Joe Rogan & Roseanne on Outrage Culture

Said I have mental health issues and you know, I said also I thought that one was white and it wasn't anything about race It was about Iran and it was like well We'll see how this washes out That's what he's been Sherman. Yeah, we'll see how this washes out And then 20 minutes later one to Sykes tweeted let me off this show And then Sarah Gilbert tweeted shortly thereafter something about she was ashamed of one cast member and With that one blew me away and and Michael Fishman tweeted he was ashamed of my racism or some shit and that was hard to take but It was because it was so it seemed orchestrated because they used the same words, you know egregious Unforgivable, but in fact, it might have been offensive and like when I was talking to Mike today I said, you know, we all say things that are racially insensitive at times. All of us do that. I'm a Jew I've heard everything and You know or ethnically offensive to somebody but that doesn't mean we're the KKK, okay that doesn't mean we're you know Fascists or you know and especially if we apologize because most people who are offensive They mean to be offensive and they don't apologize and I think that's when you know There's a difference and if you don't have the discretion to understand that something's wrong with you right, I think something's wrong with people that they're so hateful and so unforgiving and if you Don't vote the way they think you should vote that they feel justified in being so what's the words so sanctimonious and self-righteous and when they themselves are You know kind of saying far more offensive things about people's children and such for instance I think people are just cowards and I think when things like this happen They want to separate themselves from controversy and make sure that they're not a part of the I can understand that I can kind of understand it, but I don't get it I don't know that's what they do, you know, and you know, I'm like wow They also get really really upset when a few years later. Somebody does the exact same thing to them Yeah, go what goes around comes around and that's true and especially true in Hollywood The guy that fired me just was fired a couple weeks ago for what I don't know his contract wasn't renewed Hmm and his last words were well, I didn't know I'd be forced to cancel our number one show It wasn't forced to do anything. Well, he might have been forced. They're all fools They should just first of all, they should have let the dust settle Second of all, they should have examined what you actually said and what your intentions were and let you apologize Yeah, and then have a conversation with you on one of their shows in long form You mean a teaching moment such as not Valerie Jarrett would have accepted that yeah I said I would like to debate her on the Iran deal and explain what I what I said Well, that's not necessary. I mean what? Americans should know about that deal. Well, maybe they should but I don't think that's completely related to your tweet But it would have been a teachable moment Maybe but it also would have been a distraction from what you were trying to say. Well, they didn't let me say it, right? and You know, but to get involved like openly politically I know that's dangerous, but Taylor Swift just did it Now what did she say just get out and vote but it was really for the Democrat Yeah, but that wasn't that like it's almost abstract get out and vote, you know, she's no she said vote for the Democrat I don't like the Republican Marsha Blackburn. She didn't like her Although Marsha Blackburn has been the author of a lot of great anti-rape laws and all kinds of stuff like that But she didn't like her because she's a Republican. So she took a stand a political stand I guess, you know, some people can do it Yeah, but some people can't and the political stand I took which I just want to remind people Is that I'm I'm an independent That's my stance And I just thought both sides had gone too far out and need to talk to each other so I came back and did a show about that That's the stance you took with your show. Yeah and in my life It's like if we can't even discuss things that's really really bad. I'm sure that's not American We we discuss and debate we don't label and Blacklist we certainly can talk things and maybe that's something you could have done Once they had a conversation with you about your tweet But I mean, I just think that what they did was just very hasty and very foolhardy and they should have known who you were Beforehand they should have known about your mental health issues. They should know they should have known about medication issues I know those things they knew but this is what my point was if you have a person with a broken leg and they can't Run and you get mad at them because they can't run Doesn't that ridiculous? Well, if you have a person that has brain issues and then they do something that's erratic and you're mad at them for that Well, you're a fucking idiot that's stupid and you you call them a racist or a chastised them in front of the world so that you remove any possible Any any possible negative Opinions that could be cast your way. I mean, that's what a lot of it is. It's deflection. They're worried about Negative opinions and negative feedback that's gonna come their way. So they immediately turn on you they turn on you in a disproportionate way Well, they did cancel the show before even one advertiser had pulled out It reminds me of Sarah Silverman's bet. I'm for against it. Remember that I'm for against it. Yeah Well, there's a lot of cowardice going on There's a lot of people trying to save their jobs and people pan it because people are aware of the outrage culture that we live This is an