Best of the Week - December 1, 2019 - Joe Rogan Experience

I heard that if you can get an inland sea salt it's better because it's not like, it doesn't have as many potential toxins that you're going to find in like ocean sea salt. Mercury, thysanosines. Yeah, that's what the idea about Himalayan sea salt is, right? Because there's no real fucking sea in the Himalayan. Is it called Himalayan sea salt or am I just making that up or is it Himalayan salt? I think it's sea salt, right? Yeah. The pink Himalayan sea salt? Yeah. But how was it sea salt? Explain that. How does that work? Was it an older sea? I wonder if that's what it is and it's just like these big salt. Oh it is just salt? Okay. Oh it's just Himalayan salt? No? It both comes up. Oh yeah, I think I've heard it. Like an old sea that's no longer there and they just have the big salt deposits. Right, like that's what a lot of Montana is the great western inland sea, you know, like millions of years ago. Like they find seashells in Montana. So it's just fucking bonkers. Yeah, it's crazy. I was in Utah earlier in the year and I can't remember where we were, just out of Salt Lake and apparently that used to be underwater too and like they'll find like shark teeth and stuff like that around there. Like you're up on this like trail and they're like there's no water in sight. Think about that next time you see some asshole that would spend $10 million on a house on the beach. Yeah. Like what makes you think that's going to stay there, man? It's going to pay for that eventually. Yeah, that is not going to be here. Something's going to be different in the future. It's always been that way. Like there's no permanent like place where the water is or the water isn't. Yeah, it is funny how we think of that though where it's like we see the map now and we're like, oh, okay, this is just how it is. And so maybe not. Well, look at Pangea, you know, things change pretty goddamn radically. What's up, Jamie? I don't know the accuracy of this, but I just found this. Okay. Himalayan sea salt is a gourmet salt with a slightly misleading name. It doesn't come from the Himalayan mountains. Oh Jesus. And it doesn't come from a sea. These motherfuckers. However, it's definitely a sea salt. So it's not a total misnomer. Himalayan salt actually refers to exclusively to Pakistani rock salt. Huh. They used to be sea salt hundreds of millions of years ago. So why don't we call it Pakistan? If I was Pakistani, I'd be pissed. I'd be pissed. Yeah. Like these motherfuckers are stealing our shine. You forget Jesus, you gay people. No. Do you think that's what he said? That's exactly what he said. Let me hear that again. Damn. That's a second. You know what? Pause for a second. I'm going to be honest. You thought that. I'm going to be honest. I did a little bit. I was like, wait, no. Because he lines it up with what's wrong with you America. What's wrong with you people? Here's the problem. Here's the problem. He said, forget pretty clear. That's what fucked me up. You forget. You forget. Right. But a guy like that who barely speaks. You believe in gay Jesus. Is that really what he said? Yeah. Play that shit again, bro. Oh no. Cut it off, Jamie. What happened to you, USA? Okay. What happened to you? Hold on. What's going on? You forget for the best of the best. Forget. Okay. You forget the best USA. You forget. You forget the best in the world. Forget. Go ahead. As of the war. The name is Jesus guy. What happened to you? What happened to you? What happened? What come? Go back for you to go. Go for Jesus. No forget Jesus. No. Not forget Jesus. No. No. No. No. No. Not forget Jesus, people. Maybe, but maybe not forget Jesus. It's like what happened to you, not forget Jesus. It wasn't like there was some gay thing that was going on that he was commenting on. No, I know. But he's so bad at English. He's so bad. It easily could be don't forget Jesus. He said, go for Jesus. Don't forget Jesus. The only problem is he goes, what's wrong with you, USA? What's wrong with you? You forget the number one Jesus. What's wrong with you? Go back. Go back. Don't forget Jesus. Don't forget Jesus. Maybe it's don't forget Jesus. But he says don't forget, right? One more time. Because it doesn't make sense. He's breaking this down. First of all, pause for a second. You've got to remember he just got hit in the head. A gang at times. Right? I mean, what fight was this? Do we remember? And look, he's got John 3 16 or 3 18 on a bandana around his head. He's got a Bible quote on his fucking head. Go for Jesus, not for gay Jesus, people. Go for Jesus, not forget Jesus. Yeah, not forget. You forget Jesus. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense period. Yeah, for him to say not for gay Jesus. That doesn't make sense. No, it's not gay. No, no, there's no rumors. Anyway, don't forget Jesus. We might have just started a rumor about Jesus being gay. Imagine if we were the first ones after all these years, like, this is what I heard about Jesus. And then it becomes like everybody's talking about it. Like, yo, I was telling you, there was a scroll. He really was gay. Shut broke it down, shut shop down. Jesus was gay. Of course, he loves everybody. Let's look at two randomized controlled trials. See, these are not observational studies. The first found that increasing red meat consumption by replacing carbohydrates in the diet of individuals without anemia actually reduced markers of inflammation. Sorry, reducing replacing what? Sorry, carbohydrates. Yeah. That's what you said. Sorry. So Jamie, if you want to pull this. I mean, these are all on the website, cresser.co. Game changers. But that study is called increased lean red meat intake does not elevate markers of oxidative stress and inflammation in humans. I believe the study exists. I mean, that doesn't. So these are RCTs randomized. So they're actually controlling it instead of just looking at observational data, which is subject to healthy user bias. These are two RCTs. So that's one study. And then there's another one, another RCT in women with anemia inflammation markers on a diet high in red meat were not significantly different from those on a diet high in