#1976 - James Fox

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Okay.

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Hello, James.

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Hello.

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Good to see you, my man.

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Thank you so much for having me on.

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Oh, my pleasure.

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The moment I saw that documentary, I was like, wow.

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Let me just be honest, off the bat.

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I loved your first documentary, but when someone says there's a documentary

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about a crashed

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UFO and it happened in Brazil, I'm always like, man, people tell stories, you

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know?

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I'm like, maybe it was one of those.

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Like, I didn't think too much of it.

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When I hear stories, even Roswell, I always go, man, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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It's so hard to know.

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1947, you know, I think some shenanigans were going on, but what was it really?

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And how much of this is just people tell stories and those stories grow and

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change over the

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years and, you know, almost like the story becomes their real memory after a

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while because

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they've been doing it for, you know, so many, so many years.

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But then this one, this one, just right away, the way you captured all the

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information and

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the evidence and the eyewitness accounts, the photographs that people got, the

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depictions

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of the actual being, the fact that there was live beings, this is a real, and

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everyone that

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didn't even know each other having these, like, really similar stories about

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what they

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saw.

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And when people got a hold of the wreckage, like, when you first started making

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this documentary,

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did you have any apprehension?

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Like, oh, this one, how do I sell a documentary on a crashed UFO?

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Like, what's the best way to put this together?

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Because that's part of the art of what you do, right?

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You were skeptical?

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Let me tell you how skeptical I was.

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Okay?

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So I was making my second documentary on UFOs in the late 90s.

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I just finished a documentary called UFOs, 50 Years of Denial.

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I started on my second film.

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It was 1999, and I partnered up with a couple of guys.

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Boris Zuboff has been a partner.

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I'm still working with him today.

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And this guy, Tim Coleman, who's a British reporter.

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And we, like, mapping out the film concept, like, hey, we should cover this

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case, and we

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should do that.

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And he's like, hey, mate, we got to do this amazing UFO crash in Brazil with

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these aliens.

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We're walking around the town.

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And I looked at the guy, and I thought, I think I picked the wrong partner.

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This guy's fucking batshit crazy.

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And literally, I dismissed it on the spot, and I refused to even read one word

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about it.

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I said, there's no way in hell that that happened, and the whole world doesn't

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know about it.

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Right.

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So I have to remind your audience, I was making my second documentary.

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On UFOs.

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On UFOs.

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And I dismissed it.

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Like this, like, how fast can you say howdy doody?

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It just always seems like if someone's telling you about something like that,

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like, you would

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have heard about it.

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Absolutely.

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I can't tell you, Joe, how quickly I dismissed it.

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And I didn't look into it until 2011.

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Okay?

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So here's what happened.

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I'm going to, I get invited by this guy, A.J.

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Javard, to a place called Peru Ibi in Brazil.

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And I'm speaking at a conference about a film I did called I Know What I Saw.

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And this guy calls me, Jeff Sagansky, who's very high up on the food chain in

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the entertainment

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industry.

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He's been kind of like my mentor and opening doors for me over the years.

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And I've asked him over a period of time, like, why are you so kind to me?

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He's a very wealthy guy in New York.

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And he goes, you know, Jackie Gleason told me one time that these things were

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real.

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Don't listen to anybody else.

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I know for a fact.

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And so when I saw you as an independent, struggling young filmmaker, I always

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wanted to lend a

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helping hand.

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And by the way, you're going to Brazil.

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You've got to look into that Varginha case.

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And I thought, oh, God, not this again.

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Right?

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Swear to God.

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So I was like, well, I had a lot of respect for Jeff Sagansky.

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I mean, you can look him up.

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The guy's very famous.

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I mean, very, he's big time.

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And I said, oh, yeah, sure, Jeff, I'll look into that for you while I'm in

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Brazil.

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And just to be nice, right?

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But in the back of my mind, I was like, I'm not wasting one second on that

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stupid case.

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Seriously, I'm telling you honest to God truth.

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And it was 2011.

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So I go to Brazil with no intention of looking into it.

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Zero.

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Okay?

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I wasn't even going to ask one question.

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And it just so happens that nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman,

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rest in peace,

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and he's there at the conference.

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And somehow the case gets brought up.

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It wasn't about that case, but it gets brought up.

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And he's like, oh, yeah, I was in Brazil when that went down.

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And he's one of the smarter guys.

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Stanton Friedman?

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Yeah.

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He is not an idiot.

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I mean, he's one of the reasons why him and Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall,

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one of the reasons why we're even talking about Roswell.

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And he's like, oh, yeah, I was here when that happened.

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I met some of the witnesses.

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So then that kind of piqued my interest.

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I was like, oh, okay.

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Well, God, Stanton, I can't completely dismiss coming from Stanton.

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Then I met a couple of people at the conference.

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So I thought, okay, well, I piqued my interest.

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I've got to be honest with you.

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And that's how it all started.

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And that was like in 2011.

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And I was going to include a segment of it in the phenomenon.

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The interview with Stanton, did you get that?

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I got that in 2013 in Brazil.

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Because he died when?

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He died like a couple of years ago.

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He died in the airport.

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You know what he told me?

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He's like, James, I'm retiring.

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I can't do this anymore.

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I live in Canada in this remote spot.

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There are no direct flights.

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And I'm always running in the airports trying to get my connecting flight.

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And I just, I can't do it anymore.

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And then he retired for like a year or so.

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And then he just, he had to get back at it.

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And he died in the airport running for a connecting flight.

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Oh, he had a heart attack?

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He had a heart attack.

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Oh, no.

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That's exactly what he predicted.

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God damn it.

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I know, right?

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And I just like.

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He was a fascinating guy because he was an outspoken critic of Lazar.

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And I always wanted to get the two of them together.

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I was like, I wanted to see because one of the things that the critics of Lazar

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always bring up is his education at MIT.

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I can explain that to you off air in the way that he explained it to me.

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And it might make sense.

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But I think that it's hard to dismiss that he worked at that lab.

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Los Alamos Labs had him on their list of people that worked there.

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Like he was on the, whatever that thing is that they have with all the list of

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employees.

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He was in it.

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Like he worked there.

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He knew all the people that worked there.

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He knew how it was set up.

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When they took him there, he knew the security guys.

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He knew the machines that they used to, they had some sort of a scanner that

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measured the length of your digits exactly.

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So you put your hand on this thing and he talked about it.

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And everybody was like, what?

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That doesn't even exist.

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And then years later, people got photographs of this thing.

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George Knapp said he went through that Los Alamos laboratory like just right

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through.

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Let me tell you, this is something that just came in yesterday that I can for

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the first time ever talk about in full detail.

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I've talked about on, I did a couple of podcasts where I gave, I don't know, in

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1993, 94, I was working on my first film.

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I talked about it earlier.

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It's called UFOs.

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It's so 90s, but whatever.

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UFOs, 50 years of denial.

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It's like 80 years of denial now.

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And I was interviewing this guy out at Area 50.

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He lived on the outskirts of the base in a place near the Little Ailey Inn in

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Rachel, Nevada.

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And Chuck, this guy's name is Chuck Clark, and he had found all these, and the

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relevance of what I'm telling you will come to light in a second here.

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He'd found all these vantage points on the mountaintops that he could spy on

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the base down below with high-powered telescopes with cameras.

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And he was taking photographs of exotic airplanes coming out of the hangers and

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stuff like that.

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He wrote a book called, like, UFO, Area 51 Handbook and Guide or something.

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He was an amateur astronomer.

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He was, and he had a couple of really cool sightings out at Area 51 that were

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really, like, he saw these, it's in my movie, he saw these lights doing things

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that they shouldn't be doing, right?

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Like traversing and then stopping and then taking off really fast.

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So anyway, so I'm covering his story, because I was intrigued.

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I mean, in the early 90s, the Bob Lazar thing was everywhere.

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I was making a doc on UFOs, so I was kind of looking into it.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't just, like, categorically believe it, but I'll look into it.

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So I was looking into it.

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And I'm going back and forth out there for many times.

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And then one day, I get a phone call from Chuck Clark.

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And I'm back at home in Northern California, and this is kind of a long way

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away.

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And he goes, James, I got something you need to see.

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I said, okay, well, what is it?

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I can't tell you.

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But your jaw's going to hit the floor when you see it.

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I was like, that good?

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He goes, oh, yeah, that good.

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I said, I'm canceling all my plans, jumped in my car, and I drove straight

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through to Rachel, Nevada.

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I get to his house.

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This must have been, I'm going to guesstimate 95, 94, 95.

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Get to his house, and he's got a double wide right near the little alien.

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And he pops in this VHS tape.

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And it was like two guys on the quintessential road trip just to Area 51.

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You know, the surrounding areas, Rachel and the extraterrestrial Lonely Highway,

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and they're

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goofing off the alien, taking videos of each other.

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Just the typical road trip out to Area 51, right?

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Blair Witch Project.

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Totally.

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And then they're goofing off next to the photographs of the alien in the crash

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disc,

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and then they're inside the little alien, and I'm like, okay, where's this

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going?

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And all of a sudden, and I saw this with my own eyes.

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All of a sudden, the car's parked, and it's parked out by the black mailbox in

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the desert, and it's dusk.

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The camera is on the armrest between the two seats, and it's slightly cocked,

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like it's not level.

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And it's filming the dashboard and the screen, the windscreen, windshield.

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And there's two guys in there sounding like, you can't see them, sounding like

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they're trying

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to crawl under the seats.

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I mean, they're freaking out.

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And then one of them goes, it's over the top of us.

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It's over the top of us.

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I'm like, damn, what is this video?

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Like, what am I, you know?

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Then all of a sudden, the car lights up on the inside, but the source of light

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is above

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it.

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Like, if you can imagine, I've never seen anything like this.

