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David Goggins is a retired Navy SEAL, public speaker, and author. Look for his new book "Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within" on December 6. www.davidgoggins.com
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night all day yeah you do a podcast of every fucking day man pretty much this
week every day
but I was just on vacation how was vacation it was nice a little vacations are
hard you know
because like even though I enjoy rest I always feel like I shouldn't be always
I get it I go on
vacations no never no no for me creatively it's good it's good to get a reset
because I come back
in guns blazing like a really that I don't don't risk any mental burnout when I
do it well I have
resets but my resets are like I call them aid stations mental aid stations so
when you're
fucking hard and you grind all the fucking time like everybody knows you're 24
hours in the day
but when I'm in the shower it's a mental aid station I don't think about shit I
don't fucking think
about people I don't think about work I don't think about running I don't think
about working out
but I'm in the car another fucking mental aid station when I'm fucking eating
mental aid station so
people eat and they work and all that sort of shit man so I can grind hard
because a lot of times man
I'm in mental fucking aid stations mmm chillin so you have little mini vacation
mini vacations man
all day long all day long do you feel now almost a responsibility to like stay
at it all the time
because so many people are watching and paying attention and drawing
inspiration from you a hundred
percent I mean like I probably would have retired a long time ago but I get
these emails from people
and it's like they're living through me like their strength comes through what
they know I'm doing
so there's so many times I want to get up and say oh man fuck it I got mine I'm
good
and I'm like fuck fucking Tommy out there motherfucker fucking Tommy talking
about Tommy talking about fucking
saved his life man I ran 10 miles last night because of you man I'm like you
know a lot of people can live off of
that and they can fucking be good with that and you know a lot of motivational
people come out here
man and run their motherfucking mouths about shit and I know they are not doing
shit they sit back and
they're fucking like you know they have the little brainstorming sessions about
oh what should we say
what's gonna what's gonna connect with people while they're saying their
fucking ass my brainstorming
sessions is fucking out there in the fucking grip of life fucking grinding and
that's what they all my
material comes from the suck every bit of it comes from the suck mmm and that's
the difference between
there's a there's like a whole industry now that's dedicated to trying to help
people get motivated and a lot of the
people that are involved in that are very unqualified a hundred percent because
they're not really doing
anything no there's so many people that haven't actually done anything but they'll
try to teach
you how to get your life in order and how to get your mind right and develop
that warrior mentality I'm
like bitch you don't have that well they're utilizing the weakness of the world
right now yeah the
world's in a very bad place so the Pete these these people who are like con
artists they sit back and say oh I
can come up with this I can come up with this and this right here probably make
me some money yeah
so they're in it for for fucked up reasons there's just not a whole lot of
people like you you're you
know I love that phrase uncommon amongst uncommon men because it's it's such a
good phrase because it just
shows you you you've been on this path for so long and you're grinding for so
long but you're also honest
about there's moments where you don't want to fucking do this oh which is why
it's so interesting because
you do it right you do it without any reservation you just go through it right
but you always talk about I
don't want to fucking do this shit but you always do it that's it but that's
what people need to hear
because they feel like that somewhere out there there's some superhuman person
who never feels despair and
doesn't have any there's there's no no hesitation so they feel like there's
this person that's so
different than them and so much stronger than them and doesn't ever have any
procrastination and
and you're like that's not me no I love that phrase you told me once he goes
sometimes I look at my
fucking shoes for a half an hour before I put those bitches on it's a true
statement but but what I do
though man is I I came with this thing called perform without purpose and so
many people they need to
have a 5k a 10k I need to have a course in front of me I need to have something
in front of me for me
I need to get my fucking ass up and do some shit and that used to be me and
nowadays you know shit for past 20
some years I don't need fucking purpose and people miss out on this man the
purpose we're all looking
for this golden purpose is it this is it that is it making money it is is it my
family motherfucker the
purpose is you we forget that every fucking day I wake up I don't want to do
some fucking shit I'm like okay
man do you want to be a bitch today do you want to feel like a little bitch do
you want to walk around
all day knowing that you could but you didn't so I I it's performed without
purpose you have to learn
how to get up and do shit when you ain't got no fucking 5k no 10k nothing
nothing exists your life
fucking sucks you're in the fucking dungeon but guess what motherfucker I'm
still going to get it
because when that time comes because the time is going to come when that
purpose is there you'll be
ready but most of us fucking aren't ready because we don't know how to do
without having the golden
carrot in front of us yeah and so you're all fucked there's also this thing
where if you do it once
it's over you get a break oh like that's what a 10k is that's what a marathon
is I'm going to train for
this marathon and you're you're training and you're training for that big day
but you're also recognizing
when that marathon's over ah that's right that's right and as you get better at
that ha moment
the all moment becomes less and less so my all moments now are like oh I ran
today I went to the
gym today I did this and this today I studied today I have about eight hours
off and those eight hours are
glorious to me and every day you go back out and you start earning that and
every day you wake up
it sucks and when it's over you feel better it sucks you feel better and as you
get going that's every
step you take in that journey as you're like for me run I run every day fucking
hate it but every step
I take I'm like all right you're beating the demon again you run every day but
I don't think people
understand how fucked up your knees are no like you you you run over you when
you sent me that x-ray
after your surgery and I looked at what they did to your knee and and I looked
at what it looks like
right what the actual bone on bone looks like and right how it had distorted
because there's no cushioning
at all no and the doctor said to you I can't even believe you could fucking
walk on these knees yeah
forget about run thousands of miles so you're doing this every day in constant
pain right
right what is it like well I don't explain your knees first of all so okay so
people think that
my knees are bad from a lot of running and they're wrong I'm I wasn't born
healthy I wasn't born with
some great body alignment some great you know I have sickle cell I have all
kind of shit I have all kind of
health issues you know all kind of I'm up so I had a choice to make and the
choice was you know growing
up you know okay this hurts that hurts we can just sit down and do nothing or
we can see how far we can
push the human body so on that journey as I started getting more and more into
my mind and start realizing
that while what I'm capable of doing my mind got stronger so the so the pain in
my knees
while it sucked I've been doing it for so long it was like it became my new
norm like okay my knees hurt
it stop you know and I call it like I'm stop feeling sorry for yourself but you
sometimes have to ignore
your feelings I'm gonna send Jamie a picture of your knee oh no dude I think
Jamie has some uh do you have
a picture of his knee Jamie did I ever send it to you Jamie I have it here hold
on let me just but keep
going no so it's like for for me I I made a decision and my decision was to be
the best person I could
and I basically a lot more as I wake up and say your feelings and that doesn't
mean like you know
don't take it literally your feelings but sometimes you have to go beyond what
you're feeling and my
knees were but guess what I wanted to run and I knew that okay you can get knee
replacements this and
that like I said it wasn't because of I ran too much people always want to say
oh my you ran so much so
you up your body you know you don't want to be like David Goggins I hear it all
the time you don't be
like David Goggins but so there's your knee yeah there it is first of all look
at the fact that
there's zero space between those bones yes sir from the top from your your your
tibia to your femur
there's zero space it's just kneecap covering two bones that are rubbing
against each other and so
this was after surgery where they had to cut your knee slice your shin like in
half
and then take a chunk out of it because it had deformed so much from you
running with bone
on bone that it was starting to like swell out in one direction and it was
changing the alignment of
your leg right and this happened back in 2000 2001 was going through buds so
this happened for a long
this is this right here has been going on for a long time so and it got to a
point where it's like okay
i'm done and that's the playlist that's in there right now so as you see the
wedge
that part right there in the bone that's opened up yeah so they had to cut it
realign it and then um
now the alignment's better but this is now about 17 months ago 17 18 months ago
when this happened
so couldn't get some screws that fit go back to that real quick which was real
long that one sticks
right out of the bone hey cut that off yeah follow that down is that thing
sticking in your leg
no i don't well i feel the plate every single time i move yeah so everything so
because it's like
connected to the hamstring so whenever i move that plate is very irritating so
every
step even like when i walk when i run it's just it's this very irritating thing
and then you gotta wait
for so long for that leg to start getting back into place and if you see that
other picture i sent
of the foam my my foam leg that i put my hand in i think jennifer sent it to
you jamie with the foam
leg you'll see this in a second this is up so like the swelling in that leg
was nuts oh when you had edema yeah you showed it to me in vegas yeah you were
sticking your thumb into your
shape i grabbed it yeah yeah so it was it was pretty nuts but um you know once
again it's just things
you uh things i was willing to endure to get yes it right there so that's just
all post-surgery
swelling yeah so when the doctor said this to you and he he said look this is
how up your knee is
did he say you need a replacement what what was he saying basically i had two
options so i went to the
the first guy had the surgery done that's in the book i talked about that but
then the second guy so
after the first surgery i was done so this is the first surgery after buds no
so this is like back in
looking at 2000 so me and cameron this is recently so i didn't have any surgery
going through buds really
i didn't have any surgery at all so i went through in 2001 i fucked up 2000
2001 whatever it was i messed up
my leg real bad and how we kept on going on it just kept on going what did you
do to it in hell week
it was like i i it up somehow like running or whatever i haven't even can't
hurt me
but um it was uh i think the boat i fell it twisted but over a period of time
it got worse and worse and
worse so i was getting like toward all shots every day and then this got worse
but i'm like it i'm good
so i kept going on it so it kind of healed all up so just kept going kept going
kept going years later
years later just kept going on it so i stopped squatting so it became like okay
my knees up my
alignment's messed up my hips are messed up i can't squat so but i could still
run so okay i started
running because running doesn't require you to bend down and so i'm running a
lot
and they got to um 20 years later pretty much and it was 2020 or i don't get
this right cameron haynes
came down we went for a 20 mile run my knees were up for like 10 years long
story short it was like
okay man i gotta get this thing looked at so when i got looked at the doc was
like oh we can go in
there and just do a quick little you know cleanup job and the cleanup job wasn't
so quick
guy was breaking tools and shit up like literally broke tools and i have it in
there he was breaking
tools i talked to him i know he told me your meniscus was the hardest meniscus
he's ever experienced in
his life he's like dude he goes i didn't know that meniscus could get that way
he goes like he's not
human he goes when i was cutting into meniscus it broke the scalpel yep wolf
lawson
joe he said wolf's law something yeah he said normally when you cut in the meniscus
it just
slices right through like butter he's like i couldn't cut it yeah mine went
butter mine went
butter so all those motherfuckers who think i'm putting them hundred-hour weeks
go yourself
you don't get no like that baby by sitting on the couch no i mean that's the
craziest
thing i've ever heard like you've hardened your meniscus just through constant
pressure and pounding
yeah so he went in there to clean it up and then what happened so basically
that little
meniscus that whatever the was in there so my so my alignment was so bad the
only thing that was
keeping me able to do anything was that little up messed up um meniscus it was
all jarred up and
jacked up but the second that thing got out dude it was like i was have you
seen star wars those those
storm things those those those big um things that what they called um they have
wobbly legs and they
hit like logs robot things yeah the robot things that's how my leg was it was
it had nothing it was
just like a little dangling like so from my knee down the shin the tip fib it
just dangled
like there was nothing and i was like okay man this so it was worse after the
cleanup much worse like i was
done i went from running 200 miles so i did 240 mile race in in 2020 october
2020 it was moab went out
there got second place 62 hours knee was up getting it drained before the race
but i still ran 240 miles
literally five or six days before the race i'm getting it drained and it was a
baseball size
fucking um it's called a baker's assist so they drained it and i went in there
did the race finished
it and i was like okay here we go went on to do some more races i did like
another 200 miler
did a couple more races and then like i said cam came down but after that i
went and got this surgery
done and i went from running every day to now i have some fucking lates that
just dangles and
after that surgery this dangled and i was like okay man i'm just from that
little piece of
meniscus just that little piece of meniscus and i'm sitting there thinking okay
man
this is not this doesn't make any sense to me this there's something i don't
understand why i can't
i can't put any pressure on my leg the the amount of blood they were taking out
was was unbelievable
so there's the blood right there jesus christ that's the blood dude oh my god
it's one two three
four and you see the black blood yeah that is de-oxygenated blood so whatever
was going on
whatever the was going on that's why it looks different color so the red blood
is the
the blood that has oxygen that's right and that was just like coagulated just
fucked up blood yep jesus yeah so that so after surgery i'm like i'm like seven
seven days out or whatever
the it was like it once again i don't know the exact times but i have them in
the book i have
everything dialed in um i went back and i was like man i'm i'm up i mean it's a
simple meniscus
surgery man like people go back a week later they're playing two weeks three
weeks tops
i'm like man i'm never gonna run again i'm gonna walk with a limp so i'm going
back i'm getting
fucking like i'm literally getting my knee drained every week getting prp i'm
like man but in the back
of my mind i i know how far i can push myself i know my body so fucking well so
well and i'm like
this is um this is wrong i'm gonna i'm never gonna run again i'm never gonna
run again i walk with a
limp so this went off about six six months so i had the surgery done in february
it was uh february march
april may june about four months four months after surgery four or five months
i'm like hey jennifer
um i gotta find another that you know somebody else look at my knee so i try to
keep my together
but imagine when you go from every day of your life grinding and you go to
nothing like literally
like 90 minute surgery done that's crazy that it was just a little meniscus
scope 90 minute surgery
done and i was like okay man this is anyway so i found this guy named dr gamal
out of new york
and we fly there but i'm like he can't fix this man because i knew it was a lot
more than knees it was
this it was all kind of this up body and i am i walk in the office and he
decides to see me and me and
jennifer and they're jennifer's happy she's happy as it's like oh my god man
this guy's gonna be able
to get you a a meniscus replacement he was all kind of guru'd out but i'm a
realist bro i will push
myself and i'll go as far as i can but i also am a realist i also knew in the
back of my mind i'm not
gonna try to ruin your party jennifer that's what i'm saying myself but this
shit's done it's over so but i