oily fish. And then there are also numerous studies of paleo diets, which contain meat and other types of animal protein and show that they decrease markers of inflammation, including CRP. These randomized controlled trials showing reductions in interleukin six and also in tumor necrosis factor alpha in these diets. So all of this suggests it's not the meat. It's what you eat with the meat that makes the difference. We have studies of chlorophyll eating chlorophyll rich green vegetables decreases the formation of n nitroso compounds with meat. We have lots of studies showing that when you eat plants along with the meat, then you don't see the effects that you might see if you're just eating a standard American diet. I agree. So it offsets like some, uh, so if an animal foods creates oxidative stress, you have it with the plant foods and that would have the antioxidants and that would offset it. Is that basically? It's a little more complicated than that. Yeah, I think it is more complicated than that. But as I've always, as I said last time, and as I've always argued, I'm not a proponent of the carnivore diet. I'm not a low carb guy. I'm not a keto guy. I'm my fundamental argument is just that the optimal human diet contains both plant and animal foods. And this focus on individual food components or macronutrients like protein or fat or carbohydrate, we've gotten too much. It's called nutritionism. It's just focusing on these individual elements and ignoring the overall pattern of diet quality, which is the most important thing. And that's what a lot of the more recent studies are showing. When you look at the diet pattern and the diet quality on its, you know, overall, that's what actually makes a difference in terms of health and lifespan. Not how much of this fat, how much of that fat, whether there's, you know, red meat or white meat or fish or whatever, it's the pattern. Should we talk about like some conspiracy theories or something? Well, you have some. Well, you didn't kill himself. I don't think he did. Nope. Maybe, maybe this. What are the odds that he did? If you had a bet. If I was in Vegas. If I want to give you odds like, hey, the odds he did. Come on, Matt. 100 bucks. 10 percent. 10 percent is where I've got it. I don't want to say it's like zero, but I think it's like 10 percent. I think it's low. So would you plunk down 100 bucks on 10 to one odds that he did kill himself? No. The opposite. I would do the opposite. Yeah, probably. Yeah. You'd want more than 10 to one that he did kill himself. No, no, no. I think there's only a 10 percent chance he killed himself. Right. Okay. Yeah. I'm fucking with these numbers here. I'm making it confusing. I don't know how you're, however you're converting it to odds, it's falling apart. I get it. Sorry. I get it. It doesn't seem likely. It would go no way though. It doesn't seem likely. No. That's just crazy that you could still do that. Did you see the Ford electric car? Abstain Suicide Guard say they're scapegoats for a broken system. Well that's a defense. The defense is just we were incompetent, not we killed him. Dude, who knows? That's... Can you imagine if there's weird shit going on in our country right now? What's going on behind the scenes, man? What's going on behind the scenes is somebody could sneak somebody in to kill somebody, if that's what happened. What's going on? Oh, that's an inside person. They don't have to sneak somebody in. That person's audience. The cameras are off, bro. That's crazy. Fuck. The cameras were off. The cameras were off. Whoops, sorry. Yeah. That's not going to happen. I'm not going to be on. Bro, I have cameras at my house. They're never fucking off. Come on. When the cameras are off, too, I've heard repeated a few times, but not more recently, that there was screaming being heard from his cell, that someone heard screaming. Yeah. That's not being repeated now, so. Dude. Bro, we live in a fucking crazy world. Yeah, that's dark. I don't know. Hi. You're right. It's just that's probably the biggest public conspiracy theory that most people believe in. Do you think most people believe it was a hit? I would say most people. When you get there, did you feel like everything's right? Like, when you finally got to your place and you finally started, when you walked 60 miles out there and started living, did you finally feel like, I'm in my spot. This is where I'm supposed to be. Oh, yeah. Like, you knew. I had literally been planning to do exactly that in the Brooks Range for seven years. Like, that's what I was doing every day was preparing to do that. Wow. But what was it about it that was so compelling? Like, why was that a thing that you were so drawn to? Because when I was living in the woods before that, when I was in the teepee in Vermont, every single day I'd wake up with a smile on my face. I'd just be excited what was going on. Get up, look out, see the fog coming up off the water on the lake. You know, oh, wow, there's something over there. There's a loon, whatever it is. I was just excited about what was going on out there. And I just felt really connected to it. And there are a lot of really positive aspects to being out in the woods. I mean, just the physical part. Like, I like to stay in shape. I like to be active and you can't help but be active out there. You can't help but stay in shape. I like the diet. I mean, once I started eating animals, I killed myself and food that I collected myself, you know, plant food too. It was, that was the best food I ever ate in my life. When I ate that first moose, I killed. I mean, I never had anything better. That's a crazy way to live, man. It's interesting because most people would tell you, hey, you got to get a job. You got to be a normal person. You can't just go out there and live. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's what I told them. I said, I'm going to make a career out of this. Now, I didn't know exactly how it was going to play out, but I was always confident that it was a valuable thing to do and that it would not only benefit me, but in the long run that I would be able to share this with people and that it would pay off. And it did. It just took time.