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Sean Carroll is a cosmologist and physics professor specializing in dark energy and general relativity. He is a research professor in the Department of Physics at the California Institute of Technology. His new book "Something Deeply Hidden" is now available and also look for “Sean Carroll’s Mindscape" podcast available on Spotify.
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The J.Rogan experience. Do you think that there is there a style of film or a kind of movie that you want to do that you haven't done yet that you're thinking you'd like to get into? I mean there's two different projects I tried to develop for a long time and they both failed to get off the ground. One was this movie called The Broad Street Bullies and it was about the 1974 Philadelphia Flyers and the movie is the true story is so insane that you can't believe it's real just the way that they decided you know they're a fledgling team nobody cared so they basically built a team of tough guys you know which is kind of like slap shots almost like the same. Won the Stanley Cup twice based on just being so scared so and so terrorizing other teams would be scared to play them and they'd be like oh you get the Philly flu because major players would be like I'm too sick to play when we get to Philly because and you go back and you watch the fights that took place during those seasons they literally go into the crowd and they're fighting with fans they come off the ice they break up I mean when the guys are fighting it's not and it doesn't seem like good-natured like okay we're gonna go we're gonna go it seems like gripping someone's hair and punching them in the face till their teeth are all gone type fighting cops are breaking up the fights on the ice. Cops. Cops. With skates? No uniformed policemen come onto the ice and start breaking things up. Right but they're sliding around with their. Yeah trying to. Their regular shoes. It's all on YouTube it's amazing I mean I researched this for years and and then they just you know and Bobby Clark at that time was like the most hated man in hockey I don't know if you're a hockey fan at all but he was just like another one of those guys who was here I don't know I could go on forever for a movie that didn't make but but I kept trying to make it go and go and just could it just never you could just never and I was in went to Philadelphia knows it hanging out with the team and I was in their archives and having access to everything I left this is gonna happen and just couldn't it wouldn't move why why not I don't know I don't know if the team and the team owners want to glorify that time in the in if there's an amazing documentary on it that was on HBO maybe like five years ago you gotta watch it what's do you remember the name it might have been called broad street bullies because it was you know the spectrum was on broad street so that's a good thing but it's nuts and it was like you know the Dave Schultz he's wearing like a Nazi helmet he was the tough guy on the team that ever was petrified of and these guys are like had really long hair and big beards I mean does not like hockey not like a maniac and they'd get stuff like you know you see him get stitches get hit get stitched go back on the ice with the stitches there's jerseys covered in blood and they don't even change their jersey they're playing covered in blood it's such a crazy something they never do now well the sport still to this day is such a throwback because it's the only sport we are allowed to fight in the middle of the sport I imagine if they had that with basketball hockey players are the toughest motherfuckers because I always love hockey I want to be a hockey player when I was a little kid and that was my thing and for a long time me and my wife we had season tickets for the king so we'd go to every single game year after year after year and we'd always hang out with the team and they'd come to our house and then party and we'd always be with them in Vegas and they're like football players on skates and they're all for like these guys from like Moose Jaw Saskatchewan and like they get their teeth out and they get crazy in the bar and they're like mental and they're just like who else is skating at 90 miles an hour crashing into boards yeah that are just have no give but it's so interesting that that's the one sport where it's written in that you can fight they fight I mean it's so funny it's so crazy like that would make so many sports so much more interesting but nobody would ever do it yeah it's literally the tough guy sport it is the tough guy sport and the thing that was drove me crazy like drove me crazy like it involves me but they would always advertise the LA Kings as like it's like this family thing like oh come on down and cheer for the Kings and it'd be like a girl in a hockey jersey on the billboards around town like you should just put up mugshot style portraits of the players like smiling with their teeth missing and it just says you think you're fucking tough right Kings because yeah and then it's not like the old days where they're kind of like skillful they're like this guy's like six foot five and you put them on skates and they're huge and they you know they they're all jacked up and big like football players except they're on skates that's gonna be a hard sell for a lot of people but no but what's not a hard sell is MMA which is weird right because that's like the darling of so many you go to the fights and Matt Damon will be there and Leonardo DiCaprio and everybody wants to be seen there and Kanye's in the crowd and it's one of those things where people have decided like that's okay meanwhile they're yeah mashing their faces open with elbows on the ground mental man heads trapped in the cage and they're pummeling each other and it's okay and you watch it they break it up like I'm pretty sure that guy's already got brain damage you need to stop that punching yeah seconds earlier well it's it's okay though because it's become except like like that's what I'm saying it's weird like a fight in a basketball game is a giant deal like oh my god I shoved another guy and it's like this is crazy yeah if a guy you know like judo tossed a guy and landed on his head somebody did that recently in a hockey game was awful like Robin Black did a breakdown of it where some guy got a guy in a clinch and hit him with a hip toss and slammed his head onto the concrete is horrible it's weird well I mean I can see why they they want I think they probably like hockey being more family friendly because the arenas are so nice you bring the kids and they don't want a bunch of maniacs beating the shit out of each other but they can still fight they can still fight but it is watch this this is crazy boom oh