went just to pretty much appease her and just see you know if there's anything
left so i walk in the
office and the doc's like uh yeah i'm looking at your x-rays and that's the
doctor who's like
i don't know how this is when the dr gamal look him up world renowned dude and
when this guy looked
at me straight faced he said man i don't know how you did anything with those
knees anything let alone
run 200 miles back to back 240 miles where the fuck you did i don't know how
you did it
and so i'm like okay whatever can we get it fixed and he didn't want to get
there because
he knew i was he's like no you know we we can maybe you know try and an unloader
brace
maybe an unloader brace will help you out what's an unloader brace so basically
my knee went in
on the meniscus side on the inside so it was like jamming on the inside so this
brace kind of like
it kind of helps realign the knee a little bit so then you cannot have so much
pressure on the inside
your leg so that's it right there one side yeah so basically i'm like man i'm
like okay i'm not
so this is all you have for me i'm like you can't do for me and he was like um
no
and he was walking out of the office and he could tell i was like i wasn't too
up but i was like
because i kind of was preparing myself for the next part of my journey i don't
like to lay in my
shit too long and i gave myself a couple minutes okay we got man to up we gotta
get back in this
like what's next you know let's go let's go see what you know let's go back to
college let's let's
do something because you're you're running and your athletic career is done so
he got to the door he
opened it and as he was literally he was shouldered out the door and i'm
looking at jennifer i'm like
well you know we'll go back to you know go back to nevada and start again and
he was like
okay try the unloader brace out and there's one more thing we could possibly do
for you
and i'm like motherfucker like get your little monkey ass back in here bro like
what is it
like like like what the is going on so he was like yeah there's this surgery
called hto
and he was like you can go in we can you know pretty much break your tibia it's
called high tibia
osteotomy they go in and they break your tibia they they they like slice into
it and they they
wedge it to the point where they realign your leg back up it's a very painful
surgery it's very
painful afterwards painful as fuck afterwards and they put that plate the plate
you saw
back on and then your leg is so so your knee is still where it was because this
doesn't get fixed
so it takes several months for that knee to start working that way back into
where that alignment is
so now my leg is just now so here it is see it on the image yeah so they take a
slice out of it
because it's deformed yep and that slice lowers the part that's deformed and
tries to make it a more
natural shape but you're still dealing with bone on bone so you're still deal
you're still dealing with
the pain of arthritis essentially because you do you have any cartilage in your
knees
not much not much at all if any so the thing about it it takes that pressure
off of that so it was
complete bone on bone right what that surgery does is it takes it over to the
lateral side so on the
outside so i have a nice meniscus over there that thing wasn't touched for
years because how i was
born all the pressure was on the uh my um medial meniscus so your knee had been
misaligned your
whole whole life that's what yeah that's my whole life has been up so my meniscus
on my lateral side is
pristine so now the way he did it is that all of my pressure is going on to
that pristine meniscus
okay so now it's all about getting that leg back aligned which is taking
forever and it's still not
aligned it's getting there it's getting yeah it's getting there can they do a
meniscus replacement
on you no so that's what i wanted to get done but if your knee is so far gone
like mine was
there was no option for that why is that because my knee was so far gone so it
was like when you
put that meniscus in there however it works he said it wouldn't have taken it
like basically yeah
we would have taken it but would have destroyed it because your leg is so your
knee is so up
so this was the only option for me don't they make like an artificial meniscus
now as well
yep and that's what this guy really is specializes in so he's he's like the guy
to go to for that stuff
what is an artificial meniscus consist of i guess it's just i have no idea i'm
not even gonna get into
that shit see if we can find out what that is because i got some up knees too
not like yours though
if i ever think about complaining i'll look at yours yes sir sir world's first
artificial meniscus
available in israel and there you go andreas gomal yeah there he is and so this
it looks like some
sort of a clear gel looking stuff and which is you know the the meniscus is
just a cushioning in
between the the two bones and the cartilage and this is uh oh look at that yep
hmm but they can't do that to you no you have to be a good candidate for that
so your knee has to be in
a certain certain condition and mine was not in that condition yes it was if if
you were a candidate for
that would they be able to do it and you'd be able to run or is that just like
to move around and walk from
what i read about you can you can run you can do everything you want to do but
sometimes if you
do a lot it wears it out so you can get a new one get a new one yeah that's not
that bad not that bad man
for you it doesn't work no because basically it wouldn't even work for me
because my knee was gone
but the way he reshaped it wouldn't that correct i mean he kind of like changed
your alignment of your
knee and made it more normal right i think it had he made it more normal but
from what i understand
if you put that in there structurally like structure wise what makes it more
normal is the
surgery he did so right now there's no bone on bone for me so there's no need
for that meniscus at
all so a lot of people get their meniscus taken out if you have the right
alignment and your body can
do what it's supposed to do really yeah but if you get your knee your meniscus
taken out you're just
cartilage on cartilage if you know um duane wade duane basketball player yeah i
believe duane wade
played years years if i'm correct with no meniscus yeah i think in both his
knees jesus yeah years he
had he ended up having like really bad knee problems but his meniscus was
messed up back in the day they
used to take it out so if you look here here it is when i was in college wow
surgery to remove the
meniscus in his left knee 11 years ago while he was at marquette led to ongoing
knee problems
he's had with miami heat i'm so glad that you have this thing to pull up jamie
because i would be
talking out my ass half the damn time that's what i do man you fucking fucking
square me away bro
knees are a problem man yeah and the fact that you require your knees to do
what you do like your your
whole thing is endurance athlete right and to be an endurance athlete you got
to be able to move your
legs gotta be able to move them but what i like about and this was this was
like literally a trained
skill for me was i'm i'm always preparing for like not being a bitch like a lot
of people get to a point
like for instance like if jennifer can't do something like if you know if if if
she can't go for a run or
whatever just like because she something's wrong like some simple it's gonna
bother her i got to
point my life where i realized this is life and so i move on past things real
quick so people like oh my
god what are you gonna do david if you can't run i'll swim or i'll go to
college or i'll do
something else this like like this isn't my life so i'm i'm i'm i'm very aware
how quick life can take
from you and i've always prepared my mind for the next chapter and what
happened with me was i started
this thing called front loading so when i was young i used to be a little piece
of you know like
oh i'm not good enough i can't do this i can't do that the second i got my head
out of my ass
and i realized man you can achieve a lot of if you get off your ass and you
start moving and you
start motivating yourself so i become a self-motivator so i started front
loading and front
loading these people you know you've done so much by 47 because i don't know
what tomorrow is going to
bring me so my my military resume is fat you know i did a lot in the military i
did a lot outside the
military i've i've i've made money i've i've done almost every race out there
hard race in the world
i've broken pull-up records i've done a lot of so when these bad times come and
also not like
like only that like work your ass off so so you can enjoy yeah you're taking a
shot you know you
you may not live to be old but what if you do and you worked your ass off when
you were able and you
were able to get up early able to grind if you front load it properly the back
half of your life is
money and that's what i did the second i realized that man you are a piece of
we got to get going
because at 47 man you're not gonna be able to do any of this 50 whatever you
are so i front
loaded so all these bad things have happened to me i sit back with man how are
you handling this so
well i've done it i front loaded i have the money i need to have the success i
need i have the
fucking the the determination the willpower and also the pride in myself so
when i wake up every morning
i know who the i am i front loaded perfectly so i don't care what's taken from
me
but it's got to still it's got to be a strange position to be in where your
body is your medium
the body is the vehicle for you to express yourself right and your body's
breaking down
and i know that they consider doing knee replacements on you too yep yep and
what was that
conversation like it was it was very basic man it's like hey you know you're
you're not gonna be able
to do some of the that you've done even though obviously people are but that
was a conversation
and i i know it sounds weird it was totally fine with me it was fine because i
had dude people
understand this this wasn't like a a part-time job man when you've done without
like kobe bryant
when kobe retired that last game he like 60 points or some he walked off the
court
he didn't cry he said my god i'm gonna miss the sport whatever he walked off he
gave he gave
everything he could man when you give what i've given and like to say oh you
you you don't no no which makes me who i am i've given everything people make
all you
you ran on up knees you taped your feet up you did blah blah you had two heart
surgery you kept on going
yep sure did i had somewhere to go i had somewhere to go and i got there
and buddy when tell you you can take a break now hey you're up as long as my
knees are halfway
work i got to run you're telling me maybe maybe a chance i can't run no more
hmm give me an excuse
to not do but as long as i have no excuse i gotta do it but i was i was happy
where i was i gave
everything i gave everything to who i am and that's why i'm people oh i don't
believe that don't don't
believe it i gave everything and when you get everything man you have no regret
people didn't
understand me people understand me now i don't give a fuck i know exactly what
i was doing i'm not a
masochist i'm not crazy i'm not this and that people try to title me and label
me no i had something
to do well the way i describe it to people when people ask me like why does he
do all these things
like what is it what is the motivation here i go he's on a mental journey that
very few people have
ever been on because the but people don't understand you they or they
misunderstand you or they purposely
misinterpret the way you're living your life you're trying to understand your
mind
in a way that very few human beings ever get to understand their mind because
you're taking your
mind into these terrible dark places all the time and you're trying to pull
things out of that you're
trying to learn things about yourself and about your potential from that that's
exactly it and that's
what people don't understand i studied the darkness you you you find no answers
in the light
none it's too happy it's too nice and we're not we don't need to be taught how
to live in happiness
that that just comes naturally to us happy moments but the dark times man you
can't and you can't get
there unless you put yourself there life will take you there but when you get
into those dark moments
that's what people that's why people how are you able man i couldn't read and
write till i was a junior
in high school how are you able to write like this man i go to such places in
my mind
and i studied the darkness like it's not just physical when i was growing up
and i saw my mom
getting beaten i got beat and i was some stuttering little black kid in all
white school and i'm on
stage and i gotta say one line one line in front of 15 people and i walk off
stage kind of stutter
all those insecurities and all those things man i used to go home and cry like
my god
man i'm up i'm just all up i i'm hang on man as i got older we gotta study this
man
the only way we're gonna get through this if we study it so every time i'm in a
dark moment
and life's up around me whether it be physical or just life
i get in it man with the pen and paper i'm like okay this sucks i can feel like
i'm losing my
ship let's study this let's come out of this genius you know i started i
studied the the the the black
matter of the mind the dark matter you know like Stephen hawkins that's if that's
his name i said
it right that that studied the space and yeah that's where i consider myself
man
you know i was on a journey just like you said i mean you you you couldn't have
said any better
and so many people get it wrong i don't give a man you can't for me i cannot
help people there's a lot
of cookie cutter out here in this world oh discipline wake up early take cold
shower
this that whatever it's all it's not but what they don't teach you
within the cookie cutter is like our minds are like a garage
and the garage if you open a garage and it's all cluttered up it's all up
you can't put your car in there you got boats and you got kids toys and
everywhere
but if you organize that garage and you put everything in this rightful spot
you can pull that car in there you can put two cars in there you put bikes in
there
and that's like with the mind people talk about discipline and determination
and
fucking you know repetitions and all this shit consistency why people fall off
the wagon so often
is because their mind is full of there's no room in that mind for discipline
there's no room for
consistency they may do it once or twice but then the mind takes over and that
cluttered garage
comes in and then it's like a circuit breaker man a circuit breaker just
overloads and it sparks
in our minds that's that's our mind man it's like a circuit breaker that's so
much in it you keep
unloading it you can't put any more into it so i've i talk about it in there
man so much about
clearing space in your mind so then you have room for all those discipline
waking up early taking those
because they they do mean something but we don't get to that dark matter that
is keeping you from
clearing out that mental garage that's a good way to put it because that is the
mind of most people
is filled with stuff that they have to move around to get to what they want and
it's constantly piling up and
shit unorganized and organized mind man you're looking at the fucking i gotta
take care of the
kids the kids schedules all up my husband my wife you know i'm i'm i'm going by
mcdonald's to get
this and i'm rushing my schedule everything's just i wish i was doing this but
i'm doing that that's
it and that and this i want to raise but i can't get one that's it i bought the
asshole where's
greatness in that man you can't you you can't fit discipline into that you can't
fit structure you
can't fit consistency you can't fit the grind and then when you try it just
gets it gets
fucking overrun by the clutter and you're fucked up mental garage when you are
in these dark places
and you're gathering up these lessons how difficult is it to try to bring that
back
and convey it to people when you're not in that space like when you're in that
space when you're
in the moab 240 and you're going uphill and you're in the middle of the grave
it's just deep suck right
how do you convey where that mental fortitude comes from how do you bring that
back it's almost
like you've got something you can't even hold in your hand right and you want
to show it to people
i take snapshots so every time i'm in a bad situation like you know i i study
it and that's
the only reason i do have the should i do is i'm studying this because i know
that i never thought
i was gonna be writing books and trying to help people get better but i'm i was
always trying to
do it because i knew i sucked and so when you know you're trying to get
somewhere you know you suck
you know that you you believe that you're a born loser you are taking snapshots
man like you know you
you see something on your phone like oh man i'm gonna take a snapshot of that
or however you do
the little picture so you can save it on your phone i do that in my mind so i
get in these moments
i'm like okay wow that's some good knowledge right there man i snapshot it
because i know that i can
use that later i can i can i can use this because i'm not out there just i'm
not most people they go
out and they run and they go out and do and they're like oh this is beautiful
look at the mountains
and the shit and all this no i don't like it my body hurts i'm hurting how do
we get through this
and it's a it's a it's it's a lab it's my mental lab and i and so when i come
home i'm not forgetting
it in the second like every day i get done running or every day i get through
working every day i get
through studying whatever it is that brings me to that place of knowledge i
come home and that book was
mostly written on a scratch piece of paper in hand so i come home from from
running and i write