outraged nation right now. It's it's one of our number one forms of recreation people love it They love getting mad at whoever the fuck it is as long as you react the way they want you to react Oh, they love it. It's an inquisition well, it's it's the Understanding that people have way more power to affect change whether it's good change or bad change They're pushing buttons with social media and with outrage and with their ability to express themselves It's unprecedented. There's never been a time like this in history. No where people say lam The witch trial. Yeah, right. Well those I Mean, it's like okay. Well if you swam that proves you're a witch and then we have to drown you There's no it's no It has so there has to be a loser there has to be two winners well there has to be an understanding of what's happening here and then people have to have an Understanding of the power that they're wielding and what they're doing and that it could turn back on them And it doesn't ever just stop at one person. That's why I said I'm surprised that a lot more comics didn't defend me because you know, this means that anything they find in your Timeline that they think is offensive. They can miss characterize and bring a whole Battle against you that you can't possibly win and take your life's work. Well, how many did defend you? Um Nobody defended me Well, I did you did. Thank you Stan. Hope did Stan. Hope did. Yeah There's a man that we're working with. No, none of them that worked with you Well everybody that worked you wanted to keep their job. Yeah, and I don't blame them. I Don't blame them. They probably you know needed the money and probably already spent it The other thing to the sitcom life that that fucking schedule is ruthless It's good, but you know what? I think it was a lot of it was You know, I gave him the gun to shoot me. I mean, yes, I wasn't a helpless victim. Although I think My explanation either makes sense or doesn't make sense. But well if you're compassionate it makes sense Yeah, but a lot of people aren't but um You know, I forgot what I was I don't even know if they're not compassionate Roseanne. I think they're scared I think they're just chicken shit I don't think they're looking at it from in terms of like I can't win here and I can't lose here Let me just look at what's right. See I didn't have anything to win or lose So what I looked at it I looked at you as someone that I admire Some that I think is one of the best comics ever who I think I know that you have mental health issues I knew from talking to you that you were on Ambien and I knew you had alcohol as well I know what that does my mom took Ambien She woke up in the middle of the night and drew all over the she had a bathroom rug Drew over it with lipstick and and and and nail polish. She said like a little kid So she woke up in the morning. She had no idea. She did it. She's terrified of that shit. She won't take it now Yeah, I have many friends many friends that have had bad experiences on Ambien I have too and I thought well, they shouldn't have shut down that conversation like that. They shouldn't have it's a fucking dangerous drug To for the wrong people in the wrong situations, especially when you mix it with alcohol I mean, it's beneficial to people that need sleep in certain situations. I don't recommend it I don't take it but some people like it. That's fine but to ignore what the actual Pharmacological effect on the human body is is ridiculous because there's studies on this shit and that people understand the interaction between Chemicals and the human brain and they're erratic and especially when you mix them with things you're not supposed to mix them with weird shit happens Sweet I thought it was gonna I thought I was gonna expand on it in the morning and you know talk about that movie and Too late. Yeah. Yeah, what could it was too late? But the whole thing is just fucking crazy you when when well, they told me not to tweet. Yeah. Well, it's probably a good idea but now Honestly, the problem also with Twitter's fucking text is just too it's too simple Yeah, it's too crude a way of communicating. It really is you can get across some ideas like you can say Hey, I went to see little foots a great movie. That's a good thing to tweet Yeah, real simple shit like that but we want to talk about like political things or things that involve nuance or Things that are complex. I just don't think it's the way to communicate. I don't either anymore. No, it's terrible way to communicate Yeah, you know and I thought it's not communicate. It's like what did he say? Search and destroy well for some folks. Yeah people There's gonna be people that always want to make things crash and burn. They like it They like you like it like hitting the buttons. They like to see people suffer. Well, they definitely are suffering themselves Look, there's a giant percentage of our population that lives in misery I know they do all day long and they they have mental health issues. They're exhausted. They're depressed They're they have despair. They're overwhelmed with bills. They're in shitty relationships They're overwhelmed and they're angry and they look at someone like you a rich white lady and like fuck that bitch And they just want to attack you and it doesn't have to make sense because it's a reflection of their own personal pain as much As it's a reflection of their irresponsibility with this power that they're wielding through social media And then there's the mob mentality. There's a bunch of people that are already going after you good I'm gonna go after it too. I'm gonna show the world that I'm not racist Do you know how I'm gonna do that? I'm gonna shit all over this racist this racist Roseanne They don't care if you're really racist