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If you could put a pendulum with a light source above a vehicle, like above the

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car, like

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this, but very slow and fluid motion, like rocking back and forth, the shadows

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and the lights

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on the inside of the car are doing this really eerily.

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You'd never seen anything like it.

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I'm looking like, my God, what is going on?

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And they're very scared.

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And one kid, who's the younger of the two, is like, I'm getting out.

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I'm getting out of the car.

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I'm staying in the car.

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It's over the top, but stay in the fucking car.

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He goes, no, I'm getting out.

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And he gets out and he videotapes a disc that was so low, you could have hit it

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with a rock.

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And I'm looking at this thing and I'm like, that's what all the witnesses have

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tried to

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describe.

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And that's like, if you could imagine the skin on the craft glowing like

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phosphorus on

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a beach, that's what it looked like.

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Like the skin was alive and it had like, um, like a yellowy orange color to it.

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But you could clearly see it was a disc.

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I mean, it was not an orb.

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It was a disc.

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But the metal lit up like it was alive.

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I'd never seen anything like it.

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And it, and it just wobbled like it was unstable, like doing this.

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And the camera guy goes, oh my God.

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And then something about the batteries and then boom, it shuts off.

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I looked over at Chuck Clark.

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I said, this is the video everyone's been waiting for.

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Unbelievable.

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How do you know this is real?

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Because every, all my BS meters are going off right now.

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Fair enough.

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I get it.

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Fair enough.

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I saw this video with my own eyes.

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Of course.

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It's a video though.

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It's a video for sure.

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No question about it.

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And you know they make fake videos.

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Absolutely.

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It was 1995 and they could have, but why wouldn't?

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1995 is harder.

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Yeah.

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But, but why?

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It's never been released to the public.

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Why would you create a fake video?

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What year did you see it?

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I saw it like 95.

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And so it's out there somewhere.

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No, it's not.

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It's Chuck Clark's got a copy of it.

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The story continues.

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No, but I mean it, someone has.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh, absolutely.

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I mean, in fact, if, if those two boys that, that shot it are out there, please

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come forward.

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Like, please.

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How come no one's acquired this?

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So, so I, I said to Chuck, oh my God, this is great.

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I can use this in my, in my movie.

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Right.

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Great.

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He goes, oh no, no, no, they're terrified.

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I said, well, look, just put me in touch with the guys.

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You don't have to like give.

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Well, wait a minute.

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They're terrified, but they give it to a guy who lives in a trailer.

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Hey, I'm just telling you.

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Do you know what I'm saying now?

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Absolutely.

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Hey, I'm really terrified.

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I don't want this getting out, but I'm going to give it to you.

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I get it.

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Guy who lives in a trailer.

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I get it.

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What does this guy do for a living?

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He's a, he was a former military guy and he's, he's retired, but just a retired

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military guy.

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This guy's a fed.

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So that, that, he doesn't even live there.

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But he probably put on some fucking overalls to hang out with you.

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The story gets better.

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Is his name Ray Epps?

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Oh, I, I know Joe.

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I, believe me, I get it.

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But the story gets better.

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Okay.

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Sit tight.

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Okay.

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Because I went on a couple of podcasts and I said, screw it.

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I don't care anymore.

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I saw this video.

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I'm going to start talking about it.

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Chuck Clark said, if you ask me again after like 10 years or 12 years, I'm

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never talking

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to you again.

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So I was like, I, of course, asked him again.

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I said, I'll give you 30 grand for the video and he's not talking to me.

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So I went on like a concrete podcast and I went on this guy, Julian Dorian's

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podcast.

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And I went on a bunch of other podcasts and I gave the whole story.

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Let's let somebody else pick up the ball and run with it.

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I'm just telling you what I saw.

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Okay.

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I get a, I get contacted a couple of years ago by a, by a guy who goes, I saw

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that video

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too.

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Then another guy contacts me and he goes, he goes, I got, I'm a private

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investigator.

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I find people.

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I said, well, his name's Chuck Clark.

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Go, go to it.

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So he finds him right at that time.

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I'm going on the impulsive podcast with, with Logan Paul.

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And I tell Logan Paul the story and he has exactly the same response.

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What do you have?

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And I don't blame you.

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Okay.

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I'm not here to convince anybody of anything.

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I'm just telling you what I saw.

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It was very impressive.

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What I saw very impressive.

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If it was a fake, my God, that was well done.

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But I mean, he should be making movies with Spielberg.

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So anyway, what is this challenge name?

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Who has this again?

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Chuck Clark.

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Chuck.

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What are you doing?

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Chuck.

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Look, well, let me finish.

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So Logan Paul, he's like, I want to, I want to go to this guy's house.

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I said, I got the guy.

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He's got the information.

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Logan's like, this is all behind the scenes.

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So Logan Paul takes, I put him in touch with this guy and this guy lives in the

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middle of

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nowhere.

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I mean, it was like Logan Paul takes a Mercedes with a bunch of guys and $100,000

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in cash,

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a big brick.

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And he goes out to this guy's house in the middle of the desert.

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And Logan calls me in the middle of nowhere.

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And he's like, you sure your contact's legit, dude?

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My phone doesn't work.

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I'm in the middle of nowhere.

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I got $100,000 cash in my pocket.

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I can't find this guy.

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I said, no, I'm sure he's good, you know?

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And so Logan goes in there and meets Chuck Clark.

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And Chuck Clark's like, yeah, I got the tape right here.

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And so he says, I'll give you $100,000 for it.

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And the guy says, no way.

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And so Logan Paul, I'm going to reveal this for the first time, Logan Paul has

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got a button

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camera on his dress, on his clothes.

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And so Logan Paul's like, all right, well, this guy doesn't want to, you know,

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he's going

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to die with it.

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So let's get, you know, let's get this thing on camera.

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So Logan's like, well, let me see it at least.

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So Logan like looks at it with this thing and, oh, could you show it to me

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again?

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Gets another angle, gets another angle.

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And, uh, and then he leaves.

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So Logan's like, I don't know if I want to go public.

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I mean, I, I don't really own the video.

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I, I don't know.

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I, it seems like a bit of a gray zone.

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So I said, look, you know, this is a story that might be of interest to Bob

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Lazar, because

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maybe Bob Lazar could, should see this video and he could make a determination.

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I'm just saying, or maybe George Knapp or Jeremy Corbell might be interested.

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This is not my domain.

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I'm not a Bob Lazar big guy.

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I don't know enough about Bob Lazar.

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I met Bob Lazar in the early nineties.

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And he told me, I came up to him at a conference and I said, Hey, thank you for

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coming forward.

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And he said, I didn't have a choice.

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That was my only, I don't know anything about the case.

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I know, you know, way more than I do about the case, but I'm just saying, I'm

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just putting

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this out there.

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How do I know more about the case than you?

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You literally make documentaries on UFOs.

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I do, but I, I, I mean, you got one person's account and it's fascinating.

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And I believe that Lazar believes what he's saying, but I've talked to George Knapp

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about

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this.

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And George said the same thing.

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I said, maybe, I mean, just maybe.

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And I'm not out here attacking the czar or corporate, nobody else.

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I'm just saying maybe he was used as a disinformation plant that seeds some

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real information and

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some bogus information just to kind of test the waters and the reaction to the

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public.

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I don't know.

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Most certainly that's possible.

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Yeah.

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I really, certainly that's possible.

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Not my domain.

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It's also, I would imagine if you're going to give people access to classified

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information

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like that, you'd be very careful and you would probably add in some stuff that's

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not true.

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So it doesn't matter whether or not, as long as like they have a bunch of stuff

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that's

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absolutely provable nonsense on top of the stuff that's probably real, then

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they get

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discredited.

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Yes.

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Which, you know, I mean, look, there's a lot of weird stuff about the Bob Lazar

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story,

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a lot of weird stuff about it.

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And the, the, the, the one that sticks in my mind, and I know this probably

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shouldn't

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because it's possible to do, is that it's been consistent.

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His story has been absolutely consistent since the late 1980s.

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Now that's possible to develop a narrative.

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And if your discipline is obviously very intelligent, you could just like craft

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the longest con the

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world has ever known and make no money from it and turn your life upside down

19:01

and have the

19:02

feds search your property, which they did.

19:05

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

19:06

It doesn't make a lot of sense if they thought that he really was in possession

19:11

of element

19:12

115 and that there really is a stable version of this element that we

19:18

discovered in a particle

19:20

collider.

19:20

We, we accurately, they predicted it and then proved it to be real in a

19:25

particle collider.

19:26

But that wasn't until like the, the 2000s.

19:29

When was it like when they, I want to say, was it like 2011 when they

19:34

officially discovered

19:36

particle 115 or element 115?

19:39

But this element he said was stable wherever these beings are from and they use

19:45

it to propel

19:46

their craft through a means of bypassing normal propulsion systems with some

19:52

insanely sophisticated method where they can pick points in space.

19:58

And they essentially just instantaneously traverse these points in space.

20:02

I brought a photograph with me.

20:05

Of course, I left it in the other room, but I'll bring it out at some point.

20:08

And it was a guy named James Kibble.

20:11

He's Australian and it's about 19, it's April 1966.

20:16

And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because I did a segment on a landing

20:23

case that happened

20:24

at Westall in 1966, which is a suburb, Westall primary school, which is a suburb

20:29

of Melbourne.

20:30

Shane Ryan did a film on it.

20:32

I just covered a section of it in the phenomenon.

20:36

And during my time in Australia, I'd heard about this guy, Jim Kibble, James Kibble,

20:40

that shot a Polaroid of a disc a couple of kilometers away, two days prior to

20:46

the landing at the school.

20:47

A lot of times when you have sightings, mass sightings like that, they're in

20:51

and around the area for several days.

20:53

So it's very likely that those two are connected.

20:55

My point is this.

20:56

According to James Kibble, and he's in the film, he said the disc was kind of

21:01

coming down like this over his garden.