everything out i write everything out all those things and as i'm running i'm
talking about it
so all these things that pop in my head as i continue to run i'm going through
it i'm starting
to layer it down i'm starting to break it down into okay that happened okay now
now let's layer this
because that's just not how it happened it just didn't happen that way what led
up to this and so
it becomes me by myself in school i'm literally going to school right now and i'm
learning so when
i come home i write it out and then i'm able to write out and i'm able to think
about it's okay
oh this is good this is this will help me later on and then it becomes what it
is now
and when you try to convey it to people what what do you when when you're
writing it out and when
you're talking about it what are you thinking are you thinking that this is
going to get into someone's
mind and this is going to help them motivate themselves are you just trying to
express
yourself and let them do with it what they can i'm them you're them i'm them i
and this
fucked up thing about me why i'm able to do it the way i'm able to do it i'm
not above them
i was never above them a lot of people write where they are they write where
they are oh yeah like
you right now writing you have a good life man you have a good life i don't
write from that place
i write from the place that i am the the the the place that created who i am i
go back to that
place i call it going back to scratch i can't write about david goggins now david
goggins now is a success
people want to get to be to feel whatever success is for them they want to feel
that so i can't write
it here at david goggins successful i must write at david goggins man i'm a i
don't feel good about
myself and every day i go through that journey so that's where it comes from it
comes from scratch
all that all my knowledge comes from going back to where
the real growth growth doesn't happen when you make it so far in life you make
it so high up the
whatever it is whatever you're trying to be there's no more growth there's
small growth
but you remember back when you try to become joe rogan you are now how much
growth was in that
tons of growth learning lessons learned so i go i always reveal that that's why
i'm a wildland firefighter
now why i'm a smoke jumper i don't need to do that at all but i don't learn
anything from where i'm at
now there's no knowledge up here the knowledge is down there in the muck so
that's where i write that's
where i go back that's where i learn i always go back to school i always go
back to the basics
i always go back to first grade and how much of that is tied to doing things
physically though
there's like there's a there's a certain kind of physical struggle that you go
through particularly
with what you excel at which is endurance athlete work when when there's a
mental and physical thing
that happens when the two of them are together it doesn't happen in anything
else like you can do
hard work hard mental work and it's very difficult and i'm sure you can learn a
lot from that right
but it doesn't have the physical pain that comes with the suck of endurance
work yes there's nothing
nothing in the world that you're able i'm able to get let's say that moab 240 i
was in 62 hours
fucking sucked it's just with blown out knees blown out knees literally that a
few days before the race
i'm getting drained before the race so that's in your mind man like it ain't
like oh i show up to
start line oh this is great i'm gonna have a good time out here no i'm thinking
all right let's have
my knees drained like i'm in pain at mile zero and that's in your brain i have
240 miles of head in
of me and there's nothing in life nothing in life this is why i love endurance
sports so much i love it
and i hate it it's a love-hate relationship 62 hours i equate that to seven
years of life
you can't get that man so what i know that ultra does for me is it packs in it
packs in
i can't i can't live several lifetimes i can't it's because the knowledge i
need to gain for this
life i live in today i need two or three or four lifetimes to be where i want
to go ultra gives it
to me in high definition real fast 62 hours you go out there and suffer you
come back oh that was 62
hours i gained seven years of knowledge the ups and downs the pain the
suffering the the you you learn
how to chunk this down like oh my god man i'm at mile 100 how the am i gonna
get to mile 118
everything becomes you you start to learn life out there and you learn so much
in such a condensed
period of time and nothing in the world can do it like pushing yourself to the
absolute limit i i i call
it like so people have talent people have a lot of talent and this is going
beyond your talent so when
talent when there's no more talent what happens to you most people quit people
only go to their talent
level and once your talent level is gone it becomes a mental game that the
whole mental game sets in then
and most people can only perform to their talent and they realize man why am i
always messing up
right here why why why is this like my big my big hurdle it's because you're
performing to your talent
and then after that your mind has nothing for you nothing for you i see i see
fighters i see runners i
see people who they're great but they get to the edge of their talent it's like
man what what's what's up
because you're now at the point now where your talent ain't gonna do for you my
friend
now it's the mental game and that's where people get lost in life get lost in
that next level and that
next level is found for me in the things that i do i'm just misunderstood that's
a giant problem with
fighters yep there's many fighters there's a talent problem elite level in the
gym but when they get tired
when they get pushed and when they get into that there's a when the world
starts narrowing and the
walls start closing in and they can't see peripherally anymore yep and they're
exhausted and they start
making mistakes so all of their understanding of what to do next gets clouded
because they're thinking
about quitting they're thinking about being exhausted when am i going to get a
break yep how much do i have
left in the tank can i even push forward here or will i gas out and risk
getting stopped and that is
exactly what you said goes on into the human mind yeah when talent when you
have a talent problem
yeah that's exactly what goes on your mind so how are you going to defeat that
bro
you're sitting there getting beat the down by a just on you
just throwing you down take down take down take down hit in the face hit in the
face
and all that's going through your mind is what you just said there's no
positivity in that but when
you train the mind the way i train mine ready man ready because first of all i
didn't have much talent
so i had to train one thing you better train your mind because my talents could
run out way early
when got hard for me back in the day bro i'm done i'm out see you okay i gotta
invent a that can
so i invented goggins i invented a that that realized we're not good enough
but goggins realizes we're mentally strong as and we're going to out strength
these in the mind
there's a big um under there's an understanding in fighting that sometimes
talent
is a curse because some people are very talented and they just don't work as
hard
you know uh khabib nirmagomedov talks about that right and he's one of the
greatest mixed martial
arts fighters of all time for sure one of the rare guys to retire undefeated
but he's like talented
guys don't work hard enough no he's like talented guys the problem with
talented guys is they can get
by early they're they're like faster than people maybe they just have a better
understanding or better
coordination some people just you know we're not even like people are not even
in their abilities
when it comes to sports some people are just very gifted yes but gifted
fighters in particular
they just there's something about it where a lot of them never realize their
full potential no
because they don't develop that mental game that you're talking about they don't
have to no because
they could piece people up on the outside they win fights easy they stop a
bunch of people in the
first round they look like a hero but then when someone comes along that can
survive that first round
and then start dragging them into hell that's right oh and that's what you said
you drag a
motherfucker into hell who's a fucking who's a demon yeah you're in a long long
race and they're hard
people with a talent problem who are so talented they're hard to train they're
hard to push if if
if you're their coach and you're trying to get them to see that we got to get
you past this talent
problem we got we got to get you to the point where you're into that mental
zone because we got to
get you way past your talent and it's hard for coaches to take these these
fighters or whoever
past your talent and on the other side of that is where they gain true true
levels the the levels
beyond talent that's that's where it really is because if you're able to take a
down to deep end
well just putting his toe in fuel in the water and if the mother's in the deep
end he
able to take you down there and he's mentally strong it's over it's over man
they could because
they because they live in the deep end they live in it man they thrive in it it's
almost like you
have to have the ability to go to the deep end no matter whether or not you'll
ever go there
right yes and some people are like well i'm never going to go to the deep end
but you should be able
to yes a hundred percent you have to be trained to do it you have to be trained
for it for when that
time comes you're like okay i'm deep in qualified yeah i am deep in qualified i
got my deep in
certification but you know what's interesting about this book is you talk about
how there was moments even
though you're clearly deep in qualified clearly deep in certified sir you took
some time and you hadn't
been a deep end for a while and you're kind of a part-time savage now that's
right this is kind of
bullshit and you're recognizing it in yourself even though you know your
ability you know your history
you know what you've been capable of doing in the past you're like but i haven't
been there nope
i've been there in a while and you had to go back what's funny about that part-time
savage thing in there
man where i totally dogged myself because the truth um all this became nice
waking up
bacon and eggs motherfucking protein shake early morning and i stopped having
those hard conversations with myself boy my whole life that's why my first hate
my ass boy
because i'm hard on me if i'm hard on me i don't give a about you i don't give
a about what you don't
give me think about me nothing else hard on myself bro every morning i woke up
all right
i call it my morning meeting my morning meeting we all have these meetings all
day
long you know we go to work we're working for somebody else they want a meeting
because
they want to be successful so we all sit our ass down try to make them better
try to make
them more money try to make them more powerful we don't do that for ourselves
every morning i wake
up i used to i i had to get back into it again because in that chapter you see
i became a little
pitch that morning meeting i wake up okay goggins what did you do up yesterday
where were you at and i just go through and analyze my life and then i went
through a period of time
there man where i stopped having those conversations you know how you let's say
you and your wife go out
let's say i don't i don't know i'm just making up a story here you and your
wife go out and you see
your cousin and your cousin's fat as i don't know i don't know they are not
hopefully not if they are
apologize maybe so they go out and you see your cousin she's fat as he's fat as
whoever
and you guys get back in the car and you guys man you see mary joe how fat she
was
that's what we do we go back and the hard conversation that you should be
having a mary joe
hey mary joe you gained some weight huh sister kind of big that's what i do to
myself a lot of
people that we see all day long we see them you don't have the hard
conversation with we we walk
around i'd rather you hate me and get better than like me and stay the same and
that's how i feel about
david goggins i whether me hate oh i hate you david man i hate you david but i
get better from it i get
better from it and that's why when people see me and i know you you're you're
in my little foxhole
if you're in my foxhole and you become a piece of hey come here brother let me
talk to you real quick
brother people don't like that man but i'm not going to allow you to go to a
place that's going to be
hard to get out of it's gonna be hard if i allow you gain five more pounds or
allow you to take four
more days off of school or like to keep on procrastinating in your life and i
see it and
i tell jennifer behind your back i'm doing you no justice zero justice so where
this world is now
you can't say a motherfucking thing i do i still do and i always will don't
like me don't like me
i'm good with that that's exactly what's going on with like fat models that's
it i'm proud like
you're beautiful no matter what but that's not true and the thing about it is i
have no problem if you
want to be fat i have no problem with anybody if you want to be whatever the
you want to be
but make sure you if you're fat go go be fat go be real fat but let's be real
nobody wants to be
nobody does that's why i said it man nobody does it's not true they will
pretend i'm fine with it
but if i could give you a button that you could push and poink be skinny all of
a sudden you'd have
this incredible body yep take everybody would push that button but what happens
is now we get in this
world where it gets hard yeah and so the harder it is the more you start to
push back
and the more you push back and then it's not right for people to talk about it's
not right for
like let's say you are fat i was fat that's why i talk about it go ahead and
say something
motherfucker i was fat too and it was hard as every day to get up i know what
it feels like
when you roll your fat ass out of bed and all you want is some damn cinnamon
buns and
shit and chuck chuck and milkshake i know what it is i know exactly this but i
can't want it more than you
and so many people just want it the easy way it i'm sorry man it's not so what
they start to do
is they build this narrative of it's okay when the narrative should be you need
to work harder
you need to discipline your mind better we need to help people more than just
saying it's okay
it's okay that you're not willing to help yourself out that's not okay
it's not okay it's not acceptable even though it's your life if that's if if
that's acceptable that's
unacceptable and there's a lot of people in this world me included that if i
accepted that i wouldn't
be anywhere so yeah a lot of people just they they start creating a narrative
about themselves that
make it okay the ultimate get out of jail free card and now the world is set up
to have so many
get out of jail free cards everything is okay and you can't say a motherfucking
thing about it
this is what it's interesting though is that when you're talking about how you
had to come to this
realization that you'd become a part-time savage yep this isn't recently yeah
that's uh you're looking
at 2000 no it's not 2018 yeah yeah 2018 not that long ago no no no yeah so even
though you've been
through all those things and you have all this information in your head it's
like there's no rest no
you never get a chance and if you do take a little time and start enjoying it
all of a sudden that general
in the back of your head is like hey hey look what you're doing exactly you're
being a little
and so in your mind you had gotten soft oh 100 and my softness was still two
days
so if you look in there two days was you being soft my part-time savage was me
running like 50 miles a
week me not you know because what i used to do and what i do now is i got to a
point i'd be running
and i was like okay man we could do 10 miles today i get i get to 10 miles but
oh no motherfucker
that demon that i let out every morning that walks the streets at night
he comes saying oh not today man there's somebody out there that you don't know
you have never met in your entire life that is doing 12 13 14 you're gonna do
another one
and when you meet them you ain't gonna be ready so goggins kept on running so
you talk about that
and uh you talk about how cam came to visit you in vegas and give you a spot
check oh yeah oh yeah
i'm always ready for a like cam i'm always ready for my like cam so i don't
know where dude this guy
calls me literally and this is one thing about life this is why you always must
be ready
always be ready never get ready people go oh hey what are you training for david
i ain't training for when something pops up i'll be ready so when cam popped
the up
and cam calls hey man i'm gonna be in uh las vegas you gonna go for a run sure
do
sure do brother sure do while the run sucked i was ready well you guys were
doing like six minute
miles for like 26 miles it was it was 20 miles and jennifer was with us and so
jennifer can run
her ass off she's fast as so we went out but she's not a six minute mile runner
so we went out for
the first 10 and jennifer was with us she was with us for the first seven she
turned around i think
she's like 15 miles so me and cam went out after we left jennifer she went back
for another three to
go out and get 10 and come back to him but my whole idea was i know the course
bitch i'm about to drop
your fucking ass motherfucker so we go out because because going out is a
little bit um as oh of course
i think it was a little bit uphill no a little bit downhill a little bit
downhill so a little bit
downhill so we turn on 10 mile mark come back and i could tell cam was hurting
boy but cam's a prideful
motherfucker dude prideful love that dude so we get to about mile 16 17 and i
could tell now