that's bad that's horrible that's an asshole move because like that's not even fighting like and plus that guy landed with both of their weights guys on his head he's out cold I mean that's like serious serious fucking brain yeah I remember one time one particular incident of Kings game where the guy was out and it went on forever and the vibe was so heavy in the arena cuz why is he dead because you know we you know when someone hits and they just stop moving that way it freaks you out you pull up some broad street bullies fighting from 1974 pull up some of that yeah I've seen Dave Schultz oh that's this thing yeah this is the documentary it's amazing oh look at the way they look back there everything it's like back in the day it's just such a weird thing to see people from that era I hear that yeah they don't this is like early days before they became insane oh so it built up because what happened was when they were starting as a team they got really manhandled one time by a certain team and they were like this is never gonna happen again and they rebuilt the team would basically like thug type guys I'm always amazing anybody could punch while they're on skates and that's I can't skate how the fuck do you maintain your I don't know these guys are amazing athletes I one time I went I went down and got to skate at practice with the LA Kings with the guys were injured and man that rink seems small when those big guys all get on their ice it's like wow there's no room up here but it's also they collide into each other against the wall which the amount of shock on your body I know it's amazing that I mean they just go and go and go the day she reignite some interest with this conversation because I think that would be it what is pulling these fucking hair yeah it wasn't like it was it's amazing so have you tried again recently I try really think that this is like they just don't want to be connected to this story well there's this guy Ed Snyder who was the guy who started the whole team and that's where and I met with I thought he was the reason it wasn't gonna happen and then he passed away because I mean he's pretty old and then we started talking to the newer people and it just I don't know you like how many years my life I got addicted you know right right and someone said to me one time well you got further than anyone else ever did I'm like how many times are they trying to make this movie I need you warn me about that five years ago is there any other kind of movie that you're you're interested in other than something like that well yeah there was this other one that I worked on for a long time that never went either I had bought the rights to this book called raised eyebrows which was a light that about the last few years of Groucho Marx's life this guy Steve Stolio wrote it and he was a 19 year old college kid who started this petition drive do you like the Marx Brothers love yeah and because animal crackers had been lost that was the lost film and it used I think was at UCLA sorry Steve I can't remember your college he started this petition drive to get animal crackers released from the vaults and released because it hadn't been seen since like the 40s or something and he did this was in this this was in the early 70s and through that he became Groucho's assistant but Groucho's final years are really dark because he kept having strokes and he was ill and he had this woman Erin Fleming who was supposed to be they kind of played it like it was his girlfriend but she was sort of a caretaker and it was turns into Sunset Boulevard inside his house you know and Steve eventually is put in charge of Groucho because the it's a really dark sunset Boulevard also because Groucho was being abused and drugged by this woman she isolated from his family and it's like happening in this Beverly Hills home and it's just dark it was dark towards the end for Groucho and but the book is fascinating because the guy wrote it Steve who's you know still alive and were friends I was just like it was one of those books you read in like five seconds and I just happened to find it by accident like this is an amazing movie but again years and years go on trying to get a man just can't get it going Groucho was such a controversial character and one of the greatest lines ever and you bet your life he's talking to this guy and he's asked the guy like you married yes how many kids you got a cigar line yeah guy says he got a gang of kids and he goes geez he goes he goes oh I love my wife because I love my cigar too but I take it out of my mouth every now and then yeah that is that was a hugely controversial line yeah he's was amazing and he was like and he was very eyebrows yeah there it is he was very outspoken he was like on Nixon's shit list and stuff and my years inside Groucho's house yeah it's really fast if you get that book you'll read it in like two seconds that's it's always sad when some iconic old figure like is being taken care of as he's older and you know he's getting fucked over and someone's waiting for him to die so they can get the money yeah and she kept kind of doing like we're gonna make you come back Groucho and we're gonna do us TV specials gonna be you know like you and Frank Sinatra and Groucho's like you know had on his like third stroke and it's like can't really talk or you know it's just like and a couple of the final appearances of him are pretty rough because he was pretty sharp and good even when he was older we've watched my dick Cavett or something but then it got bad and then how did this lady get into his life she was uh I think she was a secretary at first and just kind of weasels her way in I can't remember exactly I should I should be able to remember I read the book so much there's so many stories like that of like oh I think there was a Stan Lee story like that in his last few days that happens a lot yeah people were trying to get his money I remember remember that Martha Ray yes that was like the thing towards the end with her like he was like oh and her boyfriend and she's like this in a wheelchair oh that's right yeah weird shit yeah oh yeah that is sad shit and their kids are done with them and so someone else is taken care of well they're so old their kids have all died of old age you know and this was like you know so you wanted to do that film yeah what happened that it just big it just couldn't get it going we thought we'd every time it seemed like we were on the move it just would stall and then I had a falling out with the producers and I was like you know five years spent with this I'm out oh my god the dream at time yeah that's the thing like for every movie I've ever gotten made there's probably five others that I tried to get made that couldn't get made so it's a real time suck yeah that's that's a fucking huge drag man