21:03

And he had his Polaroid camera he was going to take pictures of.

21:06

Were you doing the same wobbling kind of motion with your hands?

21:09

I'm just telling you what he told me, yeah.

21:10

He said it was kind of wobbling down like a leaf, kind of.

21:13

And then he was like, holy shit.

21:15

And he grabbed his Polaroid camera and he said he did it so quickly, he smashed

21:20

it in his face and he split his nose open.

21:23

But he snapped one shot.

21:24

And he said what it did was, is it went like this.

21:27

Turned sideways.

21:28

The photograph that I have shows it sideways.

21:30

And I'll show it to you.

21:31

I scanned it from the original Polaroid.

21:34

And then it shot off at an unbelievable rate of speed, according to him.

21:39

Exactly how Lazar describes how these things work.

21:42

That's exactly my point.

21:43

And when I interviewed all the children, now adults, that watched this thing

21:47

land at this Westall Primary School in 1966,

21:51

they said the same thing.

21:53

It was sitting on the ground.

21:54

They got up to, I think, around 10 feet away from it, which is pretty

21:56

remarkable.

21:57

When you talk to witnesses, especially that many witnesses, I mean, there were

22:02

roughly 300 kids.

22:03

I didn't meet all 300 of them in the playground when this happened.

22:06

And including the science teacher, this guy Greenwood, which I got him on

22:09

camera for the first time in history and the phenomenon.

22:11

And they said it got off the ground and then it went like this.

22:16

It turned like this.

22:18

Turned sideways again.

22:19

And then it shot off at a high rate.

22:20

It's in the movie.

22:21

You can hear all the testimonies.

22:22

It's the same thing.

22:23

Yes.

22:23

And I got a photograph of it like this.

22:25

And no sound.

22:26

And no sound.

22:26

A slight humming or buzzing sound.

22:29

This is 1966.

22:30

So, and I'm going to get to this later.

22:33

We can go back to a moment of contact.

22:34

But I'm going to make the argument that some, and I cannot emphasize how many

22:41

times we need to underline the word some, UFOs, UAP, originate from a non-human

22:48

intelligence.

22:50

And I'll start off in 45 and I'll take us up to modern day.

22:54

Just a handful of cases that I am, I have personally investigated.

22:59

I have personally met the witnesses, gone to their houses, dating back to 45,

23:05

47, 52, 57, 55, 60, 64.

23:09

So, like all these cases, okay?

23:10

So, basically what I'm going to do is we all know, we know that the vast

23:15

majority of these cases can be explained in conventional terms.

23:20

All this noise about Chinese balloons and weather balloons, and that's all

23:26

noise.

23:27

It's obfuscation and noise.

23:29

Yeah, we know that all this stuff exists.

23:30

But what about the core 5 or 10 percent of cases, and I'm going to give you

23:35

some samples today, that truly, after extensive and exhaustive investigation,

23:40

not because of a lack of data, that defy a conventional explanation, and those

23:46

are the cases that I'll share with you today when we're ready.

23:50

But we can go back to a moment of contact if you want.

23:51

Don't, let's go right into it.

23:52

Oh, you want to go right into it?

23:53

I'm so excited.

23:53

You got me so pumped up.

23:55

Let's do it.

23:55

Let's do it.

23:56

Here it is.

23:56

Oh, you got it.

23:58

That's the photo.

23:58

You got it.

23:58

That's the photo.

23:59

I got a much better copy outside, but see the way it turns sideways?

24:03

Now, let me tell you, if you ever see a photograph of a UFO, and I've talked to

24:07

NASA's analysis about this, and it has a clearly defined edge, it's probably a

24:11

fake.

24:12

They somehow, they have something to do with a, it's blurred around the edges.

24:17

They don't get, they can't get a crisp photograph.

24:20

Of a photograph, they think it has something to do with the propulsion, but

24:22

again, that's not me saying this.

24:24

That makes sense.

24:25

Yeah.

24:25

If there's some sort of a field around it.

24:27

I have a much better copy outside, but yeah, this gives you an example.

24:30

You have a much better copy than this?

24:32

I do.

24:32

I scanned it from the original.

24:33

It's in my bag.

24:33

Go get the bag, bro.

24:34

Should I go get it?

24:35

Go get the bag.

24:36

I'll go get it right now.

24:36

Sorry.

24:37

Get the bag, man.

24:39

Oh, it's right there.

24:40

Exciting.

24:41

Sorry about that.

24:42

Keep that up on the screen, please, Jamie.

24:44

Can I see the full, the full, how it's...

24:47

Okay, here it is.

24:48

Look at this.

24:48

God, it's oddly centered.

24:49

This is perfect.

24:50

Sent to me.

24:51

This is sent to me by the guy who shot the Polaroid, okay?

24:54

There's his handwriting.

24:55

This came from Australia.

24:56

Boom.

24:58

Here it is.

24:59

Check it out.

25:00

Can you see the way it's sideways like that?

25:03

Yeah.

25:04

I'm going to put on my old man glass.

25:07

Yeah, I know, right?

25:07

I got mine too.

25:08

And we can get into, we can get into my argument that I'm going to put forth as

25:17

if I'm presenting

25:18

a case to a jury.

25:19

See, my number one problem always with these things is that I want it to be

25:25

true so bad

25:26

that I worry that my rational, logical mind ignores all the possibilities of it

25:33

being bullshit.

25:35

Don't look at any one particular case.

25:37

What you have to do...

25:38

I mean, I'm looking at it like this, this photo.

25:39

Does that...

25:40

Ooh, that's pretty good.

25:41

But it's the same one.

25:41

It's the same photo.

25:42

So...

25:43

Does that look like that, though?

25:44

You got to look at it like...

25:44

I have to do it again.

25:46

Yeah.

25:46

Feels similar, bro.

25:49

It's a bell.

25:50

It's a school bell.

25:51

Time's up, bitches.

25:52

That's what they're telling us.

25:53

That's what they're telling us.

25:54

Time's up, humans.

25:55

What...

25:56

You can't base this stuff on anyone...

25:59

It's got that bell, James.

26:00

He proved it.

26:00

It's over.

26:01

You can't base...

26:02

Jamie's up.

26:02

Jamie's on the case.

26:04

Hey, all I could say is that you talk to the witnesses.

26:09

I think if you picked it up, there's a hamburger underneath it.

26:11

That's what I think.

26:13

It's like a fancy restaurant hamburger.

26:14

Monsieur.

26:15

Here's your meal, sir.

26:16

Monsieur.

26:17

It is...

26:17

Fries.

26:18

You know the kind where they don't put the bun together?

26:21

You got to do it together yourself?

26:23

The burgers are sitting there.

26:25

But you can't...

26:27

You look at the preponderance of eyewitness testimony from around the world,

26:30

right?

26:30

You don't look at any one particular case.

26:32

You look at one particular case, you think, ah, I see some cracks in that case.

26:34

I get it.

26:35

I get it.

26:35

Probably one of them lids.

26:36

It's one of them food lids.

26:38

That's what I'm talking...

26:39

That's what it is.

26:39

It's 100%.

26:40

We cracked the case.

26:41

Yeah.

26:43

It's a food lid.

26:45

The burger's underneath it.

26:47

Yeah.

26:47

You can see the top thing.

26:49

Well, Jamie, that's the propulsion system, you fool.

26:53

Don't you understand UFO physics?

26:55

I don't know which way it's going in the photo.

26:56

That's the way it's going.

26:57

That way.

26:58

I don't know which way it's going.

26:59

Is it going that way or this way?

27:01

You could pull up McMinnville, Oregon, 1950, Evelyn and Paul Trent.

27:06

Pretty good photographs of discs in broad daylight.

27:08

Yeah, they're pretty good.

27:09

What is it again?

27:10

McMinnville, Oregon, 1950.

27:13

Evelyn and her husband, Paul Trent, snapped, I think, two or three photographs

27:17

of a disc in broad daylight.

27:18

You know I know Barney Hill's granddaughter?

27:20

That's incredible.

27:21

Yeah.

27:22

She fights in the UFC.

27:23

Yeah, that's what I've heard about that.

27:25

Angela Hill.

27:25

She was on the podcast, and she told me about that after we got off the air.

27:29

I'm like, what?

27:30

I should have brought her right back in.

27:32

Look at that.

27:33

Oh, there's a better one.

27:34

Hold on.

27:35

It's a hubcap.

27:36

Nope.

27:37

It's definitely a hubcap.

27:38

That one there.

27:39

That's good.

27:40

Yeah, that's pretty good.

27:41

That one over there is a hubcap.

27:42

I've got that extremely high resolution.

27:44

But you've got two eyewitnesses never made a dime out of the story.

27:47

It's been analyzed to death.

27:49

Show me that hubcap one.

27:50

Which one is that?

27:51

Oh, that one is that's 19...

27:54

Yeah, it's a hubcap.

27:55

No, that's a hat.

27:55

That's Rex Heflin.

27:57

No, look at...

27:58

That's Rex Heflin, Santa Ana, California.

28:01

And there are several Polaroids from Rex Heflin.

28:05

You can look up Rex Heflin.

28:06

It's a pretty damn good case.

28:07

All jokes aside, how many of these do you think are fake?

28:09

Well, I'm showing you the ones that have been scrutinized to death,

28:15

and no one has made any serious claims of being a hoax on the cases that I'm

28:20

giving you right now.

28:21

So that image right there, could you bring me that again, Jamie?

28:24

That image right there, it's like, I feel like someone could fake that.

28:28

Well, you've got to listen to the testimony of Evelyn Trent and her husband,

28:32

Paul.

28:32

And you've got to listen to the analysis that Condon Committee did on this.

28:36

On the photograph?

28:37

Yeah, man.

28:38

What did they say about the photograph?

28:39

Well, here's the thing.

28:40

Everybody's like, okay, eyewitness testimony is not good enough.

