The Problem with Ferrari Enthusiasts w/Matt Farah | Joe Rogan

Ferrari is 100% Duchberg. They take themselves very seriously. It's really hard to not be a Duchberg in a Ferrari, but although I did see a really interesting one that this guy built in England, where he took a Dino, and he put a 400 plus horsepower modern Ferrari engine in it, and put like a clear glass over the engine bay, and everything you could take off and bring the car back to stock. It was almost the sort of singerization of a Dino. So the Dino is one of the prettiest Ferraris ever, right? Beautiful car. But if you've ever driven one, they sound great, but they're just slowest dog shit. Yeah. I mean, they're the V6s. It's the smallest engine Ferrari ever made. What did you know the website for the guy that did it, or the YouTube channel? I think the guy, I think his name was David Lee, and he built it. See if you can find... He claimed it was an F40 engine, which I don't think was entirely accurate. I lied. I think he exaggerated a little bit. I think it's an engine from like a 360 that has been modified in certain ways. Because an F40 has more than 400 horsepower. Well, it also had turbos, and it's not like you just wouldn't use an F40 engine for that. It would be like using something that's very valuable and not really replaceable for purposes of modification doesn't make much sense. When other options are available that could deliver you the same result. Like a 360, what did a 360 have when it came with the Modena? Like 400 horsepower. Yeah, like around 400. And the Dino's gotta be like, what is it? Oh, the Dino was like... Like 2500 pounds? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. They're tiny. They're tiny, and they're made of nothing. I mean, 2500's maybe a good number. They're little. It looks so wild. Yeah, and I've heard that car. That car lives here. Really? Yeah, that car lives in Los Angeles. No way. The black one, yeah, yeah, it lives here. Have you seen it? I've seen it at car shows, yeah. It's a $1 million car. It is an ass. It's weird because you actually have to... Yes, it probably is. A half a million dollars would be a very low estimate for that car. So like 700,000. Maybe. A really good original Dino is happening. There it is. So it's actually... That's not the car, because the car has a hardtop or is it a target? It's a target. It's a target. Look how pretty it is. It's better with the roof off, isn't it? Look at that picture with the back end of it right there. Yeah, man. Click on that. So what's so interesting about the car is... It's almost like a Corvette. It's actually hard to tell it apart from a regular Dino if you don't know what you're looking for. The things to look for, obviously that badge on the left that says like Evo something. And then the clear engine cover with the big bubble in the middle of the engine bonnet has changed. Yeah, by the way, that badge can go fuck itself. The badge doesn't need to be there. Yeah, the badge doesn't need to be there. Get that off of there. The exhaust is a little bigger. I like the exhaust. I like the exhaust. That's fine. I wish they had some grip to the tires. Those are some skinny ass, bitch ass tires. Well, look how narrow... I mean, you're talking about a car that without widening the body, there's only so much you can do. I imagine a modern rubber compound. What they did was they reproduced the Dino's, I think they're Campagnolo wheels, which were probably like 15s on the Dino. And I think they're of 17s here. So pretty. That, you want to talk expensive. Yeah, David Lee, the Monza 3.6 Evo Dino. So 3.6, that's what tells me it's a 360 engine. Yeah, 3.6. Yeah, if it was a F40 engine, it'd be a 2.8 liter engine. Oh, with turbos. With turbos. God, that's a pretty car. By the way, if it had an F40 engine, it'd be a fucking death trap. Right? You would sail that thing right off a cliff. With 400 horsepower, it's got to be crazy fast. Yeah, but you know what? It's going to be linear, right? Without the turbo spool, you have that natural build of power and you really kind of can just use less throttle. It won't just jump out at you. Yeah. But I mean, you are a man of taste, Joe. That's awesome. It's a beautiful ride. Look at that thing. They're selling them. They're trying to build. Yeah, they're trying to build a run of them. Oh, God. I think they're. Like a singer. