggin wait, put the thing away, wait for science to catch up and, you know, a decade later, let's take the project out again and see, all right, now where can we go? But there's got to be someone who remains informed, right? Oh, yeah. So you've got your scientists like you and Barry, you got your people that you compartmentalize, you got these people working on this project. Yeah, there has to be some people that know everything. You've got security and then someone's going to be on the outside saying, hey, we need people to guard this building. Don't let anybody in for 10 years. I think a lot of that is private industry and I think that's how they keep it. Yeah, I think that's how they litter because the government is just so leaky. I think that's kind of what they're doing. That's what the document kind of proves. You just articulated that it is in control of private industry. What private industry? Some aerospace company, something? I don't know. The guy, the Admiral wouldn't name it in the car in the conversation. Right. So they still have these things supposedly? I would guess. I mean, I don't have any information on how. Have you ever asked anyone that has any inkling of any idea of where they got them or how they got them? No, but something must have been said to me from Barry. But it was just too long ago and I can't quite remember what was said, but it just left a seed in my mind. I think at least one of them was part of an archaeological dig. So it's old. At least one of them is old. I don't know if it was the one I worked on, but I remember something to do with an archaeological dig. Whoa. So that means it's not just old, it's ancient. That'd be a great Steven Spielberg movie. Yeah. As all of it would. Yeah, that showed me out when he said that for the first time. Yeah. That's a freak out right there. Just a couple of dudes with some brushes looking for a Tyrannosaurus Rex bone and they hit metal. And when did they find it? You know, that they have nine of them. Well, and how could we have not heard about that? What about the guys with the brushes? How could you uncover something like that? Well, Joe's newspaper at home does. I mean, they said it on that first day. Oh, you mean the Roswell Dooley record. Yeah, the one you told me. Yeah. And then you cover, what is this here, Jamie? This is the document, but I had to do some digging to find it. Yes. It's just kind of, yeah, so this is where they meet at E.G. and G. And this is Admiral Wilson. And there's a lot more coming out. Now I want to be clear, George didn't put this out. He didn't leak this out to anybody. This is, I can tell you how I- Who recorded this conversation? So this was an employee of, at the time, Robert Bigelow. And this is in 2002? Right. Do you remember when he had that government contract called OSAP, the World All Knows About Now? He had NIDS, it studied the ranch. So that 22 million, everybody is saying it was for ATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. The $22 million was for OSAP that was pushed through through Congress, three congressmen, right, an astronaut. It was pushed through. And that's what that $22 million, by the way, they spend more money on Viagra every year than they do studying UFOs, if it was just this program, which I think is funny. They probably make a lot more money from Viagra than they do from UFOs too. Well, you never know how it feeds into population. But anyway, this program, this is what was the mother program. So it got the $22 million. And really, it was to study Skinwalker Ranch, oddly enough, that $22 million all was inspired by the phenomenon they were seeing at Skinwalker Ranch. Because the scientists, they're seeing vehicles come through like a space in the sky. Yeah, we went there. I went there with Duncan. We interviewed a bunch of people that seemed full of shit, but a couple that didn't. It was very, very interesting. Totally. And if you look, I spent a lot of time in the area, I'm not talking about those stories. I'm saying there were scientists hired by the government, right, through Bigelow to study the ranch because they thought it was important. And, you know, whatever, whatever. The point is that $22 million was to study that. Then we have ATIP, which is like an auxiliary kind of program of military settings, like Commander Freiburg and that sort of thing. And this document is just one of those things that has now come forward that through the Bigelow studies, it was government funded, and then it was personally funded and then government funded. It's just one of those things that kind of shakes you because you got this military guy who can't get access because of the private industry that's holding these non-terrestrial materials. They can't study it. So that's the claim right now. Give it some time. Let people dig more into this. It's fascinating, man.