28:44

No, I'm not saying that.

28:46

No, no, I know.

28:46

I think, listen, if you had a unique experience,

28:49

if you were out in the desert and you're driving to Nevada,

28:51

and all of a sudden your engine lights went off,

28:54

closed the counters of the third kind style,

28:56

and you got out and there was a fucking disc,

28:58

and it hovered over you for a second,

29:00

and it took off at the same rate of speed,

29:02

and you just left there alone with this memory.

29:05

Yeah.

29:06

I sympathize with those people because in the vast universe that we exist in,

29:11

it's entirely possible that something like that has the power to get here.

29:15

It's entirely possible.

29:17

Also, people are full of shit.

29:19

There's a lot of people that are full of shit.

29:21

No question.

29:22

That's part of my problem.

29:24

Yeah.

29:24

My problem is not that I don't believe.

29:26

My problem is I don't believe people that much.

29:29

And I do believe some people,

29:31

and there's some sincere people,

29:32

and that's one of my problems with Bob Lazar.

29:33

I believe Bob Lazar.

29:34

When I talk to that guy,

29:36

I like what you say.

29:37

I believe he believes what he's saying.

29:39

And there's something to that.

29:41

But I also think,

29:43

God,

29:43

if you wanted to get someone that you could easily discredit,

29:46

if you had a propulsion system that was baffling you,

29:48

and you had some wizard who likes to make hydrogen-powered Corvettes,

29:53

and he put a rocket engine in the back of a Honda.

29:55

Did you ever see that?

29:55

I did.

29:56

He's a psycho.

29:57

So he's a guy who understands propulsion systems.

30:00

He's clearly brilliant.

30:01

He listened to the guy talk.

30:03

He's off the charts intelligent.

30:04

And he would say,

30:05

let's bring the fucking psycho over here.

30:07

Let's have that guy go down there.

30:09

I mean,

30:09

this guy's out there in the fucking desert shooting AK-47s and shit.

30:13

He's a wild man,

30:13

right?

30:14

So you bring that guy,

30:16

and you tell him,

30:18

hey,

30:19

tell us what this is.

30:21

Go to work.

30:22

And he's walking around there,

30:23

and he's like,

30:23

what the fuck is this?

30:25

Like,

30:26

that's the kind of guy you'd,

30:27

if you're at the end of your rope,

30:29

if you know,

30:30

especially if you're a brilliant person,

30:33

if you're a brilliant person,

30:34

and you happen to be a general,

30:35

or happen to be someone who's in charge over there,

30:38

and you're thinking,

30:40

like,

30:40

we've got to look outside the box.

30:41

Like,

30:41

we've got to do something.

30:42

We've got to bring in other perspectives.

30:44

And you've got to bring in someone

30:47

that's not going to be able to communicate with other scientists.

30:50

This is part of the problem.

30:51

You can't share data.

30:53

They can't,

30:53

they can't peer review with other scientists all over the world

30:56

because it's top secret shit.

30:58

So everything has to stay within this small group,

31:00

very small group of people,

31:02

and none of them are cracking it.

31:03

All of them they bring in,

31:05

they're fucking stunned and baffled.

31:06

So you keep funneling new people in.

31:08

They do experiments.

31:09

Something blows up.

31:10

Some people die.

31:11

And you're like,

31:12

okay,

31:12

let's try some more.

31:14

What else you got?

31:15

Oh,

31:15

we got this guy at Los Alamos Lab.

31:17

He puts fucking rocket engines in the back.

31:18

Some Hondas.

31:19

And he's a propulsions expert.

31:21

He's kind of nuts.

31:22

But maybe bring him in.

31:23

Yeah.

31:25

So,

31:25

I'll get back to my domain

31:27

because this is the stuff that I know.

31:29

And I know primarily

31:30

because I went and interviewed the witnesses.

31:31

I just went off on a tangent.

31:32

You know,

31:32

it's all good.

31:33

I'm in a Bob Lazar day.

31:34

Okay.

31:35

I just don't know the case well enough to comment on it.

31:38

I mean,

31:39

more than that.

31:39

The reason why I shared that video story

31:42

is not because I'm sitting there telling you

31:43

that's the definitive piece of evidence

31:44

that the world's been waiting for,

31:46

but it's very compelling.

31:47

It's never been released.

31:48

And I'm giving you guys a lead on that.

31:52

This guy has it.

31:53

Logan Paul.

31:54

So,

31:54

Logan Paul,

31:55

just put it out on your broadcast.

31:56

He might do that.

31:57

Yeah,

31:57

I mean,

31:57

if the guy sues you,

31:58

the money that you'd make

32:00

from having that and releasing it

32:01

would probably be way worth it.

32:03

You know,

32:03

and I hope if the two guys that shot it,

32:07

one was 19,

32:07

the other guy was close to 30.

32:09

So,

32:09

those guys are still alive.

32:10

They lived in Los Angeles

32:11

and they're definitely still alive.

32:13

Yeah,

32:13

they should be.

32:14

So,

32:14

if those guys are still alive,

32:15

let's put together a documentary.

32:16

Well,

32:17

I'd like to see the original tape

32:19

because it's going to be

32:20

a lot better condition

32:21

than an old VHS tape.

32:22

Tell these gentlemen,

32:22

I'll get you on the podcast.

32:23

Come on.

32:24

Tell the story.

32:25

contact me at James C. Fox.

32:28

Oh,

32:28

don't put your email.

32:29

What are you,

32:30

crazy?

32:30

Delete that.

32:31

No,

32:32

it was my Twitter.

32:32

Oh,

32:33

okay.

32:33

Yeah,

32:33

just my Twitter.

32:35

I thought you were going to give your email out.

32:36

No,

32:36

no,

32:37

no,

32:37

no.

32:37

Good Lord,

32:38

sir.

32:38

No,

32:38

I made a mistake in doing that one time

32:40

on Larry King Live.

32:41

Oh,

32:42

no.

32:42

How many dick pics did you get?

32:44

Any?

32:47

I was so inundated.

32:49

I could not believe.

32:51

I was like,

32:52

what was I thinking?

32:53

Yeah,

32:53

this is probably like millions of people

32:54

watching that show.

32:55

Oh my Lord.

32:55

It was crazy.

32:56

Anyway,

32:57

the people about,

32:57

when it comes to UFOs,

32:58

people are very passionate.

32:59

Absolutely.

33:00

So let me get back to my argument

33:02

because.

33:02

Argument from 1945 forward.

33:04

Yeah,

33:04

let's go from 1945.

33:05

Am I correct?

33:06

And this is one of the things

33:07

that I've always heard

33:07

is that after the bombs were dropped.

33:10

Yes.

33:10

That's when the UFO started showing up.

33:12

Well,

33:12

that's when the activity

33:14

certainly heightened.

33:15

And,

33:16

yeah,

33:17

so.

33:18

Is there any indication

33:20

that

33:21

they were directly connected

33:24

other than the fact

33:25

that they just show up?

33:26

Was there,

33:26

was there ever any,

33:28

so.

33:29

I'll tell you.

33:30

Testimony.

33:30

I'll tell you.

33:31

I'll tell you how

33:32

it organically came upon

33:33

my attention.

33:35

I was working with this guy,

33:35

Lance Mungi.

33:36

He was one of the editors

33:37

that was working on

33:39

the phenomenon with me.

33:40

And,

33:41

we were doing this archive

33:43

from a guy,

33:43

this guy named David Marler

33:45

has got this incredible archive.

33:46

of UFO material

33:48

dating right back to the 40s

33:49

all the way to modern day.

33:50

Newspaper headlines,

33:51

audio recordings,

33:52

statements,

33:53

broadcast,

33:54

unbelievable.

33:55

The biggest archive

33:56

you could spend

33:56

the rest of your life in there.

33:57

So,

33:58

he gave me a bunch of stuff

33:59

that was archive interviews

34:02

of primarily people

34:03

at White Sands,

34:04

Holloman Air Force Base,

34:05

different areas in Texas.

34:08

And,

34:08

I was just putting it in,

34:09

it's kind of like

34:10

a little montage

34:11

in the piece

34:11

of just giving the illustration

34:13

that these things

34:14

are going on

34:14

kind of all over.

34:15

And,

34:16

my buddy goes,

34:16

hey man,

34:17

let's put a map on the wall

34:18

and put pins in the map

34:19

for all these different locations.

34:20

So,

34:21

I was like,

34:21

oh,

34:22

okay,

34:22

sure,

34:22

let's do that.

34:23

So,

34:23

we put a map on the wall

34:24

in the edit room

34:25

when we were doing

34:26

the phenomenon.

34:26

And,

34:28

we were putting pins in

34:29

and we looked at each other

34:30

after like a day or two

34:31

and we were like,

34:32

look at proximity

34:33

to Trinity's site.

34:34

Wow.

34:35

Even Socorro,

34:37

White Sands,

34:37

this place in Texas.

34:39

Like,

34:39

that's kind of unusual.

34:41

We're kind of scratching our heads.

34:42

Do you think

34:42

there's a correlation?

34:43

So,

34:44

anyway,

34:44

we didn't really take it

34:45

much further than that

34:46

but we definitely

34:47

took notice.

34:48

And then I met

34:50

with Senator Harry Reid.

34:51

Thank you,

34:52

George Knapp,

34:52

for helping make that happen.

34:54

Former Senate Majority Leader

34:55

Harry Reid,

34:56

who started the A-Tip program

34:57

and during the interview,

34:59

I didn't think about

35:00

asking him this

35:01

but at the end,

35:02

and he had like,

35:02

I'll have 47 minutes

35:04

with you

35:05

and then I gotta go

35:06

and he's got all

35:06

the security guards

35:07

and big guys

35:09

with earpieces

35:09

looking at me

35:10

and I said,

35:11

well,

35:11

sir,

35:12

would you mind

35:13

if we could

35:13

do a quick walk and talk?