he kind of comes off my shoulder slightly and i'm like oh chink in the armor i
feel it you know you're
always kind of looking at you know i you know out of your peripheral vision but
i'm like this is a
prideful motherfucker man and we keep on going man holding sixes we get to
about mile 18 i look
cam's right back on the shoulder and i just smiled i said you are exactly who
the i thought
you were a motherfucker and so we went out tested each other man good day went
to the gym worked out
hard we ain't got some same day saying oh we worked it out dude whenever we
meet him together
you can guarantee it's gonna be two people that love each other but are waiting
for the other
to break a hundred percent dude it's like this thing in the back of your head
okay maybe this will
break them maybe this will break them so we haven't broken each other yet but i'm
sure the day will come
so so you run 20 miles and then lift weights but see lifting weights people
like people don't get it
man it's not like lifting weights it's like you know we go and do like so many
reps like people go oh
you're only doing um it was like 90 some pounds on the incline motherfucker do
five sets of 25
with a super set of push-ups super set of curls super set of pull-ups super set
of triceps
super set of what the else was i forget it's a super set man so we're going
through lifting
lightweight but for massive massive amounts of reps and so you're like totally
swollen and like it's
just the the some of the best workouts in the world between me and him some of
the best workouts in
the world man and then you had steak and then we had steak that's right and
then i treat cancer steak
right and that's a mental aid station mental oh yes mental aid stations baby
i think one of the most important parts about the way you express yourself in
your books is that you
do talk about your weaknesses and you do talk about your past and how you
started off on this journey
and you talk about how there are those moments that you doubt oh yeah and you
but you still go oh yeah
sometimes like you know i call it uh you gotta call an audible you know the
line of scrimmage man like
some of the great quarterbacks they'll be at the line of scrimmage and they'll
look at the defense
the defense is oh defense is shifting did he call an audible in my mind a lot
of times man i'm like
it doesn't mean i quit yeah i don't quit you know i may not make it the first
time but i'll come back
i gotta call an audible i gotta i gotta i gotta get my head back in the game i
gotta i gotta figure
this out it doesn't mean you leave it means you study it more it means you
study it more and and
whenever i feel that something people i say man how do you handle failure man i
feel a lot dude
i feel all the time they go how do you handle it what i'm trying to do and this
isn't being arrogant
man i i it's being real not many people are trying to do so there's not many
people who can even open
their mouth and criticize me when i do fail because i'm on i'm i'm trying to do
man that many people
aren't trying to do but i don't look at failure as failure i look at failure as
your first second
third fourth fifth attempt i look at them as attempts i don't look at anything
as failure
because when you're going to try to do something not trying is failure that's
that's and that's
not some after school special but when you're able to go out there there's no
failure
it's attempts because when you're trying to do something that's bigger than you
whatever you are
whoever you are if if if you're paralyzed you're trying to walk one step and
you didn't you didn't
fail that was your first attempt if that's your biggest thing that's how your
mindset needs to go
into everything so i don't look at it as failure is a big word like that gets
people down and we give
so much power to words i don't i take the power right away i didn't feel do you
ever have conversations
with cam about mindset we no we we really don't go there too much at all about
mindset like whenever
we get together it's really about breaking the down like it's like it's like
but wouldn't you be
interested though in how he approached because i don't know if everybody shares
your approach i know
there's not very many people like you right cam is one of them right so like
how many of them are like
you and how many of them have that sort of similar approach and how many of
them are willing to
discuss their own demons because a lot of people that are like super endurance
athletes are very hard
people they don't ever want to even discuss the weakness they don't want to
shine any light on it no
people hate that yeah people hate it man and i love it and the reason people
hate it to me this is just my
own theory is because you haven't beat it that's why people go man why are you
so open and vulnerable
i'll tell you everything i lied about everything i fucked up with everything i'll
tell you everything
i'm an open book i don't give a fuck the only reason why i don't give a anymore
is because
i overcame it and i beat it so i'm going to talk about it why most people aren't
willing to go to that
darkness and that vulnerability is because they're still dealing with it when
people who have
overcome it they're open book bro because they're proud they're proud that's
why i speak man man why
are you always yelling guys you that's how i talk because i'm proud you know
what i'm saying i'm
a proud man yeah it's not proud like look at me it's like i know where i came
from
i shouldn't be here right now talking to you shouldn't be talking to you i
shouldn't be
i'm just a fat sloppy motherfucker i'm proud so i'm able to tell you i was
fucked up many people can't
because you know that's a common thing that people say when i interview them
after fights like i'm not
supposed to be here this is not supposed to happen to me all right there's a
common thing when i've had
conversations with people and they you know they've won a big fight they've had
this big event
right they they say i wasn't supposed to be here right statistically like chris
gutierrez just said
that uh last ufc fight when i interviewed him it's like i'm not supposed to be
here right probably
because they come from a bad place exactly you know they and when you're in the
back especially when
you're young you know redevelop self-esteem you know by the age of seven if you're
if if you're not good
by the age of seven or eight years old you have a good chance of being the rest
of your life yeah
so if your parents or or you came up wrong and then seven or eight if you don't
have the self-esteem but
you grind you're like i want to be better when you get to that ufc championship
or you get to where
where i got or or where i am it's almost like you can't believe the journey
like i talked about in
that vfw and i'm in the first chapter of that book man i'm sitting in that
audience with all those
people and i'm about to get the you know americanism award and i was grinding
so hard i never took time
to reflect on my life and this was like time to reflect and i was all kind of
up i got on stage
man just cried for like 59 seconds and it was such an emotional moment for me
that i
that i did what i did and i overcame it and it was it was alone man you know a
lot of people have
like teammates and like you know family pushed my my mom was struggling bro she
was struggling so it
was like me my mom and so it was a lot of just me so when you're waking up
every morning by yourself
and you're getting after it by yourself and and it's the it's the hidden work
people see one minute you know video of me running and and like and like these
fighters you know
they they see during the fighter after the fight they don't see these motherfuckers
man what they deal
with every day i'm not good enough i'm not good enough i shouldn't be here i
shouldn't be here
because every day even though they're the best in the world that little at
seven or eight
years old is still in there saying oh man we don't we don't have something we're
not good enough
we're not we shouldn't be here so you're always fighting that even though you
beat it you never truly beat it so when they get on stage and they're talking
to joe rogan
it's just it's uh it's not even real it's not even real all those mornings that
you don't want
to get up and and i look at it as like a rock and you find this rock and that
rock is you
and every day you fight not wanting to get up and you do anyway you chip
another piece
off that rock and every day you eat the right foods and every day you go to
train
you train harder and harder and harder and harder and you get up earlier and
all these things you do
to start forming yourself you're chipping another piece of that rock off before
you know it
you have this beautiful piece of of of artwork that that you built but people
don't and then
once you get there you see it it becomes real like oh my god i did this and so
like the the journey becomes so real then but so many people aren't willing to
chip away
at that stone that is them to start chipping off those rough edges that's the
fear the fear is
never reaching your potential that's it that always falling short always
quitting before you're done
always procrastinating always not doing the right thing and then one day you're
an old man
yep and you look back and go god i could have been great yep it could have been
great i never forget one
time i was running by a graveyard when i was just trying to become i was fat
and i ran by a graveyard and
i looked out there and i have all these epiphanies man i have all these moments
of like
of it's crazy man of this thought because i'm always by myself i'm always in
deep
fucking thought about how to be better and i look out there i'm like man i
wonder how many of you
motherfuckers in there
fucking just are so upset with how you lived your life
and fucking just regret how you lived it and i'm running at 300 pound man
thinking man
don't die like this bro don't die like this so people wonder where this comes
from from me
it comes from such deep thought of trying to see what this is all about what is
this life all about
what am i all about why am i here you know i had i had to find purpose and
my suffering it had a purpose it had a purpose do you talk to other people that
are like you
and try to understand if they're going through the same thing are they trying
to gather knowledge as
well are they just doing it because they're addicted to runner's high are they
doing it because
they enjoy the challenge like how many people do you talk to that are like you
i've never talked to
anyone that and most people don't even believe what i say half the time that i
i i do it to
gain knowledge and all that i haven't met one that goes out there people really
enjoy
a lot of the that they do like like they i don't know many people can go out
and run 240 miles at
one time if you don't enjoy it if if you just don't really enjoy it so you know
i i had
many people build confidence in different ways and they build belief in
different ways coming from
where i came from i didn't have any belief in myself so some people can go read
a book and get belief
some people can go take a yoga class have good parents i had to put myself so
where i came from
was so far down underneath like soil that i had to build belief by truly ingraining
it in my brain
so the things i do i'm always every day building belief in my belief had to be
where it is because i was so
far down so it may take a 200 mile run for me it may take a hundred mile run it
may take
late nights in the gym but without belief you have nothing and i realized that
when i was a young kid
i have no belief i have to build it and a five mile run didn't do it i had to
push myself to such
extremes because i came some people judge me by not knowing where i came from
so unless you're me and
you came from where i came from i guarantee you wouldn't have made it out
guarantee it and i knew
that so my belief comes from going i had to build it and that's how i build it
man i build it by the
things i do it's so painful reading about your childhood and the experiences
with your father
and then when you went back and met your father as an adult and got with him
and watched him get drunk and
then watch him get belligerent and and experience it all over again
and then think about what happened to him to make him who he is yeah that me up
dude but i had to go like
i realized i was i was just a sorry you know i quit pararescue i was afraid of
the water every time got hard like i said i didn't have talent you know i didn't
have
shit whenever shit got hard for me i thought i was on my way out and i got
sucked back in
i become i become a loser again real quick and i see him all the time there's a
lot of losers out
here that won't face it i was like oh man you gotta go back and visit this i
haven't
seen my dad in years man years but i knew where i came from i knew where my
mindset came from i knew where my
demons were so my whole idea when i went back to see my dad was i was hoping
that i could just
fucking call myself illusion it's because of you dad so i was hoping to go back
and get the
confirmation that i always wanted that wasn't my fault that voice in my head
was so loud it's not
your fault david it's not your fault you can't read and write it's not your
fault that people call
you fucking nigger it's not your fault it's not your fault this not your fault
that it's not your
fault that you're fat it's not your fault that you're that that you quit it's
not your fault
so i was like okay man i'm gonna go back visit this so i can just squash it and
i can
just go on and be a loser because you me up and i got there i went drove to
buffalo
saw my dad same routine as it was when i was eight years old man
walked in what's up went to skate land i sat in that couch that he would cheat
on my mom with
and i sat on that couch in the corner and i was like god what the man it was a
whole normal day
and the more i was around him he started now he started getting drunk and and i
won't go through
the whole thing but i started seeing man i started having a conference i always
had these conversations
with myself like man this motherfucker he came from hell his dad would put him
in front of a furnace
and like if he moved he'd get burnt so when when my dad got beat um his dad
would put him from a
furnace and if he would have moved he'd get burnt up so my dad said to sit
there and take it so he never
dealt with his demons so his demons became mine his demons became mine
motherfuckers think you die and and the demon goes with you man don't be a fool
bro
you know like that's why i'm proud of myself i took his demons and mine
and people are always looking for some great apology you know oh my god like
um you know my dad needs to say sorry or people who called you out your name or
nobody gonna come back and say sorry to you and nobody's saying to you
you better man to up so i looked at him he didn't face his demons but i'm gonna
face mine
so that drive back home that's what i started doing you know what's one of the
most most up
things that i've learned over time is that almost all like truly exceptional
and mentally strong people
have been through hell it's it's very few that put themselves through hell when
life is great
it's just not usually the case right and to to achieve the the standards that
you've achieved to
achieve the become the person that you are today and to have the influence that
you have this global
influence on people do many people have laced up their shoes because they heard
your voice how many
people have just moved into action and changed their life because they've heard
you talk or seen you talk
it's there's there's a thing that happened and it happened out of hell and i
don't think it ever
happens without that it's like you had to go through that in order to empower
all these other people
in order to become who you are and that as an example and then your words as an
example and your
describing of it and then your description of your own shortcomings and
failures that give people confidence
that you it's not like you're this superhuman person that is like a character
in a book right now
you're a real human being who has real insecurities and real failures in your
past and and real
demons and you figured out a way to harness that energy and just keep going
forward yep and not quit
that's it that's right i mean there there are no timeouts you know people like
i you know there's a
part in the book that i talk about a prisoner mind and that's about my mother
and you know she just um
that's i would never listen to that part again that book that was hard just so
you know man like i will
never again listen to that your mother's very very very brave oh to be able to
talk like that
to be able to um to be able to talk like that um to the world and to to just
she lost her life she lost
this giant chunk of her life with this abusive man and to hear her talking
about him hitting her and what
it was like and the fact that she never came from a family that hit her she had
never been hit before
never and to to have her express it the way she did so honestly and openly it's
very powerful and
the whole time she's talking man she's on the cusp of like losing it like i'm
in the other room so i'm i'm
interviewing her and i'm hearing this so i i knew a lot about it obviously i
lived it and that's what
me up the most man when you see like i said i wasn't a smart kid growing up but
who would ever made me
whatever the made me i'm so my mind is sharp man like it's it's crazy like i
guess i was so aware
of so much i was so bright in that way and to see your mom go through that as
that
young kid and like i was going through it and she was going through right
beside me
like when i got my ass beat she got her ass beat it was it's up man like you
you just can't
you know people you know people like to judge who you are man why are you cuss
so much man my life
wasn't pg motherfucker like you know you can't just turn who the you are off
when you see your
mom going with that kind of and then i'm coming to her defense at seven or