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the problem with doing this with Ferraris though. Ferrari people, even if you did something to the level of singer, Ferrari people aren't really like that. Ferrari people are originality over everything. That's so weird. I don't understand. They don't like they don't like modifying the cars. They don't like a car that's previously been modified. It's all about the numbers matching shit. No, it's not for you. No, no, it's not really for me either. I love driving the Ferraris, but like I don't align with like that. The Ferrari fan really values so much, but I'd like to own one soon. I mean, 80s one was a little silly. Like a testarossa. I've driven testarossa. They're fun. Yeah. Dana White has a testarossa. He had it completely redone. He's like, fuck you. We put a new interior and a modern stereo, everything. It's probably nice. They need a lot of maintenance though. They have testarossas have timing belts. See timing belts are something that Italians were doing for a long time and that people, they should just never be done again. Sounds terrible. They wear out and they need to be changed. And in the case of the testarossa, you're talking about a giant flat 12 engine. They're in the front. So they're up against the firewall behind the seats. So you have to take off the whole back of the car and take the whole engine out of the car to do these timing belts. Oh yeah. Starting with the modern stuff, they use chains. They brought that into the 21st century and they don't have to fucking fuck with belts anymore. Jesus Christ. But even like Lamborghini at the time, like I have a Countach, which is the best car ever made and you don't have to do that bullshit because even Lamborghini use chains. So you don't need to do the engine out. Why did Ferrari go with belts? I think they thought it was smoother. Enzo Ferrari also had utter contempt for the people who bought his streetcars and I wouldn't be surprised if he did it just so the dealers would make more money on the services, even if he knew it was worse. Why did he have so much contempt for the people about his cars? Enzo Ferrari just wanted to go racing. All he remember, he was an ego maniac and all he ever wanted to do was see his cars win races and he came to a point where he couldn't make money doing that and he had to sell streetcars to customers, but throughout his entire life, he openly treated those people with disdain. That's how you win. That's the story of Lamborghini. The story of Lamborghini is Ferruccio Lamborghini had a Ferrari. It was not working for one reason or another. He went to Ferrari to complain about it. Enzo basically told him to go fuck himself and so he said, I'll build a better car. And that's the story of Lamborghini. And what are they owned by now? Lamborghinis owned by Audi? Lamborghinis is his Volkswagen Audi group. Yeah, VAG. So they're more reliable now. Yes, but so are Ferraris. Around 2010-ish, when the 458 came out, Ferraris took a massive jump in reliability. How did they do that? First off, the big one is the dual clutch gearbox, which, you know, stick shifts were one thing, right? And then these early single clutch paddle shift gearbox, they'd fry clutches like crazy. People didn't really know how to use them, right? And they'd ride the clutches out and they would just go through clutches like crazy. The dual clutch cars have much more like fail safe type stuff built into them and they actually work properly. But Ferrari used to have that gated shifter. Oh, it's the best. One of the coolest things ever. The best. Clinkety clink. It's the best. Sliding into gears. There's nothing more rewarding than like banging a Ferrari off the river. So why did they stop that? People stopped. The problem with Ferraris is that they're new, you know, with the problem with all new exotic, the first owners of exotic cars is they want that new technology that's from racing and also it's like, it's improved the drivability. You know, if you want to buy a Ferrari or a Lamborghini and drive it around in the city and use it as like a car, you can buy a Ferrari right now and it could just be your car. Like that wasn't a thing you could do really in the 70s or 80s or even 90s. Like you could literally use a modern exotic car, be it Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Audi, whatever. That could be your only car now. And that the gearbox technology is a lot of what's made that possible and computer controlled like engine management systems. God, though, it's a little disappointing. One thing I'm really happy that Porsche hasn't done that, but they have with the GT3 RS. A GT3 RS. This last year and now the new ones. What do you mean? The automatic all automatic while the RS though, the RS is in Porsche speak is the fastest version of what they can build. They have the GT3 touring with a stick. That's the one you want. You want the touring? Why do I want the touring? Because it's a fucking stick because the four liter engine with a stat six speed gearbox is the best engine transmission combination available in cars today. Period.