35:16

He goes,

35:16

yeah,

35:16

I'll give you 45 seconds.

35:17

So,

35:18

I figured,

35:18

well,

35:18

while I'm walking

35:19

with Senator Reid,

35:19

I'm gonna ask him

35:20

what was one of the

35:22

more astonishing

35:22

aspects of the phenomenon

35:23

that they uncovered

35:24

during this

35:25

Pentagon UFO program

35:26

and right away,

35:28

without hesitation,

35:28

he goes,

35:29

the fact that there

35:30

are incursions

35:31

over our nuclear missile facilities,

35:33

nuclear armed facilities,

35:35

that is of grave concern.

35:38

That was a shocking aspect

35:40

of the phenomenon

35:41

and I thought back

35:42

to that map

35:43

that we'd done

35:43

in the edit room.

35:44

So,

35:44

I was like,

35:45

I gotta go back

35:46

to the drawing board.

35:46

So,

35:47

I spent a year

35:47

I contacted

35:49

this guy

35:49

named Robert Hastings

35:50

who's the guy

35:52

who wrote the book

35:52

on the connection

35:53

between UFOs and nukes.

35:55

What is the book?

35:55

His name is Robert Hastings.

35:58

UFOs and nukes,

35:59

I think.

36:00

But in any case,

36:01

I contacted him

36:02

and he's like,

36:04

oh,

36:04

I'm not doing too well.

36:05

I got this heart condition.

36:06

I tell you what,

36:07

you can have all my archives,

36:08

all the videos

36:09

that I shot.

36:10

So,

36:10

I went through all of it

36:11

and I put together

36:12

just like a five

36:12

or ten minute segment

36:13

in the phenomenon

36:14

that connection

36:16

and you got all these

36:17

like missile control

36:18

launch officers

36:18

and people at

36:20

Malstrom Air Force Base,

36:21

Minot Air Force Base

36:22

talking about

36:23

these incredible incursions

36:24

and keep in mind

36:26

you're talking about

36:27

people that we entrusted

36:28

with the secure,

36:29

like securement

36:31

and deployment

36:33

of nuclear weapons,

36:34

okay?

36:34

So,

36:35

if these guys are lying,

36:36

that's a problem

36:38

and if these guys

36:39

are hallucinating,

36:41

when they've got

36:42

nuclear weapons

36:43

at their disposal,

36:44

that's terrifying

36:45

and it's happening

36:47

all over.

36:47

I mean,

36:47

there is,

36:47

I don't,

36:48

I've got at least

36:49

15 or 20

36:50

of these guys

36:51

testifying

36:52

and Robert Hastings

36:53

has got a bunch more.

36:54

My point is,

36:54

there is,

36:55

there does seem

36:56

to be a connection.

36:56

I interviewed this guy,

36:59

Robert Salas.

37:00

Robert Salas

37:02

was Lieutenant Robert Salas,

37:04

launch control officer

37:05

of the United States Air Force,

37:06

has this incredible encounter

37:07

in Malstrom,

37:08

his people do

37:10

and UFO sighted

37:12

a disc

37:13

and then his nukes

37:14

start shutting down.

37:15

He said to me,

37:17

I'll never forget this

37:18

and this is like 2002,

37:20

this is part of

37:21

Out of the Blue.

37:21

He goes,

37:22

well,

37:24

James,

37:24

very calm.

37:24

You could see why

37:25

he was a launch control officer,

37:26

very measured.

37:27

Everything that came out

37:28

of his mouth

37:28

was calm and measured.

37:29

He goes,

37:30

well,

37:30

James,

37:31

the way I see it,

37:32

it's kind of like

37:33

taking matches

37:34

out of the hands

37:35

of a baby.

37:35

Whoa.

37:38

Yeah.

37:38

Whoa.

37:38

Right?

37:39

Well,

37:39

that makes sense.

37:40

So there's a preponderance

37:42

of testimony

37:43

from these guys

37:44

and they're testifying

37:45

right now

37:45

to Arrow,

37:46

Sean Kirkpatrick.

37:48

But we can get back to...

37:49

What does Arrow stand for?

37:50

Look it up.

37:51

It's an acronym.

37:52

It's the new UAP task force.

37:54

There was

37:55

there was OSAP,

37:57

then it went to ATIP,

37:58

then it went to UAP task force,

37:59

then it went to...

38:00

Why do they keep changing the name?

38:01

I know,

38:01

they keep changing the name.

38:02

Maybe it's like a rebranding

38:04

or something.

38:04

DNS,

38:05

it's an all-domain anomaly resolution office.

38:09

Did you see the photo

38:11

that I posted on Instagram

38:12

of the story of the guy

38:14

from Space Force?

38:15

Yeah.

38:15

It says we may be facing

38:18

threats outside this world.

38:20

What the fuck does that mean?

38:22

I just don't even want

38:23

to spend any time.

38:23

Space Force boss acknowledges

38:25

the U.S. will begin

38:26

facing threats outside of Earth.

38:28

What the hell are you saying?

38:31

What are you saying, man?

38:32

What does that mean?

38:33

Can I read a statement that...

38:37

Can I ask you one question?

38:38

Absolutely.

38:39

Because we're still on the subject

38:40

of the nuclear bases.

38:41

This is exactly...

38:42

This is relevant to this.

38:43

How many of them were there?

38:44

How many different sightings

38:46

were at these missile bases

38:48

and in areas where

38:50

they're testing nukes?

38:52

There are a lot of cases.

38:54

I think cases in just about

38:55

all the installations

38:57

in the United States.

38:58

I mean, Robert Hastings can...

39:00

Every installation

39:01

in the United States

39:02

has cases?

39:02

I can't say that definitively.

39:05

But a lot of them do.

39:06

A lot of them.

39:07

I put 15, 20, 25.

39:09

Let me give you another example.

39:10

Joint base.

39:15

Rendlesham Forest, December 1980.

39:17

It's a joint British-U.S. base.

39:20

It's called the Rendlesham Forest incident.

39:23

There was a landing, December 1980.

39:26

You've got Jim Penniston, John Burroughs,

39:30

and this guy, Ed Kabanzag,

39:31

thinking that something crashed

39:33

in the forest or something.

39:34

They went out to investigate,

39:36

and there's an object

39:37

sitting on the forest floor.

39:38

It's kind of like

39:40

a triangular-shaped object,

39:42

and it's dark,

39:43

and it's warm to the touch,

39:45

and they sat with it on the ground.

39:46

Kabanzag acted like

39:48

as a relay between the base

39:49

and where this object

39:50

had sat on the ground.

39:51

Jim Penniston took photographs of it.

39:53

He had his log book.

39:55

He wrote down the symbols

39:56

that were on the craft,

39:57

which were crazy.

39:58

And then the deputy base commander,

40:00

Colonel Charles Halt,

40:01

I interviewed him.

40:02

He had,

40:03

because sightings can happen

40:05

over a period of a week or more

40:08

a lot of times

40:09

when you get these mass sightings.

40:10

And even the deputy base commander,

40:12

Colonel Charles Halt,

40:13

became a witness.

40:14

He was skeptical,

40:15

and then he too became a witness.

40:16

And he said that these objects,

40:18

there's a recording of him

40:20

while it's happening.

40:21

It's out there in the ether.

40:23

They were shooting beams of light

40:25

down into the weapons storage area.

40:26

That was December 1980.

40:29

Phenomenal case,

40:30

the Rendlesham Forest incident.

40:32

These are like the cases...

40:33

What did this object look like?

40:35

It was a triangular-shaped object,

40:37

not that big.

40:38

I don't know,

40:39

maybe six feet high,

40:40

and it was black,

40:41

and he said it was warm to the touch.

40:42

And it didn't make any sound,

40:44

very little sound,

40:44

and then it lifted off

40:45

the forest floor,

40:46

maneuvered up through the trees,

40:48

and shot off at a high rate of speed.

40:49

Now, these are people

40:50

that are responsible

40:51

for the security

40:52

of our nuclear weapons,

40:53

saying this.

40:54

The deputy base commander,

40:55

Colonel Charles Halt,

40:56

saying this.

40:58

Gordon Williams,

40:59

the general of the entire base,

41:00

I interviewed him as well.

41:02

He talks about how the fact

41:03

that this got out,

41:04

it was a memo that was written

41:05

by WBA's commander,

41:06

Colonel Charles Halt,

41:07

that leaked,

41:08

and the whole story got out.

41:09

But those are the cases

41:10

that I'm talking about

41:11

that represent

41:12

that 5% or 10% core

41:14

that cannot be explained away

41:17

in conventional terms.

41:18

Defy,

41:19

after exhausted research.

41:20

I mean,

41:21

Nick Pope talks about it

41:22

at the MOD.

41:22

He investigated it

41:23

because it took place

41:24

in England.

41:24

He said there were

41:25

radiation readings

41:26

at the landing site.

41:27

Do these,

41:28

the crafts that happened

41:29

at the base,

41:30

do they have photographs

41:31

of these things?

41:32

Well,

41:32

Jim Pendison says

41:33

that he took photographs,

41:34

and then they said

41:35

the photographs didn't come out.

41:36

That's what they told him.

41:37

So he took photographs

41:40

to get developed,

41:40

and then when they developed them,

41:42

they said the photograph.

41:42

That's what they said to him,

41:43

yes.

41:44

Yeah,

41:44

so most likely they just said.

41:46

So then,

41:47

and then one of the things

41:49

that Colonel Charles Halt said

41:50

that the deputy base commander

41:51

is that a plane came in,

41:52

and there was some unknown

41:54

government,

41:54

U.S. agency,

41:55

I know you guys are probably

41:56

thinking I'm crazy now,

41:57

but don't take it from me.

41:58

I'm just telling you

41:58

what they told me.

41:59

Okay.