eight years
old and she's getting her ass beat by a 220 pound man and i'm some little kid
no kind of courage it takes to muster that up to go help her out and see her up
like that
and the time she would cry and be bruised up and it was just it was a it was a
nightmare
and then hear her talk about it like the part where my dad says i brought this
belt from texas
this belt came all the way from texas whip your ass with all right it was like
what the like
where am i at right now can i knew no other households right we're living like
this man
i and and i knew it i knew it and then she was shut off she was shut off from
the world and
when i wrote can't hurt me she refused she said don't put my in there
she was so embarrassed you know like like i put in there man she married a
prisoner
so my mom was so up she was so up by this and people go
if you go man you're a mama's boy i ain't no mama's boy man
see your mom go through this you can make sure she's taken care of
so she came out and one of the people that you know she she got married a few
times because she was
looking for something that my dad stripped from her and she was out she was
gone for years
she's just not coming back she's 70 she's 75 and but in that book i talk about
man she's like don't
don't put that you know and can't hurt me but now she's getting better and she's
allowing me more to
talk more about my life which was also some of her life the part about marrying
a prisoner is so crazy
dude it was a but not just a prisoner but a prisoner who killed a woman dude
this
so it was so up it's hard for me to talk about because it's almost like it
i was i had a front row seat at a horror show so when my mom left my dad she
went to wilmoth and he
got murdered i talked about that can't hurt me he got murdered so that took her
all the way over there
i mean he got shot six times in the last shot this got right up on his head and
made
sure he was dead like forehead shot and so she didn't cry
she didn't cry she's lost it was over she a whole other person became
and so i'm now like 12 13 14 whatever i was i'm watching this woman every day
front row seat just watching her just go through life up and then i'm about to
go in the military
into the air force and like two years out man you know i'm like a sophomore in
high school
phone's ringing every night she tell me don't get on the phone don't get on the
phone don't get on the
phone 15 minute calls hang up 15 minute call hang up 15 minute call hang up
what the is going on
but see the way i was growing like the way i was raised you don't ask your mom
what's going on
it ain't like now like conversations and with the parents you shut the up
and that's i didn't ask but i knew something was because like three four hours
a night
15 minute hang up because he was in prison this guy was in prison so he only
had 15 minutes on the
phone they had to put more money in it how did you meet him she started working
so
she was always about helping people out but the thing about it was
like i was right in front of her and needed so much help and i was up for me
for a long time
but she helped out so many people but i guess since i was with her through the
journey
i just i didn't count but it's all good man it's what life's about you got to
understand what your
mom went through so that i can be good with it you know like i saw that so i
had a man up a lot more
than what so she saw people needed help so she started teaching in the prison
so she had a full-time
job at the at de paul university in greencastle in the end and then she started
teaching
in a prison and she met this prisoner this prisoner obviously i don't know slitter
a note or some
like that and you know she was looking for anything she was looking for anybody
that loved her because
my dad beat the life out of her and and my dad so my dad wouldn't marry my mom
but ended up marrying a woman um that was tied to like i'm not even gonna go
there i'm not trying
to get sued and right now man but he he married somebody that was up that's up
so
anyway um she she she met him in prison and um the phone was ringing every
night she didn't tell me
about it because i could tell your son hey david um i'm i'm i'm in love with
the prisoner
so before i go murdered a woman oh no i'm about to get to that brother so i'm
now about a week out
or whatever the was from leaving for boot camp and she lets me know what's up
and so i'm about to leave for boot camp and i'm so protective of my mom and she
lays this on me
yeah um sit down let me let's have a talk and she never does this man she's
like there was nothing
ever hidden from me that's why i grew up so fast like that abusive life and
what she was going
through it was front and center her being broke everything this was the only
secret she kept from
me she was um those phone calls you know i've been uh seeing someone in prison
all right cool whatever i'm thinking what the is this man so you know i hate it
i didn't want to ask
how the do you get to prison so i'm sitting there i'm sitting there and i'm
like okay man i gotta
ask this question how the you know what happened you know she's like well
does one of those things you know because she knows it's bad well he was into
drugs and stuff
like that i'm thinking okay maybe drug dealer something like that he was in the
drugs that's
for sure but he literally i don't know how it went down but he choked a woman
to death
over some drugs and i don't know the ins and outs of all this other and um that's
who she was gonna
be with and he was getting out of prison literally in a few weeks after i was
going to air force boot
camp so i'm in air force boot camp thinking about my mom's about to marry a
dude who got sent to prison
marry him right away too right away so the first time i meet this dude is at my
air force graduation
my air force graduation and she was like you ain't putting that that can't hurt
me
she was embarrassed about it and then she saw how i went totally like
vulnerable
and she was like it go ahead so this is so much more to it but he ended up um
uh i think it was last year or maybe this year he od'd so my mom divorced him
obviously after it
it didn't work out and she was telling me a story one time we were talking
about this book
she started opening more up about the relationship with this uh with this
prisoner and she said one
night they got into a fight you know not not physical no he never hit her like
like my dad did so many
times but he said one night she was sleeping and had her back to him and all
she thought about all
fucking night was because she started slowly realizing like i'm up like i just
married a
fucking guy from prison that killed somebody and she started realizing it more
and more but she's laying in
bed and she would and she was like is this gonna kill me tonight and she
started telling me these
fucking stories man and i'm like and i'm just like what the man like like you
know it's just it
it was tough it was it was a tough way to grow up man it was a tough way to
grow up so
yeah he ended up um so they got divorced uh i think it worked maybe two years
whatever it was whatever
it doesn't matter and then um i think he od'd last year he od'd last year
killed himself i don't know
he killed himself he's od'd so the the idea of you going off to boot camp
knowing that your mom's going
to be alone with this guy getting out of prison yeah that must have been
haunting it me up every
night oh my god every night i'm i'm sitting in the in my bunk thinking and then
i i i knew the date
he was getting out of prison and like you know you can't just get on the phone
and call hey mom what's
going on you know no you're in boot camp you get like every now and then they
say okay you have
like a phone call once a week or some i think every sunday was a phone call and
i'll never forget when
he got to the house man i actually got i was not right so i got recycled so a
week in boot camp so
like i i don't know i did something in boot camp and got recycled had like i
was sneaking the snickers
bars i was just all kind of belligerent and i was just out of it i was i was
sneaking out
and this i was just not right i was wasn't right and so then i um yeah that's
it was up
it was it's up it wasn't like when you met him
i tried to be supportive because that's what i always did my mom would ever
make her happy i tried
to that was my number one priority was i i never cared about myself never never
ever which makes
what i do now for people yeah i understand because i care about people even
though i'm an introvert i'm
an intro because my life sucked but what i do for people i really do that's why
i want to make sure
that fucking like that that book and things i do that's why i don't like why
don't you sell
why don't you always you know why aren't you like promoting this and that and
no man no i care that you
understand that i fucking want to see you fucking kill i want to see you better
so you know when i met him i was supportive and i was and i sat back and looked
at him
and i wanted to fucking beat this down so bad because i knew like you're not a
good egg bro
you're not a good egg man i'm not saying yeah i mean you know i'm not saying
prisoners are bad
they can be rehabilitated but i always had these feelings about people if i get
around you i can
i i mean i tell you but when you grow up the way i grow up man you have this
you have these ways of
knowing pieces of i became an expert in pieces of i used to be one my dad was
one
so you can pick them out you can pick out liars and all kind of con artists
from a from a mile
away because i studied it studied myself i know who you are so you can't come
around me me man
can't right so it is it was horrible it was horrible so you know like the the
one woman i cared about
more than anything in the world because i saw her hell i'm looking at this now
and now i'm have to go
to fucking pararescue school and all this other while she's with this guy so
there are a lot of things in my mind that that just made it hard that i studied
i studied my mind during these times i started and this this process to become
who am today
of learning life and how hard life is that's why i don't speak about the good
times everybody gets
so man why don't you speak about the good times i don't need to help you
through those brother
i do not need to help you you don't turn on david goggins
for the good times you turn on david goggins when you don't feel like doing
shit you're an expert in dark matter dark motherfucking matter that's what i am
so yeah i know it really well so it wasn't like i wished for it one of the
things that's hilarious in
the book is that you you read all the shit that people write to you all the
hate
and you record it and then you play back brother i'm gonna tell you right now
man
that started honestly when this fucking seal from still team six
came out and started lying his ass off about me this is an important subject we
should talk about this
because your military career and the what you've done is always misrepresented
oh yeah
even by people that should know better oh yeah oh they know better but what
what makes people feel good
like when when you become successful when you become successful and i had to
realize this and this guy
made me realize this i had to study them when you become successful especially
within a fraternity
like that like this is this is a fraternity bro this isn't like a like oh like
in the air force you
know it was this is a very different world so several seals now i'm gonna say
that there's a lot
that would like to see me a lot they like see a lot of people not do well and
them do great
yeah and like they all know we eat our own we eat our own and that's what they
all say we eat our own
is that all seals i don't know all seals a lot of seals i can't speak that way
i know a few seals
is it just the hyper competitive nature is that people to get involved yeah it's
like you know
we have this this uh this this this mancho stigma that you know like you know
we're
we're the best of the best we're we're we're the best in the world and and i i
beg to differ
you know like people go like i've had so many people in art like the news oh my
god they contact
me all they want me so bad because there's been some things that came up you
know navy so community
um this guy died this kid going through training died and some navy seals i don't
know the stories
they can google it where the i guess they killed somebody over in iraq who has
some information
some so they always want to get me on so i can because because they know that i
was not a fan
of a lot of navy seals and a lot of it is to do with the lies the some of the
leadership problems
some of the character issues and i got to see that a lot when i got out and i'm
the one to say it i had
a lot of problems myself when i was growing up it took a long time for me to go
so i'm not judging
these people i know where this comes from man the comes from you haven't
handled so i it doesn't
even bother me anymore but when i came out um in 2018 this this seal from seal
team six
he had and jennifer pissed jennifer off so bad and i was cool about it but this
guy started youtube
channels saying that i was dishonorably discharged i was kicked out of the seal
teams
i um i refused to fight in combat i never went to combat i mean every bit of it
so the reason why
in my and can't hurt me i have my write-up of my medal from iraq and i wasn't
gonna put that in there
but jennifer started getting dms from people saying do you know i'm not gonna i'm
not even gonna name
his name that's not who i am dude and i just showed you outside about that one
cat yeah i'm not gonna
name his name either but i'm not gonna name his name because how does he not
know better though
that's the the the that was one of the things that people bring up that you
never deployed right
yep but why would they say that why do you think joe think about it man
think about it see like this but that's something that's easily proven exactly
but guess what
this guy had black ops literally he was he was he had like youtube channels dming
people because
people like at this time i started getting a little bigger i started getting a
little more profile
and he was coming out of the seal teams and i'm not gonna say his name because
i'm not gonna
try to take food out of his mouth and this is one thing i learned from all of
this i had to i was so
pissed man i was so pissed i didn't deploy i mean the lies were insane how many
times did you deploy
twice one to guam and one to iraq and then what they don't talk about though is
the reason i didn't
deploy more is i had two heart surgeries so i was out of the teens for
deploying for like three four
years because the heart surgeries because when you get a heart so you can't go
back to the point you
were born with like holes right with a hole in my heart and the first surgery
it didn't you know it
didn't take so i'd get another surgery so that took so much time having these
heart surgeries so i was
in um recruiting at the time so this kept me in recruiting so this even added
to the whole this
added to the whole so they were loving it because right now like i said i
wouldn't like the most famous
seal within the seal teams i didn't take man if she was up i called it i called
it there's there's no
secret there there's no secret here man and and and i knew what happened when i
when i got out
and this guy started doing this and i i knew why he was doing it because the
biggest
thing like he wanted to take my character and destroy it right that's what i
want to do
and so when you're in in these kind of communities like this man people like oh
no there's no way he
was trying to do that man i was saying get jennifer here right now we have all
the screenshots and i
had to get a lawyer i mean this guy went so far and then what happened was over
a period of time
he literally apologized went away took all this down i mean but he came out and
but what happened was that
rumor mill spread like wildfire did he have to know did he have to be told
about your actual record no he
knew it never i deployed with him what i deployed with him in iraq no in iraq
he was just lying in iraq
i deployed with him in the only see man you're gonna get me to the point where
i say his name because i swear to god
so i deployed with his ass that's why i put the write-up
in there so i got a medal over there in iraq i got a medal in iraq so i did go
to war
and i put it in the book because when because jennifer started getting all this
and she goes
you got to put that award in there because this is just lying his off
i didn't go to ranger school all the so i put the ranger school everything he
said
i put in can't hurt me because he was just literally lying trying to literally
ruin who i was because i'm the world's toughest man
that doesn't sit right with some alpha dude and these do some of them
and you don't know unless you've been in the fraternity like this
unless you've been in a fraternity like this you don't know and i don't care
about them
there's some i have some great friends in there but anyway the reason this guy
actually helped me
out so when i came out there's a few guys in that came after me in the seal
teams trying to make sure
that i wasn't going to be who i am and they still talk their lies lies so many
lies dude
it was great about is my proof isn't can't hurt me so everything they say my
proof is in it and that's
why it's designed that way for the liars but this guy came out and what i do is
i studied him
so jennifer got a lawyer i'm about to sue the out of this guy man like i had
all this defamation
i mean it was a thick i was going to sue the out of him and every night i woke
up
i was like man i started thinking about myself when i was a piece of but i had
no character and i had
no pride no dignity that's because only people that do like that you're not a
man right
you're no man dude like i started thinking about what kind of you are man
what how you must have so many demons in your life that you spend this kind of