41:59

Okay?

42:00

That they came in

42:02

and kind of sanitized

42:03

the whole case.

42:04

But that's a very good case,

42:05

and it's one of the top cases

42:08

that is extremely,

42:09

it's been investigated in England,

42:10

it's been investigated

42:11

in the United States,

42:12

and a lot of the witnesses

42:13

have come forward

42:14

on the record.

42:15

So it's quite possible

42:17

that somewhere in some archive

42:18

this photo exists,

42:20

or some photos exist.

42:22

Okay.

42:22

So here's the question.

42:23

If the government keeps coming out

42:26

and telling us that,

42:28

you know,

42:28

we may begin to face threats

42:30

from outside of this world,

42:32

if they're telling us that,

42:34

you know,

42:34

like when they're discussing

42:36

these things,

42:37

they behave in a way

42:38

that we can't describe

42:39

and no propulsion systems

42:40

that we know of,

42:41

if they're telling us all this,

42:42

why wouldn't they release

42:43

all that other stuff too?

42:45

Why wouldn't they release

42:46

those photographs?

42:46

What's in it for them?

42:47

Well,

42:48

what's in it for them

42:49

to tell us about it

42:49

in the first place?

42:50

Well,

42:51

they're not.

42:51

But what's in it for them

42:53

to even admit?

42:53

I mean,

42:54

just the way

42:55

they're addressing it now.

42:56

People think

42:57

that there was

42:58

a sudden epiphany

42:59

with the U.S. government

43:00

that they wanted

43:02

to be more transparent

43:03

and they wanted

43:04

the general public

43:05

to know more

43:05

about this phenomenon.

43:06

Right.

43:07

that is not

43:08

what happened.

43:08

What happened is

43:10

a couple of insiders

43:11

in December of 2017

43:15

walked some evidence

43:17

out of ATIP,

43:18

found a loophole

43:19

and put it on the front page

43:20

of the New York Times.

43:21

Oh, so it was leakers

43:22

who did that?

43:23

Yeah, it was leakers

43:23

that did that.

43:24

Yes, it was Christopher Mellon.

43:25

Okay.

43:26

I actually got a phone call

43:28

when the film was coming out

43:29

and I got a phone call

43:30

from Leslie Kane

43:31

and she goes,

43:31

Christopher Mellon

43:32

told you that he was

43:33

the one that walked

43:34

the footage out

43:34

of the Pentagon?

43:35

I said,

43:36

yeah, it's on camera.

43:37

Well, Christopher Mellon...

43:39

She goes,

43:39

I can't believe that.

43:40

He didn't even want that

43:41

in the New York Times.

43:42

Like, how...

43:42

You know,

43:43

I said, I don't know.

43:44

He just said it

43:45

and that's what happened.

43:46

It wasn't like

43:47

suddenly the government

43:48

had this epiphany.

43:49

So now,

43:49

they can't put

43:50

the genie back

43:51

in the bottle.

43:51

Now, you got

43:52

the David Fravers, right?

43:53

David Fravers' encounter

43:55

is phenomenal.

43:56

Yeah.

43:56

Oh, come on.

43:57

Yeah.

43:58

I mean,

43:58

it's got photographic evidence.

43:59

That tic-tac...

44:02

I was investigating

44:03

a landing case

44:04

in Socorro, New Mexico.

44:05

It was April 24th, 1964.

44:08

So I spent five years

44:11

on this case.

44:11

It was the case

44:12

that turned around

44:13

Dr. Jalen Hynek.

44:15

Dr. Jalen Hynek

44:16

investigated UFO reports

44:18

for the United States Air Force

44:19

as a scientific advisor

44:20

from 47 to 69.

44:22

He's the one

44:24

that coined

44:25

all the term

44:26

close encounter

44:27

of the first kind,

44:28

close encounter

44:28

of the second time,

44:29

the second kind,

44:30

the close encounter

44:31

of the third kind.

44:31

Okay?

44:32

Close encounter

44:34

of the first kind

44:35

is when you see a UFO

44:36

at close range,

44:37

close encounter

44:37

of the second time,

44:38

you see a UFO

44:39

and somehow it interacts

44:40

with the environment.

44:41

Whether, like,

44:42

Richard Dreyfuss' face

44:43

got burnt

44:43

or it leaves marks

44:44

on the ground

44:45

or it burns trees

44:46

or whatever.

44:47

The propulsion

44:48

affects something.

44:48

Close encounter

44:49

of the third kind,

44:50

and this is coming out

44:51

of Air Force Project

44:52

Blue Book's own files.

44:53

This is not me saying this.

44:54

Close encounter

44:55

of the third kind

44:56

is when beans

44:57

are reported

44:57

by the witnesses.

44:58

So beans

45:00

are associated

45:00

with the craft

45:01

are reported.

45:01

One of the best,

45:03

most well-documented

45:04

cases in U.S. history

45:05

took place

45:06

at Core New Mexico

45:07

April 24, 1964

45:09

at 5 o'clock

45:10

with a police officer

45:11

that was on duty

45:12

by the name

45:12

of Lonnie Zamora.

45:13

The best case

45:15

in U.S. history.

45:16

The best documented case.

45:17

The first military officer

45:19

to arrive on the scene

45:21

got there.

45:21

The bushes

45:23

were still smoking.

45:24

I mean,

45:24

the imprints

45:25

in the ground

45:25

of the craft.

45:26

The footprints.

45:27

They got diagrams

45:28

of this stuff.

45:28

And I spent five years

45:32

going back and forth

45:32

to Secor, New Mexico.

45:33

I got to know

45:35

the wife, Mary.

45:37

I got to know

45:37

the daughter, Diane.

45:38

The son, Michael.

45:39

His co-workers.

45:40

I went to the National Archives

45:42

with Ray Stanford.

45:43

He wrote the book on it.

45:44

Secor a saucer

45:45

in a Pentagon pantry.

45:47

Phenomenal case.

45:47

And what I learned

45:49

was that the Air Force,

45:55

according to his own family,

45:57

Lonnie Zamora's family,

45:58

told his daughter this.

45:59

I have this on camera.

46:00

The Air Force

46:01

wanted him desperately

46:04

not to talk about the beans.

46:06

They discouraged him

46:09

to talk about the beans.

46:10

And I'll tell you why.

46:11

It's one thing

46:12

when you see an object,

46:14

unknown object,

46:14

like David Fravor saw

46:15

up in the sky,

46:16

exhibiting a technology

46:18

that seems to defy

46:19

conventional propulsion.

46:21

And it's another thing

46:23

altogether

46:24

when you've got beans

46:25

on the ground.

46:26

The Air Force

46:27

didn't want him

46:27

talking about that.

46:28

And that was one thing

46:29

that his daughter

46:29

and his wife told me

46:30

clearly.

46:31

And his wife said,

46:32

Lonnie was never the same

46:34

after that case.

46:36

So what did Lonnie see?

46:38

Lonnie saw two beans

46:39

at the base

46:40

of an egg-shaped craft

46:41

that was landed

46:42

in an arroyo

46:42

in Sequoia, New Mexico

46:43

in broad daylight.

46:45

Lonnie looked out

46:46

the window of his patrol car.

46:47

He saw something

46:48

that caught his eye.

46:48

And then this object landed.

46:50

He was actually

46:53

in hot pursuit at the time.

46:54

He gave up pursuit

46:55

to go investigate

46:56

what was going on.

46:57

And he sees this object

46:58

in the arroyo

47:00

in the desert

47:01

on the ground.

47:02

It's such a well-documented case.

47:03

And he rolls down

47:05

his car window

47:06

and he's looking out

47:07

and he's going,

47:07

am I looking at

47:09

like an overturned car?

47:10

What the hell

47:11

am I looking at?

47:12

And then he sees

47:14

two little figures.

47:15

He said they were childlike

47:16

at the base of the craft

47:17

and one of them

47:18

locked eyes with him.

47:19

And his wife said

47:21

he was never the same

47:22

after that.

47:22

But...

47:23

How did he describe them?

47:25

What did they look like?

47:25

He said they were

47:26

small, childlike.

47:28

Small.

47:29

And they had

47:30

white coveralls,

47:31

tight coveralls.

47:32

This is a close

47:33

encounter

47:33

of the third kind.

47:33

What did they say

47:34

their faces look like?

47:35

He didn't give

47:36

a lot of detail.

47:37

I've got the only...

47:38

So I went to Lonnie's house.

47:41

I got to know

47:41

his wife quite well.

47:43

Lonnie had passed

47:43

a couple years prior to that.

47:45

And I...

47:46

I don't know how far

47:48

down the rabbit hole

47:48

you want to go

47:49

in this case

47:49

because we could talk

47:50

on this case

47:50

for three hours.

47:51

But whatever.

47:52

I could tell you

47:53

I got access to...

47:54

He had this black

47:55

duffel bag

47:56

and it was with

47:56

his wife's permission.

47:57

He had kept

47:59

all the original

47:59

newsprints

48:00

from the articles

48:02

that had come out

48:02

and that's where

48:03

I got the details.

48:04

And he also talked

48:05

about it in some

48:06

recordings that I got

48:07

from his family

48:07

and other researchers.

48:08

It's in the movie

48:09

The Phenomenon.

48:10

And that's where

48:13

I got the primary

48:13

description

48:14

because it was

48:14

Richard T. Holder

48:15

was the first

48:16

military officer

48:16

on the scene.

48:17

The FBI got involved

48:18

later and...

48:20

How long was that

48:21

thing sitting out

48:22

there for?

48:22

The object was

48:23

sitting on the ground

48:24

not for very long

48:24

just a few minutes.

48:25

Lonnie saw the beans

48:27

and he went like

48:29

around to get

48:30

a closer look.

48:31

I mean he was like

48:32

what the hell

48:32

am I looking at?

48:33

And he drove his car

48:35

around to get

48:36

a closer look

48:37

and he lost contact

48:38

with it for a second

48:38

while he drove around

48:39

to get a closer look.

48:40

Now he's within

48:41

50 feet of this egg

48:42

thing sitting on the ground.

48:43

And he gets out

48:45

of the patrol car.

48:46

It starts...

48:47

It starts making

48:49

some weird noise

48:50

and it has

48:51

a blue flame

48:53

that comes out

48:54

and he said

48:54

it was not like

48:55

a rocket flame

48:56

where it would

48:57

hit the ground

48:57

and dust everything up

48:59

but it pierced the ground

49:00

like a knife

49:01

through warm butter.

49:01

And then when it got

49:03

about 20 feet

49:04

off the ground

49:04

it went completely silent

49:06

with no flame

49:06

no nothing.

49:08

You can hear a pin drop.

49:08

There was a symbol

49:10

on the side of the craft.

49:11

It was in yellow

49:12

and it was about

49:12

three feet tall

49:13

and it was like

49:14

a V like this

49:15

two lines

49:16

and a line on top.

49:17

Let's get a photo

49:18

of that symbol

49:19

that he recreated.

49:21

Yeah, you'll see

49:21

fake symbols

49:23

because Richard T. Holder

49:25

asked him to draw

49:26

a different symbol.

49:27

I actually have

49:28

the original symbol

49:28

on a document

49:31

from Dr. Hunt.

49:31

Why did someone

49:32

ask him to draw

49:33

a fake symbol?

49:33

Because he said

49:34

that if anybody else

49:35

claimed to see

49:36

the same craft

49:37

with that symbol

49:37

they would immediately

49:38

be able to identify

49:39

a hoaxster.

49:40

Oh, so which was

49:42

the real one?

49:42

The real one is

49:44

that one right there

49:45

with the two lines

49:46

in that upside down

49:47

V right there.

49:48

That's the real one.

49:48

That's the real one.

49:49

Yeah, and I've got

49:50

the document

49:50

in Dr. Jalen Hynek's

49:51

own handwriting.

49:52

Ray Stanford and I

49:54

went to the National Archives

49:55

and found it.

49:56

It was a huge find.

49:57

So they did that

49:57

on purpose

49:58

just in case

49:59

some copycat people

50:00

started coming up with it.

50:01

He did.

50:01

Richard T. Holder

50:02

and I met

50:02

Richard T. Holder's

50:03

two kids

50:03

and talked to them

50:04

about it.

50:05

I talked to his wife

50:06

about it

50:07

and they said

50:07

yeah, he was told

50:08

that's not the genuine.

50:09

That's the one

50:10

right there

50:11

that you're looking at.

50:12

That's the real one.

50:14

No question.

50:14

So anyway, my point is

50:16

Is that his handwritten note

50:17

over there

50:18

that shows it?

50:19

Yeah, that's definitely

50:21

I've actually found

50:22

the original one of those.

50:23

That's it.

50:24

That's the document

50:25

that I found

50:26

with Ray Stanford

50:27

at the National Archives

50:28

in 2013.

50:28

This is in Dr. Hynek's

50:30

own handwriting.

50:31

In clothes suggest

50:33

any resemblance

50:34

to the

50:34

and he draws

50:35

the symbol

50:36

of Socorro.

50:37

Maybe we've

50:38

yeah.

50:38

I mean it was kind

50:39

of a genius move

50:40

quite honestly.

50:41

So this was the case

50:43

that turned

50:43

J. Allen Hynek?

50:44

So yeah

50:44

so what happened was

50:45

Jacques Follet

50:47

was it right

50:48

So that's what

50:48

it looked like

50:49

similar

50:49

so similar

50:50

to a tic-tac

50:51

Yeah, that's what

50:52

it looked like

50:53

but when it got

50:54

when it got to

50:55

about 20 feet

50:55

off the ground

50:56

it went completely silent

50:57

no blue flame

50:57

nothing

50:58

the landing gear

50:59

was retracted

51:00

it was just an egg

51:01

and it floated

51:03

off in the distance

51:04

in fact

51:05

Lonnie

51:05

I've got an

51:05

I've got an interview

51:06

with Lonnie

51:07

where he says

51:07

that one of the officers

51:08

who arrived on

51:09

the scene

51:09

actually saw it

51:11

fly off

51:12

off in the distance

51:13

and it was witnessed

51:13

by other people

51:14

in the town

51:14

that saw this thing

51:15

flying

51:15

Didn't the

51:16

the tic-tac

51:17

the people

51:18

who saw the tic-tac

51:18

including Commander

51:19

Fravor

51:20

didn't he say

51:20

that there was

51:21

some sort of

51:22

thing that almost

51:23

looked like landing

51:24

here

51:24

No there was

51:25

something that

51:25

protruded out

51:26

in the front of it

51:27

or something

51:27

I don't know

51:28

but apparently

51:29

the video

51:30

I think it was

51:31

according to Fravor

51:31

the video is

51:33

the one that's

51:34

been out

51:34

is a lot

51:35

the resolution

51:36

is a lot worse

51:36

than what other

51:37

people had seen

51:38

at the time

51:38

I remember

51:39

I think

51:39

David Fravor

51:40

said that to me

51:41

but yeah

51:42

so I just

51:43

so I just

51:44

recently went

51:45

I'm filming a new

51:46

doc and I went

51:47

to Washington D.C.

51:48

for a month

51:48

to get kind of

51:49

caught up on

51:49

what's been happening

51:51

because a lot's

51:51

been happening

51:52

while I'm doing

51:52

Moment of Contact

51:53

there's an unprecedented

51:56

effort in Washington D.C.