time
just trying to take another just trying to take another man and not it'd be
different if it was
truth behind it right lies lies yeah just because we didn't get along it don't
mean
i wasn't who i am we didn't get along because i'm like a lie detector
because i'm so honest with myself i had such a hard time in my life that i so
forthright
when you get even near me because i you know my is real it's real as it makes
you feel bad
if you got something going on in your life i ain't get open my mouth
you know my is real yeah i may not have deployed as many times as you
because my heart issues and the other issues that i won't talk about because
the news wants me to talk about this so bad they want to take some skills down
so bad
i ain't no like that whatever happened to still teams with me it happened to
seal teams
that's why i don't mention the names but i saw these little come out here
it was in the fraternity it happened in the fraternity leave it there
don't be a come out here spreading lies about me
but i studied all these little who try to come out and ruin my life
studied all of them that man what you must be going through is evil
and i even took it a step further i had to mature myself because i was so mad
and i looked at his family this guy who was talking this i'm going to say his
name so bad
but i never will because that's a move on my part
you can take food out of this his family's mouth
you're going to have this guy in a courthouse you can have him in the courtroom
spending money on lawyers
and i just dropped it i said i'm good i said who the i am
i said you can wake up every morning being the that you are
but i'm not going to take money out of your pocket and money out of your mouth
or out of your kid's
kid's mouth and this kid this guy wound up apologizing to he didn't apologize
to me
what happened was he got on and i don't want to go too deep because they'll
figure it out
but um he ended up basically saying he's he had a he just wasn't he wasn't
right in his head he was
he was you know he wasn't good and i can tell he wasn't good because he was
literally dming people
and i wish i had jennifer in here man so she can show you the dms he was demon
people and talking all
this and then he would delete it and this guy how how so so so jennifer found
it and so because this
guy dm jennifer it was like um hey can you do do you know this guy and i was
like yeah i know him
and then jim was like hey we gotta shut this down but he was dm and several
people just saying that
i was disarmed discharged i was kicked out of the seal teams i refused to go to
combat um he just went
on and on and on and so this guy was taking screenshots of what of what this
guy was saying
and sending them to us and so at this time now we have a lawyer and so we're
getting all this dude
and then he had a youtube site set up that he took down just trying to
literally ruin who i was
and i looked at all this and i studied them i was like man you got and what
came out later on was
he did have some demons he does have some demons of course he does serious
demons that's how insane
is that that the guy deployed with you seal team six and these motherfuckers
supposed to be bad
motherfuckers see this is this is some of the issues i had when i was in is
that when you work so hard
man i put these motherfuckers i could talk about last time i was on this on a
pedestal
half the reason i ran on broken legs half the reason why i became who i became
was because of the the image these guys had on me i was so impressed with the
books and the
fucking and the and the people that they were i was like my god man i gotta be
a god
i gotta be a god mentally to get in here and once i got in i discovered
something different i'm not
saying that i'm not saying everybody i'm not i don't know everybody in the seal
teams but i had a
problem with the fact that a lot of people lived this this like a lot of the
civilians like oh my god
the seals are this the seals are that you were able to run badwater 135 because
you're a navy seal
and because they like no motherfucker that ain't why and i always knew the
shit and i had issues with it man i had issues with it so i had a fucking i had
issues with it a lot of
people didn't like that and then i went on to go on recruiting for a little bit
and then the heart
surgeries happened so the more i was in recruiting the more i was that should
happen they just started
slowly building up lies slowly building up lies and i came out to i was i told
jennifer i and i knew it
i said stand by stand by it's coming whenever you're a person that gets
what other people think is attention that they think they deserve yes sir that's
when things get
weird oh yeah that's why i bring those deployments because they think oh my god
you didn't deploy as
much as me you deploy as much as me he wanted he's not known for being for for
deploying and
shit yeah motherfuckers don't care yeah i have a combat deployment and i
deployed another time
that we were supposed to it's right during 9 11 we're supposed to go and they
had us over in guam
we're all pissed off didn't work out that way but i got over there and what's
funny about it this is
this is what makes me laugh so much there's a lot of navy station never
deployed over combat ever ever
and it makes me laugh because motherfuckers want to act like one combat
deployment where i fought for my
fucking country is bullshit think about that far from my fucking country did my
shit sorry it worked out the way it worked out and that's that's a that's not
enough
i think part of the problem with some of those guys is when guys are seriously
alpha and they think
they go above and beyond and they push harder than anybody and then they meet
you
and you're the guy that's getting up at 3 30 in the morning yelling at them
while you're running
like i know you're sleeping i know you're still in bed i'm out here running 10
miles
before you eat breakfast that's half the reason i did it yeah that's half the
reason that my first
going to fucking halisco's and getting waffle breakfast and bacon and eggs and
that bothered
me i said i got my family and everybody thinking i'm some stud
and you all just gotta lift some weights y'all don't want to like i said i was
in charge of pt
and they're like no this ain't buzz goggins like man you got a lot of food this
ain't
everybody i don't know every seal i'll never seal but you want to run your
mouth about
me and talk your little i got my secrets too and i won't say names because only
your does that
so keep on running your mouth i know all you so you started taking over pt yeah
i was so when i got
back so i went on my first deployment and when i came back off my first
deployment i begged put seven
shits in seven chits it's like a request to go to ranger school my don't
request to go to ranger
school i wanted to go to ranger school as a seal you went through buds whatever
the you don't
want to go to another course to get your ass kicked i did i did so much ranger
school came back honor
man i was the enlisted honor man at ranger school but they say i'm a bad
operator they also say i'm a
bad operator but guess what they had my black ass when i was in iraq i was
tired it was called psd
okay so you're like a bodyguard i'm a bad operator joe but guess where i was i
was the lead navigator
so i'm the eyes so everything we did was in the car it was my job to make sure
that whole platoon
was safe okay you're not gonna put a dumb bad operator up there who's not good
it's my job to make sure i called all the outs called all the trouble coming
had to get us there
safe we had the guy who was going for the prime minister's job who we were
guarding and they had
a bad operator what they want to call me they want to hear these little rumors
i was the guy who led it
and it was so good i did such a good job that there was two of us because the
job's very stressful
being a primary navigator stressful so they have a primary and a secondary
so some days i would do some days another guy would do it i was doing such a
good job joe that they
didn't want the other guy to do it so i became the only guy navigating us
through Iraq
all right and our guy didn't live in the green zone the green zone is a safe
place
our guy lived in the red zone so we had to go out in the red zone every day to
get this guy
bring him back in no there was no shoot him up because this one one rumor that
was out there that
came out from this guy was i froze i froze in a firefight it's kind of funny
how you can freeze
in a firefight when our platoon was never in morning
so it's just it's just man but i know where it comes from i know where it comes
from crabs in a
bucket i know where it comes from my friend it's just crabs in a bucket that's
it sorry i sorry i
became so successful guys that's what it is people don't like it when you did
the same thing they did
you come from the same fraternity but you get exor exorbitant amounts of
attention and success oh yeah
and instead of looking at that and going wow look what he did that's amazing i
wish i did that or
maybe i could do more or he's inspiring other people and that's great you know
what though i will say
this there's a there's a lot of them that do say that that's great there's a
lot of them that do say
this i have this guy named hawk you know that that email i sent to you a while
ago about this guy
who wrote that email about the seal teams and i shared it with you about he's
talking about like
only 13 of you actually it's like anyway i said email yeah i remember so anyway
he's a guy that sent
that email hawk he's like my best friend so he uh bad when he when he got out
of the
seal teams he wrote this email and sent out to like every navy seal it was like
87 of you
motherfuckers he said 87 of you motherfuckers you know are are living off of
one week and what he was
talking about was hell week like that one week in hell week is all they're
living off of because
they're not living it now and he made these shirts called the 13 shirts and the
other 13
guys are actually getting after it i'm gonna sent me two of them
all right you sent me two of them so yeah they're right i wish i could deployed
more and blah blah
blah whatever and whatever man but i was i was a good seal and a good teammate
and some guys didn't like me in the fraternity we had it out and there's a time
somebody did some but it's what it is man you ever heard uh when people talk
about some union work
one of the things that happens when you're in some unions is like if you're
working too hard
someone will come along go hey david slow the down and make us look bad true
statement like you're
moving too many packages you're doing too much of this doing too much of that
you're setting the
standard too high and you're enough for everybody else and so you'll have
people that will sabotage
someone just because that person wants to work hard oh i see it but it made me
grow it made me grow and
i'm glad i didn't put a case on that guy and i'm glad i got a chance to study
him and it is what it
is man it is what it is and this is one part that i try to tell people and
teach them if you're trying
to go to that uncommon amongst the uncommon place it's a lonely up there man
it's lonely i'm not saying i'm better than every body i'm not saying that
and once again i'm not speaking for every seal i'm not but i just didn't i didn't
try to be
what they were what you're just saying is just a fact it's just a fact it's
just a fact and there
there's people that are willing to go very far and then there's people that are
willing to go far
further than that that's it and when your person who prides yourself on your
ability to go very far
and then someone is willing to go far farther than you you have to decide do i
want to look at that
as the new standard do you want to judge myself do i want to admire him or do i
want to try to take
him down because i feel bad yeah because i can't do what he does or haven't
done what he does or what
he does makes me look bad because i like to think i'm a hard worker right i
could think i'm disciplined
and hard and then i see this dude out there that's just making me look soft
right and so instead of
just going look at him man yeah right instead of a smart person will look at
that person as fuel
but you have to make your own decisions too because what you do requires a
dedication that will eliminate
a lot of things from your life that some people enjoy and think are important
dude and also when
you when i took the road because i knew what i was doing when you when you take
that road and you
don't want to just fit in it's a lonely road it's a lonely road and you get a
lot of haters man like
i tell people all the time man if i can walk on water would say it because i
couldn't swim
tell you that right the now yeah tell you that right now and and this is a true
statement i used
to get so mad like i said about this man but i sat back one day i was like you
know what
all these people are hating on me man like i have a guy who's trying to who's
trying to write a book
saying that i was telling people and he's a famous author like i didn't ever
drop names dude i'm not
trying to hurt your business but you're funny these people are funny keep on
talking your i will
absorb it and make a mixtape out of your ass like i do he tried to tell he was
going to write a book
that i was telling people to run into your kidneys got up that my mentality of
running is is i was
telling people i was telling people to run into your kidneys got up to run
until you get wrapped up run
until you get wrapped up that's he was gonna he's gonna write a book and the
premise was
the way i think compared the way he thinks i never told a in my life
i tell you to do better and go as far as you can i don't tell you to go until
you kill yourself
until you get rhabdo but i will tell you this joe you will never never in life
meet a hater doing better than you that's a fact ever so when i realized that
and jennifer gets so mad at the lies she hears and this and that because it
comes all through they
spew it yeah i told jennifer that man stop yeah if i can calm down bro don't
stop sending me that
shit 100 factual there's we were talking about in the bathroom earlier it was
like you got
a amount of bandwidth in your mind yep whatever that those units are it's
called a hundred a hundred of
those things in your mind the moment you start entertaining haters you start
reading comments
you're stealing your bandwidth 100 you could apply to your loved ones that you
could apply to the
thing that you love to do that you could apply to making your life better you're
stealing from
yourself when you pay attention like i was talking about man clearing that
space out yeah and that
space allows you to make more room for what's important in your life yeah if
your mind's still
cluttered man you can't do there's also a thing about you being a public person
being a public
person now you have access to way more haters than the average the average
person knows a few haters
maybe if you're a good-looking woman and you got some in the office
like to talk about you or if you're a guy who's like you know getting after it
early and yeah being
disciplined and you you you make people intimidated by your ambition right you're
gonna have some
haters you're gonna be people lying about you there's gonna be but you have no
idea no what it's
like to be a public person like yourself and the kind of haters that you must
experience because if
you paid attention to them all day long you would have no time for anything
else no i never get in
2013 when i was first you know jennifer knows about this i cussed everybody we
had this round
table everybody's like man you have such a great story you need to tell it you
need to get on social
media blah blah i cussed everybody out you i'm not going on that that that's a
bunch of bullshit lying lying it's the devil and the second i got on that dude
it is the devil
instagram and social media man i had this kid man who literally the reason i
talk about haters so much
is this little boy his parents reached out to me and he was getting so much
hate at school and we get
so many emails i can't check them all and but i get to him but later on much
like two or three months
later so this guy wrote us and this kid was having a hard time with bullies and
when i got to his email
i got to it called his family up said hey what's going on you know david goggers
they were all happy
to hear it he had killed himself so like i in the back of my mind and what hurt
me the most was when
i read the email it uh whoo i gotta get my together i wasn't gonna bring this
up
yeah i i i read the email and they said he can you know you can help our son
you know our son really
admires you and that's why i um i'm so i'm i'm i'm very vocal for a lot of
reasons
but i have to be strong because i know a lot of people aren't so you know that's
why i don't cower
from you know at all you want to you know i've i'll take on whatever whatever
challenges in front of me i take it on because a lot of people don't have that
that courage and it's hard to be brave it's hard to speak up for what you
believe in
and they they wrote this great email to me and they want me to talk to their
son son was a big
follower of mine and he uh so i called he's like yeah and it was a silent a
very silent um pause
and they told me what happened and um he hung himself and i was like it was up
so
you know that's why another reason i hate i hate being a public figure
because it's not a public figure that i am like it's funny um i hang around
some people who are
real public figures you know like celebrities and i have people coming to me
first like i'm some of
famous motherfuckers and people come to me first and and they want to share
their story in their life
with me about how they changed and that's a massive responsibility that people
don't understand like
um they come to you and they share the demons that they've gone through and the
hard the hardship
that they've gone through and um and they say you and your book and and what