51:58

to push for further

52:00

government transparency

52:01

Marco Rubio

52:03

Senator Gillibrand

52:04

Andre Carson

52:06

Representative Andre Carson

52:07

who got the

52:08

congressional hearings

52:09

that happened last year

52:10

Gallego

52:11

Representative Gallego

52:12

and Gallagher

52:13

have all been involved

52:13

in others

52:14

and so I got introduced

52:16

to some intelligence folks

52:17

on the inside

52:17

and they wanted me

52:19

to read this

52:19

to your audience

52:20

okay

52:20

and this is about

52:22

evidence

52:22

okay

52:23

so and this was

52:24

pretty much

52:25

a reaction to

52:27

the latest

52:28

hearing that happened

52:30

with Gillibrand

52:30

just a couple of days

52:32

ago or last week

52:33

I will remain anonymous

52:34

but I've been

52:36

monitoring the UFO

52:37

and I met this guy

52:38

I know this guy

52:39

this guy's legit

52:39

the UFO

52:41

UAP activity

52:42

and the authorities

52:43

response to them

52:44

I can assure you

52:45

there's a lot more

52:46

evidence behind the curtain

52:47

that hasn't been released

52:49

first our military

52:50

are

52:51

and have been

52:52

seeing remarkable

52:53

things in the sky

52:54

in the oceans

52:55

and on the land

52:56

for years

52:57

of those reported

52:58

where does all

53:00

this information

53:00

get stored

53:01

authorities would

53:02

have you believe

53:03

that this data

53:03

is destroyed

53:04

but unique data

53:05

is stored somewhere

53:06

to be reviewed later

53:08

and as someone

53:09

that has seen

53:09

the classified holdings

53:11

I am very

53:12

disappointed in the fact

53:13

that Dr. Kirkpatrick

53:14

showed some of the

53:15

most mundane videos

53:17

to the public

53:17

I do understand

53:19

that there are

53:19

security factors

53:20

to be considered

53:21

so I'm hoping

53:22

that Senator Gillibrand

53:23

saw something

53:23

much more interesting

53:25

in her closed door

53:26

hearing with Kirkpatrick

53:27

and why did only

53:28

two senators

53:29

show up for the hearing

53:30

have they lost faith

53:31

in Kirkpatrick already

53:32

I applaud Senator Gillibrand's efforts

53:35

to find the truth

53:36

but I am more sure

53:37

than ever

53:38

that Kirkpatrick

53:39

is not the one

53:40

interesting

53:41

so he's withholding

53:42

some information

53:43

these people went on camera

53:44

for me

53:45

it's going to be released

53:45

when the time is right

53:47

but I've got

53:48

again it's one of those

53:49

things conveniently

53:50

like Lucy

53:51

pulling the ball

53:52

away from Charlie Brown

53:53

right when you get close

53:55

it's so frustrating

53:58

I can only imagine

53:59

so frustrating

54:00

Christopher Mellon

54:01

said that there's

54:01

very high resolution

54:03

photographs

54:04

so he now has

54:05

he just met with me

54:07

in DC

54:07

and he's now

54:08

told me

54:09

that there is

54:10

satellite data

54:11

and the only reason

54:12

why he talked about it

54:13

is because Ratcliffe

54:14

mentioned it

54:15

so he's like

54:15

well Ratcliffe mentioned it

54:16

so I'll mention the fact

54:17

that Ratcliffe mentioned it

54:18

it's satellite data

54:19

and I was like

54:20

well how good are the photographs

54:21

I want to know so bad

54:23

you know me

54:23

like come on

54:24

I've been looking at this

54:25

for 30 years

54:25

how good are the photographs

54:27

he goes James

54:28

4k

54:29

just think about as good

54:30

as you can imagine

54:31

of craft

54:32

and to know that

54:33

and I spoke to five other people

54:35

that are part of the program

54:37

or had the top secret

54:39

the clearances

54:40

to access to this

54:41

and they all confirmed

54:42

and it's like

54:43

they're just on the other side

54:44

of that curtain

54:45

could like

54:46

could somebody just

54:47

get those out here please

54:48

like please

54:49

do you think

54:50

we're closer than ever

54:51

to those things being leaked

54:52

I think that if we keep

54:53

the pressure on

54:55

I think it's very important

54:57

one of the things

54:57

that concerns me

54:58

a little bit

54:59

is that sometimes

55:00

they could leak something

55:01

that looks amazing

55:03

right

55:03

and then you

55:04

put your fingerprints

55:06

all over it

55:06

and you send it out

55:07

into the ether

55:07

and then it's

55:08

a proven

55:09

gets debunked

55:10

right

55:10

so you got to be

55:11

kind of careful

55:11

if you don't know provenance

55:13

and so

55:14

I would imagine

55:15

they would do stuff

55:15

like that on purpose

55:16

oh these guys

55:16

are so smart

55:17

they're like five steps

55:18

ahead of us

55:19

you know

55:19

so

55:20

but you know

55:21

I know what I know

55:22

not because I read it

55:23

out of a book

55:23

but I actually went

55:25

into the field

55:26

I mean I travel

55:26

I'm not trying

55:27

to toot my own horn

55:28

but I was interviewing

55:29

generals and cosmonauts

55:30

in Russia

55:31

back in the late 90s

55:32

I went to China

55:33

I went to Australia

55:34

I went to Africa

55:35

I went to Russia

55:37

as I was just saying

55:37

all across Europe

55:39

I really want to know

55:41

like I'm so curious

55:42

and I like to go

55:43

to location

55:43

I like to

55:44

like I give you an example

55:45

I found out in China

55:47

just a couple years ago

55:49

there's a case

55:50

that happened in 1994

55:51

the same time as Rua

55:52

called Meng Xiaogua

55:54

in the black forest of China

55:55

and these guys

55:56

in the middle of nowhere

55:58

relayed the same

55:59

telepathic message

55:59

that the children received

56:00

in Rua Zimbabwe

56:02

in 1994

56:04

at Ariel School

56:05

and by the way

56:07

I did include a piece of that

56:09

in the film that I did

56:10

with the girls

56:10

I don't know

56:11

it's only like 10 minutes long

56:12

quite fascinating

56:13

that's a damn good case

56:14

that's in one of the 10% cases

56:16

that I talk about

56:17

but there's a film out now

56:18

I think it's called

56:19

Ariel Phenomenon

56:20

and it's all just about that case

56:22

but those are the

56:25

should we get back to like

56:27

to 45 and work my way up

56:29

or do you want to talk

56:30

a little bit about

56:30

Moment of Contact

56:31

because Moment of Contact

56:32

is the case

56:34

that could settle this debate

56:38

once and for all

56:39

or

56:39

let's tease people for a bit

56:40

with Moment of Contact

56:41

because it is an amazing

56:42

amazing documentary

56:44

I won't go into details

56:45

I won't go into any details

56:46

I'll just say this

56:47

I will

56:48

I put my reputation

56:49

on the line for this

56:50

I get it

56:51

it sounds so spectacular

56:53

it sounds so unbelievable

56:55

but when you watch

56:56

the documentary

56:57

it sounds less spectacular

56:58

well similarly spectacular

57:00

but more believable

57:01

so here's the point

57:03

okay

57:04

it's either the most

57:05

elaborate complex hoax

57:07

that involves

57:08

half the town of Virginia

57:09

there's like 130,000

57:10

people living there

57:11

I mean I go down

57:12

to the town square

57:13

and just start talking

57:14

to people

57:14

I did it the movie

57:15

and everybody's got

57:16

a little piece of the puzzle

57:17

most people have a piece

57:18

of the puzzle

57:19

it's phenomenal

57:20

or

57:20

a UFO crashed

57:22

live aliens were recovered

57:24

and the Americans

57:26

it was captured

57:27

by the Brazilian authorities

57:28

and the Americans

57:29

stepped in

57:29

and flew some of that

57:30

back to the United States

57:31

and that's when the case

57:32

goes cold

57:32

there's no in between

57:35

that's definitely

57:35

the sexiest version

57:36

well yeah

57:37

there's no

57:38

there's no in between

57:39

but you

57:39

speaking of the sexiest versions

57:41

this is

57:41

I was looking up the thing

57:42

in 94 in China

57:43

and stumbled across this

57:44

oh good

57:45

yeah that's what I was saying

57:46

the most bizarre contact

57:47

in China occurred

57:47

in June 7 1994

57:49

when

57:50

how do you say his name

57:50

Meng Xiaogua

57:51

Meng Xiaogua

57:52

of Phoenix Mountain

57:53

how do you say that

57:55

Fujian

57:56

Fujian

57:57

Fujian province

57:58

met a female alien

58:01

first there was electricity

58:02

between them

58:03

then things got amorous

58:05

according to Meng

58:06

the female alien

58:08

looked like a white monster

58:09

she was very tall

58:10

about 2.5 meters

58:12

and wore tight clothes

58:13

with only her big eyes

58:15

and private parts exposed

58:16

she did something to him

58:18

that felt like an electric shock

58:20

and he passed out

58:20

when he came round

58:21

he found several scars

58:23

on his body

58:23

according to Wu

58:24

she planted something

58:26

mung bean sized

58:28

in his body

58:29

into his body

58:30

things were about

58:31

to get even stranger

58:32

Meng had sexual intercourse

58:33

with the female alien

58:34

she suddenly fell down on him

58:36

he could hardly move

58:38

his penis felt hot

58:39

then ached

58:40

the experience was more pleasurable

58:42

than anything he had ever felt

58:44

that's him

58:45

yeah then they gave him

58:45

a lie detector test

58:46

and he passed it

58:47

I did not hear about that aspect

58:49

of the encounter

58:50

a lot of people

58:51

have asked those

58:51

especially crazy people

58:52

yeah

58:52

I did not hear about

58:54

that aspect of it

58:55

but anyway

58:55

I didn't go

58:56

but my point is

58:58

that dude was banging aliens

58:59

yeah

58:59

respect

59:00

respect

59:01

respect

59:01

it takes a lot of courage

59:03

but I was very attracted

59:04

to the avatar lady

59:05

the big blue one

59:06

that saves him

59:07

she's hot

59:09

so

59:09

she's hot

59:10

we'll go back here

59:12

let's go

59:13

let's go

59:13

I think she's hot

59:15

let's go back

59:16

because

59:17

I fucking switch right over

59:18

to that

59:19

I

59:19

I am

59:21

here

59:23

so

59:24

we'll get back to a moment of contact

59:26

I just want to say the last thing

59:27

with a moment of contact

59:28

then we'll get back to these other cases

59:29

it's either

59:31

the case we've all been waiting for

59:34

the case that could settle the debate once and for all

59:36

right

59:37

if it's true

59:38

could you think of a more extraordinary

59:40

let's just say hypothetically for a moment

59:42

it happened

59:42

as all the witnesses stated it happened

59:44

how big of a story do you think

59:46

it's an immense story

59:47

because it means that they're real

59:49

if it's true that it means they're real

59:51

it means something that we don't understand

59:53

was in the sky

59:55

got hit by lightning

59:56

got caught up in a furious lightning storm

59:59

and wound up crashing

1:00:00

and that these things survived

1:00:03

and they got out

1:00:04

and the fact that one guy handled one of them

1:00:07

and got this insane infection

1:00:10

and died very quickly afterwards

1:00:12

and he was very young and healthy

1:00:14

military man

1:00:15

and the fact that

1:00:16

all these people have the same story

1:00:19

they all have the same depiction of the disc

1:00:22

the craft

1:00:22

they have the same depictions of seeing these beings

1:00:26

not one witness came to us

1:00:29

we had to track down every one of those witnesses

1:00:31

and there's a story behind each and every one of them

1:00:33

that I could go on for an hour for

1:00:35

I'm sure

1:00:36

I won't bore you with the details

1:00:37

but suffice to say

1:00:38

you wouldn't bore me

1:00:38

bro we got a gravity bomb over there

1:00:40

we could be here for days

1:00:41

oh my gosh

1:00:44

I'd be like

1:00:45

I know

1:00:46

but there's nothing that goes better than marijuana and aliens

1:00:49

when I went

1:00:51

every time I'd get back from Brazil

1:00:53

I'd get home and people

1:00:55

and I'm out there for a month

1:00:56

knocking on doors

1:00:57

talking to witnesses

1:00:58

chasing people down

1:00:59

trying to convince them to come forward

1:01:00

like crazy

1:01:02

yeah this is not like a quick venture

1:01:05

to make this documentary

1:01:06

12 years

1:01:07

that's insane

1:01:08

and so

1:01:08

wow

1:01:09

and so I'd come home from a trip in Brazil

1:01:12

and I'm telling you man

1:01:13

it was like my mind was just torqued

1:01:15

I was so

1:01:16

I'm in another alternate reality

1:01:18

I'm thinking

1:01:18

oh my god

1:01:20

I'm coming to the realization

1:01:20

that this fucking happened

1:01:22

when that man

1:01:23

takes you to the spot

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and he gets overwhelmed with emotion

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he was gone for 25 years

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Marco Leal

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thank you Marco

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and co

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unless that guy

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we don't have a story

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we gotta find

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we gotta find Carlos DeSauza

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yeah

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unless that guy is a

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Daniel Day-Lewis quality actor

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we don't need Brad Pitt anymore

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nor Leonardo DiCaprio

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this guy

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that guy

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if he's full of shit

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best actor

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he's one of the best actors ever

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because that moment

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when he gets to that spot

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and he's overwhelmed with emotion

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he starts tearing up

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oh yeah

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and he's freaking out

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like just imagine

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if 25 years ago

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you experienced something

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that literally destroyed

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your understanding

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of life itself

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in the universe

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that there's a thing out there

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that can visit us

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that's different than us

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and it's probably been here forever

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my DP David West

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has been shooting

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for over 40 years

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and he's like

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I've never seen anything like that

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that guy was

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that's about as legit

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as I've ever seen

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he was so believable

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crying

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and I mean

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not only that

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but it's like

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the guy disappeared

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he's never made a dime off this