you've done and your
social media page that's why i make sure i want to go at people so hard joe
sometimes man for talking
their to me man and lying and i make sure that my social media only has like
let's let's get it today
let's let's get it go man why don't you fall anybody man
i'm not into that dude i i i want you to understand dude
i'm your biggest for you who don't who aren't and whining and complaining i'm
your biggest cheerleader
i want to see you do great i want to see you do great and a lot of that comes
from
that email from that kid who killed himself that i got to like two or three
months too late
and that every day i wake up i'm like man i gotta be honest i gotta be right i
gotta be better
and that's that's when you know that when you're trying to do your best your
life sucks
and people don't get that when you're trying to have the best character when
you're trying not to
fucking lie you're trying not to put people down you're trying to live you're
trying to set the
standard when you're trying to be the standard and that standard is out you
know there's so much going
wrong and going off in this world that if people can focus on themselves being
better versus throwing hate
and all this that happens out there and people talking and running i said i won't
miss no names
i'm not trying to hurt you man but i'm trying to be the standard and sometimes
life is just not fun
when you're like can't do that can't say that gotta watch out for that yeah i
gotta wake up today
i gotta i gotta grind because there may be a out there that sees me in their
car that says
all right i'm gonna go home and be better today so all these things are my mind
every day i wake up every day and i you know so you know i try to get to emails
it's me and jennifer
and but yeah you know people this is crazy man people come to me tell me their
stories man it's
very humbling that this kid that came from nothing is now helping people who
you know like you know this is funny and people call me crazy a lot man you're
so crazy but what you do
now look at them straight in the eye and say man i'm not crazy i'm just not you
it's not who you are
who you want to be i have a responsibility man and i gotta take that seriously
well people like to
look at people that are pushing further than them and harder than them like
there's something wrong
with you yep you must be crazy i'd be crazy gotta be crazy i love crazy though
my favorite people are
crazy yes you know but i don't see that i don't look at that as a negative no i
look at it as a
strength it is i i see a person who's willing to go to that dark matter place i
go oh i like that oh yeah
i like that but you went there during sober october man you went there you went
there so how'd that feel
man when you were going into those journeys into those compartments well what i
like about it is
that you had to do it every day you know and so i just every day would you know
know what was coming
okay hey all right here we go time to get going and every day just get after it
in some crazy way one
of my favorite things is the thing that i hate the most it's airdyne sprints i
do those tabata
sprints on the airdyne machine oh the fucking echo bike yeah the echo bike from
rogue yeah 20
second sprints 10 second rest 27 you do cycles of eight so eight rounds of that
and then i would
do another one and another one another one i was doing an hour at that that's
fucking brutal bro so
hard but it was but when it was done i'm standing in a puddle i'm completely drenched
right but that
feeling of getting through this because the last cycles when you're doing like
and you look like
because the rogue bike will show you like you've done three which means you
have to you have to do five
more of these sprints uh-huh and that 10 seconds is non-existent you're like
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
and then tech is like right it's it's so quick and then you're back at it again
those last ones are so
hard but when you get through it the rest of the day is so much better that's
like fight training man
because the month of november all i've been doing is drinking really oh man i've
been working out
still working out but we're doing a lot of drinking and i'm like this i gotta
stop so i woke up today
because today's december 1st i'm like i'm not drinking this month i'll have a
glass of wine and
christmas or something like that right but this month i'm back to the grind are
you because yeah
yeah because i enjoyed october the suck it when it's over it's life is better
you just gotta get
through the suck that's right and then life is better but the thing that gets
me is the level of
i don't give a fuck and anxiety the less the the lack of anxiety that comes
after you work out every day
is so worth the workout you're so calm so calm the only thing that changes your
dna
is discipline yes discipline is the only thing that changes your dna man this
is the only thing
only thing man you could be so up and i realized that man i was like man the
only thing that changed
my dna is discipline it's the only thing i've incorporated a new thing that i
was telling you
where i get up first thing in the morning i get in the cold plunge because i
was doing the cold plunge
after i did the sauna and it's a little easier because the sauna sucks right
but you know when
that 20 minutes is up or 25 minutes is up and then you get in that cold the
cold sucks but it doesn't
suck as much as when you're cold and then you get in the cold so when i wake up
in the morning i don't
dress warm i wear my underwear and i go outside it's 40 degrees this morning
and i walk out and i lift the
lid on that morazgo cold plunge and i see the ice floating up in there and
every day i climb in that's
brutal and i just get in there for three minutes in the morning and then i work
out that's
well because i read this thing um i'll send it to you jamie but i read this
thing where uh they've been
doing studies on what happens to people angie huberman and i actually discussed
this and huberman's a
very interesting guy but um it's about the benefits of cold plunge before you
actually
work out really yeah because there's a benefit after you work out in terms of
reduction of inflammation
but what they're saying is you shouldn't do it right after you lift weights got
it because then
muscles yeah it actually it decreases the hypertrophy so you don't gain as much
mass or get as much strength
but there's some benefit to doing it before you work out i think there's a link
involved in that too
so anyway this is a guy uh who's talking about a prostate specific antigen
blood test came back
very high and everyone said that he had to get a biopsy and he said the story i've
heard about old
older men getting biopsies in prostatectomies sounded like nightmares to him so
he decided to try to manage
his psa with ketosis and ice baths so it worked his psa dropped from over seven
to less than one
and along the way a funny thing happened to his testosterone it went through
the roof to 1140
which is crazy high his he said my urologist didn't believe me he thought i
must be juicing
so he had my luteinizing hormones tested too sure enough 8.9 is off the charts
for a fat guy in his
50s he said then i did a research and discovered a japanese study from 1991
that showed the secret was
exercising after your ice bath it's the opposite of what everybody says to do
which is exactly how i got
this far in the first place he said now i'm stuck with the t levels of an
oversexed 19 year old
i'm not complaining damn but so this is the thing that um people are realizing
now there's some extreme
benefit to heavy duty sorry here's this extreme benefit to heavy duty cold
exposure right and then
you force your body to heat up and then you work out
there's so you know i'm trying that now and i've only done it three days in a
row how's it working
it's working it's hard but the the but part of it is just the the fact that you
have to do it in the
more like i'm not giving myself any mornings off so i have that's how i start
my day now whereas before
i was working out so the workout i ease myself into the workout get on the bike
warm up jump a little
rope start the kettlebell routine do all the things you got to do but now it's
just right into the suck
so it's it's harder i tell you right now man the cold being in cold water cold
ice water it literally
is the one thing that makes you question everything when you're going through
hard
training and shit like that like you know i've been to a lot of different
training in the military
and that cold water it definitely many dreams die while suffering
that should be a t-shirt many dreams die while suffering my friend so true i
talk about it man like
this this god's getting that water and you see their eyes roll back and i'm
like oh yeah many dreams
die while suffering friend yeah i was trying to talk to jamie about it jamie it's
cold
i'll do cold it's just like there's a level of cold i want to ease myself into
it i don't want
to just start in the worst that might be the best way to do it jamie yeah that's
what i've been telling
you just gotta jump in that i just i just couldn't go like below my knees yeah
man once that pecker
gets cold boy it's real i know yeah it's all real i go right up to the chin i
want that water right there
that's legit right there man if it's real legit you go under hicks and gracie
he puts a snorkel on
really yeah hickson gets in that water for a couple minutes under the water
with the snorkel on
he likes that shit huh six and hickson's an intense motherfucker speaking of
that
who's the best ever oh the best ever in mma ever in mma it's hard to say there's
a lot of
candidates you know i've always said mighty mouse is one of my best bets
because he was so goddamn
good and he's still so goddamn good now but now he's fighting in one fc but he
was a flyweight
champion for a long time and his he was the highest level of expression of
mixed martial
arts ability that i've ever seen but he's also fighting guys that are much
lighter they're 125
pounds you know everyone's very quick but he was just so skillful but then
there's john jones
john jones really never lost that's a nasty motherfucker he's a nasty
motherfucker and you
know really john jones fucked off you want to talk about a guy who just did it
by talent and will
john jones beat alexander gustafson without training it's only basically didn't
train there's a few
guys like that there's a guy named ryan span who's out there right now who just
fucked up dominic reyes
and dominic reyes was the one guy who took john jones to the limit dominic reyes
uh went on a series
of losses after that fight but he had this fight with john jones and took john
jones to the fucking limit
and a lot of people thought he won that decision then he went on after that
fight
got knocked out by john blachowicz who became the light heavyweight champion
got knocked out by yuri
prohaska and then just got lit up by ryan span and ryan span is this guy who's
always been ultra ultra
talented right but just was always afraid of running out of gas didn't train
didn't really put in camps
just had a lot of ability and a lot of technique right and his last fight he
fought dominic reyes and
he put in a full training camp for the first time ever and just fucked dominic
reyes up just lit him
up like a christmas tree in the first round and put him away so you're talking
about a guy who beat
you know in many people's eyes we should have won a decision against john jones
right and then ryan
span just takes him out in the first round easy quick because he finally worked
hard well there's
something about that full training camp man yes there's something about going
out no phone
yes up in the mountains away from civilization away from the bacon and eggs the
silk sheets
the five-star resorts the everybody knowing you signing autographs and
shit dark matter dude dark matter like a the further you drive out of your
house
and start going up in that mountain man you start to
that mind starts to click over man you get a full camp up in some dark matter
place
yeah it's over bro there's a reason why so many guys would go up to big bear
yeah that's where ganani golofkin used to go up there can't breathe in that mohammed
ali used to go to
the poconos ali or um tyson rather would go to the catskills a lot of guys
would do that a lot of evil
up in them mountains boring caskills it's also this nature oh yeah it's like
nature doesn't give a
about you and there's something at all you realize when you're running a
mountain and you know you see
eagles flying nobody gives a about you no one there's no press no one's
watching that's a beautiful
thing man that's when you really know who you are yeah when you get up there
there's no like the coach is
probably back a little bit you got your little run by yourself and you figure
out a lot you figure out
a lot man you start to figure out a lot of problems up there by yourself yeah
so this i don't to answer
your question i don't think there is a greatest ever because there's different
weight classes you're
right khabib definitely is in the conversation he's the only like a really
elite guy to retire undefeated
that's a nasty oh he was so good dude dude there's something about looking at
that
motherfucker like i love these guys who you can look in their eyes you can tell
something ain't
right hard as nails you can tell something's right something ain't right that's
in a good way something
ain't right the way when he fought conor mcgregor and they were booing him at
the weigh-ins and he
goes i'm gonna smash your boy you should play that interview put play that
interview because when i'm
talking to him and he they're all booing and she's like they're all conor mcgregor
fans they flew in from
ireland i mean this is a big fight and he's like i'm gonna smash your boy alhamdulillah
i'm gonna smash
your boy please
look at them booing him
what does this fight mean to you to defend your title tomorrow
it's so loud there that's why i'm screaming it's so loud first of all i want to
say alhamdulillah god
give me everything alhamdulillah i know you got this they don't like this alhamdulillah
tomorrow night
i'm gonna smash your boy guys i'm gonna smash your boy and i want to say thank
you all irish fans you
know all coins around the world because of you guys this fight is happening
thank you guys and
tomorrow night inshallah and still thank you sir good luck to you the champion
ladies and gentlemen
thank you all i'm gonna smash your boy jesus and that's what he did he was on
top of him pounding
them going let's talk now because connor he was saying it while during the
fight play that play that
he's on top of him in the face let's talk let's talk now beating the out of
um that's the next level let's talk now let's talk now and connor was like
we're talking let's talk now let's talk
let's talk now
oh my god
stop
connor's saying it's only business and khabib says you tired let's talk
jesus dude he brought that to another level man yeah well he used that as fuel
he took no
mental aid stations in that training camp no no no no he was a bad and then
when his father died he told his mother he was going to fight one more time and
that's it and so
he's in his prime still right now he's in his physical prime and he's like he
told his mom
he's done he's not coming back you don't think well his protege is islam makachev
who's now the new
ufc lightweight champion and islam is as good as him in that same realm i mean
it remains to be seen
whether or not islam can have a reign the way he did but he just beat charles
olivero as one of the
best ever and he just ran through him to win the title that's a bad dude too
man
olivera is a bad and olivera is an interesting case too because olivera used to
be kind of a
quitter yeah i know he kind of fell apart in many fights early in his career
and then he had the
birth of his daughter and then changed his entire life changed the way he
fought changed his
mentality changed his his discipline and his focus and then became this who's
just dominating
everybody olivera i believe he's 33. see find out if that's accurate so there's
some there's some old
fighters right now who are still kicking ass yes yan bohovich um uh glover to
shara just lost the light
heavyweight title at 42. he won it at 42 and then lost it to yuri brohovska in
a very very close fight
yeah he's 33. olivera is 33. you know what's funny about that man about us
these older guys who are still
fucking grinding hard people asked about father time yeah father time doesn't
get you man it's father
fatigue it's father fatigue man like i see these guys who have been in sports
for a long time fighting
the basketball football whatever it is yeah and it's that grind it's that every
day waking up grind it's
not it's it's not father time it's the fact that you know i gotta go do it
again yeah i gotta do it
again so a lot of these guys are fighting father fatigue and they're doing a
good job of doing it
i think there's many factors there's father fatigue there's father enthusiasm
that's right but then
there's also injuries there's so many of these guys are fighting with fucked up
backs and
fucked up knees and fucked up elbows and fucked up hands and you don't know
that when you see them
because they look jacked they look ripped right in their head they know i gotta
be careful if i move to
the side on my right side because my knees i know i gotta be careful if i get
kicked in the legs because
this is fucked that's real yeah and there's a lot of guys that also been they've
taken too many shots
and they can't take a punch anymore right that happens to guys and then you see
they get dinged once and
they get wobbly where so what the fuck happens with that man i started seeing
guys who've been
getting hit a lot yeah they can't take a hit anymore man like they'll go out
quick there's a lot of
speculation and um one of the things they say is that they believe that at a
certain point in time
your brain tries to protect you from the punishment and just shut off like that
your your your body
realizes like this dude is too strong mentally he's too tough and he'll just
absorb shots and it's just
ruining our brain so when you get hit your brain is like check please wow and
your brain will shut off
and then the other that's a optimistic perspective got it the other less
optimistic perspective is that
you're destroying your mind and that your mind is simply not resilient anymore
and you can't take a
shot anymore because you've damaged all the connective tissue that's holding
the brain in place
and you've also created so much cte and so much swelling and somebody that one
shot can take you out
there's also on top of that one of the big problems with mma is the weight
cutting so the weight cutting
is which what everybody does they drain themselves 24 hours before the fight
weigh in say oh he weighs 170
pounds like guys like kamaru usman who's giant for 170 he's 170 for like 20
minutes how much does he
weigh like walking around the street 200 pounds 200 pounds easy so does he come
back in the ring about 190 200 he's
in the 190s for sure damn lean as fuck shredded lean is a motherfucker but
dehydrated like hell to make 170
there's he's not ever really 170. wow he's 170 but like totally sucked up i
mean also cramping
you know it's terrible to do that 24 hours before you have a cage fight is so
crazy it's fucked up so
those take a toll so if you're 35 37 39 all these guys that have been doing
that their whole life
every time you cut that weight it takes a little chip off the old block every
time every time it
takes it's another chop into the tree trunk yeah it just weakens your
foundation and it's just little
minor things every training camp you go through you know can you do another one
you know your back is
fucked up you get out of bed like this like ah it's like little micro injuries
that are constantly
piling up you know we're talking about hicks and gracie earlier hickson can't
really even roll hard
anymore he's in the 60s and he's got these injuries all over his back it's all
up it's like all those
years of jiu-jitsu that gracie's just no joke though them that family they
changed the world
the world this little 160 pound man this little motherfucker you can't even see
him under some
of these fat motherfuckers just finger finger locking you out man i'm gonna get
you in a pinky
lock bro it's like where is he tapping from why is he tapping i can't even see
you know gracie
got my in a pinky lock
this was nasty dude they taught the world jiu-jitsu the world didn't know jiu-jitsu
is the only
martial art that people had ever experienced that did what was advertised right
and what was advertised
was that a small skillful person could beat a larger stronger opponent who didn't
know the techniques
he proved it he proved it boys gracie proved it in the ufc and he changed
martial arts forever and that
family's probably the most consequential the most important significant family
in the history of
martial arts the gracie family changed martial arts worldwide it's funny man
about you know there's so
many people out here who uh who are very successful and they talk about i mean
super money great family
ownership they talk about that that they're missing something that there's
something in their life that
they're missing and they and they talk to me about that and i mentioned the
gracies it seemed like they
they had this it went about money it went about nothing man they're like
grassroots
and that's what i always tell people that they're missing is that they're
missing that desire like
those guys had a passion and obsession that's the word obsession obsession yeah
and i guarantee you man
those motherfuckers don't have those conversations i feel like i'm missing
something right they're not
they're not missing dude no no they they they got it figured out man well hickson
in particular because
hickson was hoist's older brother who was everybody says is the greatest of all
time really from that era
yeah he was there's never been a time other than today there's a time right now
with gordon ryan
which is very rare it's very rare where someone comes along and everybody says
this is the baddest
motherfucker alive no if ands or questions about and back then when hickson was
in his prime right you
ask any black belt anywhere in the world they're like hickson's the man hickson
is the man he was a
yogi he had all this crazy breath work that he would do he figured out the
physical as well as the mental
far beyond where everybody else was willing to travel and there's a great
documentary people are
interested in hickson gracie called choke hickson's been on the podcast a
couple of times there's a
great documentary called choke that followed him when he was in his prime in
the 1990s competing in
japan and uh one of the things he does in that documentary he gets in a frozen
glacial river
and he just sits down he's meditating in this river up to his neck of this 30
degree water just washing
over him he's just beyond talent bro he's like thank you my lord thank you my
lord he's just
like just taking it all in it's beyond talent that's badass there's so much
involved there's talent
there's discipline there's the mind focus and there's also the brilliance of
his ability to
interpret and understand technique right there's so many things that's badass
and this is the case with
gordon ryan today who's arguably the greatest of all time and gordon is a lot
bigger than everybody
that was you know like hickson was at his prime was about 200 pounds gordon's
like 240 and you know
gordon is utilizing modern training methods and 365 days a year trains doesn't
take any days off this is
hickson in the frozen glacial river that's his brother hoyler who's also one of
the greats i mean
that that's that gracie family man never been a family like no never been a
family like in martial
arts you just have like never will be a army of killers that's it yeah i mean
oh there's look at
him yeah that's what he likes to do is to get under that water and he does that
with a cold plunge too
you know what's it's what's crazy that so many people would never understand
that kind of discipline
or that kind of that kind of human being that wants to go to the stratosphere
yeah they'll never
they'll always be misunderstood man always you can't even that's why a lot of
times when i talk to
people i can't i can't have a conversation with a lot of people man because you're
going to walk away
like why do you do it right why don't you just take a break yeah you deserve a
break that's it
david take a nap that's it did you ever have a piece of pie
why don't you put your feet up yeah why don't you rest a little do you think
one day you'll
get fat that's it you should let yourself get fat dude you're being funny as it's
the
truest of all statements yeah dude i don't do nearly as much as you and i get
it dude right i'm
like you you would never understand that's why we would never talk yeah you
never get it so that's
why i don't have this conversation with people man those are brutal
conversations with people that
like what i don't understand what your motivation is that's why what are you
chasing i haven't been
on a podcast in four years yes insecure where are you running from why are you
running from david where
are you going you know you get there faster in a car oh i get that a lot that's
the one i get a lot
i get that a lot and and they're joking i'm like and i don't find this funny
like you
motherfuckers man it's so dumb it's dumb as man whenever you're someone who's
that wild and that
far beyond where most people are willing to go you're gonna you're gonna run
into normies well
it's like motherfuckers going to the circuit breaker man and they go in there
and start rewiring their
brain they go in and say like like like that motherfucker right there with the
snorkel and
shit yeah oh no man i gotta put this over here yeah this circuit needs to be
there that needs to be
there it's totally rewiring how the whole brain works to not to not feel sorry
for yourself to ignore
pain to ignore discomfort to push your place you know to push your mind place
that people don't even
fucking want to talk about they can't fathom and it's what you talk about with
knowledge yep that's what
it is it's this is knowledge it's understanding of those feelings that's it and
the only way you
understand that those feelings are rare they don't come up all the time all day
long you wouldn't be
able to deal with them right so most people don't know what to do with those
feelings they're not
around them enough but you're around them constantly that's right hickson was
around them constantly
yeah it's like get in those and then you learn about them you get a map of the
territory that's it get
blueprint yeah and the second they surface when you're getting choked out i've
seen so many see
i love watching fights man because i i see them and i start to say okay you're
in a bad situation man
and i see a couple guys getting ready to tap yeah and that one second decision
i call it
they're thinking man i gotta tap like and and and and you see the hand motion
like i'm about to tap
and it goes somewhere else not today yeah because i've been here i've been here
before i can last maybe
this one more second and this one second may get me out of this and i see how
the how the mind is
evolving in that one moment that one quick moment i see that a million thoughts
went through their
mind and it didn't tap i'm gonna show you an example of that brian ortega
versus alexander volkanovski
alexander volkanovski almost gets tapped out volkanovski is the next guy to
fight islam makachev and
islam makachev is khabib's protege that's a bad boy alexander volkanovski is
the 145 pound champion
he's going up to 155 to try to fight makachev and win the title at that weight
so he fights this guy
brian ortega who is a student of uh huron and henner gracie got it so he's an
elite black belt and he
gets brian ortega gets volkanovski in this guillotine choke a mounted guillotine
choke which
is the nastiest ever and this guy is a strangulation expert and volkanovski is
stuck here he is
some volume give me some volume here oh my goodness mountain guillotine by ortega
he might go to sleep
here's his mind and he got out and he got out he was so close you hear paul paul
felder saying he might
go to sleep he's going back guillotine so he almost catches him here now in a
darse
and volkanovski winds up on top and when he gets on top he just starts hammering
up hammering them
i mean this fight is one of the best examples you want to watch this fight you
want to talk about
will and warrior spirit this is one of the best fights ever for both guys
because ortega like going
into the fourth round you're like how is this surviving and then he comes out
in the fifth round
guns guns blazing see both these guys just drained the gas tank in this fight
it was an amazing amazing
amazing fight now what he should have did after that he should have gone home
and wrote that out
because in that moment if he could even think about it the knowledge he gained
in that moment
priceless where what was happening when you almost tapped what was and i'm not
talking about this
surface conversation that's beautiful to me i i i study that so much you were
in a horrible situation
i know you were like i gotta tap i gotta tap i gotta tap but if you break that
down
really break it down to the smallest molecule possible your mind went through
so many things that
allowed you to not tap you gotta study that man that right there is so much
that's that's beautiful
yeah that's that that's beauty right there at work yeah at work it is because
for that man i mean
volkanovski he walked out of there with his belt with the victory the cheers
the roars the crowd goes back
home he did it it's amazing but he almost didn't i see he got to the door of
death see it's that one
second decision that one second decision i talk about this right here yes you
get there
and you want to quit and you don't yeah and you're not getting through it man
well that's the thing is
like your book can give people if even if they don't get a map of the territory
they're getting directions
right you want to go to i-95 that's right about 10 miles down when you see woodland
hills road take a
right you're giving them you might not be giving them a map because i think the
map has to be acquired
personally 100 but you're giving them directions that's it you're saying this
is how i got through
this is how i developed my map people want to hand it to them i can't hand it
to you you can't but you
can give them something oh yeah when i texted you i was in the middle of the
book i was like i could
run through a wall right now because that's what it feels like i love that
there's something
about the way you describe things and the way you're so honest and so personal
about it
especially the audio version of it and then when you do the podcast so the way
the audio the audio
is a special treat because it's the book and then with each individual chapter
you have a small
podcast where you and your co-writer break down what what what it was like for
you and what was
happening right and and what what you were feeling and what you and it allows
you to do it in an
unscripted way so you could really and you're so honest about it it just it
just gives you an
understanding of that you this discomfort is unavoidable right and then trying
to avoid discomfort
just brings you more discomfort right and you don't realize it it just brings
you this long-term
dull discomfort that's it as opposed to the searing pain of like mid-struggle
discomfort right which is
what everybody's trying to avoid every but you're still going to get discomfort
you're just going to
get this i could have should have would have been discomfort which is maybe
worse you're right it
might be worse it just makes it a little easier that's all that's all the repetitions
do man it's
not it doesn't take with the pain doesn't take with the suffering no you just
studied it you know it
you know how it feels yeah you know when to breathe when not to breathe you
know all these different
things you've been there you visited you've you you've lived there for a long
period of time and that's
why i like this book so much is because ken hurt me was like a bachelor's
degree it was like the
surface level of david goggins and some things that can help you out this to me
is a master's degree
this book right here takes you to another level of of the mind and how you
think that's why i say this
ain't no self-help book this is a what the are you doing with your life book
yeah and that's why
that's so important what are you doing with your life man why are you sitting
around why are you waiting
for shit to happen it could happen like that why are you feeling sorry for
yourself why are you waiting
for that fucking apology that's never going to fucking come people sit around
waiting and waiting
and waiting and waiting and blaming and blaming and they're waiting with a
handout yeah covet
happened and everybody's hands out now hands out and you see how it changed
sort of the tone of the
country it did and it made people feel entitled like someone deserved they
deserve something yep
that's right you don't deserve shit you'll deserve shit and that's the one
thing that i knew and i found
out the worst part if they give you you're going to be even more miserable oh
that's a true statement
isn't it the true state it's a true state everybody wants the government to
come along and help them
it's true statement someone to come along and give you things i should get
things you should redistribute
wealth you're not gonna be happy no you're not you got to go get it no you're
gonna always wonder
wow i have all this fucking money why do i feel like i said i feel like i'm
missing something right
because you didn't go out and achieve it on your own it's like a man who
inherited money that's it
they're always missing something big time there's something wrong with them
someone gift wrapped you
some shit yeah and now you're just a now you're like a half a man that's it you
look like a man
but you're like one of them easter bunny candy things you know those those
chocolate easter bunnies that's
it you're like you try to bite into it that's the fucked them shits up now
three hondo yeah
well i loved them when they were solid when you got a solid oh yeah a lot more
calories a lot more
snacks than that yeah there's a solid easter bunny but when you bite into one
and just just destroy oh
up your teeth this is a hollow one yes sir yeah a lot of people are hollow easter
bunnies a lot of people
are hollow inside too yeah but you don't have to be no this is the beautiful
thing of your story is that
you started out fucked up and sad and couldn't do anything and you transformed
yourself so people
don't think like this guy's just always been hard from the cradle to the grave
like you you you turned
yourself into this which is the real that's the that's the story that gives
people hope you can
truly develop otherworldly discipline right it's possible to develop otherworldly
mental strength
well we change everything we change our car we change our house sometimes we
change our wife or husband
we change the underwear we change everything in our lives change our hair
change how we look change
everything but very few of us change how we think and that's the one problem
with with a lot of people
they're not willing to change how they think you're not going to evolve if you
continue thinking the
same way so a lot of people have a problem with that so i'm always trying to
evolve in some way
i'm never wearing the same underwear every day always changing that never
finished it's
out right now ladies and gentlemen i can't recommend it enough it's a fantastic
book
as good if not better than can't hurt me you're the man brother appreciate you
very much thank you joe
all right bye everybody
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